Hello and welcome to Open Mind UFO Radio. I am speaking with Jason burrito lover McClellan. How are you. Oh, now, I'm really hungry man. Oh yeah, you know I love burritos. Yeah, I don't know if we've talked about that before, but I think we have. We probably have. It's been a while though, but that you're a major burrito lover, and of course I am. I you know, not to be cliche being Mexican. I grew up on a micro and I love him. Yeah, I can't get enough. And uh yeah, you really ruined the show
for me now because I really all I can think about is burrito. Well, thanks for bringing that up. And by the way, I'm fantastic Allejundra, how are you good? Good? Well? And I'm thinking about Tomolling's because I'm making Tomaling's this year again getting to that season. Yeah, it's a holiday tradition in the Southwest. Mostly a lot of people don't know. A lot of the Mexican food that we know of in the United States is
actually Southwest food more so than like Mexican. But Tomali's being one of those and I used to when I was in Colorado. My sister's boyfriend would make them, but I haven't gone back there for Thanksgiving the last couple of years, so i've i you know, tried it myself last year and they turned out pretty good. So I've honed my skills and gotten better recipes. So this week tomorrow I will be rolling some tomalas for the twenty fourteen holiday season.
Well that also makes me hungry, and I I wish you luck with that. That's a fun process. It's gonna be delicious. So I have a Turkey Day coming up, so I should let people know. And this is kind of cool because it kind of fits with Thanksgiving. Is that Thanksgiving of course, was about, you know, the Native Americans and the colonists working together when at America was first starting. Our guest for today is already six Killer Clark, and we've had her on the show before speaking about her
book on Native American legends. It's called Encounters with the Star People Untold Stories of Americans. However, she's got a new book coming out called Sky People Untold Stories of Alien Encounters in Meso America. So this is more of like the Central America and Mexico area of the TMLLY Eating regions and their legends because she spent a lot of time out there, so this is really cool. Arty six Killer Clark for those of you who are not aware, she was
a professor emeritus at Montana State University and really interesting stuff. So this is going to be a lot of fun. And what's cool about this stuff is it's not really recorded. I mean a lot of this is local legend that is verbal, so really you have to go down there and meet these people in order to get these stories, which she has done. She's spent several years out there and gotten some really interest stuff. So a great fun interview for today, Perfecto yay. So that ought to be a lot of fun
and that'll be coming up in a few minutes. However, prior to that, Jason and I are going to speak of UFO news. Do do do so? UFO news of the Week? What's a favorite stories of yours? Oh? UFO news of the week. One of our favorite subjects to discuss, Alejandro. Yeah, I'm going to pick a story here that's one of the many UFO citing stories submitted to Move On and written up by mister Roger
Marsh, communications director of mofon. And you know I don't usually talk too much about triangle UFOs because there's so many conventional things that could explain many of what people report as triangle UFOs. But there's an interesting one from last week
that was observed in Alabama by a driver. He was driving down the highway and saw this triangle craft and at first he thought it was a small plane because just to where it appeared in the sky, just above the tree tops, and it was moving slowly, and so to this point in the sighting report, nothing out of the ordinary, nothing that would lead you to believe that this craft is bizarre in any way. He saw the object, he got a clearer view of it and saw that it was a triangle shaped object.
He saw the object hovering, and saw it turn over like completely flip over on the other side and hover, and he saw interesting series of lights and a sequence of blinking of the lights blinking on one side. He describes a blinking one set of lights towo auld blink one, two, three, four and then go dark, and then the other side would do the same
thing. So we had this interesting maneuverability of this craft that I haven't really heard in too many triangle UFO sidings before, and certainly not something that like a drone like a quad copter or something is capable of doing turning upside down really interesting behavior here. So what do you think, Calhandro, Yeah, that is weird. It's that story's really gotten popular. It's interesting how some of these sighting reports, even without pictures and photographs get really popular and a
lot of hits, a lot of yeah, but it is cool. And it seems like these triangular ones in particular, where once in a while you will hear of them kind of stopping and doing some sort of weird maneuver in the air. I haven't heard, I don't think of a total flip over like this, but I have heard at least several times that they will kind of turn on end where like the point is headed up and then kind of maneuver or fly away, which is kind of weird too. So yeah,
kind of very interesting. And of course triangle ar UFOs I think capture the imagination because they're so strange and there have been, you know, so many credible instances across the decades of sightings of these things, and because I don't typically talk about triangle UFOs that often, I do want to point out here that I personally get really frustrated by people in the UFO field and UFO enthusiasts and armchair researchers and I don't know the whole group of anything to do with
UFOs and people who have casually researched it and think they know a lot about what these UFOs are, especially the Triangle ones. Time and time again we hear people respond to us and say, oh, no, big deal, that's not aliens, that's the TR three B, And listen to people,
there isn't confirmation that that is even a craft. Yes, we've got lots and lots of hearsay, testimony and comments about secret black projects, But you know what if the TR three B actually does exist and it's this secret military craft or whatever. Number One, it hasn't been that secret because everybody seems to know about it. And number two, they seem to have been working
on it for I don't know how many years now. So either it's really crappy technology and they really need to test it out a lot, or this thing doesn't exist. But the thing is, it's speculated and people it's really I think throwing out a lot of UFO sidings when people just automatically say a triangle UFO, that's TR three B, that's military, let's throw it out. Who cares about that sighting? Yeah? Yeah, So I think it is deentrim detrimental when people just chalk it up to the TR three B,
when again, we don't know that that actually exists. Yeah, you're you're just getting us in trouble again, Jason. We always get ourselves in trouble with people because I agree wholeheartedly. I've said this before, and you know, it was confirmed when I spoke with David Marler, who wrote a book
on triangular UFOs and has done even more research into this. But being in this field the entire you know, for so long, I've also you know, looked at a lot of information and like you said, there is no evidence for a TR three B. There was a TR three A, which was like a precursor to a stealth bomber, but it was conventional. I think they just made a prototype or just designs. But there's been no evidence
whatsoever of a TR three B using any anti gravity. And like you said, everybody always throws that out, oh blue to two your three B. Well, we don't know that they exist. They most likely don't. Other researchers such as Bigelow, the National Investigative Institute of Discovery Sciences, that went, yeah, and they did a full on study as well, and they
found these the TR three B not to most likely exist. And what's interesting about their study if people get frustrated, oh they're debunking, well, they're saying that it's not human, that these triangle UFOs are real, but that they aren't you know. They Their conclusion was that they weren't made by you know, humans, They're not ours. Yeah, they're not ours. So, yeah, you're right. I mean triangular configurations of lights in the sky,
typically an airplane. I do like some of these night vision ones we've been getting lately that are really cool because they don't show any blinking navigational lights at all, and they kind of have some weird maneuvers at times. So those are kind of neat and when people see a solid object, of course that's cool. But like you said, a lot of these do turn out to be conventional airplanes. But some of them, yeah, are just unknowns. Yeah, absolutely so, and most likely probably none of them are TR
three b's. Sorry, guys, they're going to get really mad over that. But yeah, you know, I put my mindy on that to you, Alandro. There could be other things though. We do know there are you know, convent or there are triangular craft out there. There's been some photographed in the last year or so, the great photographs where they typically have
contrails. So there are triangular craft out there. There's there's craft that Air Force Space Command has worked on and has given a little bit info about. There's the Aurora, which there is more evidence for something like the Aurora existing and possibly using like these scramjet or ramjet technology. But so there are a triangular craft out there. Yeah, So there are lots of lots of possibilities
when it comes to possible identifications for these things. And that's why it frustrates me when people just write it off as I hear you, I hear you a brout. I'm sorry, sorry for the rant, but out there I did think this triangle UFO sighting report was interesting based on the unusual behavior. Yeah, we don't hear that often with the inverting pretty cool, and there are so many I mean, there's a lot other than a single light in a s guy doing some weird stuff, which is probably the most common.
You know, there's a lot of triangular UFO sightings. Yeah. Absolutely, Well, off my rant Alijndro, what story would you like to talk about? You know what, I don't know that I want to talk about any in depth, actually, so I think I'll just kind of but there are some to note, I think, so I just want to kind of very quickly go over a few I think that I think people should know about.
So I think it's an interesting one, this SatLight killer, that this Russian satellite out there is doing some weird maneuvers and they think it might be a satellite killer. I think it's interesting for our field because the whole story is about how you know, their secret military craft out there and it kind of possible space war brewing with Russia. At least they are prepared for it and they've made statements to that. So I thought that was an interesting story one
of them out there. Huh, Yeah, definitely. And I think that just goes to show that, for whatever reason, I think a lot of the mainstream public is under the illusion, I guess, or the perception that you know, NASA or any other body you know out there knows everything that's going on. And everything that's in the atmosphere, and we've seen that with all the fireballs and things coming in that we don't find out until last minute.
You know. I think people are blissfully ignorant and think that you know, the powers that know everything that's out there and can tell us if we're in danger at all. But I think there's a whole lot in space that nobody knows about. And we do have these craft and the Air Force has their secret space that they've been launching up at their secret payloads. And you know who's in space, not that many people on the grand scale of things.
So, you know, we talked about space law and we did an article about that in open Mind's magazine about just how it's the wild West and there are laws for space, but when it comes to enforcing, how's that going to happen? Because doing something up there, who's going to stop them? You know, this is the very beginning of things, and there are governments and military and crafts and things going on and being launched all the time,
and we really don't know what's up there and what they're doing. It's a wild West in space, Yes, that's right. Yeah, and nobody can enforce it, like you said, so they're doing what they want. But so yeah, these guys, if they've got their they're subtle, like killing craft up there, who knows what else it's killing, shooting down UFOs and everything else. Yeah, that's mean. Yeah. So this is kind
of funny too because we posted three stories last week on crowdfunding. So I guess tis the season for crowdfunding now that I think about it, though, right before the holidays might not be the best time in the crowdfund. You might want to do that, you know, after well months after. It's not like it's a gift you can buy someone crowdfunded for you. Oh, they understead I would have had a video game or something. But that's right.
Move on. It's got a Kickstarter out because they would like to revamp their website and database to make it more friendly for researchers and for people submitting. The website design is gorgeous. It's a great website, and they would like it to make it easier for people to report, and they're designed for that. If you look at it, it's very intuitive and it's almost like
a game. It's like paying a game. It's real fun for people to report and then for researchers, the database is more accessible, so you can do more queries against the database to be able to do things like track triangular UFOs better and stuff like that. So yeah, that's going to be huge. So I love their ambition here. I hope they get the funding they
need to execute this because they do have a wealth of information. I don't think people realize how much data comes into them, and right now, with the way things are set up for their reporting, it is limited in what data they can gather and what they can do with that. If they get this database and can put absolutely every single detail in there, that's going to make it so much, so much easier and more valuable for researchers looking into
this stuff. Yeah, they need a lot more money they want around. They want seventy eight thousand dollars to do this. They had I think a three week kickstarter, kind of a short one. There's only about a week to go and they have fourteen thousand, which is quite a bit, but of course they've got a little bit of ways to go to meet that goal. Hey yep, fingers crossed. Yeah. The second kickstarter, which I
think is so awesome personally. I know a lot of people are skeptical, and I can understand that for sure, But this is a group who we've had on the show several times, and I know there are a lot of people excited about this as well out there because I get a lot of feedback when we have the gentleman who is heading this up on the show. But this is the space warp technology. So we've had David Paris, the adjunct professor and Nebraska. He works at University of Nebraska as well as other schools.
Him as some graduate students and some engineers, some flight design engineers and such have gotten together and they believe that they've got an idea on how to make spacewarp technology. So they've tested this in the lab. Now they want to build a drone that's you know, like five feet wide or something that will actually demonstrate this technology. They want to get this thing off the ground so it flies around using spacewarp technology. So I think this is so cool
and interesting. They're only looking at well, they're looking at one hundred eighty thousand or something like that. They want to but you could go donate to them so they can do their best to get their project off the ground and I think this would be really cool. And I'm gonna say this on the
air. I am so disappointed right now with the Huffington Post. They did post Travis Walton blog I wrote today, but they they I don't think they've ever not posted one of my blogs, and they wouldn't post the blog on this spacewarp thing. They said it was too much of asking for money. I'm just writing about it. I just think it's really interesting and it's fun. It's a fun sign of the times that someone these these you know people
are out there crowdfunding for spacewarp. How cool is that? It's really cool? And we've talked about space warp technology, space war research a couple of times on the show before, and there's just it's kind of, I don't know, it seems unreal to talk about it in an actual, you know, realistic way, that it's so close that there are people doing this research. It's feasible they have plans for warp engines and this stuff is going to happen in our lifetimes. It's so exciting. Yeah. Yeah, So that's
a really cool one to be a part of. Really cool. So people can go check that out and a lot us crowdfunding opportunity out there is Actually, I would probably admit this one's probably the one that makes me the most excited, to be completely honest. I mean, I love this space warp thing, and hopefully it'll work. We'll see what happens with that. But when it comes to uphology, this is Robert Hastings, the author of UFOs
and Nukes Extraordinary Encounters at Nuclear Weapon Sites. He's one of the best researchers out there. He's gotten over one hundred and fifty interviews with military veterans who have worked at nuclear missile locations and who have witnessed UFO siting, some of which have had an effect on the weapons themselves. Usually it's taking them offline
and then getting them online. He believes this is a clear demonstration that they are interested, that somebody off world is interested in this technology and maybe sending us a sign to these toys are a little bit too big for us to play with right now. I think the evidence he's amassed is very notable and incredible. He is hesitant to work with other documentaries on television. In fact,
it's really funny. One of the TV shows that I don't know if it was Hanger One, which of course you were on, or another show. Contacted him and he forwarded me his response, which was like, you guys are just gonna screw it up and be in inaccurate and make up lies and I'll never give you anything, even though you'll probably take my work and screw it up anyway. And you know what, it's a harsh response,
but unfortunately he's right. I mean, most of these shows don't care about the facts, and of course someone like him, who is very meticulous, wants to have the facts represented accurately, and they should be represented accurately. And it is so disappointed that these TV shows don't seem to really care so much about the fact as you know, the showmanship, the sensationalism. So so he's doing a documentary all on his own with all of these incredible people.
He's got this short clip of it online that just alone has some great stories from some very credible witnesses. So I really hope that he gets some more funding. He was given one hundred thousand dollars grant, I guess, and he's gone through that. He's almost done. He just needs twenty five thousand dollars more, which sounds like a lot of money, but when it comes to crowdfunding, that's not really too bad. That's not too much,
So hopefully he can get that and finish up this documentary. Unfortunately, it won't get on television, so I don't know how wide spread it will be. But with any luck, we'll be able to show it at the UFO Congress, if not this year, next year, and we'll be able to all purchase it and use it for research and show our friends and family the amazing credible information there is out there for this field. Well, I do
hope. Yeah, like you said that, I don't know what the distribution is going to be like on but I hope it's easily accessible to the mainstream public because you know what he does, and coming from a military point of view, and with those military witnesses, military testimony and talking about something as big as nuclear weapons, that's something that you know, the general public's ears perk up and they listen and they say, wait a second, here's here
military personnel talking about UFOs and saying that UFOs, you know, interacted with our nuclear weapons. This is kind of crazy stuff, but it's less crazy because of the people that's coming from this is pretty pretty intense, So the general public I think when they hear that, that's some of some of the most compelling information for them to start looking into this field and taking it more seriously. Yeah. So I really really wish him the best and hope he
gets what he needs. And like you said, that it's made available so people can actually get to it. Yeah, yep, So good luck to him. And the last story I want to mention is a fun one, and I'm sure you're going to love to talk about this too, because you wrote the story and we love to kind of poke fun at our good buddy, Lese. Spiegel. Speaking of the Huffington Post, this video he did with his sweetest musician who's really famous there, I guess named Elliphant, which
is a weird name, but this video. She came into town and she was being interviewed by Rolling Stone and she said, I want to interview a UFO person and they said, well, could we videotape you this interview?
And she said sure, And so they reached out to the Huffington Post, who provided them with Lise Spiegel and they did this funny interview that they posted on Rolling Stone and it reminds you of Between Two Ferns is what this reminds me of if you've seen that the comedian Zach Gallafia and Nakis is that his name? How you say it? But that's what. But it feels like because it's so weird and awkward, just like of course that show Two Fernst is a parody, but this was real. So I know. I talked
with Lee that it was long. It was uncomfortable for him because she's just a really strange person and he did his best to answer her questions and be serious about things, and it just got so weird and awkward, but enough to me, I guess awkward is in So this is some genuine awkwardness that
is a lot of fun and just hilarious. Well you could tell that, you know, there was a lot that went on, and it's heavily edited, so yeah, you don't know everything that was said on either side, but it is pretty funny, and you're right, it does seem kind of kurt and awkward at times, where like she'll ask a question like do you
believe in aliens? And we will say yeah, and if you're really me, if I believe they've been here, I think they've been here a long time, and she like, you can tell she's into it, because she's very very passionate about this and very much an enthusiast in the subject. But her response is just cool, yeah, cool, just short cool and then
under the next next question. But yeah, the best part of that was when she said she wants to be the first person to have a baby with an alien And then I think that kind of surprised Lye and he said you better get in line, yeah, which is probably right because other people, you know would like to do that in this field. Well, I gave him a hard time because they said, I don't know if that that was Lee admitting that he also wants to have an baby. Yeah, no,
kidding exactly. It's very funny. And I know a lot of people, you know, think that's it's silly for us to point something like that out. They think that's detrimental to the field of UFOs, the serious research of UFOs. But look, this was on a means stream Platform's done by somebody who is very famous, has a huge following, somebody who is genuinely interested in this subject. The genuine believer wanted to talk with a legitimate, serious
UFO researcher, somebody who's knowledgeable in the field. They got least bigal. I think that's huge profits rolling Stone for doing that. And although it is playful, it's lighthearted. They do talk about serious things, and the mainstream public saw that. I think it is hugely beneficial. It's also fun for people like us. I had a good laugh with it. It was great.
And look, if something like that is going to be detrimental and you know, cause ufology to collapse, the euthology isn't very strong on its own, so exactly a lot of people. Yeah, and it's like, you know, the social aspects that the sociological aspects and how all of this plays out I think is important. You know. Oh and here again you have people that are into this and regardless of what you think of those people, which is kind of rude of a lot of people, to be honest.
I mean, these are people are genuinely into this stuff, and they have every right to be and they have every right to express it in whatever sense they want to. And I think, if anything, we should be happy that they're into it, rather than it would be worse if they're debunking it. You know, I think so or just dismissing it without any research.
So I appreciate people doing whatever they can. And in the future, if this is the more and more mainstream it gets, and let's say it's it's you know, taken for granted that yeah, of course you know we're being visited. Well then you know, we'll see more of this kind of stuff. So it's just what it is. And if anything, I think to me overall, it's a good thing because it means the society is moving towards accepting you know, all of the fun I'm gonna yeah, yeah, that's
right. So and let alone it happens to our good buddy Lee ha. All right, cool, Well that's about all the news I want to talk about. What do you think we covered a lot? Huh? Yeah, we sure did. Think we knocked it out. Yep. There's more on spacing out and Jason wasn't in it because you were moving into your new house. Yep. Still still moving into my now, but hopefully you'll be Uh are you going to be in the spacing out this week? I should be.
No, We're not doing a spacing out this week because oh I don't even know. Jason writes the scripts for those and he he's kind of the the uh founder, or what's a better word. I mean, spacing out was your brain child. That's a good way to you're the father of spacing out. It's your hybrid baby, spacing out. Yeah, it's kind of a hybrid. It's kind of your hybrid alien baby. That's right. Yeah. So okay, so spacing out this week, I can chill out.
I don't have to where you about what shirt I'm going to wear on Wednesday. That's right, don't stress, you know, take the holiday, relax. It's cool, all right, I'll worry more about my Tamali's Yes, that needs your full attention. Yeah, okay, great, Well let's go ahead and talk with Artie. I am very excited to have doctor Artie six Killer Clark on theline. Hello. Hello, how are you Alejandro? I
am doing good. How are you? I'm doing great? Well. It's really exciting to have you on the show again because you have a new book coming out. Yes, I'm very excited about it. Uh huh. And your previous book is Encounters with Star People Untold Stories of American Indians, and we had spoken together about that previously, and maybe you could tell us a little bit about your your new book. Well, my new book is entitled Scott People Untold Stories of Alien Encounters of My America. And it came about
when I was a teenager. I had a teacher had me a book entitled Incidents of Travel in Central America, Chiapis and the Yucatan, and it was a story of two nineteenth century explorers who had gone to Maso America because they
had heard rumors of these ancient cities that were built in the jungles. And after I read the book, and then she gave me the copy of Incidents of Travel in the Yucatan, which was their follow up book, I decided that one day I was going to follow in the footsteps of Stevens and Catherwood, but two explorers. So I was in two thousand and three three I
actually set out on the journey. It took me seven years to complete it because I would go down for a month or two weeks or something, and I actually visited every site that they had visited forty four They actually visited forty four. I ended up visiting eighty nine sites. Wow, and this has got to span a few countries, right, Oh, yes, it's belize Honduras, Guatemala, and Mexico, and it was just an amazing adventure.
But over the years since, I had decided that along the way I was going to see if I could make contact with indigenous people that lived there and go to you know, I had done a lot of research on the incredible legends that come out of that part of the world about Scott people and individuals that came from beams of light to their village down from the sky of That area is just rich in stories of interaction with Scott people, and so I
decided that not only I had done the research on the legends, but I wanted to follow up and see if there were any contemporary stories. So using interpreters, guides, drivers, I was able to come away with some amazing, amazing stories of contemporary interaction with with UFOs, with giants, with little people, with Scott people, and it was just it took me seven years to complete it, but it was it was an amazing adventure. Wow.
So when you first got into this those legends, were there are those legends in the history books or was this something that you had to hear firsthand? Some of the legends, you know, are fairly they are in books in Spanish, but many of them were legends I heard from people when I was
traveling there. I was in in Monte alban for example, which is the heart of this Appotec Indian country, and there were these three young men who approached me, and they were a part of a film crew, and they told me they identified themselves as being from the university, and they said they were doing a documentary on the the slash and burn that goes on in the jungles there by the native people where they cut the trees and they plant their
corn crops, and they felt that there was too much poosh being put into the atmosphere by this flash and burning process, and so they were doing a documentary film on it for their film class. And so they mistook me for a tourist and said, you know, we'd like to interview you and get
your opinions on this, on what's going on here. And you could look out if you're in Monte Auban, you're way up, you know, in the in the mountains, and Monte de Auban was built on the top of the mountain, so you're looking out over the jungles there and you can see all the different little fires coming up throughout the jungle and where people are burning to plant their crops, and I told him I really didn't want to be on their documentary. And my driver came and kind of rescued me and said,
you know that I told them what I was doing. And then they said, well, maybe we should follow you. Your story is for the more interesting than hours. We'll do a documentary on you. And then I invited him to join me for a cooke, and we sat down and they started telling me a story about a nearby village where a being appeared on a rock. It came down. He came down from the sky on a beam of light. He stood on this boulder, and after several hours he actually
became a part of the village. He taught the people how to do so many things. He took a Zapoteche woman for a wife, and he lived there for many years, and he ran the village. He was the ruler over the village. And then when he when his son, he had a son, and when his son married and became when his son became an adult and married, he went back to the same boulder. He stood on it, and his beam of light appeared and took him back to the sky,
and he was never seen again. And so they told me this story, and so of course, you know, I go in search of this village and in search of the ancient city that he was supposed to have built. And you would never even know that it existed unless somebody told you about it, because it's not a site that is well known for tourists. It's along the side of a highway. There are no parking lots or you know,
any of that. And but I went there and and you know, those are the kinds of things that happened to me along the way where I learned about a number of the ancient stories. Was this town then? Was it? Did there are towns still there or just ruins? No, there's a town still there, and the town is on one side. It's just a
village. It's not a town. You know. These are small villages of people, maybe twenty houses, you know, a village people, and then are out on the outside will be their fields where they go out and they
burn the jungle and they plant their crops. And a lot of times what you see in these small villages when you're traveling out there is you'll see the women walking with with a corn, you know, because they're going to most of these little villages will have places where they make tortillas and they have these machines, so the women will carry their corn in the morning, you know, to have their tortillas made, where a lot of them still make their
own tortillas. A lot of them go to these almost ancient looking machines that make these tortillas, and they'll have their their peppers and various things along the side of the highway drying in the sun. I mean, you're not going to oh yeah, not talking about tourist areas. You're talking about, you
know, very remote little villages that people don't go to. And those are the kind of places I wanted to search out as well as follow, you know, in the footsteps of Stephens and Catherwood, because Stephens and Catherwood when they went, you know, when they set sail from New York City, they landed in what was at that time called Belize City. Now Belieze City still exists, but at that time it was Honduras. It was British Honduras,
and there was a civil war going on. There was a there was not only a civil war, going on between the Spanish and the natives. There was a war going on between the British and the Spanish over control of British Honduras, and then it ended up that the English got a whole, got a section called what is today known as Belize, and the Spanish got the section that was known as Honduras, and the native people were just kind of left out, you know, yeah, unfortunately. Yeah, so yeah,
that little village. Did you ask them if the villagers knew of that story as well? Oh yes, oh yes, And they all told me, you know how they had the elders had had told them the wise men, they called them the wise men, many many years ago would see the craft come and it would it would come to that site and they would stay there for you know, several hours, and they would communicate with the wise men and and and so uh and then they would go back to the heavens
or back to the starters. So that you know, it was a it was a common occurrence and in their great grandfather's day for these things to happen, and so they passed that word along. Wow. Interesting, And what do they think of them now? I mean, do they now have more contemporary ideas about this legend and that maybe these were aliens or something. Well, they believe that they they look upon them as as as you know, as as scott people as that came to visit them and to teach them things.
Okay, I'm like, not not necessarily as ancestors. Now, the Zappa Tech, you know, they don't looks interesting about the Zapattech as they call themselves the rock people. They claim they came out of the rocks. But but you know, you go to other native groups in in Uh in that area and they call themselves the cloud people. They came out of the
clouds you have, which would indicate the sky. And so you have a you know a lot of differ for accounts, and you certainly have to be aware of what group you're talking to, you know, in order to make sure that you get your story straight. Yeah. Interesting, So did a lot of the villages have similar stories? A lot of villages, you know. One of the stories that I was told was in Belize. There was a story that was going around in Belize called the Stone Woman of Belize,
and legend goes back to the to the eighteen hundred twenty. Young man from one of the villages. One hunting, and he approached one of the ancient cities, and at the base of the castillo, which is the great pyramid. Beneath the base of the pyramid there was a cavern that went underneath it. And as he approached the caste so standing motionless before him was this beautiful
statuesque may a woman dressed in a long white dress. The story was that she had red glowing eyes, and according to the hunter, she sparkled in the rays of the sun. He was so awestruck by her appearance that he threw his gun aside, and he ran to the village. And after the telling the people in the village about this woman of stone, several villagers, including the local shaman, went to the site. When they arrived at the
large mound, they at the mouth of the cave. The stone woman had disappeared, but there have been repeated accounts that the stone woman reappeared over the last century. When I was there, there had been a recent account by local shaman that the stone woman was seen ascending into a large silver disk that hung over the ancient sight. Others who had been there said that they saw her climb the pyramid and disappear inside the walls of the pyramid, and Steevens
and Catherine, the explorers I was following, They never followed. They never went into this village. But I, you know, I've kind of set up my schedules so that I had the freedom if I heard a story, I went in search of that story. So I made that trip and went in search of the Shamans who said he saw the UFO, And I found
him, and he told me that the woman had such great power. His name was Albert Bitto, and he said that the woman had such great power that she transfixed the men that looked upon her, and that she made them believe that she disappeared, but that in fact, if you didn't look into her eyes, you saw that she was she was. She did not disappear. She was a skywoman. He said she was from the stars, and he saw her. He never looked into her eyes, he said. He
said she was magnificent. She glowed like the stars. He said she was so beautiful. He said, I saw her descend from the craft on a beam of light, and she stood at the entrance of the pyramid, and then she disappeared inside the cave. But when she emerged. He said, she climbed to the top of the castillo, and a beam of light came down and she entered the craft just as she emerged from it. Wow. And I asked him, I said, well, were you the only witness?
And he said, there were several others, but some of them said she disappeared inside the pyramid, he said. I did not see that, but I avoided her eyes, he said, and he said, if you looked at them, they she it gave her power over you. Wow. So, so, you know, those are the kind of stories that I was looking at, because this was an ancient legend, and here are still stories in those jungles and in those small villages of people who have you know,
who seem to substantiate what those old stories say. Some people told me she was the Virgin Mary. You know, it was really interesting to see the interpretation. Many times. I found that a lot of the interpretation of some of the things they saw often had to do with their strong belief in Catholicism. Mm hm. You know. And did some of these legends predate Catholicism coming to the area, Yes, yeah, they did. This one did not because this legend, they said, dated back what I had been
what I was told was it dated back to the eighteen hundreds. Interesting. So were there legends like this that you read in the Stevens and Catherwood. No, they were strictly you know, explorers in terms of geography and archaeology. In fact, Stevens is called the father of of of American archaeology.
Wow. The was an architect by trade, and you know, and he he was the one who drew all these fantastic painted, all those fantastic pictures of those ancient villages that today are considered, you know, still the best
depiction of those ancient cities of anybody who ever saw them. You know, and before the camera, before the advent of the camera, and H and I went to you know, they went to a lot of the big cities at the time they were there, you know, the time they traveled, you know, practically all of this area was jungle and they had to it was very difficult traveling for them where today, you know, there's more roads.
There were times I, you know, my guide had to had to go knock on doors and ask people if I could go on their land and see these places, as Stephens and Catherine had village had visited. Uh, there were times that people would actually take me themselves when they found out what I was doing. But I you know, many times we just knocked on doors and said, you know, do you know where this place is?
Or we believe this place is on your land because a lot, you know, the tourist areas that you know, like you know, cheats in It and polinqu and USCHML, those places you know, have been well developed. And of course Stevens and Catherwood went to all of those places, but those are the ones that tourists go to, you know. But they went to a lot of other places, and some of them literally have been destroyed.
One of the things that the Spanish did and many many of those sites is they would go in and they would destroy the pyramids, and then they would take the stones from the pyramids and the cities and build churches with them, right and or build churches. They would level them and build churches upon the foundation with the stones that had been used by the Maya. So you know,
you're dealing with that kind of thing as well. But it was an interesting journal journey and one that I will give the readers a totally different perspective on how our neighbors out of the border really look at, you know, UFOs and you know, and my interviews involved my youngest interview. He was he was twelve years old and one of the most amazing, amazing little boys. Miguel, he will always be in my heart. What did he share with you, Well, he sneaks me in to a site that had been
closed off by the Mexican government. Shortly before I arrived there, there had been a battle between the feed rallies and the village people, and six village men had been killed, and I don't know, I think fifteen twenty had been wounded. But they had captured like seventy five federal rallies and were all
holding them there, billy people. And so when I arrived in this village and I go to this site, and the reason they were fighting was because the local villagers wanted more control over the ancient city that was there, and the government was unwilling to give it to them. So when I went there, you know, the first thing that happened to me is they put a
chain across the road and demanded fifty paysos to let me pass. Well, it was a you know, it was a state highway, but we paid the fifty paysos, you know, you know, and and we went on and when we got there, there's a big sign, you know, no trust passing. And so we're getting ready to leave, and this little little boy shows up on this ancient bicycle and says, I can take you in there. And it said, but it says no trust passing. And he says, well, that does some skinny difference. I could take you in
there, and he does. He takes us into this site and takes us on a tour, and we climbed to the top of this pyramid and he he tells me, he says, if you would like to spend the night, you will see many strange things. And I said, well, and my driver is over there shaking his head. You know you are not going to spend the night here, because this is not a safe region to be in, you know, with a what's going on with the government and the
soldiers and the ceder rallies and all this and the villagers. But he told me that his grandfather once talked they have anoe and it was only only snote within that whole region of Mexico. And he told me about how the the when his grandfather was a boy, that they came to that village and they they the they saw them go dive into the ocean, dive into the next day. I was sorry, not the ocean, dive into the snow day
and go down. And his grandfather was convinced that they came there and these are men from the sky, came there and removed all these artifacts that were in the snow day. And for people who don't know, it's like a pit, right, and usually like access to a waterway or right. You know, the Yucatan is very dry, you know, it doesn't get it's
it's very arid. A lot of the Yucatan is very arid, and so they have but they have these underground water pits that open up and people get their water from there, and I mean they're just beautiful, do you know. And so his grandfather had told him these stories and he said that one time this archaeologist came and he said he drained this snow day with approval of the government, and they didn't find anything. And then they came men to
the village. They demanded that the villagers tell them, you know, if somebody had been looting things from this Sonote, and the villagers wouldn't cooperate. They wouldn't tell them anything about the men from the stars. He said, so, you know, and he said, if you will stay with me tonight, you will see the men from the stars because they come here. And every time he would say this, and he said, I said, well, I'll come back another time because my driver said it was just too
unsafe to be there. And he said, well, you won't come back. No one ever comes back here. Once they've been here, they'll never return. But one day I do plan to go back there. Yeah, yeah, I want to find Miguel. And because he was certainly somewhat I'll never forget. Yeah, what an interesting story. So he was, he was such an amazing little boy, you know. Yeah, So I was going to say that, just like those pyramids that were kind of taken down
and built into churches. I'm sure you probably ran across legends like that that were kind of the perspective of the old legend was changed to fit, uh, kind of the ideas of the church. Maybe you know, for instance, something that was seen early on and once the church comes in, it's translated as an angel or something I did encounter that m you know, you know, it's it was amazing sometimes that some of the some of the stories I would hear, they would say the priests had told them they were from
the devil. Do you remember some of these stories. Do you remember some of the older stories. Well, these weren't older stories, these were contemporary stories. They would see they would see the h you know, the space ships or entities, and the priests told them, you know, they were the devil. They were it was the devil at work, and so they were very frightened because of that. Uh So, you know, I found that very interesting because what you're having there is a mixture of religion with you
know, as an explanation of what they're seeing. And I didn't find that among American Indians, but I certainly found it among the Indians of Maso America. Now, did you ever talk to any priests that I did? And I wanted to tell you one of my drivers went to school. They grew up in the same village. He grew up in the same village with this priest. They were boys together in school and the priest actually told me that he went into the priesthood because of his experience. One night in his village,
and he told me that when he was a boy. He said that he woke one night and there were lights in the village and he had never seen lights in his village because there was no such thing as electricity or anything like that in his small village. And he said, even when I closed my eyes, I could still see the lights. And he said he tried to wake his brothers, who were in the same bedroom with him, but
he couldn't wake them. So he crawlsed out the window and he is immediately met by this alien and he asked them, are you from the stars? And the alien told him yes, and he said that that then uh. The alien put something up against his arm, and it's stune, and he said he asked him what he was doing to him, and he said nothing, is just so that I will always know where you are. And he said that he watched as all the people in his village were taken on board
this spacecraft. And he said he sat on his log and he watched all of this going on. And he said that the that the that the alien came to him and asked him, why are you sitting here and watching this? He says, because I want to remember everything that happens tonight. And the alien told him, you will not remember, and he said, but I will remember. And he said most people do not remember, and if they do, it doesn't do them any good to tell their story because no
one will believe them. And he said, So I decided that there's only one way I would know whether I was dreaming or not. And so he said. I picked up a rock that was between my feet, and when they left, I carried him back home. I crawled in the window and I placed it next to my sandals. And I got back in bed, and I figured, if next morning, if I get up, if the rock is beside my sandals, I wasn't dreaming. And if the rock was not there, then I was dreaming. And he said, when I got
up the next morning, the rock was there. Interesting. And he said, I think that night made me decide to be a priest. He said, this space man gave me such a feeling of trust, kindness, and love that I wanted to pass that message along to others. Oh wow. Interesting. So he didn't feel anything malicious was going on, even though these people were being taken up into a craft and then returned. Yes, they and so you know, Matteo was my driver. He took me to meet
him because, like I said, they were childhood friends together. And Father Filippe told me, you know, his story, and I don't doubt for one minute that this priest wasn't telling me the truth. And he didn't think they were demons, no, oh no, yeah no. But you know, it varied from village to village where there were larger, larger villages,
and there seemed to be competition. You know, a lot of what's happening in like in Mexico, for example, a lot of the Pentecostal religion and they're moving in and they are taking a lot of the congregation away from the Catholic Church. The difference being is that the Catholic Church, if you have ceremonies, basically you have to pay for well for the poor people, it's
very hard to pay. Where if you go to a Pentecostal church, they feed you because all the people around the world are donating money to those churches and they go out and they feed the people. Well, if you feed the people, they're going to come, especially if you don't have a lot
of food. I remember a story that was told to me years and years ago on a Pine Ridge Indian reservation, an elder told me that the priest on the reservation had come and you know, had told them, now, tomorrow night is Christmas Eve, and you have to come to the church because you're going to see Santa Claus. And he said, so, we we thought Santa clausus Jesus because he was always talking about Jesus. And he said, so we all go down to the church to see Jesus because we don't
know the difference between Santa Claus and Jesus Jesus. And he said, that's why the word in Lacota was the same word for Jesus as it was for Santa Claus. That's funny, and yeah, and I think that's that's what happens in a lot of the indigenous cultures, is that religion will come in and they'll hear these stories and they're not sure what they're hearing or not or trying to make sense out of it in their own culture, and so it
becomes something that is not intended. But as as long as it can control people, sometimes maybe that's you know, that's all they care. But the Pentecostals are making a huge inroad into pulling people away from the Catholic Church and
the Pentecostals. The Catholics have done more, I think in terms of four accepting the Maya religion and incorporated it into their teachings than the Pentecostals, because the Pentecostals will tell them everything they do is of the devil, but the Catholic Church doesn't say that to them, and it doesn't term the the sky visitors, or the star people or the aliens as devils, where the Pentecostals do. Now, I don't know if if you feel this way, but
it seems I don't know that that's true across the board. But of all the people, I know that was true. Yeah, although it seems like native peoples and and I don't know if it's the same down there are not as dogmatic. It's almost like not understanding kind of the heart and fast rules
that are the hard dogmas of some religions. Well, I agree, you know, I think they and that that's that's the reason why I think that that in many of these villages you'll find the Catholic priest working along with you know, the local shaman or the local healer or the you know, the local wise man. You know, I heard him called a lot of different things, you know, wise men, the healers, the shaman. And I always think of shaman as being more of a of an English term,
you know, than than a local term. But you'll hear them use that word on occasion, you know, the local shaman. And I've even heard, you know. I was in one village in Honduras where a native woman approached me and she she had told me that that the local priest had predicted my coming to their village. Wow, And I said, you mean the Catholic priest, and she says, oh, no, no, no, she says, I live in the mountains, and in the mountains our priest,
the priest, we have the local priests. So she was talking about a name, so they even call them priests sometimes. But the native priest have predicted that that I would be there, And she goes on to tell me how she knows I'm the person that he predicted would come. There's a lot of superstition intermingled too, you know, when you start talking to people about different explanations of what they have seen, and you know what is going
on. But the bottom line is, and of course too, you know, I mean a lot of the descriptions they described these Some describe the spacecraft like pro Paine tanks. Well, we all know that, you know, we've heard the cigar shaped yeah craft. But their best way of describing it is like a pro Paine tank, because that's what they're familiar with. Yeah.
Really interesting. Now with the shamans or the wise men that you've talked to, you know, in these rural areas, are they mostly all accepting or even do they take it for granted that there are sky people, that there's people coming from the sky's interacting really? Yeah? Absolutely do they mostly,
if not all, have their own stories. I think it depends more on the village that you go to, because it's generally the stories are generally related to a particular village, and not all the stories that not all you know by fire. Over half of the villages that would you know, you go to Polink for example, now Polinki, there's an old story that's told around Polink that there was a bean that came to Polink and that this bean built this structure and he would get in it and it would take him to
the stars, and he ruled Polenka while it was being built. And that Polink was supposed to be the place where all the knowledge of the universe was to be stored. But after Polink was built, the people who build it used to live, so it never became the storage center. Now, the Hope say that to the south of Hope Land there is a red city that contains all the knowledge of the universe. Well, the Red City to the
south of the Hope Land is the link. So there's so much connection with all of these different legends that you know, if you study history and I you know, I have a degree in history. I love history. Yeah, you know, you start seeing those connections and you start, you know, seeing that you know, there has to be more than just that we
are on this earth. Well, it's interesting too that the Native Americans in the US, you know, it seems like and maybe even Canada you would know better, all the way down to meso America what you're describing now, have a similar idea that these beings came come and go periodically to teach us
things. Absolutely. I was told by one elder a really fascinating story of how the aliens live among us, and he said they come for sixteen they come every sixteen years and they stay and they assume our you know, they can assume to look like humans, they assume the identity of humans. They work with our scientists, they work with our medical people, they work with our leaders, and nobody ever knows the difference. And then they're gone for
sixteen years. They said, in two thousands they left the planet Earth. They will be back in twenty sixteen. Cool, and so he said that hopefully the world will survive that long until they come back and they can set us on the right path again. M Yeah, it's just so interesting how similar that concept is throughout all of the different you know, because being here in the Southwest, we you know, and having an interest in this stuff myself. Yeah, throughout the years, it's a similar kind of story.
Have you have you ever seen the hand print on various pictographs and things throughout the Southwest. Yeah. My mom, in fact, was the superintendent at Petroglyphs National Park in Albuquerque where they have a lot of them, and we
would go visit sites throughout especially the Southwest. Well, I was in place in Guatemala and my driver, Matteo and I we we just we had I had spent the night at his sister's house, and he had he had taken me to meet his sister because she was an English teacher in a high school and she liked talking to English speakers and and so I was invited to her house for dinner, and and she had some teenage daughters and I got you
know, they had a story to tell. And so I spent the night there at her house, and the next I actually ended up spending a couple of days there in the countryside. And so when we started back to Guatemala City, he said, you know, would you like to take some side roads And we came upon this we pulled off the road. She had packed us at lunch, and so we pulled off the road and we were sitting
there eating and and this maya elder for the name of yaqu He. He came to where we were sitting and he said, he introduced himself, and he said, basically was wondering what we were doing there. And he said, well, you know, this is the site of an ancient city in the jungle. But he says, most people don't even know it's here. And he explained to me that one time the government had said they were going to reconstruct and rebuild a city and open it to tourists. They said.
They even came on to the land and they build a caretaker's suite, but then they abandoned it. So he had been in the US. He had illegally been in the US. He had gotten enough money. It saved enough money to build his mother a home and his siblings, and so he when his caretaker's place was abandoned, he literally moved into it took it over. So he was kind of the protector of this old ancient site, and he
would chase people who were trying to steal the stuff. And nobody ever questioned his authority, you know, I mean he lived there, and he even had a little library. He showed me his little library of English books and and he spoke very good English. And and when I gave him some books to add I always carry a lot of paperbacks with me, and I gave him some books to add to his collection. And he said, now I
will show you around. That's my gift to you. So he took You know, we came upon this this one particular structure, and it was he had built a wooden bench in front of him, and it was a stone edifice, and unlike many of the other structures of the site. There there was nothing more than that was nothing more than a pound mounds of rubble. This was a standing structure with a smooth arch over the doorway. But there
were painted red hands decorating the facade. And he said to me, I built this bench because I like to come here early in the morning and communicate with the Shining Ones. He said this was the altar of the Shining Ones. And I said, well, who are the Shining Ones? And he said, well, they're the space people or the sky gods, or whatever you want to call them. He said, extraterrestials, aliens. They are the ones who left their handprints, and he said you'll see them all over
the world. And then he explained to me that you know there are sixty seven he said, the Shining people tell him that there's sixty seven solar systems in a confederation, and that there are thousands of spacecraft that circle the Earth at any given time. But he says, our technology doesn't see them.
And that's when he told me about the people who lived all over the Earth and how they rotate and they come on a sixteen year cycle, and he said they left in two thousand and they will return in two thousand and sixteen. Interesting, I know, and you know, and this was just happenstance that we happened. And he also he said that the Brothers of the Red Hand, he called them the Brothers of the Red Hand, that they traveled
the universe, and they left their imprints everywhere place they went. And he said the Brothers of the Red Hand were sky men who traveled throughout the universe, not only the Earth, but they were collecting knowledge of the universe, and they held the secrets of the origins of all the peoples of the Earth. Mars Rover took a picture of a handprint like that, isn't that interesting? I heard about it, but I've never been able to find it on
the internet. They must be there someplace that would be neat Yeah, how fun, I mean, how adventurous of you to go do this. And you must have spent a lot of time then down there, Oh I did I've spent I've spent probably if you put it all together, maybe three or four years in that part of the country. You know. One of one of the things is if I go to a village and then the next time I went, I go back to the same village. You know, I was able to to get the trust of people, and I had wonderful people
who helped me. I mean, you know, I couldn't say anymore, you know, but you know I interviewed them before I went. I you know, really took a lot of time in deciding, you know, who I want. I wanted people that if they if if I could find them, that were part indigenous. I wanted people that could at least speak one of the indigenous languages of that area, you know that I would be traveling
to. And because you know, there's like fifteen different dialects of you know, of the Maya, and so you know, it was really important that you know that when I go into villages and I talk to people, because obviously, you know, a lot of the people who don't even speak Spanish, you know, they speak their native language, and I mean they have no reason they don't see that. You know, when you get down in the Yucatan. Very example, they'll say, they'll talk about the Mexicans mm
hm, and you don't have that. They'll say, you know, we better get out of here because all these Mexicans are coming. And the first time they said that to me. I thought it was the funniest thing I'd ever heard. And I said, well, what do you call yourself? And they said, well, we're the Ukatakans, We're not Mexicans. And of course they got all the Dayta back to the cast wars, you know, and and of course the Yucatan is mostly populated by the native people,
you know. I mean, I don't think people realize that that. Unlike America, Mexico has a lot of indigenous people who still live kind of in the way they have for for millennia and speak different languages. And there's a lot of them out there, fifteen million in Mexico, So you know, you and and a lot of them. And that's just Maya. We're not talking about, you know, all the other right, you know groups.
I mean, you know, you go up into the Chiapas, you know, that's where you know, you walked up down the streets of the Chiapas, and what you see are Indian Indian people, you don't. You know, you'll see a few tourists, but it's a town of native people. I mean, a city of native people, not a town. You know, when you when you get up into the you know, into that part of the world and the Chiapas the state, not the city. You know.
So you took these stories and you put them together in a book that's going to be coming out pretty soon here, it's going to be coming out in December, okay, and it's already elicted for pre order on Amazon dot com. Okay. Perfect. And when you put these stories together, was there a pattern that arose for you or or some overall kind of discoveries that you made. Well, I think you know, when you you you examine, you know, the stories, if you look at them as a whole,
you know, you see themes that run throughout. You know, you see so many of the stories that I was told. For example, the first thing they saw were balls of light, and those balls of life transmorphed
into human like entities. I think that was a common thread I came across people who, uh, you know, I think one of the most unique things, and I'd like to get this this point across, is that, you know, in a lot of the legends, a lot of the indigenous groups, including the Aztecs, believe that the Spaniards were gods when they came to Mexico in that area, came to Meso America, they thought they were gods. And I spoke with one elder who reminded me that the Maya had
never viewed the Spaniards as gods. They never viewed them as technology technologically advanced. He said, we knew technologically advanced civilizations because we came from one. We never viewed the Spaniards as superior to us. And I think that sets the Maya apart from all the other people I've interviewed mm hm, you know, because that speaks statements and volumes. I think of how the Maya believed in themselves, you know, and how they did not recognize the White Man
as gods. The other thing I think that is so unique is that half of the elders that I interviewed told me that the Maya were not thisted, that that the ancient cities were not built by ancient astronauts, that the ancient cities, that they themselves were descendants of the of the sky people who came here. Those people lived on this earth, and they were their descendants, and they were who the Maya are. They brought their knowledge with him.
They never There is nowhere in their legends or their stories about somebody coming and teaching them how to live or anything. They brought that knowledge with him when they came, and that is probably the strongest information I received that would validate their beliefs that they came from the stars. Yeah. How interesting, really
interesting stuff. And the consistencies like the balls of light, you know, turning into human humanoid forms are things that are reported and possible alien encounters, but also in ghost stories, you know, you hear that a lot too. Really interesting. Well, thank you, thank you so much for coming on the show again and sharing all of this, and I to talk to you for two or three hours about this, you know, because absolutely it
was just wonderful. Yeah, it sounds like it. And luckily, because I know people love your last book, I think people are going to find this really fascinating. And it looks like the book will be out in time for Christmas. It looks like about December twenty second sylla, and you're going to hear about missing time. You're going to hear about like pregnancies. You will hear about physical examinations, abductions, and personal interaction with aliens. Wow.
The difference is that it's all described within their cultural context, and which is really brings a unique type of take on the UFO research. Yeah, really cool. So uh sound really interesting. So I'll have to bring you on again. I mean, it hasn't been too long, sad, so we'll have to have you on again to talk about those things. But thank you so much, and good luck with the book, and you have great
holidays you too, and all your listeners out there are happy holidays. Thank you so much to Artie six Killer Clark for being on the show yet again. Very interesting, you know, just it's fun to hear from her because you get this picture of being down there in Central America and visiting these little villages in between, you know, and the same place as all of these incredible Aztec and Mayan ruins. So it's got to be really incredible so experience
and to live out there, it's just so weird. It's just kind of surreal that we have these amazing ruins out there, many of which I know are still uncovered, and of which you have all these little villages of people living around there in all of these legends, and then it's so interesting. We're having Clifford Mahodi speak at the UFO Congress this year, and he speaks about similar things that the Zuni believe that Artie is saying about these people in
Mesoamerica. So the similarities are really striking, very very interesting stuff. So it's great to talk to her. I definitely I've already pre ordered my book from her, so I recommend that everybody do that. But you can go to her site six killer dot com and see more about her, and she doesn't have a link there yet to her new book, but you can go to Amazon and look up Arty six Killer and you'll see her book there and
you can pre order. It's only like fifteen bucks. You know, it was like less than twenty bucks, but if you have Amazon Prime, I think you get free shipping or something. So yeah, it's a great price and it sounds like some incredible story, so really cool. Thank you so much for Artie for being on the show again. Well you heard from Jason. It sounds like we will have a spacing out this week, but we'll
definitely have one next week. And if you didn't see it, we had one last week where we talked some more about Tom Carry and these slides of an alien from Roswell, So we talked about that, talked a little bit more about that controversy and what's going on there, and it should be sometime early next year that they'll be revealing these slides themselves and some more information, so we'll keep you up to date to that, and we're keeping a close
pulse on this, so you can be sure that as soon as those pictures make it out, we will get those out on our website with all the analysis that is known at the time, so we'll get that to you and we will keep a very close eye on how this develops, and hopefully there's something to it. Don Schmidt was just here at Phoenix Move On and I talked to him a little bit about it, and he thinks, you know, that this may be something worth looking at. So we're excited for that.
Hopefully it is. But I don't think you can help but be a little skeptical because so many times we hear, oh, great stuff and it doesn't turn out to be. But what will be great stuff? And I think we can absolutely guarantee this is a UFO Congress because we're so excited we're
gonna have Bob Lazar. He was on with George Napp last night, and Jeremy Corbell was also on who George Napp is as friends with and very excited about as well, because Jeremy's done some really cool documentaries of which will be revealed premiered for the first time ever at the UFO Congress, So you got to check this out. So you'll see Jeremy's documentaries, you'll see Bob Lazar, you'll see a lot of really great speakers, So it's going to be
a lot of fun. Go to Ufocongress dot com for more and you can register there and just keep an eye at Open Mindset TV of course for more news and information on that as well. We're selling out so quick people. Tickets are really going fast and we really do have limited space, so register as soon as possible and you'll want to check that out. That's going to be a lot of fun. Thank you to Caleb Hanks, who does the opening and closed music. You can find out more about him at clerk Chronicles
dot com. He says that he's going to have some more music out as well, and he usually offers that music for free. And I think it's really cool music. I mean I really like it. I listened to it periodically. You can also go to the Open Minds radio website and you'll see a link to that. Thanks to the PSN network for having us on, thanks to podcast Ufo who has us on the show regularly. And we're going to be on end f Day's video soon and Roam Radio a couple interviews we're
going to be doing. So it's really fun to talk to the meet community and stay in touch with everybody and share our information with anybody who wants to share it. So but you can get it firsthand and stay up to speed at open minds dot tv and also on our YouTube, of which we put
out a great Travis Walton video last week. I wrote a Huffington Post Post blog on it because it shows some of the visits, so the night SkyWatch that we did and some interviews with Travis, and at the courthouse where you know, the guys were administered the polygraph tests and where as Travis said, if they would have failed them, they wouldn't have left that courthouse because there's also the jail cell in the basement of the courthouse there. So really cool
video. You've got to check that out. We won't We will be talking to you next week. In fact, in between the holidays here I should be doing an interview, and this is really cool, this is exciting,
and this is years literally years in the making. I'm finally If everything goes smoothly this week, I should be able to interview Doug Trumball, Trumbull or Trumbell, I can't remember how the last name goes, but anyway, this guy is a big hero of mine because he's a special effects guru who did special effects on pretty much all of my favoritist movies in the whole world, such as Close Encounters and Blade Runner and others. So I cannot tell you
how excited I am to talk to him. He works with Mark D'Antonio from mof on and they're working on this uphotog project. But he's been into UFOs for a long time and uphotog was his idea. So if you haven't heard some of our interviews with Mark and you're not sure what youuphotog is about, we'll talk about that and how he began to get interested in this field.
So really excited about that. That's most likely what we'll have one week next week, unless there's some kind of scheduling issue, but we will definitely have his interview up soon. So all of you have a wonderful holiday week, have some great turkey. But you know what, this is a great time to go veggie, just like. Actually, coincidentally, Jason and Maureen and I are all vegetarians, and so we know that there will be no turkeys harmed in our festivities for this week, and you should be the same.
So this is a perfect time to save some turkeys. They're cute little guys. You know, if you're in California or even out out here, you see them in the wild gobbling around. They're really cool. Don't kill them and eat them, people, Come on, have a heart. No, we still love our meat, eat our friends. But you have a great holiday whether or not you eat turkey, toe turkey or Tamali's like I will be in joying. Have a great holiday, and we'll talk to you next week. People. Audio smooth chachos