Don Daniels, Commercial Pilots and UFOs

Welcome to UFO Link Tank Craigier with your host Alejandrolrokan. Hello everybody, and thank you for joining me once again. We're you of both in Tank Radio. We have a special Didty the special show. I guess this special Diddy would be a little song and maybe I'll sing you one if we have some time later today. But this is a interview actually that we're doing today and

it's something I have drug out of my archives. I was looking through my files and I found this interview I did probably around five years ago, and that was prior to me using blog talk here, so it's not in the archives, and it ought to be because it's pretty interesting stuff. And it is with a gentleman, a friend of mine from Colorado named Don Daniels. He actually was with c SETI for quite some time. I don't think he is now, he might be. I know he likes to still organize UFO

watching outings in the lovely mountains of Colorado away from the lights. But he's a commercial airline pilot. And he also helped doctor Stephen Greer with a disclosure project. And this was a project where doctor Greer had put together an executive briefing with lots of witnesses that were in the military or in the private sector, such as for FA officials, things like this. Very credible people,

many many of them. And then they put together an executive summary that was a few pages in which you can get the website for the Disclosure Project, good stuff, and then they took that to many people in Washington, d C. And this all culminated in May of two thousand and one a press

conference at the Washington, d C. Press Club. And not only did Don Daniels help with that, but immediately after this big press conference where everybody got excited, they then held an event at the University of Colorado in Boulder, Colorado, in one of their large lecture halls, which seized a lot of people, and it was packed, says Don Daniels. It was standing room only. People are pouring out of the door. People are trying to

get in there to hear all about what doctor Greer had talked about. And there were some interesting things that resulted from that, and we'll talk to Don about that, including that his sanity was put into question and he was grounded as a pilot for a period of time, and related to his involvement there, but we talked about that and how he had to go through some steps. Luckily it wasn't too traumatic for him to get his pilot's license back and

the fly again. And also he then talks about how, you know, it's difficult for other commercial pilots to talk about UFOs and his whole experience that way. So it's a good interview. It is a while ago. The technology wasn't as good. Actually, I used to use this mini disc player recorder and a microphone attached to it, and mini disc is actually a really good technology. I mean, that thing sounded great, so I think it's not what you're used to. There's some static, but it sounds pretty good

and it's a lot of fun. It's a good interview, so I think you guys are really gonna like it. That's why I'm playing it for you, and I want to put it on the record, so it's in the archives here, so I'm not kidding. You guys are gonna like this.

So I think he even talked about his sightings as a pilot and stuff, but some and plus you know, as far as this Boulder story goes, with the weird stuff that happened, I don't know if people know about it, let alone that this guy's experience is, you know, talking and being interested in the UFO is putting his job in jeopardy as a commercial airline pilot. I don't think any of you are too surprised about that. But luckily he stuck with it and fought it out and was only grounded for a short

period of time, why until he could get himself reinstated. So it's an exciting story, trust me. So that's coming up here and just a little bit. But before that, of course, we talked about the news, UFO news. What are the stories out? There is a move On symposium last weekend, so there were going to be some announcements from the move On Symposium and announcement of some degree of importance, and it is pretty cool, especially for UFO researchers. Some of you know of lend String build, and

I know we've had at least a couple people. I think Kevin Randall talked about him when I had him on the show, and I believe that there were others as well. In fact, I've got a story on a new book right and these people actually talked about it too. So where is that story. But anyways, we'll get there a researcher who's researching Aztec and things like that. So Leonard Stringfeld, he was a researcher back in the day. He used to do a lot of his research for or release it all

in Moufon symposiums and in MoveOn symposium proceedings. And he was really investigating UFO crashes in the seventies, so a long time ago. And he had a lot of contact insiders with military because he was in the military himself. He was talking with FBI and CIA agents and the likes, so we will see. And he worked with Jay Allen Heinek, who was the blue Book you know, Air Force guy astronomer. And so the story is that his files

have been lost or they have not been made available to the public. And Moufon was able to acquire now his files, which include all of his official

correspondence to us all of these different groups. So this is really cool where UFO people, especially those who are interested in string builds work, and it is because what MoveOn is going to do is categorize these document these They really got to go through all these files, like they say, to decide what we really have here, and then all of this as they get through it will be made available to the public to look through. And not only that.

As people are going through them, you know, some stories will arise, such as there's some speculation right now about what's in there, such as, you know, were the FBI and CIA or others in the government interfering with his work? Did Donald Rumsfeld and Gerald Bord get briefed by Jalen Hannock. I don't know, these are some of the rumors that some of the stuff that might be in there, But I think there's gonna be some really interesting stuff in there that we'll be able to look up. Yeah. Linn

Stringfield was definitely a very interesting fellow. He says that one of the things that he saw what really got him involved was when he was an intelligence officer in the Army Air Force in nineteen forty five, so this is before I think it was really the Air Force. Air Force. He saw a teardrop shaped object from his three of them from his starboard window. They were brilliant white, like burning magnesium. This is a direct quote, and closing in

on a parallel course to their Sea forty six. Suddenly our left engine feathered and I was later to learn that magnetic navigation instrument needles went wild As the Sea forty six lost altitude. With oil spurting from the troubled engine, the pilot sounded an alert, crew and passengers were told to prepare for a ditch. I do not recall my thoughts or actions during the next flurifying moments, but my last glimpse of the three bogies placed them at about twenty degrees above

the level of our transport, flying in the same type formation. They faded into a cloud bank. Instantly, our craft's engines revved up and we picked up altitude and flew a steady course to land safely in Ewa Jima. So quite a harrowing experience. So it is no wonder that he got very involved with this topic and made it a big part of his life's work. So these files got approved to be very interesting, But that was the big news

from the move On symposium. The couple that I was mentioning earlier are Suzanne and Scott Ramsey. There is a people I was trying to think of who have written a book on the Aztec alleged UFO crash from nineteen forty seven and In fact, I've had the Ramseys on my show. I think I had Scott by himself and then Suzanne and Scott on together in the last few years, and they have been working on this book for a long long time. But this book has just recently come out, and I mention it now just

because it's kind of neat the lake. Norman Citizen is in the Carolina has wrote a story about these guys in their UFO interests and their books and things like that, so that was kind of cool. The book, by the way, is called Aztec Incident Recovery at Heart Canyon, So if you want to check that out. From what I've read, I haven't gotten the book yet, but I definitely will because I'm interested to see what they found out.

But from the reviews, I have not heard that there's extremely compelling information. However, that there is a lot of well done research here to really find. I mean, you'll get the details of the ins and outs around this alleged crash, if not a smoking gun that it actually occurred, but some good research is what I hear. So excited about that. Otherwise, what's making big news or what is making big news? And we talked about this last week was the blimp or I'm sorry, the UFO seen over the

during their opening ceremony. And yes, it has been confirmed that it was a blimp. In fact, Lee Spiegel, who wrote the story that made a big fur r on the internet, also followed it up because he talked with Goodyear, and Goodyear sent him some images where you can tell that the video with the very similar to the blimp. On these different images that Goodyear provided for him of the blimp at the Olympics. Some people have said, well, it doesn't say Goodyear on the side, and he found out that

Goodyear is helping NBC doing some filming with their blimp. That's why they're there. However, they are not an official sponsor of the Olympics. Less they had to cover up the Goodyear name, which they've done so with a large blue sticker of some sort that looks just kind of like a blue stripe on the side of the blimp and the rest is kind of silvery, So that is what gives it kind of this domed appearance that people are seeing, and

that is mystifying the public and really getting them so excited. They're all worked up in a frenzy and then it turns out to be a blimp. Some of you last week we're probably saying, Alejandro, you told us that was a blimp last week and we thought you are a debunking son of a gun. And I'm sorry, but you know, I've been in this for a while and like they say, you know, most of UFOs are something mundane, and that's what happened here. It was just a blimp, people,

But that's okay. So because there are other really good cases, that's what we want to focus on, the truly mysterious, because that's where the meat this subject lies. That's where we're going to make some medway people. So and there are a lot of great cases out there. So, but this was just a plimp. Moving on, Canadian papers are still covering the story

that came out. We talked about it last week about a Canadian UFO survey that talked about how there are have been a lot of sightings in Canada lately, and the newspapers are still writing about this, which is kind of exciting. In fact, Calgary, a new newspaper out there wrote about how Calgary was ranked in number two out of all the cities with sightings. They talked about how across the country. Almost a thousand sightings were filed in twenty eleven,

so that's very interesting. MoveOn does take sightings for them. You know what I'm gonna do, hopefully i'll remember to do this, is look to see how many sightings Mofon has gotten in Canada. I'll bet you it's been about the same Moufon gets, you know, something about like five hundred sightings

a month reported to them, and some of those are in Canada. So I'll look that up because I'm sure there were getting quite a few in Canada from Moufon too, So they're really excited about all the sightings out there. A moufon interesting stuff. One of the sidings that happened out in Maryland wasn't really exciting. I voiced my frustration about this deal before and I will again.

But the Air Force was slepping across the country a few months ago this drone that looks like a UFO, and there were a couple of people that said, hey, you know, there's a UFO on the back of this truck. And they were calling in and there's a big story about that. People were getting excited. Then in Maryland recently they were driving this thing around again and there was no big deal. They were the media tried to capitalize on the stories from earlier and they were saying, oh, UFO, people

are freaking out because they no, No, people weren't freaking out. People knew this was not a UFO, but they still made a big deal out of it. So of course they got to continue to make a big deal out of it. This week there were photos of that craft released by it's actually a Navy I'm sorry, it's a Navy drone, and they did kind of a promotional thing where they showed it flying. It's an unmanned drone.

It's a pretty big thing. It's it's cool looking. It does look like some kind of saucer or something, and they put it out for show and people got a lot of pictures. The press went there and got a lot of pictures of this thing, and so this week we've seen a lot of pictures and Wired wrote the Navy's Unmanned Autonomous UFO kind of a misuse of the

term UFO because it's certainly not unidentified, it is identified. But Wired really not doing us any favors by misusing the term UFO and trying to make it seem like this thing is, you know, what was mistaken for UFOs and it may have about it, and I can't because that's my right. Quit making goofy stories about stuff like this and let's let's pay attention to the real thing, not blimps and drones people. Okay, Moving on to Australia.

There are people that have said that my attempted English accent sounds more Australian, and perhaps it does. I am not of English nor Australian decent, and it's a terrible I do. I don't do a very good job. I'm sorry. I'll stop that. But more exciting about Australia is that they have

released some of their UFO's files recently. The National Archives of Australia have put out some files, people calling them their ex files, and there have been a few stories there of some sightings, including a sighting that was seen by a dairy farmer in nineteen eighty three. It was also seen by a constable who was in a different location who said that it was his opinion that this aircraft was not normal, and a bunch of other interesting sightings. However,

and this story I'm referring to is from the Sydney Morning Herald. They also and the sighting kind of in there that has gotten the most news is a couple of aircraft apt that were almost scrambled on a UFO. These were a couple Mirage jets also in nineteen eighty three in June that were about to be scrambled for an object that was being caught on radar moving between eleven hundred and sixty five hundred kilometers per hour at a very high altitude, somewhere between seventy

to one hundred and fifty nautical miles north of Sydney. So it was caught on radar at the Mascot Airports and some jets were put on alert at the Williamtown raf Royal Air Force Base, so they weren't scrambled, And actually there was further investigation done and it was concluded that they were due to interference something

called running rabbits. I hadn't heard of that. Maybe some of you radar experts out there haves, so that it was some sort of radar glitch that happened there and there wasn't actually a UFO, but they did say that they spent sixty six point five days of overtime and one hundred thousand kilometers of travel in a staff car to investigate this thing, and they had to they really just I guess the point here is they did a lot of investigation to figure

out what this thing is. So if this one turned out to be a mistake, I think the interesting question is have they spent this much time investigating other radar anomalies that were not mistakes, because we certainly have heard in the Royal Air Force and the United States Air Force cases where they did pursue objects that did not turn out to be just radar mistakes, but that the pilots had reported were anomalous objects that sped off at high rates of speed. So

hopefully they'll release some more files. These files were only released, it says, because their classification status had expired, where they have an expiration an expiry date out there, and once the file's been classified for a certain period of time, they need to release it. Interesting, very very interesting. I told you a little bit about an open Mind story last week on a gentleman

named Dick French, and this is an ex Air Force official. He was actually in He was a lieutenant colonel in the Air Force who says that he knows that in Roswell there wasn't just one crash that occurred. There were two objects that crashed. He says that the first one was shot down by an experimental US airplane that was flying out of White Sands, New Mexico. It was shot with an electronic pulse type weapon that disabled and took away all controls

of the UFO, and that's why it crashed. According to Dick French, here so an interesting story. He says. You know that he was in charge of debunking blue book stories at the Air Force had told him, Okay, we want you to investigate some UFO stories back in the fifties. However, we want you to explain them away. Tell people how these UFOs were not really UFOs. He says he's familiar with the bunking and how the Air Force wanted to make sure people didn't think that real UFOs were UFOs. However,

there is some doubt placed on the stories. For instance, John Alexander said that there was no chance, zero chance that this was true. That John Alexander had actually worked on Paul's power weapons and that we didn't have those in the eighties. Until the eighties certainly not in the forties. And actually, you know there you can watch the Open Minds. This is again a Least Spiegel story on the Huffington Post in the Weird News. He just posted

it today, so you'll be able to go check it out. Open Minds, however, posted the video with an interview with this gentleman last week, and I was particularly concerned about the Colonel Corso comments he made set he knew Colonel Corso, who was a colonel uh in the Army who says that he had been involved with the been given the responsibility to deal with objects that were supposedly recovered from the Roswell craft, and that he then gave them to various

companies to develop technologies. And this Dick French is like, oh, yeah, I knew Colonel Corso and I remember the bodies in the spaceship he got and they were all taken to wrap, right Patterson, Well, that doesn't really jive with what Colonel Course is saying, so there are some problems there.

You know. One of the things that Antonio Junea said, who was really the first person to interview him, was that he also has some reservations about the claims and I talked to Antonio last weekend actually, and he said, yeah, he's worried to some of these statements kind of are are not consistent, and he totally Spiegel of the Huffington Post pretty much what he told

me. He said because of his age, his memory isn't as good as it used to me, it's fairly clear to me that he's well read on the subject of UFOs, or he might have heard stories or talk to people. So I'm trying to separate exactly what he lived and saw directly from what he heard and read. And if you see this interview from Open Minds, you'll see exactly what he's talking about because he's kind of talking about UFOs and

stuff, and it's hard to determine. Okay, are you saying that this is what you suspect is the case or is this what you know is the case because this is something you saw and were a part of while you were in the Air Force. And that is still a little vague. But it sounds like this guy was part of something interesting. So hopefully there'll be some more interviews with him and we'll be able to determine exactly what was going on

there. Very interesting story and some more exciting news and that it's another retired Air Force lieutenant colonel in this case who's talking about UFOs and knowing about UFOs in the Air Force, and that they did take them serious even though they tried to debunk them to the public. Very interesting. So check out the Huffington Post Weird News. Final UFO story. Really here is some UFOs spotted the chrome off the Chromers coast in England and this is a bright white and

blue light were spotted off shore out there. And this is a story that ran in the DP twenty four. But just some more stories about UFOs out in the UK. This is in North Norfolk. Happened on Saturday night, so their media is still covering this stuff. And just a couple of small things Brooklyn. I don't know that any anybody reported any UFOs in Brooklyn, but the fire department said there was a and they've got a video of it.

It looks like so it's a pretty cool video of this transformer exploding off the coast. And let's see, it was on a barge, so the transformer fire on a barge, so it exploded and lit up the sky. And there's some video of just this super bright light flashing over in near Manhattan, and that's where people could see it from West Manhattan, so they're saying, hey, don't worry, that was at the UFO. That was just

transformer blowing up. And then of course the big news is the Curiosity Loo Mars Lander, which is landed out there, this big robot up there on Mars and it's going to be looking for life, which is really exciting, although it's unfortunate. And who did we have on We had a scientist on recently who said, what we need is a microscope on one of these babies to be able to tell if something's really life, but they don't put Michael.

They haven't put a microscope on this robot either, which is unfortunate, but that they do have other devices to look for other signs of life, so we'll see what they find. So so that's that people. That is the UFO News. Of course, you can go to UFO DailyNews dot com a's ufodailynews dot com and read some of these stories, and of course you'll want to click on the UFO newsfeed to see all of these stories because that's my Twitter feed where you're going to see it all and then if you want

to be twittered, then join the Twitter. If not, go to the site and look at it and you can read the stories there. If not, just listen to the show and I'll tell you all about the stories your whatever, whatever you want to do. You know, word knows. I can't make you people do anything. No, but thank you all so very much for listening to the show. We've had a we always have a good increase in listeners over time. There's just more and more and more. And

we were featured on iTunes lately. And if you are new to the show because you were brought here by iTunes, welcome. We are very happy to have you. But now let's listen to this interview from about five op five years ago with Don Daniels, an exclusive interview that was retrieved from my archives. And I think some really interesting behind the scenes with the disclosure project and commercial airlines that you just haven't heard before. Hello, it's allanra Robas with

UFO, Think Tank and dam here with Don Daniels. He is the local c SETI representative and as that local to Denver or Colorado, Colorado. Basically, okay, most of the activities right here in the Denver, Boulder, Colorado Springs area. He was the first speaker at my UFO think tank discussion group, and mainly because Disclosure Project especially has been such an important thing to me, And funny enough, Disclosure Project is really what launched me into all

of my research and my involvement with the community. And you were the first speaker at Colorado moufon and when they had their museum area in Littleton, Okay. So you were the first speaker I got to see out of the Colorado moofon. So that was really cool too, because serendipitous even to see that there was also local c Setti things going on. But to start off, let's go ahead and talk about your background, what you do, your career, things like that. Well, I was born on this planet. To

the best of my knowledge, my interest in UFOs started pretty early. The earliest definite recollections come from about sixth grade, mostly daydreaming when I had a really boring teacher. But I was also consuming books at that time. Even that early. As I progressed out of high school and into college, I was working towards career as a pilot. And there's some conflicts there. You know, you can't be interested in UFOs and be a pilot. For some

reason, there's a lot of ridicule factor there. So I still had a lot of interest, but I kind of had to put it on the back burners. I got my career going. After I finally got on with an airline, had some time there, built up some seniority. Then I started looking for a way to do some research again. I looked at several different

organizations and trying to find one that really fit. And doctor doctor Stephen Geer was coming through town and I went down to his lecture and then just about an hour, many many things that I was trying to put together for years just suddenly clicked. All the reasons, the why I just suddenly made sense,

and I said, this guy's onto something. So I worked real hard to shift my schedule around trade a trip and I told my flight manager there was a seminar I really wanted to go to, and he gave me a trip drop and then I managed to pick up a different one, but I

didn't tell him what the seminar was about. It was the Ambassadors of the Universe training down in Crestone in nineteen ninety nine, and that was the first time I went out with doctor Greer in the field, and you know, I was scurrying to study all the pre study materials and everything, and I was on a steep learning curve. I got down to Crestone and very first night out in the field, we had this thing come streaking in down in the southwest. It looked kind of like a meteor, but just not quite.

It just was more of an energy streak than a point of light with a tail behind it. And then it stopped instantly and was just instantly this large blue white point of light out in the sky. We really don't know how far away. It's hard to judge a bright light night sky with no other reference, but we're guessing anywhere from two to twenty miles away out over the sand Louis Valley. And doctor Reer picked up his laser pointer and went

flash flash and the object flashed back flash flash matched his pattern. That's so it's cool being a pilot. That's kind of like flashing near landing light of somebody else and they see you they flash back. It's kind of like saying hi, I see you, and they say I see you too, and you know that you're watching each other. Well, we basically said hi, and they said hi. So then somebody else stayed with a million cattle power

spotlight and they flashed back. And then the next thing we were supposed to try and do was was reach out mentally and try and see if we could remote view the craft or you know, make mental contact of some form and see the occupants or or telepathically reach them. And as we were just starting to do that, this pale blue white spotlight came down out of the craft

and made like a thirty foot circle in our group. The scan line went down through it, and then the beam shortened back up, sucked back into the craft. It was really weird. It got shorter. It didn't just shut off like a light beam like you'd expected. It got shorter. And you know, I looked at that and I said, cool, we've just been scanned. That was my very first night in the field with doctor Breer. And you know, I asked you, does has happened all the time?

They said, no, that's a little exceptional. But that was quite the way to start my research career. Was that the first time you had ever seen something strange in the sky. Oh, I'd seen some strange things, some things that I couldn't necessarily identify, but I had never seen anything that I could say was definitely not of our, at least conventional technology. This the way it came streaking in and stopped instantly and interacted with us was

definitely something different. So yeah, that's the first time I could say that it was definitely not of our at least our acknowledged technology. And even if it was the covert military technology, which has the best of my knowledge, those kind of capabilities, I don't think they would have stopped and flashlights and

been friendly and said high in that same way. I think they would have been trying to avoid detection as far as I you know, I've done an awful lot of thinking about it, and the logical explanation makes the most sense. What did you find out about c SETY. What does the agram stand for? What are they doing? What are their goals and objectives? C SETI stands for the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence, as opposed to

SETI, which is the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. They're still looking and a lot of the sea SETI work is ambassadors to the universe type, training people to to be ready to interact with extraterrestrials if they should visit to to provide an interface between US and them. There's no government ambassador school for extraterrestrial countries. I mean there's a school for ambassadors for various other countries, but no

ambassador acknowledge. Yeah, there's no no acknowledged ambassador to the universe and the government and so doctor Career just started his own and a lot of it is spiritual and meditation, remote viewing techniques and a variety of things like that. But it's the object is to go out and try and make peaceful contact and serve as a peaceful citizen ambassadors or diplomats. When did you become the Colorado representative? Oh gosh, Actually, as far as the official representative, it's

more the Disclosure project and the Disclosure Project rep for the state. And then I have a working group here which as far as I know, is the only working group in Colorado, a c sety working group that goes out during the warmer months. We try and get out once or twice a month, depending on my schedule, and spend an evening out in the in the foothills

here in a nice secluded area. We've got located and do our contact protocols, which include some ways that we have found to attract attention from what appears to be extra trest through craft. How would how am I get involved? Well, they could contact me. They could go through the c sety website and look for work their way down through the menus for for local groups working in groups. My email address and I think the phone number in there.

You could also write me Don Daniels at pecanet dot com. That's p E e K A N E T dot com and I can put you on my mailing list let you know when when we're headed out for a field evening. I wanted to talk real quick on a pilot ridicule factor. So when people know about there's a lot of joking among pilots about the subject. Well now, actually there's very little discussion at all. Everybody's afraid to talk about it because if you do talk about it, you kind of get branded as crazy

and your career can be in jeopardy. Now, I've probably pushed the envelope just a little bit a few years back to try and improve that situation. About the time we were doing the Disclosure Project conference in Washington, d C. May Night, the two thousand and one, which you can watch on the Disclosure Project website. You can download the entire video of the conference and

watch the whole two hour thing. But I was also talking to a bunch of the pilots I was playing with the time, and I found that if I broached the subject and you know, kind of let them know, it was a no thread environment to talk about it, that a lot of them, probably fifty percent or so, had had some kind of a UFO siding, and many of them had had very close range sightings where they could see, you know, under five hundred feet where they could see structure in detail,

very high quality sightings. But nobody wanted to talk about it, you know, unless I brought it up first. In June, let's see, what was it. Late June or early July of two thousand and one, we had a the first the inaugural Disclosure Project roadshow presentation of the Disclosure Project

video up at UC Boulder. It turned out to be the only venue we could find that was affordable on short notice, and we put together a presentation at the Chemistry Auditorium at UC Boulder and showed the Disclosure Project video and the auditorium holds about five hundred people. We've probably had eight hundred people in the room and we had to turn several hundred away because we just physically couldn't get

him in the doors. And I've had room before. Yep. Well we had it overfilled, and I was I was worried about the fire marshal. But yeah, that's why I've heard from pretty much anybody who knew about it that was local showed up and just we're thlown away. Yeah, but we could not get a single news media there. Talked to the local papers, the TV stations. It was like hex hex, I don't want to have anything to do with that, and the reporters were scared to death to even

cover it. We got one little mention in the newspaper. Our big break was what's the guy's name? He was a football player that had a drivetime talk radio show. Sure I can't I don't think of it a minute, but anyway, he had a radio show and one of the people in my group knew him and got us on the on the air of the day before our presentation, and that went out. I think I think his audience was about half a million people, and wow, so that really put us over

the top on the on the show. The next day, as we were setting up for the two o'clock show, we were moving books and stuff in about noon and people were already lined up deep, and we just totally overpacked the auditorium. Presented the video, doctor Greer spoke and it was it was

interesting. I didn't realize till later that this was the same campus where about roughly forty years earlier, doctor Condon had kind of dismissed the whole Project Blue Book and said there's nothing to it and shut down the Air Force involvement. Basically, Yeah, and that was a whitewash, but that's a whole nother story. Anyway, we we went back to the same campus, overfilled the biggest auditorium on the campus, and said, oh, yes, there is

there's something to it, and totally blew him out of the water. So it was kind of historic in a way, accidental but historic. All Right, we have to take a flight pause, but go ahead. Okay, Well, where I was leading with this steal on the presentation up and Boulder. As we were showing the video, there was a pretty classic man in black in the back of the room that went running up to the projection booth and was beating on the door and demanding to be let in and and saying

we can't show that, And of course we showed it. And a couple of weeks later, I got this phone call from the from my chief pilot telling me I had been removed from pay from my next trip with pay, which is played for ground, and that I had to go see the company doctor before I flew again, and he gave me a little bit of a clue of what I had to defend myself against. But I kind of also got the impression that the word came back around from our corporate headquarters, not

from the local flight office. So I got the impression that it was some psychological warfare or disinformation types that were trying to trash my career or at least harass me. So I had to go and talk to the company doctor and proved I was saying. So I now have the dubious distinction of being one

of the certified saying pilots on the property. But then just a couple of weeks after that, I did a presentation for Interface Boulder, which is a group of mental health professionals and clergy that get together for a breakfast meeting once a month, And so here I am talking about the implications of extraterrestrial contact to a bunch of mental health professionals, just weeks after I'd had my own sanity checked by my airline. No intimidation factor there, but yeah, there

is. The ridicule factor is used even to this day to keep people quiet about the subject, especially pilots. Were you expecting or prepared for any type of retaliation or problems because of your involvement. Oh, I knew that I was pushing the boundaries a little bit there as far as what the company would be comfortable with, But in a way I was trying to blaze a little bit of a trail for other pilots too, and for a lot of people.

I'm sure just that little incident would have been a big scare and possibly could have got them to shut up from there on out. Well, it was a bit of a scare. I mean I didn't know exactly, you know, whether the doctor was going to be open minded or whether he and the company had an agenda and they were going to do their best to find me incompetent, which could cause me to lose my pilot's licenses and my ability to fly anything. I mean, your career is literally on the line.

So fortunately the doctor was open minded. And it was interesting because somebody had told him about this blue spotlight, and he asked me several other things, and you know, he wanted to make sure that I wasn't a threat to my passengers or anything, and he was comfortable with that. And as he's signed in the paper saying I'm fine, he says, oh, by the way, what's this about this blue spotlight? And I said, well, sir, that event actually happened. Here's letters from a couple of the scientists

that were in our group that observed it. I've got some more letters coming. And I said the illogical thing to do would be to deny it. And he kind of looked at me, and he looked at the letter and it was signed by one of the scientists that was in the group, and he says, well, I'd argue with that, finished signing the letter and sent me upstairs to the chief pilot's office. I wonder if that was an eye opener for that person. Oh, I imagine it might have been.

But there's a lot going on as far as being the Disclosure Project representative. What all does that and tail what other types of events or well, primarily the focal point for Disclosure Project activities within the state, which that was the primary one. We haven't had much of anything real recently. We're hoping to do a Disclosure Round two, but it takes a lot of money to bring the witnesses together, rent the conference halls, the National Press Club, whatever.

I think. We spent about fifty thousand dollars on Disclosure Project one, which came out of a lot of people's back pockets, including mine. We just donated, you know, some people five thousand dollars, some people twenty thousand dollars or so to fund the project, to pay for the transportation and rooms and everything for the witnesses, and rent the rooms for the presentations and stuff. It's expensive. We got shut down pretty effectively in the media.

We pretty much proved that the media is not free like you'd hope it would

be. We actually got a lot better coverage around the world than we did here in the US, and the media experts tell us now that approximately two billion people, or one third of the world's population, have seen the story on the Disclosure project May nine, two thousand and one press conference in one form or another, whether it was print or radio or TV or something, but it's hardly known here in the United States when I ran a class.

First of all, what was shocking to me is I ran a class a year after it happened, which was shocking to me because I paid attention to at least the television staff and lightly I wasn't big into researching, but at least I was paying attention to the latest developments. And that's obviously a very large latest development. So that showed me first of all that the media was

hiding it, that they wouldn't give us the greatest pieces of evidence. And so next I took that paperwork, I took videos, I took I just spread it to everybody that I knew and likely. I met Jordan Peace Okay fairly recently, and he got me a lot more material to hand out and give to people, which was a lot of help. And he was talking about how interesting it was to shuffle around these witnesses to different authorities who wanted to hear from them. Did you get to be involved with some of that?

Oh? Yeah. Right after the press conference, we headed for Capitol Hill and press conference was I think it was on a Tuesday, maybe it was Wednesday. And the next two days we were visiting congressmen and senators' offices, talking primarily with staff, occasionally with the actual senators of as we were getting appointments during the day, that the schedules kind of became a floating target.

But and the teams were kind of shuffling a little bit. But the first day my team leader was Danny Shean, who's constitutional law attorney, and he represented Karen Silkwood in the yeah, the silk Wood case. I'm trying to think of the was it kirr McGee or the nuclear plant anyway where she got contaminated. He represented the New York He was part of the team on the New York Times Pentagon Papers Defense and so between meetings with congressmen and stuff,

we were talking constitutional law and privacies and freedoms and stuff. That was a pretty interesting day. And as we headed into one of my representatives office later in the day, about thirty feet from the door, Daan, he says, well, this is your representative, you lead this one, and I'm going huh. His timing was perfect because it was just time enough to

get over the shock and not time enough to get scared. But I basically made the presentation to this representative staff members and introduced the witnesses and they told their stories, and you know, for two days we did that solid and got a lot of good response. Actually, the guards at the entrance to the Heart Senate office building, it's kind of like an airport. They got the magnetometers and the baggage screeners and all that stuff. And when we came

in the second day, we're in our disclosure project badges. The guards were cheering us on and saying, yeah, go for it, and really giving us the high five as we went through security there, which was kind of cool. But then after spending like two hours in one representatives office with witnesses, and we had three staffers they all had different areas of expertise and the questions and stuff. It spent almost two hours with them, I get this

condescending little letter back thank you for interest in XYZ. If it ever shows up on the floor, I'll remember you were interested. I'm going no, no, no, no no, I didn't just write you a little email about some off the while subject. I briefed your people with witnesses and facts and evidence, and you send me this. We were like a cosmic hot potato. They were just passing us around Washington, d C. You know, go see so and so he's on such and such a committee, and

nobody wanted to touch the subject. Nobody would have had the courage to take the lead. So I found two things during that week. One the press isn't free and two are representatives don't represent us. They represent who has the money and the donations for him, the press and the representatives having bought both. Daniel Sheehan, I've got one of his presentations, and yeah, I

find him pretty fascinating. Fascinating also, and one of his the legal basis he's going off of is that these projects to create these reverse engineer or to recover craft are unconstitutional by nature, so that they're oaths to keep these projects secrets. Don't hold any ground. Has he gotten any has anybody fought that. Nobody's given us a hard time about that. To the best of my

knowledge, none of the witnesses have been harassed. I probably got it worse than most anybody as far as the harassment at work, But once that was cleared up, it was in a way. It was kind of interesting because I actually even had asked the chief pilot after it was all over, I said, well, does this mean I can continue to talk about the subject, And he said, I should probably be a little more careful about who

my audience was, but yeah, I could talk about it. So I have official airline approval management of approval to talk about UFOs at work, which is probably a historic first. So you know, once they had run me through that ringer and they came up certified, saying, then what can they do? You know, it actually gave me a little more latitude with getting back. I guess the local types of things going on. I know one of the local are there just two regular yearly Sea Sete National outings usually three

maybe four. We usually do one in crestone in July, and one in Joshua. Three National forests usually out of palm springs or desert hot springs somewhere down in that area that will find a hotel that we kind of center at. And then Mount Shasta also, So those are the three main sites. So sometimes do want to East coast. They've done something up in New York.

I'm trying to remember the name of the place, but they've done several around the country and you can check those on the c SETI website sea Sety dot org and just look for a schedule of events or something like that. Yeah, I'll put those URLs up on the audio posting also with the crestone. At least events I've known, probably at least for the last few years, at least someone who's gone to join, and all of them, you know, have a great experience, and there's I think at pretty much everyone

that I've talked to, they have some experiences that they can explain. Oh yeah, we have some really high strangeness events. I have never gone on one of these outings where we didn't have at least one major siding, and this last year was just really active, all kinds of stuff going on. We always get new people coming in, and it seems like the limiting factor

is the least psychologically prepared person in the group. So when you've got a big training going on, there are some limits on how much can happen. It seems like if somebody, if the craft gets too close to somebody starts to freak out, then they will back away. They seem to be very conscious of our comfort level. But doctor Greer is also a magnet, so things are always happening when he's there. I saw it was a good time. I call it my reality break. It's a week to get away to

reality, away from this matrix that we live in. Yeah. One thing I found is there are no doubt magnets out there, and one way to see things is to hang out with some of these magnets. But you can also learn some of the techniques the remote viewing and thought projection and various telepathic type techniques that are really we all have the innate ability to do it. It's just that it's kind of beat out of us by our society. You

know. You tell the kids, well, there's no such thing as invisible friends, stop talking about it. After a while, the kid kind of gives up, and then they start to lose the ability to interact with these quote invisible friends or whatever. They lose psychic abilities because culturally they just aren't

acceptable. In this culture and other cultures around the world, a lot of that is much more accepted and even encouraged with C said, you have a protocol also that you work with, and this is a protocol to try to call and say hello, Yeah. The basic protocol has three different aspects. One, we have some recordings that were made actually by BBC camera crew in

a cross circle is the main when we use. There's also some that we're recorded with UFO sightings and we broadcast those on any radio, it doesn't matter a CBE radio, a little motorola talk abouts what I generally use, and so we send those out and the idea of being that if they hear something that is of their origin, they'll assume being broadcast. They'll assume that we're

trying to get their attention, and that seems to help attract them. We also use lights, although nowadays we generally only use the lights when we see something, we'll flash at them and see if they flash back, see if we can get a little interactive nonverbal communication going. But the third third aspect

and the most effective is consciousness itself. They seem to have technology that interfaces directly with consciousness, and if we are in a meditative state to where we are kind of at one with the universe and able to allow our consciousness to travel out, we can go out and remote view find a craft, basically knock on the door and ask permission to come aboard in a sense and invite them to come interact with us. And so basically reaching out in consciousness and

inviting them to follow us back is probably the most effective part of the trilogy. I have a funny story with that protocol, and well, interesting cool story for me. I went out to the UFO Watchtower in Cooper, which is in the San Luis Valley, which is very about what maybe twenty miles from Crestone if that very close to Crestone and just west of the sand Dune. And I had brought that BBC Crop Circle sounds, and I was familiar

with the Sea SETI protocol. But I went out there and I just I met Judy Messoline, who owns the watchhower, and we just started talking and talking and talking, and we're spending all our time talking. And I had mentioned I had brought this sound, but I didn't know the entire protocol,

and unfortunately nobody else there knew the protocol. Well, lucky enough, this couple came and they started talking with us, and they became part of our little group, just talking for hours, and eventually I had mentioned I brought that sound, and the lady said, well, I actually am part of Sea SETI and I've gone to a lot of these outings, including some crush On ones. So she showed me how to do the protocol. So we went up to the top of the watch shower, we did the protocol.

We should have been watching this sky, but instead we just got to talking again. Inside. Luckily, my sister was watching and we had camped a lot as kids, and so she knew out of spots, stars and satellites and things. And she says, look, there's a satellite. Well, I get out there, and Judy and all of us, you know, saw this extremely bright object just above the mountains, just above press Stone really is where we spotted. It's just very bright, moving slow and moving to

the south and moving. It was solid and slow, So that's why she said satellite. Plus she had nothing to really reference, but she could tell it was something strange. I could tell that from her face. She said pretty not much gets her, but she was pretty shocked. So we're watching this thing. When it got directly over the sand dunes to the what east of us, it just steadily dimmed like a dimmer switch, and then the

Sea SETI person. I was like, wow, it's gone Sea SETI lady had already gotten to her car and had her binoculars on it, so she said at that point she saw it flying to Mount Blanca, which was at that end of that string of mountains which seems to have a lot of things happening there. Yeah, there been actually reports of aircraft flying right into the mountain in broad daylight and just disappearing. No crash, no nothing, They

just kind of merge in. So I don't know whether it's holographic or whether they're fase shifted to where they can merge right through solid matter or what,

but that's been reported numerous times. Actually, the way we kind of got a clue on the consciousness aspect of the protocol is that there have been a number of reports of people citing the UFO and just kind of thinking out loud, gosh, I wish it had come closer so I could see it better, and it would it would make a turn and come towards them, And so we started to realize there was a connection and we started doing it deliberately.

Good idea. Yeah, I've been finding that in my investigations of investigating sighting slightly a lot of connection with consciousness as a viewer and the exact protocol is probably not nearly as important as your intent. Your intention and your preparedness for whatever high strangeness might occur. If you're comfortable with it, then things

can happen quite easily. Yeah. Yeah, when people talk about the protocol and if they're skeptical, I can't really be skeptical because the only the first time I tried it, truly, you know, I had that experience. Actually, coincidentally enough, I came back from Albuquerque last night and me and my cousin were had passed by the watch shower last night on our way back home, and we got up on the watch shower and I showed him the

protocol. We had tried it, and we didn't see anything, but it was already just an incredibly magical experience because serendipitously enough, we got there in time for the moon to rise and come over the mountains and it was just gorgeous. It's a very very magical valley down there. Yeah, Christine is great. So have you attended some of the other national outings. I've been to Joshua Tree twice and this last year I went to Mount Chasta for the

first time and Mount chest is really neat. When you get up on the mountain there at night, the skyes can be so clear. Of course, the Milky Way is just totally totally in your face. But it was so clear and bright that we could see the Andromeda galaxy with the naked eye, which is really right on the ragged edge of being able to perceive. Holy Cow, and it was beautiful and binoculars. When did you go to that

one? Oh, gosh, I think that was in September. I guess as far as you've seen then, with all of your experience with the evolution of the phenomenon, do you see trends, you see something happening, do you have a I guess what is your overall feeling of where we're headed with

all of this. Well, fortunately, over the years we've seen less and less of the really overt sightings, and the feeling seems to be that the covert military guys are getting better and better at targeting them and shooting at them, and so they're less able to fully materialize and be visible for us. We're seeing more and more subtle phenomena just right on the ragged edge of perception or even encounters in consciousness, but not as much of the fully physical sightings

we're hoping we can. We've been campaigning for years to get the military to stand down in the order to try and target and shoot them down, so far not successfully. But just as an example one of the more subtle things, we were out one night in Crestone several years ago and massive thunderstorms all around us. So we're all sitting in the cars out there in the Bakka waiting for the storm to pass, and it seemed like it was very calm

right around us. It was just no wind and the lightning wasn't anywhere close

to us, and the clouds it almost dissipated us. They went overhead and then reform, but finally things settled up, settled down a little bit, and the lightning was easy up. We got out of the cars, but we could see these little kind of red, almost like led flashes around the horizon, you know, maybe a mile away from us or more, and very subtly, with kind of a soft focus, you could see what looked like a very very large, huge dome right over the top of us.

It was like being inside the King Dome before they took it down, And we thought that was kind of cool, and we had some very subtle energy form entities that were just on the very ragged edge of perception. Night. But the next day we got back to the hotel. We were staying a little restaurant, and the guy, the cook there, was acting very strange,

and finally somebody got him to talk about what was happening. He'd gone out that night before to watch the thunderstorm, and in the lightning flashes, he was seeing this huge dome down south of him, out over the bocket.

He had no idea where we went that night, but it was basically centered right over where we were, and there was a house, a farmhouse, and a barn and some trees across the street from where he was standing that normally would block the view of about two thirds of the Great Sand Dunes, and he could see a little on the left, little on the right. Well, in these lightning flashes, through this very subtle, transparent dome, he could see the entire sand dunes, and the farmhouse was gone,

and this kind of freaked him out just a little bit. So the next morning he went out to see, you know, farmhouse was still there, and it was so he actually he served his breakfast and didn't say anything, and then shut the restaurant down for a while, and we're trying to get lunch and he just wasn't back. Finally came back around one thirty in the afternoon. I guess he'd gone up to the hospital in Salida to talk to

the doctors because he thought he was going crazy. And he finally told somebody what he'd seen, and we said, oh, yeah, that makes perfect sense, because there have been numerous accounts the way these things can bend light waves around them so that they appear invisible and what's behind him is what you

see. So in this case, they were probably over us and over the farmhouse, and what he was seeing was the light waves bending around so he could see the entire Great Sand Dunes, and anything in the middle was essentially invisible to him. It was probably at a much higher vibrational frequency, kind of phase shifted to where it was more nero astral than physical, but just

barely bleeding through into physical perception. What did he have to say to that, Well, I think it relieved him a little bit that we didn't think he was crazy. He didn't know a whole lot about our c seted group, except that we were kind of a far out group that was spending the week down there, and you know, he seemed okay the rest of the week, but I understand that about a month later he packed up and moved out of the valley. He just couldn't take the energy and the high strangeness

of the San Louis Valley. So that's unfortunate. But some people just aren't ready. I guess with a local outings, what did those entail? Usually,

well, we just have a group. I just send down email note to people around my list, and you know, when I get my schedule and figure out what nights we can get together, we'll schedule a month, you know, a night or two during the month, and we meet at a member's place up near Conifer that's on a private road back, pretty secluded, no traffic going by, and pretty well shielded from the lights of Denver and stuff. So we've got a pretty dark skies and a pretty wide open

view of this of the night sky. There's a few hills around, but still we've got most night sky visible, and so it's a real good site. It's a close, close end drive, but we don't get bothered by anybody up there, so it works well, and we'll just stay out working on the c SETI protocols. We always have somebody new, so we're always training people on how it all works, and stay out until midnight one two in the morning, depending on what's going on and how cold it's getting,

and see what we can see. We've seen some stuff out there, satellites making ninety returns and stuff like that, and at the very least we have a real good astronomy night with some good binocular and watching for things like the Iridium satellites that flare up real bright. You can pull those up from a

website. It's called Heavens Above, Heaven's Dash Above. I'll give you the thing you can put on your website and you can check when the space station's coming over, or the Iridium satellites or the Hubble space telescope and stuff. So you can be looking for those things and know what they are, but also looking for other things and we occasionally see some stuff. Yeah, watching the stars is always fun and Conifer, though it could be also an issue

could be that it's very close to fairly close to Denver. Still with a large metropolitan area, it's fairly close to Denver, and we've got a direct line of site down at the Colorado Springs area. So although you know, I've had some interesting investigations from witnesses here in gold and spectacular, things can happen pretty much anywhere. People have got good video of UFOs right over downtown

Denver. And one of my friends was who kind of poo pooed the whole thing, was driving up I seventy from downtown up towards Evergreen and he said he saw the really really strange aircraft the night before. And I said, well, what did it look like? And he said, well, it had white and blue lights alternating in a circle around it. And I said, welcome to the club. That's no airplane and did I have any airplanes

like that? What did he say? Was he pretty shocked? Or well he I think he kind of suspected it, but didn't want to admit it to himself until until I told him that there's no airplanes with that kind of light pattern, and welcome to the club. I've known a number of people who've it's who I've welcomed to the club over the years. Oh yeah, it's been fun. People get welcome to the club every day. Do you think in fact, you know, that's a good segue to what I was

going to move to. Do you think that's part of this phenomenon? It is these personal sightings by more and more people. Well, you know, there's all the rumors about massive flyovers and stuff to really announce to us that we're not alone in the universe. And I've seen an awful lot on both sides. I don't really know for sure. Some of its channeled material, and you always wonder how much that's filtered through the person's experience base and stuff.

So you can take it, consider it, but you've got also, you know, consider the source. And you can't really say that just because somebody channeled that something's going to happen, that it's one hundred percent sure that it will. But you know, it doesn't hurt to be looking out, carry a camera with you if something is supposed to happen, and you know, keep looking up. How do you feel about disclosure? Do you think it'll come about soon? How do you think it might come about? Well,

we were probably making some inroads during the Clinton administration. With the current administration, they have absolutely no interest in disclosure, So I don't think we're going to make inroads through conventional channels over the next couple three years. Unless there's some major changes. I thought we could have some events that kind of forced the issue, and that could be a good thing too, And I

think a lot more people are much more ready for it. You know, even when I did the Interface Boulder presentation, a lot of the clergy people had already talked with their congregations about the possibility of other life in the universe, and I brought it up openly and then a very positive way, which I thought was Outso so it's getting out there. I think with forty years of Star Trek and other stuff, I don't think people be jumping jumping out

of windows like they were afraid they would back in the nineteen forties. Right. Another thing that I found, at least with sightings, it seems like people are much more educated. Blue Book said maybe ten percent of their sidings were unknowns, but these days, I think it's a lot higher than that, especially people in a metro area where they're used to seeing lights in the sky all day, so they're not going to report something unless it's strange.

Typically. Oh yeah, And you know, I've had a lot of people tell me about things they've seen, and some were pretty easily explained to something conventional that they just haven't seen much before. But there are a number that are unexplained, and so you know, you've got to look at both sides of it. You can't just jump to the conclusion that, hey, they said it was strange, so it had to be a UFO. You wouldn't

have any credibility if you went at it that way either. You've got to come at it with a very open mind that it could be either way, and then gather evidence and come to a good evaluation. One thing I wanted to ask I was going to talk about, you know, like you said, this administration doesn't seem to be interested in disclosure. The last at the Clinton era, they were at least researching it and not unfortunately getting anywhere,

getting stonewalled. But a new administration, hopefully the right one, would maybe search that. But related to that is the NASARA about some major changes and a lot of people don't know what that is, and we're talking about that a little bit before the interview. I want to do you want to describe what that is? Well? I have I have really mixed feelings about NASARA and I just I really don't know enough to know whether it's real. There's

a lot of stuff on the Internet about it. But National Economic Recovery and Stabilization Act, and it's supposed to restore us to constitutional government and restore sound money, gold based money, et cetera. It sounds good. I hope it's real. And there's been a lot of Internet chatter even this week about it, so you know, just do some Google searches. I try to

remember the the website. It's supposed to be the official website of NISARA, But there's been a lot of a lot of chatter on that, and a lot of chatter about as soon as that's announced and they get a standdown order on the military shootdown orders that we're supposed to have massive flyovers and sightings and landing events and and all of that stuff, and it will be a very overt first contact. Again, a lot of that's coming through channel sources,

so mm hmm. I'll you know, I'm keeping an eye out, I'm carrying a camera, but I'm not telling everybody that it absolutely positively is going to happen, because I don't know that I really have an open mind at this point. And researching as much as I can and keeping an eye out, but we'll see what happens. But yeah, I'll have that link up also because if that's true, I mean that sorry, I think it's n E s A r A or is any s r A. It's really interesting

stuff so and hopefully hopefully there's some truth to it. Yeah, you go to the snoops dot com or some of those and they'll the myth buster sites and they'll claim that it's all a fraud. But what better way to create this information than to put it on one of those sites. I mean you look at look up UFOs on those sites, and they'll say that that's all a fraud too, or it doesn't really exist. So you just can't believe

much of anything. You've got to just find out for yourself. If you were to give advice to someone in the public who's interested in the field, or maybe they're just a little afraid but they want to do more investigation, what advice would you give them? Okay, Well, a good place to start is to go to the c Sety website c se TI dot org and look at doctor Girr's position papers and you've got a good background actually a good portion of his book is on the website for free. You can also get

the books Extraterrestrial Contact The Evidence of Implications is the first book. His second book is Disclosure, And I understand he's just about to come out with his third book, which names names and takes no hostages. He got a little tired of being kicked around and so he just he's cutting loose on his third book and it's going to be very very illuminating as to who's behind a lot

of this stuff. He names names and corporations and people and exactly what their connections are to the covert government, the m J twelve cabal, and I'm sure there's gonna be a big stir when that comes out. So he states

he believes that the m J twelve exists. Yeah, they've been through several name changes p I forty and some other things, but it's basically an outgrowth of the original Majestic twelve was the was twelve top scientists from different disciplines that vanavar Bush put together to study the UFO debris from Roswell and others, and out of that they it expanded. There were more people involved, but they basically took a black ops covert and out of the constitutional chain of command and

oversight. Eisenhower early on was was involved and knew what was going on. He saw some of the stuff. One of our witnesses, Brigadier General Stephen Lufkin, who's still to this day of practicing JAG attorney in the in the Guard, was on Eisenhower's staff in the White House back then, and he actually handled some of the materials from Roswell. Tiny eye beams with Magenna hieroglyphic looking symbols on it, and metal that you could crumple up and it would

pop back out and stuff. And they took him downstairs and passed this box around and were talking about it, and then they asked what it was and they told him. So he's actually handled it. He's one of our witnesses. And you know, as a as an attorney with a professional license, just like I'm a pilot with a professional license. If we're perpetrating a hoax on the public, then we're subject to losing our professional credentials. And he

sticks to his story. So another one Vanovar Bush's secretary is also a witness. And all of this you could also I think the executive summary is free to download, isn't it. I believe the Executive Summary last I checked was free to download for people who were c SETY members. I think that was in the members only section, but that could have changed. I don't know. And even if you can't get it for free, I'm purchase that you can purchase it for I think it's only like five bucks or something. That's

not much, which has got some great information and witness testimony. Actually, that executive briefing, well there's the executive Summary and then the Disclosure Project briefing, And we gave that entire five hundred page briefing document to every single Senator and congressman, hand delivered to their offices and at the very least got to their staff. So they cannot deny that it did not come to their offices, every single one, and not a single one of them had the courage

to do anything about it. Do you think it shocked some of them or do you think some of them knew, or do you think some of them disbelieve? Maybe some of all all of the above, m But unfortunately nobody did anything about it. Really Yeah, I mean, well even Jerry Ford called for hearings when he was a congressman and he went on to be president. But everybody's afraid that if they take on the subject that they'll be their careers down the tubes, and so nobody's willing to take it on a right

So that was my interview. Of course, the audio is a little rocky. I'm sure i'll get some people complaining. Unfortunately, there are some people who are difficult to satisfy. Even though you know, I do my best to provide this stuff and you have the best audio available. Some people get a little unhappy when everything isn't perfect, but hey, you know, it's better than nothing. And the cool thing is, I think it gives it to me. It was kind of fun to listen to because it gave it.

It sounds older and kind of fun that way, and it's different from the every day But that's how I felt about it. I don't know if you'll agree, but I hope you do, and I hope you really enjoyed the interview. In fact, I should say an update and all the stuff he was talking about. By the way, you can find a Disclosure project dot com. If you go to media you can download a lot of those files. From doctor Greer some of the and on the right hand side it

looks like they have links also, so some really good stuff. Doctor Greer has certainly straight away from sticking to just the real credible speakers, He now kind of gets into a lot of different stuff. In fact, recently he says he might have access to an extraterrestrial body, which he was an emergency

room doctor, and he's going there's a doctor bravo. He said that he's going to go have examined this body so they can take a look and see if perhaps it is really extraterrestrial, and if so, I hope they do the due diligence around that to confirm that and then also share that with the public, because of course that would be quite the big deal. There isn't much history about how this body was acquired, but hopefully we'll hear that soon.

He's raising money to make a documentary and I know he wants to have it part of that documentary. And so that's an update on doctor Greer and what he's up to. Otherwise, I want to thank you all so much for joining me again. On next weekend, we are having Scottie Roberts. If I've got the name right, and he does Intrepid Magazine. It's a paranormal magazine about all kinds of different stuff. So if you've seen it, you know they've got some great artworks on it. And Scotti does there.

And also Micah who we had on before. He's part of Intrepid Magazine. But yeah, we'll be talking to Scottie Roberts. He sounds like a neat guy and I'm really excited to be interviewing him. So don't forget to join me next week. Visit ufodailynews dot com for the latest UFO news. Don't forget the stories I mentioned earlier you will find under the UFO News speed and again, let's enjoy my clothes music from two Ears the Minute Saudio Smooth chucchos doc to you, sim sime st