Hello, and welcome to Open Mind UFO Radio. We are on location here in uh what this is, Long Island Lake. How do you say it wrong? Un kunkaka run. I think it's wrong, conca coma, but it's actually Lee's Oh you got it? What it was it? Ron Kunkama? Say it again, Ron Kunkama, ron Cunkama. So maybe we'll wander away from the wedding music, but we're here at least Spiegel's wedding. This
is uh myself. Martin Willis, of course, is here with us to do some news, and we're joined by a special guest, Mark D'Antonio. Hey, how's it going and what's happening? Yeah, so we're gonna do some news here and then otherwise coming up in just a second will be our guest. And our guest this week is Danny Silva of the Silver Record, So we'll be talking about some of the latest news regarding like the Navy videos and all that good stuff. But over here by the lake, let's first
talk with these couple of characters. I guess I should also apologize I haven't done a show in a couple of months, but that's because we had the UFO Congress which of course is a lot of work. And then I moved, so I moved up my house, I sold my house. I had to move out of there and then move to a different state. So it's been really crazy, and that's why I haven't done a show in a while. But lucky leve had Martin to listen to and you had a great show.
How did your show go the other day? You had Kevin Day, Gary Voor, He's Robert Powell. Am I missing anybody? Nou myself, but you know, I'm just in the background. No, it went great. I enjoyed hearing some things I hadn't heard before, and like what well, for instance, I'd never heard of Gary's story basically and h and his experience and actually that he actually witnessed the the Tic tac Ufo through the I
think they call him the Big Eye. Their binoculars are in trouble. Yeah, we just got lorraines here that the bride came out and busted us. Oh yeah, busted, absolutely busted with the to be. Can you be surprised. I'm sure if we told Lee we were doing this, he would come out and want to be definitely, be right, definitely, which is why I told him it was time to cut the cake. Oh, it's cake cutting time. All right, Well, we'll put this on pause and
we'll go cut some cake. All right, we are back outside. We got busted by the bride Lorraine, because it was time to eat cake and we were out here doing UFO stuff. Let us cake. Yes, She's like, oh, I should have known. You guys are out here recording and you're supposed to be in here when we're out here doing UFO stuff. By the way, we're out by this beautiful lake that only Mark can pronounce the name of ron Kunkama and uh no UFOs. But this is a great
spotting area. If there there's to be any US by USO, absolutely, Oh you know what, let's bring that into the news. Let's start it off with that. If that's cool. There's some talk. Martin's like, I wasn't ready for this. I wasn't ready for that in particular. But I did see it about the David Fraverer interview with Joe Rogan, and he talks about this torpedo that was up near the surface, and I believe there was a diver next sword or near it, and a black object came up
from the depths that looked like a disc. Am I getting that right? So far? I think you got it right. I believe that, and it looks like his in his words, it swallowed the torpedo. Now, was this something he witnessed deeps? I think it was an account from secondhand? Yeah, yeah, wild, But I do remember that. I remember that. I of course I'm I'm somewhat partial to USOS having witnessed one. Your submarine adventures have more time. We'll talk about that eventually when you you
know, we can't what were you going to see? You're going to follow up on that? No, I said, we can follow up on the on Mark's Yeah. Yeah, So the USO story, So that's out there. That's kind of interesting. And somebody wrote about it. Oh, Popular mechanics wrote an article about it, and they were actually very positive, where popular mechanics can be very skeptical, and I don't think I think sometimes they
go a little too far. I think they take cues from the Navy and what the official Navy stance is, and the official Navy stance has changed. This is key. It used to be that the Navy would just clam up, you know. I know that from experience having working for them a lot. But unfortunately, the Navy's put up against the wall on these things because there's too many people talking about them, including their own people. So now they either have to say they're all wrong, they're all lying, or yeah,
we haven't been telling you exactly everything that there is to tell. And now that's why they've admitted that these things do have merit. And you know they've changed their policy for instructing their naval personnel. You've talked about it yourself. Yeah, I was recently in you know, my real job is in antiques and art and stuff like that, and I was recently in a home where the guy said he was a Navy aviation control or something like that.
I'm not sure exactly what his position was in California. He recently retired, and I asked him what he thought about the Navy coming out with UFOs, if you heard anything about it, or coming out with being able to discuss UFOs pilots and stuff like that. He said, that's very very interesting, he said, you know what, I was out in California. We used to see these things on the radar, and he said they would be visible
and then they disappear and show up over somewhere else. And he said, I just always thought it was some experimental thing because we were near some bases that did experimental aircraft. And he said, so I just left it at
that and never thought much about it. Let's see the from a physics point of view, if we look at some of the ways and methodologies in which they think they meaning a lot of us who do this research and plus other people out there, the way these things are propelled that apparent vanishing and reappearing somewhere else is actually very consistent with the physics that would generate such a visual effect to us watching it. So we're not too far away from actually knowing
whether that's a real thing. So are you saying that this technology would entail being able to kind of disappear and reappear in in their location, or just move so quickly that it would appear that they're not moving, but they are. They actually never traverse the space in between their locations where the origin and destination. They actually punch out of our four dimensions X y Z, move with your time, and then punch back in at a slightly different location.
That's one of the that's one of the thoughts. That's one of the ways they think that maybe these things are propelled again, they being researchers and folks that have looked into string theory in other ways in which these things work. One of the main thought processes is that flying saucers in UFOs were triangles and circular because they're particle accelerators, and if they accelerate particles a certain way,
then it can be shown through physics. You can actually see the equations I can show them to that actually show you how certain particles get generated that will allow these craft to exit our four dimensions and punch in somewhere else kind of
at a moment's notice. If that technology can be shown and proven to the satisfactories of a lot of academia, that changes everything for how we can travel interstellar because as long as we can harness the energy to do this right, then we should be able to do that in the future and we could punch out, punch in anywhere we want. Think about that. What do you mean by anywhere you want? I mean, does it have a limitation for
distance? I don't have a clue. I do know that if we were to punch out and punch in right now for us, if we had this technology, maybe we could punch out and punch in, punch out and show maybe near the moon or something. I don't know. I don't know if distance is a limitation or if it's more likely the energy is the limitation. We have to have the right amount of energy to be able to do these these these punches, so to speak. I think you lost me at punch,
but I'm not sure. Yeah, that U When we get into this kind of science, it makes my head feel like it's in a centrifugure and a you know, spinning around, but I mean a lot of spinning. So that's why, Yeah, that could be plus miles an hour. Well, some people argue that, you know, that's what essentially Bobblasar is describing that their dish shape because they're kind of like a particle accelerator. How do you feel about Lazar's explanation of physics? Don't get them going any of that
pizza left? Well, okay, frankly, I'm on the fence about Bob Blazar myself personally, and the reason I am is not because I'm trying to play both sides, but because of the fact that I'm I'm very concerned. Well, some of the things he says, the lack of his background and cod the US government wipe out everyone's background. I don't know. If I knew that for sure, then I would say that maybe he's you know,
more believable than that. What about the science, though, the science actually is something that well, let's be honest, he was talking about element one fifteen before element one fifteen. That's not true though, I mean, there wasn't now scientists have been talking about one fifteen since the seventies. That he was talking about properties of element one fifteen that we found to be in the periodic table. In the end, we figured that out. I would need
to see that. I definitely have not seen evidence of that. But anyway, interesting, Yeah, I wanted to hear what you think, and you're you're more positive about the science than I had expected, which is interesting. But let's get into some other stories that are out there, and I think Martin, you have some ready for us. Well, I just wanted to talk about this because we have an astronomer with us, Mark di'antonio. So this this has been out in the news a bit. A former NASA scientists
is convinced we already found life on Mars. I know this is in UFO related, but it is very interesting when you consider, you know, the key part of this means actually discovering life elsewhere besides here on planet Earth, of off world. That's the saying. Yeah, so, Mark, I know you we just talked earlier. Didn't get a chance to read this article, but what do you think about the possibility of life already being discovered on
Mars? Well, as you mentioned earlier, Martin, back in the seventies, when the Viking laboratories were baking samples, they didn't have the capability to really truly discern whether the results indicated there might have been life at Mars, either at presently or at that time or at one time. But we now have landers on Mars that can do this. The Insight Lander is doing some processes now on Mars that will dictate whether life was ever possible. We think
it is. We think it was, and the reason is because we can see indicators in the rock strata that Mars was once a very wet place that to us says, well, water is the basis of life on Earth. We all started in the water. That's why we have salinity in our skin. We took a little vestigial ocean with us as we left the ocean. That's why we're salty. Okay, Well, that said Mars also had oceans at one time and also large lakes. Now would that have been long enough
for life to form? Well, it seems that's possible because even though the lakes dried up several billion years ago and the oceans disappeared long ago, it's still possible that microbes tenacious as they are, continued to hold on. I reference things like tarte grays, which can exist in a vacuum of space and then go into cryptobiosis where they just shut down and go into hibernation. Fifty years later, you give them some water and they're back to life. Right.
They're also referred to as water and for people who don't know, they're kind of like a little caterpillar looking thing that is microscopic. That's right, that's right. And I just imagine if any of those were like the size of a building, that everybody run for their lives because they are fierce looking monsters. Have you watched Star Trek Discovery, of course, yeah, they kind of that was like a big tartar grade looking thing they had captured.
But let me ask you this, So you talk about the insight lander checking for water out right now, from the way I understand it from talking with different people with NASA, we really don't have yet a lander that can check for life. Just they can check for signs of possible life or signs that
life could have existed. But really, I guess from what I understand, they would need to outfit one of those landers with a microscope where it could look at some of these things and send those images back to discover that. But I think somebody's got that. Is that the essay or one of our future landers. I think they are going to do this well. Mars twenty twenty is also heading to Mars some point, and that's gonna have some capabilities
like that. We also have to remember that back in twenty twelve, the most complete laboratory we ever launched landed on Mars successfully, and that was Curiosity. It is a complete Mars science laboratory. It has more instrumentation on it than any other lander on Mars has ever had. More than Spirit, more than Opportunity, more than Pathfinder, more than any the others. This one had it all and it's still tooling along in this twenty nineteen and it's been
going since twenty twelve. Pretty good considering it only had a ninety day warranty. Yeah, frick and awesome. So another one I wanted to ask about was a sighting in North Carolina, so essentially a video has taken off the coast. There are these lights in the sky. Yeah, do you have that one? I know, but I know about it, and I believe that was determined to be flairs if I'm thinking about the same one, or is that the one on the lake? I think you're right, there is
one recently that today is probably flares from Marines. Have you seen that video? I have and I actually sent it to you. Actually you did, yes, Thank you Martin uh. And I hadn't had a chance to find out whether there were any air guard drills going on in the area that could account for those lights. To me, they look like parachute flares. I've seen parachute flairs. I've seen them deployed, I've seen them come down. I know how, and I photographed them and I know what they look like.
Great to meet you too, Thank you so much. Let's see thank you, thank you, thank you, you too, I had to say by some wedding guests there, Yeah, should keep that in So the bottom line for me was that although these looks similar to the flares, until I actually can research that, I won't make a I believe if they say that until I researched it. But if someone else did it, then more power to believe. Someone has come up with that as military. But I'm just
looking to see if I can find that. Now. Yeah, it through his very high tech computer that holds in his hand. They call it a cell phone, sell something cell phone. I don't see any cells, but anyway, of course, in Phoenix, this happens a lot with the Goldwater Range. They launch flares all the time, and I used to be skeptical with some of the images I saw coming from the area were flares because they were so clear, and Goldwater Range is like you know, some of the
where these photos the objects were were like eighty miles away. But having lived out there, I of course made it a point to take some video and photos. And sure enough, you don't see smoke. People are like you would see smoke. No, you don't see smoke, and they fall so slowly I believe it is because they're so far away. It could be that they don't emit much smoke either, and they're extremely bright, and they fall when they're at that distance so slowly. It doesn't look like they're falling,
but they are. I can tell you that I photographed these bright orange lights that were about eighty miles away past the gold Water Range from ountain the snow in desert, and I zoomed in and I figured out why we don't see smoke because when I zoomed in, I could see smoke, but it's so low surface brightness compared to what the flare shows. Your eye stops down and it's impossible to see it. Yeah, okay unless you actually block out the flare. Okay. And when I zoomed in on these, I could actually
see the smoke trailing upwards, very very clearly. It's the same reason surface brightness smoke. Right. Several people will ask why don't you see stars when you're taking pictures of the moon or something, or you don't see it with planets because the planet is so bright you can't see the stars which are much dimmer, just like we have with our eyeballs. Like you're talking about I mean you go outside, or you're not going to see things in the periphery
you that are dim if you're looking at seven bright, that's right. You know, when you when you photograph the night sky, Okay, you can photograph the night sky and see plenty of stars, but then turn right around and take a photograph which shows the landscape okay, not overexposed, but looking kind of decent, and see no stars in the sky, right, because the stars are point lights and to get those on film is going to take a lot more unless you've got a really bright one like say Jupiter or Venus,
which is a planet right each in the sky. And if those are up in the sky, well then you might see a little hint of those, but you have to take a time exposure to see it. And when we went to the moon, and we did go to the moon, okay to all those who think we may not, No we didn't, Martin and you and I didn't haven't gone yet. Oh you haven't been there with me. No, we're looking into it. No, But when you take a photograph of the moon, is an astronaut, you have to shoot for the
lunar surface, which actually isn't very bright. It's only got like a thirteen or eighteen percent reflectivity, believe it or not, and everything else, of course, is a lot darker. So if you're gonna shoot to get the moon right, you are hopelessly still unable to see the stars. But if you did a time exposure and aim the camera up and set it for a minute or whatever, you'd see plenty of stars galore. But then the moon would be blown right out right white, which is actually set my phones to
people don't the HDR mode, which is something photographers do too. Is that good point, thank you. They'll take photos at different exposures exposures and then combine those pictures so the object is at its best composure. And that's how you could get some pictures where you have things that are very dim in the photo where you couldn't have otherwise. It's still a show, that's right, And you have the latitude to play with that and go up and down to
play with the brightness setting essentially. But that's what your phone is doing in HDR move it's taking multiple photos. That's right, that's right. You're absolutely right. We got room for maybe one more story. You got another one in there, Mark, since Marcus here. I wanted to ask him what he thought about astronomers detecting twenty more moons off of Saturn and why now, why did it takes so long? Do you know that? Well, these are not very large moons. These are very small, and we now have
the technology to do this detection a little better than we used to. So that's the reason. Well, don't forget, Okay, we used to think that the Jupiter and setn had far fewer moons. Saturn had sixty eight moons. It's just a little while ago. Right now it's up to eighty two. Right, So that happened, of course because of the better capabilities to discern moons and the effects these little moons have on Saturn's rings and the surrounding
environs. What do you suppose these moons are a result of, I mean, why didn't they coagulate together and make bigger moons? Probably for I'm only guessing here, but probably for the same reason that Saturn's rings never made it into being a moon. Okay, proximity to Saturn. There's title forces that are in play, and these title forces will cause anything that's trying to call
less to be torn apart. Again. Right, it's something called the Roche limit, and it's nothing that could survive being a solid body of any substantial size at that location in the Saturn's environment, because of course the gravity Saturn has, it'll tear it apart from end to end. And so we're at Lee's wedding now and we're kind of ready. You can hear the kids running around in the background. We're just here off lake Ronkonkoma, Ronkonkoma. I
think I said it right, but you're talking about moons. Both of you has given me an idea. Yeah, there's a window right there we can go press against and give the audience a little show you first, and I'll videotape that's right. Yeah, Okay, you doing that? Okay, get your video cameras ready, here we go. Hey, this video will be online when, ah what Monday tomorrow or the next day. You know what. If you guys watch, you'll see Alejandro mooning a wedding crowd. Aha,
and congratulations to Lee. He's too busy in there getting married and saying hi to all his family and friends, so we couldn't get him out here. But congratulations Lee and Lorraine. Some of our good buddies. They're great friend. It was a wonderful wedding, just wonderful, all right. So after this break we will get to our guests at Danny Silva, so stay tuned. I am happy to have back on the show. Danny Silva of the Silva Record. Hello, Danny, what's up A It was great to
see you the other day finally in person. Yep, great to see you too. So yeah, we got to see each other in Dallas, which is where you're from, right, Yep. That was for worth Yep, Dallas, Texas. So a lot of I was surprised. I was out there for alien con uh for people who aren't aware. Last weekend another one of the things that caused me not to have a show recently. I was surprised at the airport when in San Diego and even in Phoenix, how many
people flew out for the Cowboys game on Sunday. Yeah, you know, it's like it's like a religion. Not here. They do not play around, I guess. So the traffic is crazy and people get crazy. People get depressed if they lose around the city, and from what I understand, they got like they got killed, they got Yeah. The usually ends up happening. Yeah, so yeah, And there were a lot of Packer fans
too, but man, we're there. The airport was full of people in Jerseys, mostly younger couples, but people who just flew out for that, although I talked to some Alien Connors who said they flew out for the Alien con end the football game two Birds of loftone. You know the Cowboy Cowboys fans all over the country too, so yep, yep, we got them here in Phoenix. We also have lots of Bronco fans, which is cool
because I'm a I'm a Denver, right. But one of the things that you've been up to, of course, on the Silver Record, which is Silverrecord dot com, you cover a lot of to the Stars news, and you've been covering something really interesting and this has been an exclusive for you. But it's regarding uh to the Stars reaching out to foreign countries and foreign governments to entice them or at least tell them, you know, the that they
think that they should be essentially investigating UFOs as well. And why now, how did you run across this story? There was a video released by a man named Sabir Hussain and he is running the India Pakistan Initiative, and he did a quick YouTube video and he mentioned he had quotes in the video from Lou and from put Off and other people. And you know there's a lot
of crazy stuff on YouTube. Well, I don't usually believe it, but after a friend of mine, Steven, brought the video to my attention, I was able to ask around and I was able to make sure that the comments in the video were in fact from Lou and put Off and everyone else, and they were. So I thought that was pretty cool that I was able to just confirm it as authentic. And then from there on I kind of just dug in we were the nature of Lou's and doctor Help put Off's
comments. And for those who don't remember, you know put Help put Off is a pretty much the lead scientist working with to the Stars. He owns the company that they're also partnered with on the Adam project to research the materials they found. And I'm putting you on the spot a little bit here, but you probably remember, do you remember the company I can't remember right now that put Off reg Erthtech exactly, Yeah, with Eric Davis as part of
that. And I believe put Off Son helps him run it, yeah, Colin, mm hmm, but yeah, the it was basically what the YouTube video had was just excerpts from their letters. Lou and doctor put Off each wrote a letter to the Chief Justice of India that's in India's Supreme Court. I think I'm getting that correctly and just basically stating their case and saying that they agreed with Sabir's initiative and that the two countries need to be careful.
They don't want a misidentification of UAP around their nuclear facilities or something like that, and that would cause, you know, some sort of a military event because tensions are so high already in that area. And do you know who is this Sabir. He's a UFO researcher. I think he's written a book. I've been in contact with him a little bit. He seems like a nice guy. Since the story, I was able to contact him, and he's still at this. He's having some trouble the It doesn't sound like the
judges and people are he's meeting with are taking him too seriously. But he's staying at it. And even if it doesn't succeed, I think it's just interesting to see how to the stars is operating, and how they care about some of these other issues and how they're doing their best to help people around
the world. Now, the angle that they took here is essentially that India and Pakistan are kind of, you know, in this this cold war of their own, and it's it's kind of scary because there's a lot of bellocausts, you know, uh, you know, talk rhetoric going back and forth, and that they're not both you know, nuclear enabled weapons enabled countries and that they could you know, mistake a UFO for a missile for example, and uh start hostilities, starts each other each other, uh, based off
of you know, misinformation. Uh. So that's kind of the gist. It seems like that they're getting at Yeah, that's definitely the gist. And even if you know they're not the ups themselves aren't posing a threat, they could be you know, a military threat by being too close to the weapons or whatever they're doing, and it could be misidentified for an act of war.
So that would definitely be really bad. And it's kind of the it's playing off a lot of the UFOs and nukes and things that we've been hearing about throughout the history of UFOs and especially that's been highlighted in the last year or two basically these incursions in airspace. So it's something to be wary of. And if countries don't realize this, you know, they can really get
caught, I think. And luckily now it sounds like the United States has been taking it seriously, so probably a lot of these other countries need to do the same. So you were able to get the letters that so for instance, that video you talked about that Sabir Hussein put together reference these letters
that lou and how put Up had written. You confirmed that those letters did exist, and you actually got copies and you actually posted one a few days ago, the one from how put Off and just today right you posted the one from Louise Alizondo. Yeah, and it's great to see just you know,
them in their own words making the case. And it's not just an excerpt that was from the YouTube videos, but it was their whole letters and it's basically just them elaborating on their careers for the Chief Justice of India and just kind of stating the case about why they think, you know, India and Pakistani to be careful m H. And it's interesting, like you said that how put off in one of his statements at least when in the video, is that he advised at the court, you know, consider the petition
petition of severe Yeah, they definitely need to be considered considering it, and it doesn't sound like they are. But Sabir has other people in his corner on this initiative as well, like Robert Salas and other people. I named it in the blog. But you know, it's a serious thing, and it doesn't sound like there's a lot of people in India may be interested in the topic. So it's cool that Saber is advocating for it. He wants other people, even in the United States to kind of be aware of what's
going on in the Indian community and other communities in America. And Robert Saliz of course, for those that may not be aware, he had his own UFO incident when he was Let's see if I can remember all the details and dates and everything, And he has a book called Faded Giant came out in two thousand and five about this entire occurrence. Let's see. sALS essentially was he working at kind of an underground facility that was in charge of nukes.
Let's see if I can remember the area. Do you remember like some of the details. I don't remember a lot of them. I just know he was one of the main witnesses for the upos of nukes initiative, and he got pretty famous, incredible, and now he stayed interested and it's still advocating for it, right, Okay. It was March nineteen sixty seven. I've
got some details here, and he essentially was in the underground bunker. He gets a call from up top and they're like, you know, we see some UFOs up here and they're freaking out, and you know, he said, well, just keep an eye on him. They're asking what should we do? What should we do? And they were pretty scared, and he said, just you know, relax and keep an eye. As long as they're not doing anything, you know, overtly hostile, which they weren't.
Then all the nukes that they were in charge of go offline. He says, they went into a no go condition. See, once I get a little info, then I can it all comes back. I haven't talked about this case in a while, And essentially they had to. They stayed in this no go position, so at that moment they would not have been able to launch these things until some texts had to come and work on these things to get them working again. So just a really strange situation, and I
know that, Yeah, Russia has had some similar experiences to that. Now in Louise in Lu's letter, he is referencing some situations and he says that both the United States and former Soviet Union endured well documented instances, instances in which technical systems erroneously reported missile alerts and activity that could have triggered at devastating
nuclear conflict. While UAPs were not involved in those cases, and it seems an unlikely scenario, it is nevertheless worth taking serious seriously in light of the proximity of India and Pakistan. So that's kind of an interesting comment that he made there, that at least the situations he was referencing did not have UFOs involved. Yeah, I'm not sure, you know, it'd be great to
hear him elaborate on that one point. A lot of people have made these cases for what's happened, and I don't know, maybe lou doesn't agree with it, or maybe he's talking about different situations, but I'm not exactly sure what he means exactly by that line, but it'd be a great question to ask next time he's on. Yeah, and you know, he often will say, I'm just not read up on that. I'm just ratting read up on that. And he doesn't want to speak to things that he isn't intimately
familiar with. And that could be the case here if it wasn't an a tip case and he just wouldn't know much about it and not want to speak to it. Yeah, definitely. He always says that, m M. I wonder what some of these other cases are. It's a great question, m M. But as far as you know, UFO is being mistaken for nukes, you know, we do have some record of that. Of course, we just talked about the Robert solid case you referenced in your article about
all of this. The book and the documentary by Robert Hastings UFOs and Nukes, which is a you know, both are great, great pieces of work. Robert Hastings an amazing researcher who's gotten together just tons of credible witnesses to events such as this. I can think of one a cop I knew in Denver. He said when he was working in the military, and I forget
which branch at this point. But he says he was in a room where they were watching radars and they saw an object on screen that they thought was a missile at first, but it kept going and kept going, and there was a lot of fear, and they then after it crossed several borders, had figured out that, oh, this is not a missile. And he says they even had to call the Russians and say, hey, that's not us what you're saying flying across there. That's something else, so don't freak
out. And I guess there was some concern, and I guess the Russians were skeptical because they were like, yeah, right, you know, you could be tricking us. It's the stuff has happened over and over again, and I don't know if we're past the point of proof or where we are. Maybe we still need more data and radar and things like that to be released, but the witness testimony says it happens over and over again and throughout
decades now. So it's to the point I think where a lot of people buy into the story, especially you know, reporters and people that aren't UFO enthusiasts. This is one of the things that they take very seriously and seem to think is credible. And I haven't known anyone who's seen the Robert Hastings documentary over the book that has come away from it thinking that it's it's not
credible. Now, how did you get these letters? Did you just contact lou and Howl and say, hey, could you share those with me? I don't know if I should see exactly, but you know, I always beg in and I try to contact everyone that can and and I was able to confirm them at first and then and then finally publish them. Mm hm
cool. That's great. Now, why don't you tell me a little bit about because Saber actually seems like he you know, this was an initiative where he was trying to get this in front of the Supreme Court of India, Like, how has that gone so far? It hasn't gone well for him. In fact, he just sent me another letter today. I didn't publish it yet. I don't know if it will, but it's basically just speaking about his problem. And he originally went in front of I think it was
the Justice and they just didn't take him seriously. You know, it'd be kind of like probably we would be happening in America. But he's still sticking at it. And I don't know if this is gonna end up, you know, bearing it at all. But to me, it's just more of like the historical record of what To the Stars is doing, because I'm focused on the To the Stars angle of it. But it's just interesting to see, you know, what they're doing and and get these letters and and we
can be kind of a glimpse into how they're thinking. Mm hmm. Now there was a statement that he wrote, uh that and I wasn't sure he Sabir posted a letter and you wrote, you posted this in one of your articles, uh, just the other day yesterday? Actually, oh no, this was last month, the thirteenth, And that letter is pretty positive. Who was that from? Oh that was that was Salas Sealas? I think
Robert Salas, okay talking. He was kind of giving Sabra pep talk after he u was getting resistance from the Indian authorities and that he wasn't going to stop and you know, they're they're going to keep doing this. I think Robert Salat Salas was even running for office of some time recently, and he mentioned that in there. But I don't think he was elected either. M hmm. Yeah, that's what it said in that letter. That makes sense, So that was from Salas. Yeah, he's a really interesting guy.
Uh. And he wasn't the only one involved in that video that you had met before. I know you had mentioned that Ricardo Bermudez was part of that. He is the guy who used to run Chile cepha ah and then also Peru who runs I think it's defa out of Peru Julio Chamorrow, which is an interesting guy. So that's pretty cool. So he's gotten a lot of support from researchers and in these cases, some government officials from around the world.
I think Stan Freeman was involved too originally. M m Yeah. Chamorrow's interesting. Chamorrow had an incident that got him involved. Are you familiar with that Chmorrow situation? Oh, let me tell you about it. So you made it to a couple of my talks in Dallas. What were they? One was, oh, how a rock star got disclosure? And what was the other one? Do you remember? I think it was the international one about the different Oh the government UFOs Regiz Yeah, okay, cool because it
was in that one. So yeah, Chamorrow and It's cool because we've gotten interviews at Open Minds with most of these people. But Chamorrow's interests started in this amazing incident called the La Joya case, where there was a dogfight with
UFOs in April eleventh of nineteen eighty. So in this situation, it's like seven fifteen am, and what Tomorrow says is that all the personnel at this base in Peru Arakuipa, the La Joya Air Base, they will come out and like do kind of a little parade or I guess get have an address, but they all come out onto outside to do this and then they get their orders and they go do their work, probably kind of like for pep top type of thing. Anyway, they were all out there doing this when
I guess they kind of had an image situation. They saw a UFO. There was some sort of object that they all saw at the end of one of the runways. So a jet was scrambled to chase this thing. The guy flying the jet his name was Commander Oscar Santa Maria Huertez. I think he's been to maybe one UFO conference around the United States before to talk about this. Can't remember which, but or maybe it was James Fox and Leslie Kane that got him to the National Press Club. That could be it.
I think that was it. But he says that he fired sixty rounds of thirty millimeters shells at this object, but it had a little effect. He said, these shells would blow up a truck, just one of them, but it didn't seem to affect this object at all. He said, it seemed like it absorbed them. But he chased this saying for twenty two minutes before he had to go back to the base because he ran out of fuel, and then the thing was gone. So I guess there were like two
thousand people on the base outside that witness this whole thing. So it was a really big deal. The La Joya case, people can look it up, but kind of like the nimits are kind of like Roosevelt the other case on unidentified where or kind of like Washington, DC in nineteen fifty two, where we can list probably dozens of these cases where you know, objects are seen on radar or visual visually or both. Jets are scrambled and then the objects take off like okay, play with you for a little while, but
now we're out of here. Yeah, it's just more fuel on the fire. It's more cases from all around the world, and it's more credibility for the subject and for it in general. About the nuclear connections, not only water but nuclear, I guess you could even are you that some of the the Rosevelt of the nimts they had weapons on them that you know, the UAP may have been investigating also. Yeah, it's so interesting and it's very uh, there's a pattern at this point. I mean, would you agree
to that? Do you think? I mean, just two cases doesn't maybe establish a pattern, but you know there's other cases like in Blue Book that in this case, there seems to be a pattern where you know, David Fraver, the wing commander who chased the tick tack in their nimics case, it's the same thing. They fly out there, they're played with and these things fly off. Yeah, and Alexander himself said the you know, it's it's all about nuclear and water. Those are the things that continuously get action
and there has to be a reason for it. I'm pretty sure that they think they're surveiling US. I don't know the water connection would be, but for the clear connection, pretty obviously them surveying US, and but just to have other countries also chime in. I mean, it's very credible. Now,
not everyone thinks it is credible. I mentioned it in the blog that you know, Valet thinks that maybe some of the cases are other countries kind of disguising themselves on as UFOs to confuse the nuclear workers and nuclear security. But I don't see how that could be the case for every single one.
And the Hastings video in books just so thorough and it's really long, like if you watch a documentary, it's extremely long, and you know they're not mincing words, and these are really credible, you know veterans that are coming forward and saying this stuff, and I just don't see how they could all be discounted. And it really seems like this would is a key as far as lobbying or bringing this to Washington. This that must be one of their
main focuses that they're talking to the politicians about. Mm hmm. Yeah. It is exciting for a couple other reasons too. I mean that you talked about the nukes and the weapons, especially the hasting documentary, and it makes me think of I think there were two guys in there that were render some witnesses, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that's
what they were. Yet essentially they were at a radar or they were at a tower for the base, and they said they caught this thing on radar and even saw it and it looked football size before it flew off. But it's another case where their eyewitnesses seeing these things. It just happens over and over again throughout time, and it hasn't been only recently it's been so I
don't know what they make. And I have heard from other scientists and they don't know if it's a breakaway a kind of secret technology that's doing all of this. But I mean, it's going back to the sixties and maybe prior. It just seems really odd, and even some of the early crashes from the forties may have been, you know, around some sort of weapons areas. So we just don't know, and it seems like if there was tech,
it wouldn't have gone back again. Not everyone agrees, of course, and there's a lot of debating, but it seems pretty credible to me. Well, we're going to take a quick break and then we're going to be right back with the second half of this interview. You're listening to Open Mind UFO Radio and I'm here with Danny Silva of the Silver Record. Check out
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com. And I do like to make sure people understand, especially if they're new, and we've got so many new people coming into this field and interested in some of the more credible cases when it comes to UFOs well, interested in all topics UFOs and the Renderlsham Forest incident. So people know this took place in the UK. These were bases that were on lease to the United
States Air Force and there were two bases. Let's see, one was Woodbridge and the other was you have to come up with the other one, Danny, I don't remember me either. I can't believe I can'try bet Waters. There you go Bent Waters and Woodbridge, and in between them or near them is this forest, and you know, they saw these objects in the forest.
And then on two different nights people were people from the base world able to go out and see heights in the forest or some really odd things, including the base commander or the assistant based commander, Charles Holt, who later did become the base commander. He also witnessed these strange lights and everything. And what people didn't know at the time, or many didn't know, is
that secretly there were nuclear weapons on the base. They weren't technically I guess supposed to be, and not everyone has admitted to that, but some have, so there were. Again, this ended up becoming a case with nukes. Interestingly enough, too, we were talking about how Bermudez was on this video by Severe that you talked about, and cepha AH, which is a Chilean UFO investigation organization that's part of their military, is a very very active
international UFO investigation organization. And I think what's unique about them, not only have they had these incidents where they're chasing these things or I have seen them, but they actually had a government meeting to discuss whether or not they were posed a threat or not, and they determined they don't pose a threat, that they just must be heard, you know, essentially trying to check us
out. And Bermuda says that everybody showed up. Actually, Leslie Kan wrote a Huffington Post story on this also, But everybody showed up to the meeting with the assumption because they had already determined that the UFO phenomena is real. So they're way ahead of the game compared to the US, who is kind of just kind of finally admitting that right now, What do you think about whether they're hostile or not. I try to not take a side on it.
I see why they're hostile from the military perspective, because they're in our airspace and they're doing things like that. I also experiencers that think everything is good and that they're angels, and then I know experiencers that have had their lives ruined and and wouldn't agree with that at all. I make a point to not take a stance on that at all because it's such an issue. It's really divisive, and I just try to report both sides equally, and
so I just kind of stay out of that. But to me, I guess personally, I would think it was a mixture of the two. And yeah, I think it's a mixture of the two at the end of the day, that's what I would say. But I generally try to stay out of it and and just report on both sides because it's really really divisive and
that people get really emotional about it. And but I think when to the Stars gets critiqued about saying how it's a threat, I think sometimes it's taken out of context, and some of the time they're just you know, they're talking from a military standpoint or an a tip stand point, and not necessarily
from a normal human standpoint. You also know that there is a lot of injuries and that happened to people, and whether it's intentional or not, these people do end up getting injured and some of them even die, which is horrible situations. But you know, some people say the orbs and whatnot are getting too close and it's an accident that people get injured, But I don't know what to believe, and I'm just I'm going to continue to report both
sides of it. Mm hmmm. I think that's wise and That's exactly what I try to do, is just kind of report both sides and who knows. I think that it's it's I could see why the Chilean government came up with what they determined, but I can also see why a tip you know,
takes the stance they do. I think Lou explains it very well when he says and Ben Hansen, who spoke at the UFO Congress, brought this up, and that because he loves this analogy too, and it makes sense where Lou says, Look, if you woke up in the morning and you saw footsteps in your kitchen, uh, you know, and so obviously there's evidence that someone was in your house while you were sleeping, while you and
your your family were asleep. Of course that might not have been a malicious person you don't know, but especially you know, as a dad or as a parent, and it's your you feel it's your job to the security keep your family safe, you would consider that a threat. You would be highly, highly concerned. And I think that's a great example of why it's important for us to be concerned about the potential threat until we absolutely know. Yeah,
and there's on the record. Instance is of people being injured. Like I said, like Tallari's Island and things like that, and I know some important scientists. I think you know that that's a real credible event. I mean, Jacques Belet wrote all about it, and he's, you know, the legend that really seems to know what's what usually And but one of the scientists always used this quote that he gave me said it showed Tallara's Island shows
that quote unquote. Theyre not all of our space brothers. So that's just his opinion. But uh, I think it holds a lot of weight. And what happened in that case, there was a lot of orbs scene over days or weeks and other craft we're seeing, and people were injured, and the Brazilian military came in, press came in. There was a lot of photos and data records of injuries. Some of it was released, some of it was written about it by Jacques Jacques bel At, but a lot of
it also became secret and we've never seen it before. And then it kind of goes off after that. Later on Bass also investigated it years later, and that was a whole other kind of ballo acts. But I just would like to see some of this stuff out into the public. A lot of people think that Bigelow bought everything up and he is keeping it to himself.
However, if you read the val Et book, he's talking about another rich person buying it up because when he wrote that book, Bigelow wasn't in action as far as I know, So it sounds like various people have some of this data and evidence and and video locked away somewhere. And the course, we know if Bigelow had it during Bass, then that would have been you
know, a government behind government clearances and things like that. But I'm assuming someone has all this stuff, and I just hope one day it comes out because it seems very important. People keep bringing it up, like put Off in Ballet and others, so it's almost like they you don't want us to
forget about it and keep thinking about it. I've been working on a blog about this for a long time, and I've never felt comfortable putting it out, basically because I don't feel like I have the full picture and I don't have enough answers to make myself feel comfortable in order to do it. So I don't know if I ever will, but I'm going to keep kind of
digging into it, and it's really really interesting, that's for sure. Nineteen seventy seven was when that case took place, a kilarious incident, and like you said, yeah, those were claims where people seem to get hurt, and it would be interesting to ask the cepha ah as well if they looked
into that case. But like you made a great point earlier, you know that there's many who fight that No, it's you know, they're spinning things and they're trying to you know, this is a government conspiracy to be afraid
of the aliens and think of them as badly. And what's interesting about that too is that these are often people who believe in the abduction phenomena, and which has always been kind of weird to me that you know, these people who believe that people are being taken out of their beds and given, you
know, medical examinations without against their will. You know a lot of people feel that that's okay, that you know, whatever they're doing is for the benefit of us, and that you know, all these people are are good
people. Whoever's doing this abduction thing. There's a lot of weird dichotomies and the more I get into this and the more I'm able to talk to people that I feel are important or important scientists, kind the scenes, or whoever you want to call it, I realize that not everyone agrees, and some
people don't agree on as some people don't agree on cattle mutilations. I think it would be important to kind of get the core story which a lot of people talk about, and no wonder when to the Stars or lou where anyone else brings this stuff to the government or to DC that they're only talking about the bare minimum because there's a lot of grey area on the rest of this stuff, and without heart facts, we just can't bring it to the public.
Yet. Look at how much people argue about it in the UFO community, so we just really need hard facts in order to bring it to others. I think that's a great point. And at least inside to the Stars, we know one case for example, people disagree on is the Bob is our case in case it made Area fifty one famous. Eric Davis one of the scientists who works with how put Off, who's worked with Big Low and a hip and has been there the entire time. And I think we might
have touched upon this in my last interview with him. He does not believe Blazar whatsoever as a scientist. He says that the science is way off. It's wrong. He can't be right, he's lying. Whereas you know, Tom DeLong recently in the last couple of days tweeted about how he helped print Bob Blazar's autobiography and that he admitted, you know, we don't have enough facts to verify anything here, but it's interesting nonetheless, and at least it
jives with some of what Tom believes. It sounds like so, and of course George Knapp is the guy who brought Bob Blazar out, and George Napp is very close with Big Low and a Tip and everyone. So it's to your point, not everybody agrees. I'm sure there's many things you and I disagree about. We could probably come up with those, but this isn't about
what we disagree about, is about you know, information. But still, you know, you can't get two researchers in a room and they're gonna gree on everything, and uh, you know that's okay, But like you said, that makes it more important to stick to the facts and to bring out the facts, which can be hard to come by. At times there seems to be a problem, and I'd love to hear your kind of opinion on this the discipline. So you know you've worked with you've talked with Eric Davis
before. I believe you've talked with help. I've talked, Oh you haven't, Okay, I have communicated with put offs mm hmm. But after all of these years I mean of hard work, there's still not a whole lot of data and information. I think it's largely a resource issue in many ways. But even if you look at these letters, one thing that I gather from them from Louis lou and from how is there's not like a lot of
hard data. They're referencing that there have been incidents. You know, neither of them were really even completely specific about UFO incidents other than to say watch unidentified because we're going to have some great cases on there, which they did. There was some great information in there, but kind of like we talked about it earlier, they didn't really specifically reference the nukes or the nuclear situation,
and neither did the Navy. The Navy specifically said they've had these incursions during training exercises. To me, that demonstrates a lack of information all around. Yeah, I always you know, sometimes it's me looking into the government from and being on the outside, but we kind of assume that there's all this data and proof within the government. I basically do feel still feel like that, but at least there's the publicly other stuff. But maybe not with
the nuclear facilities. Maybe it's a lot of witness testimony, but I don't know. I mean, maybe if you add up some of the radar and I don't know if they took readings or anything else around there. But it feels like and maybe this is pre ignorance, like I said, but it feels like there's these smoking guns around and we're either ignoring them or people are sitting on them. But at the same time, we got to put it
together and present it to the public. But that's why then limits is so amazing, really and uh that's why I still consider it the best the best case ever now, best documented case ever. Right, it's a great case. Now, when you were talking earlier about you know, potential uh smoking guns out there, do you feel that maybe to the stars has information that they're not sharing and or do you think that there's information they're not privy to.
I think even if they do know about it, they're probably under NDAs and or just other places and they can't access it. So I think they're releasing everything they can. I think a lot of this falls on these world governments and or other people like whoever bought up the Cholaris data and video. So I don't see that to the stars doing that. In fact, someone asked me recently, why aren't there more videos coming out? Well, that's
because of the government. That's not because of the Stars sitting on them and telling people that they're not going to release them and they need proof and they can't just put it out there. Even if they had them, they'd be going to jail for it. So, you know, this call the government. That's why lobbying is important. That's why changing some of the laws, that's why getting these use apps to have to answer to people, or the
independent research and development companies all this stuff. They need to come out from the shadows and share with the world what they know. Yeah, the lobbying just to speak to that. You know. I've talked to Chase Kletzky a little bit lately, and she's in DC. I guess she's had some conversations out there, which is pretty exciting. And of course she shared some pictures where she's had dinner or lunch with Lou while he's out there doing his advocating
for all of this out there. So she's working and alien con Steve Bassett was there and you know he's pen at least I don't know. I don't know the details I've heard lately. There's a lot of nuances to being an official lobbyist, So I don't know what kind of thresholds people need to meet or who meets what threshold, But certainly he's been there in Washington working for many years. And he says that he's got a new office there at the
National Press Club, so we'll see what happens with that. But yeah, that sort of thing is important. Communicating and of course to the Star seems to be really heavily in fact, and I would love to hear what you have to say. It's my sense because a lot of people have asked, what are they up to? What are they doing? Why aren't they doing
this? Why aren't they doing that? That? Really, you know, there are a bunch of it. They have a large group of advisors, but the guys on the ground, you know, are not many people mostly lou Tom is off doing concerts right now, he has been for the last few weeks. He's traveling with angels and airwaves, so he's not with them on the ground. Loud seems to be you know, we know this through
the pictures with Chasen and others in Washington quite a bit. So they seem to have their hands full with that, let alone the second season of Unidentified coming up. So I mean, these are really busy people, so it seems like their priority is along the lines of what you discovered here, reaching out to our government and other governments as well. Yeah, and you know, even if they're making connections where they don't have to do everything, but
they're introducing the right people to talk. I think in DC that's also what they're doing. It doesn't always have to just benefit them. It has to benefit the subject or the topic at large. And I think that's important to show where their heart is on this. And a lot of people are probably in DC and they wouldn't be considered lobbyists, or even if they are, we may not know their names. And I think they're probably still making moves
out there and then making phone calls. Chris Herndon would be one of them. I'm not so sure he's considered a lobbyist quote unquote, but we know he has Washington connections, and you know, you know he's working on the subject, right, Yeah, And so there's people out there, you know, making things happen. And another thing to your point that you know,
when people ask why haven't we seen more videos? I also get this sense that lou did not expect to well, I don't think he expected, which is kind of sad to be confronted, which with as much negativity from the government side or from the UFO researcher side as he has, I think that's been a you know, something that is kind of a bummer to him that he has gotten he's gotten. Of course, there's all kinds of fighting on
the UFO community. I know, you and I talking here. For whatever reason, it's going to generate I'm sure a lot of controversy and a lot of people saying, oh, I can't believe they said what they said. But there's so much of that going on. And then with the government it seems like, you know, he was very enthusiastic that I'm going to get in there. I know there's these other videos out there. They're not mine to release, but I'm going to get the help get them out there.
And it seems like, and he has expressed this a little bit to me, that you know, there's a lot more footdragging, there's a lot more people who are more hesitant to share than they said they were earlier, or at least he thought they would be earlier. Do you kind of get that sense? I do, probably, And I think it's also unfortunate that To
the Stars is basically the only public company working towards these goals. There should be other groups doing this kind of thing, and that's why so many To the Stars get so many shots thrown at them, because they're the only people in public. They're on that pedestal, and they are only only people doing it. We know, there's all this knowledge, and there's all these people behind the scenes working, and I would just really hope that in the future
they come out and I want them to see rivals to the Stars. Everything shouldn't fall on their shoulders and they shouldn't have to do everything in pull all the way. There should be other people doing this, and I just really hope that that happens. And there are other groups that we know about. You know, Valet and Nolan, doctor Nolan are doing the meta material analysis
and I'm really excited about that. And we got Jeremy Corbel and George Nap doing a lot, and there's the new owner of Skinlocker that seems to be doing great. There's Big Low, although he's been pretty quiet lately other than the or video, and there's a few others, but by and large, it's also the Stars, and I just think that's really unfortunate and there should be more people putting everything on the line, like Elsando and two the Stars
do in order for foreign progress. But for whatever reason, so many other people are staying quiet. Yeah, yeah, you're right. I mean they're kind of on their own. I think they feel that. I mean it's a lot to put on their shoulders, but they're taking it on, thank goodness, and that's one of the reasons I think we all need to be
a little more positive. You know, none of us are perfect, and maybe they're not doing things the way you would like them to do it, but they're doing something and obviously they've made some incredible strides in that we do have the Navy now saying that they take UFO Siri and that you know, these videos that were released now we know because of Louise Elizondo are in fact
UFOs. They're unidentified that the Navy cannot explain. I mean, we've come so far and and the negative stuff is is unfortunate the h and we know that there's more videos. We know there's probably clear videos. Dave frapers that there's an h D version of the tic TAC, but everything is focused on
only what Alezando and to the Stars can get out of the government. It's like, we need to be putting more pressure on our on our election if that would work, but we need to come up with some other way so everything just doesn't fall in Alessando into the Stars in order to get these videos out. I mean, the public knows that there's that there's other videos and we want to see them, so why can't we you know, and we've got to figure something us out to UH to get these released to the public.
Yeah, I'm really interested in what Mark Walker is going to do. He's part of Homeland Security, he is in the House of Representatives, and he's the guy who wrote the letter to the Navy saying he wanted more information, and you know, we know from Brian Berender's article that the Navy responded and kind of blew him off, and Walker was not happy about that.
So I'm interested to know if Walker follows up and what he may do, or maybe even others in Washington, d C. I mean, it's a really interesting time and I don't get the feeling, and you're the perfect person to ask about this as well. I mean, there's still more in all of our hoppers. I don't get the feeling that things are slowing down, that we're going to continue to get these great headlines and revelations into the future. I think we're getting a lot of teases and of big things that could
be happening. Tom's talking about it, and I know a lot of stuff has been going on in DC, and I think in twenty nineteen, we're probably going to close the year out pretty strongly, and then there's going to be season two of Unidentified in next year, and that's going to be a whole other animal. I think they were getting their feet wet in season one and season two they'll be more experienced and it's going to be even more impactful
as far as the public's perspective. Well, see, I hope so you know, I hope they haven't run out of content and we'll see them try to tackle historic stuff. But yeah, there should be something. You brought up the medic materials. But one more thing before we're done, And we're almost done, but you brought up Bigelow. And you know, we haven't
heard anything really about the paranormal from Bigelow for quite some time. But he posted a video with no really supplemental information which seems to show some kind of orb in it, a light orb. What's up with that? What do you know about that? What's going on with that? You think? Well, George Knapp said he felt like Bigelow was basically getting his foot fewet again and maybe he was getting the little bored. A lot of people thought that it was a joke, that Bigelow did it as a joke. And I
can go on record just telling you it wasn't a joke. People think that. People back like they just looked at it for ten seconds and they already automatically knew what it was. But it happened in like twenty eleven, and these scientists and Bass and Big Low employees have been looking at it for nine years. And if you know that a lot of these the setup was like where it was, and what we see in the video, it was a highly uh I don't know if classify would be the right word. It was
a highly secure structure. And I think anyone who even knows what that structure is is under NDA's ar or what was going on there. And there you see this orbit fly hand. A lot of people say it's dust or an insect, but from my sources, what they're telling me is it would be highly unlikely any of that could have heard, and there probably wasn't even airflow in there. And I think we only know a little bit about this story, and I just hope more comes out. George Knapps thinks that Big LA
we'll probably speak on it, and I hope they do. But again, you know, of course everyone was arguing about it, and it was a big controversy. But of course I don't know for sure. I wasn't there what happened, and maybe it is a bug. But I just know that these guys are really serious people and bug theory or the dust theory, and they didn't think it was true or us they wouldn't put it out so interesting.
And it seems like George Knapp is aware of what it is, because he does say, you know in that tweet that you were mentioning, didn't think I would ever see that video on Twitter. What does it look like to me? It looks like Bob Bigelow dipping his toes back into the water. Yeah, kind of indicating is Bob Bigelow getting back into all of this. Some people suspect that big a Low is behind to the Stars, that he's helping fund it and is involved with some of that research. I have
not seen evidence of that, and I'm skeptical of that. But what do you think. I'm also skeptical. I don't think he's like some Illuminati type guy that's pointing the strings on everything. I think he had to kind of slow down and he started working on the masts of stuff. And I'm sure he still has some irons in the fire as far as paranormal things, but generally I think he had to kind of step back, and he his interests were starting to go other places in the Space Company and kind of to the
Stars kind of took over. I would like to hear more from some of the To the Stars advisors and other people at com Keller her We don't get to hear from him in a To the Star's capacity, even though he's listed on the website. And there's some of those other scientists and people that we've just never heard of. Yeah, so there is kind of some of the same people in both situations. But then there's also people that didn't have anything to do with big Better now members than to the Stars. So I don't
think it's a big low operation. Really interesting, I agree with you. I don't think so. And I think that this latest video and I think what NAP's hitting at is maybe he wants to get involved again, which I think would be great. I think that, you know, for whatever reason, the UFO community, the thing that the UFO community has never had is resources. It takes a lot of money to do the scientific analysis and the
type of analysis that is very convincing to the mainstream. But every time we get a major player with some money involved with all of this, the large amount of the UFO community balks and they get they're they're very cruel and they try to tear down, you know, these big sponsors, and certainly that happened with Big Low, it's happening now with Tom DeLong, and it's very
unfortunate and so sweet weird. I don't understand it personally at all, but it's my point of view, and I had a you know, kind of a front row seat with a lot of this big below some of this Big Low stuff that it was very positive. It is great, is what we needed, and I personally would very much welcome Bob Bigelow coming back. I would love it. NIDS was, you know, historic, and I'm just glad that a lot of those people that were associated NIDS are still working in
other capacities. But we definitely needed and it was probably one of the most serious initiatives ever. And now luckily we have to the Stars. But you know, without NIDS and without to the Stars and some of this other stuff, it would have been a pretty slow couple of decades. I think, as far as hard research happening, it would have just been people here and there on their own. And we should be thankful for these big, big
stories. People always be yelled at the government and asked them to tell us what's going on, and they told us a little bit. They told us about a tip and now they don't trust them and they're throwing it back at them. So we can't have it both ways like that, and we need to be grateful and we do get information, we can still be distrusted, but we need to still be grateful when things happen. I totally agree.
Well, thank you so much for being on the show again. Of course, people can go to Silver record dot com to see more, and you know you'll see more about all these topics we're talking about. Of course, this is the only place you can go for these exclusive letters that Danny was able to post, but also the Mark Walker, the Walker letter we were talking about earlier. He's got articles on that. You've got an article on that Big Glow or video, so people can see that. You've got stuff
here on Tom DeLong. You've even got an interview, your own interview Chase Kletzky, who we mentioned earlier. So you've got a ton of great stuff on the website. I guess my last question for you will be if you can give us any clues on what you're working on, what's coming up. I don't know now, I'm kind of at that point. I just put out the I just put out the Alezondo letter today. I would have told you that if you had asked under the day. But I don't know what's
next. Actually, I don't always know where my next story is coming from, so I'm gonna have to wait and see. So it's it says, I just all right, well, great work on getting these letters, and I was super excited to see the Alizondo late letter out there, and it's interesting. Do you have a sense on whether they're sending these letters to other
countries. I don't know. I mean, I would assume that they're in contact with other countries, and I think this was a specific situation with severe, but we know they've been in contact with other countries and they're they're probably advocating similar things. I'm sure that they're telling other countries to get involved and you know, get be more open and if they have programs, talk about them or start programs. But the specific situation I think was unique. But
we know that they are interacting with other countries. Great. All right, Well, thank you very much, Thanks all Andro, I appreciate it. You other man. Thank you so much to Danny Silva for joining us for the show. You can check out his website at Silverrecord dot com. We're really lucky to have people like Danny who are following the latest and the greatest and then also doing his own digging to make his own discoveries about some of
the exciting stuff that's going on right now. I mean, we're in unprecedented times where we have former government insiders working with government insiders, and people in Washington, d C. Including lawmakers and military leadership, all concerned about UFOs. I mean, what the heck, this is crazy. We've never been
here, so it's really exciting stuff. Otherwise, as you can hear, you know, this isn't my regular mic and everything because I have moved, so I'm even in a different state, and so I don't have everything up yet. But many of you wanted a show, and I, trust me, wanted to get you a show, so I got this podcast together. Next week we'll have another show, and I should have all my regular equipment
up so it should sound as it normally does. But fortunately I think my iPhone and you know, my MacBook with just some headphones that I could plug in, did the trick and sounded pretty well. I think. Anyway, thank you all so much for joining us every week and being patient with me in the last couple of months, just been kind of hectic. Also, it was so cool to meet so many of you at alien Con a couple
of weekends ago. That was a lot of fun. And to those of you listeners who were able to come and say hi, thank you so much for doing so. It's always wonderful to see and meet some of the listeners. Otherwise, you know, I guess be sure to keep a lookout for a ufocongress dot com. Go to ufocongress dot com and look at the videos. You can also find that at videos dot ufocongress dot com and this is where are on demand videos are. So the twenty nineteen the videos, the
lectures from the UFO Congress are already getting posted. And let's see what's up there. Right now, there's the Kevin Day one and I actually interview him, and then we'll have up a Calvin Parker one soon. So Kevin Day
was a radar operator on the NIMTZ. He did a great job answering audience questions and speaking to you know, what happened to him and what he saw in two thousand and four when they had that UFO encounter, but also his thoughts on some of the recent news regarding the Navy, which was really interesting. And then Calvin Parker Man, this guy is a character. He's so funny, and he doesn't necessarily mean to be he kind of sometimes does because
he just likes to keep things fun. But he also is really interesting and comes across as so credible, and of course he had some amazing experiences in the seventies that we talk about. So a lot of good stuff at the UFO Congress on demand and it's only a few bucks a month to have access to hundreds of former lectures from the UFO Congress. So check out ufocongress dot com for that. All right, lots of exciting news coming up, guys,
and so stay tuned. We'll talk to you next week and until then, Audio smooth chucchos you mus