Hello and welcome once again to open mid UFO Radio. I am your host, Alejandro Rojas, and I am here with my buddy Martin, real estate mogul. Wanna be? Willis that's it? I wanna be? You got that part? Why don't you just do the whole thing with just want to be? I want to be because you want to be so much? No, No, just I'm not. No, I'm not a real estate mogul at all. I don't want people to get the impression. No, but you're trying. I mean, well, you've got this real estate thing and
usually you know a lot. I come up with your names because of the conversations we have before we go on air. And I probably shouldn't tell you that because now you're going to think I don't want to have any more conversations about But I just think it's fun. It's fun that you got this great property that you've worked on for a while and that you're going to try to sell it and possibly I don't know, But what's cool about it? It's just well, is this a property you were working on when you fell off
the ladder and almost killed yourself? That is the property? Yes, And you call it a mansion and you like, do you airbnb it or is it kind of just a vacation rental. No, that's up. So the main residence I did move in there last last summer, and so it's it's you know, it's it's quite nice, but it needs work. It needs a lot of work. So the guest house is still like twenty five hundred square feet for you know, it's a Victorian home. But yeah, it's
been a real project and I would never ever do it again. I will tell you that really darn near killed me a few times. Yeah, I don't blame you. That's that's hard work. Yeah, so I'm lucky I can do some, you know, a lot of the work. But it's just you know, I've I've had it. Actually you've had it enough. Yeah, enough is enough, So ready to move on. Yeah. See, this is nice because people get to know a little bit about you, you know, every time if we do the show the Crazy Stuff too,
there is crazy stuff. Oh no, I didn't know. I don't know what you're talking about. I'm gonna have to do some digging to figure out what this crazy stuff is. That sounds interesting. Well, I do a show in UFOs, I don't know if you. Yeah. So speaking of yeah, crazy stuff, we got some crazy stuff to go over because it's UFOs. However, I guess I should tell you who my guest is.
My guest. This is very exciting. I this was really fun. Her name is Caroline Corey, and she's done a documentary called Gods among Us. And in this documentary it's essentially about abduction. But and she is an experiencer
herself. But what she's done here is she's gotten like a dozen different scientists, many of them working in like quantum physics or theoretical physics and astrophysics and DNA and stuff like this, to just discuss the possibilities of uh, you know, extra dimensional travel, uh faster than light travel, UH, DNA and the manipulation of DNA and you know, telepathy, all of the sort of phenomena that are related to abduction or what people report when they say they
they feel they've experienced something with an extraterrestrial And what's what's really fascinating is, of course there's a lot of speculation in these areas, but these are actual scientists talking about the possibilities. And I find this super exciting. I brought
this up. We'll talk about the different scientists in the documentary, but I brought up doctor Claude Swanson, who's a theoretical physicist that I know pretty well, who spoke at the conference the UFO Congress a couple of years ago, and I've seen him speak on these topics over the years, but he's along
these same lines. And what's exciting about it is he talks about all the experiments that have gone on and subtle energies and things like this, and he talks about, you know, what quantum science is and quantum physics is, because a lot of people throw that term around willy nilly, you know, without really knowing what it is and how you know, there are certain subtle energies that could allow for a lot of these these different phenomena, and so
I find it fascinating. So it's a wonderful discussion. And Lee Spiegel actually has watched the documentary and he loved it. He thought it was great. So he was really excited for me to talk with Caroline, who had actually contacted me before and she wanted to be part of the UFO Congress Film Festival too. So this documentary people will be able to see at the UFO Congress next year. So really cool. This is a great interview. Awesome.
I see that she actually was able to raise sixty thousand dollars through Kickstarter in thirty days, which is really quite remarkable because I know a lot of people have tried to raise money for films and have not, you know, have not succeeded at all. So good for her. Yeah, pardon me, that is a great point. I'm really glad you brought that up because I forgot to ask her about that. But the Kickstarter that I agree with you one hundred percent. It is you know, it seems like it's easy.
It's really hard to raise money on Kickstarter, so for her to be able to do that is a great success for her. So yeah, very cool. So this is going to be a fun interview. Great, yep. But before that, let's talk about some UFO news. There's some exciting stuff out there really that at least I feel is kind of exciting. But uh, why don't you go ahead what you got for us? But well, since we were talking earlier about this very area before we went on air,
so a California UFO witnesses. A witness described six hovering triangles. So this was in Escondido, which is not too far away from San Diego, beautiful area. Friend of mine's mother grew up there, so I had been there a number of times. So there was groups of six multicolored lights. And what's really strange about this is that these were vertical, so they were standing on end basically instead of you know, like at a horizontal plane. And
so this was on April fifteenth, tax Day at eight forty pm. So in California, it's pretty light still probably let's see back in April. So there, you know, the pictures show, you know, a daytime sky, but so i'd say this was still had some daylight, but you know, more like twilight. I would think that point. And so at first the witness saw one single triangle and was estimating that it was about five hundred feet above tree tops, but about a mile and a half or a mile
away. Now I would have no idea how someone could estimate a level at that far away. Then they saw that there were five smaller triangle arrangements, same thing on end toward the west, just above the tree tops. Again, they may not have been small, they may have been just further away. It's hard to tell, and for them to line up at an angle to show a perfect triangle. It's all kind of weird, but an interesting
sighting, yes, very interesting. Yeah, very weird too. And they provided some photos where they kind of drew in where the triangles were and what they looked like to the witness. You know, if this indeed happened, it must have been quite crazy sighting. Yeah, and something that would be really hard to explain, you know. I mean, I can't see anyway drones would be doing something like this, especially on the vertical line or a
balloon formation. Nothing seems like it makes any sense. It's really an odd one. Yeah, it's a pretty weird one. Plus the pictures show San Diego, and I always get excited to see the beach, especially because I'm going to be going to the beach in a couple weeks. Ah right, I'm gonna be going on my yearly cruise. You know everybody knows, well, I don't know. If they know, they probably don't like it because
then I don't do a show that week. And that's why it's relevant, because in a couple of weeks I won't have a show, but I will have one next week. People and so don't worry about that. But it'll be a day late because of Memorial Day, so I'll post it on Tuesday. So uh yeah, really weird interesting signing. Now, wait a minute, isn't next weekend Memorial Day? Am I getting that wrong? Yeah?
Next weekend? Yeah? Oh okay, So a week from today, like, I'm gonna be posting a show today, and then a week from today, I'm gonna be taking it off to recognize to observe the Memorial Day, And so I won't be posting my show until the day after that, and it's gonna be Nick Redford again. All right. However, he's got yet another book that I just interviewed him a couple of months ago, but that's
because he had a new book that came out. But he's got another book that just came out about Roswell. So the timing will be good because I'll be chilling with him at Roswell, even though he's speaking for a different venue, and about little more than a month will be out there. So man, that guy puts out some books, doesn't he, No kidding? Holy
cow? So a couple other cool stories out there. This one we just posted today, and well this is interesting, and the UK tabloids have picked it up because of Nick Pope, that's son of I love Nick Pope, of course, but unfortunately he likes working with those UK tabloids, who of course are the bane of our existence because they're just putting out so much crappy
UFO stuff. But we got to the source. So one of our contributors is Andres Mueller, and he's in Germany and he essentially has a website for Frontier Science and the Paranormal in Germany, a very popular site that he calls it gree Wee kind of short for the URL that they have there. But he contributes and he let's just repost his stories UFO stories, and he did something cool. He got a hold of the mod because those damn files.
So there's eighteen files UFO files that the UK is supposed to be coming out with. In twenty thirteen, they said they had finished releasing all of their UFO files. However, John Burrows actually have been in contact with them about certain files he wanted to see, and they delayed him. They said, oh, it's going to be in our UFO dump when it wasn't. He protested, he said, hey, I want to see these files. They ignored him the UK government and then finally when a private citizen, seeing that
John Burrows had requested these files, requested them himself. They replied and the mold said, ooh, sorry, I guess we do have some more UFO files. We'll get those out in about nine months. That was now like three years ago, and so they keep delaying and delaying. One of the ministers in the House of Lords actually asked themod when are you going to get these files out? And we're working on it. So they had given the March twenty seventeen as when they were going to come out with these files.
Yet another delayed date, but they didn't come out. So Andre's mueller asked them, hey, what's going on, When are you going to get these files out? And a spokesperson got back with him and they told him that due to the upcoming election here in the UK and the rules relating to government departments during the pre election period, the files will not be released until after
the election. We are working to ensure that the files are ready for release as soon as this period as is possible, hopefully around the middle of June. So the new date is the middle of June. That is something. Wow, I guess they can do that. I guess huh, yeah, they could do whatever they want, you know, but it's just so strange
that they've been delaying this for years and years now. You know, I think the last couple of times I've had Nick Pope on the show, we've actually talked about this and why they're being delayed, in what might be in there. He spoke at the Congress, not this year, but the year before and where he spoke about them, so he's we've been talking. You know, listeners have heard about these files, but hopefully we may see them sometime soon. And I know Nick Pope says they may have some interesting stuff
in there, so we're all excited to see them now. There's no there's no real way to tell if they hold some of them back, is there no? Like Nick says, And he has a great quote in one of the interviews where he says, you know, it's very easy to hide these files. They don't have to respawn. They could say they don't exist, or the easiest way is if they're they transfer them to a third party, like a private company, and private companies are not part of any freedom of
information requests. So I mean, you can't officially get files from a private company, so it's easy to hide files should you wish to. So yeah, wow for their government and ours, so yeah, yeah yeah. And I you know, you hear a lot about files that are like plane missing, you know, we don't we don't know where they are, like the NSA ones that are all darkened out like like that. And this hasn't been a big story. I've been making a big deal about it. We gave
a ord to John Greenwald for his work on this. But I think this is a big deal, and it seems like I haven't seen anybody else make a big deal out of it except for me. But the NSA documents that Stanton's always showing that are all dark darkened out. Ye, those John Greenwald asked them to. Oh, John Greenwald, of course is making a big deal out of it, because it is a big deal. John Greenwald asked them to provide the unredacted copy, so the copies that don't have the white
it out, which they should. As time goes on, much of what was whited out should become unclassified and so they should be able to show that. And they said, oops, we've lost all the originals. So they've lost all the original UFO files. Bizarre. Huh. It is really bizarre, really really bizarre. One more story I want to talk about now, this one. Unfortunately I overlooked. I know I posted a link on this,
but it's really cooler than just receiving a link. It needs its own attention, and I'm going to write a story on this, but I probably won't have time to get it up today, so I'll have it up tomorrow, if not later today, So sorry you. If you're listening to the show today, probably many of you won't listen till later in the week. So on Tuesday, the twenty third, I'll have a story up at openmindstat tv about this. But you probably saw this Kurt Russell and the Phoenix Lights.
No I did, I missed it. Oh this is cool. Okay, here's the story. So it's really cool. It's a video where oh yes, yes, I'm sorry, you're right when he was flying well, I was just gonna tell the stories. Oh I do know it sped to be something a while back. Yeah, okay, sorry. So on April thirtieth, Guardian, there you know Kurt Russell is in the new Guardians of the Galaxy, which I saw just about the other day and it's awesome.
It's so good. I loved it. Kurt Russell is in it. So Kurt Russell and Chris pat Pratt are at some event on April thirtieth and they're getting interviewed by a British gentleman and the British guy they're both sitting there and the British guy says, opens this folder that' says top secret on it,
and he says, you guys might be interested in this. In Phoenix, during this famous UFO incident, there was a pilot who was flying into Phoenix and he saw this UFO and he reported it to the control tower when he was landing, and Chris Pratt is kind of like, what's this all about? You know, ho hum, And Kurt Russell gets this big smile and he starts kind of squirming in his chair. You know, I think more of excitement than nervousness. And he said, yes, I'm aware of this.
The tail number on that plane was Cisco Bravo blah blah blah, and the pilot of that plane was me. And Chris Pratt's funny because he's like, what and so he explains how Kurt Russell was coming to Phoenix to with his son, so I guess pick up his son's girlfriend or something like this, And on approach they saw these six lights, these six bright lights, and it looked like perhaps a craft coming towards them. So I guess his son got a little nervous and said, Dad, or do we need to
worry about this? And he said, well, let me call the tower. So Kurt Russell called the tower and said, hey, I'm seeing these lights. You know, is there are there any objects in the way and they said no, we're not picking anything up on radar. And so they land, they pick up the girl or drop off his son, whichever it was, and he takes off and comes home. So no big deal, that was it. He said, I didn't even think about it, even though it was shocking at the time. He's like, I didn't think about
it again. My son didn't think about it again. We never talked about it again. Then he was He comes home and Goldiehan is watching TV and she's watching UFO show and they start talking about the Phoenix lights and how there was a pilot who had reported them, and it triggered his memory, and he's like, hey, hey, I was flying into Phoenix at that time and I reported a UFO. He's like, I wonder if that was me.
So he goes to his flight log and he looks up the date of that flight and sure enough, it was, you know what, March thirteenth or whatever. So he saw the Phoenix Lights and then, you know, through the show and later he found out that, you know, tens of thousands of people had reported this UFO and stuff. So really cool story. Kind of a new story for the Phoenix Lights, and it shows you how
some of these old UFO stories still can have legs. You know, sometimes there'll be some new exciting discoveries, and I think this is a great addition. I do too. Excite story. Yeah, I forgot all about that. I did read that briefly. I don't know, it was late at night or whatever. But yeah, that is really that's a great story. Yeah, pretty cool. Did you see Guardians of the Galaxy's not? Nope? Did you see the first one? Nope? Oh wow, I'm must see it is it's I love it. I'm a big sci fi fan.
I'm not as much a comic book fan. I like some of them but it's really good. It's funny the first I I dare say that I like the new one. I think a little better than the first one. And I really like the first one. So a lot of fun. I mean, they're fun so and that's what it's all about. So a lot of
fun. But Kurt Russell is really good in the new movie, and that interviews a lot of fun, especially to see Chris Pratt's reactions where he's just kind of freaking out and Kurt Russell's you know, like you know, I saw this UFO along with thousands of others. So pretty cool stuff. And y'all have that story up tomorrow. Good stuff, man, m m hmm. Anything else, my friend, No, I saw on the website where someone has funded the Shag Harbor. Yeah, so that's the only other thing.
Yeah, some people might not know that they had a problem. Yeah that's true. So I guess Canada they were trying to get some grant. They were betting on getting a grant to do a Shake Harbor fiftieth anniversary event. You know, the Shake Harper incidents referred to as Canada's roswell and you could read more about it on our story. I open minds that TV.
But they were going to do a festival and shake Harber is a real little town, five hundred people, I guess, but they do have a little UFO museum there in a society around that, and they were betting on getting this grant and they didn't get it, so their whole festival was in jeopardy. They the News picked up on this story and interviewed them and some anonymous donor. I'm glad you brought this up because this is kind of interesting what
the donor says. Some anonymous donor then gave them the money they needed and saved the event. So now they're going to do the event. The donor is a UFO researcher, nice, someone we probably know. I thought they were all broke like us. I know. Well there's some, in fact, I know at least one Canadian man who has some substantial amount of money. He's a snowbird too, so he comes to our Phoenix move On meetings.
He's a possible person because he's got money. But this is what the donor didn't want to their name to be public, but did make a public statement. And this is what the donor says. Although there is much I can't reveal without any hesitation. I can say the Canadian government and the international community it answers to appears to be concealing what happened in and around the waters
of Sheake Harbor, Canada on October fourth, nineteen sixty seven. People with the connections notoriety, notoriety and finances are working hard to challenge and how we view the world around us. Shake Harber is one of the smoking guns that will be used to achieve this. Wow. Ironically, I have a Don Ledger coming up on my show this week really to talk about Shag Harbor. Oh good, good timing guy. Yeah, yeah, you'll have to talk
about this stuff. Yeah, yep, plea, yep. So it's nice to know there's a couple of UFO researcher people out there with some money, not many. Yeah, and that will actually help something like that, you know, put their put their money down. That's pretty nice. Yeah, crazy. So that's a that's a good story, a good happy story. Right all right, So I guess uh that is all. Thank you so much for joining us once again, Martin, you are very welcome. I'm
looking forward to next week. Yay, it'll be a good one. So until then, let's go ahead and talk to Caroline. I am very excited to bring to the show. Caroline Corey. Hello, Hi, Honterro, thanks for having me today. Well, I'm super excited to have you just because your film looks great. Now I haven't really I've seen trailers, but I haven't been able to watch it. However, I have a friend who has been able to watch it, and that's Lee Spiegel, and boy did
he love it. Man, he just keeps talking about how excited he is about this film and everything. And so cheers to you. And I hope and pray that you'll submit this to the UFO Congress Film Festival. I definitely will. It was a malicon fact. Yeah, I put it on my calendar to do that in a fall, for sure. Perfect. Yeah, I'll let you know when we get our stuff together and we have our applications ready. But very excited about that. So I guess to start off,
let's get into it. The movie is called Gods among Us The Science of Contact, And in a nutshell, how would you describe what this film is about? So God's among Us The Science of Contact is a documentary about different individuals from around the world who have had some sort of contact with an extraterrestrial entity or an otherworldly intelligence, any sort of beyond the three D dimensional contact.
But the approach to these experiences is a scientific approach. What I wanted to do is bring credibility, if I could use that term, or bring some validation, because I have had these experiences myself my entire life, and so I feel that there's a lot of information that is not accurate or misunderstood or misinterpreted and certainly judged to be supernatural or not normal or what have you. So I wanted to bring not just scientific validation, but more truth as
much as I could. So that's what the film was about, and I think I succeeded great. Yeah, it seems like Leith feels that you did so in the experiences, I guess it sounds like then you're kind of and you know, I kind of am familiar with this. Of course, with
the interviewing people and everything. It's the idea of that people, including yourself, have these experiences, and some of what you're experiencing, theoretical scientists or others theorize that there's a possible mechanics to it, like the rules of physics, essentially don't say that this cannot happen exactly. In fact, it's the
rule of current physics, but or mainstream physics. But the individuals that we have in our film on astrophysicists from Harvard and other quantum physicists that not only say it is possible, but they are saying that it's very much real. And in fact, that's what we do in the film. One of the
lead scientists in the film doctor Shield from the Harvard Smithtonian. Now his specialty is black hole, the study of black hole, but also how it relates to consciousness, what consciousness is, if that is a measurable thing, if that is a real thing, a real phenomenon in terms of physics and mathematics,
if you will. And he explains how the laws of the you know, the mechanics of the universe can very easily explain such things as telepathy for example, or even teleportation or you know, when you say, you know, I saw UFO, like how did it get here? Did it get here? Was an illusion? So we are asking questions, if someone sees
a UFO, is it possible that this UFO does actually exist? And if it does actually exist, well, how did it get here and how do we actually see it from a physic standpoint, And he explains it, you know, because we talk about the fabric of space itself and the magnetic properties of the black holes, and the quantum waves and all of these things together
explain and validate scientifically these phenomena. And it seems like from the trailer, especially talking about Rudy Shield, he's talking about this idea of consciousness kind of being like other energies in the universe, being spread, you know, like this thing that's just dispersed among the stars, like other sorts of maybe even gases and energies out there. Yeah, precisely. So we talk about the fabric of space being not just a random kind of bunch of energies and forces,
you know, just kind of thrown together. We talk about the fabric of space, the space itself or the vacuum being perfectly organized according to specific patterning and structuring that is holographic, that is geometric, and that means that the black holes are not don't just happen to exist just anywhere. They exist where they exist for the purpose of being perfectly aligned and correlated with other black holes. So if you can imagine a hologram with all the black holes being
geometrically perfectly aligned. Then you create a sort of a perfect web system or cosmic web system, so that whatever information that happens on at one black hole through resonance actually can and does exist at all the black holes at the same time, if you can visualize that. So that's kind of the the way we you know, he explained, and we talk about it in the film, and we actually show that, and I'm sorry to that you didn't get to see it, because we did actually send you a link, so I'm
surprised that. I'm you know, I'm sorry that you didn't get to view the film yourself, but of course we will. We will do that again. But there's a visual of that structuring of space, the patterning of space around the planet, and when you see it visually, it makes perfect sense how it would be possible to be projecting your consciousness being connected to the fabric
of space. Therefore it's permeating the entire space around you. And so if your consciousness is projecting a thought no matter where you are, Let's say you're in Arizona and you're projecting your thought, that thought is kind of registered on the surface of the black hole. And because I'm in California, there are black holes right above where I am, then I am through resonance. These two black holes pretty much have the same information, if you will. That's
how I get the message instantaneously. Does that make sense in a way, in a way, because it's also complicated, but you know, and it comes back to quantum and we'll get into that a second. I do want to say I did get the link to the movie, and thank you very much. I didn't have time to work watch the film. However, I kind of like that because then I'm fresh, just like the audience. So that way, I'm keeping them in the loop with what we're talking about.
And I don't want to be down too biased. But you know, if you're an entrant, because I get to do like the first wave of acceptance. But you're right idea. So but getting back to what Rudy Shield is talking about. What you just described now it sounds complicated, but what you're describing, and this is what is kind of cool and what excites scientists, especially in this field, of this idea of consciousness. We don't know what
it is or how it works. Necessarily, But the people who are best to speculate about it are the type of people you got in the film, like doctor Rudy Shield, who's spend a lot of time thinking about this and and matching it up to physics, which is he's an astrophysicist. That's what
he does. So that's what makes it interesting. And I mean it makes sense in that sciences is often about discovering the order of chaos, what appears to be chaos, and right now, because we know so little about consciousness, it does seem kind of chaotic, but it makes sense that it would fit patterns, and if we could understand these patterns, then it can allow for some of the phenomena we observe but can't explain absolutely, So it is not chaotic. It appears to be chaotic, but it is not. Can
you imagine, you know, the intelligence of your human body. If things were chaotic, then your brain wouldn't know what to do, Your cells wouldn't know what to do. You know, all your cells, all your organs would be bumping into each other. And I mean, there is an intelligent design. And if you can see that within your human body, within the DNA, for example, within nature, if you see that intelligent design. I mean, so then intelligent design doesn't stop to matter. It has to
continue on. It wouldn't make sense to have intelligent design within matter itself, but then between matter and the stars, let's say you know, the space itself, for that to be chaotic and not organized, you know what I mean. So it's almost logical that you know that fabric of space has the same intelligent design. So that's what we talk about. And this is very cutting edges like you were saying, it's we're physicists are just starting to they're
still thinking it's chaotic. And the concept we bring in the film is that there is this cosmic structure and it is very much that structure, that patterning that allows and explains very well the the the telepathy, but also a teleportation.
How a consciousness or a UFO for example, could actually travel from far away in space, uh to you know, to to to Earth instantly because obviously the technology we're not talking about propulsion here, we're talking about traveling along those pathways that are created through the black holes because of the patterning and the structuring of space. And and to go back to consciousness, what happens is
that we noticed that consciousness has this similar or at least a patterning. The waves of consciousness are coherent mathematically, if you will, or geometrically with the geometry of space itself, so that if you put that wave with this other wave, it almost blends in if you will, it's coherent. So that's the reason why consciousness is pretty much part fabric of space and can therefore exist anywhere throughout space. And so that's it's all about the geometry or the coherence
of the different quantum waves. And we also talk about another brilliant scientist whos in the film is Glenn Ryan, and his work is on DNA. So he's been working with DNA doing all sorts of experiments with that, and he also talks about geometry and shape of the DNA, and he notices that he noticed through his work that you know how we talk about the DNA being two strands and having these sort of waves and functions and conductivity and frequency and things
like that. Well, what he noticed is that when the frequency of the DNA is increased, the shape itself of the DNA changes from being too strand to becoming terroidal, meaning like a taurus. So This is pretty amazing because this means that even at a DNA level, on an atomic level, within our bodies, our shape is also the waves of everything within our body are
also coherent with the space around us. So you know, the implication of that also are pretty amazing if you can imagine, right, And I want to talk about like you know when you talk about doctor Ryan, and I want to explain to the listeners to that you know, when we talk about quantumness, there's this frustration with a lot of people that this term quantum gets used and overused and often used by people who don't understand it, which is
true, and they use it to explain their or justify their speculation. But you know, the people that you have in your film and that you're referring to, for instance, doctor Glenn Ryan, his title is a quantum biologist and euroscientist and he works at a quantum biology research labs. You have doctor George Weiss who's a quantum physicist, and doctor Beverly Rubik who's a quantum biophysicist. And I know through UH there's an organization called SEC the Society of Scientific
Exploration that was actually started to look at UFO stuff. But they've moved into the consciousness area because there's a lot there and I think people are afraid to go there because it is so complicated, it sounds so weird, and I think, I don't know, maybe there's and you can let me know if you've ran across this, maybe there's a fear where people almost don't want to understand the science of their consciousness because it's kind of a scary aspect of thinking
of maybe even your existence being somewhat robotic or mechanical, I guess in a way being explained. But that's what's exciting about your film is that you're getting all these people together to have this educated discussion on these complicated topics. And it sounds like like these theories or these things that you're talking about now, I mean, are they these scientists in your film, do they all feel similar in that they are kind of coming to some understanding. Yes. Absolutely,
Actually, it was very interesting. Just a quick note on what you just said about the fear factor. It's very interesting because as we were speaking to different people from experiences to scientists who wanted to participate, you know, especially the scientists since we're talking about that, some of them had done amazing work themselves on, for example, mind to mind transfer or telepathic communication and things like that. But they felt that they weren't ready. They weren't ready
to just be in a film. You don't be talking about all this and the implication of it, or maybe be even associated with the term extraterrestrial, you know what I mean. So we encountered some of that, but fortunately we also found those amazing scientists who were ready to do the work. We brought them in a film. And what's amazing is that it wasn't these guys. So of course, they don't know each other and they didn't know who
else we were interviewed. So when, for example, I was talking to doctor Ryan, interviewing him, and all of a sudden he's using words like the cosmic mind, the cosmic intelligence, the universal consciousness. And then I'm interviewing doctor Shield and Ad in Boston, you know, in Harvard, and he's using the same terms. And then I'm using, you know, interviewing
doctor Raydon in California, and again he's talking about the cosmic mind. So so it's yeah, you know, so that was fascinating that they are beginning, those scientists are beginning the use to use the same terminology and understanding the similar concept even though they're not aware of each other or each other's work. So to me, that's very exciting. I feel that these scientists are ready to just kind of put it out there. But also, what you know
happened in the film, it wasn't just discussion and theory. I wanted to go a step further and actually do scientific experiments. I didn't want to just you know, because you know, in typical documentaries, you know, your interview experts and and and it's great, but I because I wanted to bring some sort of validation kind of beyond uh, the you know, any doubt if you will. And so we conducted actual experiments on camera and the results
were mind blowing and I'm so glad I did that. And so I can share maybe one other results because we want to leave a little bit of suspense, you know that in one of the excuse me, in one of the
experiments that we did, it was actually doctor Ryan's laboratory. So the idea was to show that a non physical entity whatever whatever it may be, an extraterrestrial that's showing up or through another dimension, or maybe an angel or something like or a spirit, any sort of non physical entity if it would have any sort of physical impact on the body, on the human body. And so, of course, interestingly enough, doctor Ryan has been working with human
DNA. So we took a sample of a human placenta and we did of course, we ran several experiments because in science, as you know, you have to do it over and over and over. So we did that. And what I did was to specifically invoke in an angelic being and I said, okay, so we're invoking that entity, and we want to see if there's you know, any sort of contact that happens with that DNA. And one of the results that we found was the conductivity of the DNA shot up
four hundred percent, which is huge. This means that the electricity, the conductivity, which is the electrical conductivity that goes through the DNA, if it was going at one rate, well, it increased to four hundred four hundred times when that invocation was happening. And like I said, we did it over and over, so we know it wasn't a fluke. And so so this is very exciting because this is these are only one of the results that
we got because the electrical conductivity of the DNA. When it's increased, it increases also its ability to self repair, to self correct. So so just with this one result, we pretty much showed that whether you know it's it's this angelic being or whatever, when that invocation happened and that contact happened, the DNA responded and it's responded in this matter. So you know, I
mean, this is pretty revolutionary right there. And then we had other sort of experiments as well done on the DNA and the implications are are just mind blowing. You know, it's it's a so that sort of thing I think is making this film hopefully very you know, bringing a lot more to it and bringing that scientific validation. Yeah. Well see I have you know, my major was in psychology, but it was more industrial and stuff, but still we studied the different things, you know, the mind, and then
I also received a certificate and hypnotherapy. And what I find fascinating and what especially with what you're describing, is is that you know, there are the way people heal. There's so much we don't understand where some people will heal quickly and others won't. And hypnotherapy is one way where it's found that helps people, although the mechanics aren't really understood. But just like what you're talking
about, your invocation seemed to have an effect. Now that could be just because an effect coming from you somehow, or maybe it could be a third party, who knows, but it's demonstrating that there is an effect like has been you know, demonstrated before, or at least not in this particular way,
but in different ways. And that's what's fascinating is that we might be able to at least understand the mechanics to that, which of course have huge benefits for people because it shows that even things such as prayer or or like what you did can possibly have an effect on someone someone's healing process. Absolutely, it does have an effect. That's what we were validating. That's what
we were proving. But just to answer the question about maybe it came from me or from the the you know, the the angelic form, well, we did another set of experiment to actually test that. Okay, so what happens when it's just me and what happens when I say, okay, I'm calling in I don't know our changel Michael or something, you know. So we did do these experiments and it was different. But even like let's say, even if it was just me, because in either case there was a
difference. But in fact that's even more exciting because don't forget, I did not touch the DNA sample. The DNA sample was sitting on a table, you know, in front of me, so there was you know what I mean, So I wasn't whatever I did. If I did it, well got injected somehow in the DNA. Does that make sense? And this means this is extremely exciting. This means that my thought, my intent, my
invocation was able to affect that DNA. This then proves, like you just said, for in terms of prayers and things like that, this proves that when people have are directing their invocation or their prayer on something which would be their own body, it does work. That's what we were able to show very much on camera. So I mean, it's very exciting, right,
And I love the idea because it's just there's obvious. I mean, there's just so much evidence out there, and I think people especially it's an experiential thing where some people go through a scary situation and they some people very quickly
make it out of it, and some people don't. And you know, healthy people for instance, that get sick or have heart attacks, and real people who work out constantly sometimes don't make it through difficult medical issues, whereas other people who aren't healthy do. But there's attitude, there's all these different factors that we don't understand, and it's just wonderful that well exploring these areas because like you said, and like these scientists have said, there are I
know one of them I talked with. I don't know if you've met him. I can't remember his name right now, but I'll think of it. But anyways, talking about these subtle energies that we don't understand that are on the quantum level, and quantum just means extremely extremely, extremely small, so small that you know that they're not things that we can easily detect like other
things that are larger. And that's where these energies could exist, such as consciousness or even they theorize about, you know, then our brains having some sort of this material or being able to interact with all of this and ourselves throughout our body, which could mean and a lot of these scientists and biologists talk about it, you know, healing processes that we could I mean if we could just by learning that prayer or helping people just by thinking about them
and thinking positively about them, or trying to invoke something that can help them. That's a very easy thing. It's an inexpensive thing for us to do to help each other. Absolutely exactly. That's why this, this, this work is just so exciting. Now, there has been other types of tests being done, you know, bringing healing energy and then you know, seeing different sorts of results. But what we've done that's very unique is was to
measure it on a DNA sample. That's what's very different and unique because wait a minute, does that we are pretty much changing the functioning of the DNA when we're changing its electrical conductivity. And then, like I said, we've done other tests where the frequency also changes and what that means. So it's so that's what makes it very unique in the sense that you are able to literally change your DNA and of course by changing your DNA, you're changing your
health, you're changeing your your entire being. So so this this is so because of that, and you know other tests as well that we've done, so so we are the scientists got so excited. So now we have an entire range of experiments that we are planning. In fact, we are planning the next show as well, because I think this is going to be a series. And another another quick thing that we did was a long distance also. Now this time was not on DNA, but it was on biophoton measurement.
And so the biophoton emission are tiny, tiny little particles of light, if you will, that are emitted from a human body. So we did an experiment where we projected. Again, we we are trying to show that any sort of non physical contact does change our body, does change our reality,
and has a physical effect. So we did that as well. I was here in Los Angeles and the lab was in San Francisco, and we did the long distance projection of these beings and the same thing the electrical systems also, there's all sorts of devices devices that were measuring different sorts of changes and the spikes were huge. And when you do it scientifically, we do it like on twenty minutes off twenty minutes, so we know when the machine
response is when that invocation is happening. So this is very real. I mean, when we come in contact with an angelic form or an extraterrestrial or what have you. This contact did happen, and it did affect our physical
cells, and that's what we're showing. What I like about your experiment also is that with hypnotherapy, some people theorize that you know, or the laying on of hands or something like that, that that positive just positivity you're sending to a person and them feeling that you care about them and you're trying to help them alone helps their state of mind, which helps them heal, which
is possible, and that's that's that's a good thing too. But with your experiment, you've shown that when you know this this DNA is you, you did your invocation on it, it's not a conscious thing that has a consciousness, So it's not like it felt positive and that's why it changed. It demonstrates like an outside uh effect effect from something outside of it exactly. And
that's what's scary and at the same time very very exacting. Yeah, because this means that wait a minute, you know, so when we come in contact with any sort of external energy, if that person, let's say, is bombarding us or extraterrestrial or what have you, is bombarding us with negative energy, well this does have an effect on us. It is a measurable effect. And that's why sometimes you just need to get out of a conversation
or get out of a place because it just doesn't feel good. Because literally, it is happening. It is not your imagination. It is not only psychological, it is physiological. That's what we're proving. So but the exciting part is that if you're able to do it, if this is a spontaneous, let thain organic effect, well then this means that your consciousness, your mind, your invocation has the same capability. And so all you have to do is then reverse it and you now you know, project on yourself,
you invoke energy, and that works just the same. You know, it's funny humans are programmed to only think of the negative or always go to a place of you know, there's nothing I can do. I'm too small. You know, this entity is bigger than me, it knows more than me. It can take over me, it can control me. That is not true. Now, of course, some of the entities are extremely powerful, especially if they take you, you know, if you're off guard or something
like that, catch you off guard or something like that. But or if you're not prepared or you don't know what you're supposed to do, but it doesn't mean that you can't reverse. It doesn't mean that you can't invoke a protective energy around you, and so on and so forth. So this is very very important for people to realize. Yeah, you know, in all of my paranormal research and investigation, I've always gone in the back of my mind with that working theory is that you know, my own owning my own
space and being positive and fearless is what's going to protect me. And luckily I haven't had anything negative happened to me. I'm all my ghost adventures or or what have you. So maybe that's why maybe I've shielded myself. You did, you have been So I want to apply this now to the extraterrestrial experience, and you yourself have had experiences. So maybe if you could describe what your experiences are like. Do you have a physical interaction or do you
feel that you have mostly messages or information? Actually it's a combination of both. But it started for me when I was very young. I was five years old, and that was the very first significyn encounter, if you will, And that consciousness that came to me at that time was more of a let's say a ball of light. It looked like a condensed light, but as it showed up and I could perceive the subtle energy right then, so I could feel it, sense it, but also see it and hear it.
So what happens is that, you know, your brain doesn't function in the same way. It doesn't function in a linear sense. When you have these communication your brain switches from like ten percent functioning to a full brain kind
of absorbing the entire information at once. So when you come in contact with something, even something that you have never seen before at the age of five, as you can imagine, there's no internet or any research to be done that tells you you know, if you come in contact with such a thing, it means that. So you know, obviously it's very spontaneous. You're not prepared. And yet when you do have that experience, your brain is
capable. Because we're talking now about consciousness, it's your consciousness that is tapping into their consciousness and vice versa. So I could see and perceive that this was a group of being, and in fact I could see and perceive that they came from a place beyond this planet, beyond this galaxy. They came from a very faraway place in the universe, and we started communicating telepathically. I could see and perceive how the way they were communicating were concepts that were
condensed into codes, and these codes were kind of being transferred. Like I said, organically, it's like the two consciousness are merged, and whatever happens in one consciousness happens in the other. It's pretty much that. And so these codes were being transferred into my consciousness and then the human brain translates them
into a human language that you can understand. And so that's kind of how that was my first experience, and that kind of also set me up for the rest of my life to be able to perceive the different types of consciousness and discern them. So on and off, I've had those types of encounters, and eventually as I grew up too, I started, you know, having physical visitations. But also I mean I've encountered beings in like in like
in physical form as well in a public space. So they've come to me in in my environment, but also I've seen them outside now that that's more rare. But the ones that came to me in my environment, some of them were from a star system that we call serious. These guys were actually more had more of a shape. There weren't just a ball of light. There actually had the head and arms and legs, but they didn't have internal
organs. They were just kind of light but had a humanoid shape. And other types of beings as well that had a humanoid shape but had less of a material you know, material form if you will, and other beings as well. So it's kind of a range of different types of being throughout my life. Let me ask you this because this is one thing that is always a bit difficult. Although I why I am on that on how it can
be positive. Though when people a lot of experiencers, people who experience contact and communication or they do their stories are rarely do you find it seems two stories that are the same, meaning that it was the same type of entities telling the same sort of stories. Why do you think that might be? Some of it is absolutely true. I mean, there are people who tell
me stories who didn't know who didn't know each other. But the detail, the type of information that they're saying, it's not that Okay, he was short, he was grey. He told me he's here to help humanity. Okay, this is just kind of very generalized. And it's possible that people are getting influenced or reading something and then projecting that into their own experience.
But some of the things that they say is just too personal, it's too detailed that you know, that's when you start to go huh okay, that's you know how it's just too close for it to be an interpretation or projection. But I've been working with people like this for a long time and we
talk about that in a film as well. But what happens is that I personally notice that most of these experiencers, I want to say, and I'm generalizing here, I think about something about sixty to seventy percent of their story is real. This means that they they did have an abduction or they did have a visitation, but then the rest of it is projected or interpreted, not necessarily on purpose that they are trying to sensationalize their story or make it
more interesting, but because they think that's what happened. So and there's a kind of a fine line between the authentic experience and where the human mind kicks in and interprets what's happening to them. Sometimes it's, as you know, being a psycho collegists. Sometimes it's a defense mechanism, you know, because
you don't know. Also, if you know, if somebody, if you have an alien, you know, putting some tool inside your body or something, you know, and you don't perhaps you want to block the idea that some DNA was taken from you or some eggs or what have you. And so you're interpreting that as perhaps they were trying to help and heal, you know, use my DNA to evolve humanity. Do you see what I mean? So mm hmm, Well, yeah, no, it's going to say
that's very interesting, because that's how the mind works. I mean, even let's say you and I had met for a coffee a week ago, and you know, just a casual visit, and then a week later we discussed that that meeting we had and we say, you know, you remember this, you remember that, We're going to have different memories of that experience. We're going to have translated that experience differently, And that's just how the mind
works. So that makes a lot of sense, absolutely, And it's according the interpretation of that same story is going to be different according to our own individual filters. You see what I mean? So that's where I think the human mind plays tricks. And again this is not to say that the person is trying to be untruthful. It's just a defense mechanism out of fear and things like that. So in fact, what I do with them in the session is try to kind of help them see what really happened the rest of
the story. So the first sixty percent, yes, but then the rest of it, you know, actually this did happen, but to kind of help release it. If it is a negative experience, to shift it, to release it and transform it into a positive experience. And as I was just saying, you can do that with your thoughts. You can change transmute the actual consciousness, the actual memory, so that you can you know, live with it or feel positive about it in one way or another, or
at least let it go. And so so, and sometimes it is it's actually a very positive experience. There's no projection at all. So it's case by case. And that's the reason why we can't say, oh, they're all telling stories or half of it is true. It's not true. No, it's really case by case. That's interesting, and it's one of the reasons why I like, for instance, at the UFO Conference Congress, we don't typically have experiencers come up and tell their story because the individual stories differ.
And that's why I think it's great to have researchers come up, because they can talk about the commonalities so that I think we get a more full picture what you're describing. We could get more a better picture of then what
may or may not be happening. Right, Yeah, And you know, I think it's okay for experiences to tell their stories, you know, but again, as long as they begin to admit that, I think this is a kind of a way to also perhaps educate the experiencers themselves and say, yeah, you know, you know what I mean, and say this is what I understand happened. This is what I know for sure happened because I came back with the scar that I didn't have before, for example, you
know what I mean, things that are absolutely real. But at one point, if you are able to say, you know, at this point, I think I heard this and I think I understand it that way, I think it's better than to say this is the way it is and this is what exactly happened. Because, as you all know, even in healing. I mean I've been doing this work for a very long time, like almost twenty years, helping different people, not just with extra trustual contact, with
all sorts of subconscious blocks. And you know, people think it's one way when it's not. And so, and it's very hard to work on yourself because you can't see your own stuff, you know. That's the reason why. So a lot of the very some of my very advanced students, they do amazing work with other people, but then what is their own stuff?
Yeah, you know, it's very hard. So that's the reason why we I think everyone should at least say admit that and say, you know, at this point, I think it's this way, and I believe this is what happens. Yeah, yeah, I think it goes back all the way to Carl you kind of that dark self that we're blinded to, that we all have this dark side, and that for some reason we just can't see it all, we can't understand it all, which we sometimes need outside help,
to someone to tell us that. Of course, we don't want to see all the bad stuff about ourselves, but it's important because we can't work through that stuff without being aware of it. So it's like you said, part of these filters that we have, Yeah, absolutely really really interesting. I guess before we're out of time, another thing I wanted to talk about
and ashally about. Some of my listeners are probably familiar with doctor Gary Nolan, because at least wait a while back, I interviewed him a couple of times and we talked a bit about him. He is a professor of microbiology at Stanford University and he did DNA analysis on a couple different skeletons or remains
that people felt might be extraterrestrial, but his analysis showed otherwise. However, that's not necessarily a bad thing, because what's cool about him is that he was willing to do this in the first Like you said, a lot of scientists don't want to be attached to et stuff, and especially at Stanford. And I know he is sensitive about it because when I wrote, you know, he was very careful and the nuance of what he said was really important.
He had to be very careful that way. But what's cool is that he was willing to risk take the risk to be involved with this sort of stuff. And I guess what role does he play in the film? And well, actually Gary was awesome because he represented like, you know, kind of the scholar you know, from an established institutions such as you know, Stanford University. Wow, you know, so it was great to have him on board. He didn't get involved in any of the experiments or anything like
that. He was more talking to us about all the research being done on DNA and where things are with the DNA because you know, there's still this whole confusion about the junk DNA and what we how much we know of the DNA and things like that. So these were strict interviews with him, but he is so knowledgeable. I mean he brings up actually pretty amazing points about the DNA that in the film ended up helping make our case, if you
will. So that's why his insight and input was extremely valuable. And he's very eloquent. He's very i mean, his work is so detailed, so he can talk he can talk about the DNA from that perspective, you know, and kind of to tell us where science is with it at this point.
So but like I said, he he does go there and he does include the cosmic intelligence or some sort of I don't think he uses the word extraterrestrial but he in the film, I'm sure he doesn't, but he does talk about some sort of intelligence behind the DNA, So so we were very
grateful to have him. He was fantastic. Well. I loved the term of cosmic intelligence or or I think there was a precognitive intelligence or something like that, you know, another person, Doctor John Alexander refers to these these outside kind of consciousness that may or may not or are influencing somehow, these kind of self aware intelligence that seems to be elusive but out there somewhere.
And I love that because it's at least it's acknowledging this this sort of intelligence that seems to be a parent, but without necessarily defining it too thoroughly, because I think, like you said, we have to be careful sometimes of being too sure of ourselves when we're not quite sure, we're quite don't necessarily know. Yeah, yeah, I think he was referring to the intelligent design.
But at the same time, throughout his explanation, as he was saying where we are with the research on DNA and things like that, he was still very open, like he didn't want to. That's what I loved about him is that even though he's I mean in a way, he's part of the traditional system, you know, part of the university system and things like that. So even with what he was saying, it's almost like at the end of everything, and he was saying, but we should still keep the
door open. It's possible that it could be this as possible, which is quite unusual I would say, for a typical professor from a university like that, right, and yeah, he was awesome. Yeah, what's cool is as that's truly scientific, is that you know, we can't he's doing the same thing. He's being careful not to make assumptions, where so many scientists seem to do that, which I think limits them because often in science, especially we see this in the space science. All the time, the answers
turn out to be something completely different than they could have ever speculated. Absolutely in fact, that they keep fighting about it. I remember the expending No it's retracting or yeah, I mean collapsing, or no, we're not collapsing, and there's chaos, but there's no chaos. I mean, it's like exactly exactly. So I did remember that scientist's name, doctor Claude Swanson. Oh, yes, yeah, he's great. He's done. He's done a couple of talks first, but he does a lot of lecturing in all of
the Chinese and Russian experiments that are similar to what you're talking about. Uh, And he's similar to doctor Rudy Shield where they're trying to figure out this these what these underlying you know, energies are that would allow for all of this stuff we've been talking about. Yeah. I did talk to doctor Swanson in fact in the beginning, you know, I wanted him to also be involved in this, and then it didn't work out somehow. But yeah,
so he That's what I was saying earlier. There have been a lot of experiments on that how the healing energy does change the fabric of physical reality in one way or another. So so there's there and he's one of those amazing scientists who did that work. But like I said, so what the new element in the film is that DNA sample experiments. That's really fascinating and we're
hoping to continue that's the idea. So it's very very exciting. So I guess my last question before we leave is going to be about I know we've kind of gone over in time, but time has flown by too quickly the title God among Us. I guess, what are your thoughts about that title?
Well, actually, it's funny you asked. I wrote a book called God's among Us and it was more about the universal consciousness, that each being is consciousness, and then that enters into what happens to be a human body today, but it could have been in another body somewhere else, on some other planets, some other galaxy. And how because it is all originally universal consciousness, then you know it has that God element, but of course not
in a religious religious sense at all. So because I have that book, I kind of wanted to build on that, and of course with gods with an S makes it more of a general term. And and and then I
of course I added the science of Contact because it is about science. Having said that, interestingly enough, interestingly enough, the distributors are having a bit of a hard time with that title because they don't want it to sound religious, which, of course, with the words science, obviously it's not religious. But you know, it's one of those things from a marketing or what have you, so for in certain markets or maybe foreign markets or what have
you, this may have a different title. So that's what we're discussing right now. Well, I love that definition you just gave. I could see their issue, but it reminds me of the term nama stay, which which I love, which is and acknowledges acknowledgement of that consciousness or divinity and everyone, and I just love that thought. So yeah, exactly, Well, they thank you so much. Where can people go to get more information about the film. The best thing to do is just go to the website Gods
among Us dot com and they can see the updates. They can go to the events page and see where it's showing all the conferences that we have coming up. But the next probably one is going to be in New York May twenty eighth at a film festival, and we're going to keep posting all these screenings on the website. So and also they'll be able to watch it and order it from that website as well. So godsamong Us dot com is the place to go. Great, and hopefully they'll be able to watch it and
maybe potentially meet you at the UFO Congress in February. Absolutely, I'm going to be in touch in the fall, right awesome, yes, perfect, Thank you so much for having me this yeah, you're awesome. Oh well, thank you, thank you so much. It was it was a lot of fun for me to thank you. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you so much to Caroline for being on the show. Really interesting
stuff. I'm excited to see her documentary. It sounds great. Like I said, Lee Spiegel loves it. And you know Lee, Lee is like me. He's very careful. Credibility is a very important thing to him. I think a lot of us are that way, and that's what's great, you know, a lot of you all. And I myself roll my eye when people invoke the quantum magical, mystical. You know, quantum is the answer for this, and the quantum is the answer for that, when people
don't really understand what the heck quantum is and what it means. But certainly scientists like the type that she got in her film are the type of people who are qualified to speculate about quantum physics and the subtle energies like they call them, that may be at play when it comes to some of these mysterious things. I mean, if ghosts are real, if telepathy is real, if some of these things are real, there are some mechanics that are working
behind the scenes, and that's what these people are trying to do. I mean a phenomena such as the ones I just mentioned, those are less observed and you know, they're more debated. However, consciousness is a phenomena that we're aware of and we deal with every day. We know there is such thing as consciousness, But where does it come from, how does it work?
We don't understand that. And it's possible that the mechanics behind all of this are related to some of those other phenomena that people observe but are so less common and considered supernatural that people question their existence at all. But some of you are probably open, just like me, to the ideas. I mean, I've never had I've certainly had experiences that feel like their psychic phenomena. Whether or not they were who knows. There's something I can't prove.
They could be coincidence. I don't know. Otherwise, I haven't seen a ghost or experienced some of these other phenomena that others have. But there are credible people reporting some incredible things. And if these things are happening, there's something going on there. And it's exciting to think that you know, there are bright minds, some smart thinkers that some of the most important institutions out there thinking about this stuff and working on these answers. And so Caroline's film
being brave enough to kind of delve into all of this make it. It's really exciting. It's great to have resources like that. So I'm very excited about the film. You can go to Remember godsamong Us dot com to read more about her film godsamong Us dot com, so you'll see more there. Otherwise, I want to remind you all, so we have speaking of abduction, the video from a Von Smith is up on our video on demand,
her lecture from the twenty seventeen UFO Congress. We also have Richard Dolan up there and speaking of Phoenix Lights earlier in the show, we have the Phoenix Lights presentation from James Fox. What a cool guy. James Fox is so really good stuff. So please go to the video on demand and subscribe, and we'll have some more video up videos up shortly, So lots of twenty seventeen videos, but we've got over one hundred videos now of some really really
good lectures, including that one from doctor Cloud Swanson. I was talking about about these topics that we talked about here. So if you love these topics, you'll definitely want to go watch this lecture from doctor clod Swanson that you can find at the open Minds Video portal. Of course, just go to
openminds dot tv to see that. You'll also find the stories we were talking about, so the Shag Harbor story, the story about the British mod files, and if it's Tuesday when you're listening to this, you know we'll have up, or if you're listening today, you know later we'll have up tomorrow. So Tuesday, the twenty third, we'll have up this story about Kurt Russell seeing the Phoenix lights. How cool is that? So really cool stuff at openminds dot tv. And we also on the I want you to tell
people the UFO Congress website. If you go to UFO Congress dot com, you'll see the dates, what is it, February fourteenth to the eighteenth for the next conference. Everything else on the website is TVD so you're not going to see much else. However, in the next month June is really when we kickstart things. We'll start to list speakers and we'll open up registration and all of that good stuff, so it will begin in June, so next
month we'll start to get some more information up at ufocongress dot com. I know it's going to be another very exciting event and Martin Crazy Martin, our news guy, will be there. So speaking of Martin, I want to say thank you to Martin for joining us at with the news at the beginning of the show. Also, thank you to Caleb Hanks for the wonderful open and close music. You could go to the UFO radio page at Openminds dot tv to read and get a link to get more of Caleb's work there.
He does some really cool stuff. And finally, I want to thank you all the listeners for being here once again. Thank you so much. We'll have another great show next week. Until then, Adios, mood Tuttles your emotion Glas three