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show this evening. It's kind of fun. Someone different and someone I doubt you have heard, except for maybe if you live in the Wisconsin area, because she was on the radio there, and that is Betty May Oakurl and she is from Wisconsin, this really small rural town in the middle of Wisconsin where there's lots of lakes and lots of hunting and that kind of thing. And they have had these UFO sidings out there. So Ker and her daughter
had a sighting years ago and since then they've had several more. She began to document them. She talked to some authorities and did some investigating to try to figure out what was going on, and although he was skeptical, her husband eventually also had a sighting so very interesting, and she decided to write a book about it. So I thought that was kind of cool that she was bold enough to kind of document that these UFO sidings and then write a
book about it. So I thought that was need of her to do. And I thought it was really need of her also to tweet how cool Open Minds magazine was, and so I just, you know what, Let's have her on this step show and hear her story. And I'm glad I did because she's a very pleasant, pleasant lady and it's an interesting story, and she'll be talking to us later in the shoe Son. It's a great interview
and hopefully, you know, some of you will buy her book. And I know some of you have your own internet radio show and she's a great guest, so you should have her on your show as well, and then talk about how cool Open Minds Radio is because they turned you on to this cool lady the news. Guess what, people we at open Minds cover UFO news on a daily basis, and we stay busy making sure we are in
the know, so we can share with you everything that's going on. And we have this kooky character named Jason McClelland who writes on the news every day and also comes to the radio show. And I am happy to say that Jason is here once again to share the news. Hello Jason, Hello, my friend. I'm not sure whether or not I should take the kookiness of the compliment. Oh, definitely, that's cool to be kookie. As long as you say it is, I'll go with this. Yeah. Well,
all right, hello everyone, and welcome. This is your Open Minds newspree for Monday, November twenty first, twenty eleven, Nalejandra. Thanksgiving is this week, so I'll start off with the story that is fitting for Thanksgiving. During Thanksgiving, all sorts of things get crammed into the refrigerator. Ah, so we're going to start off with the story about an alien in the refrigerator.
Oh oh yeah. A Russian woman claims she found an extraterrestrial outside her home in Western Russia two years ago, and until recently, she kept the et in her refrigerator. According to the Sun, the woman claims she heard a loud noise outside loud noise outside her home. She rushed outside to find flinging wreckage and crumpled metal from a crash. Ufo, the extraterrestrial victim of this crash, was allegedly nearby, and her reaction was to wrap the strange
creature in plastic and place it in her fridge well. The Daily Mail describes this creature is two feet long, has an enormous head, large bulbo sized, and an appearance somewhere between a fish and a humanoid. It also appears to have what looks like stringlike arms protruding from its body. This Java the Hut like appearance is just one element of the story that has many suspecting the hoax. Sun Reports quote people who have seen pictures of the alien have likened
it to Jaba the Hut from Star Wars and Slimmer from the Ghostbusters. Made others have clanned this bizarre find is simply a rotting vegetable which looks remarkably otherworldly. Also out of the fact that the woman waited two years to tell anyone about this body in her fridge, She claims that when she found a supposed extraterrestrial, he was wearing a spacesuit, but Alejandro when she put in her fridge. It seems to be kind of need so kind of creepy. She
must have disrobed this creature before putting it in the fridge. And where's this spacesuit now? So that's kind of weird. And the corpse has also disappeared, creating yet another problem with his story. The Sun states that an Academy
of Science in Russia is investigating the case. However, according to information in the video that surfaced on November fifth, two men claiming they were from this Academy of Science confiscated the corpse, and also according to this video, employees at the Academy of Science were contacted about the extraterrestrial body, with those employees denied knowing anything about it, so they could be covering it up or nobody
from that place took the body. Ah. Another element of the story that leads them to suspect a hoax is the involvement of paranormal writer Michael Cohen. The website all News webs Dating Mail report that the footage was unearthed by Cohen. Cohen is infamous for his repeated support of hoaxes and other cases where there is no supporting evidence, but his own with regard to this story, Cohen stated, quote, this could be an elaborate hoax, However, the possibility
that this might be a genuine alien should not be discounted. Coin did make one good point, though, stating that in all likelihood, most alien beings would look strange to us, and I agree with him. We don't know what all extraterrestrials would look like, so the fact that we have a strange creature, it's plausible that it could be an extraterrestrial. However, the multiple suspicious elements with the story make it unlikely that this corpse in the photos is
a genuine extraterrestrial, but until definite proof surfaces, anything's possible. Alejandro, Mm, yeah, I you know, was curious about this story until I saw the picture. I mean, a lot of people have said it looks like an egg plant, a rotting egg plant, and I think that sounds more accurate than an alien. It just doesn't look like an alien whatsoever to me. There are a lot of bizarre things with the body that the hand is the worst because of it's a lump, yeah, and then with this
stringy thing hanging out it's long and kind of wavy. And then it has these four little, like really awkward fingers sticking off it, and the waviness of the arm looks like a branch. You can see sort of the lines of a branch growth going through it as it waves, well, like an eye of a potato. How it like wiggles around and it's just bizarre looking. And someone pointed out that the eyes of the creature sort of look like
the cutout of watermelon rins. You can see the texture of watermelon around the eyes. I don't know, it could be this sort of science project mashed together. But the other thing is you've got this body and it's crammed in its bag, so in the pictures you only see sort of the heads picking out, and it's one wavy arm sticking out like a plastic sandwich. It's in a plastic bag, and it's funny to pretend like it's a scientific forensic
photo. They've got this rule next to it to show you the size, but they don't bother taking it out of the bag to do the measuring. Yeah, this thing that's chucked in the fridge, and I yeah, I think to me, another reason why it's not so unusual is that I'm a bachelor and bachelors are used to having science experiments in the fridge. Exactly, these very old things lumps that look very mysterious, just hanging out to take
comfort knowing that I also have those in my refrigerators. However, that's probably because I'm the man in the kitchen, So because I control all things in the kitchen, it's also my responsibility to toss things out, and I don't sometimes yet. This story really reminds me of though, an early Simpsons where he has had this sandwich and they went over years. My stomach is turning
just thinking about that episode. He had the sub sandwich and he kept finding it behind the couch, buying the fridge and everything, and it turned more purple and lumpy, but he would take a few bites every time he found it and then lose it again. I think that's what this was. And probably her husband saw it and was like, well, there's my sale words just like comercension. Then she would throw it in the garbage and he'd put it right back in the fridge. Yeah, exactly, awful. Well,
yeah, I'm calling bogus on that one. I don't know. That one's pretty goofy. A lot of media outlets had a lot of fun with it too, and that they really did. Yeah, it was picked up by everybody, So you had another mysterious body in Russia. It seems to be a trend this year and last year. Well, I guess for a while. Now it seems to be a lot of silly stuff coming out of Russia. People had time on their hens and unfortunately the media picked up on it.
Yeah. Well, I'll briefly do some NAZA news here because there was some cool NATHA news. NATHA announced last week that evidence suggests a giant lake of liquid water could be on Jupiter's moon Europa. A team of scientists led by Brittany Schmidt of the University of Texas Texas at Austin made the announcement at a NASA press conference. The team recently studied ice formations in Antarctica and Iceland, which, as space dot Com explains, provided clues as to how strange
formations on Europa known as chaos terrains were formed. The study provided researchers with evidence that suggests a lake with quote as much water as North America's Great Lakes combined, is one point five miles beneath Europa's surface, and because there are so many chaos terrains on Europa, scientists say several liquid lakes are likely to
exist beneath the Moon's surface. Liquid water is essential for life as we understand it on Earth, and therefore, anytime liquid water is discovered elsewhere in the galaxy, the possibility of finding extraterrestrial life as we know it increases. The team's research was published in the November seventeenth issue of the journal Nature. Up More Water in Space, all on ground, water and space, and I think this is sort of a big key we're going to have going forward looking
for extraterrestrial life. You know, we're so limited in what we search for now, looking for life as we know it, and a big part of that is water. But we're also just looking at the surface of these bodies, and I think there's so much more going on underground than we realize. I think that's the case on the Moon too. I've said that before. Yeah, yeah, hopefully they stand a rover it's like the one they launched today, right. I think it's a lot going on underground on our planet
that we don't know about. Perhaps, I think many people would agree with you and I think our friends at Virgin are going to find out about that under ground under the ocean. I think they'll be able to access things under our surface that I think we don't know about. Huh, I do They're they're they're really pushing their Virgin galactic and they're what is the other one virgin under the I'm sorry, Richard, I don't remember what it's called. So
I remember that. So they're doing what you're referring to is a project where they're taking a submarine really low. Is that what it is. Yeah, they have these special submarines and they're sort of like underwater jets. Oh cool. Yeah, so they can go super deep and super fast. Yeah, very interesting, very interesting. I love under the sea, and you know,
I love space. But you know, when we look at our own planet, we know so little about our own planet, let alone space, and that makes it even more lappable when scientists make these outrageous claims about even planets in our own Solar system, and then they come out and go, oh, by the way, we found planets. They don't have orbits. They're just zipping by. We don't know what they are. Yeah, we're just guessing anyway, I've got another great story for you, Alejandro. Are
you ready? This is an Indiana Jones story. Nice, but it's not about Indiana Jones. Yeah. Well, momofied remains of a body with a large head were discovered in Peru, and some scientists are claiming it to be of extraterrestrial origin. New site IOW nine reports that Renaldo d Villa Rikilme, an anthropologist at the Pravado Ritos and Dinos Museum in Crisco, Peru, made a discovery. The twenty inch tall body was originally thought to be that of
a child, but Spanish and Russian doctors reportedly believed differently. As IO nine reports, Nado explained quote, it has a non human appearance because the head is triangular and big, not the same size as the body. At first we believed it to be a child's body, until Spanish and Russian doctors came and confirmed that, yes, it is an extraterrestrial being. And that's the exact quote that this guy gave. So I didn't they even say that the
head is about the same size, are bigger than the body. They said it's about the same size or bigger than the body. That is correct, and so they thought it just those facts alone. They thought it could be a kid with some deformity or something. But other indicators were teeth. They have. This thing has fully developed teeth, really large canine teeth, and it actually has molars, so a child at that age would not have molars. Maybe they have the head mixed up with the wrong rest of the mummy.
You never know what happens when you're dealing with mummification. Things can get screwed up fast. Yeah, because that sounds really weird. But regardless of if the head is the right one for the body or whatever, it's an awfully strange head gets a strange head, for sure. So I'm excited to hear more about this one. I'm sure it's from your ancestors. Maybe then I would be proud to have this large, re angular headed, extraterrestial being
as relative. Yeah, I know you you especially, so I'm assuming you're your family line. You come from big headed people. I don't know, kind I guess kind of not abnormally though, our heads are typically much smaller than the rest of our bodies. Oh, I was thinking about your ego. I'm getting confused. Oh, you got to get a dig in there dig in there for my friend Alejandro. I have a sighting I want to talk about here. Man by the name of Jameson Reeve took pictures of UFOs
in the sky above Chantry Court and Hatfield, England. While he was on his bed. He glanced out his window and noticed an odd light in the sky. Reeve is a photographer, and he stated, quote, I often photographed the night sky, and I knew it looked different from anything I had seen before. He set up with Canon sixty D and took a series of photos. When you review his shots, he could see four separate lights in
the sky that weren't visible when he snapped the photos. According to the Well and hat filled time, the image quote showed mysterious mushroom shaped crafts set against a starry night sky. The kind of interesting photos. And this is a guy who he's a photographer. But not only is he a photographer, he specifically says that he frequently photographs the night sky, so that takes some specialized
practice in himself. But from what I understood from this story, the way he set up his camera, he set it up with, you know, a long exposure, which you typically do for night photography. To let more
light in to be able to capture lights in a dark environment. And by doing this he captured these four different lights and they're not really streaking or moving like you would expect if you know, an airplane had come into the field or you know, another light it appeared from a moving object and moved back, you would see these streaky lines. And there really isn't that. There's a little bit of something that could indicate a little bit of movement, but
not to indicate where the object came from or where they went. And he didn't see these when he was shooting, so it's interesting. Yeah, I think they're really interesting pictures and it's neat, you know, I love to see that from England. I mean, they really pay a lot of attention to UFO sidings. I mean you still see even after you know, no matter what, on a regular basis, weekly basis, we see stories where they take these UFO signings seriously and report them. That's something we don't have
that often here unfortunately. Well what we have it here, but we're a much bigger country with much more news outlets. But they seem to have just as many stories as we do, right, And I mean you know, rettin no offense, guy, it's it's just compared to America. You know, it's fairly small. We've got a pretty big country here. Yeah, it's a large well, may got it. They got a great country. I love it. I don't want people to get mad at me for making
fun of you. Better not make fun of them. They're my friends. I hope they're your friends, all right. And thanks to your your your recent studies, Arizona's are are are number one state for UFOs in this country. We've got a lot going on, but again the reports are are infrequent, Yeah, very infrequent, and who knows what the heck's going on. In fact, our our colleague Maureene had a UFO sighting this weekend. No she didn't, Yeah she did. It was only a UFO momentarily it's an
if ow it's identified. She had a UFO sighting she has since identified because of her wonderful research. However, she's found flaws with that identification as well. So you've got to share a story. Well, I don't want to steal morning thunder. But she did see something zooming through the sky making strange movements. It didn't look like an airplane. Certainly didn't look like Chinese lanterns because the thing is moving back and forth and illuminating, and then the light
was going out and then coming back. So there were four lights in the sky, and she suspected that they could be, as we've seen recently in the news, sky divers with flares attached to their body going down through the sky. And so she did her research and found out that there was indeed
a team of divers who did a dive on that night. However, the time that their dive was scheduled for was an hour after she had seen these lights in the sky, so they could have jumped the gun and gone an hour earlier, or practiced, or practiced and then gone again used up all their flares. Well, they got a lot of flares. But there are a lot of those lights now and more times than not they do turn out
to be these skydivers. Yeah, that's interesting that that's become so common and out here when it's so warm, that could be happening any time of the year. Well, and as we're seeing with you know technology, i mean, everybody can get led lights. Now we're seeing that a lot more people love being able to illuminate the night sky. So they're putting lights on everything. They go out with their kites and put led lights on them, their
remote control airplanes and put led lights on them. Now these guys are putting flares down their pants and jumping out airplanes. They're gonna catch on fire. Yeah, crazy, it's pretty dangerous. Well, one more story, Alejandro A couple of weeks ago, and I'm sure everyone remembers this. The White House responded to the disclosure petition that sought formal acknowledgment from the president quote an
extraterrestrial president, extraterrestrial presence engaging the heat Uman race. Stephen Bassett of the Paradigm Research Group announced his follow up petition that will be submitted to the We the People section of the White House website on December first. This petition reads quote, we petition the Obama administration to demand a full congressional investigation of ufote et disclosure efforts by the Clinton OSTP, the Rockefeller Initiative. The information on
the PRG website about this new petition explains quote. In response to the disclosure petition, the OSTP, the Office of Science and Technology Policy, stated the US government has no evidence that any life exists outside our planet, or that an extraterrestrial presence has contacted or engaged any member of the human race. If true, what was the OSTP investigating from March nineteen ninety three to October nineteen
ninety six in concert with billionaire and Clinton friend Lawrence Rockefeller. The petition goes live on December first, and will need to gain twenty five thousand signatures by December one December thirty first in order to receive a response from the White House. I think that's a tall order, but good luck to mister Bassett and his efforts. I wonder if the White House will even bother responding to this, or whether they'll be kind of annoying because they just responded to this well
and we yeah, I mean this one's a little different. I think the wording is a little confusing, and he's asking so he is asking the White House to ask the Congress to investigate the White House, right, which is kind of strange. And not only that, as far as the documents go. During the Clinton administration, Clinton asked William Hubble, his buddy, to look into UFOs, but there's no end. He has stated that he will
into Roswell, but didn't find anything. And of course we have during his tenure the Roswell reports that came out of the Air Force, but we don't see the Office of Science and Technology involved with that. The Clinton years there was a consultant who worked with Rockefeller because Rockefeller was interested in it. Hillary Clinton was also there were Rockefeller's correspondence was going through her office, but that's all it was. And you see no real conversations between them going on that.
You know that the Clintons were actively helping Rockefeller. It seemed like Rockefeller wanted them to be, but they didn't really respond much or officially get any investigation going on. So I don't you know, you're asking the White House to investigate itself, and then the Democratic president to investigate the Office of the Science and Technology, which obviously is not interested in the subject, to investigate
the Clinton office. It's a really tall order, and I think, what even if he gets to twenty five thousand signatures, Like you said, that's a tough one. Well, and you make a really good point pointing out that you're asking the White House to ask Congress to investigate the White House. You know that it seems sort of combative, like The first one was basically, say admit to us that you're lying. You're all liar. I mean, you can't go and attack them and expect them to really have any sort
of motivation, any desire to tell you something if they know something. Yeah, I think what would have been interesting. Antonio and I were just talking about this because Antonio wrote the Rocketfeller document he was on staff, and Antonio and I were talking it would have been interesting if you worded it in the way because the Office of Science and Technology said they had no evidence. If you were to worded it that we would like the Office of Science and Technology
to respawn to the Rockefeller document. And because there is some great evidence in there. There's some great cases in there, and that straightforward the wording is so much better because it's like, Okay, you say you can't find any evidence, Well, what do you think of this document? Because there's some great evidence in there. That would have been good. I mean that would have been something I think the entire UFO research community would have been behind because
it would be interesting to see what the White House says. Yeah, and again Antoni made a good point too. I mean, it's the timing is bad too. I mean, look at everything that's going on in our country right now. I really don't think there's going to be a congressional hearing about something like this. So Obama's already asking them to create jobs, and you know they're obviously not excited to do anything Obama is asking them to do right
alone. Look for extraterrestrials to investigate this thing. Well, we'll watch through the month of December and see how it unfolds. Yeah, all Hunter, that is it for the news. Remember to check out all these stories and so many more at openminds dot tv, your source for UFO related news. I'm Jason McClellan, your Open Mindes news correspondent, and you have been briefed. Have a happy thanksgiving everyone back to you, Alejandro. Thank you,
Jason. All right, before we get into the interview, I want to tell you about another couple of stories that you can read that we've written and lately, Antonio and I have tackled England. Speaking of written earlier, and that is a story that actually I wrote for the Huffington Post, although it was written by another group. Had written about Prince Philip having a new biography out and it's not an autobiography. But it's a gentleman who wrote about Prince
Philip. And Prince Philip is the Duke of Edinburgh and the husband of Queen Elizabeth, and he had actually a very interesting upbringing and he was a fellow in the navy who the Queen fell in love with as the princess before she was queen. And so this guy decided to write a biography about the Prince.
What's interesting is that he was actually inspired by Prince Phillip's UFO interests, and that's what I wrote about on the Huffington Post, that he was going to write a book about eufologists after World War Two and Prince Philip was one of those people, because Prince Philip has been into UFOs for some time, but because he got into Prince Philip's story, he thought it was so interesting that this deserved a book itself, just Prince Philip's early life, which it
does. It is very interesting. I went on to talk about something that Antonio has written about on Open Minds before, about how Prince Philip's uncle, Lord Mountbatten, and I'm not even sure if I'm saying that correctly, but he had also been into UFOs. This was a a lord, a well to do gentleman, and he actually had one of his employees saw UFO on his one of his estates, and he investigated that, but he had some
ideas about UFOs. So very interesting story. Now. Antonio then went on to write on Open mindsa on TV about the nineteen seventy nine UFO debate at the House of Lords, and you can really read the verbiage from the entire debate. And this is really interesting because the House of Lords, which is
kind of weird. We don't have something like that, you know, here the queen can declare someone a lord and they're an important person and they have their own branch, kind of like the House of Representatives or something where the lords get together and they can their branch of the government. And so there was a debate there about UFOs in nineteen seventy nine, and Antonio put a story on Open Minds TV about that and some official documents that came from that
debate. So very very interesting stories. I'll have to check those out. Uh As for now, we uh let's go ahead and get to our interview with Betty may Oh Curl. I'm very happy to have gotten her and this is a great Uh. I'm glad to have her on. All right. I am excited to have on the show. Author of the Mysterious Lendsy Lights, Betty may O Curl. Did I now I tried to do your name and ken? Did I get it better this time? Or is it like kind of oak roll? Yeah? It just kind of roll? Okay,
I love it. And where did you say the origins of your name was? Okay? Yeah, very interesting. It's a neat name. So overall, So, Betty, you've written this book about these UFO encounters, and it's really interesting to me. You know that the sightings that you were having, which actually I hadn't heard of in Lindsay, Wisconsin, were so impressive to you that you decided to write a book Exactly. I you never realized
you would be able to see you a hole in Lady, Wisconsin. I didn't they lived in an area where such things had happen, so I were surprised by it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and you know, I've written recently about UFO hotspots and I do these graphs and stuff, and they happen all over the country. And that kind of brings me to one of my first questions, which is when this started happening. First, when did these UFO sightings start? And what did you think of the whole UFO phenomena
when this all began. I mean, were you sort of an enthusiast or did you just really not think much of the subject. Well, I know I didn't think about UFLES. I never had a reason to. But in mid October two thousand they work. My daughter and I were coming home from Marshall is a town about fifteen miles from my home, and it was my
time and the first sighting appeared. At that time. The sky was a reformation of about It came with nine ten white lights and it just probably it above the world, and it wasn't too far in front of us, probably a half mile. And as we watched this, it just started shutting the flights off on at a time from the bottom row and then up the towns roll and it was just gone. And you know, I'm thinking to myself, what was that because any air craft around here I never noticed do anything
like that. And still the sitings discontinued. And this was in mid actual work of two thousand and four, and my daughter was listening. She was eleven at the time. And we see this together. So the next day I thought, I'll just go to the library and find some books about your goals, and we can find a picture of what it was we saw that night. And of course we did find a picture of what looked like of information somewhat of what we saw, and right there I was kind of convinced
that it was something out of the ordinary. So we just continued to watch for them, and at times we would just catch up by supplies. We had no ideas it's going to happen, and then all of a sudden's voice turning on. And so I hat this documented what we saw and kept track of it real close on the calendar and decided I was going to write about it because there were so many sightings. But prior to that, you know,
I just an counting post and I never dolved into the UFOL. I watched movies in my uh later ten years about UFOs and maybe some documentaries when your vold, but I never seen any of my own. Now, this first signing that you had about could you estimate how far above the road you think those lights were? Well, according to the tree line on the Sire road, they were just above the tree line and right in the center of the road. Wow. So just yeah, just in front of us and
between the tree line. And I don't know where it came from because just suddenly I see with sitting in the sky. I mean I didn't see it turning on. I just wanted to sit there. And when I asked my daughter, would you look at it and if you can tell, because I wasn't sure if there was a hill, you'd say, maybe going with a
trailer with defructor lights. Sitting there and my my car lights are hitting their lights, they exucting, and you know, I'm when I see this deformation and she said, no, it's in the sky, definitely in the sky. And of course we got a little culture. Well, yeah, it was definitely in the sky and about a bottle and then it just started shutting off one out of time and that was really really weird. Wow. Since you can kind of estimate that it was just above the tree line, what
were your estimates for the possible size of this formation? Hmmm. I would say did it in a school bus, it would be you know, and it's and it's hard to recoup because it happened so fast and at the time they're not thinking to taste on that type of information. But when I did decided that I was going to keep track of it because after a couple of sightings, curved acted at a well okay, this is more dis once they were going to see track of them and see what really occurs that. Yeah,
yeah, it documented everything in the book. And like I said, I have the kind of data of a dozen sightings. I had drew illustrations of what we saw because we couldn't never get pictures. So that helps the reader, you know, see what it is that is being described. Right, So this these red lights, I'm just I think that you said that they were read and I'm kind of guessing because that looks like on the book cover, you know, you kind of have a illustration of a V formation
of these red lights. Were they very bright? Well, okay the V formation on the cover, they were white lights. See we see and white lights like in the V formation. And we've seen rows of yellow white, and you've seen rows of all orange and rows of all reds, and we've seen yeah, we've seen several different things. They weren't all the same.
So and and we've seen an object that looked like a whole moon, and we've seen another exciting that they it appeared to be stars, a group of saws, and then a short time later when I checked by these stars, they were nowhere in sight. Wow. So yeah, so you know, you just try the expense of it. My entire is the extense of what it is that you're you're ling. And then there's the three of us in the family seeing the same. It wasn't just one of us. It was
the three of us most of the time. And my daughter and I together seen seeing all of them except for the one sighting of the red lights. I was by myself when I saw this royal red lights and a lot of these sightings were viewed by from our house. Wow. So your daughter, how old was she when this first sighting occurred? And how did what did she think? She was eleven and I don't know if it was been watching
ETV and whatnot. Her response to it at first, she was a little a little scared, I think, but then I told her, I said, you know, this is just the once in a lifetime thing. You know, we're gonna see anything. I could again, I said that I do think that was a year goal. And uh, well, alone beholds.
We've seen a business fightings and as time went on, Amanda was really interested in watching for these and you made it a point to gather up our stuff and back the car the driveway and sit on our data road across my driveway just about every night and watch for your vote. And she was stray into it. Well, she must have kind of talked to her friends about this, did them how did they react? Did they start to come hang out with you or did or did she not talk to her friends about it?
Yeah, she didn't want to say too much. Of her friends and Holly at that time were maybe too scared because we live in the country and when she didn't have her friends old, she didn't want to scare them. You know, we've told the two people. But then you know, you don't want to stay a whole lot. You know, people are going to think you're cookie. Right. Yeah, but now the book is out with her picture on the back with us, so you know there's no going back
now. Yeah. Well, and now she's what around seventeen or eighteen? Yeah, to eighteen. Well, yeah, so you can be a little more brave. That's when you start to be a little more brave. I guess, huh exactly. So right after this first signing you've said that you started to see it more often. About what was the frequency? There really wasn't a set pattern. It could happen a couple of weeks from each other or a month, two months, but at one point, I think a
good four or five months it had gone by before we came again. You just never knew. That's why we started watching blond too, because we just wanted to figure out what they were right, And when we came up with the answer, there was a found most of the time they did stationary a lot of times. These roads, the lights they were similar in the fact that they did light up one the light at a time and cover there and then shut off in the opposite directions and then maybe light up again, maybe
say at an angle. And these lights were all about the same flies. I would guess them to be somewhere around the side of the stack and goal light. Okay, yeah, you know if you're coming approaching the stack and goal light, how big a stock and goal light would be. Yeah yeah. And it was no glare. It was like they were contained in the circles. And like I said, we were either all yellow, white,
white, orange, or red. It was never mixed colors. Oh really, never mixed colors, all one color right M. And I observed flayers being shot blocks from the jets. The jets fly over here is open air
space. I called Fort McCoy alth of us here because they do never your own you know, I knew that, but I wanted to know what it looked like, you know, so where I wouldn't state there the vy for what we were seeing, and it's it's not clarious because they were shooting players off just this week and I watched them and it kind of resembled me what we saw, but not it wasn't. So it's still unidentified. Have you seen these things moving? No, they did. It's kind of turn on
and turn off. Yes, stationary at two top levels. M. Yeah, no noise. So then you what about you you you had obviously you were curious about them. Did you begin investigating kind of on your own or did you start by inquiring with neighbors or people in the area. Well, right away, I went to the library. At the time, I didn't have a home computer, and I got all the documentation I could of any
UFOL books that was possibly out there. I went to the video store got documentaries to watch just to compare what it was people were reporting and was we were doing. And there was a strong resemblance to what other people were saying that they saw and resaws, So you know, I was starting to think more and more of that, is this really what you call ufols? And
I didn't talk too much to the neighbors. I until my husband went to work and was talking to the guys about the guides that we had been seeing. And there was a few people that had come forward that lived in our area here so that they had seen excusing two that they couldn't explain. So that has ended up a little more for me to actually talk to the math from what is it you saw? And some people played that had actually seen soccer, they kind of craft wow in the period, Yeah, are and
much more impressive than what we were seeing. And I'm like, wow, no kidding. You know, I had no idea that you've both spotted in News Wisconsin. Yeah, yep. What about your husband then? What how did he react when you went and told him what you and your your daughter had seen. Yeah, the first night when we've seen the deformation as we came home uh, and approached our drive day there was another exciting right on the horizon rest of us that is very rage. It is like a bouncing
wall, a flaming wall. I mean, this thing looks like it was on fire, actually burning, and its bouncing. This thing that bounced across the haridizing and it bounced delivered to the right, and it bounced to the to the left, and then all of a sudden it was stat there. Wow. And then you know what I mean, this light shot up straight out of the center and we're watching this thing shoot up in the sky.
It was just a small light at the side of the star. And then and then it just traveled straight left and it stopped and traveled straight the straight like the straight right, and then straight left and it was like okay, And that was the very thing light he'd see the reformation. So when I'm when my husband came to work, you pay him right away. We just saw this in the stone, and you know, he's the quiet spot in
any way. But he didn't say a whole lot. And he's been a few days after that, my daughter died and we told him again, and he didn't say a whole lot until he ended up having his own fighting along with us, and he just trying to turn and looked at me a little white with the said I just got these things back, and I said yeah, I said exactly exactly. So then fint that point he did pay attention to what we were talking about, and he noticed the suit. If we
see something, you'd call him out to take a look at it. How long after your signing was his first signing? We've seen our first fighting in October and it was the following June. Okay, so a few months. Yeah, I'd see Aman and I had probably three or four fighting before Judie one that we all though seen it, uh the same time. Yeah, so you're probably relieved that he finally had his own sighting in that it was
becoming more of a family affair as opposed to just kind of gay. Oh yeah, you know, then you got some back up and then you feel like, you know, they're really before you, not looking at you, like all, okay exactly. So what about any local authorities did you any
did you approach anybody? Well, at one point, yeah, I was getting kind of nervous because these sightings were right by our house and I didn't know what they wanted and because I read all these beautiful books at the time it just happening, I was certainly get just a little nervous about what was going on. And at one point I thought, I noticed a light in this guy and it looked like building and it is stilling with like you, and I was just a little lor it. And as we watched this thing,
Amanda and I where they have a good work. I watch this because what you do? I said, I don't know what there live. And so I did call our local police department and known if they didn't send the sheriff out here. And she took a look at it through the monocoas and said, that's a star. And I said, that's the star. I
said, it's still being by the way the zoo. And I don't know if they have satellites up there and do this, but I noticed the things in the sky even now, a few of them that are located in stategic places that seemed to have this stroke effect. I don't think it's a star. I think it couldn't be a sale. But she she says to you, we can't do anything about it. In the it's three top level.
But I'm thinking, really, well, that's an interesting response. That's very strange because it's like, Okay, I can see maybe if it's at tree top level, but it, you know, leads me to wonder, and this has happened. Some police have had their own signings and sometimes of things
that are at tree top level. I wonder if they have any stories around there in their police department of things like that happening, right, because the responsive is though if at the tree top level, they could do something about it, but it's way out there. There's nothing you're going to do about it. And it did kind of strike It's kind of some interesting that but he's like, oh boy, you know, I call her out here and
there's nothing more than it's strong. Yeah, you know, but after that, we just made sure that what we were looking at isn't anything that was was just you know, identifiable. So but I never called anyone after that. I just thought, there's nothing that they're going to do about it, and I'll just keep track of it. So, out of all the sightings that you had, was the first one the most spectacular or was there another one or others? Yeah, they're all they're all extraordinary. Really, I
can't really complaint any that that was better than others. Uh, I do know that they want account that I have in the books of the red lights. Uh. Scared the heck out of me. I was unruled myself coming home. They have the lights led up beside me, uh, right alongside our house here, wow, or across from our house educate And yeah, it scared me. So those wouldn't have been pretty low the for it's just a build the tree tops. Yeah, yeah, and it was big.
I estimated it to be about as big as a bond like life. Yeah, one light or all together just well there was six about six lights get light up one at a time. And like I said, all these lights seemed to act to say. They would just light up one at a time and cover there and then short time acting up, they'll just start turning off in the opposite direction. So very intriguing, really very scary, bit intriguing. What are the people like in your town about? How big is it?
Has that been very far from a big town? Well, I really say I tell you how big Marshall is. I really can't recall it. The population is a Marshall, but Lindsay is about seventeen miles southwest of the city. Of Marshfield, and it's just a community. It just has a local bar, a small general store, a park, and just some little neighbors, you know. And we're three miles south of this little community and we're just country people. You know. A lot a lot of us live
in the woods. This is a big hunting area, a lot of wildlife, and we're just you know, mind their own business and we'll just you know, say hide at amazing museum and whatnot. And when I wrote this book, I didn't know what kind of response I was going to get from the community. But the local tavern had had the book fighting down here. She advertises that Radhill, and they were open to it. A lot of people around here already ever read the book, and I thought it was well
written. And I haven't had really any negative responses. I just any negative responses are probably keeping up to them, tells me. But yeah, so that's that's interesting that. I mean, well, Jimp, when the book came out, were you shocked by the positive response? Not shocked, but or surprised? Yeah. Yeah, I was hoping the book was going to be good. I was hoping that people were going to be receptive to it, and they were and I'm I'm just glad, I really am. Like
I said, people are just pretty much open minded around you know. Yeah, so I don't know. We'll see how much publicity I did here in the coming two years that I have the contract with my publishers. So it's just getting going. Now. Have you had anybody, you know of very many people that have kind of maybe not talked to you anymore or treat you strangely at all. No, no, no, yeah, that's great. I think that you know, and we'll see what you think from your experience
that people are more open about this stuff. They may or at least open minded. They may not talk about it much, they may be shy or hesitant to talk about it, but once they feel comfortable to talk about it or with someone who they're comfortable with that It's always surprising to me how many people are at least open to the idea. Well, you know, that's why I wrote the book. I guess I wanted people to come forward if they did see something I didn't want it just have to go door to door
and say, did you see anything Discatchuh? Do you know what I thought? If I put it in the book documented it had had the illustrations and that people would be able to see what we saw from the illustration and say I see that and come forward. And they did at the book signing and an Undy Brown girl, I did have a couple of people come forward and
tell me what they saw. That's too funny. So when I wave there a mile a miles away from our house, these people came forward, but the bay saw and they were you know, kind of creaped out by it. And I guess also if someone else that had what the book told me, you know, other people think so, you know, but you're the one that has had the guests to write about it and want just like you know, it's a the sting of stuff, you know, a dozen fightings,
it's an a four year period. I mean why you know it was different for the for the answers of it, why we h Yeah, well it's a little long. Yeah, that's the unfortunate part. I mean, you know, uh, there are and I don't know what you found when you started to look into this subject. There seems to be a lot some people who feel they've discovered and it's usually not discovering a couple of answers. It's either they've they feel they've discovered all the answers or none of the answers.
And some of the people who I respect to have been in this field the longest, uh, you know, kind of feel like the more they find, the more questions they have, so they really haven't. You know, this phenomenon is so enigmatic, it's difficult to understand. Uh, the mechanisms are the motives behind it? Where did you feel that way? Did you feel like as you started to research you came any closer to an answer? No? Actually, I was doing a more information what I could even
process, and it was like, where will this end? Is there end? You know? It's like even to this day, you know, there's just so much talk and whatnot, so much written on this topic, and mane averts it's dis ends work and I'm just a little sied of that my book and I you know, it's just a little us that it's really out there, and I'm just glad to get it out in my community because I
think, you know, people weren't really aware that I wasn't aware. Well, if you're not really into it and have been into it, you can go about your daily life and then think about R goals and until you see something. And the more I read about the topic, and uh, the more I discovered that people felt the same way we've seen the right you speak out the answer for it. You want to know what you've seen. So that's were going dig into all the information that you find about it, and
you still don't get an answer other than its or identify it. And I haven't seen an I don't think it was in the same time. But then again, how do you know that we did see lights and they were unidentified and they still talk down even this week, it's very week of there being incited in the city, Wisconsin. Yeah, so I have a feeling I'm going to be wanting to check on the guide to little more often. Now. Have you heard of the movefon group, the mutual your phone network?
Yeah? Actually, I have them come out to doing an investigation or interview. Oh probably. I think it's in two thousand and six. And because like I said, I was doing a little on edge of White, the lights were right by our house and I don't know, nothing developed from it. And that's when I decided to I'm gonna just write my own book about it. It's the only way to get this out there, and you know,
I didn't poltical. This was all new to me and a friend of mine mentioning new songs and so that's how I got in touch with Nuthon was to her. And but they haven't really comes with conclusion either. Yeah, yeah, well it's hard. You know, I've been a move on investigator and you know, these sightings happen, and do you have these people kind of sometimes wanting uh information or some kind of maybe even some kind of closure around what's happening to them or what they've seen. And as a move on
investigator you can do to say, yeah, that's weird. And and you know, unfortunately they're regular guys like you and me who are just instead of writing books, you know, going out and doing these investigations. But that's what's interesting about what you chose to do. And I think really neat that you chose to write a book. And I mean have you written other books? Have you written columns or were you in journalism at all? No? And actually this just came upon me out of the doup. Well. When
I was younger, I thought, yeah, i'll write some poetry. This is that you know that never developed into anything. And I never tried writing a book before, but I thought, you know, I'm just going to write down what happened, you know, write down our dialogue that we care, how we thought discilly behind the siding, and just go from there and put it in the book and see what happened. And I was really glad
to hear that. People said it was well written, and they disney the incredient that if I would ever have the easy to write another book, even though follow up to the mysterious things, he writes, I have the encouragement maybe needed to do it because this thing did turn out well. So I'm just really pleased. You know, I never, like I said, I was never a published writer before, so this is all new to me,
and you know, I'm happy about it. Yeah. I mean, did you ever imagine that, you know, you would write a book about UFOs No, like I said, maybe poetry exactly. And that's a little bit of a little bit different than poetry. Oh yeah, And it's it's nonfiction. You know, this really happened to us, and one of it is
made up. I have a chapteral so that involves the fact that I developed kydromyologia basically right after these writings are doing exciting and it just happened like whole night, and I'd be catastronging learning at maybe being in quote vicinity of a lot of these exciting possibly could have affected my system because I was finding before that, And then after these fightings started happening, I was wasn't fine, and I was going to the doctor for a couple of years with complaints of
body pain and lagia and couldn't sleep and painle and my limbs and singers and and they ran all kinds of tests and everything was negative. And I basically diagnosed myself because there wasn't anything left and they didn't know how to treat me. And I looked it up to myself and like the doctor is going, you know, anything like it figuring would beat file my over because there's nothing else, you know, you're not finding anything else wrong with you. And
it's still to this day one I'm living the side of elogion. And as if they don't know why, all of a sudden it came out and I decided I should be pregarted my book to a chapter. As far as that I went through going back and forth to the doctor for a couple of years, and because that never ever happened in my life before I eating rice and got my medical records and coincided my visits to the doctor with the sighting of
the lights, and it all happened at the same time. And I haven't been going back to exactly thing at all, and we haven't been doing light seasons, so I don't know, you know, it's just forgot, but I felt strong enough about it that I should include it in the book. I did. Yeah, well, yeah, that's really interesting. I mean, yeah, it's just such a strange phenomenon. But I wanted to kind of get back to some of the local reaction to you said that the local
bar held ore. Is that what it was? A bar restaurant that held assigning the part the darn grew and so they were excited about the book. Yeah, I guess because they were in my introduction right, help too, Now that they have it, do they have their own interest in the subject. Well. Uh. The owner's daughter said that she had seen a light in the sky well two with her dad. It wasn't as impressive as all,
she said, but she was very open to it. And the owner herself purchased the book and letter and the open into it and has heard around from other people that said that they see stuff too. So you know, I just still happen to write about it, and they they re enjoy it, I think, you know, and she continues to sell my book that is an establishment, and I think they're getting the kick out of it.
Really. Yeah, that's cool, it's neat and they're open to it because you know, so a lot of times people get excited, you know, they're mentioned in the book and so they want to help promote it and things like that. But once in a while, especially in rural areas, you do find these people that are just like you know, they almost act like they're offended. They really don't want anything to do with anything like that, and so they really kind of shun it. So it's good that you've had
this product of reaction. And you also said the local radio station talks about it. Yes, the radio station in Millville, which is fifteen miles west of me here was my hometown. Uh. The gentleman that did the interview and the w c c N even told me that his mother witnessed some lights when she lives gown this area north of north of US here when she's growing up, something that really stayed with her, and he was very open to
the subject. And the gentleman that did the live interview from Marshfield, I don't know what he really thought of it, but you know, you know, he asked, he asked the right questions, and many feel comfortable since
it was live still uh March and they're pretty open to it. The bigger town, but the little Limby community here that they said, since that the book carries the title lindsay lights, you know, I don't know if they if they say yay, you know they is a little bigger on the math now or just because you can see the dingy lights and so there we are. Yeah. Yeah, Now, out of these people who have come forward from the area and said they've had their own sightings, what what are they
are there sighting similar to yours? Yeah? Yeah, the sparkle I call them sparkles, the little hind point of lights that that just seems to twinkle in the sky and the seeing them on poys and it seems like, you know, these lights appear not long after that you can't see the rows of the larger lights turning out and off. And several people have mentioned that they've seen those sparkles too, And I asked, you think it's military. No is say it's not military, and I'm like, okay, you know,
I just want to confirm me and Joy. I've had the one gentleman come for and say he's seen a sauser oh wow, yeah, right across from our house. And they moved in down here on this ten acres in ninety seven, and he said that was the year he witnessed that he's always a saucer hovering above the neighbor's field across the road from our house when he came out of the woods. And like I said, I never seen a saucers. I saw lights. It's light. And for people around theitary, they
say they've seen safice that's impressant. Yeah, which is also very common. But like you said, you know, these light deformations of balls of lights are fairly frequent occurrence as well. Now did you get the feeling that it was one large object or several small ones in formation? Well, no,
I'm still looking into it. That's what it did. You know. I try to gather more informations so I can figure out was it one large ship possibly or was it double and I'm beginning to think that the lights that turn on and off in these roads could be from this one large object, and
I didn't want it would be a signal. If there's three lights and then they shut off, and then four or five, six flights turn on and then they shut off, you know, it's it's a signal that's being sent or something, because it seems like there's something more good, you know, there's more to it and more we I see. Whatever they're up to. Whoever is running these things, they have their own little way about about how
they communicate me. And I'm just thinking that there's sending a signal from there with with the number of lights and the color of the lights, you know, the color is being being different. I just have a feeling that there's something to that that I would like to know more moments. Yeah, and who do you think? What is your theory as to who these guys are?
M hm, you know, I say it if I'm really staying what they are, because I don't know what they are, and I'm not gonna say, oh, yeah, it's it's sort of shift a little manuent or this or that or all. I know. If they were lights and they were lights that don't resemble anything that I would consider mandated, because nothing covers at tree top level and it's silent and kept their light drop in the dark, and then you know, either reappese somewhere else in the sky or don't
need you here at all. That there isn't make any sense for our many craft. And if you're gonna have an airplane cover at tree top level, you're either gonna hear something they can't say the sky at tree top level in the aircraft and any long and if it's a helicopter, you're gonna hear something,
yeah, and usually going to have a flashing light somewhere. And the lights appeared to be big enough where if it was an airplane, it would have to be almost landing for the lights to be decided they are, So it doesn't match the description of an airplane or a hot air balloon or a glider flutter. You know, there's something that I can match it up with, So therefore is unidentified. Yeah, so you really don't want to say you know where it comes from, but you just have a feeling it's not
ours, it's not man made. Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much, And yeah, I don't know where it comes from. I really don't and I don't want to speculate where it comes from. I was never given a message or killed, you know, subliminate publiminally where these objects are from or where they're going or what they want. So I don't know. And the other thing I have is my my objects to tell me this is what I saw, and good thing my daughter was with me were the same thing.
And then her dad to also been a bit full. And then my friend that wrote the forward my book one night as a set of lights by our house hits. So we went alone, and I'm happy for that too. Why we were Why we were picked to see this? Or I said, it's sam tru to me too. You know why the mini starting you know maybe one way to two that's a dousand did in a Poe period. Yeah, but why I thought, Yeah, just belonged to the book.
Yeah, people got to read about great And I think it is it's wise of you, and I think it's you know, a rational investigative way to look at it. In that, like you said, you know what you can to do. So what you do feel is that they aren't ours, and they demonstrate technology that might not be similar to our technology, but that if it's technology at all what you're seeing, and but that you know,
you don't know what it is. And sometimes people jump to conclusions. And I think it's good too, like you have been doing put together the pieces and let the pieces, you know, take you in whatever direction they do, as opposed to kind of jumping ahead. Great, and you know, I've wanted to make sure you want to wrote the book that we won't see
it. And the only thing close to what we saw would have been slowly and I'd seen it, and yeah, like I said, it kind of looks like you know how they light up in a row in extreme but then slowly sigal out and the lights we saw actually turned off, you know, like a light bulb was turning up and the light was contained. And I've read this and I've heard of this and the other you were full materials how other people described getting in the saw and that's what we saw, and know
I it has to be the same thing. And yeah, very interesting stuff. Really, I can't believe it, you know that that this is put in my hands to to write about and well, you know when yeah, I think it's to me, it's really interesting to hear too about the positive response in that area, because I know what the area is. Like. My stepfather's from Minnesota, and you're not too far from Minneapolis from that area, and you know a lot of hunters, a lot of outdoors men.
It looks like, you know, you're in an area where there are a lot of lakes and forests, so a lot of outdoor people. And I know typically often those people can be seen and sometimes I've experienced that they are a little more closed to ideas. But I think that's changing, yeah, really, and and it's changed in Colorado where I'm from. I've seen people in rural areas becoming more open to this kind of stuff as they see stranger
stuff and their friends and families see strange stuff. And uh and do you get that feeling? Also? You said, yeah, I believe that even though we are you know, out here in the words and in the rural area, I think sooner or later, the world is going to spread and it's going to get to these areas that are more closed closed in and people are going to realize that everybody's talking about this, these are just one person
thing. It several people say this and mean the more they hear it being talked about and possibly maybe even see something on your own, Like, you know, I didn't ever think that I would ever seen anything like this, And when I did start seeing it, then I started thinking about it and researching it, and yes, it seems to happen. And when you see this, you have to know more about it, you have to know what
it is. And so you been working for it for the inste there and true you know people that if you're not used to hearing about us, uh seeing it or whatnot, you know, and you're kind of like, oh, you know, there's just just have the stuff, and I don't know if I should beleeve in it, like maybe shouldn't even be hearing it? The bad might have yeah you know who, But well everyone has their own
opinion and you know, you know, only a working left thing. And that's kind of what I've learned to When I took this book out, I thought, the people that are gonna be respective to it will be, and the ones that aren't just aren't. And maybe they're not ready for it, or maybe they won't let it be ready for it. But the truth speakers, you know, are out there wanting that information. They want to be a thought that they want to read, they want to know what everybody else
is experiencing. So yeah, it's thought as well, Yeah, here we go. And I think you know that you know what you're saying. I personally feel I, you know, this feels this stuff is enigmatic. And even though I've been in it for a long time and I've talked to all a lot of researchers and done a lot of reading, you know, it's
hard for me to put my finger on anything as well. And I've heard that from a lot of the people who were in it from the beginning, even the majority of their lives, and I think that I do kind of get the feeling that maybe that is just it, that it's such it's an extremely slow process of getting us open to the idea that they that there's something possibly out there, and maybe you know that just very extremely slowly and in
the least traumatic way, we've become exposed to this idea until finally it's a given and then uh, it's it's less traumatic when we find out, you know, officially, that that something's going on. So that's aw right, I mean, that's that's my best guess, right, right. You want to you want to, you know, go schlow at it and you don't
want it to just stitch in the face all of a sudden. Yeah and yeah, then people will be more willing to really accept these new ideas and the possibilities of things, you know, and and uh, the way things really are, I'll do with as large as the universities. Really I I don't believe that we can be the old life, you know, I just don't believe that. And where they are and what they're doing, I don't know already either. But maybe somebody will have even a more impressive fighting uh
in the future. And like I said, you know, the people that I'm gathering around this area that are coming for the things that they saw. Uh, there's been plenty of people. When my husband goes, uh running around doing his odd job, he takes some of my books along and talks to people and they come forward, and they really do. And it's unbelievable. People that's that's see things and of all images and they're coming forward.
And he'll come home every once in a while with the story from his personal stories and hats and what faith saw a unity, you know, and I think you never even really understands out there that that makes people will see out there right. You know, I just may have a reason to write another book. If enough people Compollard and I wanted to talk about it, I'd be willing to write about it. Yeah, that's great. Now. One thing I do want to know is do you definitely put yourself out on a
limb by writing this book? You know, you weren't sure how your neighbors or the community were going to take it. And it's sort of a risk, and it's kind of a big risk for someone. Why did you think it was important? Why did you think that you had to do this. I don't know, it's kind of strange. Well, they said, I just started writing down on my notebook, you know, by hand, handwritten, and I told my god, you know what, I'm going to write
a book and I'm going to put leading on. I said, this is very strange happening we've seen, and I need to get this out there. You know, something needs to be done to open people's eyes that to really watch the skuy themselves. And yeah, I take a risk, you know, But like I said, I'm just an average middle class to the thing. And I guess if people want to think I'm kooky. Oh wow,
I'm just another middle classes and that's a kook. I mean, you know, I don't hold any high office anywhere, and I'm not going to get fired from from my opinion job because my boss thinks I've lost it, so I thought I'm gonna do it. I'm just gonna do it. So well, I think you're kookie in a cool way. Well, j yeah, and you know, I'm It's funny that you say I don't know because I feel that way too. Actually, which is funny that you say that because
I often contemplate why do I do this? Why is this so important for me? And it's this compulsion that I can't necessarily explain, and one day maybe I will. But so it's interesting to Phil to hear you say I don't know, because it's definitely a big step. Yeah, it is. Yes, Well, you know what, I want to thank you for being on the show. We're pretty much out of time, and I want to thank you for writing your book. Oh you know what, one more question?
Has anybody gotten photographs or video? I know people have been listening the whole time thinking why is he asking this question? Has anybody got photos or video of these lights. We tried to take a step shots. It's a step developed. You can't get a good photo of the glow the dark. Could party can gold. That didn't work, So I was just left with making hands on healthcasions. Okay, well yeah, it's a shame. But boy, the ones that did get the photos and videos, I gotta hand
it to him. Yeah, well, good ones are hard to come by. And I know what you're saying. Taking pictures or video of lights in the night sky is very difficult. It's a hard thing to do, right, Great, other guys I probably would have had them, you know, but we tried and it wasn't working. So I thought, well, we're just gonna take it in active and keep an eye on it and people can
identify these things. Great. Well, you know what, I'll put the link to the book in the blog talk radio description and we'll put it on the website. And then just so people know, it's called the Mysterious Lindsey Light and you can go search for it on Amazon. Is there another good place that they should go look for you? Well, well, Bondy Noble has it online. I didn't even reach as far as Dutopia maps in going
Australia. Interesting. Great, but you know, if anybody really wants to order the books, they could even send me an email and might be willing to send them on to find a copy. Also, and for the people in this area, just stop on down by the Lindsay Barn girl, I mean you will have a copy so you don't know, yeah, or head out to the Lindsaybarn grill. Maybe for people who want to go do some
skywatching themselves. Yeah, absolutely absolutely. Just so people know what's b underscore O c k e r L dot Mysterious Lindsay Lights and Lindsay spelt l I n D s e y at RocketMail dot com. So b underscore score. Oh curl oak curl that Mysterious Lindsay Lights at RocketMail dot com where they can get a hold of you. And they can also well look at Mysterious Lindsay Lights on Facebook. It looks like Facebook. Yes, yes, I'm on
Facebook, and or look up these serious aline yes. Great. So if you're in the Wisconsin area and you're having sightings similar, get a hold of Betty and let her know for part two of the Mysterious Lindsay Lights. Thank you so much for being on the show. Thank you, Thank you Betty so much for being on the show. It was great to have her on.
And it's cool to talk to someone new and someone fresh and get a fresh perspective and you know, someone kind of from the general public who and and hear what she has to say about, you know, the mystery she witnessed and her thought process as to how she dealt with that, And it's so cool that she documented everything and wrote a book. So go check out her book, or like she said, if you're at the Lindsey Bar and grill, I know you can check her out and her buddies and hang out
with them and talk some UFOs. That is it for the show, and next week is going to be a lot of fun. We aren't going to take a break just because it's Turkey Day. Later in the week, we're gonna be back and we're gonna be full. And actually, BLOGTOWK Radio was ran by all vegetarian, so we will not be sacrificing a turkey to the Thanksgiving gods. We will be we'll have a no harm Turkey day. But anyway, I hope you enjoy your meals. We're going to and when you
come back. We're gonna have Nick Redburn next week, so that'll be a lot of fun. He's written several books on the UFO subject, about men in black and Roswell and all kinds of stuff, and his latest book is about contact ease, and we've talked about the contact ease of the fifties before, so it's a subject I love to talk about. I think it's so interesting and it's kind of a forgotten period of uphology, and so it's gonna be a lot of fun to talk about how he got into this field and
then also talk about the contactes of the fifties. So don't miss the show next week. Thank you all so much for listening, and don't forget to visit Open Minds dot tv for more UFO news. Talk to you next week, people,