Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro Roja. Open Minds Radio is the UFO news authority, presenting evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Roja, Emma football player, which is soccer for those of you who don't know that. The rest of the world called soccer football because they all have weird accents like that football. All right, thank you for joining the show. This is Open Minds Radio, your UFO news authority,
and we have another incredible show. Good lord, people, is this good stuff? Today? We have David Eckhart and I don't know that I haven't really I've seen him out there that much. And this is a guy because I know a lot of you are fans of although a lot of you don't like the show too because they kind of you guys are like they're debunking stuff. Man. But Factor Fake, our good buddy Ben Hanson, who's been on the show, we talked to him once in a while, actually
went on this investigation. Ben Hanson being the lead investigator for Factor Fake. Although my favorite is Jaiel. I think she's gorgeous. She is so pretty. But David Eckart was a guy who said he had a lot of weird stuff going on. In fact, he had gotten some pictures in video that
the crew found interesting. So they went out there and they investigated his case, and although they felt they could probably reproduce his videos and pictures, they felt that he was such a genuine person that he was probably telling the truth. They also did an investigation where their equipment had electric problems, which was kind of weird. And he also talked about David worms coming up out of the ground in mass and they kind of experienced that themselves when they were doing
the investigation. They show this big load of worms, which is kind of gross because worms are icky, so it's kind of cool. And they didn't get a whole lot into a story because they were investigating. So that's what we're doing for you. We're going to fill in all those gaps and let you know what this guy's about when this all started, this phenomenon for David, what he's experiencing, and they kind of alluded to it but did not
give any details. How this gentleman feels he is communicating with these creatures that are interacting with him in very strange and odd ways. And then you might have seen notice on one of the videos they didn't get into this either. There's lots of strobing and lights and craziness going on. They didn't explain why he does that. He explained, he's going to explain to us what's going on here. So this is going to be a very interesting show, this
David Eckhart and the weird stuff happening to this. Gentleman, Well, you can decide for yourselves if you buy it or not. But either way, you know, if you haven't seen The Factor Fake, go check it out. It's really good because the first half has a lot of jail and then the second half has David Eckhart, so it's it's good viewing. We also want to thank the Arizona UFO Signings Group for having Michael and Antonio out at
their event this last weekend. For those of you who are brave enough to ditch your moms then go out to Kingman, Arizona to go see them talk. Actually you could could have gone and seen Michael and Antonio, then drove and driven home or flowing home and then seen your mom and flight back. For I think I had some events going on today. I think it actually ends today. They have stuff going on there, but Arizona UFO Signings dot Com was the event and thanks for having them out. They had a good
time. Also coming up a couple other things. You're going to be able to see Open Minds personnel at Roswell July First through the Forest, another anniversary of the Roswell event. Every year the city has a festival where they have a parade and they have speakers. There's a famous museum there and that's where we're going to have a table this year. This is our first year in
the museum at a table and at the timing. It's perfect because a couple of the contributors to this magazine were Stanton Friedman and Don Schmidt, who will also be at the Roswell Museum. So come to Roswell, pick up a magazine from us, go get it signed by Don and Stanton, and then you can get a group picture of me and Antonio and Don and Stanton and we'll do a straight picture and we'll even do funny face pictures for y'all.
Put like rabbit ears behind stan Friedman's head and it'll be a lot of fun. So come see us in Roswell UFO Festival roswell dot Com is the website there, but you could just put Roswell in New Mexico and you're gonna find it because it's the city's event and they got a lot going on, so that's gonna be a lot of fun. And then also later that month will be moufon the Mutual UFO network. And we're talking a little bit earlier. I've always called it moufon. Of course I was uh on their one of
their directors. I forget what kind of director they called it, but anyway, I've been part of moufon for a long time. But somebody was saying that, some people, I think it was even Jason said he heard people calling it mwfon. I hadn't heard at mew fonphon Mew Mew like the land of Mew. There's like a famous legend of some possible type of place called Mew, so maybe that's what it is. I don't know what this new stuff comes from. I think it's probably just someone with a weird accent.
It's probably the same people who call soccer football, so move on. Anyway. They have a symposium every year. This year it's going to be in Irvine, California, July twenty ninth through the thirty first, you can go to moufon dot com and we're gonna have a table there, so again you can come see us, hang out, shake our hands. And I know Stanton's going to be there, but some of our other contributors are be there. So otherwise, Antonio will sign your magazine for your a. Jason will
sign it. He's a regular contributor. And Maureene is writing something at some point right I think about the next magazine she has a review, so you can maybe she'll be there and sign that too. So it's going to be a lot of fun. Come see us as all these cool places this summer. Speaking of Maureene, she has an exciting what do you call it? Prize thing contest contest. That's the wird I'm looking for. She has an exciting contest going on right now. She just put up and that is win
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She's great, guys. So that's all the kind of personal business news going on where you can check us out out and cool stuff going on. So go check all this out, and as usual on the website, you can check out the news because we keep up with the latest and greatest UFO news headlined and we have the greatest and latest UFO news correspondent Jason McClellan here with us to tell us all about what's been going down. Hello Alejandro,
thank you sir, and greetings everyone. This is your Open Mind's newsbree for Monday, May ninth, twenty eleven. We'll start out with a sort of odd story from last week. A video was published to the internet last Monday, allegedly depicting an extraterrestrial who was supposedly recovered following a UFO crash, and these two sources claims to have received the video from an anonymous source, along
with the promise of six more videos still to come. The website allnewsweb dot com posted the video to their website and YouTube channel, with an accompanying story suggesting that the extra rust trial in the video could possibly be a survivor of the Roswell UFO crash. The Alien Disclosure Group also claims to have received the video from an anonymous source, and they too posted it to their YouTube channel
and their Facebook page. And you and I did some digging into this, Alejandro trying to get some more information about the video that was posted, and Grant Cameron from PRESIDENTIALUFO dot com also did some digging. And there's lots of strange things going on with this video. I mean, first of all,
from a technical standpoint, there are odd things. I mean, this video is a very it's it's given the appearance of being very old from the time of the forties fifties, so it's got all sorts of film grain and scratches and things in it, and it's got this strange projector clicking noise or something, and this all seems to be very artificial, but were added as a
special effect. The origin of the video is very strange. We were able to track it down and find out that while on these web and these other sites claimed the video, well, they put it up on Monday, we actually found somebody who put it up on Sunday, the day before, and that mysterious person since then has put up a video. I think it just went up today, a third video in this series. There's this other video
showing a UFO and a UFO recovery. And this third video went up today in response to articles that we have written, that Grant Cameron and others have written pointing out all the flaws and problems with these mysterious videos. And the video today was very strange, kind of has a message addressing people saying to all of you who are questioning the video, you're wrong. None of you are right. Yeah, and the broken English on this thing. So who
knows where it's from? Of course, like you said, it's kind of purporting to be from KGB Russian film, although well it was all news Web said it was his source, said Roswell, So that doesn't make sense. But yeah, there's Paul Robinson helped investigate this with us. But this first source, the one who put up the video today, seems to be the real source. And I thought what was interesting is they put up a video with the UFO and the crash UFO and the dead alien like in mid April,
right, and nobody paid attention. Of course, it's got the interesting puppet or model or whatever that might be, but it doesn't have the movement like the second video does, which is more interesting in the blinking of the
eyes of this alien and stuff like that. But still it seems like that nobody paid attention to their first video, so they went and publicized the second one a little more centered around to some popular sites and all these web is pretty popular, especially for posting anything into Russian videos recently that have to be the chicken and bread although all news websites it wasn't chicken and bread, that it was an alien and that we're trying to be tricked here, so right,
the chicken and bread story was the cover story. I've in zero three zero one, zero one three five, zero one three five, I've been zero one three five just for people who are wondering, you know, where the video is on YouTube if that was the original poster. So far that
we've been able to determine, and we've talked about this before. This YouTube site was created just for these videos, which is always a red flag, right, But you can go to our website open mindsot tv and read the article that has the details that we were able to dig up and some of the things we point out about these videos. And my thought is still that this is going to turn out to be some sort of viral marketing campaign for an upcoming movie or video game or something like that. A lot of people
are suggesting Super eight, but I doubt that. I don't think it's viral at this point because if you look at the viral things, typically when they come out, you know they're viral because just today, for instance, a Green Land and viral videos came up, or a viral websites. And the other is that even if they don't tell you, they tell you pretty quick and you make a good point. I mean, even Super eight they are doing a huge viral thing right now, but they have their own separate site
created for it. It's like Super eight Cutting Room or something like that, where they're putting these simulated old video clips up. Did you see the Lantern one too? That was a website put up that where these people are claiming to be an amateur astronomy type of group that believes in aliens and they're looking
for extraterrestrials. But there's ads and stuff and they tell you. Even from the Green Lantern website, check out our viral blox, so you know that it's all viral and everything, although it seems real, you know, with the characters and stuff. So this point, just because it's been so long, I'm not so sure it's viral anymore. It's a good point. So
it might be just like we've seen it before, this hoaxing stuff. Although foreign viral the Spanish viral video that came out a couple of years ago where it was a UFO and splash, it turned out to be part of a TV show. It took them some time to reveal until they had a making up television show to reveal that that actually was a viral video. So if this is Russian or something, maybe we won't know for a while. Lots of mystery around it. But yeah, because you really miss out on your
marketing if you don't tell people quickly. Because right now they've got all these people watching it. They tell me, oh, this is our viral video, and then everybody's going to go to their website to look out what the marketing is. However, if history is any indicator with the mainstream media, in another month, the mainstream media will pick up on it and blust it out as major news, breaking news that just happened. Yeah, we'll see,
we'll see. In other news, a new study suggests that Saturn's moon Titan may have a huge ocean of liquid water beneath its surface. The data behind the study was provided by NASA's Cassini Space Probe. This new study is the first to suggest that an underground ocean on is on Titan, But if space dot Com points out, it adds another line of evidence in support of this supposition, which could make an intriguing moon de intriguing moon a likelier candidate
to support life as we know it. Rose Marie Balland of the Royal Observatory of Belgium and Brussels is the lead author of the new study. Previous studies found that Titan's tilt and movement of inertia don't make much sense if the Moon is completely solid, but that the numbers could work out if the Moon has
an underground ocean. Ballot and her colleagues use the information from previous studies to launch their research, which led the team's conclusions that Titan's orbital behavior indeed makes sense if the Moon is assumed to have a solid interior surrounded by a liquid water ocean, which itself fits beneath an icy shell. So another discovery on Titan. I mean, Titan continues to have all these discoveries. And as you have posted a couple of stories, I think this let this just last
week about how Titan is possibly one of NASA's next missions. I think I posted one today too. I think that reiterated that type that might be one of the next missions too. And I didn't read the entire story because the story did have something to do with I think it was today manned missions. Yeah, I think you're right. That would be pretty cool, pretty interesting,
And they have on Titan before I found bodies of liquid. You know, they found a lake of liquid methane and ethane hydrocarbon in Titan's polar regions in two thousand and eight. That's not something you'd want to go swim in. And no, but this underground, underground ocean sounds pretty cool. Yeah.
How incredible would that be? An whole underground aquatic civilization. Yeah, you know, that's something that is sort of beyond our comprehension, but I think that's probably more common than we realized, some sort of underground worlds. Yeah, people think that. I think that's what's going on on the moon. Really, I do. It's an interesting theory. In political news, Denver held its mayoral election last week, and I'm sad to report that our
friend Jeff Packman did not win the election. Although Peckman made lots of headlines, he was only able to secure zero point seven percent of the votes, and that's just shy of eight hundred votes overall. But in a small victory, he didn't come in last. Candidate Ken Simpson only managed to get a few more than five hundred votes, so Peckman didn't come in last, so
that's a small victory there for him. As you may remember, Pekman gained national media attention last year with his ballot initiative for the City of Denver to create an Extraterrestrial Affairs Commission, and that initiative did not pass, so Pegman struck out again. But I have a feeling we'll be hearing more from him. So yeah, it was kind of funny. When I gave him a call to talk to him about it. I was like, I know,
you're probably busy today because the news had just come out. I was thinking he swamped with media and stuff like this, and He's like, yeah, I've only got a couple of minutes before my mom's gonna call and I gotta go pick her up from the store. And I was like, okay, well, and I didn't have too much time. But it was, you
know, ever the positive guy. Yeah, and looking forward to the connections he made because he really, because he's such a nice guy, made a lot of friends with the other candidates and with some of the other political leaders involved with the whole process and with the media. I mean, they were really nice to him. You can imagine how people could go crazy with this, and there was a lot of fun to be had, but still they were pretty nice to him. That's good. That's good. He is a
nice guy. Yeah, So we wish him the best in his next endeavor with that, whatever that might be. Yeah, well you'll know that, you'll hear it first here. I don't know, op Radio. He didn't spill anything to you. Is he can run for president? No Ah, he didn't spill anything. Well, keep me in the loop, yep. Well, I'm going to skip a story here. Hopefully our director Moreene can
keep up with me here. But MSNBC posted an article last week trying to poke holes and claims made by a San Diego based UFO hunter, Ed Grimsley, is known for his night vision videos that he believes to show UFO is shooting lasers at each other battling it out. MSNBC quoted Robert Schaeffer, a UFO investigator with the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry, as saying many of the objects
they're seeing are birds or bats or faint satellites in Earth orbit. Shaeffer further suggests that Grimsly doesn't understand how night vision goggles work and therefore doesn't understand what he's seeing. And I've seen Grimsly's videos, and I've actually gone on one of Ed Grimsley's night hunts or night skywatches, and there are a lot of strange things that you see through these military grade night vision goggles he uses, and even some of the attempts that this guy used to to poke holes in
what Grimsley says. I don't know if they're I doubt their UFO is battling it out, but you can definitely see these objects moving at high velocities through the sky. And yeah, you can definitely see satellites and things like that, but these other objects will be moving rapidly, then slow down and change directions very rapidly and shoot off another way, and they'll pass other lights in
the sky and they'll they'll interact with each other. Well, if you go look at this story that we posted, people uh with their The video that MSNBC put up with Grimsly's story is incredible. I mean, it's got some really cool things. You see this lit up object flying across and then totally turns around and goes back the other way. Now, I agree, there's I don't I could unfortunate that Grimsly kind of pushes that there's a battle,
right because there's no evidence of that whatsoever in these videos. And you know, even though he feels that way, and he feels maybe he's seen some stuff to relate that, but these videos don't demonstrate that. But they certainly demonstrate more than birds and stuff. With the Shaefer guy, it's unfortunate that they got a total skeptic who's just going to blow off everything that they've seen there, right, because the video is definitely interesting and I don't understand how
he could call those things birds and stuff. They showed a great video with him, and he also goes into talking about you know, saying that Grimsly doesn't know how the technology works, and he cites artifacts and things that are created by night vision, because night vision is you know, sucking you out from other stories. We know that, but he knows that you see these lights moving through the sky and changing direction and stuff, those aren't just artifacts.
Artifacts in night vision you've seen you can do it blinking and things coming in and out, but these are like lights turning on and off and you know, maybe kind of slight movement and stuff, but not an object that is flying across the screen and then going right back. And like I said, I've been on one of these sky watches with Ed Grimsley, and so has our colleague Maureene, and we both with these night vision goggles, saw many weird things. And we've seen a lot of things in the sky,
and we've watched a lot of video and this stuff. With the night vision goggles, you see some weird stuff. Yeah, it's interesting. It's not only Grimsley, of course, other people. We had the story we talked about the California I think it was Bresno video out there from several years ago, and then the Sun reposted it and said it was Dublin, Ireland when
it wasn't. It was actually in California. But still, that's a great big video with lights that are in a triangular formation going across the sky. There's a lot of really good night vision video out there. And I've looked with night vision videos and I've seen a lot of stuff I can't say for sure. I saw something I couldn't say it was a satellite for sure. But night vision is a way to go, people, I mean, watch the sky with some night vision. You'll see service see something, Yeah,
for sure. And right now it's a little expensive and difficult to attach a night vision to a camera to videotape, and it makes it even harder than looking through the scope. But people are still getting stuff right with that by doing that. Yeah, you're right, night vision is a way to go. You'll see some interesting things. This shaper is full of, full of I think he needs to go on a night SkyWatch. I think they're both
wrong. I don't think that we see him battling up there, and on the other side, I don't think we're just seeing bats and birds and stuff. Well said my friends, And in our last story for today, a seventy year old Chinese man sold many of his possessions in order to fund the creation of a UFO landing and greeting site, complete with cottages that will serve
as hotel rooms for visiting extraterrestrials. He's apparently looking for partners to help with his operating costs because suppose it, this thing is on a huge field and he's got like observation towers to watch this guy and he does this. He this guy is an engineer and he's the founder and chairman of the Delian UFO Research Society. Was established in nineteen eighty four, and the society apparently has
four hundred members. Yeah, it's funny that the quote by his wife that they used to have four apartments and he sold three of them to make them and now they live in a tiny apartment with very little room. But you know that it makes him happy. What can I say exactly, Well, that's great. This guy's really excited. Apparently they've they've been operating this this
place for two years now, and it's very expensive. And that's why he's looking for people to help run this thing, because he does out there and watch the guys and they're waiting for UFOs to come. Maybe I'll go join the team at one point. I like that on Twitter and Facebook from there, it would work. That'd be your UFO lookout. We could do the radio show from the tower. Yeah, that'd be awesome, excellent. Well,
all a hunter. That is it for the news. Remember to check out these stories and more at openminds dot tv, your source for U full related news. I'm Jason McClellan, your Open Minds correspondent, and you've been briefed back to you, Alejandro. All right, thank you, Jason. Wonderful news as usual, Just some incredible stuff going on out there, and it's a lot of fun. I mean, you got to keep up to
date on everything going on because there's so much going on. Oh. Somebody in the chat made a good point to use night vision in the day too, because I'll bet you you can't see some stuff up in the sky in
the day. That's a good point, my friend. The other thing the Shaffer guy said that I remember is that he said you can't see anything and night vision that you couldn't see with binoculars, and anybody who's looked at the nights with binoculars and then with night Vision know that that is absolutely false false. Mister Shaeffer, you should be ashamed some of the other stories going on
on Open Mindset TV. I mentioned earlier that we have more UFO case files, revealed the Michael schrat stuff that he puts up there, the pictures of UFO sightings that have happened in the past. So we go through all of these great UFO sidings and then recreates them, and that's part of that poster.
You can win by tweeting and facebooking our message that you can see up there on a Facebook and Twitter. So also, I kind of had an interesting encounter earlier this week with some flares over the very Goldwater Range, and you know, I am shocked. You've heard me on the show when we've talked about the Phoenix lights before, and I've talked about how that ten o'clock sighting, you know, the last one. A lot of the UFO researchers say that those were flares, and I'm like, hey, I live halfway
between Maricopa and Goldwater Range. There's no way if there were flares over my house they couldn't see them in Phoenix. I have found myself to be dead wrong. I saw flares, and maybe they were doing this because of you
know, practicing just in case something happened with Osama retaliation or something. But there were flares for a couple evenings, and I got some pictures and videos and I put those up, and these flares are so bright and they're so high that actually it does seem as though they probably could have seen these from Phoenix. I'm not saying certainly not the entire Phoenix light phenomena was flares just
as ten o'clock. Because you know, what some people think is that, you know, people had these UFO sidings all day long across the entire state, thousands of witnesses, and so what the military did was drop some flares at ten o'clock so that they could say, oh, you know, those jokers just saw flares. So and I always thought there's no way there were there were flares, But maybe those were flares at ten o'clock. I am admitting that I could have been wrong. You know what, you gotta follow
the evidence. I don't know for sure. I wasn't there people, but it's possible, and that's something to think about, I think. Anyways, you can see the videos and the pictures up at our website website, if you want to take a look for yourself, especially if you saw those ten o'clock lights, you know, go check this out and see if maybe this is similar to what you saw and let me know. And if you think you saw something totally different, then that's some good information for us to know.
All right, guys, what I need you to do now is prepare for this great interview with David Eckhart. This is gonna be a lot of fun because he's just certainly this is new and this is different. And then, like I said, Factor Fake walked away believing that this guy's probably telling the truth. So let's listen to our great guests tonight. David Eckhart, all right, well, thanks for talking to me today. I'm excited to you, especially after watching the Factor Fake episode. So I guess my first
question would be when did these experiences start? Did they start in this home out in Florida? And you know, I had I had my first experience. I was about maybe nineteen years old, out in the woods with some friends and it resulted in chasing one of these entities. I didn't know what it was that I was chasing, and well it started out that we was.
You know, I'm down to golf Greas, Florida, and I had a friend I mentioned his name, but he was showing me and my other buddy around and he took us out to these woods and we was on through this, you know, the woods, and we ended up stopping the car and I was sitting in the back seat and I seen this light go down behind the trees and uh and uh, I always just joking, I was. I said, look, guys, the UFO. I was just joking, and it looked like it was strange, but uh, but it was
like over the top of the pine trees and uh. When we all looked at it, and it just kind of disappeared. But my buddy said, you know, there's a pond over here. Let's go build a fire by the pond and enjoy it. And so as we was got out of the car and we was following him through the woods, Uh, I noticed there was a light to the woods and uh, but it was off in the distance and it looked like maybe a flashlight or something like that, and uh, and I kept asking him. He said, Oh, there's people that
come out here, you know all the time. It is probably to somebody. And as we got closer and closer to the pond, they kept moving in a little closer to us, but it was showing up in different spots and uh and then uh to get over and uh, which are gathering would to God a fire. And it kept getting closer and closer to us. And then I'm thinking, and you know, there's whoever it is, that they're not too far away. But uh and I ended up losing sight of
it. And then me mother, buddy Bob, we were sitting there talking and uh, and all of a sudden I seen this thing. It came over the pond and it flashed and uh, it dropped down in one right by my ear. I could hear the swishing sound of it. One to find my buddy's face and uh and and uh he fell back down on the ground. It can't suppose I could have called it my right hand. Well, how big was it was by the side of the softball, maybe a little bit bigger. But uh, it had like a little red light to
it, and I had two white lights that would light up. It almost looked like a i'll miniature face or something. Wow, But uh, but it wasn't. It wasn't illuminating like it was a light light, but it was it was like it was glowing, but it would pulsate as it would move around. And uh it went straight back up to the top of the trees and flash long the time it took off, and I'm like, wow, see that, said, yeah, what was that? I don't know? And uh and and that got my curiosity as that was weird, you
know. But my my other body that was he was gathering wood at the time. He didn't see it. And uh so going back togethering wood and I was sitting and looking around for it the whole time, and all the time I seen it moving through the trees, and I told the guys, you know that there it is. So I took off running through the woods. All had on was part tennishes in the jeans, and I was burrowing through briers and everything else, chasing interesting to the woods, and and it
was throwing in and out of the trees. You know. It's like I was thinking to me it was remote control or something, but I couldn't make out what it was. But then I lost sight of it, and I stopped and I was looking around and it was right above my head and it flashed in the eyes like that somebody was taking your picture. You know, everything gets blacked out for a second, and then it took off and I wasn't chased. I went to chase it for fifteen or twenty minutes like that,
and uh, I finally went into the water. And then my buddies came out with Chase out behind me, and he said what was And I'm trying to explain to him what it looked like. And I had another friend, you know, the the guy that was with us. He said, let's just go, let's just leave. And uh, it's the first time I've been in these woods, so he says he wanted to get back to
his car and let's just leave. Well, anyways, we ended up it was like on the other side of the pond at this time, and uh we was trying to find this car that we barked out in the woods and and uh, I got the best look at this orb or ball or whatever you want to call it. And uh, and those guys are walking behind me and they was trying to figure out where they parked the car. But
I was involved in talking about this ball of light. And now of a sudden, Uh I looked up and there was this guy standing about maybe thirty feet away from me, and uh and he stood still as soon as he seeing me and I seen him, made eye contact and anounced no, staring really hard because you know, it was kind of dark, and uh, I couldn't tell if it was an owl or a deer and then or somebody had a mask on and then uh so, I yelled and it took off
running. So I went chasing after this guy, and uh I caught up to him real quick. I could clearly outrun him wind uh so, but I had a whole self back from running behind him because I didn't know what he was. I didn't want to touch him, but he was and he was running. Look, he wasn't like bending at the knees. He was like running on his toes, like he was really light, and you could
smell him with the breeze breaking off of him. What didn't look like then when he got close to it, when I was looking at the back of his head and I was chasing right after him, he reminded me of one of these little kid that had that old big you know, accelerated old man's disease, And that's what it reminded me of but but I noticed the skin was like a grayish color, you know. It was like you know, you could sort of like patchy and look like it was maybe veins, but
now that's for sure. I was just kind of like, you know, holding myself back when I'm running, you know, right behind him. I could have tackled him, but I couldn't very much thought to do it because I didn't know exactly what it was. It was like, you know, like touching a spider. You don't know. I was like, I was holding my back the whole time, and uh, and it's in there thinking, I mean, and I think, you know, I'm just scaring this
thing, you know. And uh so I started going a little bit slower and it kept on going and it cut a round around his bush and my buddy, Bob, he cut up right behind me, and uh he said, which which way to go? And I said, go run the bush that way and uh and we met up and it was gone. And uh, knowing everything I know now, uh that these guys have a cloaking ability. Uh, he was probably still there and we didn't even know it.
Did your buddy see that little guy at all? Yeah? He saw him, but he didn't make out as well as I did, because I mean I was right up on him and those guys were probably about thirty feet behind me, and this guy was thirty feet in front of me. The entity
or whatever you want to call him. But that was the first time I've seen anything like that, and uh, well, we ended up finding the car, went back to town, and I made the mistake of doelling, hey, we think we saw an alien and they're not green, you know, and and they're like, oh, come on, Dave, you know it's like but true stories. Uhhw what was this? It was eighty Yeah, it might be eighty nine or yeah, might have been nineteen eighty nine.
I don't quote. You know, there's a lot of things that's happened between that time. But but my buddy wrote down the story as soon as we got back. You know, we thought it was really cool that we've seen something like that. But no, I didn't see the crack, but I did see an orb but and we did see the light above the trees. We didn't know what it was. And then you run into this guy. Are you still friends with that buddy who saw that entity? Also?
Yes, does he is he willing to talk about that night with you sometimes or does he kind of just because sometimes No, people just don't want to talk about that kind of thing. No, we talked about for years. It was almost twelve years went by. I mean for about two weeks at that instant. I had dreams like like that whole scenario over and over and over again every single night about two weeks. But us, Yeah, we talked about it several times after that. I think they kind of held us
together because we experienced it together. And you know, he has the family now and he lives out of the state. I think he's in New York. I talked to him about a year ago, and yeah, he would he'd be willing to talk about it because he's the one who wrote it down on paper. I had the original chet a notebook paper he wrote on it with the days and everything that was actually I gave the lines stricklers down,
paintings and monsters and he posted it. But sold you say that stores you've also been, uh then since then communicating or getting messages from from these things? And when did that start? Well? You know, yeah, you know, not the family and I'm friends that've been with us. We've seen crafts and and UFOs. You know, I'm not really impressed by I'm gonna let they're up close. And we did see one that was up close down at the Shoreline Park and uh, golf Breeze. But this thing was two
longest I mean it was wow, it was big. It covered up the whole bay and uh, there was like twenty six witnesses down there. What did that look like? It looks like a big, big triangle. And and what happened is, uh, after we were I dropped a friend off at his house. They're in golf Breeze, and I stopped at troll Line Park to use the restroom. And as I came out of the recuum, everybody was screaming and yelling and getting in the cars and feeling out. I'm
like, what's going on? You know? And then I looked over towards say it was just craft there. I mean, it was the biggest thing I've ever seen in the sky, the biggest thing. And I reached my
front one day and rat out the spinaclar. My wife is still sitting in the front seat, and uh, and I pulled out the binaclar and I, uh, I could see details of this craft, I mean highly detailed, and there was a big window there must have been eight foot tall by twelve foot and I cheans which looked to me like humans walking up to this glass window looking back down on us. Wow. And uh, two lights dropped out of it then took up to the west and often this this whole
craft vaporized right in front of everybody. You could still see it there. I could still see it there, but you can see the stars through it. And then like the eight minutes forty four seconds later that they recorded how some people are down there, it reappeared and the two lights came from out of the east and won't write back up in it in it and it repeated the same process again, did not make a single noise. How big would you estimate this thing? Uh? While the two miles day, damn,
I know you couldn't. You couldn't see the stars with the sitting there. Uh huh. They covered up in the whole bay across it there and the people out. Yeah. I think it was like it was the end of the world or something. Wow. And when was this was its? Uh? I don't remember the day you think of the nineties or they had to be in the nineties, probably a lot of signings for a while out there.
Yeah, they had Walter's case and everything. And by the way, a lot of people say they like that, but I've seen three of those crafts together. And uh, matter fact, an old guy that actually showed me a picture he had three of them in the same pictures, So that that's a really ufo. You see, you see all kinds of strange things in the sky down here. So I guess so so and then uh uh with the communications, when did that start up? Did it? Was it
somewhere around this time? Well? Uh, I wait, we moved in this I bought this house on golf Breeze and uh, not too far from the woods that I had my first experience. Uh. I wanted the kids to grow up and no play in the woods, so I did when I grew up. But it's all I wanted. Done the experience it too, But thanks. Uh no, okay, I've done got two other houses that
to that. But uh but you know, just before, years before, maybe a year before I moved out of that Golf Breeze house, I remember I was in the kitchen and now my wife was cooking supper and at one deliverum sat down. I've seen this thing that came out of the kitchen behind me, and one down the hallway and went to my bedroom. But it was transparent. Now I'm thinking, you know, that's the first time seeing anything like that. I was just thinking that maybe I sat down too fast
or something. But it was moving pretty quick. It looked like I had a bunch of bouncing balls in it. That's the first time I seen that aspect. But when we moved out of the house of Golf Breeze to the golf course in Milton, Florida, which is only about fifteen or eighteen miles away, we started seeing that stuff again, but they looked more like operations or ghosts, and I think in that factor fake you described it as kind
of like the Predator movie where it was kind of see through. Is type of that you can tell something there exactly, and it wouldn't be just one or two of them. I mean there would be lots of them moving through and uh yeah, moving to the house, or one was laying in bed at night the French to start cracking and popping really loud. Uh that you would hear like a each snow, like burnt up orn going on. Uh, and you would feel a temperature change or a draft, just like you
would think it was poultrygeist. Uh huh, and uh you know I'm this time, I'm you know, I moved in this house and thinking, okay, I you know, you reach a time in your life where you think you got everything together and uh, you know, everything smoothed out, you
know, and then this stuff really starts happening. And this house is on a piece of property that was seventeen acres big, and the houses like right out in the middle of it was surrounded by woods, and then they ended up developing it all around us. But uh uh, you know, you know, we hear things at night. I wake up and you hear all the chanting doors in the kitchen slamming and crashing and stuff like that, and
I run in there, nothing's going on. Or we would wake up in the middle of the night and the room would be lit up like a pink or a blue color teple. Different times. There was a different color each time, but you would think it was morning time and you look out the windows. It's pitch black. You know, it's just two thirty in the morning. And we're like and then the light would just pumm down. You couldn't tell where the light was coming from where you know, it's smell like
that burnt popcorn smell. Or or you'd be laying in bed and you could hear people whispering back and forth, you could hear music playing in the ounce. I tore apart the house, look into the register events and this is fact. There was a block radio or something or it's not like maybe somebody was parked outside the house and with the radio going and it would be music anywhere from nowadays music to uh maybe the playing buoyant thirties. You know,
uh would you read with the music? Some of the music? I would like another big music fan. So but uh, I don't even watch much TV. I mean I read movies and put them in but uh yeah, okay, so, but I pretty much concentrate on work. But things would was starting to get escalated. You know, it was my wife is saying, man, this is weird. Maybe I'm you know, I don't believe. I didn't believe in ghosts at this time. That's maybe the house is
haunted. The kids were reacting with my wife was getting pictures of strange things. I'm polaroid. You know, like orts and stuff like that. My daughter was and and then she got this picture one time that was like a couple of people was looking in the window and uh, which really got my attention because it was on a polaroid and it was two stories up in the air the window. Whow Okay. So my friend said, well, I'm going to get a camera, and I got a VHS camera and we played
around with that. We started catching things on that, but uh, it was always really fuzzy and then it looked, uh like ghosts and that's all we got to go to clear it up, get something better. So I got one of these dotchi uh camera, So it was like an eight hundred zoom disc. You know, it was high tech for me. But uh but uh we saw every boarding and catching them, so you know, but
it wasn't always that clear. You know, you could say, well maybe it was this, maybe it was that, or maybe it was you know, the lighting and then uh and then uh uh I just worked my way up to doing experiments like said, the camera up in the bedroom and and and do what I would get and that would run this thing every single night because things were happening over and over and then I started catching things and then uh and then uh, I think that the entities that was visiting us,
Oh God, for wherever they come from. Uh, they started catching onto that we knew that it was there. And I think they started testing necessarily like a game of chess. They would do something, then I would do something back. Uh, and every experiment that I would use, and some of the ones that would work within twenty four hours, I wouldn't be able to re use that same experiment again that they would improve. Uh. They don't like you know video. But yeah, have I talked to him?
Sure, we tried talking to him first. But they don't really talk to you unless they feel it's necessary or they're gone again something from it bullying me. I'm not that special that they're going to come out and they tell me where they're from, who they are, Well, what kind of Uh then how do they communicate with you? And what sort of things do they tell you? They've they told me things about what was going on in my family. Uh, they told me some teacher advance. Uh they come true.
Well, I think everything's come true, and the biggest one that that they showed me uh has not happened yet. But it's on its way. Yeah, I mean it depends what you consider scary, whether some sort of catastrophe or something. Yeah, you know, we got some time. Now, we have some time twenty twelve. You know, I looked at everybody asked me about that, and it doesn't sit in So No, I think I think we got possibly maybe my speculation eighteen years left really just my speculation.
Right, there's a lot of things that will kind of happened between that time too. So now you said that these things you're hesitant to call them aliens, and you kind of do, but you're not sure where they come from. Well, there's a there's a possibility. I heard somebody talking about the latrinal system and it's not a place outside our solar system. I think it's
a maybe dimensional possible. And and the way they were talking is like the government knows about them, so that they I'm not saying that that's where they're from, but it would fit into what I've seen and what was going on, so that that they're possibly dimensional. But they able to open uh this natural barrier up and be able to come in to our dimension. It's possible. Now they do find it amusing that we call them aliens. They chuckled. Okay, now does it seem like they have a sense of humor.
You say that you kind of trick each other back and forth type of things. Yeah. They I was living in the house I am now, and they came and visited me, and and they was right on time, just like they said they would be in month of April. And uh, because they was coming to check out. That was last April. They was coming to check out. Uh, some stuff that was happening, like the volcano that erupted to be peaceful that they told me about. And uh in some
flooding in Tennessee, if there was come and checking out. But uh, but there was three of them, the grace that was staying by my doorway. I'm laying the bed, and uh, there was one of them was talking to the other one and he says he called the aliens, and then they started chuckling. So I had me bubble open my head. So if they're not aliens, what the heck are they? So with this communication that happens, is it is it like people describe a mental thing or are they
you can hear them like the music? No, they know what I'm thinking and and I'm guessing that it might have to do with some kind of implant that reads you, because they're not fully correct all the time what I'm thinking, but I think that they can read it in such a way that they can pretty much get it good, you know, speculation of what you're thinking. Uh. Some of them seem to be telepathic, but I don't know if it's because they all have implanting them and that they communicate with each other
that way, or or or what. But they just seems to be that way. I'm not I can't read their minds, but they know what I'm thinking still, and they'll talk about it when I'm thinking about it. Oh, but they will talk verbally, so there'll be a stand. English is like the language of the birds. It's a universal language, and not all of them speak it. And Reptilians seem to be speaking pretty good, and the grace and to both speak it too. I don't know. I don't
understand. Now I've heard these stories that they communicate telepathically. I don't understand that. But the guys speak pretty well English. Say, a Reptilian, is this something that you've seen up close? Also? Oh yeah, oh yeah, they've handled me. Really, how big are they? Uh? And we're from from five what they do to seven foot? Tell? And they eat fish rotten fish don't smell very good. Uh, and they'll get it all over. And they're easy to pick out when they're in even when
they're invisible. Uh huh uh because they can clothe themselves. They can be fully invisible. You willn't know they were standing in a room. And I did an experiment. I know how to expose them. H absolutely work every single time. So and what is that I use a fog machine? Okay, because I noticed, And that was going to be one of the questions before I get to that. Though some of your videotaping and the methods you use, how many different types of entities do you have you seen? Well?
I can now well I call them maybe a species because of because there's more than one of them, and some of them that they look pretty messed up. I don't call them species because they've only seen one of them, or they might be genetically altered. There's humans that live with them, but they might be genetically engineered neared humans because they help them. They're they're treated like their class citizens and they don't have the best living quarders. They and
they do whatever they're told to do. And you guys are very interested in now archeological digs as well. They're looking for the same answers as we are. They're looking for technology. I think maybe some forbidden archaeological stuff that they're looking for. I've seen some things what they was doing, and they had like labor camps going on down there. So there's multi different types of reptilians. There's a scary looking type of relian that looks like us, but they
look reptilian. And then they get the other kind. They look more like a between a frog and a silver back ape without the hair. They get the long arm, short legs, and they even walk around their fists and their legs until they walk up to each other and they'll stand straight up until so quite a few and then who's what's the hierarchy like? So you said these human types are kind of the lower class. They're the ones that's more
like the silver bag They frog looking. Some of the guys they call them frog looking because they have more of a frog looking face and pretty stout. There's about seven floors, maybe a little bit taller. You want to they do have weapons. Uh, and they're they're pretty big. They can pick me up on my arm picks and carrying me out of the house. Uh. For they're pretty strong. Uh huh. And that's on the floor when they're carrying me out. And how are these guys kind of workers too?
No, they're more like a run the gate. They seemed like maybe black march market or military. Huh oh they uh they they don't seem to care for humans very well. Uh, they're to be in charge. I have not figured that out. I've asked them many times to let you talk to somebody in charge. Let me tell you, I just upset them every time I do that. So really So, then, although you said they're like these big guys, are I don't seem to me I think much of humans
at least it doesn't seem like they're they're treating you too bad? So are any of them like I guess they're they're nature benevolent? Rich is malevolent? I mean? Are they more indifferent to people? Are some of them very loving to people? And do some of them you think are doing really bad things? Possibly killing people? Well that's where I can describe it. Because
you go to a shopping mall. And to say that everybody in that shopping mall is good loving or or murderers or raping, or hateful or very lowful, that would be discriminating. They're all different. They all have their own personalities. Some of them are I would call human hungers and some of them I would they couldn't care less if if you live or dies. And but that's true. Uh, I'm sure I can't. Everybody asked me, are they good or bad? Well, we'll depending which one I met from that
that seemed like they had an interest in me. But uh, they always rotated them they so no way would get attached to their job that they were doing, you know, to to me. So they would rotate every two weeks to every three months, depending on what they was doing. Attached which sort of entities were the human huggers, Uh didn't matter. It could be uh their grace. But they don't really talk much. Uh they're pretty much off on the sidelines deserving or or whatever. But uh they had some that
that uh see to be pretty smart. They talk like me and you, but they talk about about human rights and and and that. You know, it was like if I guess now we have laboratories that we have animals in there, and then you got these people that would go in there and set them all free and stuff that they're kind of like that. That's what they remind you of. Uh. So what they always show them off like go away, you know, there's steal our work, right, so and have
other family members then also seen and communicated with uh these beings. Well, when the stuff started first happening, and I was still thinking it was ghosts and stuff, Uh, my son would sit in the room with me and my wife and we would wait for him to show up and uh and we would interact with them. That's a matter of fact. It was the first time I touched them and uh and we would touch them and then interact with them and uh because there was in a transparent state and they feel like they
what static electricity, That's the only way I can describe it. But that's before they was becoming more solid. They just started doing that as time went on, I guess to see what we could handle. That's the only thing I can guess why they were doing that. So they acclimated you to their to their presence right exactly. And then uh then as uh uh time would go on. I would lay in bed at night like it was asleep, and uh, they're impatient. There are creatures of habit. They're predictable.
So it was easy for me to do some of the things I did because it was predictable. And uh. And they would come into the room that they thought I was asleep and then come and get me out. But they would be in solid form mm hmm. This is not that sleep priorlessis or whatever. This is not that because I would lay there and and they've moved things to pick up things. They would look through my drawers at night. They would uh, they would talk back and forth. But they've never taken
anything but a couple of DVDs of mine. Wow, and what do they do with those? They got some pretty good video and they know what I have, and they took some of my best ones. Oh so they took the video of you videoing them? Right, Okay, I come of them. They altered mm hmm and then returned right. But they ended up taking
them back too because they were so poorly done. Interesting, so they kind of they sound very much like people, I mean, just regular people, exactly bumbling and screwing up and various different personalities amongst the different species exactly, but that they're not any They conduct themselves pretty close to like us, but their culture, the way they do the things are way different. Matter of fact, we would not get along with them if they was here. Why
is that? What are some of the differences? Keep some of those things for myself. But but yeah, we were a bit at war. And if if anybody is that the government knows what I know just one eighth, they'll never be disclosure never. So I mean they're not they're not bad, but they just don't fit in, you know. I don't care how many times you see them. It's hard to take your eyes off of them,
because it's hard to believe what you're looking at. And I aduced one of my friends to him, and how conveniently he's dead right now because his house blew up by a gas leak. But he touched him. And he was a big, old early guy. He was one of my employee's and a good friend on top of that, you know, and all tattooed up and real tough guy. And I was telling him about it and he was like, David, you sounding psychotic. I says, no, you've got to
come over and see this for yourself. And he's like, well, if I come over, they're not gonna bother me, are they? Because you don't believe me, then then you ain't got nothing to worry about. You anyways, you decide he's gonna come over that night, and uh, he said, okay, about one thirty of the stuff starts happening. And you know, I brought him into my bed. You me and my wife. We sat on the bed and we waited and we waited and we talked and
outside you so the cold draft. I go it too, and uh and a sudden they started coming into the room, and uh, he says, what what I said? There they are, and uh he started getting these tears through his eyes. And he's like, oh my god, Dave, I'll never doubt you again. And I said, you can touch him. You touch him. This is cool. You know, he's to him and he's got tears on out his I you today, I cannot believe this.
You know. Well, about about thirty minutes or so, we've messed around with them and everything, and I've you know, shown different things about them. And then they leave and he went to bed. He slept on the couch that night and uh, next morning I got up, I wanted to and welcome up this Hey, he said, what do you think about last night? He sat up and he looked at me, said, David, you thought we suggested me to see that. I'm like, how did I
do that? You touched him? You wasn't there? You experienced it, but it wasn't. He didn't deal with it very good. After that, I felt kind of bad that I should have done that, but I just had to show somebody, you know, so so but he was a good friend of mine, and uh, he's not with us anymore. So wow, So how do you handle because it seems like, you know, uh from the TV show, you have a really nice house, your house looks really nice. Uh, you're successful and you're able to go about your regular
life. Uh how do you do that with also all of these experiences? It was tough at first. Don't don't get me wrong. It was Uh was interfering with my concentration at work because I really love what I do, and I'm a hard worker and I enjoy what I do. And I enjoyed meeting the people and making their dreams come true. That's what I do for
a living. And uh, and Uh, I look at everything very scientifically, and there's got to be if if I wasn't checking the craziness of what I was seeing, if I couldn't do my experiments and try to get down to the bottom of what was going on, to be almost take me preventually. Ghosts. Uh, the will wasn't hurting family, it wasn't hurting us. It was making a lot of noise. They'd taken us out of a house. And one night that they brought my children down to my bag.
You want to throw them across the foot of my bed. Uh, there was a left killing there and Uh. I sat up in the bed as my son daughter was laying across the foot of the bed. Uh in like a complete state. And uh he looked at me. I looked at him. He says, does this pou to you? I didn't want to blow it, so I told him, I God, I trust you. And they Uh, they carried us allow out of the house. There. What did they do with you when they take you out of the house. They
taken me to so many different places. Uh they I mean they've taken blood from me, They've taken things out of me and looked like liver Uh. I watched the foot jumping into my right heel on my foot. Uh. I watched them the surgeries something and uh uh some of it was barbaried. They seemed to know what they're doing, so kind of thank you guys like guinea pigs. Right. They always separated us. Uh uh, you know
it'say they've taken me in. When they taken me and my wife bought the house, we were able to talk back and forth to each other as they was tearing us. How the house the first time that we were totally conscious when I took this out. Were you guys freaking out at that point? I'm sorry? Were you freaking out? When they're caring you both had the
house, you could talk to each other. Oh, because when it was in there, we was like hearing like growling and talking going on, and uh and we was in there looking at So this is when I was trying to figure out it was bad or good. So uh, I asked,
either are you bad or you're good? They were still in this transparent state and it was I don't know where the growling was coming from, but you could see the operations that looked like the predator type operation and uh, all of a sudden, in three seconds of asking that my feet I mean I didn't catch down to it but at first, but my feet just started going n and wanted to my legs, up to my ears and up to my foresto you know, and all the way up to my head. And it's
like it was like like being an olymp biscuit. You know. It's like you couldn't move, but it felt good at the same time. And uh, and it was like hard to move him out, but I could still talk to my teeth. I'm like, oh, my god, do you feel that. My wife was responding by go, Oh'm like that, yes, you feel that too, you know. Now of a sudden, Uh, they picked us up out of the bed. They didn't float me.
They picked me up under me the armpits. And I'm like, I feel like a dangling doll as it. But you have a sensation though floating, but they're not. They're carrying yet. And they carried us right through this port hole. And as soon as we went through it, Uh, it
was like it was pitch black. He couldn't tell what was up or which was down on the sideways, and then up ahead in the distance there was a light like another doorway, and since we passed through head, it was like it was outside and I remember seeing it looked like a airplane hangar, like concrete squares for pavement out there, and there was these three cubicle looking
buildings. They carried us through societies and there was the like reptilian looking doctors and blue scrubs and the bed folded out of the wall and it was standing there at the attensions, and they carried me through the first cubicle, which was maybe a ten foot by fourteen foot long right run at Vicinity, but I know it was like a white It looked like it had maybe pagging on the walls, and I had a window that I could still see out the
window at the airplane hangar looking thing. And they carried me as the first doctor, and I'm assuming that my wife was in the first one, and then they took me a second but I don't remember anything after that, which totally blank. I remember going to work the next morning and I was like carefuway to work, and I remember that that happened. Then I called my wife up. I said, hey, to you, did that happen last
night? And she was like, yeah, that half last night and we were trying to talk back and forth, but I had a hard time and concentrating at work that day too. Yeah, I'm bad. Now, why you because it does seem like this stuff is centered around your family or you in particular. Possibly do you have any sense of the reason why I thought I was dead? Man now understanding? No, No, I don't.
I don't know why. I've asked that. And h one night that they took me out and I asked the rectang lit a female and they drove me to the end of my bed, you know, they pulled my blankets off me up to meet the armpits and drugging me to them in my bed and uh, and it was like a porthole, stargate, whatever you want to call it was open up behind her and she was standing there and she had the smirk on her face, and uh, I asked her this, why
you're doing this? And uh, she just turned around. So I walked away and just because you're special, and she just kept on walking, And I said, bull craft, I gotta have a better answer than that. You know, it's you could tell anybody that you know what I'm saying. So but but that's true story that's the only answer they give you, though, huh right, They never give me no direct answer. Uh, it's hard to get things out of them, but they they they tell me some
things, but they show me things. And now you've got some videos on the internet, and uh, you know, some of them showed on the factor faked. And one of them is pretty straightforward, the one which is probably the most impressive, and they seem to feel so too. Where you have your camera set up over by the door of the bathroom and it's recording a security mirror, so you could get the whole room, and then in pretty near the camera by the bathroom, you see what kind of looks like
a great kind of peek around the corner. All right, Yeah, that was It was almost a two and a half hour flight. But when I got up that morning, I never seen it happen. I never seen it. But I got up that morning and I always took my camera, and they said there was data that was damaged on it, but the camera gave me an option to rebuild the lost data. So I don't know that much about my camera, but so I said, well, there might be something on and so I hit the button and it was still working on it by
the time I left the word, so I just let it go. So when I came back home from work, it was actually just finishing up rebuilt in the data. So then I took the camera into my office and I looked up to the computer and everything was still blamed all the way up to
the very end. And I've seen a flash of light. And so I kept going back and forth, back and forth, and I couldn't find it now and it showed up, so I saw I had to go frame by frame I happened and a half a second, so I had this program was when DVD number seven, but anyway that I could break down frame by frame by second by you know, there's thirty frames in a second, so me, that happened in those fifteen frames of that second. That's why it's jumpy,
because he would miss it if it was on full speed. This all happened just half a second, so it was really quick, right, So and that's the only thing I camera get back to me, And I sold my son that, I said, hey, check this out now, and because I thought it was my son at first, but my son was like fourteen or fifteen years old at that time, so but but he likes getting curious to his eyes. Was like, oh wow, this is cool,
but that's not my favorite video. I got a video of a great entity standing next to my dresser and uh and I got that frame by frame too, which is that on the internet, but I have it on my computer. Did only recently that I noticed someone started posting your videos right well the friend of yours, Yeah, Lon strict work, he was posting him. But actually a man named h mister burkecart there rock Chester Current Normal. He's the one who put the original video out there, and he's he's like,
you know, I was like, is this for real? And you see what you're seeing? Okay, that's what I'm telling you, and he's and he says yes, and I have and having visitations and uh and he says, you know, there's a fake big foot out there and every dances, but uh says, I'll take a chance and put this out there and see
what kind of response we get. And uh and he put it out there and that's and then you know, a year goes by and I know, I oh the line, you know, I talked to him and and then uh lone started investigating my case and he did a really good job line some phantoms and monsters and uh, you really only want to take attention to it because I called up people to come out to my house with some letter equipment. I tried to make it never so well. I went out of my
way. I talked to people at the people that had maybe some knowledge, and to find out, nobody knew anymore than I did. And I know the story sounds crazy, so I didn't blame them for that coming out to the house. But I was the only reason why I put this out there is because I wanted better equipment to to get what I got, and I told Van Hansens some factors fake, I says. Listener says, you get me a camera that takes a hundred frames a second, so I'll get the
best video of the world's ever seen. He says, well, I don't. Don't nobody they can do. That's realkay and fine, I'm done. You know, It's like I don't care if I video take them anymore because I got my answers. Why everybody has to try to figure out if this really exists? And do they still come and visit me? Yes, they do so, but I don't pick and choose when they come and see you. Yeah, yeah, I know it really you know, makes me want
to get out there and investigate because it is a far fetched story. But I mean, I know there have been times where I have found out that some of these far fast stories are true, so firsthand. Also so one of the things, okay about the video too, is that one of the videos, and some of these you can see online, like you set up a strobe and you set up candles and there's a lot going on, and you have a laser indoor flashlight that you kind of move around the room.
Why do you do all that when you're video taping? Okay, well, let me get you that was just another experiment that was going okay because I was it was getting harder and harder to catch them on video, and even though that they were showing up just because they showed up on me to get them on video, right, And so I decided to take everything I knew, everything I tried and everything that worked half but you know, and fill it all at them at one time. Okay, but you confuse them.
They don't like the stroke light and and if you listen to the video that that actually come up with you can hear growling and all kinds of things going on. And yes, we was hearing those noises, but there was like a loud humming sound in there that we did not hear, and that could have been it was taking up a the frequency from the TV set because everything was piped into the TV. So I lay there in bed and see what my cameras picking up through my TV set. Okay, nothing was added that
the sounds are absolutely there. To me, it sounds like animals. Some people say it sounds like the hall of a ship, but those are actual noises, and this is the noises that would make us up in Lownite. So and I guess people could google this David Eckert and be able to see those and because they are really Yeah, that sound I did see that was really weird. And then in the video it's almost like I couldn't see,
you know, everything that they saw. I could see what looked like a kind of a half torso maybe kind of floating in the air or something. Right, there was something I never saw that happen. But to me in the video you see the half porsol that I think there's another one holding him by the leg and daring in fact or fake. If I hang something from the ceiling right there, the easiest way to find out if somebody ever hung something there would to go open hold back into lace and see if there was
something hung there. I never owned a code wrack, okay, never owned one of my thorough life. That was one thing I was curious about because they bring in this code rack. Why would you have a wreck in your in your room? And I thought, well, maybe, uh, that co wreck was in the house, but that was something they brought in. You didn't have that in the house. No, I never had one in my life. But uh, but no, what was what was in that spot was one of these uh uh it was a fake palm tree. That's
what was sitting in that spot. I had a fake palm tree there, and uh and that doesn't look like a fake palm tree to me. So, but there's actually two entities there. When the light goes across the first entity, you know, the one you can see the face and like the arm on it, and then you started seeing another white spot on it. That's the second entity that's showing up at that was trying to light on it. You can't see them straight on I'm gonna let you go on a little
secret. You can see these guys a lot that are in a pavixed nervation. These guys are around us all the time, and you wouldn't even know it because I don't know. If you've ever been sitting at a desk or something like that and you see something like, oh, your corner, your eye looks like a shadow, Well that was going on a why and come to find out If you just stand there and you wait, you can start seeing it moving around and you get right up next to you. That's these
guys. You see it straight on. It's the technology. It's not spiritual. It's not their ghost. It's not because they're not there. It's their technology. They know how to how to hide in our vision. They're all around us. I'm not the only one this is going on too, So if I'm special, it makes everybody special. Just because you haven't stopped and looked around and find out that they're there, you'll never know they're not there.
Do you think that this steff is happening more and more and more people aren't able to be aware of the presence of these things, and or are they around more? They've always been there. What I've learned from these guys, They've always been there, and I would say within the next twenty years, we'll have computers that will detect them. Lotion detectors detect them. They
see if they catch them before I even see them. When I got my fog machine the first time, my wife ordered it formul over the Internet because one night I was sitting at the table and was eating and I noticed that these things were walking through the house and they would be collecting dust in spite of webs. So one guy close enough to the table, so I took my cigarette cellophane until folded off my cigarette and stuck it to them. Need to follow them through the house. That way, it was like I could
sticks to the TV screen or to your sing. And that's that's where I got the idea to use the fog machine. It works every single time. Wow. And you can see the outline. That's why you do it. Uh, You see the outline of the shapes in the fog you do you can start to see you can see them. You can still see through them, but it gives them more texture. That's that's the day. The looking
guy that I got to stand next to my dresser. Actually, the first time I turned it on, it was five of them in my bedroom, and uh, that's just why I happened to have my camera. And uh, since they found out that the gig was though, it was all over and they all took off, but one I was standing by my dresser. I got a frame by frame. He ditches behind my dresser and another one comes to a portole right behind him and comes up to my little table before
he figures out he's being scene too. Huh. But for the first second, So I was just going to say, we're pretty much out of time right now for the radio show, but thank you so much for sharing all this. It's a pretty incredible what's going on here. It's you used to it. It's uh, it's might be incredible some people, but you get used to it. And uh, they're around us all the time, they
are, and they know more about us and we know about them. Well, I'm sure if you haven't watched that Factor Faked that this has intrigued you enough to go check it out, because yeah, what this guy is saying is pretty hard to swallow. It's some pretty, uh pretty pretty strange stuff, wild stuff from all these different creatures and portals and interdimensional as opposed to extraterrestrial and being able to communicate with these guys. So it's very strange stuff.
Uh, And go to Factor Fake. You know, Hulu has it up. I know right now. I think Jason said he saw it on the Sci Fi Networks page. You can go watch this show right now, So go check it out if you haven't seen it, and watch the investigation, and you know, get to see what this guy looks like because it's hard to tell from his voice. You know, his mannerisms and everything. And go check out his high house. I mean, he's a successful businessman
and I think that's what lends to his credibility. And you know, you get to see his wife, who just looks like it seems like a very normal person. Very strange stuff. So and if you think this is strange, we're not done with this strangeness because in the upcoming weeks we have more strange, strange out there stuff. Next week we've got Whitley Strieber, of course, a famous author. Everybody knows who he is. He did the
movie Communion or he wrote the book Communion about his abduction experiences. And I think, you know, even before I was really into UFOs. When the movie Communion came out, I've always been fastated with the actor who played him, whose name elludes me, Christopher Walkin. Luckily I got it before the show was over. Christopher walking a weird dude in the first place, so he played this character which is really strange in the movie. So it was
very intriguing, and of course Whitley went through is also very strange. We mainly brought abductions to the forefront, so we'll talk about abductions, but we'll also talk about his new book. And that's what I mean about some strange stuff he talks about. When he was promoting Communion, some guy came to his hotel room in the middle of the night and sat down for half an hour and let him know about all of this really deep stuff, the secrets
to the universe and humankind. And he talked to this guy for half an hour. Was downloaded all of this information and now he's sharing it. He wrote it in a book that he kind of privately published, and you could get it from his website. It's called The Key, but now it's been printed by Double Day. It's being released on the twelfth you can go pre order from Amazon. So we've got Whitley Streemer next week. It should be a very good show. I'm definitely excited to talk to him more about this,
and I've gotten a preview of the book and it's very interesting. So join us next week. Thanks for listening to Open Minds Radio. Don't forget to visit Openminds dot tv for more UFO news, and we will talk to you next week. Thanks for joining us up to