Hello, and welcome to Open Mind UFO Radio. I am your host, Alejandro Rojas, and we have with US podcaster Extraordinaire Martin Willis. Yo. So are you back in the country. I am back, and you know, it is cold as heck. I was in ninety weather in Russia and you know, seventy five eighty in Austria and now it is fifty to sixty degrees you're getting it's already that cold there. Yeah. I think I don't
know why we're having some weird weather. And you know, the whole East Coast is bracing, you know, sou south of here, embracing for Florence, the hurricane. So we may get some weather from that, but we will have I looked in the weather, we will have some warmer days coming. Wow. Yeah, it's almost time to put the hosers on. You know, Hey, where at our hosers? I thought that was a person like a Canadian you call someone a hoser. I thought I didn't know it
was actually a garment as well. Oh, yes, it's a garment that they call each other hosers. I don't know exactly why, you know, I might be totally wrong on that, but that's what I think it originated. The whole thing originated from Yeah, your hoose, are you so welcome back to the country. How is Vienna? I mean, I hear it's
awesome. It was absolutely beautiful. It really was. It's a city where the only thing, you know, I'm not a smoker, and I don't like cigarette smoking a lot of it seems like fifty or sixty percent maybe even higher of the people smoked there everywhere you go, wow, cafes, you name it. But that being said, Edwardo was a wonderful person. I really enjoy hanging out with him. Very interesting guy and also him along with other people I got to talk to, they love it there, They love
living in that city. They love the country and love the city and would live nowhere else. But it is absolutely beautiful, beautiful architecture, and it was just really a lot of fun. It's not surprising because people love it there. They talk about how wonderful it is there, And that is so cool that you got to meet him because he did these great posters for us, and of course yes, we're all such fans of his work. Great graphic design. Yep. And he's actually from Brazil and lived in England.
For about four or five years and then moved ten years ago. He moved to Austria and he just says it's the best place in the world. He just loves it. Wow. So remember everybody, he did a poster for you. He's done one for me. I know he's done one for Ryan Sprague and that's right. You can purchase the T shirt with a poster he did for Open Mind GFO radio at our store. So if you're watching this on YouTube, actually you'll see those t shirts right here under the video.
For the rest of you, you can just click the links because there's links in the show notes. There's links all over, or if you go to Open Minds to that TV you'll see a link on the upper right for branded products and if you go there you'll see the poster. So really cool stuff. That was a really good idea to make a T shirt out of that.
I would have never thought of that. Well, you know who made me think of it was Ryan. Ryan made a comment that he made a T shirt out of his and it was selling really well, and I thought that is a great idea because you can also get stickers and I've sold a couple of those, so it's like, yeah, it gives people the opportunity to enjoy his work, which I know he loves. Yeah, well maybe I'll just have to fall in line and do the same thing. Yep.
So what is also funny about it being cold out there is I have just gotten back from Las Vegas on a top secret project which I'm going to tell you all about, so it won't be so secret, but many aspects will still be secret. But I'll tell you about that in a second. But here in Phoenix, of course too, it's well over one hundred so it's
still so hot that it's funny to think about that. Although I'll be at Devil's Tower this weekend and for their UFO event, and last year at this time, because it's on the same period of time, it was very, very cold, especially at night, freezing. As we went out with Mark D'Antonio to look at stars, which we're really excited to do again, I'm just going to have to be sure to bring my super warm clothing. Now
do people ever talk about actual UFO sightings in that area? Yes, they do, wow, But I don't know that it's like there's more than usual. But so, but you know, people talk about UFO settings all over the place. Before we get further, I want to tell people who I've got as a guest today, and that is Chris O'Brien. So, of course Chris O'Brien. He runs the website Our Strange Planet. He has written a lot about the San Luis Valley of Colorado, where a lot of mystery
has happened. And of course listeners who have been with me for years know that I've had my own experiences there and that's where my family comes from. And so Chris and I have been talking about this on the show for a very long time. But he's got something really cool going on. It's called
the UFO Data Acquisition project that he's beginning in the San Luis Valley. And this is not too dissimilar from what other people have said that they want to do, including Mark d Antonio with Uphotag or another group of researchers, some of whom are with to the Stars or worked with Bigelow, that have this organization called UFO Data, where they wanted to take cameras and other sensing devices to be able to grab data while there are UFO sittings and or you know,
triangulate these cameras so they can get video of these UFO sidings. What the difference is and what's more exciting about what Chris is doing is that he's leave Roland. He actually has finished his devices, He's constructed them. He's got a couple he will be deploying here soon and he does have a go fundme to raise some money to build a couple more. But he's also made these very affordable, so it's a very practical project. It's something you know,
we've been waiting and you know, hopefully I don't upset anybody. We've been waiting a long time for these other projects to come up with something, and they've been working and working and working. In Chris, he's like the horse that races up from the race from behind and wins the race. He's the first out of the gate. And I'm really impressed with what he's put together. Yeah, yeah, I talked to him a little bit about it.
He actually visited me here in Maine and cool. Yeah, we went out on the lake in my boat, which actually broke down in the middle of the lake and we were stranded. You're a kidding, no, but he saved us. He was he was pretending to be a pirate. He was acting like a nut and standing on the bow, up on the bow with the two life preservers, waving his arms back and forth. Someone someone actually came and saved us. Really, yeah, oh my goad, gosh,
save the day. You have a lot of funny stories like this where things seem to go wrong. I'm proud of it. Well, you know, the boat was such an easy fix it. It just took two seconds to fix it and I just couldn't figure it out at the time. But anyway, that is, you know, it was memorable. I will say that he's really a character. Oh it's a lot of fun. He is a character, no doubt. And he'll be there this weekend at the Devil's Tower as well. So it's going to be cool to see him doing his
talk about this project. So everybody will be able to care about that. And I fully endorsed this project. I really think that Chris is someone who's trustworthy, that he's already created these things and he's going to be rolling. So I think that this is a good place for people to help out if they have a few dollars, because I think that this is an effort that will be fruitful. But we'll hear more about it coming up here. And I do I do agree Chris, just from him staying in my guest house
for a while and all that. Very very trustworthy and honorable guy. So if anyone's thinking about donating, he's you can feel very comfortable about that. He can be honre He's definitely got but he's still he's still a very honest guy. Yeah, very honest, honest, honest, all right, And he's he's not shy. He knows he can be here and he's yeah, that's funny, all right. So, uh, let's get into some UFO
news. What do you got for me? But well, I got from our good old friend Luis Alasondo. There's an article on medium dot com and it's really a great article. I hope people will get a chance to read through it and why why unidentified aerial phenomena are national security risk and also an opportunity for progress. That's the title of his his article here, and so he basically talks about a careers. A career's worth of intelligence work for the
US government has taught him. One key lesson national security is a lot like playing a game of chess. You have to anticipate your opponents every move in order to remain a step ahead. So and disclosing your strategy will be used against you. But if you recognize certain opportunities, you can win the match.
So he basically talks about when he was getting involved in the Advanced the Advanced Aerosmith Threat Identification a t i P. And he worked as uh, you know, with the team to assess whether you know, these were actually a threat. And he just kind of puts it in a familiar way of like a board game and what they had to do, the back and forth.
But he also says there are risks and keeping that information classified. Say the person who first learned how to harness the fire never shared it with the next generation, or the person who invented the telescope threw it away when he was done using it. And what if the creator of the wheel decided it was too labor intensive for others to build and decided to forget it. And
I get exactly what he's saying. And oftentimes I wonder, you know, like if a certain person was never born, you know, like Einstein, What if Einstein was never born, you know, where would we be now? Some people just absolutely shape where we are in our future and all that well, as he goes on to say, as a species, we're meant to evolve, and we needed to. We needed those advancements to get where
we are today. Reports of strange crafts with seemingly un unexplicable properties have been circulating within the US government for at least seventy years, which suggests it is not going away. There's something out there, and declassifying certain information about up UAP and sharing it with the public could lead to new technology discoveries, new forms of medical research, and or broad a view of how humanity understands reality. So, I mean, he makes so many good points in this.
Have you read through this? Actually? Oh yeah, I've read through and dissect it and reread different parts because I think this article is very important and I do have it on I guess at an update or at least a little clue for people from behind the scenes. I do know another article's coming. But what I love about this article, First of all, I think he's
right right on. I mean, he makes some really good points here, including at the end getting into you know, if the government doesn't share information, and this is a point that Jacques Valet has made even when he did his un talk back in the seventies. He says, essentially just this sentence what Aleszando said, secrecy empowers people selling their snake oil and YouTuber's profit from
peddling their ill informed narratives about UFOs. So pretty strong statement. He went on and said, soon people start believing in Elvis living on mothership, just as they once believed you could fall off the edge of the earth. So the point is, if we're they're being too secretive. He's trying to explain why they would want to be secretive, in that we don't want dangerous information
getting to the enemy. But at the same time he's saying that we still need to reveal some information because it's important for the world to grow, like the point you made with Einstein. So I agree with these points that he's making. This is also there are a number really of really important statements in this article. Another one is, since the government views unidentified aerial phenomena UAPs as a potential national security issue, they're secretive by necessity. They don't want
to reveal any information to a potential enemy. That is a very very important statement coming from you know, someone who investigated UFOs for the government, and he's saying first of all that they do see it as a potential threat, and second of all as a threat that requires a potential threat that requires secrecy and why. And I think that for US researching, maybe that's not news, but it's it's a statement. It's a fairly aff statement, you know,
which is very important. We haven't had something like that. Of course, Nick Pope says similar things because he worked for the mod investigating UFOs. In fact, Nick Pope says very similar things to Elizondo throughout because they have these similar backgrounds. But and we get more insight into help governments and militaries,
you know, react to this phenomena or deal with it. And so it's as much a conversation to the public as I think it is to his colleagues as to why we need to at least be talking with the public about this and sharing some information with the public and hopefully more information will come out. But yeah, what a great article, I thought, right, right, And you know, I've heard Stan Freeman say something similar along the lines like, you know, we wouldn't want if we were able to back engineer,
we would not want that. Me hands and so I get that part of it too. If there was some type of parallel to that, I mean, is he is he stating anything along those lines, not necessarily back engineering, But I know one of the things to the Stars has claimed is that they would like to sort of back engineer by how something is, you know, operating, And I can't quite understand exactly what they mean by that. Did you have any more information on that back engineering how the objects are
operating? Yeah, by just by observing. That's kind of about what To the Stars has claimed they were planning on doing. Yes, in fact, you know a lot of different groups have claimed to have done that. In fact, Stanton Friedman was hired for a project ran by Bob Woods and I can't remember the company. I think it was Lockheed, but or it was Martin Marietta. It was one of the large defense contractors, and they essentially
had told Bob Wood, Okay, you're into UFOs. Start a project where you try to figure out if you can glean any technology from these UFOs. So it's a big deal. You know that a private corporation would do this publicly, and who knows private corporations may be doing this non publicly. Of course Bigelow has done something similar, but a lot of the move On people, such as John Schuster, who was a NASA engineer, they felt the same, what can we learn from observing these phenomena? And so they have
observed them and there are things that they feel that they have learned. I think Alexander's talked about this a little bit. He doesn't like to get too much into it because he says, first of all, I'm not a physicist. Second of all, it's speculative. But what they can do is observe, Yeah, just by observing the performance, observing the way something maneuvers, and observing potential effects such as electromagnetic effects uh that physically they have on things,
and or you know, by observing potential like auras. You know a lot of people talk about these things having sort of a halo of energy around them and that can be give them clues. So from the observations that they have, including the videos which have been released that I know, they do feel that they have been able to glean they have some theories that they want
to move down. And these theories fit their theoretical theories as to how you know, anti gravity may work and so or at least anti gravity type of effect, so or I guess a propulsion that yeah, does give them clues to technologies they may be able to develop, or at least help them head down the road. You know. And on this point, even with Star
Trek, Star Trek was a television show. But the reason we have and there has been studies, there have been lectures on this, The reason you know, the technology we have is similar to Star Trek is not that necessarily Star Trek was insightful into where we were headed. It was more that the engineers were inspired by the technologies you know that they created into Star Trek,
and so engineers moved towards creating those things and so fascinating. Yeah, and that is an interesting phenomenon because that would be the question, Wow, they were really good at particular the future. Well, no, they were actually really good at shaping the future. So observations or even you know, creative brainstorming or entertainment can't influence the evolution of technology. So yeah, certainly the
observations. I think that's an interesting thing to think about too, because if we are observing advanced civilizations, then they would likely be aware because that's a big deal. With us. You know, when we're when scientists are examining a phenomena. You know, it's documented that there's an observer effect, the observer effects what they're observing, and so they will they should be aware of that, So they should be They would make sense that they would know that
they're having an effect on us. Interesting. Huh yeah, really interesting. And there's also two The stars released the it's kind of condensed, and but they released his moufon Alixander's moufon talk. Yes, And I know some people thought this was boring and I'm not sure why because I don't get it. I mean, what he is doing is talking about how the government looked at the UFO phenomena, how they tackled it, how they broke it down,
and how they decided they needed to investigate and why. And I mean it's extraordinary insight into, you know, how the government would tackle this issue, and it's great insight into how a professional way in investigating this, especially from people who have resources. I mean, it's extraordinary that we've got this guy, after decades of being told that the government doesn't care about UFOs, We've got this guy who worked at the Pentagon doing the stuff giving us this incredible
information and these these are amazing times. You know, a lot of researchers, I know George Napp feels this way as well, are just like wow, you know this is amazing that this is happening right now. And sorry, real quick, Uh I did get to I've got oh my secret project. Oh geez, we only have a few minutes. Yeah, so I better get that in the secret project was in Las Vegas. Essentially it was
for a friend and family premiere of Hunt for the Skinwalker. So I did get an interview with Jeremy and an interview with George Knapp that we'll be posting on Den of Geek and on Open Minds and so we've got a lot of stuff to hype up the movie. But the movie's great, and so it was really cool to see George and all of those guys. But yeah, even more insight into how weird you know these government investigations got. Yeah,
yeah, I know. There was something revealed too that the government was actually involved in the research there. Yeah, really that was not revealed here so much like I've been talking about this because George Knapp really revealed this, but it was very it was hidden somewhat. In an article on KLAS, he talked about how we just discovered that this discovernment program was centered here in Nevada,
and what he was talking about was Bigelow. So he revealed that this cooperation had been going back for years and included research such as the Skinwalker Ranch. So really that was the first kind of outing of that, but they get more into it in this film, and this film is really you know, outing that or discussing that in a bigger arena. But you're right, that's what also makes this film so significant is that you know, the Skinwalker
Ranch, it turns out, was funded by the government. Yeah, amazing, m m yep, all good stuff. Boy, Yeah, boy, this this news thing went by really fast today, didn't it. It just about out of time. I know, it flew and it's such exciting news. But I guess we'll just talk about more news next time. But I guess we are out of time, so we need to get to our interview. But once again, thank you so much for joining us today. That's always a pleasure and you know that. Yes, well, I'm glad you
find it that way. It is for me as well. Awesome. All right, Well let's go ahead and get into our interview with Chris O'Brien right after this break. Hello, and welcome back to Open Minds CUFO Radio. I am your host, Alejandro Rojas, and I am happy to have back on the show. Chris O'Brien. Hello, mister O'Brien, good to be back. Yes, and it's exciting what you're working on, and for several reasons. But we'll go ahead and introduce that. But so, of course
your specialty, and some people may have forgotten. I don't know, because you it's been a while. You know, one of your earlier research and what you really got known for is San Luis Valley, which is in Colorado, which is pretty strange, almost like a big skin walker ranch. Yeah, supersized, Yeah, supersize. So maybe you could tell people about the valley. Well, yeah, it is America's best kept paranormal secret by by
far leaps and bounds. It sits at an average height of about seven five hundred feet and it's geologically about one hundred and forty five miles long seventy miles wide at its widest point, kind of looks like a giant football flattened out but surrounded by you know, eleven twelve thousand to fourteen thousand foot high mountains, and it sits right there at the bottom in the center of Colorado, right right at the border, and at the very southern end of the valley,
of course, is the world famous New Mexico art colony of Taos with the Taos Pueblo. And that's about as far north as the Spanish got in the fifteen and sixteen hundreds before spending two hundred years getting the nerve up to go north into the valley. I moved there in nineteen eighty nine. I knew about the valley. I just happened to arrive there. Coincidentally, I'd moved out from the East coast to Santa Fe, and I just I instantly
didn't like living there in Santa Fe. Kind of the universe was telling me that it wasn't right for me. I saw two fatal car accidents and a guy get hit by a bus. It was just really not good, you know. All the signs were that I should look for somewhere else. So my girlfriend and I had friends that lived up in Crestone, this cool little mining town up in the San Luis Valley, and they had an extra couple of bedrooms, and they said, once, come on up and check it
out. And you know, if you don't like it, there's plenty of other places around here you might like Pagosa and Waallsenburg and other places. And I ended up living there for thirteen years, and starting in ninety two through two thousand and two, when I moved out, I did a ten year investigation of the valley that resulted in three books. One was a bestseller, The Mysterious Valley, and I really dug into just the most bewildering and amazing
array of paranormal events I think unrivaled anywhere in the United States. At least. There's a variety and intensity of unusual, unexplained experiences and reports there that's unrivaled anywhere in the country. Everything from hundreds of UFO sidings over the time period, dozens and dozens of cattle mutilations, flying humanoids, trooping fairies,
could crime, weird weather, aber and social behavior. The list goes on and on, cryptos stuff, bigfoot, unexplained dimensional type, portal activity, Native American sacred sites. The list goes on and on and on, and that's why I wrote three books about it. So anyway, I have always ever since I started getting involved in the early nineties there, I've always had this this just wish and goal of attempting to put together a surveillance net around
the valley. The valley is so open and so you know, it's just so pristine there. If you get up on the foothills, you can see almost three hundred miles and it's just unencumbered. There's no there's no trees in the middle of the valley, very few trees, there's no know, nothing
blocks your line of sight to the horizon. And so initially when I tried to cost out what it would cost to put in a triangulated or two or three camera surveillance net there, the cost was somewhere upwards of a million dollars to do it properly with a level of technology, and the cost of that technology back in the nineties. Now that cost is all the way down and we can do it. We're going to be end up spending about ten twelve
thousand dollars to do this project. And not only do we have pan till zoom cameras that are being operated automatically by software, but we also have these we call them ms MS DAU or multi sensor data acquisition units, which have equipment in there that will measure changes in the Earth's magnetic field, changes in
the Earth's gravitational field. We're going to have it all plugged into Flight Radar twenty four, which will automatically tell us if anything flying around has got transponders like you know, regular commercial aviation and military flights, that sort of thing. We're going to be plugged into the NASA Medior site. We're gonna be plugged into space dot Com, so if we do have events, we can go back and look at satellite imaging of the area during the time period that
we're interested in. This is historic, Alejandro. No one has ever done this before. It's groundbreaking. I posted stuff on the internet, you know, about our gofund project, and you know, pictures of the gear and stuff, and it was like, I couldn't believe the aroaring silence, because everybody is either they're either I don't know, in a state of waking coma, or they have it's going totally over their head how important this could be. But very few people have given me an ada boy and hey, way
to go. It's a little disheartening. I think people are more interested in going to hoax sites and watching bad character generated images. There's definitely that. I mean, I have that problem with the show because we like to stick with more credible stuff, so you know, everybody wants to hear about the
real wacky, crazy speculation it's instead of the hard stuff. But I think the other problem you have is a little bit of fatigue in that, you know, we've had these other organizations and people probably are like, oh, we've heard this before because we've had these other organizations say they're going to do
this, but you are much further along. I mean, you have the hardware ready to roll, whereas these other groups you say they're going to do something thing similar still after all these years, don't have anything to show for it. Yeah, and we won't mention any names, but ye yes, And we were very very fortunate to get our newest team member, a computer
engineer and inventor and software designer named Ron olsch Out in California. He has put in over five thousand hours designing our detect motion follow motion, you know, motion tracking, and also sending signals to the other cameras so that they zoom in on the object. So we have three cameras operating looking at a particular event, and we go into record mode. At that point, emails are sent to you know, the three principles in the project myself, we're
on in Wayne Hollandbeck. We're getting alerts in real time. And when we have the MS dau pas, you know, all out there in the field, they will then go into record mode and record all those scientific changes in the energy fields that I was referring to. Later or earlier, and then later we're going to have a We have other things planned too. We want to do kind of a clandestine poltse gradar. We want to have telescopes on
pan and tilt platforms. We want analogue optical gear that has blazed gratings that separate the light into the light spectra. This is science, folks. This is not throwing hub caps in the air and sitting at your computer drawing light bulbs flying around, punch whole clouds, that sort of thing. This is
real science. If we can replicate the data that we get on more than one event, we will do what Skinwalker Ranch scientists couldn't do, and that is actually write a paper and get you know, combine our efforts with a real credited scientist, an optical physicist in other scientific disciplines to actually do a paper and publish it. This has never ever been done before. This is potentially historic. I am so proud to be a part of this team.
I am so proud of Ron Olsch. He's written over ten thousand lines of code. The software is a poor man's military targeting software, if you will. And you know, I could go on and on and on talking about the actual technical side of this, but basically, what we're going to be able to do is capture hard scientific data of anomalous aerial object events. Well and at your GoFundMe and other cool thing that you have just to kind of show along. First you have pictures of the equipment I'm ready to roll,
and then you also have a video which I think is really cool. Further kind of acknowledgment that you all are ready to roll, that you're far along, that this motion tracking software video that you posted there is really cool. Yeah, it's like poor man's military targeting software basically, but the SLEW rate
here work even though it's only yeah, it's only targeting a plane. I mean, Ron lives you know in the valley there in southern Colorado or southern California rather, and so he doesn't have the ability to track fast moving objects like we're going to be seen in the valley. However, we have tested the slew rate for the panning of the cameras and we can follow a really
fast motion. I'm not exactly sure what our slew rates are. It depends obviously on the size of the object, the distance from the camera, and how fast it's traveling, but I estimate at between thirty and forty miles. Something traveling ten thousand miles an hour will easily be able to be tracked.
And other other instrumentation that we're looking at too. It's very important for people to understand that the UFO events or UAP events have other things going on that the human senses can't pick up. In other words, compressed time ghost imaging
objects moving around faster than the human eye can can perceive. Also, acoustic signatures all the way down to ten cycles, extremely long, huge base waves if you will, extremely little frequency waves that when objects do dramatic turns, right hand turns, reversal of direction at high speed, they're impacting the actual atmosphere sonically, and if you have the proper PZM plate mic set up, you can actually record these acoustic signatures of these objects when they're making these dramatic
turns. So and this is something that many people know in the field, even you know, some scientists aren't even aware of this, I think. And so, you know, we do have plans for Phase two to go into even more exotic recording technology that include, like I said, the acoustic
wave of signature recordings. And also if people would get off their assets and we can get some really good deep pocket we could have long range nitrogen cool forward looking infrared and actually get some real good heat signature data with you know, twenty thousand dollars Flaer cameras. People say, well, Flair is a dead expensive. Yeah, if you want a Fleer camera that looks at fifty feet from you, yeah you can buy them, you know, for fairly
expensive. But if you want something that's going to be looking at imaging objects out at fifty miles, it's a whole different ballgame. So anyway, we have a lot of plans for this. You know, if I could get the public to get their collective head, put their collective hands in their wallets, then maybe we could really take this to the next level. But hey, you know, it's rowing silence, lots of yawns and people going, oh that's cool, man. It's like, well, yeah, it is
cool. But be a part of the solution, not a continuing part of the problem. Well, you know, although you say that you've done fairly well, I mean already you only have thirteen people donating, but they all put in like a big, pretty big chunk. You've got twelve hundred dollars, which isn't too bad. And I think what people should understand also is what you're talking about. The expense that you're talking about is relatively very low.
I mean that is very inexpensive to cover what is literally the largest valley in the United States or mountain, you know, valley in the United States, no, in the world, the largest alpine valley in the world. Wow, we're going to be covered about five thousand square miles of aerospace unencumbered with no blockage, I mean horizon to horizon three hundred and sixty degrees. And you know, like you said, and one of the reasons another reason
that this valley is so good for this is that it's very remote. I mean, Taos is pretty popular. It's Alamosa has a small college, but otherwise it's really small, and like you said, there are so many I had my first UFO siding there in that valley. My family goes back in the valley, and the valley is important. In fact, open Minds you can find tons of news about the San Luis Valley, mostly about your work. But you can also see on the front page my sighting because I talked
about it at that Comic Conic Project Blue Book. So I have that video and the photo about my sighting. But that was in the San Luis Valley at the UFO Watchtower, which was created, you know, kind of before during the lull of really kind of UFO popularity, just because so many people see stuff out there right well, you know, I kind of laugh about
the watchtower. Judy Messoline, who came up with the idea and built it, she had read my book The Mysterious Valley, and she called me up and said, Hey, what would you think if I built something there? And I said, Wow, that's so cool. And so you know,
I was going to do her floor. I was going to actually do the an Adobe floor and therefore, but she decided to go with concrete and and I mean if I was going to put a watch tower somewhere, that would be the spot because it has a front row on the Great Sand Dunes Blanca and the Bacca Ranch area, which is the probably the most per capita.
There's more UFO sidings in that section of America than any other spot, and in a valley that has seven or eight people per square mile, and it's you know, if you live in Crestone, it's one hundred and twenty miles round trip just to go to the supermarket. Wow, this is a This is a big, huge open area. And with cameras that have thirty six times optical zoom and then times three, we're going to be getting some really cool stuff. And I probably shouldn't say this, Salejandro, but I'm going
to go out on a limb a little bit. The whole Sangrated Crystal Range, which is the eastern side of the valley from the middle of the valley up to the north part of the valley, is the western edge of the La Vida Low Flight Military Operations Area where we train all our Air National Guard pilots and we actually we testify exotic black aircraft. Don't tell anybody. I've had some pretty weird experiences with that aircraft out there and in the sound grated
Christians. In fact, I think one time we heard the sonic boom before we saw the plane, and then we saw the plane zip by. It was black, I felt at the time, this was in the nineties, we were backpacking my way up in the hills there. I think it was I felt it was maybe like an s R. Seventy one or something.
It was huge and it was black. That was a weird experience. Well, we're going to have a front row seat for the MTR, the military training route that goes north to south there along the Song Grays, and we're
gonna be able to capture some really cool natural phenomenon. The Cristo is the longest continuous mountain range in the United States, is filled with courts, and when it gets forty below in the wintertime with five percent humidity, occasionally the courts will discharge up into the atmosphere, these piezo electric discharge static discharges, and to my knowledge, no one has ever been able to photograph that. So it would be historic from an actual geological scientific point of view to be
able to record those. Number one number two. We have I think earthquake fault lights that people like William Corlis, Paul Devereux, Michael Persinger have talked about as being a possible explanation for some, not all, some UFO siding reports. And also the area just north and west of the Great Sand Dunes right out in front of the watchtower is filled with two billion dollars worth of methane. Now, if the conditions are right, sometimes methane can fluoresce.
I'm not sure what the actual scientific process is, but it's what Alan Heine called swamp gas. Yeah, that thing can actually create light and color when
it is exposed to the right environmental conditions. So not only are we looking for anomalous aerial objects and black you know, our tax dollars flying by, but we're also looking at separating out the whet from the chap, separating out natural phenomena, things like helicopters flying by the sun hitting the canopy at the right angle to make it bloom into a wonderful silver orb I have a footage
of that from our beta test that we did in twenty ten. We have a camera image of a small helicopter and the sun is hitting the canopy and it turns into this giant kind of silver orb flying by. We want to be able to use the data to factor out false positives and really zero in and drill down on what TRUFO scientific UFO research is all about. It's really exciting app just because and let's talk about these timelines. How soon and what
are the next steps? So how soon will you be at deploying you know, actual equipment. How much money do you need to start that? And once you get the money, how quickly can you roll those sort of things? Well in a week and a half. I'm not sure when you're going to be broadcasting, but starting on the sixteenth of September through the twentieth that
forty period, we're going to be putting up two cameras. One is going to be on a cell tower north of Mona Vista on the eastern side of the valley or the western side, pardon me, western side of the valley. One will be eighteen miles away to the east at the UFO Watchtower. And then I'm going to be setting up the planning stages of putting a camera at the Great Sand Dunes Oasis, which is low located just south of the entrance to the Great sand In National Park, and that triangulated array is going
to be our main array for our first deployment. Now, there's also a chance that I'll be putting up a fourth camera up in crestone way high up on the mountains, over one thousand feet above the valley floor, to kind of overlook the entire triangulated camera array as a fourth kind of you know, God in the sky kind of camera, if you will. Now that's phase one is the first two cameras. Phase two will be next spring, will
be the camera out at the Great sand Ins Oasis. And we're also going to be putting in our ms DAU, our multi Sensor Data Acquisition unit, which has the scientific gear that's going to be detecting changes in the magnetic field, of gravitational field, and all the things I described before. Initially we're not going to be putting those and we're still working out the triangulation software.
That process is undergoing its final stages in California as we speak. We do have the gear already built and we have cameras that them be a mile apart overlooking Catalina Island up on the cliffs of San Pedro, and we're going to be finishing up our software development for triangulation there for the actual MSDAU units, and then next spring we're going to put those one, possibly two of those units into the Valley, and we're going to put the second, the third
camera at the Great Sanding TWSIS, and possibly a fourth camera in Crestone those two cameras we already have. We already have the ms DAU units, and then once we get that all together, we're going to come up with a price list that's going to make it affordable and easy for people who live in a hotspot area or wherever to get their own set of cameras, their own set of multi sensor data acquisition units, the msda US, so that they
can set up their own network. Yet Mount Adams, Mount Shasta, the White Sands in Mexico, Dolls Say, the Hudson Valley, there's all sorts of places that are already interested in getting these units once we demonstrate the viability
of it. So ultimately our plan is to provide the equipment for these networks and slowly expand across the country in hotspot areas and then hopefully even expand worldwide, get some units over into Europe, get some units in South America, get some units in Hawaii and other places that have you know, pretty consistent
activity. So this is not just a just the back backyard San Louis Valley's Vanity project by any step where we really have big plans, and of course it's all going to be ingined on interest, funding and these sort of things. In terms of funding, we don't need really too much money to do
what we're set to do here. In a couple of weeks, have my my gear and I have enough expense money to travel air and actually do the installations, pay people to install cameras, pay internet costs, pay maintenance costs for the next year. All this is already covered. What we're doing now is trying to continue to go funding process so we can build more sensing units, buy more cameras, keep working on the software, make it more and more sophisticated. As we dial it in and we get it, we get
it really tweaked and setting ready to go. We want to start expanding the capabilities we want to start adding in these new sensing units. We want to make sure that our interfacing with flight you know, radar twenty four and the NASA bull Eyed projects and stuff that we want to be working with. We want to make sure that we've got to do these things are integrated. So we got to go to break, so we'll be right back to talk more
about this. We've got Chris O'Brien here and we're talking about this exciting project UFO data acquisition projects, so we'll be talking about that more as soon as we come back. If you're on kg R, then you'll hear some commercials. For the rest of you, you'll hear a short musical interlude. We'll be right back with Chris O'Brien. Welcome back to Open Mind GFO Radio.
I'm your host, Alejandro Rojas, and we're talking to Chris O'Brien. And I don't know if you noticed this, but this is also cool about your gofund me, Chris, is that it says, at least currently that your campaign is trending. So hopefully we can keep that going because I think that helps you get more visibility as well. Yeah, hopefully again. I just I don't think people realize how significant this particular project really is. There's never
been anything like it in the history of upology. The only thing that comes close is the famous or notorious Hazelin project in Norway, and what separates us from them is we're triangulated. They only have single units working and they pretty much kind of have a I think they're dialing in the fact that they're looking at natural phenomena there. The valley there does not have the kind of variety and intensity of activity that we see in the San Louis Valley in other places.
That's what separates us from their project. But you know, again, we really tip our hats to Jacques Valat and his efforts in the seventies to try to put you know, cameras up in Happy Valley, California. Of course, the indomitable Ray Stanford who kind of led the wave really in seventy three with the Project Starlight effort. They got two million dollars together to have recording video cameras, lasers, radar, all sorts of stuff, and they
had success. Ray is our chief consultant. He's one of our chief analysts who's going to be helping analyze our data once we start collecting it. And you know, Jacques play has given us some suggestions and has been very find
and his uh, you know, his help. We have other Ron Riguer, of course, who worked for air Jet and Douglas Aircraft and helped design you know, engineering manuals for some of our most classified satellite technology, and you know, help design the second stage of Apollo, the Saturn five. And he's a very close friend and also one of our our our you know,
really valuable advisors and consultants. So you know, we do have a team that's that's supporting us not only from the day to day development side, but also from the conceptional and and then of course once we start collecting data
on the analytical side as well, which is also as important. Once you have something like is there a one place where you're going to be putting out information to the public as you hopefully capture interesting stuff even if you're able to debunk it, or even if it's not that you know, it's not exotic, like for example, I'm sure you're going to get because these guys are
so huge there. If anybody goes and looks at pictures at the watch Tower or even go to Google and maps and look at it, you'll see pictures that are amazing, but you're probably gonna get great like media ripes, and they're just really cool, cool videos. Is there gonna be a place where you're going to be putting all that up. Yeah. Initially we were going to have a live streaming situation and that was that's really kind of you know,
our was on our wish list. But the more we talk to the scientific community and people that really, you know, we respect, they they're telling us that you can't. You can't have a live feed because people are gonna grab stuff. They're gonna you know, make a big deal out of false positives. They'll take your footage and superimpose bad CG and claim it's real. It just opens up too many balls of wax. So initially, what we're gonna do is we're going to have a page on my website. Our
Strange Plant will be the initial home for the project. But I want to put together and I'm working with a web page developer to have a dedicated page for the project, and each of the camera deployments will have their own section of the website. So the initial obviously, the initial section will be the San Luis Valley, the second one will be sam Pedro off Catalina Island,
and the third hopefully we'll be up in Washington State. Around the Trout Lake Mount Adams area, or possibly on the other side of the cascades over at the Yakama Indian Reservation just north of the Hanford Nuclear site. Those are the first two additional places that we're looking at. So each one of those, once we get deployments, they will have their own session in the website.
And as soon as we have something that we feel we've identified, let's say that it's not exotic like Meteor's cool bird footage that maybe had scratching our heads for a while, or maybe some tax dollars stuff flying by, well, we'll have to have to think about that. But you know, the false positive stuff we want to put up there and show people how you could be fooled by naturally occurring things and and and what to look forward to id these
things. And once we get something really cool and exhausted, then you know, the whole analytical process will go full speed ahead and we'll we'll be analyzing the information. We'll be you know, very carefully and painstakingly logging the information in a scientific manner. We'll be able to then uh hopefully get some peer
review and uh, we'll see about that. But at some point obviously, then this stuff will be uh, you know, we want to be as transparent as we as we can possibly be, and this stuff obviously will be made available to the public. One of the things that I've suggested is to have a second camera along with the real, you know, heavy duty scientific camera, but have a second camera that that is streaming live on the internet so people can kind of tune in when they want, but doesn't have all
the bells and whistles that the expensive gear has. Yeah, because it does make sense. Unfortunately, as you and I know and are always frustrated with, there are so many people who do fake videos and they're very popular and you know, we have to feel questions about these stupid fake video sites all
the time because they're out there. So it's unfortunately a really big concern that I'm sure you know, whoever advice you is right and you know this as well, that people will take your videos and then add cg UFOs and claim they're real, and unfortunately more people are prone to believe that than the real stuff. It's funny how that works, isn't jeez. Well, yeah, that is a major concern, and you know, we do really want this
to be as open source. We're going to supply the public with all our odes, all our software designs will be available for anybody that wants it. It's all open source. We're going to attempt when we sell these packages to do it as to keep the price down as far down as possible so it's
affordable. You know, Ron obviously is spending a lot of time on you know, on his own dime doing this work, so we want to give him at least a minimum amount of money to be you know, fiber fabricating these these sensor packages and you know, so we're gonna have to add a little bit on there, but a full system could be as low as twenty
five hundred dollars. Now that's amazing when you think about it. The amount of science for twenty five hundred dollars you could have in a package like this means a lot of people could afford to set this up in a proper location in their neck of the woods and become part of a solution, not exacerbate, you know the problem, which is all these poor people out there, the mesmura by bad CG and flying hubcaps and and bird shots at the right
angle. It's just it's so disheartening, and I know you know what I'm saying, Alejandro, it's such it's just so frustrating to know that the average level of education in this field in the public is going down and leaps and bounds. And this project will be an attempt to not only capture some of this stuff as it flies by and analyze it properly and present it to the scientific community in a way that's irrefutable. That's the main goal. But the
other goal is to educate people. This is not a UFO. This is these events, even though they look impressive, are really not what we're looking at. What we're looking for. These are the bull eides. These are earthquake lights as pyrozoelectric effects. These are swamp gas. This is insects flying by close to the camera, birds and by further away. You know,
glitches in software. You know, all this stuff is going to be you know, really good resolution, so you don't have all that YouTube compression that people, you know think that it makes people's eyes look like like lizards and just so much you know, BF ignorance. I hate to say it, you know, but man, there's a lot of people out there that really don't know their ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to analyzing something in an intelligent, educated manner. Yes, frustrating, no doubt.
But is this what you're going to be talking about also at that Devil's Tower this weekend? Yes, I'm going to be talking about the Sand Louis Valley. Give people kind of some background on the location, and then dive right into the project and hopefully, you know, generate some excitement and also get some feedback from yourself and Karen and Mark D'Antonio and with Weatherly and David Marler
and Lee Spiegel and you know the other speakers there. I can't wait to bounce some of this stuff off, talk a little shop, do a little inside baseball, and find out what you guys think, some ideas that you might have, concerns, you might have suggestions. That's invaluable for me because I really respect everybody that's going to be there and I really want to to, you know, make this as much of a team effort as possible. That reminds me because you know, Mark is working on kind of a project
to side project that is the same. Of course, they've been working on us for years and they haven't finished their system yet. But you photog? Yeah, you photog so hopefully you know, we've had him on probably at least once a year to talk about it for the last few years, and and they're still working on it. But have you I mean, I would imagine are you open. Let's say there are other groups, such as the other groups, who are wanting to attempt something like this. Say hey,
Chris, you've already got something rolling. You've proven it's a good system and it's working. Can we jump on board and help you maybe fixed designs and incorporate this and to our network as well. Please please? Yes, Yes, I'm a team player. There's so many people running around thinking that they own the process. You know, my proverbial dung doesn't stink. I'm the coolest guy on the block. Blah blah blah. I don't like that kind
of iconoclastic, standalone thinking. This isn't a tennis match, it's a football game. Okay. I'm a team player. I want to work with people. I want to bounce ideas off each other. I don't want any sort of ego involved in all this. There's too many egos in this field, Alejandro, and that's what creates a lot of the divisions. You know, people say, well, this is my turf. I don't want you to. I am open for any and all critiques, comments, suggestions, help,
collaborations, requests for my advice and my help. I'm willing to be all things for all projects and anything I can do to help them, I am more than happy to do it. In fact, i'd be honored to
that. And I think that's exciting because I know you've had you've you've already made offers like this to the other organizations out there, and you know, I'm sure everybody's like, yeah, yeah, everybody's trying to do this, But what what gives you What what's great is you're the first out of the gate to actually make it happen, and that's really important, and these others haven't. So you're going to have information and processes that are and experiences that
are going to be invaluable to everyone. So I hope that helps them take you more seriously and then be like, Okay, well he's got this role and maybe we do need to just jump on board and help them out and or at least pay attention, because if they're excited about, you know, the projects, genuinely then you know what they'll want. They'll be excited for you in your project and that you've made it thus far, and it is
exciting that finally we'll be able to start to get things. And I have a feeling that you're going to get some really cool video for pretty quickly. Well in not only really cool video, but we're going to get really cool scientific data about changes in the Earth's magnetic, gravitational, and acoustic fields. That's I mean, the optical stuff is fun. The camera stuff is fun. But the real meat and potatoes data and stuff that scientists start slobbering over
is the kind of sensory data that we're really after. I mean, the optical stuff is cool because then it says, hey, look we have all these changes in the Earth, you know, energetic processes, and this is what it looks like. It's you know, the the what's the the cliche at the fourth of July ooh a jeep, you know that's that's all and
dandy. It's the real data on graphs, stuff that you can you know, take to the take to the Optical Physics Journal, and stuff that can be taken to Goddard Space Flight Center and the jet propulsion lab places like that. That's that's what we're interested in. That's exciting stuff. And the the other I think, I think that's what makes yeah, this really really important, and where you're going to be is important, and you might I mean
you're hitting on all of the big stuff. First of all, having the right equipment and the right sensory data to collect, and then also the price point of course is really important because I can see businesses even throughout the valley or individuals. So for instance, because dulce Is is such a hot spot and such a big everybody's curious about Daulsa. It probably takes no problem to get someone to dominate twenty five hundred dollars to put in a by gear to
put into. They'll say, yeah, and then it costs to putting in and maintain it. Now they'll say, but you know, as the crow flies is only about fifty miles away from the valleys, that people forget that. You know, d'set is kind of the red hair and hey, everybody look over here while the real stuff's going on in the SLV. I've been
saying that for years. But you're right, Th'll say, is a great place because there's lots of very close in uh you know, it's a it's a more concentrated area and it has more of an opportunity to put up eye in the sky type you know, camera positions that would be able to cover a smaller area but really effectively. So d'seys, you know, high up in our list. White Sands around a square peak outside of the White Sands Proving Grounds is another area that we're very interested in. I have interest from
Pine Bush in New Yorks and valley stuff. The Black Hills of South Dakota, where we're going to be next week, is also a notorious utiful high spot. You don't hear about it as much because, you know, like the San Luis Valley, people see stuff there all the time and it's almost normal for them, so you know, they don't report it because it's not a big deal. It's like, why reports that we see all the time. People don't understand that places like the San Luis Valley that is number one
in the North America for per capita sidings. There's two and seventy four events cited for every ten thousand people in the population. But I think and I would guess that less than one in fifty or sixty sidings is reported in the San Luis Valley. So whenever you see any numbers of reports, I have somewhere around six hundred that have ten bits of data that I that I can rely on, you know, that can go into my database times that by
fifty, you know. And if you go to the if you go to my on stellar site, or you go to my website Ourstrange planet dot com, you'll notice in there that there's a map that it took me quite a while to put together that has all the sighting reports that I investigated from ninety two to two thousand and two. Each one of the saucers you see on that map is five reports. So that'll give you an idea of how intense
the activity can be when stuff is really really popping around there. Back in the nineties, I got as many as seventeen reports in one day, just to give you an idea of how intense it can get there at times. And we have a recent the last month there's been a dozen reports that we have, including a couple of good photographs. So you know, I'm hoping
that we're going to hit that nice fall wave. Usually it's fall in spring where the waves happen, and we're hoping that we can surf that wave and get some really good quality stuff by the end of November beginning of December. So on your map, just about at the New Mexico border on the south end of the valley, you have a set that is labeled investigate at your own risk. Yeah, And there's one just to the east of the San Grated Crystals again along on the border with New Mexico and Colorado, that is
also labeled that way. And why are they labeled that way? Well, Number one, they're holes in my data. I have a real hard time investigating in those areas for various reasons. And also it's where there's a lot of suspicious kind of government stuff going on, military stuff. And so I know one of those hills there because I used to drive this all the time
when I lived in Denver my mom was in Albuquerque. I would drive through the Plus I would go there to vacation every summer at the sand Dunes once or twice. Rick, our buddy Rick, you know, has that monthly or yearly event that I go to as well where he has camping out there and skywatching and stuff. And then the Paradigm group. Yeah, I remember, I think it's Ute Mountain or or the I think one called Turtle Mountain where people suspect or something under it. Huh. Yeah, Ute Mountain is
suspect San Antonio Peak, which is the sister mountain that's below Antonito. Uh, that's where all the bigfoot reports come from from there, up the Corneis Canyon area. Ute Mountain is right there the Rio Grande Gorge, and we've had reports of helicopters flying in and not flying out, and helicopters flying out, but no apparent reason why they should be there. These are areas that you know, Donald Rumsfeld has an elk ranch ted turner has a big,
huge spread. Uh. You know, I could I could go on and on privately about these areas, but I prefer to kind of leave it a little bit nebulous here on on you know the radio. Yeah, beautiful area too, all of that. Don't say all of that area so gorgeous. But we are out of time. But thank you so much. You definitely have an advocate in me, so I, as much as possible, will be out there trying to promote this. I've already shared. Well. I
appreciate that on all our social media, you're go fundme. But yeah, let me go ahead and give that go fundme address because I know there's people out there, Alejandro that think like we do that that really want to see this field move forward not become stagnant. Go to GoFundMe dot com forward slash ufo d's and dog a is in Apple p isn't projected ufo d a p uh dash s l V for San Luis Valley. So GoFundMe dot com forward slash ufo d AP dash s l V. Thanks a lot, all right,
my pleasure. Thank you so much for coming on again. Hey, I can't wait to with you guys, and you know, kick this whole thing around here next week. It's going to be a lot of fun. I've never been to Devil's Towers, so I'm really looking forward to. Oh it's gorgeous here. It's amazing, I know, I get wait. Thank you so much to Chris O'Brien for joining us on the show. Really interesting
stuff. I'm so excited about his program. If you want to help him out, which I encourage you to do so, because really he's gotten the costs down very low and it's worth it. I mean, it's so great that he's made this affordable as well as making it functional. So if you go to go fundme, you can look for UFO DAP for the San Luis Valley. Just type in UFO DAP and you should be able to find it.
You can also find out more information at his website Ourstrange planet dot com and if you got the time, you can also find out more at the Devil's Tower UFO rendezvous this weekend the thirteenth to the fifteenth. Chris myself, Lispiegel, Mark D'Antonio, David Marler and of course the lovely Karen Brard doing her first lecture there at the event. It should be a ton of fun. We were there last year and the people hosting are just so nice.
It's such a gorgeous sound, and of course Devil's Tower is an amazing, amazing structure. There natural phenomena happening there in the middle of these beautiful woods in Wyoming, So that's going to be a lot of fun. In other news, Skinwalker, So the Hunt for the Skinwalker movie comes out today, So most of you are hearing this on the eleventh, so today is the day the movie comes out. And along with the movie, we're going to have exclusive content. So I went on that secret project right to go to
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