Behind The Curtain With John Hamer and Keyvan Devani. #549

Hello, everybody. My name is Daniel Prince, and I'm the host of the Once Bitten podcast. This is a podcast focused on Bitcoin. It's my mission to interview as many people as I can around the different aspects of Bitcoin and help people understand exactly what Bitcoin could mean for them and for their families and for their future. I hope you enjoy the show. Thank you so much for listening. Hello everybody and welcome to this episode of the Once Bitten podcast.

This was a very interesting conversation that I got myself into with fellow podcaster K-Van Devani. He has his own podcast where he delves into different rabbit holes, obviously a Bitcoiner and has had his own Bitcoin podcast for many, many years. Please go and check it out. It's

called the davani connection and john hamer so k van and i were talking about some of the books that we'd been digging into and i was recommended this one by another very good bitcoin friend it's called behind the curtain a chilling expose of the banking industry and john takes you down many different other rabbit holes as well throughout the book it is a big book plenty of chapters in here but chapter five for example the british royal bankster family and he will take

you down the rabbit holes of that particular period and then chapter seven leads into uh zionism and how that is all connected the political kind of party really is what it is uh of the zionists and who helped get them some power and push that and um you're gonna find some very interesting very interesting connections here like i say it's a big read but a very important one and if you like exploring rabbit holes this one is going to be for you john is a prolific

writer he's got many books out there for example the falsification of history or the falsification of science he's written a book about the olympic which was the sister ship to the titanic and he's written a book about the titanic and if you've gone down the rabbit hole of the titanic and how that was linked to the formation of the federal reserve or maybe you've not gone down that rabbit hole and you'd be very surprised to find out that there is a link there uh so yeah get into it and

be prepared for people to call you a conspiracy theorist if you're going to go and get this book

and start delving in and trying to find some truths and connect some dots because that's what people like to do they just like to point and laugh at you and call you conspiracy theorist i'm now so used to that having been a bitcoiner for many a year and going down those rabbit holes and exposing the secrets of the federal reserve by eustace mullins exposing the the health industry the education system all of it needs exposing for what it is but yes you do stand aside uh from your

general group of friends so that is your forewarning go and discover it thanks to k-van for setting this one up thank you to john for coming on before we get into the show let's give a quick

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welcome to the show john hamer and daniel prince my name is kevan davani uh this is uh well we've i've had already uh john on and daniel prince i mean we've been friends for a long time uh i don't know uh do you just for the sake of you know a brief overview do you want to like introduce both of you you know maybe john why don't you start off please uh we already had the pleasure yeah yeah brief introduction to myself yeah i'm uh my name is john hamer obviously i've

been a geopolitical researcher analyst author and public speaker for around just under 30 years um i uh you know i do a lot of public speaking as i say i go around the country uk doing talks about how history and science specifically have been falsified over the I also have a catalogue of nine books now and number 10 is in the pipeline so yeah I've been

a very busy boy these last 30 years and you know it's it's been all been worthwhile you know it's been so gratifying to find that so many people you know say to me John if it wasn't for you I wouldn't know what the hell was going on in the world so yeah um blowing my own trumpet a little bit there but um no it's been a very kind of satisfying experience shall we say to to get to

where I am today. Before I introduce myself Kayvan just one quick question for John there what what were you doing before you fell down all of these rabbit holes i was uh i spent my entire working life in it doing various jobs from a computer operator on the mainframe computer programmer systems analyst uh you name it so yeah it was a complete departure for me wow okay all right so um i'll come back with more questions uh i'm i'm a fellow podcaster john so

you're going to get peppered here at the today uh my name is my name is daniel prince i'm on the host of the once bitten podcast uh yeah caveman and i have done uh some podcasts together in the past uh we find ourselves falling down all of these same rabbit holes i've not read your nine books john i've read this one behind the curtain uh this was a great one a good friend of mine has been shilling me your books uh falsification of history which i've got to obviously pick up as

well uh i didn't know you had 10 on the go so i've still got some work ahead of me but i've been falling down other rabbit holes as well and uh i think you've drawn a little bit of your your work on like Eustace Mullins for example I've read his work uh yeah secrets of the federal reserve murder by injection injection the the council on foreign relations but of course he's just

another quack like uh like you and like Kayvan and like myself that you know we should be right wing and um you know right wing terrorists basically that's what we are Daniel that's what we call us right wing terrorists far right terrorists in fact unbelievable unbelievable just for asking questions uh so yeah i have a podcast that's uh that's about bitcoin and um what took me to that journey and uh find it that's how i found out about the federal reserve system

and central banking and all of that um so anyway i'll leave it there and pass it back over to k van

who's going to kick us off i guess yeah you know john uh the reason i wanted this interview or this discussion this conversation with you together with daniel because daniel i mean i really have I love Daniel Prince knowledge background and he's got kids of his own and he's one of the few if not one of the only ones of Bitcoiners podcasters and he also comes right you come originally from their financial fiat background.

Yes. But I should have told John I came from the dark side I worked in foreign exchange markets for 18 years so there you go. So, you know, like me, I mean, Daniel is really one of the very few people and podcasts and Bitcoiners and, you know, brains that are genuinely curious, open-minded, critical, questioning things. At least, you know, having the guts, having the balls and intelligence and the wisdom and the comprehension, at least to question things.

And, you know, when you have kids, like, you know, you have a very lowest time preference. And it's like, how are your kids going to grow up? are they going to be able, are they going to be allowed to question things in the face of objective, objective, like a prima facie, like in your face, data, evidence, forensic, objective, you know, reality of truth. So, you know, your books, the first one's Falsification of History and Science,

it blew me, blew my mind. Now off the bat, I'm hoping, you know, Daniel can compliment me a

little bit. They're like two topics and you know, I love your work, John, but I'm a little bit concerned that there are two topics and um that might be used to you know as an attack surface area you know to attack your credibility because there's nothing you know you've you know you've done a very you know childlike genuine you know very open-minded questioning you know whether it be the flat earth theory or the ufo you know all this you know there's a lot of psyop of course

behind it and what was the other one daniel the uh was it the flat earth or was there some other topic that there's chemtrails like you know you get cancelled if you even just say that word but you can just look point your chin at the sky and you well that doesn look right but you know it so quickly the cancellation that comes away absolutely i mean excuse me excuse me

specifically regarding chemtrails people don't look up people don't look at the sky anymore they're just it's just like tunnel vision going around doing their daily chores whatever you know so when you mention it to anyone who's not aware it's like i've not noticed anything like that either that or they're just told that they're persistent contrails and they just

whack that up too so yeah no such thing as persistent contrails contrails are contrails yeah yeah we should we should go into the rabbit hole maybe later on that but yeah all the other essential topics i just i just love it to be honest with you when i started reading both you know both read them volume one and two behind the curtain it just blew my mind i had not expected or anticipated that you would go so taboo less so like you know like so deep into

the rabbit hole and just name the things and i had because i i knew you know in the in the first books falsification of history and science both books you know uh you skimmed it or you touched

upon it superficially i'm like okay yeah i mean you could have maybe maybe you you know whatever it's just too much taboo, but it's so factual with so much factual evidence supported it really blew my mind, so again I love your books I always say this when I'm doing talks podcasts, I always say this I have no agenda whatsoever I have absolutely no axe to grind the only thing I'm interested in is the truth I'm not saying that I know absolutely everything or I get absolutely everything

right because that's impossible we're all humans we're all in fact you know we're all fallible um but i say to people i don't i don't have a specific agenda that i follow you know i i just tell the truth as i see it and you know that's the simple formula that i use you know there's there's nothing more complicated than that really so there's obviously the uh the big subject here john i would say is uh like you know the what you bring it up in uh in volume one that the holocaust

and you bring up zionism and you bring up judaism and obviously with uh what's going on in the world right now between israel and palestine and whatever we're being told because we know we're only ever told half truths we never you know outright lies would be too simple right uh half truths are way way more effective to uh to get us um all confused how are you you must have been attacked as an anti-semite for writing what you've done and you must have talked about this on on certain

tours as well how do you handle that and what's your message to people that are too afraid they're self-censoring i know that i know for a fact people are self-censoring yeah well i mean i do

myself i mean you just can't go all the way with it unfortunately because you know if i did i'd end up like people like kermar rudolph and you know david irving you've just got to really be quite circumspect about it i mean obviously so it's it's there in black and white and my book and by the way if amazon ever found out about it i might be in trouble but um yeah i i'd never been physically attacked i've been verbally attacked on many occasions i've been called all kinds of names

under the sun one of the one of the slides that i show in my presentation uh and i can't remember all the terminology that i use off the top of my head it says not only my conspiracy theorist but i'm also being accused of being a racist anti-semitic misogynistic flat earth loony anti-vaxxer and i just list all these terms you know because they apply labels to anyone who goes against any element of their agenda and those labels are meant to demonize that person so that as soon as someone

hears that something cogs go click in their head and they think yeah not listen to this guy he's a whatever you know and this is that was that's done by all done by design that's why they do it you know if you if you dare mention something like immigration for example you immediately you're a racist you know you're a you're a fat as i said before a far-right terrorist and and it just switches people's minds off and that's why that's why that kind of scenario is

being engendered by the powers that be or the powers that shouldn't be as i like to call them um so yeah it's um never been physically attacked although i suppose there's always the first time but yeah plenty of verbal attacks i actually did i did a went to do a talk in stroud last year I struggled in the UK, in the southwest of the UK.

And my talk got cancelled because of the threat of violence towards me. There was a group there who were extreme left-wing fanatics, I would say. By the way, I believe they're far more dangerous than we right-wingers. I mean, not that I am a right-winger, it's just nonsense. But, yeah, and the thing had to be called off for fear of violence. So, yeah, that's the closest it's ever come. Sorry.

Do you have the impression, John, that it has become slightly, a little bit more, I don't know, socially or civilizationally accepted to talk about, I mean, as a truth seeker, you know,

do you have the impression it has become a little bit more accepted to talk about, open up these debates or discussions or I don't know what? Yeah, a little bit, definitely. it's kind of a two-way street, if you like. When I first began this journey, I didn't get much resistance because there weren't that many people who even gave it a second thought.

But now I think a lot of people are waking up and a lot of people woke up around the COVID nonsense that was prevalent for a couple of years, not long ago.

So that, I noticed a massive surge in people in uptaking book sales for example uptaking people coming to my talks and so many people say to me i woke up in 2020 so yeah um i can't remember what the original question was now cave on i don't know whether that's answered it or not no but i mean it has become a little bit more accepted to to open up yes yeah yeah it has generally speaking especially observe you know

I mean, it's like you're watching the cause, the problems, all the wars, the Israel of Palestine. It's like in your face right now. There's no other way. I mean, you can't look away.

Yeah, yeah. And I think they're definitely stepping up the agenda, whatever the agenda may be. There is definitely an agenda going on, a very large overall agenda. They're definitely stepping that up. And I think part of the reason for that is that their COVID experiment failed. they realised that it woke people up and they curtailed it because originally it was according to something called the Rockefeller Lockstep document, which I don't know whether

you guys have ever come across that, COVID was meant to go on until 2025. But I believe

they had to curtail it because it was just having the opposite effect. It was waking people up and um you know so yeah it's uh you know it's um it's uh an interesting situation shall we say yeah i'm i'm in that camp i must say uh from from 2020 onwards uh that was just the final nail in the coffin i've been asking many questions beforehand but not the right ones and not enough but when that uh you know wear your masks stay at home and uh you know jab this in your arm

what the nhs oh yeah yes oh there's a rabbit hole um but yeah all of that it did seem as though cards were being overplayed and uh i don't know why uh you never know this is the thing kven and

i were talking before um you never know the agenda like you know there's something but you never know what is the uh the full-on agenda and um many people who have been down these rabbit holes would probably have heard of the name albert pike uh who he's the one that you know prophesied or planned was probably a better idea a better word um the three great wars three world wars we've obviously had one and two and now question marks over this third one i mean was

the third one was that supposedly the cold war or was that not good enough and now is this uh you've got russia ukraine at war you have israel palestine at war and now you have uh the u.s and uh all of these uh war tariffs uh tariff wars excuse me um there's always always something going on and it's always the same people that are making money on both sides of this yeah and i think

another element to that daniel is that um and i always talk about this as well in my in my stand ups um fear you know a lot of what you just mentioned yes it's going on but they're greatly exaggerated because they want us to live in fear because the only way that a few thousand people and there are only a few thousand of them, control eight billion, allegedly, is through fear, because fear lowers our vibrational level and it makes us more susceptible to being controlled.

You know, as a species, we tend to kind of look to other people for support when we feel scared, which is a natural, normal thing. So that's what they want us to do.

They want us to turn to them and say, government please protect us from these terrible things that are going on and of course that's the hegelian dialectic isn't it create a problem wait for their reaction then offer the solution that they want you know so it's yes you know you're absolutely right what you're saying but there is that other element to it i believe yeah absolutely right uh k van is there uh any particular place because there's hundreds of points we could drill down on.

I mean, can we talk, I mean, I'm genuinely interested, Judaism. What is Judaism? What is it? What's the ethos, the spirituality? Is there, I mean, what do they believe in? Is there an original ancient Judaism? I'm genuinely interested. Or is it something that has been hijacked in the course of, I don't know, ancient history of Babylon or later in Khazarian land. Yeah. Want to talk about that? Yeah. I mean, I'm not an expert on Judaism per se.

I mean, I kind of understand the basics of what, you know, the historical aspects of it. I mean, originally the Jews were a tribe of people that lived in the Palestine area, the Middle East, if you like, during biblical times, you know, 2,000 years ago and before that. But then, that's only a small part of it.

In the Dark Ages kind of eight nine hundreds there was a tribe as you mentioned in kazaria and they were a very warlike tribe and they um they used to fight all the other nations all the other tribes around them but then at some point their leader decided that you know they needed to try and live in peace with people and so they thought the good way to do that would be to adopt religion and become you know mainstream religious if you like and the religion that they decided

upon for whatever reason nobody really knows why was judaism so the kazaria region was like south southeastern europe on the borders of the middle east so kind of you know turkey that kind of that kind of area and 95% of Jews today are descended from Kazarians not from the Jews in the Middle East who are called Sephardic Jews so it's the Kazarian Jews who run just about everything okay now Judaism itself they as I say they

adopted that religion I don't know that much about it because to be honest I've never really researched it in depth because I've never been that interested um but yeah i mean that's that's that's the very basic understanding that i have of that situation so there are two specific uh major jewish tribes the savatic ones and the ones that control the world today virtually they're the kazarians they have no uh genealogical ties to

palestine or the middle east so i remember in your book i've just found that you you've got two definitions here and um sephardic i'd never even heard of this this word so it's s-e-p-h-a-r-d-i-c and this is under your definition of semitism it says not the state of being jewish as is generally believed and promoted by zionism for its own ends but simply the racial group to which inhabitants

of a small area of the middle east belong semites may be sephardic jews or they may be arabs there is no racial difference between the two yes so that's that was very interesting and then you the way you uh decipher zionism um zionism is a political movement that was originally established to lobby for a jewish homeland and now exists to promote the superiority of israel above all other countries with the ultimate goal of a one world government based in tel aviv

zionism is comprised primarily of jewish people but many non-jews are zionists and indeed many jews are anti-zionist like this is something people really need to understand absolutely

zionism is a is it a it's a political belief it's not a religion is that what we're yeah absolutely i mean that you know that quote from my book just sums it up totally i mean yeah it was originally uh a movement to uh to lobby for a jewish homeland and it began in the 19th century late 19th century um and uh you know they they managed to swing a lot of non-jews onto their team if you like and now there are things called zionish christians believe it or not

you know this is where dare i tread on more toes here john but this is where i don't know dare you

i i want to bring in i want to bring in the churchill family at this stage and talk about um winston and his i mean he's what is he he's a god-like figure here in the united kingdom it's unbelievable when you learn the truth and uh his links to zionism and his links well and his father as well and uh their links to the the balfour declaration which was signed back in 1917 so we are fed so much bs about this particular man and he was he was a zionist yeah i mean

funny you know fully enough i gave a talk in northumberland um place called cramlington not that's important um last week and that was about church and the real truth about church and you know yes it really does beg a belief how he was promoted as some kind of savior of the you know the western world and uh you know throughout the both world wars he was basically a warmonger um as you say he was a zionist he was a zionist because he was actually a jew

you know he was by all definitions a jew his mother was a jew a jewish lady by the name of jenny jerome who was the daughter of a very successful american financier and um yeah i mean that that is the definition of a jewish person someone whose mother is jewish yeah it gets very strange because you know is juda is jewishness a race or is it a religion well it's the boundaries are blurred i don't know the answer to that it's like a combination of both it's very strange

you know i i mean i don't want people to run away the idea that i am anti-semitic isn't that i'm anti-jewish i'm not anti-jewish per se i'm really an anti-zionist not an anti-jew i mean i you know there are there are thousands upon millions probably of of decent jewish people out there I'm not labelling them all with the same, you know, or tarring them all with the same brush. But, yeah, back to Churchill, sorry, slight diversion. Yeah, I mean, he was a monster.

You know, I've got an hour and a half presentation about him and all the nefarious stuff that he got up to, which I won't go into all the details on here. But, yeah, he was a monster. He was a murderer. He was a psychopath. We know that he arranged murders of various people. and including his own mother by the way he was responsible for the murder of his own mother

yeah absolutely i mean this is something i found out recently and it's not in the behind the curtain book um yeah um because i'll tell you why he did it because he was a he was a narcissist he was a psychopath sociopath you name it it was lots of other labels as well but just for the purpose of the mother murder, he was, he found out about 20 years after his father's death,

so in about 1915, him and his brother Jack, who it turned out was his half-brother because of her, shall we say, sexual proclivities, um he he found him and jack found out that um the mother had been cheated them of millions of pounds in the days when millions was a lot i mean millions is a lot now but in those days it was even more um because through a father's will she kept all the money that was meant for their inheritance and

once they actually managed to get hold of a copy of the father's will they realized this and Churchill was absolutely incensed and he was also incensed by the fact that she had a very shall we say varied sexual life for quite a public one and it was causing him all sorts of problems in his political career because in those days of course it was very taboo you know very taboo thing you didn't sleep around or if you did you didn't you didn't you didn't make a big public show of it

but she did apparently she was having affairs right left and center and it embarrassed him and the final straw was when he when he found out about being cheated out of all that money and so he arranged for her to be disposed of well i didn't know that i didn't have it on that bingo card wow uh psychopath narcissist so he had her assassinated or what or well no what happened was she um she actually he waited this time like all good psychopaths and he waited uh and waited and

after about five or six years she had an accident at home she fell down some stairs and she broke her

ankle um so i guess a very long convoluted story and i'll try and i'll try and keep it as succinct as i can there's a guy around at that time called sir bernard spillsbury who was a uh the government uh the guy in charge of autopsies and he was the senior guy he was often a witness at various trials uh you know murder trials giving his medical opinions so he's a very senior guy it's well-known guys with autobiographies and all sorts of stuff but yeah he was big pals with

churchill he was also a psychopath you know the birds of a feather flock together and all that and churchill had words with him and he arranged for his mother to be mistreated in hospital she was meant to uh recover from this broken ankle very quickly but uh for some reason they they cut off her entire leg okay so it wasn't you know he didn't just take take off the um the leg at the ankle she developed gangrene in hospital because Spilsbury

knew that an undetectable way to kill somebody would be to allow gangrene to happen and that is exactly what happened he knew that by allowing oxygen to a wound that is gangrenous would actually make the gangrene flourish you know rather than cure it so she she developed this gangrene they cut off her leg from the uh you know at the at the thigh rather than down below and she was sent home after three

days and and uh spillsbury allocated this person who was allegedly a nurse um who was never seen again after the event but um she'd not been home that that long and she died unexpectedly and yeah that's that's in a very small nutshell but but just to give you a flavor that that's exactly you know what happened so he arranged for his mother to be murdered in that very subtle way that was of course undetectable and the the the millions of deaths on his hands uh after world

war one and world war two uh you know it's it's despicable and people are like oh no it's just a time of war he was just doing what he had to do it's like no he led them into these wars like people forget the history and it's the sinking of the lucy tanya actually that i think is the absolute disgusting like well that and the bombing of dresden you know he's kind of bookending the start of the first world war and the end of the second world war you know um and people were like

what no that was a passenger ship it was just torpedoed and uh those by those terrible germans terrible german u-boats like well no if you start looking into it and understanding how this he was the uh he was the admiral of the fleet was he not at that point yeah and there was supposed to be um oh well nutshell uh it was packed full of ammunition and munitions and whatever else and it was supposed to be led was it not by the Juno I believe a frigate into safety

which was called back by Churchill himself, I believe. That's absolutely right. Yeah. I mean, it was a ploy to drag America into the war,

because America, at the start of both world wars, was what they call isolationist, which they use as a kind of an insult in as much as America didn't believe that had any place in that war because it was nothing to do with them. And of course, American public opinion was very strong in that area, you know, saying we don't want to be involved in the European war.

It's nothing to do with us. But the government, American government, in concert with governments all around the world, were placed there and not elected wanted the you know their friends in in the munitions world and the banking world because bankers love wars because they finance both sides they wanted to be part of it and the only way they could do that was by enraged you know creating a situation that

would absolutely enrage public opinion in america and that's exactly what the lucid tanya did because 90% of his passengers were Americans and some of them very prominent ones as well. History is repeating, John, right? I mean, when was it? 67? It was 60s, USS Liberty, we know all that, you know, the witnesses, the survivors of, it was a, I mean, definite deliberate, intentional false flag attack and murdering of American worship, right, by

Israel. I mean, yeah yeah so yeah i mean that they that false flags are just as you all know i guess i mean

it it's just a common occurrence they do it all the time to further their own agendas and to you know fool the people into believing that one event was caused by a certain set of circumstances when in fact in fact it was a different set of circumstances so yeah it's quite a cool employee to do this absolutely absolutely yeah common yeah false flag event is you get everybody completely afraid and it's a brilliant way to recruit for the military

you know you look at 9-11 how many people were you know signing up there to go off to fight the war you look at um pearl harbor another thing that uh another part of history that we've been told complete nonsense about but that drove the the public opinion to enter the war and bought men with it and bought war bonds you know if they could sell the war bonds everything changes and with uh the one we should touch on actually kevan um sinking ships okay can we just just one

okay just um it's i think for for my also for my comprehensive process when you talk about

Khazarian, Khazarian Jews, I mean, there are a lot of scholars, investigative researchers, experts who've been writing about this. Also, Mike Harris, I don't know if you know him, I've had him and Ashton Forbes on, and he wrote a series on the Khazarian Jews and Khazarian mafia, is that there's a peculiar question behind it, like, why of all the religions, let's just call religion, did those tribes, or one tribe,

you know, choose Judaism or, right? And I mean, I wish I was young, somebody would have, I mean, there's such overwhelming evidence and amount of loads of, you know, testimonials, evidence, experts, researchers coming out to the surface of this whole truth seeking process. I wish somebody would have given me a certified copy of the Torah and the Talmud. Now, the question is, How much is it really interpretation? How much literally you can read out of it?

Like, you know, creating, I mean, giving justification for torturing and raping a three-year-old or nine-year-old girl or boy. It boggles my mind and I don't know where to begin. And so this is the reason I asked you the core question. What is Judaism? What is this? Who is this? What are they worshipping? And why are we, non-Jews, the Goyim, the Gentiles, cattle or non-human, I don't know, or dirt? Who's Jesus, by the way, in their perception? Yeah, it's a good question.

I mean, I can't answer it definitively. I mean, you've done a pretty sterling job of it yourself there. But it's, yeah, you know, it's the whole situation, you know, needs serious looking at and understanding.

because you know most people out there just think oh yeah Jew Judaism is just another religion and well it's far more than that I mean that the the the rabbit holes in Judaism run so deeply and there is a lot more to know you know and I confess that I don't know all that much about the the real history of it you know um I just um I I just scratched the surface with it really so it's not it's not an area that i particularly major on um you know i'm kind of a jack of all trades a

master of none you know some people in our field they they concentrate on specific elements of it well i kind of you know do the broad brush approach so i don't i tend not to go into too much detail because it's just not possible yeah exactly so many different topics that i you know that I look at. It's just not possible to go into any more detail really.

I think it's a different question because reflecting upon the recent and right now the positive things that are taking place, sometimes to be honest with you I'm not surprised that all this systemic murdering, genocide, raping, torturing, I don't know what else, not being articulated, but taking place, where does it come from? Where is this sadism? this this you know this this well i i can't answer it definitively but all i can say on that topic is

that these people are all multi-generational psychopaths they're brought up in a psychopathic family and they continue that and pass it on down to their children that's about as much as i can say really yeah you know it's very very big topic and you know and and on there i don't think anybody's got a full handle on it actually i really don't you know from the stuff that i've looked at i i don't you know people again they address tiny elements of it here and there but

i think the overall bigger picture is something that that doesn't need investigating but it is a vast vast topic and if i look at um i'm just pulling up a description here uh i'll take the longer one of a psychopath a person with a personality disorder indicated by a pattern of lying cunning manipulating glibness exploiting headlessness arrogance delusions of grandeur sexual promiscuity low self-control disregard for morality lack of acceptance of responsibility

callousness and lack of empathy and remorse such an individual may be especially prone to to violent and criminal offenses and yeah john just from what i've been trying to piece together it's like you know how do these people end up in positions of power all of the time because they are that's what that they're groomed from what i can tell from a very very young age and what you've just said is passed down and so if you look at someone like a churchill you know born into this

family um loving or unloving most likely unloving given up at the gates of a boarding school at the age of five six or seven whatever it is and then you know go through that mill and at these places at these boarding schools uh you have the um the sorters the people that that they're looking out

for that specific personality type and then they will be groomed they take over the grooming process because they have been placed from years and years back and this is it takes us all the way back to the rothschild dynasty and the meeting that took place in uh and uh in frankfurt in the 1770s and the rise of adam weishaupt and oh my god he's going to say the word illuminati ladies and gentlemen now he really is a conspiracy theorist because they are they just don't exist right okay

they don't exist fine well read about adam weishaupt and uh albert pike and then read about how they infiltrated the uh uh freemasonry and the lodges and uh how how is it that if you look at a list of american presidents how many of them have been freemasons i mean fdr himself was a grandmaster and like this is the guy that has only ever won more than two terms you know and this is the guy that he he wrote executive order 6102 and rug pulled everybody of their gold in 1933 just

that after the depression when no when when that country was on its knees yeah it's unreal but these yeah and it wasn't even fdr that said presidents are selected not elected yeah it was okay i mean another um major uh characteristic of a psychopath is that they're very driven as well very driven very focused they won't you know they don't care who gets in their way they will destroy them so yeah it's um you know it's a very handy attribute for anybody who um you know who seeks

power to be a psychopath i i think i mentioned it in one of my books i can't remember whether it was behind the curtain or in uh false question of history um but there was a uh an article in a newspaper it must be about 25 years ago i can't remember which one it was it might have been the independent and it said that it was interviewing a senior banking guy in britain and he said that

they use aptitude tests you know the the aptitude tests that when people get recruited so they use them and to actually seek out psychopaths because they know that these people are going to be you know going to take the business forward ruthlessly so you know what does that tell you that's why psychopaths are very top heavy in in all kinds of industry and commerce because they actually actively recruit them using aptitude tests which is very good actually i'm sure people listening

if they think hard about it they will be able to realize who the office psychopath is and it is generally in a managerial um position because no empathy right that's the thing they they're incapable of feeling empathy so when it comes to firing you they don't give a fuck they don't care you've got three kids and they don't care that you've just moved from one region to another region but the jobs are like you gone i've seen them i i was surrounded by them like you know

well yeah you especially in your industry yeah excuse me yeah it's um yeah and then you know I think most people, I don't know how many, what was the percentage, but most people cannot even imagine or comprehend that evil exists and there are people soulless with no fucking empathy whatsoever. But the problem is that people are extrapolating from themselves. So if I'm a good person, if I give unconditional love, I have faith, I have trust, You know, I cannot extrapolate for myself.

I have to understand. This is why we're talking, because people need to understand that there's evil that exists and the process behind it. And, you know, otherwise you can't even imagine that evil exists.

Yeah, I mean, they use this. You're absolutely right, Kavan. I mean, they use this idea that people cannot conceive that anyone could be so evil to their own advantage.

you know and you know they're right in this in this uh assumption not an assumption but knowledge that that um people cannot conceive that anyone could be so evil because they themselves are inherently good people and they would never behave in that way so they can't actually accept that there are people around that will behave in that way and this is a very useful tool for them yeah and this tool is called hanlon's razor uh and just to give yeah just to give you the quick

uh overview of hanlon's razor is an adage or rule of thumb that states never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity that's what they're hiding behind that's good yeah but it's not it's like you know i i have this conversation with people like right okay hang on a second is it evil that our money that we are forced to use a medium exchange that can be printed at will by a certain people like that didn't happen by accident in fact we all very

well know here and most people on this podcast are going to know about the the formation of the federal reserve and that was the third attempt to create a central bank in the united states over decades like that isn't just like oh let's have another run at it no this is conniving this is planning this is putting people in place like you know for for example nelson aldrich uh was um there's a reason nelson rockefeller's full name is nelson aldrich rockefeller because nelson

aldrich was his grandfather yes john d rockefeller jr was married off to abigail

15 to 20 years before they even dreamt up the uh the meeting at jeckill island this is how far in advance these people they plan this and that is evil that is psychopathic and when you are when you again i'm going to read from your book here john because you do a great uh great job of cognitive dissonance and you put that in at the very beginning because people reading your book they're going to face this no the world can't be this evil like you know that's the thing

exactly what you're talking about so cognitive dissonance is a mental conflict that occurs when beliefs or assumptions are contradicted by new information so it's like boom there it is new information in your face churchill's a warmongering fucking prick like no he's not in the god like you Come off the fence, Daniel. Come on. Yes. Yeah. And you know, John, before you came on the show, we've been talking about it for a while. Sorry about that. No, no, it's okay. It was all meant to be, actually.

Okay. It helped me with my brainstorming for my questions also, because I may have been brainstorming before that. But Daniel said a very interesting thing. He's like, you know, I mean, now I came to that, to the conclusion. like, okay, this is why we're Bitcoiners, you know, me and Daniel and podcast, you know, but it's a very partial holistic comprehension process that most Bitcoins or podcasts or all these people in Bitcoin space, they go into the rabbit hole, right, of central bank of money.

But I think we need to open up totally 360 degrees because it's not like you have to stick to the

evil stuff. You know, it's like, it's going to make you fucking insane and crazy. I mean, have you you know we all been there right sometimes like i wish i i wouldn't have known all this all this shit you know i wouldn't have you know read all these books but like no you gotta go just once at least once down this evil evil rabbit hole and then come out it's like what the fuck i mean we have the solution with it is you know technologies that's been suppressed for so many decades bitcoin

is the root solution that is you know it's like absolutely limited non-confiscatable totally decentralized but it is a critical mass but we have the solution but but in order to you know apply the solution we need to understand right the cause the root causes and the root people sorry am i from around yeah it's all right yeah i mean but they're not interested in solutions that deprive them of the you know one of their major ways of gaining wealth are they you know

bitcoin yeah absolutely i mean i'm not an expert on it i'm not a bitcoinist per se but i mean i understand what it is and how it works very broadly uh but that does not suit their vaulting ambitions does it i mean you know they use the monetary system in order to enrich themselves massively constantly and they couldn't do that with bitcoin so you know that's that's not even an option for them this is why it's probably demonized at every turn as the demonize other

things that go against their insidious agendas you know of all times we're seeing a turn at the moment john and it's very worrying because yes it has been demonized for well forever uh you know call it what you want um internet geek money or it's boiling the oceans it's bad for the environment the classic right you know always everything's bad for the environment right that's the first thing because everybody is still transfixed and this idea of climate change and

global warming and we're all gonna die in a furry you know fiery ball of death like um that that's still the fear that people have out there and so they can use that but what's happening there's been a subtle shift now over the last year uh you'll probably start picking up on it now now we've spoken about it but it's being talked about in the mainstream media and it's being talked about um by wall street as well and wall street are now coming in and they're going to start offering

bitcoin backed loans to people so give us your bitcoin and we will give you fiat currency in return which we can print at will and then we'll charge you usury on it and then we will most likely manipulate the price up or down sideways or whatever we want to do with it because we have the etf inflows now that we can do over here and we can pull all of this magic out the hat we've got options written on top of these etfs so we've got our financial wizardry you know this

has taken them three or four years to really start um you know swaying the opinion of the sec and who's always in bed with them anyway. And now we've got Trump, the crypto guy.

So it's all being set up for what I think is gonna be a rug pull of many people Bitcoin because they want it Like they wanted the gold like they want So if you can print fiat currency as a central bank if you can print fiat currency and give it to your government and charge them usury on it i interest that any percent anything over half percent is usury because it's as you pointed out with um the credit river case classic name by the way credit river

how good is that yeah um you know you any interest uh levied on money that didn't exist in the first place is usurious so it's pure usury print that money you give it to the government and you charge them usury on it why would you want that back you don't want to be paid back in the thing that you can print what you want is the land you want the assets you want the copper the gold the tin the silver mines the diamond mines you want that this is where the environmental uh protection agency

came like that was roosevelt i think uh like let's create this and that's just a front for we've just given all this land to the banksters it's like the national parks that's owned by these people because that's the only way you can pay off the debts because they don't want the ship back that they can print whenever they want so when they can't do that with bitcoin the only way they can get it is to take it by you know offering you the a deal that you can't refuse

or some executive order uh so this is yeah it's a worry let's put it this way i just hope people are self-custodying their bitcoin and you know it's not left on an exchange or being you know they're not going to listen to the siren song of interest yeah yeah very good point yeah yeah Simon Dixon has been warning about this. I mean, he's one of the analysts I really respect, geopolitically, macroeconomically, monetary. He's like, super. He's like, they're going to rock-pull you.

You know, just follow the money, follow the control structures. You know, they're going to rock you. They want your Bitcoin. That's exactly what he said. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you're right. I mean, it's exactly the same situation in the 1930s with gold. Yeah. They wanted the gold. And so they come up with some, you know, pretext for taking it. And, you know, they'll probably try to do the same with Bitcoin, whether they'll be successful or not. I don't know.

You've probably got a better handle on that than me, Daniel. I don't know. Yeah, well, history doesn't repeat, but it rhymes, right? And Executive Order 6102, that was issued by FDR within his first week. I think the first order he put down was the Emergency Banking Act.

uh and um i mean this is how he won right how we're told he won um he was he was selected we know that and then controlled by um colonel mandel house who was uh you know the the rothschild agent right there and um i've got that book back here somewhere philip drew administrator like people are probably not even aware of that book yeah which is basically the he's the karl marx of america for for want of a better um analogy uh yeah he he was completely controlled to

to get that gold into the the idea was that you would turn the gold into your nearest uh federal reserve partner bank i mean it's there it's all in the writing uh you know down to just the personal holdings all the way up to the corporate holdings and then with a flick of a pen they change the price on the uh the price of gold per ounce and um completely rugfled everybody it's it yeah but we're not told this stuff we have to go looking for it ourselves absolutely yeah and uh

it's just i mean history is just absolutely replete with that kind of theft of some kind whether it be land, gold, Bitcoin, you know, it's just, it just goes on and on and on and on. And it's the same sorry bunch of people who are perpetrating all this stuff. Multi-generational families who rule the world. You know, I, you know, I get sick of hearing myself saying this and you're in my talks and podcasts, but, you know, it's a tiny cabal of people that rule the world, not governments.

Governments are an irrelevance. they're just there to make us believe that we have a say in our own futures well we don't you know whatever whichever government excuse me gets elected they will follow the agenda that's prescribed from up here you know be that you know in in the uk the labor party the conservative party and people are now kind of turning to reform because it's something different the reform uk party well all that will happen is if reform ever looked like possibility of getting

into power they'd be infiltrated as well and they'd be controlled so it's pointless you know i always say to people you know don't vote it's pointless because the government always gets in clown show with my voting you know i mean this whole democracy construct is such a i mean such a clown construct, you know? So, you know, I mean, I'm hoping to just, you know, maybe finally wrap this up, John and Daniel. I mean, do you see, like, how do you think things are going to play out?

Or do you think we're going to reach a critical mass? And, you know, Daniel has been talking about, like, self-custody Bitcoin. I mean, I'm hoping we're going to reach a critical mass where people start, you know, self-custody. It's going to become not only store of value, medium exchange, unit account, merchant adoption.

But then this is how I think we're going to just isolate, it or what do you call it like decentralize ourselves you know like little lights on all the whole planet and and yeah and create our own civilization or breakaway civilization i don't know how do you think things are going to play out uh well personally i think that there will be there will come a tipping point when and i think you know we're slowly edging our way towards it

now because so many people are awake now you know even in very minor ways um you know compared to it was like when i first kind of came into this very strange world that i now inhabit um the world of truth as some people call it you know you know when back in 97 when i first kind of became aware um i didn't know anyone else at all that felt the same way as i did and it was like about a year after that that i discovered david hight's work um and that kind of helped me down the road but

you know i was just i was just like a alone in this very strange world and nobody would believe me about anything at all no matter what i tried to say but now i notice that that has gone exponential really i mean we still you know way down the scale uh in terms of everyone being awake but i think it will and i don know how long it take i mean it might not even be in my lifetime or even

you guys lifetime but uh it will happen there will come a tipping point because i you know i'm i'm uh i'm kind of a bit of a romantic and i believe that good always triumphs over evil in the end maybe you know we'll lose a lot of battles but i think we'll win the war yeah um it's funny you brought up ike we haven't talked about ike at all uh probably um one of one of the most important people in this kind of movement whatever you want to call it uh yeah i

need to dig into more of his work obviously he was cancelled very very early on with uh you know like the lizard people thing and he was made a mockery of i think he had his bad footing you know i think yeah he does it brilliantly you know yeah just zooms out and then goes the last thing about the reptilian stuff you know or whatever or you know soul stuff you know yeah but who knows man i you know whatever you know we've evolved from something somewhere and are there certain genes that stayed

in certain people and is that what can be linked to psychopathy you know these are the questions right hey van you to what you said at the beginning right let's never stop asking questions because as soon as we do yeah we're fucked i mean i don't i don't uh buy into everything that david ike says don't get me wrong i mean i like i like david i met him a couple of times he's a nice guy and i think he means well but i'm i think he's a little bit misguided in some ways um but that's you know

that's just my opinion i'm not saying i'm right and he's wrong uh that's could be the other way around quite easily um but i basically i take a lot of the stuff that he says with a bit of a pinch of salt really i mean i don't i don't subscribe to it but it was very instrumental in in waking me up because he you know he broached subjects that i wasn't even aware of and it kind of you know expanded my mind so i'll always be grateful to him for that at least you know

and you said something at the beginning john about frequency and i think uh i've heard david talk about that about like the the low level frequency as long as our frequency is uh suppressed then we're we're much easily controllable yeah controllable more easily led into believing certain things and then you look around in this country i know it's happening all over europe uh all over the world actually these 5g towers that are just going up everywhere this is linked

to frequency like if people can't make that direct you know if they can't connect those dots i don't know what's going on but there's a guy called barry trower another british guy lives down in the southwest if you just anybody listening just google barry trower and listen to one of his presentations about 5g and radio waves and microwaves this guy's an ex-military specialist in this stuff and yeah it's uh that is linked to frequency and how we how do we lift ourselves

uh raise our consciousness raise our frequencies stop watching the news stop watching the televisions because they're all linked to all of this stuff and uh get outside more touch grass look up appreciate nature it's pretty basic but everybody's running on this hamster wheel and um like you i have hope i do uh because if not where would we be uh and uh the human spirit uh the homo sapien sapient spirit whatever will shine through and um that's that that's where i want to leave it

caveman so yeah over to you and i will say one last thing if i may um anyone listening out there the old don't be afraid that they want you to be afraid the only thing that you have to fear is fear itself and that's a very glib statement but it's also very true well beautiful is that But yeah, wonderful. John, yeah, I mean, you know, I love your work. Behind the Curtain, volume one and two, is like, you know, mandatory books on my bookshelf.

And I would really, literally, I mean, I would give it to any, you know, let's say young people, you know, whether they're going to school or not, just as a first, you know, rabbit hole to go and just ask more questions, be more curious. And I forgot to mention also, you know, Daniel Prince, also author of Choose Life or Choosing Life?

choose life choose life yes so yeah I'm hoping to have you back on maybe in the 6 or 12 months time for another discussion absolutely anytime it's been a pleasure alright Daniel any final words no thanks John thanks for your work thank you for everything you're doing really appreciate it yeah I've loved it I actually give a talk about usury and I want you to know there's a there's one of the slides has this book on it so

thank you i'm shilling it for you uh so the check's in the post daniel cheers thank you thank you both of you john daniel guys all the rest take care well thank you john thank you k van a big shout out to k van for setting that one up and inviting me on the show to discuss that one with john it was so much fun and i hope that we can do it again uh i've got to get the falsification of history or science i don't know which one yet and and get more and more into these

rabbit holes but the more and more i dig or the more and more i listen it all starts making sense and unraveling and you can start connecting the dots to figure out how we got to where we are right now and i'll keep on doing more podcasts like this because there's so much here so much for us to learn about because through the education system which was set up by john d rockefeder and his cronies you are not you are not told anything you the the the reason this this saying

history is written by the winners is so key is because it's the education system that's the delivery mechanism of that that's the tool that is and like i i am sorry teachers if there are any teachers listening right now i am not digging out teachers or pointing at teachers all i am saying is you are just as trapped in the system as the kids and you are being used as the tools to deliver this nonsense that we've been completely programmed into believing and it's two or

three generations deep now in earnest that the education system is the way it is and you can get into that by reading John Taylor Gatto's work if you if this is a particular subject that is really starting to ring a bell with you, going through your own hell, for want of a better word, from the age of two three four or five all the way up to age of 20 25 whenever it was that you finally got out of academia in air quotes go and read a book written by a teacher who was a state school teacher for

over 30 years who won awards whilst he was teaching go read john telegato he's the man weapons of mass instruction start there or dumbing us down two of his titles or if you want to get into the really big stuff the tome if you can find it anymore because guess what it's probably trying to be phased out you can get the uh the underground history of the education of the american education system and he links it all again to what i just said john d rockefeller and

a few other key players who know how to socially engineer us who are deep down eugenics and if you're if this is making you feel uncomfortable this whole episode or maybe you've been in a car with a spouse or a family member and they're just sitting there side-eyeing you listening to three crazies going on and on and on about complete and utter nonsense like a john f kennedy assassination or the sinking of the titanic or the the murder of princess diana all of this kind of stuff

if you feel uncomfortable there you're getting cognitive dissonance now we talked about this a little bit in the uh in the in the conversation i just want to read to you exactly what cognitive dissonance is it's mental conflict that occurs when beliefs or assumptions are contradicted by new information the concept was introduced by the psychologist leon festinger who lived between 1919

and 1989. In the late 1950s, he and later researchers showed that when confronted with challenging new information, most people seek to preserve their current understanding of the world by rejecting, explaining away or avoiding the new information or by convincing themselves

that no conflict really exists. Cognitive dissonance is nonetheless considered an explanation for attitude change this is why people get upset when you challenge what they hold most closely so when you bring up the education system and how that's been designed in a eugenic style fashion to socially engineer you and everybody around you and to keep you held down dumbed down as john telegetta would say to have all of the creativity creativity knocked out of you to

have all of the entrepreneurship knocked out of you to mold you into something you were never supposed to be because you spend eight hours a day in these little cells for 15 to 20 years when i present that to you your natural feeling is going to be no no no no that's ridiculous you can't say that nobody would ever be so evil it's good for them it's good for kids to be out there and socializing we need some kind of system because you can't have them just running around

the streets all day causing complete and utter chaos we need them in there we need them to learn what they need to learn they need to know about pythagoras at the age of 11 and algebra and they need to be able to do this this is all cognitive dissonance and you can apply cognitive dissonance to when you learn about the monetary system so as a bitcoiner when you're trying to orange pill people and you're getting that blank look they're like no no no that can't be true no no no this is

money it's been money forever what are you talking about they can't unravel they can't just take a step back and listen because the programming is so deep and you know these two examples like the medium of exchange that is the deepest as it gets that is what the discovery of a medium of exchange

is what lifted us from barbarism into what you might call civilization. I don't know, a big doubt hangs over whether we've ever lived in a civilization in our lifetimes because we've been forced into using a medium of exchange that is completely controlled by the powers that be

that set up the central banking systems around the world. So they can completely and totally socially engineer you through the money that we are forced to use and earn and pay them taxes in which they can print whenever they want they don't need that money back so they in debt governments by printing money by buying their bonds they in debt the governments further and further and further into debt which we are on the hook to pay for via the tax system but they don't ever want

that money back why would they want it back if they can print it if they can print the money they don't need the money what they want is to indebt the nation so that they can get the mineral rich lands whether that's copper tin uh cobalt lithium you name it aluminium well whatever it is that um they want the water this is this is the game this is how the whole thing was set up so we're running around using useless pieces of paper that are backed by absolutely nothing that

are basically debt discharging instruments because when i pay someone for the meal that i've taken my family up for with cash or with their even worse the credit cards or the debit cards or whatever i'm just discharging debt i'm not i'm not settling anything it's debt discharging instrument that's what's different about bitcoin because at bitcoin you have final instant settlement and you have a whole new this is what's so exciting about it like it's like we are rediscovering a medium

exchange all over again and you're here to witness it and you're listening to this podcast and others and your brain is getting completely and utterly bombarded from all angles and you are going to feel cognitive dissonance in many different areas but now embrace that when you feel that cognitive dissonance. When you hear that bell, you know that's the sign. That's the signal. That's not the noise. The signal is, whoa, hang on. You just said something. You just presented something to me

and I love it when it happens to me now because I realize it's the signal. I can start delving in. I spend another 45 minutes talking to that one person, asking them again, explain that. Explain me. Take me here. How does that link here? Then I can go away and find the books or find the podcast and start doing my own research and getting more comfortable with the subject. So I've ranted way longer than I was expecting after this one. But I hope this has all added

some value to you somehow. Please go and listen to Kay Van's show as well. Put that on your listening list and go check out John's books. You will not be disappointed. Thank you for listening. I'll catch you on the next show.