This is a commercial, free archive edition of our live radio show that airs every Friday at noon, Arizona time on openminds dot TV. Welcome to Open Minds Radio with your host Alejandro Rojas, former Director of Public Education and official spokesperson for the Mutual UFO Network. Alejandro has been a UFO paranormal researcher and journalist for nearly a decade and has logged hours in the field investigating the paranormal
up close and personal. And now Open Minds Radio presents evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Rojas. Hello, and welcome to Open Minds Radio. This is Alejandro Rojas and we have another amazing show today. Our guest is Barbara Lamb. She's an abduction researcher. I'm really excited about this because i haven't had her on the show before and I'm a big fan of her work. She's a licensed mayor and family therapists
who's facilitated thousands of regressions. She's taken the abduction experiences reported to her seriously and has been a help to hundreds of people who have been traumatized or just confused by these experiences. So she's going to share with us her perspectives and experience on this very controversial and strange occurrence people claiming to be abducted by aliens? Is it really happening, Well, we're here, we'll hear why this
therapist believes that it is happening. If you want to read more about her, you can go to Barbara Lamb and her name is spelled b R B A R A la mb MFT dot com MFT standing for Marriage and Family Therapists. However, before we get to Barbara, we're going to cover our UFO news headlines from conventional media around the world. If you go to Openminds dot tv, we update it on a regular basis. We keep a close eye on the news going on around the world about UFOs, and believe it or
not, there is news and this is convention. This is Fox News, MSNBC, all the big guys. They're talking about UFOs and you can go see the evidence right there on the website. We've got our correspondent, Jason McClellan. Jason, what was the UFO news for the week? Thanks Alejandro. In the news this week, Canadian Defense Minister Peter McKay still does not know what the mysterious object over Newfoundland was last week, but he announced that
the federal government will be stepping in to take action. McKay was quoted as saying, we will provide money to build a landing strip for UFOs. He quickly made it clear that he was only joking and that he feels there's no need to worry about the unidentified flying object. But there is still no official explanation for the object. Yep, very strange. I think there's a pick up on one of these news stories too of this thing. But yep,
weird stuff flying around up there. People. There was one Bjorn Borg, a sixty three year old Finnish UFO researcher, who actually claimed that this type of sighting happens every single year and it's simply weather hitting the sunlight of the vapor trail of airlines. But if that's the case, you would think the Prime Minister and all these other people would say that that it happens all the
time. And looking at the picture doesn't really look like where an airliner would be flying, and right, yeah, and this picture it definitely looks like a solid object. And the concern was that actually it's a missile because it looks like a missile. But then who would have launched a missile from that area? So there was a lot of talking back and forth between governments with France and different countries about well, did you fire a missile? No,
okay, so we didn't do it. Did you do it? So another mystery. Also in the news, President Obama on Monday announced the cancelation of NASA's Constellation program. This is the program that was designed to take humans back to the Moon. The program, initiated by former President George W. Bush, was too costly, behind schedule, and lacking an innovation. According to President Obama, NASA has already spent nine billion dollars on the Constellation program.
The program's resource train on other US Space Agency activities led to its axing, and the President plans to turn to private companies to help initiate a new era
of launching humans into space. In his budget announcement, President Obama said he plans to allocate six billion dollars to NASA for research to be done here on Earth, while other funds are plans to be used to incentivize private companies to research and develop new types of propulsion systems, spacecraft and new exploration strategies.
There have already been concerns voice about safety of space vehicles manufactured by private companies, but this new program NASA would set and oversee all standards, especially stacy standards. Believe it or not, there are a lot of people in the space industry, aerospace industry involved with UFOs, and I have some friends in the industry and they were saying, even a friend of mine who is a contractor at NASA, they were literally going and pulling up Apollo rockets to figure
out how they did it in the past. I mean, they were going way back into old technology for this project to go back to the Moon. So on the one hand, it does make sense that NASA should focus on new technologies instead of going back to these very old technologies. And I know private industry is going to be real excited because one of the companies that we've talked about, Bigelow Aerospace, who helped fund some UFO research and may continue
to do that, but has funded paranormal research throughout the years. They'll be the ones taking the lead on space technologies. Interesting right, Hopefully they'll be more open to sharing what they find. I hope. So. In other space news, the Hubble telescope discovered an X shaped object this week, traveling at a speed of eleven thousand miles an hour. NASA says it's probably a comet, but it behaves unlike any comment seene before. It has an X
shape debris pattern, and it's four hundred and sixty foot wide. Nucleus is outside the dust halo and separated from the trail. NASA speculates that this object is a commet resulting from the collision of two asteroids, but they really aren't sure. Yeah, another one. You know, I think it does look like it's probably like some sort of comment or, but it demonstrates that there
are still a lot of mysteries out there, a lot of unknowns. You know, a lot of people think scientists have it all figured out, but we don't really have a whole lot figured out, you know, just like everything, the more answers we get, the more questions we find, which is why you know, it's great to have more fun and going to NASA to do more research here because there's still so much more we don't understand before
we're even going into space and looking at other planets and other galaxies. Right, Well, that is it for the news. There are so many more news stories we don't have time to cover them right now, but all of these stories and more are on our website at Openminds dot Tv. From the Open Minds News Desk, I'm Jason McClellan back to you, Alejandro. All right, Thank you, Jason. That's been a lot of help having someone
help me with the news as we go through it. And you know, you can read these, like I said, at Openminds dot tv, and you can read some of our news stories. So we have exclusive news that we post. One of our new sections of our website is called Unacknowledged Aviation, and we have a guy, Michael Stratt, who's a narrow space historian and he's been looking into a lot of that what we call black budgets, and these are also called unacknowledged because these are aircraft that are being worked on
but they're so top secret that we don't know about it. Some of these are programs that go all the way back to the sixties. But we have a great story on the Brilliant Buzzard and this was sort of a two stage aircraft where it's like an SR seventy one, and it has a smaller plane behind it that launches off of the back of this plane. Some really cool stuff and some great graphics of these things that you can see on the website.
Another story you might have seen personally up on the news is this Irish UFO where you see this night vision triangular shape. It actually wasn't taken in Ireland. It was in Fresno, California, in December of two thousand and eight. Really cool video. And we have a story clearing up all of these mistakes that the popular media has been making, and some links to some stories from Fox and MSNBC News where they've been covering this story, so you
can go see those on the front page of Openminds dot tv. However, with our guests coming up here in a few minutes, Barbara Lamb, she's been investigating abductions for a long time. She has been talking to and regressing a lot of people. In fact, she's send lectures on the different types of entities that these people are reporting. So we'll talk about that and while aus also ask her how she came to know about all of this and what
made her believe that these people were telling the truth. So that is all right. After the break, we'll be right back talking about abductions with Barbara Lamb. You're listening to Open Minds Radio on KFNX eleven hundred. All right, we are back. You're listening to Open Minds Radio and I'm your host, Alejandro Rojas. I wanted to tell you at Openminds dot tv, we also have a great video producer and he puts together news stories like you would
see on CNN or something. They're very well done. You can see those on the front page. Just click those and a lot of these news stories we talk about, you know, we package these and put them together ourselves with some great graphics and more detail than you're gonna get anywhere else. So check out those videos at Openminds dot tv. And I believe we have our guests on the line. Barbara Lamb, are you there? I am, yeah, it's happy to be here. Oh right, I'm very happy to
have you. I really appreciate the therapists in this field because there are a lot of researchers and unfortunately sometimes the people who have abduction experiences are kind of treated like guinea pigs as opposed to you know, humans and being helped, so I appreciate that people like you are out there to help them. Well, thank you. I think it's very important that some of us are right. So when did this all start for you? When did you first come
to know of about the abduction phenomenon and take it seriously? Well. I was licensed as a psychotherapist in nineteen seventy six, and I still do regular
psychotherapy work with many people. But in the mid nineteen eighties I began to be trained by the Association for Past Life Research and Therapies, and I was trained in regression therapy and one of the trainers I took five years of training actually, and one of the trainers finally said, those of you who are doing regression therapy with people might find that sometimes someone will come to you who's been very mystified, even traumatized in some cases by being visited by unusual beings
who don't seem to be from this planet, and sometimes they're taken away for a while, and you know, they really want to know what happened, and they're also afraid to know what happened. Was that first time I had heard about that the phenomena, Yes it was, and that was nineteen eighty eight, and I had never been a fan of UFOs. I've ever followed that interest whatsoever, So I was really shocked when this trainer said that. And then it was about three years later, after trying to find out if
I thought that UFOs really do come here and do they have occupants. So by nineteen ninety one, my first client came who had been very mystified and traumatized by experiences with these extraterrestrial beings. And since then, Alejandro, there have been almost seven hundred more Wow, individuals who've come for regression work for that type of experience. And it's amazing because some of them have lived close enough to me I'm in southern California and close enough to me to come for
quite a number of regressions. Some have come twenty times, or thirty times, or forty times, or even fifty different regressions. So it's approximately two thousand regressions I've done by now, two people's extraterrestrial encounters. Now, when you first heard about this in nineteen eighty eight from your trainer, what did you think about it? Did you think it sounded kind of strange that people would report this? Well? I did. I thought it was very odd.
In fact, I was just stunned because I had never heard of it before. And as I said, I never paid attention to UFOs. I just thought that was all science fiction, right, and so this really shocked me. But even more than that, something else happened right at that instant, which was that I heard a big voice inside my own head saying, very vehemently, pay attention to this, Barbara, you will be doing this.
So between hearing this new thought about people being taken away by other beings, and then this voice wherever that came from, I don't know, saying, you know, as if pointing a finger at me, saying, pay attention to this. You will be doing this work. So, you know, I was really stunned. I was so stunned that, even though we had five more days of that particular training, I never even asked the trainer
anything more about it. You know, sometimes you can hear something new and you have that experience of cognitive dissonance, which means you just can't put it together with oh, right, already known, it's new, it's bizarre. You just don't know how to handle it. So I think that must have
been the state that I was in. But fortunately by spring of nineteen ninety one, I'd become a little bit more acquainted with this work through Bud Hopkins and David Jacobs, and so I knew that there were a couple of people, at least, you know, who were working in this way, and so I kind of got acclimated to the thought that maybe this would come to
me someday. And sure enough it did. And the first treatment of that person, a young woman, seemed to be so successful for her that she went from being highly traumatized and two after six sessions six regressions with extraterrestrial encounters totally the feature of those sessions. She felt privileged and honored to be chosen by them, even though they had bizarre things like, you know, putting an implant behind one ear, and they also incidentally cured an ear infection she
had. Interesting So when she first came to you, did she believe that it was extraterrestrial in nature? I don't think she had that word for it. But she had awakened a number of nights and found that there were these
strange little beings in her room. She also was an artist, and she would try to paint all night, try to stay up all night so that she wouldn't be asleep, and then these things might happen, and when she'd wake up, I mean, she eventually had to go to sleep, you know, when it was becoming daylight, and then she'd look at the painting that she had done, you know, a couple of hours earlier, and usually she'd see that in the painting was one of these little beings who had
visited her. Don't know whether the being painted himself in there, you know, or whether she had sort of unconsciously painted the being because it was her subconscious mind was trying to work this through, and maybe that was one way of sort of trying to release it or at least express what she was seeing sometimes in the middle of the night, right. But I don't think that she had the framework to think of them as aliens or extraterrestrials. They were
just very strange and mystifying. So what were your thoughts. Did you believe these to be a physical type of experience she was having, or perhaps something that was manifesting in her dreams. Well, that's such an important question.
I think that she was really having physical experiences. And I must say that sometimes people seemed to be taken by these beings the astral farm in other words, their body stays where the experience began, and then the astral part, the sort of the soul conscious part of the person we all have, this part is taken for these experiences, but she has many, many other people
who experience this. She had a number of markings on her body that she never had when she went to bed at night, and she'd have some of the typical clues of having et abductions, and that is she'd have little scoop shaped marks taken out of somewhere on her body, or she'd have odd little bruises that looked like the tips of finger bruises. Or she'd have little triangular bruises, particularly around the navel. Or she'd have little pinprick marks, and
they usually followed a pattern. They'd be like a cur goal, perfectly spaced little pin prick marks. Did she make a straight line of pin prick marks? Yeah? Incredible. Now did she have these looked at by a physician, Yes, she did. Her mother was concerned, and her mother would take her to the doctor sometimes and he'd say, well, I don't know,
but they don't look dangerous, so let's not worry about it. But of course most doctors you say, are not aware of this particularly going on, so they wouldn't necessarily see a clue like that and think, oh, it must be extraterrestrial encounter. Yeah, that's something I've found that that you know, I've now that I've been in this field. I used to be skeptical, but then I had these people coming to me who claimed that they
were having these abduction experiences and they had these marks on them. And people would say, well, if they have these marks, can't a doctor look at him? And doctors do look at him, But people don't realize that doctors see a lot of stuff that they can't necessarily explain, or they don't don't know what the origins were, and it doesn't necessarily going to you know, set off a huge red flag in their mind. They're just going to see if it's harmful or not and let the patient go on their way.
Well, that's right, And I mean if they can't understand something, if they just don't know about that, of course there's not very much they can say. Now. Another example of this, of what you're talking about is that sometimes a teenage girl or a woman will notice that she's pregnant, and in many cases she'll think, well, how could I possibly be pregnant? I mean, I haven't been with a male, or I haven't been with
a male for quite a long time, how could I be pregnant? And or sometimes she has been with a male, you know, but she's also had a reproductive process done by some of these extraterrestrial beings. So typically she'll go to the doctor and say, oh, I've missed the period or two and I feel the symptoms of being pregnant, and the doctor will affirm that, say yes, if you are give the projected to do right and all that. Well, then about actually, let's talk more about that after the
break. I said, great, because I'm glad that you brought up the subject, not that that's a great thing to happen to people. But we'll talk more about abductions, the nature of them, pregnancies and abductions. Right when we come back from our break with Barbara Lamb, you're listening to Open Minds Radio and Camp at X eleven hundred. All right, we are back. You're listening to Open Minds Radio. I'm your host, Alejandro Rojas.
We're talking about alien abductions with therapists of Barbara Lamb Lamb. A couple of points I want to make real quick is that you can call in at six oh two two seven seven five three six nine if you want to ask Barbara or I any questions. The toll free number is one eight sixty six five three six eleven hundred. So give us a call, ask your question some
really interesting stuff. And remember at Openminds dot TV, we do put up the radio archives on the evening of the show, so we'll have that up in a few hours so you can listen to the show again because I know many people say they'll listen again to get details of some interesting stuff like this. Now we're going to talk about pregnancies in relation to alien abduction, which
is kind of a scary and interesting area in this field. But to start off with Barbara, I wanted to ask about you know, in Harvard there were two people who have looked into this stuff, one John Mack, who unfortunately has passed away, and he's was an extraordinary researcher and I loved his stuff. He talked a lot about like you had talked about about the astral
side of this. But there's also Susan Clancy, who's kind of more along the lines where she believes a lot of this is due to sleep paralysis. However, have you had people come to you, have had conscious memories? Yes, yes I have. First of all, I want to commend the work of doctor John Mack and you and I were colleagues and good friends. As it turned out. I escorted him around crop circles for ten days in England, just a couple of months before he was killed. So anyway,
we had amazing discussions as you can imagine. Oh, I would have loved to have met him. I never got to him. He was an excellent, wonderful person and I have him in totally high esteem. Anyway. Yes, he was a very compassionate therapist, as I believe I am as well, and he could stretch his own paradigms, his own understanding of reality enough to encompass that there could be total truth of what his patients were saying about
the extraterrestrial abductions. Susan Clancy, on the other hand, I think, from having heard her in a couple of other interviews in addition to this particular subject, I think it's more difficult for her to stretch her frame of thinking about reality and wants to prove that some of these very anomalous, unusual things are just you know, something that are on the physical level, or the mind level, the brain level, the body functioning level, and can be
explained in conventional human terms. Right, So they're very, very different in that regard. But a lot of people, she claims that, you know, a lot of this is sleep paralysis, and it may be you know, I've experienced slee paralysis. I guess I can sure see how people would would think that perhaps they were having some sort of paranormal experience there. But I've also talked to a lot of people who remember much of their encounters with
these little beings. Well, some of them do, yes, And typically a person will remember, oh, just the first maybe half minute or a minute or so of these beings approaching them at the beginning of an experience, or maybe they'll remember several moments when they're returned at the end of the experience. And sometimes people will think that this must have been a dream, what they've awakened remembering very vividly because they were just asleep, so they assume it
was a dream. But if we do a hypnotic regression to go back to that material that they remember from the dream. It so far, all the time, every time has shown to be a whole experience, not a dream, but an experience that they really relive in regression, moment by moment by moment through the whole encounter, and then they conclude afterwards, Wow, that
wasn't a dream. That was real. And sometimes people will This is rare in my experience, but some people will remember, oh, maybe two thirds of an encounter consciously if they think about it when they wake up, if
the experiences happen when they're in bed at night, for instance. And the co author of my book Alien Experiences by Barbara Lamb and Nadine Lalich, she was one of these people who remembered a tremendous amount Like she'd wake up sitting up in bed, and she had always a notebook and a pen and a
light ride by her, and she'd immediately write down what she remembers. And we did regressions on six of those experiences that she remembered a remarkable amount of and it was really true what happened as it came out in the regression, except that in the regression there was much more detail than what she could consciously remember right now. Is there kind of a typical experience, something that is
common to these experiences? Maybe you can walk us through kind of how this happens for most Okay, sure, I'd be happy to And I'd like to give two scenarios, and definitely not leave out the second one because I think
it's so important the first. The typical scenario that I think we tend to hear about, in which the media tends to promote if they're talking about this subject, is that a person is either sleep in bed at night and they'll wake up and they'll wear that there's a big bright light coming in through the window, sometimes filling up the room, and they know there's nothing out there outside of where they're living that could be that high and shining such a bright
light in Sometimes that bright light will turn into little sparkles of light, or sometimes into a sphere of light, and then out of that sphere, somehow we don't know how, will come one or two or three beings, or sometimes they'll just wake up and the beings will already be there, usually three, sometimes one standing right by the side of the bed or at the foot of the bed, and usually at that point the person can't move, and
they also can't call out. They can't call for help, for instance, or yell at them or ask them questions out loud, and if there's a sleeping companion in the room, that person typically is very switched off, in other words, made to be out of consciousness, not harmed, but just
as if in a very very very deep sleep. And then typically the beings will levitate the person up out of the bed and float the person through the wall or the ceiling, or out even through a closed window or through a door, or they might leave the person in a sort of upright floating position out of the bedroom door, through the hallway, and maybe out one of
the doors of the house. And then typically they're taken up the beings and the person in a beam of light into what certainly seems to be a flying craft. Sometimes a person will actually see the crafts are being taken to, and often they don't because they're in such bright light. As they're going toward the craft, they find themselves inside this craft, which usually seems to be round shaped, and very often they're taken into a brightly lit room, put
on a medical table, and different examinations are happening. Maybe some tissue and fluid samples are taken, Perhaps an implant is being put in to them, a little tiny object which we know exist, and you can see them on X rays, and they can also be surgically removed. For instance, from doctor Roger Lear in southern California, he's removed quite a number now of these
mysterious little implants that have been put into people who experience these encounters. And then what I want to make a point of is that very often after the physical examination, which might involve a reproductive procedure as well, sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. But after that, very often the person is taken into another room by other types of extraterrestrial beings. And then very often they're educated, even from very early childhood, they're taught psychic skills. They're taught
to move things with their minds. Sometimes they're taught to do healing procedures so that they can heal people back on Earth. Even little children sometimes are wonderful healers, and they've learned that techniques from the extraterrestrials on the crafts during their experiences. Now, this scenario that you just talked about about how many of those you know, seven hundred different people you've talked to, what percentage did
their experience fit that scenario. Oh, that's very difficult to say, because I can well, I would say all of the people who've been able to have more than one regression with me, if they've had a few, for instance, or even many, sooner or later, that part of the material comes up in the regression from their subconscious minds about these extremely positive experiences they've
been having. So the second part of this that I want to emphasize, because people I think don't usually hear about this in the media, is that many, many people who experience these encounters have encounters with very loving. In fact, they describe them as unconditionally loving, great beings. You know what, We've got to go to break right now. But we'll talk more about
that in just a minute. We're talking to Barbara Lamb about alien abductions and they're not also bad, she's telling us, So we'll hear more about that. You're listening to Open Minds Radio on cap All right, we're back. You're listening to Open Minds Radio, and I'm your host, Saljantro Rojas. We have Barbara Lamon. She's a marriage and family therapist who has researched abductions alien abductions for years, and we were just talking about how they're not also
bad. However, I wanted to let people know the phone lines are open. You can call six oh two two seven seven KFNX, which is five three six' nine to ask you a question, or is a toll free one eight sixty six five three six eleven hundred And actually, Barbara, we've got a gentleman Tom from Phoenix on the line right now, so let's take his question real quick. Hi are you there? Tom? I am Hi,
com Hi Barbara. Hey. I was curious in all these people that you do regressions on, do you ever see similar personality patterns in them before you do the regression. Well, that's a great question. I think basically the people who are having these experiences are very normal people. I'd like to state that first. First off, normal people to whom unusual things are happening. I experience that they're intelligent, they're usually physically healthy. We could call
them good stock in the sense they're good representatives of human beings. And also these extraterrestrial beings seem to be following certainly certain family lines. They're interested in family genetics one generation to another. But I do not think that these are abnormal people or crazy or have personality disorders. I think they're mentally healthy.
Although obviously because of these experiences, they could be very stressed, they could be mystified, and therefore, you know, they might have stress disorders. They might be anxious, particularly about going to sleep at night or driving alone. But otherwise I think that they're you know, perfectly normal, intelligent people. There was a great question by Tom and what about the education levels?
Does it span what would you say would be the thing as well? It seems to span all education levels and all races, all cultures, people in all countries. This is definitely a worldwide phenomenon, and of course we hear more about it here in the United States, but it does happen everywhere, and different cultures feel different ways about it. For instance, I've heard many times that people in Europe who have these kinds of experiences don't make any big
deal about it at all. They just think, oh, yeah, that's okay, and how interesting are wonderful? Have another experience tonight, you know, without the fear and the trauma, which I think is wonderful. And people in Scandinavia they meet with some very interesting tall bluish colored skinned people and some tall yellow skinned people. Well they call them people, but they're not really from the Earth. And of course, you know, anybody who experiences
at all, they might have encounters with beings that look extremely human. They're not all extremely different looking than we are, and those seem to come from various other planets. But whatever the beings look like, and there is a tremendous variety of beings by the way, that come and interact with people, but they all seem to have their own agenda. So it sometimes both said,
well what are the ets like? And I have to say, well, it depends on which ets you're talking about, And because some of them do such positive things with people and heal them and save their lives, and I mentioned before they teach people healing skills, but they really can help people out in many many ways, and they can give them inspirations, and especially these loving beings who very often tend to look a little bit more ifthereal than
we do. In other words, they don't look quite as dense and physical as we look, but they're so knowing. They communicate telepathically. And by the way, I think that a lot of our genius people here on earth who are inventing wonderful things are actually getting information being inspired by some of these non human beings. Well, and we look more into motive, what do you feel is that the overall motive or it sounds like you may think or
feel like there are several motives that play here. Oh, I think more than several. I think it depends on the beings. For instance, in all this regression work I've done now since nineteen ninety one, I'd say there probably are about forty at least forty or fifty different types of beings that have been described to me that people have had encounters with, and that's probably not
the extent of it, and they're probably even more so. It depends on which type of being you're talking about and what happens with them, And any one person who experiences this type of thing at all can have experiences with quite a number of totally different types of beings, even in one encounter, and then certainly from one encounter to another. So it's a huge mixture and it's very difficult to just generalize. Well, let's get into that pregnancy aspect which
you had talked about earlier. How that has happened and why you feel that is happening. Yes, well, this brings up the subject of the hybridization program, the reproductive program that some, not all, some of the beings seem to be very avidly engaged in. So what typically happens is that a woman will be encountered and made not conscious, and then they will remove eggs from her ovaries. Now, this could happen to a teenager as soon as
she's mature enough, or a woman of any age up until menopause. And although I have known of a few cases even after menopause where the continue to be taken and then the beings apparently mixed that material from the woman. I assume they do it on their craft. I don't know no when's actually seen that, but they mix it with their reprotective material and will create a little embryo half et and half human. Well why don't you feel that maybe happening?
Well, there are a number of reasons given by these beings, but I think I feel I need to explain. Once that material is combined, then they put it back into the woman again in another encounter, and let it just state there for oh, maybe another well month and a half, maybe two months. And the woman, of course, as I said earlier, goes to the doctor and she's declared to be pregnant. And then one day she wakes up and she doesn't feel pregnant anymore, but she doesn't remember
any miscarriage and she certainly didn't have an abortion. To go to the doctor and the doctor will say, well, that's interesting, you're not you're not pregnant. Yeah, that's amazing. Now we've only got a few minutes last, and we've got a couple of callers on the line, so let's talk to a line to Jorgey from the Phoenix area and see what his question is. Are you there, Yes, sir, okay, thanks for calling in. Did you have a question for Barbara? Yes, they do. Hello,
Hello, Any of these babies e were born? Yes? The baby seem to be born on the craft. They're put in after the gestation and then taken from the woman. They're put into. Of course, there tiny little embryo still, but they're put into a tank of fluid that's connected to some sort of monitoring control machine. And they're guarded over by the extraterrestrials until the baby is full term, and then they take the baby out love that tank of fluid and wrap it all up like we would with a baby here
on earth. And then very typically they will eventually take maybe after just a couple of months, for a few months, they'll they'll take that same mother birth's mother again to the craft and they will show her the baby and ask her to hold the baby. Incredible. There's just so much to this, and thank you for being on the show, Barbara, but we're out of time. You can see the link at Openminds dot tv, the radio tab, the link to Barbara's site. She's got a couple of books out.
Her website's Barbara lambmft dot com and there's just you can watch. You can at the Ufocongress dot com. You can actually buy some of the videos of Barbara's lectures in the past and to hear more about this fascinating subject. But thank you for being on the show, Barbara. Oh you're very welcome. Delighted. Next week we've got chet Zukowski, a paranormal investigator, and he's want to talk about some cattle mutilations that he investigated in Colorado the past year.
He worked with universities and authorities, police officers, so some incredible cases. So join us next week. Don't forget to check Openminds dot tv for more on this news for the archives, and have to advertise with the show. So thank you all for joining us, Thanks for the great questions from the callers. We'll talk to you next week where we're bringing the UFO subject into the life of day Ali. My guys, folks, bo