Welcome to Open Minds Radio with your host Alejandro Rojas, former official spokesperson for the Mutual UFO Network. Alejandro who's been a UFO paranormal researcher and journalists for nearly a decade and has long hours in the field investigating the paranormal up close and personal, and now Open Minds Radio presents evidence in the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Rojas. Hello, and welcome
to open mind Radio, your UFO news authority all around the world. We're international, we cover news from everywhere. We've been talking a lot about China, England. It's just awesome how we're able to do that. Today's guest is super cool. Her name is Debbie Ziegelmeyer. She's the sister to my buddy Chuck Zukowski, who I've had on a couple times, and she's my too, of course. And you can see some pictures, you know, if you've looked online and seen us at the Debris Syite Chuck and Debbie and
the Open Minds crew at least some of us. So we had a lot of fun out there with her. But she helped found really she did mostly herself to be honest. She helped found the Moufon Dive Team, which is pretty cool. Essentially, she's a dive instructor and they put this together so they can go dive under the ocean or large lakes, because there have been situations with the Great Lakes like you've heard on the show before, of possible UFOs under the water, so they could go down there and check it out.
So she's gonna tell us about that certification she did for the Moufon Dive Team and some of that stuff really interesting and cool stuff. She's also the state director for Moufon in Missouri and they've got some interesting stuff out there. She's been part of Ted Phillips group and investigating the Marley Woods, which is a mysterious place kind of like the ranch in Utah we've talked about, where there's lots of weird stuff going on, like lights in the forest and things
like that, people reportedly seeing beings coming in and out of portals. She's also got some other mysterious areas out there and they've had a flap a lot of orange UFOs being seen lately, similar to what's been happening in the UK. Although they've been saying that those are Chinese lanterns. Interesting enough, and I'm excited to talk about this because just like a good Moufon researcher should do. Debbie was able to find some information about that as well, and we'll
talk more about that. So she's a great researcher, great person. We'll have her on in a little bit. And speaking of Moufon, we just got back from the Mutual UFO Network Symposium which was held this weekend. Got to see some of my buddies and happy to say there's all always rumors about move On because of course, like the interest says, I used to be the spokesperson for them, so i'd get, you know, all kinds of crazy questions asked of me about the group, So there's always some kind of
controversy with them, just because there's the largest group. I think that's just the issue, is that they're so big and everybody expects so much out of them that it's hard to please everyone. But you know what, despite whatever rumors are going on right now, they're running really strong. They've got a
good leadership. There's been some changes, a few slight changes, some additions, some people moving on, and we're going to talk to more of their leadership as well some of the other business board members, the group that really runs move On. We'll be talking to them on our show very soon.
I've been talking to them about that. In fact, I've probably had on my show the most move On board members than any other show, and people don't realize that there is this board that really runs a lot of what goes on with moufan at their headquarters. So that's going to be a lot of fun talking to more of them. Clifford Cliff who we've had on the show, and you all know he was a lot of fun. He's just a
really funny and nice guy. So it was really cool to have him m seeing the awards ceremonies and giving out awards and they're MC by the way, for the symposium for the last six years or something has been John Greenwald who runs Blackbolt dot com, and that was a lot of fun too. You'll be able to see pictures and you can actually hear some of our shows on black Bolt Radio. He invited us to put some shows up there, so
a lot of fun. Speaking of fun, the UFO Congress this year, we had a lot of questions about the Congress, how it's going to go, where it's going to be. It's going to be in Phoenix, as you all know, in the Phoenix metro area, in a place called Fort McDowell on the Yabapie Niche and Indian Reservation, a beautiful place, and people were really excited about that. It's gonna be a lot of fun. So hang type people, you're gonna be able to get a lot more information and
see our cool new UFO Congress website really soon here. That's at Ufocongress dot com. And if you ever have any confusion about what's who and who's what, you can go to Openminds dot tv, where you're gonna find, among other things, UFOs in the news. So there's a lot of news on UFOs all around the world, and we have our news correspondent Jason McClellan here to tell us more about what's going down. Greetings Alejandro, greetings my friend,
Hello Phoenix, and hello world. This is your Open Minds News brief for Monday, July twenty sixth, twenty ten. MSN reported the UFO spotted over the Tron Beach resort of Malaysia last week. The object was witnessed by several resort staff members, and was described as floating and emitting a blue and
green light. Then the object vanished in the blink of an eye. Some witnesses claim to have captured images of the object on their cell phones, while others claim that when they attempted to capture the object on their phones, the phones mysteriously went dead. And Alejandro, this seems to happen not regularly, but it does happen sometimes with people capturing trying to capture a UFO on video
cameras on phones. We've seen a lot of anomalies with video cameras on the actual video, but then the cameras shutting down and then starting up again. Yeah, you know, of course, this is one of the things that spans with other paranormal research, where you're in areas of high activity where the batteries die. But I have heard over and over again in reports and investigations that even though a UFO may seem like miles away, that somehow it knows
when you're trying to videotape it, and it won't let you. It'll zip away, or the cameras won't work. And I mean that sounds extraordinary, doesn't sound possible, but when you see so many of these reports, you know, it's got to make you wonder. It seems to happen, you know, more than just the random occurrence every once in a while. Yeah, I personally believe there's something to it. It's fascinating crop circles. A three D crop circle appeared in the UK on clay Hill and Warminster last week.
The sophisticated design is two hundred feet wide and when viewed from above, an optical illusion gives the design a three D effect. This crop circle is now being linked to UFO activity. Apparently, orange lights in the sky were observed by multiple witnesses on the night before the crop circle appeared. Hmm, yeah, bouts of balls of lights and things with the crop circles, and it's what the heck's going on with those? You never know what's going on
with those UFOs. CBS Report printed a story from Discover magazine last week to suggests how extraterrestrials might be trying to contact US. Groups like SETI, the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence here on Earth that listen for signals from extraterrestrials are often strapped for cash and operate with very small budgets. This article from Discover magazine suggests that the notion perhaps extraterrestrials who may be trying to send to signals,
they might be strapped for cash themselves. They might be starving scientists aliens, and they could be trying to use a more budget friendly method to try to contact us. The article suggests that budget conscious extraterrestrial scientists would probably be selective in their broadcast, limiting their transmission to frequencies with less astronomical background noise,
and sending only short pulses rather than energy hogging continuous broadcasts. It's so funny because really at the comic Con here in Phoenix, you know, we had the scientist Paul Davies and Shostak, and they're thinking fiscally, you know, around this, which of course SETI. They even though it sounds like great task because they have millions of dollars, really they have to think fiscally and
how they spend their energy. So they're thinking a lot of how aliens would spend their energy, and how like you're saying, you would want to do short bursts so they can save their energy so they're not spending too much. So they don't get too high of an electrical bill, you know, but I really like seeing this. This is refreshing to me because again we we've talked about it before. But the I think there's an overgeneralization with extraterrestrials.
There's there seems to more often than not, be this assumption that they must be super technologically advanced and perfect in every way. And recently, and you know, Stephen Hawking also with his comments comparing aliens to humans, thinking what would we do if we were out there looking at other worlds? And you know, it's I think it's a fresh approach thinking that, you know,
don't overgeneralize it. Not all extraterrestrials are going to be the same. They're not going to do so, I don't know, it's fresh and at least they're thinking about it and really spending time to talk about it. I think that's really cool. But I mean, they're going to be technologically so further along that I think some of these type of ideas it's worth talking about,
but they're awfully terrestrial and not absolutely absolutely contemporary. Well, speaking of comic Con, last week, at Comic Con in San Diego, Sony unveiled its new film Battle Los Angeles, based on the nineteen forty two air raid where a UFO allegedly appeared over the city of Los Angeles, initiating air raid sirens and the firing of more than fourteen hundred anti aircraft shells. Battle Los Angeles
is scheduled for release next year. That sounds like a cool movie. Well, it looks cool, though it's going to be like, it's not going to be about the nineteen forty two incident. It's going to be about it's going to be modern day. But I guess they're going to refer to some of the old incident. I think so, and I think they might have
some real footage from the nineteen forty two incidents under the footage. I don't know how they got that wow, but I could tell they took liberties because they were talking about their creative process when they went when they tried to figure out how they were going to design the alien. Yeah. Right, there wasn't any contact with an alien. But we do have in our magazine an
article written by Richard Dolan on nineteen forty two with some cool graphics. So that's going to be out in the stores in the next couple of weeks, and of course you can get in online. Absolutely I have more news a Lejandro, but I'll wrap it up and remind people you've got time for one more to do it. You can squeeze it in, all right. We've been following the story of the airport in China that shut down after seeing a
u UFO and its airspace a couple of weeks ago. Investigations. I've yet to determine what exactly was in the skies above the airport, but what officials have determined is precisely what you and I were talking about last week, Alejandro. I was photo that was circulating around the internet. Everybody was saying, oh, this is the object that was above the airport. It was nothing more than an airplane, right, figured that out, which is what it
looked. I had nothing to do with that incident, but this particular incident, the particular object that was above the airport, they still have no idea what it was, still a complete unknown. So don't get confused with those stories people. They still don't know what's going on. Now, that's right. We'll follow the story and post off days on Open Mindes dot tv and you can read more about these stories and more at open mindes dot tv,
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vendor opportunities. You're listening to Open Minds Radio with Alejandra Rojas on KFNX News Talk Radio eleven hundred. All right, welcome back to Open Minds Radio, your UFO news authority, and I believe we have the Queen of Eupology, the new Queen of Uthology. That's what I'm gonna name you, Debbie, Debbie's egel Meyer. How are you doing just fine? Fine? Yeah? Right, it's really early out there, huh Yeah? Where I am?
Jay, Yeah, So le's get a little bit of re in the wee little minutes of the morning, that's okay, or late hours, I guess, opending on where you are. Yeah. Well, thanks for hanging in there for us and being on the show. So I want to talk about some of the cool stuff you've done, which you know, mounts every day. But the dive team and now I don't know is to move on dive
team like officially still going or anything. Well, the dive team was we saw it the dive team about oh, I guess four or five years ago and I just spoke with Cliffer Cliff, the international director for MUFON and we're discussing how to actually reorganize it and bring it back. Awesome what I what I had were divers from I had about forty five divers volunteers from a far north of Alastown as far south as Saint Thomas, and lots of people interested
in help out. Cool. So what did that entail? I mean you had a whole certain certification program to get on this team. Well no, actually, our our initial team I trained the first underwater UFOL Search and Recovery class and it was very did it at the Korean Raala. We had a
dozen graduates from Anthonty. It's patty certified and actually was a navigation in search of Recovery patty certified, and then gave them a certificate for the UFO such recovery course and the volunteers were have to be certified divers and they were. Basically, when you're a diver, it's good to know the terrain that you're in, you know, because your water, your dive shops and that type
of thing. Back of shore supports plus some additional helping the water. Divers don't dive unless they dive in pairs, and so we have volunteers to help out across the country. Cool. So, did you like take one of the secret UFOs as the move on underground vault and throw it in the water
and have them recover it? No? Actually, what we did was we took ten foot in diameter satellite dish, put legs on it and painted it floor us and and dropped it thirty foot down in very cold water and a quarry to get a training choya a diving training quarry and worked very well. We did that, and we hid different things across the cory and and had eight dives over two days and had these individuals playing them and women. They did a very good job. Wow, that's the UFO is still there?
It is? Yes, it is, so it's still there for you to continue your training. Yes, and I guess it's still in the traction there in the quarry for any other divers that want to go down and see it. Oh, neat that's really cool. So with the dive team or just as a move one investigator. Have you ever got to go do a dive investigation? Came close a couple of times and it ended up that they found out what it was ahead of time. I'd like to head the Puerto Rico.
There's a lot of shallow water in and around Puerto Rico, around the reef where things have been sighted. The problem we have right now is a lot of the craft coming in out of water have been extremely deep, way decent. Then a certified divert can go down to but one in five UFO or unidentified craft sightings the reporter are reported in and around water, and there's a lot of ponds, there's a lot of rivers, lakes. There's no
reason why there shouldn't be somebody looking for trace evidence in these areas. I have all the equipments or not. I have a substantial amount of equipment to help me look for trace evidence and a lot of volunteers. So we're hopeful. We're trying to get reorganized. Yeah, isn't it a high percentage of UFO sightings that have to do with with a body of water. Yes, well yeah, one in five Wow, five are water related. Mm hmm, that's cool. Likeily, I talked to Carl find to do just the
underwater UFO H Steph. He was at the move On symposium, so were you, So hopefully i'll have him ontoon. I'm excited about that. I'm hoping we can get together and get organized and get something done. Yeah, they need to outfit you with a deep water submarine. Then well, I have eyes of equipment. I have an LED screen and with a little cook to a little camera with one hundred and fifty foot of cords so I can
see hundred and fifty foot down. I'm also a Patty scuba instructor and I'm certified to one hundred and thirty feet, although I have been farther down. I have an underwater midlitector sonar video camera, a couple of different kinds of regular digital still shot film, a couple of different kinds of cameras, and
a lot of interesting equipment. We're able to go down and search and if there's something down there, I have a recomfident that that we'll be able to find something if if we get the opportunity cool, well, contact us. It may not necessarily be a UFO, but at least right answers the question. Yeah, so you can contact Open mindset TV or move on. If you know of something out there any of you listeners that perhaps needs to be investigated, that is under the water, under the sea exactly if you want
to contact moufon Missouri. Were at obvious moufon Missouri dot org. Okay, perfect is our website. Now getting into some of the other more exciting things you do in just a minute. But I wanted to talk about what got you interested in UFO investigation. Oh well, good question. I have no idea. I grew up in Arizona. Uh huh, I grew up. I grew up in Stafford, Arizona, and we had just a a brilliant night time sky and my brother, Checkikalski and I used to go out and
just stargates. We both always had telescopes, and I'm kind of from there. I guess. You know, if you look at the sky and you start to wonder, and especially a nice sky, and then you see, you know, things that you're not sure of, and that's kind of how it started, you know, I started seeing things, you know, and then now you know a lot of bad life. But I have seen some
things that I really can't explain. So I think probably the answer to the question is I want to know what the truth is, and the only way to hunt for the truth is to seek it. Now, how long have you been a move On Investigator? About? Only about ten years? I was involved raising a family before that, and I I did do independent investigating on my own for at least ten years before that, but officially move On investigator for ten years. Wow, so you've still twenty years. And I
know you're an extremely busy person with several businesses. Uh an award winning olympiad as a child or for a child, right, I guess that's get you let the cat out the bag there. Yeah, my daughter's a two time Winter Olympic medalist, so I was Olympic mom for several years. Yeah. So a short truck speak. So it's incredibly fine time to do all of this. Oh, I set my watch to twenty five hours. You can do that. I need one of those watches. Although that extra hour I
would sleep. Yeah, how about you that tonight? I got in here into Orlando at four o'clock this morning, peek. So you're, as usual, very busy. I know one of the cases that you looked into out there was the Marley Woods, and maybe you can describe to the audience a little bit of what happened or some of the mystery and and why the woods are special Marley Woods. That's an investigation Sad Philips has been working on since
nineteen ninety eight at least. And what they have is there's ongoing I guess, some kind of a phenomenon. I guess is the best way to describe it. There's been everything from mysterious lights in the sky. We've got to take a break real quick and we'll get into the Marley Woods right after this, So stay tuned. Open Minds Magazine, the exciting new publication by Open
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So we got some chatters online. Now, thanks for joining us, and we're back. We were talking about the mysterious Marley Woods before I had to cut you off. Sorry about that. Oh that's okay. I mean we're talking about some of the strange phenomena there, all right. I was fortunate enough, fortunate enough to work on that site with Ted Phillips for a little over a year. There's been a mysterious light, there's a back years ago, there's a possible crash site, a landing site. They've had I
guess, reports of strange entities. It's it's basically an ongoing investigation and ongoing live I guess series of phenomenon going on there. So I mean it's basically research there. There's constant research that could be going on, and it's a mysterious place. Nobody knows why or you know exactly what is going on, but they're they're gathering a lot of information and so maybe someday we could find out what what makes that area so special. It's it seems like people are
discovering more and more of these areas. You know, we had the Utah Ranch, the Skinwalker ranch out there that the NID to people, big loads people looked into. We've got Marley Woods, which is probably the next one that came along. And then there's a place in Oregon that people have been talking about. I know Angela Joyner on Hotel radio show has been talking about this, and I think was it you who also found a second site out
there in Missouri? You know as muflin State director of Missouri. I'm surprised at how many reports of strange lights that I get that are across southern Missouri. And then the very seems to be a very active area. There's also been the Joplin spook flight that's been around for generations and they haven't figured out what that is yet. What is that the Johnson spook light it's called the Spook Light and it's in Joplin, Missouri. You can look that up online.
They even go as far as I've found directions directly to it online. It's been there just for generations. The light that disappears. At first they thought maybe it was a train light. They thought it was highway traffic. People go out there and watch this light appear and then disappear. There's no rhyme or reason to it. But it's been going on long enough to work. It's got a name. Very strange. And in your state. You had a lot of reports of these orange orbs as well, right in my
state, at which time we do have them across the state. We had a lot, a lot reported eaving around fourth of July, right, yeah, fourth of July, we had oh my gosh, we had about twenty one and we had twenty one move on CMS cases case management system cases, and we ended up out of those eight of them so far or unknown. We did have a little bit of kind of a circumstance where we ended up
with the skylanerns I guess they call them Chinese lanterards. We had about nine of those reported several counties here in the state of Missouri have firework firework stands which I believe June twentieth through the tenth of July, and then there's there's about a weekend and around New Year's Eve where they can also sell fireworks here. And we have firework stands that are you're around that are legal. You
just you're not legal to shoot the fireworks though. And unfortunately, in the last four or five years, they've started selling these skylanerns, which are they're just made out of paper with a candle on a eight and so we've had a few of those, but we had nine sightings that we absolutely in and around fourth of July absolutely could not figure out what they want, and they did involve some type of orange lights in the sky. Interesting. Now,
those lanterns that you investigated, how large are they? Oh my gosh, I would say probably looked to be about three foot. I've got save on order. I haven't received them yet. I was in Roswell, New Mexico when this was going on in my state, and I got on my computer. I picked my computer with me so I can keep up on what's going
on. And I came back to some trying to introduce some people at fireworks stands and they'd already sold out of them, but I know they were for sale in the state of Missouri where they sold black Cat and T ANDT fireworks. So they're about three foot tall paper did you light a candle on the bottom of them? And then they go up and they travel with the wind. Depending on how much breeze you have, they can be it between three
and ten fifteen minutes. They fell four five six dollars online and they had them in limited qualities at fireworks stands those, you know, and it was easy enough to identify them when they were going across the sky. I had several reports in one area that they saw an orange fall of light go across the sky with a flame on the bottom. And then we had one of
the witnesses who reported actually find one in their tree. So we kind of checked the pattern the flight pattern of the other sightings, and one of them was across the street from a fireworks stand. So yeah, we were fairly certain, but you know, you can never be one hundred percent of what that is. But there were nine sightings, I'm not sorry, eight sightings in the area in the very and around that week that we just absolutely couldn't
explain in the strange balls of light. Well's surprising to me. And you know, you hear a lot about those in the UK, but I didn't know they were selling those at the fireworks stand And I know because I had read about Peter Davenport also reporting a large amount of sightings that he received over the fourth of July weekend. But then another paper wrote those were probably mostly Chinese lanterns, and I thought that was kind of chilly until I heard that
they were selling them at the stands. Well, you know, and it depends on the description too. I had a description at one point of something that was over the top of a house the size of a house, you know, the tree tops, and it was big and orange, and you know, I had some of the local say, well, we thought that that might have been a Chinese lander. No, they're absolutely not that big. They're they're not way up in the sky, up near our atmosphere.
They're not moving around. One of the reports you had with something that came across the sky and came across bath, across the sky enough to where if there should have been you know, you should have heard the sound barrier break. Well, this is not a Chinese lantern, so that would be a neat firework, though Chinese lantern that does it over the speed of sound probably so not, you know. And I asked if the fireworks stands to this a fire hazard and they said no, that they go up, you know,
most of them, not too yeah, it's too high. They stay kind of the low cloud level. The thing on how humid humid it is outside. Misery is pretty humid, you know, they may stay kind of low, you know, lower, but they the candle will burn out, they'll just blink out and then the paper will just come down and disintegrate, or they'll float down if they're not really high, that the paper will float down into a tree. Mm hmm. Yeah. Luckily hopefully one doesn't land
back on top of the fireworks stand. And definitely not but either absolutely not. The the explanation for the balls of light that we've had, especially around
Marley Woods. I actually the video takes one of those balls of light, well actually two nights in a row we video tape something like that, and there was no explanation for that that we know for sure that that definitely was not anything that came anywhere near a Chinese lantern, and you know that that kind of it's obviously too that that's been an explanation now, you know, it used to be you know, you've had heard everything from swamp gas to
you know whatever, and now they're using Chinese lanterns as an excuse or as a reason why or or I guess, an explanation for some of these balls of light the sky. But when we've got something that's high that's traveling at high speed, or two things that two balls of light they're dancing back and forth and one you know, shoot off into the sky, this is not a Chinese lantern, right, So there's a definite difference between the two,
right, right, So there's more going on than just the lanterns. Do you have exactly any sort of feeling at all about what is happening in the Marley Woods? I mean, do you think it is UFO E T? Or do you think it might be some more of the paranormal type of events happening there? You know, you know what, my my brother Chuck Zukowski and I were down there with Ted's team, and I think it's pretty mysterious. I don't think it's a natural phenomenon. I know, that there's it's
been around long enough to wear back several several several years ago. I mean we're talking maybe sixty years ago. They used to have something that they the locals would call mineral light, and they thought that maybe these falls of light would come up, and you know that that maybe that was minerals escaping from the ground. And they've been around a long time, you know, if you have to get something a name, and that's just what they called them.
There's also these strange falls of light in the San Luis Valley in the Native Americans there thought that they were the spirits coming up from from the ground in the evening time. You know at night, I guess spirits coming up and descending or I guess uscending into the the heavens. So ball of light like these have been around in the United States in several areas for a long time. I just saw special Untie. That's long ago where they're in Texas.
So we're not really sure exactly what they are. You know. The one that we saw disappeared and it appeared for about two minutes. We had a team about a mile and a half away. They couldn't see the lights the least we narrow it down that it was coming. It was in the tree someplace in between. There weren't any houses, there were weren't any roads. Just this orange ball of light appeared and then it disappeared. Well, we played the chuck and I played the videotape back and you could see it
after it blinked out. It didn't blink completely out, We just didn't see it. It slowly moved downward. Again. This appeared in pretty much the same place about the same time, two nights at all, and then after that they didn't see it again. Wow. So there's no rhyme or reason to this at all. We ranced through the area in the woods. But maybe there was some kind of a security light. Well, we'll talk more about that. We got to go to break again and we'll be right back.
We're talking to Debbie zgo Meyer. You're listening to Open Minds Radio. Welcome back to open Minds Radio. Here now former officials folksperson for the Mutual UFO Network, your host of Open Minds Radio, Alejandro Rojas, Welcome back. We are speaking with Missouri MUFON State Director Debbie z e goo Myern. You were talking about Marley Woods and your investigation into the orbs you saw there, and then I cut you off and did you finish that up or did
you have more to say? No? Okay, I think you haven't ask you about We have a conference coming up. Oh I was going to get into that. Okay. I want to save the best for last. Okay, because they'll be able to learn more about this. Then they'll have it on there their investigations. Yeah, then they'll be able to get out there and go straight from the to the website, you know, so they don't forget. But I want to get a couple of questions in before we get
into the conference. One is someone from the chat he was asking about He says, are aliens early humans that hid underwater and then come up in their UFOs? What do you think of that theory? Are it is a question? Are aliens early humans that lived underwater? That's a question. Yeah, that I have no idea. I guess if if we knew that for sure, that'd be the million dollar the answer to the million dollar question, I guess anything possible. If you want to hide, that's a perfect place to
hide underwater, right. And then my question before we get to the conference is what is one of your favorite investigations you've done lately. Oh, my favorite investigation I've done lately, or maybe when that's been done in your state that you thought was really well done. Oh in my state, My gosh, we've got what's an ongoing investigation I can't really talk about right now in my state. We have a lot that's going on in Kansas City area right
now. But I think actually the answer to the question is a favorite investigation I've done it. My brother chuckue Zakowski and I've been working on Roswell for over ten years. That's an ongoing investigation still with ongoing witnesses, new witnesses, new information. And probably my favorite part of it, of any investigation that I've done, was left year in July. Ably with July third, two thousand and nine, we were fortunate enough to take Jesse Marcell Junior to
the debris field where Matt Braswell found the debris. We took him there for the very first time. I'm not sure if everybody knows exactly who Jesse Marcel Junior is, but in case you don't, Jesse Marcel Senor was the officer did the nineteen forty seven Roswell incident. He was the officer that was holding the weather balloon that was used as a cover of that famous picture of them holding the balloon. Jesse Marcel Senior, Colonel Caviot and the day escorted mac
brasl out after he had reported finding the debris. So we took Jesse Marcell Junior, who was witnessed to a piece of debris or actually debris all over his kitchen floor. His dad had brought in about one thirty morning, woke Hi up when he was a eleven year old, and he actually got to hold and see debris from the nineteen forty seven crash. And this is the first time he had ever been to the place where the debris had been found. Yeah, that is that really very enjoyable. That's that is a great
honor that you guys were able to be the first to do that. I know it was very important for him. It was Now one more question from the chat was someone just asked if there have been reports of mantis extraterrestrial beings in Missouri that you know of. No, not that I know of. I know that we've had bigfoot in Missouri, but no, not any reports that I've seen no, maybe the Bigfoot scared off the mantis ones that could be. Now, let's get into the Midwest UFO Conference August fourteenth to the
fifteenth, being held by Missouri move On. That sounds exciting, yes, and actually it's Missouri MoveOn Quest, Missouri Investigating Group, and the UFO Study Group of Greater Saint Louis. It's a joint venture. The cross the state where we thought we would join forces, we'd get together, we'd all get to meet each other and share investigations. We're kind of co hosting it. We've got uh my brother d Zukowski, who's gonna be talking about cattle utilations
in Colorado. We have Travis Walton, who whose story was in a movie called Fire in the Sky. We have Margie Kay from Independence who's going to have a workshop on remote viewing, teaching us the remote doing, Gary Hart who's going to be talking about Seymour where they were cattle relations, and also Marley Woods, Joe Plarmo who's going to be talking about Missouri Bigfoot, Linda Eastbourne about abductions and check it Out'll be talking again about Roswell and an update
on what we found out there, and a lot more. We're going to hold an investigating up on build investigator course, so we've got a lot lot going on. Cool, that'll be a lot of fun. It's always great. A website mm hm at missourimofon dot org is a website. It's always get a registration form there and we still have registration open. It's a lot of fun when or it's really good when groups get together to co sponsor too, because there's so much A lot of times, you know, there's there's
this territoriatorial thing and sometimes groups don't want to work together. I think it's really important when groups do kind of join forces. Oh exactly. We we've come across investigations. I come across investigations, but there was another group working on the same investigation, different witness and after two three times of that, we've decided to join forces. And Missouri is a bigger stake than it seems. So the more investigation we had the war, people with their eyes open,
you know, if there even had skywatches. A couple of times a year, we have people across the state just looking up all at the same time, keeping in touches. People we can say anything. All the different groups working together so we're hoping we're open in this state maybe to finally find some answers as to what's going on on those joint skywatches. Have there been sightings. We had a couple a couple of things that people just didn't you
know, that weren't really sure what they were. Yes, we did, of course, you know, it was something odd in the sky, but you know, it was documented. But at this point we've only done it with me as being a stape director twice. We had a couple of, like I said, unidentified things one time and then another. The first time it was really cold. It was one of those where people were calling in and saying, I think those members are bad choice. So who were really
cold? Yeah, you know, it was exciting to know that we have people across the states that we're all looking up, and we had cell phone numbers of people online and unfortunately we didn't see any things that night. But the next time we tried it yet we did. You know, have a couple of reports of something strange. Cool. Well, and our magazine should be out a few days before your conference, if not a couple of days after, but you can go to the stores and then read about Travis wall
because we have a story on him in this magazine. It's it's focused on abductions. Then you can have more poignant questions for him when you go to their signing books. He says, new books out right, It's got a whole new chapter, an update. Mm hm. He's a lot of fun. He's such a great guy. Oh, just such a gentleman, just a real nice gentleman. Now do you have in Missouri any famous abduction cases like that, or even if it's not famous, just an interesting one.
Interesting abduction cases in Missouri? Yeah, we've I don't know necessarily if they're famous, but there have been reports, and I guess that that's probably what wend the eastbart is going to be talking about, because she's going to be talking about abduction cases in Missouri. But as far as famous ones like Travis Walton, I don't believe. So I don't know. I could be wrong. I've slept for three hours, so oh no, well, not many cases get that famous. Well, I guess we got a couple of minutes
exactly two. Uh, I know you're on sci Fi's Investigates all so where the Sci Fi Roswell special? Where you guys went dig to do that archaeology archaeological dig. Where can people still working more people get more information about those digs. Oh, you can go to www dot UFO nut dot com to my brother check Zukowski's website. There's information there. There's there's pictures of some pieceows debris that we found were still in the process of getting investigated, and
some other interesting things that we've found in the area. And your brother truly isn't that well. We we're out of time. Thank you so much, Debbie for being on the show in the middle of the night. Missouri. Move on dot org is where you can go get more information on that conference and r It sounds like it's gonna be a lot of fun. It's always fun to be hanging out with Chucking Debbie. So stay tuned. Thanks for listening to Open Minds Radio, your UFO news authority. Join us next week
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