This is a commercial, free archive edition of our live radio show that airs every Friday at noon, Arizona time on openminds dot TV. Welcome to open Minds Radio with your host Alejandro Rojas, former Director of Public Education and official
spokesperson for the Mutual ufone network. Allahunter, who's been a UFO paranormal researcher and journalists for nearly a decade at his logged hours in the field investigating the paranormal up close and personal, and now Open Minds Radio presents evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Rojas. Hello, and welcome to Open Minds Radio. We're bringing the UFO subject into the light of day. This is your host, Alejandro Rojas, and we have
another great show today. Today we've got a gentleman by the name of David Sirita. He started in the technology industry and he actually even began working on eco friendly technologies. A friend of his had him look at some NASA footage because they people had thought, hey, it looks like there's some UFOs in this footage. He looked at it, he was amazed at what he saw, and since then has been compelled into researching what the heck those things were
flying around in that NASA video. He has a lot of theories around it, but we're going to talk more about that in a minute. One of the things that's happened with him since he's begun researching UFOs is that he's become friends with dan Ackroyd. In fact, dan Ackroyd was going to be interviewed for one of Serta's videos and akroy just had a lot to say, so Serita filmed him for a couple hours talking about all of his all of Akroyd's
research into UFOs. They took that and packaged it into a DVD. And now maybe some of you have seen this. If you haven't, you got to check it out because Akroyd just his knowledge on this subject is absolutely amazing. I mean, we are going to a UFO conference here soon and we're going to be seeing a lot of speakers and Acroyd is on par with some of these longtime UFO researchers. He's got a lot of knowledge in this area. And some of you may know that Akroy's family actually has been involved with
a paranormal since he was a kid. So we'll talk more about that. We're also going to talk about a senior Lockheed engineer. Lockheed is a group, there's a group called skunk Works that some of you may be aware of, and they work at Area fifty one building things like the self bomber,
the SR seventy one, all of these top secret projects. And Boyd Buschman has talked to Serta and essentially alludes to and we'll talk to Srita more about what he says, but essentially being of the knowledge that they had back engineered ET technology. So senior Lockheed engineered. Pretty shocking that someone that level would be talking about that. David Sareda is gonna be a speaker at the UFO
Congress. He's gonna be talking on Saturday. And this is actually a conference, the biggest UFO conference in the United States, going on next week from Sunday to twenty first to Saturday to the twenty seventh in Laughlin, Nevada. You could go to Ufocongress dot com to read more about it. You could also go to our website which is looking flippin' awesome today. It's beautiful.
We've got a brand new website, Openminds dot tv. Cool graphics. Our graphic guys are just some of the coolest, cunning edge You could go check out that page with our cool radio pages brand new as well. There's a new tab you click on to see the video for live. If you want to watch us there, you can come in and chat with us at our little chat room here, so check out the website. We're also going to be filming live from Laflow and we're going to do the radio show next week
live from this UFO conference. We're also going to be filming every night at seven to thirty pm Pacific time, which is eight thirty pm in our native Arizona time here, but for an hour, we're going to have a video where we'll talk about highlights from the conference. We will interview some of the speakers, we'll have some little vignette, some short video type news that we're going to be showing a lot of really cool stuff and that's for free,
so check it out at openminds dot tv. If you can't make it to the conference, then you'll at least want to go to our website and watch some of our videos on the conference there. So I'll talk more about that throughout the week. We'll have our guest, David Serita on that show sometime in during the week, so you could take a look and see what he looks like. And maybe you're curious about what some of these upologists look like, how they dress some of them, you know, and there's a range.
You've got some of them that are in their nice suits and you have some that are in well, not so nice attire. And he'll be able to find out who the fancy people are and who the non fancy people are. Anyway, before we get into talking with our guest, we've got our news and as usual, we have our stellar news correspondent Jason McClellan here with
us to talk to us about the news. Thanks Alejandro. In the news this week, on Thursday, the BBC reported that more than six thousand pages of reports have recently been released in the UK that described people's experiences with unidentified flying objects. The reports contained letters and questions to Parliament, as well as detailed sighting reports, some complete withdrawings. The newly released documents were released under
a three year project between the Ministry of Defense and the National Archives. Yeah,
there are some cool files. Watch our website because we're going to be writing about more of these, and you can read a lot of the stories that have already come out on this the front page of our website, but we're going to write some Some of those are like a senior mod official who wrote a letter to the Ministry of Defense about seeing a UFO footage from a jet from the gun and he wrote in saying where did that footage go? Of course the mood said, oh, we can't find it. Sorry.
There's some other stories in there about police officers and coast guard looking for a UFO that they saw and was caught on radar, but later the mood said they were all confused by venus. So these police officers were running around for an hour and the coastguard was out in this bay looking for this UFO and saying that got confused by venus. I don't know how they could have done that. But really other really interesting cases there. So it's something like six
thousand pages of files. So we'll go through that and we'll write some stories in some of the best files here. Six thousand pages, that's right, and for one month only, you can actually view and download these files for free at the National Archives website. Yeah, that's one funny thing about the UK here everything that comes, every government file or photo is free to Americans. And you know there's no copyright the UK. They copyright their stuff,
so you can't get it for free. Eventually you gotta pay the rials. Well, this is a time limit, so one month, yeah, get downloading. Otherwise you got to pay the queen. That's right. In other news, as Alejandro mentioned, it's finally here. The nineteenth Annual International UFO Congress begins on Sunday. The week long gathering features seminars, vendors, speakers,
and the film festival, all centered around the UFO related topics. More than thirty five speakers from around the world will be delivering presentations on such topics as roswell, exopolitics, crop circles, abductions, and human contact with extraterrestrials. Alejandro also mentioned that we Open Minds will certainly be at the Congress this year, and we will be airing a live show called Live from Laughlin each
night at seven thirty pm Pacific time. This show will feature recaps of daily events and will include exclusive interviews with some of the speakers at the conference. The show will be streamed live to the Internet and can be viewed for free at Openminds dot tv. Open Minds Radio will also be broadcast live from the UFO Congress next Friday at noon Arizona time. The guest next week will be the renowned Mexican UFO journalist Hime Mussan, one of the speakers at this year's
conference. The twenty ten International UFO Congress takes place at the Aquarius Casino and Resort in Laughlin, Nevada, from February twenty first through the twenty seven. For more information, you can visit Ufocongress dot com or go to Openminds dot tv. That's gonna be a lot of fun. We're gonna be there all week. In fact, Jason has got the truck packed and he is hitting the road with our video producer right after the show. Right after the show,
we do hit the road and we will van Laughlin tonight. YEP. Are you looking forward to it. It's a long week, it's gonna be a lot of work, but it's the law of fun. It's a great, great event, and this is the nineteenth year they've been doing and it's like you said, it's the largest UFO conference and it's a great gathering time. Yeah, I've been. It's exciting for those here in Phoenix because the twentieth anniversary is going to be right here in the Phoenix metro area and Open
Minds will be hosting that. That's right, that's going to be a lot of fun and it'll be good for our local crowd here. Yeah, they're gonna be able to check out a lot of cool stuff. So I'm really excited about that. So come join us, you can come shake our hands, see what we're up to, and you'll get a preview of our magazine. Our magazine's going to be coming out in about a week or two. You're going to be able to buy that in the news stands and in some
of the bookstores. Real excited about that. We've got to take a little bit of a break, but we'll be right back talking about UFOs and UFO technology with David Sarita. You're listening to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro Rojas on KFNX News Talk Radio eleven hundred. All right, welcome back, and remember at the end of the show you can call in and ask your own questions. You can call in right now actually to get in the queue so you
can be sure to get your question in there. In the Phoenix area, that's six oh two two seven seven KFNX, which is five three six nine, or if you're outside of the Phoenix metro area, the twelve three numbers one eight sixty six, five three six eleven hundred. But now I believe we've got David on the line. Are you there? Yeah, all right, great to talk to you again. Uh, let's talk about the beginning when you first got into this and kind of what you were doing with working
in the field of technology and eco technologies. Well, it all started for me from seeing a UFO at nineteen sixty eight, okay, in Berkeley,
California, walking home from school at seven years old. And when you see one of these things with your own eyes, you know, and especially you know as a kid who you know building model airplanes and you know, having those Rebel model kits and you know, building cars, you can become very aware of machines and flying and you know, kids are very very fascinated with,
you know, machines and especially things like aircraft. So when you see something with your own eyes and people going crazy and there's a pandemonium of people on the street pointing up at a flying saucer. You know, you realize, you know, this doesn't really fit in anywhere. I don't. I don't have a model like that. You know. It's a flying disc with a dome on the top, you know, liquid like metal, no markings, very mercurial. It's almost like shimmering mercers in the sky, and very
close. I mean, I'm not looking at a spot like a lot of people give me links to video footage and alls I see as a spot. I'm really looking at something close and it's not in bill You know later in life that, you know, I realized in the nineteen seventies when I saw a documentary on the Billy Meyer photographs in Canada and Vancouver, Canada. There was a show and I said, oh my god, that's exactly what I
saw. In fact, it looked just like that. Wow. So the Billy Meyer wall he saw were saucer shaped objects, that's what you had seen. No, I looked identical. And in my years nineteen sixty eight and he started seeing them, you know, nineteen seventy one, seventy two, somewhere in there. So it was just after that and mine were from the
plates. I had contact experiences in my sleep, and when we lived in the Berkeley Hills in the East Bay, of the being showing me how the mechanics of the you know, the drive that was behind the propulsion system of the craft. And you know, when you have an experience, you know, experience is real to you. And so then you have you come out
in the world and you find out UFOs are worldwide phenomena. And obviously, you know, when you look at the polls, the real polls, you know, the majority of Americans by far, over seventy five percent believe the government's hiding in technology. So you know, when you go through school and you get lied to and they tell you that none of this is real, and you know we're the only ones in the universe, and you start to get pretty mad, you know, And me, I'm a I'm a kind
of a rebel. I'm kind of a fighter. I asked my physics teachers way too many questions, and I challenged them on very very deep points that they didn't know the answers to, and their answers weren't good enough for me. And so I started, you know, deciding to learn on my own and getting my hands on every book and every religion and every everything I could
find that wasn't in the mainstream curriculum to look for the answers. And what's amazing now is when you come to the UFO Congress at Laughlin, like you know, I was speaking there last year. I mean, there's PhDs everywhere in the audience, right, there's engineers, and so you're saying, if this is a joke, what are they all doing here? And why are they so interested? Yeah, I wrote a story recently for the website on that subject because a lot of people will ask, if there is something really
to this, then why aren't scientists interested? And they are interested, like you're talking about they're here that I'm sure you worked with a lot of scientists in your pasty. You might have had some colleagues that were interested. Well.
Actually ironic that many many years later, decades later, I was having lunch at the Lawrence Berkeley National Lab up on the Hill, which had a perfect view of the flying saucer I saw in nineteen sixty eight, and I'm sitting there having lunch with Glenn Seaborg, who chaired the Atomic Energy Commission, won the Nobel Prize in Physics, and his partner Albert Yarso and another very important nuclear fusion scientist that I was an associate of of doctor Bogen Magwitch.
And I told Seborg I saw the flying saucer, you know, right off this hill. And he didn't get mad, it didn't laugh at me and say, you know, he basically said that, you know, he didn't we didn't talk about aliens, but he basically said that he doesn't know anybody in any area of research that's working on anything like that anti gravity. And
his assistant Giorso, who's still alive Seborg has passed away. Seeborg was chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission under Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon under three presidents. He said that, you know, there's nobody working on anything like that. And he had access, according to his assistant, of thirty eight levels above top secret. And I never even knew there was more than ten levels above top secret. I mean, it's amazing how many levels there are. Yeah.
So with all that and this last year at the UFO Congress, I meet this guy in an elevator. He's a scientist who worked for the National Space Lab, which is right there on the hill at Berkeley. You know, Kitty corner to the Lawrence Berkeley National Lab, that they're all kind of in the same complex. And he said, you know, in nineteen seventy, in the nineteen seventies, he said he saw a falling saucer right outside
the window. He said, they all saw it. Wow. And that's I mean, that's a scientist who works at this at the National Space Lab, which is a you know, basically division and division of NASA. And they're admitting this to you, and they're coming through the conferences. So what's so exciting about these conferences? It's not just it's not like the Disney movie The Race to Which Mount, where everybody's a Looney tune right and wearing costume.
In fact, even I just saw something on YouTube where Stephen Hawkins was saying, well, how come UFOs only appear to wardos. Well, Stephen Hawkins is calling astronaut Gordon Cooper, who's a YouTube pilot right Blue one Gemini, He's calling him a widow. He's calling Major Bob White, who flew the X fifteen, the first man to go mark four or five and six at Edwards, their force space in nineteen sixty two, testifying Time magazine that
a rectangular crack was going the same speed as them. You know Mark four right next to him, a rectangle no aerodynamics doing, you know Mark four, five and six. So you know, Stephen Hawkins is calling all these people and the thousand probably in the neighborhood of one thousand people testified in Stephen Grier's Project Disclosure, He's calling them all weirdos. And that's the problem. The mainstream physics community in scientists thinks they're God and they just know everything right.
And I think one of the problems misperceptions people have. They figure scientists aren't involved, when as we know they are, when actually maybe there are no scientific institutions that are tackling this right now, but the individual scientists themselves are very interested. No, there are scientific institutions. I mean, my one of my foretes is because in my background, I was lucky enough to work in the field of nuclear fusion for ten years and I spoke in the
United States Congress in nineteen nineteen ninety three on nuclear fusion. You know, I met a lot of people at NASA, very very high ranking people at NASA, and like Earl Van Lanningham, who was the director of NASA's propulsion, power and energy. And then later he became head of all space access in technology. Wow. And you know, I was around all these kind of people all the time, So I eventually got into dialogues with scientists and
what you find is NASA is a bureaucracy. It's a massive place. You can't get a consistent uniform answer about anything there because everybody has a different opinion. And depending on whom you go to, you're going to get you bring up the UFO question, You're going to get people who are program managers who are completely studying and following ufology very very seriously. And then you're going to get people who just say, you know, there's nobody out here but us,
So there is no uniformity something in an administration that large. But then you know, I got deep inside of Waukee Martin and who's now my friend, Boyd Bushman, the senior scientist who literally engineered the first super fast missiles, the Stinger missile, which later became known as Red Eye. He built this for general dynamics, and Red Eye was the first missile that had infrared sensors, that had heat sensors that could go and chase a heat you know,
another airplane in the middle of the night and hit it. He built all those systems. In fact, Boyd's missiles today can pull over eighty eight g's on a turn using and Boyd candidly on camera has given me two interviews, and in those interviews he's told everything about Roswell is all true except for that we shot it down, you know, and that we were chasing these UFOs all over the country for many, many weeks when we knew they were
here. But we didn't know we were chasing aliens. We just knew in a post World War two and environment that it could be the Germans, it could be anybody, and we chase them. And we had developed very very advanced weapons, you know, not bullets being weapons that we use to shoot down the Roswell flying saucer. So you know, you have a senior scientist from Lackey Martin. I mean, he says way way more than that,
right. I mean, for people who come to my lecture, you're going to really get to see a lot of what we really know about reverse engineer technology. And today the problem is, I mean, here we are, we have an environmental crisis. We're giving away most of our wealth to the Middle East for their oil, and we have technology that you know, the green movement says all we have is solar panels and wind you know, wind farms, right, But what we really have is zero point energy and anti
gravity. And this is what I really want to emphasize now is the need to really wake up. There's flying saucers everywhere. They're not all aliens, and you can't tell everybody who sees them that they're all crazy and they're all hallucinating. Right, I'm really there. Well, I want to talk. We're going to have to go to break right now, but when we come
back, talk more about that. The technologies that can be gleaned at, which is another area people don't realize why the study of this subject is so important, that there are technologies that can help save the planet that are being suppressed in the because of who knows why. But we'll talk more about that after the break. We'll be back with David Srita here again your host, UFO paranormal researcher and journalist Alejandro Rojas. All right, we're back, and
don't forget that. You can go find out more information about the UFO Congress at Openminds dot TV or Ufocongress dot com. We're talking with David Sirita about UFO technology. Is going to be one of the speakers at the Congress, and David, I wanted you to ask you that question, why do you
think that those technologies are being suppressed? Well, they're being suppressed. I mean it's actually a really complicated answer because first we say they're being suppressed, and then you know, when you talk to Boyd Bushman, who works at Lockheed and senior senior scientists for Howard Hughes text Instruments, he worked for General Dynamics, I mean and Lockheed for twenty two years and Lockheed is number one
in defense. There they built the F one one seven, the B B one, bomber B two, the F twenty two, the F thirty five, and all the cool process. Yeah, Boeing is nothing like Lockey. A lot of people don't know who Lockheed is. And he's telling me that as far as an Area fifty one, for example, they have the craft, but there's no funding. It's like a dirt poor funded, you know, research lab in places like that. They're trying to reverse engineer the technology.
I mean, they've had some success in reverse engineering, but there's no funding. And the reason there's no funding is because the four star generals who allocate funding in the military, they won't even listen when a scientist tries to tell them, well, we have flying saucers at Area fifty one. They won't listen. All they want to know is, how do you build me
a better missile? So that's what boy did you know? Boyd Bushman built missiles and he worked on airplanes and propulsion systems, and he literally shows us, you know, how much of anti gravity we have today, which we have a lot of, it is very radioactive and so that explains, for example, even the cash Landrum incident in Texas, which is where Lockie it is why Bitty Cash and her son and were radiated by the UFO that was
being pursued by helicopters, Well, it's because it's using radioactive fuels and resources. That was a sad and incredible story. And just for a little more background on that for the listeners. And these were these people on Texas who came up across a UFO, a diamond chap with some flames coming out of the bottom, and unfortunately they all suffered some terrible side effects from radioactivity in Fame, and I really believe that was one of our craft right it's being
pursued by And you look at the Stephenville case. Again, Stephenville is very close to the home of Martin. Lockheed Martin has bases all over Texas, and you're looking at Lockheed fighter jets, f wing fighter jets escorting a giant triangle, which is what the Stephenville UFO was probably nearly a mile wide.
And look at most of Lockheed's airplanes are a triangular shape, but this UFO, we are not shooting at it. And I can confirm with Boyd Bushman that we have a weapon that is so powerful which we use to shoot down flying saucers. We definitely would have used if we thought the giant triangle was
alien and flowing that low over Texas town. And then according to radar data sets, we find that the triangle UFO at Stephenville flew right over Crawford Ranch in plane view of the President. So obviously it was an escorted flight by Lockheed Martin, and that is technology that we actually have. So in order to kind of encapsulate your answer there, you're saying that the reverse engineering we've been able to do. They haven't been able to look into the energy type
of areas. Really, they've only been funded to figure out how to build weapons from the reverse tech reg Well, we've been able to build anti gravity craft. We've been able to you know, do a lot of reverse engineering work. But one of the things Boyd says is the craft, the alien craft are made out of materials that are not on our periodic table developments. And in order to understand and those elements and make them, I'll give you
an example. I mean, everybody knows the story of Bob Wizar an element one one five and the time of Bob Wizzar first going public in the eighties, I believe it was the early eighties. There was no such thing as element when one five. They hadn't even created it in the lab yet, and he gave us this long mathematical formula for the creation of element one one
five. Well, when Burke Lawrence Berkeley National Lab finally created the element one one five and it got listed on the periodic table, the math formula was nearly identical. I've seen both of the formulas and that was only four years ago. I believe that right. It's very New Alejandro. So we're looking at okay, that that rings really true. Well, that's according to Bob Bizar, the fuel that the craft us at roswell to produce antimatter to you
know, run part of the propulsion drive. Well, BOYD Bushman is telling me there are medals on the periodic table way beyond one, one, five, and there's just no money there. And the other problem he mentioned, and this is really critical, there is lots of money funding scientists and Department of Defense that are in the buddy system, meaning families and sons and daughters of families that have been getting military contracts for generations. And he said,
that's the problem. The good scientists that really know how to understand these alien craft and reverse engineer them are not the funding, and they're the ones who can really do it. But we were so stuck in this buddy system, just like in Congress, and just like you know, any kind of hierarchical system of just giving all the jobs and giving all the money to the buddies. So when the you guy comes along, he says, you know, I can actually do something with this. Well, boy says those scientists and
he knows them. He actually describes on tape when at Lockeed all these new you know, physicists who just got their PhDs come and they're all shining with their PhDs, and he says, he says to them, you know, I know, I don't want to hear from any of you about what we already know about space flight and their flight and propulsion and how you know, brilliant your professors are and your PhD, he goes, because we know that
and more here at Lockheed. What I want to know is how many of you can tell me something I don't know, and actually, how many of you are even interested in learning about something that makes everything you know completely obsolete? And when he puts that question in front of them, only twenty percent
of them are even curious enough to want to move in that direction. The rest of them they get, you know, computer jobs at Lockheed, and they get a retirement, and he just pass them on the back and says,
Okay, that's as good as you can do. But what they're really looking for are good minds that know, if they were to approach this craft, you know, area fifty one, they would really know and they would open the possibility that they actually don't know anything, right, because we hear from a lot of different especially theoretical physicists who have much more open minds these days, like Mitchell kaku Is when they're yeah, yeah, they do some
of them, you know, they talk about how we need to just rethink everything that we think we know. But here's another thing, Alejandro say. The public says, well, we wouldn't demand Congress fund you know, Area fifty one technology unless you prove to us it's there. With today's technology, obviously we could build a model flying saucer, and and people know that if we brought you into a museum and he said, here's the alien flying saucer
for model, no one would believe it. Correct. They wouldn't believe what they're even looking at. And so nobody believes anything anymore with YouTube out there, because people can do special effects videos and you throw a fake UFO in there with a real one, and then most people don't have enough experience actually seeing a flying saucer for real to know the movements and the way the real
ones actually move or don't move. So it's become much more complicated. And Bushman is telling me, yeah that the flying saucers are there, they're kept secret way out in the middle of the desert, and the alien bodies were taken to Los Alamos National Lab first, And that makes so much sense because it's so close to Roswell. But even if somebody showed you a picture, and I've been showed a picture of what is allegedly the real aliens at Roswell,
nobody would believe it. They just it doesn't even appoint in even showing the pictures because none's going to believe it anyway. Everybody's so cynical, which is so exciting to hear about Boyd Bushman, because there are some witnesses, some very credible witnesses out there talking about this stuff. But even like you're saying, even with these guys like Boyd Bushman out there talking, nobody believes
it still, which is but they will they here's what they'll believe. I'm going to show it my lecture at Glaflin for those of you who come my lectures. You know what. We're gonna hold on to that until we come back from break for a Director of Public Education handle. So we're here with David Sita and we'll be talking about UFOs and we'll be talking about Boyd Buschman and some of the incredible videos and information that David Sirita is going to share
when we come back from break here. And I'm really excited about the congress and to see your talk because not a lot of people have been able to see this exclusive information. Will be back in just a minute. Your host of Open Minds Radio, Avaljandro Rojas. All right, we are back. This is Alejandro Rojas and we are with David Sirita talking about senior Lockheed Engineered Boyd Buschman and David's presentation at the UFO Congress. You were talking about your
presentation and some new information you're going to be showing. We are one of the things that I've kept secret, you know, for you know, almost
not hers. Now are real blueprints that I have from you know, reverse engineering UFOs, from my own experience and from the confirmation of looking at there are certain photography that I have of real UFOs that you know, in certain video frames you can see right through to the center of the UFO and you can see the drive and then the next video frame out of thirty frames a
second of video, you don't see it. And what I saw in the center of the drive is so similar to what I have and what is consistent with what Boyd Bushman that Lockey Martin is saying as to how the anti gravity process works. And then some very very exciting new news of someone who takes a cross circle and spins it in three dimensions in an AUTOCAT program, and
his blueprints look almost the same as mine. So if the blueprints and they're really clear on these are not sketchy looking things, that we know how to do this experiment, and it seems to be confirmed from three sources that this is most likely the core of the drive. I've kept this Sigler for nine years, and I've had many people after I go on radio shows who say they want to fund my web and my research, and they never do. So I'm just going to make it public. You know, I'm exhausted on
the journey right now. There's so many other people out there who get funding to do the research, but I've never gotten any. So I'm just going to put it out there and then see if somebody who's serious and looks at it and says it's pretty obvious it's really worth pursuing this design and building it to find out if it is. Because if it does, it'll change the
world. Now. I know in some of your past videos and it was related to some NASA footage that you have looked at where there are some apparent UFOs filmed under I think infra red the ultraviolet. Oh, under the ultraviolet. And did that help you begin to develop this yeah? Oh absolutely When I looked at the waveforms that were strobing or pulsating from the UFOs, the
type of physics and studying the waveforms is very consistent. See, the whole idea to cancel out gravity is you have to transform the atomic state that matters in that causes it to be attracted to gravity. And so you just you have to transform because everything at the sub atomic level is about waves and particles.
And when you understand how wave functions work and what keeps them bound into certain laws of physics like gravity and inertia and space and time, you realize if you alter the wave function at the you know, the sub atomic or quantum level, then everything changes for that craft. I mean the craft that I saw in nineteen sixty eight at seven years old, I mean it didn't really move much. It was very stable, and the edges were not wobbly.
Like a you know, unstable spinning top like you've seen some UFO videos. It was locked solid and the thing just blanked out. It didn't accelerate, it didn't use any kind of thrusters or anything. It just went into another dimension in a blank of an eye. And that's what they do.
Our dimension, including the Earth atmosphere and also space. The fabric of space is too heavy to push against a high velocities, so when you jump out of the thickness of the density of the space time dimension, there's less pushing against you, so it takes where less energy to go super fast, and I think that's what they do. So when the real ones don't really move around all over the place. You see these videos on YouTube and they're flying
around like planes, those are obviously very fake. And when you're talking about them transforming their density and essentially I think you talk about, you know, moving to kind of a zero massed sort of state. Is this what also allows them to be transparent and why you can see those drives right, They eventually become translucent and just like shimmering lights, which is why they're more visible at nighttime, and then eventually they just simply disappear. From our spectra.
And that's why NASA's video cameras that look into the near and the far invisible ultraviolet that sometimes they show up there. Sometimes they show up on infrared infrared as good as the sky is cold. So if you have a winter day or winter night and the sky is cold, anything that leaves any thermal transmission of energy in the form of heat will leave kind of a signature on the
background of the atmosphere. And you can see that in the infrared. But in the summertime a hot day, infrared signatures or you can't find them. M h. It's best to do it in the wintertime. Now, I do want to talk a little bit about this NASA footage also because I know one of them that you use often where you can see these things very clearly, was in this NASA experiment where they had this tether tied to a satellite. Could you explain that video on what you saw there? Yeah, I
mean that this is this that you're looking at. Video confirmed that NASA has a special retrofitted camera and I I debated with James Olberg this this subject, and he's definitely wrong. He was saying that the ultraviolet sensitive camera is not an ultraviot sensitive camera. And and I got NASA's top scientist to admit to me in letters that the camera can see into the near and the far UV where humans don't see. And he said it was an off the shelf camera.
And I've got a letter on NASA stationary letterhead. I've never shown anyone this letter, and it's kind of my it's kind of my last joke on James Oberg. And it says the name and making model of the camera, and it is a test module. It is a it is a handmade, you know, specialty camera to see into those spectra. You can't buy it in the store. So James Olberg doesn't know what he's talking about. He was a former and control operator and ABC, you know, and news correspondent
for NASA. So he's just a dummy. And he doesn't have any access at NASSA at all. And I got the letter to prove the make and model of the camera. And if I ever decide, you know, it takes energy and time, and energy and time is money. I pay rent. I don't own a house, I don't own my car. I have car payments. And whenever you decide to take something on as a film or as a book. You know, you got your rent to pay. Right When somebody says, oh, why don't why doesn't David Stry to do this?
And why doesn't he do that? It's like, well, who's going to pay for my time? You know, I don't even have much of a savings in the bank. I just sell my films and my wife and I get by. And so they want all this, they want it all to happen. And it's like, you know who's going you know, who's going to be really serious and step up to the plate here and get into this because there's a lot of money sitting out there, and there's a law
of money that could be used to reverse engineer UFOs. There's there there's talk that even move On received a large amount of money from Bob Bigelow for reverse engineered technology. Then what happened? What happened to it? I don't know, yeh. I never have anything to do with these things. And what were they able to do with the funding? Yeah, Bob should be talking to you. Yeah, Bob Bigelow's talk to me. No, yeah, one day he will. But what did they film with that camera NASA?
Well that the debate is whether we're looking at dust and debris, which I find impossible because I've done numerous tests with different video cameras. I was a professional photographer for over twenty years and have owned so many different types of cameras, and it can clearly tell you with video cameras, if something is near the camera lens and you pull the zoom all the way, it literally just
disappears, especially if it's dust and or debris. And you can even take something as big as a dime and hold up in front of your video camera lens, you know, three inches away, and then zoom into the distance and the dime just turns into a blurry, you know, mass, and then disappears. So you look at the NASA video cameras on the STS seventy five tether incident that are looking into the ultra violet and the camera zooms all the way in on them, which means they're nowhere near the camera. They're
way out there somewhere. And the fact that they claim you can see dust at a great distance through the camera lens in space and it's in their bright spots and they survive a full camera zoom is ridiculous. There's just there's just no way that could be happening. And this is video that people can go to YouTube and see this NASA video and and so these objects very quality, far away. But the objects must be far away and very large, is
what you well, because they appear to go behind the tether. The tether is stated in the audio to be seventy seven to one hundred nautical miles away right from the cameras. And if they go behind it, because the tether is twelve miles long and it's it's sheath of ionized nitrogen gas that was released from the tether is why it looks like a neon tube. So it's probably at least a half a mile thick. So these things have to be big. But we're out of time, David, thank you so much for being
on the show. We'll be talking to you more next week. People can see him at the congress or see him on Openminds dot tv because we'll interview you out there also. But thanks for being on the show. All right, Alandro, think there you two tune in next week when we're gonna have Jime Moussan live from the UFO Congress. He's a Mexican journalist and he's got tons of Betty Good videos, very good UFO video, so tune in. Thanks for listening to Open Minds Radio, where we're bringing the UFO subject into
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