#95 | Cameron Allen | The Third House | Learning by Dancing in the Night World

In this episode we drop down into the third house , a house typically associated with the mind , early childhood , your local neighborhood and siblings associated with the mind , early childhood , your local neighbourhood and siblings Together we move into some deeper layers of what this house might be intimating to us . How do we really learn in childhood ?

We learn through our bodies , through play , through taking risks and realising we're okay at the edges of what we know . We explore the lunar frequencies down in this house dancing in the night , the direct experience and actuality of reality on offer down here , and how it can often be in tension with what we're told reality is from the broadcast in the night .

I hope you enjoy this episode . Feel free to reach out to Cameron or myself to let us know what arises for you while drifting along with our conversation , or myself to let us know what arises for you while drifting along with our conversation .

I'm going through this process this year , as you know , on the podcast of , of walking through all the houses and wandering around and , and the intention is to really enter them and inhabit them and spend time in them and be in the mystery of those houses .

And and what I'm excited about is it's it's bringing place , um , it's bringing place to the soul , and it's almost like I've never really contemplated the houses in this way before before starting off on this journey .

but I'm curious when I first reached out to you , you , you got quite excited about the third you were kind of like yeah , I could do the third , though I was like oh cool I felt like oh , this guy has something about the third , you know and so I'd really love to just feel from you . You know what excites you about this house yeah , totally yeah% .

You know , it feels like to me like the transmission coming and like turning alive in , like this much more we could say like feminine , lunar kind of way , that like the transmission , just like , yeah it , just like the transmission comes through and it starts to exist as the body .

You know , like to me it's like if we have philosophy on one side , we have embodiment , or like maybe some people would resonate with the word like tantric kind of thing . It's like descending the energy down through the body and making it come alive . That's something that I really really really strongly felt into of the ninth house .

But it's also , you know , when I heard mark jones talk about going around the wheel in a very different way than traditional astrology , you know we come out and we have a body and we kind of have object constancy or we don't , you know , and that like influenced our communication .

But also , you know , when we think of the third house as like early childhood education , what people have completely missed out of that is the movements of the body Right and find motor skills functioning and just knowing like that being like that is your early childhood education , you know .

It's like we are supposed to be out running around and playing and things like that . We learn how to communicate through um , competitive play with kids and like playing games and that all has to do with our body , you know . And so that just this just feels so alive to me in the third house . Because , yeah , I mean obviously too like if

we know , we try to be , we're so rational that , like we always , but we always forget that communication is so little about words and it's about your body language , the influxion of your voice actually , and it's not just about words that you're saying or your ability to say words in a coherent line in a specific language , when really it could just be the fact

that you're a dancer or like you know how to communicate through sound or you know these different ways of being able to communicate that actually to me hold much more truth than words , because words oftentimes are just like about association , but the truth of how I'm expressing myself is going to show up in the shape of my body and how I'm holding myself and so

I think that's like really , really , yes , I think that's the main reason why I love the third house , and it's also just like a . It's more chill and off to itself .

It's not really necessarily trying to like be like a star , but it's beloved amongst the locals , though at the same time , right , and so it's still , it also has that like neighborhood thing going on there and and I think that's like a really beautiful .

Yeah , I think that's a beautiful thing about the third house , something I was meditating on earlier too , and I was just like feeling and reaching into the third house .

You know , there's this thing they call derived houses , so , uh , every every house you get to , you can create a story based off of all the other houses as well , right , so we could say the 12th , the 12th house of the fourth house is the third house , and that could have a meaning or we can say the eighth house of the eighth house is the third house ,

which is super interesting . You know that one is super interesting because even in Jyotish or Vedic astrology they say the third house can really help with like things that are perceived as problematic , right , because it's the death of death , or like the release of a problem , basically Right .

And so in the way that I feel into that , even the eighth house having something to do with ancestry and stuff like that , and in the death of the death , is like like being able to like transmute or be in relationship with grief through allowing the goddess to move through you , right , and then even being the joy of the moon , then it's like , yeah , the moon

would allow that to take place in the night , in the depths of the night , where the third house exists right , yeah , yeah , I was particularly feeling into the joy of the moon in the in the third um , as you were talking there , and and how luna that frequency is , but that particularly struck me , the last line there , where , yeah , of course , the third house ,

um , because those of you that don't know the house system , like the third house is down the bottom , essentially .

between the two is the icy that goes down and that's the midnight point , that's like the darkest place , and so you do get that sense of the lunar frequencies in there . Like this is a very lunar house and I've really never thought about it this way , and so you're really bringing some illumination to this house .

And , as you say , all these things tend to be associated with the night , which of course has its place as well . But the ninth is like , uh , broadcasting some knowledge , right , like the ninth is .

The ninth is saying like here's the thing and um , here's what we've distilled , and this is no longer necessarily in , it's no longer necessarily embodied um , and in the community and in the neighborhood and in the felt experience .

Now it's like we've got some knowledge we want to share for the greater good of the greater people , you know , which is a noble act , but in the process can sort of leave behind . It can become very heavenly .

It's like becomes Zeus' knowledge and not Hermes' knowledge you know , it's like Hermes' knowledge is for everybody and he's just trying to steal it and share it as much as he possibly can right .

Steal it from any place that it gets stuck and then distribute it again , because he's the ultimate sort of Robin Hood figure , but he's stealing from those who are hoarding the knowledge and just getting it out there as much as he can , sort of thing . Yeah , but I love this element of the moon also being , yeah , like this is a it's .

It feels like a different way also to to approach the moon , as well as a different way to approach the third yeah , absolutely yeah .

So it's always something to think about too , like when we're in the dream and the sun goes through the third and illuminate something and communicate something to you , but not through philosophy , but through , yeah , just a different means of understanding . Yeah , just a different means of understanding .

And yeah , and then it would say in ancient times too , that , even though it was like sometimes it was just like a sentence or just a line , you know like dream oracles and stuff like that also would have to do with the third house as well .

And so , yeah , all these things are like really , really potent things to contemplate because , yeah , sometimes I think the third house , house , yeah , it just becomes communication , or like you know stuff like that and it's like , yeah , no , it is communication , but like we know that the dreams are communicating a lot of stuff there , right , and it's like we need

to like expand on like what type of communication ? Like embodied communication or oracular , spectacular , dream , divinatory communication .

third , in the way that we're talking about here , that , given that it's a sort of a just after midnight like place in a way , it's just like in that part of the night and the moon is in its joy there and we're in the deep dreaming hopefully we're getting towards the deep dreaming around that time .

It's taking us through those few hours of like midnight to two , two or three in the morning and we're just sort of moving in that really dark , still place of night or where , if we're awake , we're like up in the night , like experiencing night at that time as well .

And how different that is Like once you've passed over that threshold into the third and you're still out and about , and how often , if you're having a really great night out , those are the moments you want to stay around for , because that's kind of when anything can happen .

That often happens in dreams , but can also happen in our waking life . When we are in deep in the night world , right like deep in our night world consciousness , it's like we know that the truth isn't so , um , cut and dry , right ?

it's the first relational house as well , and so it takes us into that relationality and , uh , and the mind underneath these minds , that that speaks in relational tongues yeah , absolutely yeah , jason , jason holly , he one time I heard him call it the incarnational matrix , because you know , a lot of times people will say it's about the siblings .

The incarnational matrix is all these people who aren't necessarily exactly like your parents , but also they form and shape how you language , how you bring language to the world , and what was communicated is true , right , wrong , left , right up down .

We have people can go to church , you know , and that's the ninth house , but like what does , like the people around you say about , like how to embody that information and knowledge and how to carry it .

I think that's also like , yeah , really reflective there , even rituals and rites that also belong with it , whereas like somebody is teaching , like this knowledge , but if you don't burn the incense you might not be tapped in enough to actually feel what's really going on in a felt sense , like to actually bring it down and incarnate the energy .

beautiful about going to church as a kid is here was a place that nobody was drinking , you know , nobody was . Um , you know we weren't going to like . It was free , essentially , apart from putting some cash in the in the collection .

Um , we all gathered together , we all sort of paid attention to something and afterwards we'd all catch up and have a good chat outside and and that was really the point is like that talk that we'd have outside and you know you're standing outside , it's a beautiful sunday , you know , this is how I remember it and uh , and there's this conversation going on ,

checking in how are you ? What's going on ? You're doing that once a week and it's not down at the pub and it's not at the sporting thing , it's not at work and it's not in the family . It's like something outside of all of that , you know .

So there is a , there's a , there's a reverence to all of that , that world , yeah , and then the building of a community , mind maybe you know , because that is the , that is the mind in which you're really implanted , not just within your family , but within your family as also part of many other families .

And yeah , your family as also part of many other families . Um , and yeah , it feels to me like that's such an important part of reality that can often get lost because we get into these screens and we get . We get more isolated the more we're like .

things and we have to be mindful , even if it is in that place or space as all these other things , and we have to be mindful , even if it is in that place or space , that we don't allow it to replace , like what that actually means .

You know , because it's like before it was maybe newspapers in the newspaper , maybe , which before newspapers they were maybe even just bulletins that you were putting up on the board at church Right and then that was the news or the information that was spread to create connectivity .

Um , there'll be arguments and conversation around that , and which is all healthy , and then , you know , then we can keep moving with the new things that are coming along . And now we're just like bombarded and it's like . It's like a . I feel like the 24-hour news cycle is like a bombardment of the third house .

In a way , it's like too much information , that , so that you can't do the lunar process of like , oh , let me just sit with those images . You know , like , oh , I can feel some nasty things going out in the world . I better take that into the morphic field of my dreams so that I can feel how that hits me personally .

I can feel into whether I can do anything about that or not , what I need to accept , what I need to change and all these kinds of things that can only really go on in that deep morphic place . Yeah

, um , but instead we're sort of like it's almost like we're kept out of , uh , the the lunar part of that and we're expected to sort of enter the nights with fully formed , clear opinions , you know on on these things , which is like it's impossible , you know yeah totally , yeah , exactly it's , yeah , it's .

You know , like if we were to be in this house and be in this environment and we've sort of got the sense of the lunar and the embodied and the , the way that information is relational and shared , you know , is there anything that while we're looking around in here , that you may have missed , or something that's flirting with you from this house that wants your

attention ?

And just going outside and actually having a direct experience of that . You know , and you will start to experience yourself in this like very in-between state , and you will be able to experience the multiplicity that actually exists at that time of night , especially depending on how much the moon is bright or not .

You know , I think that is always the best way to go about it , just like actually have a true , real experience of what's actually happening there . Yeah , yeah , it . Just like actually have a true , real experience of what's actually happening there .

Yeah , yeah , because even you know , just thinking about like cycles and ideas , you know the third house also being very , yeah , the the joy of the moon , but also like where they would have goddess worship and just knowing like the lunar cycle or a woman's cycle , even just like considering the fact that it's not necessarily always 20 , 20 something days exactly ,

and it's just like it's moving and it's shifting at all periods of time .

And also , yeah , maybe sometimes I even have looked to that to give me more information or data on , like how can I drop deeper into like a more third house experience of things and just watching the waxing and waning of the actual moon , but also watching the , the waxing and waning , and like experiencing the joy , experiencing the joy of observing the moon , and

like an actual incarnated woman as well , and all those things have taught me so much . You know , just yeah , because there's things you are are not supposed to do in the ninth house , because everybody can see you , but in the third it's it's a lot a bit different there yeah , you got the cover of night there .

He's , uh , he steals the cattle at sunset and then he spends the rest of his night , basically , you know , walking them backwards and with his backwards , facing shoes and all that kind of craftiness .

But it's in the night where he takes all of those cows , probably when the moon is like in the fourth , heading into the third , around that icy point of midnight , that he sacrifices the cows to the gods right , that he does his deep , that he actually becomes not all that Hermes-like and that he's not such a trickster .

At that moment His energy becomes like the Virgo side , I would say , of Mercury-Hermes consciousness and he gets very quiet and still and performs rites and rituals and he does it exquisitely and perfectly . And it's really interesting because he's like yes , at the very start of the story he's .

It states very clearly that he's very hungry and he's very hungry , specifically for meat . And then , as he's cooking up the cows , uh , he can smell the smell , and as it's apollo's cattle , right , so I mean you can only imagine the the smell that's coming . But he doesn't eat it .

So it states that he's hungry for meat , but then , because he's in a reverent , he's in the reverence of his process of deep lunar third house consciousness . At that moment , through this ritual , um , he's able to resist that sacrificing the meat of this world for the other world , so sacrificing this for for what he knows , will be much more nourishing .

Um sustenance from the other world .

Yeah , he talks about that in like ancient astrology Leo was there and , uh , cancer was there , and then eventually aries , sort of like , took the helm and took over as the first . Uh , which is which makes sense too . You know , coming out of pisces into aries makes sense .

But I think , you know , one of the things is like , you know , thinking about this in terms of the solar system , how we used to think the earth was in the middle . Now we think the sun's in the middle , and then what's the next evolution ? of that , and I was thinking about the concept of polycentrism , which would be that anything could be in the middle .

Um , I think that's probably the reality of our solar system . It's just like a whatever you put in the middle , I think . Um , nicholas champion talked about this campion champion , anyway , he talked about this in one of his articles .

He talked about that of like , actually it's difficult mathematically , but you can put anything in the middle because it's space , right , and obviously the easiest mathematics is put the sun in the middle , but actually everything's moving around everything else . Um , so sort of same theory with , uh , you can experiment with .

That is what I'm hearing from you , especially what you said about , like , the eighth house of the eighth house is the third and you know that way of kind of like playing around with it .

than hearing the words from the people , um , who are like the language of astrology , rather than hearing the words from the people who are like the scholars of astrology and you know , listening more to the embodied wisdom of the system and of the science . That is the art .

But I also love the dance , like your nodal dance of ninth and third , you know , because I really do love that , like , for instance , thank God Jung lived right and did his thing yeah , oh my God , because he just left behind so many doors for us all and was such a prolific writer and his whole position was ninthth House position , right , like he had to

present that .

It can be sort of a disembodied sort of head floating around there until until you've you've tried it on . You know , and I think that's also the beauty of third house . Wisdom is to okay , we'll try it on , and and that's why I love the best ninth house stuff is really like , don't take my word for it .

Like what jung said about synchronicity is like you really don't have to believe me here about synchronicity . Go and see if it happens in the world . Yeah , like take it out into the world and see if synchronicity is a thing . There's no point in sitting back here and theorizing about synchronicity .

Yeah , yeah , but this sort of dance that , as you say , the dance that goes on , the interaction between the two , yeah , Something else about the third house too that you know doesn't necessarily get brought up so much , but from a medical , astrology perspective it also it does rule , like the places where Gemini rules essentially so , like the shoulders , the arms ,

the forearms , the hands , the fingers , and and how that goes right back into communication as well . When we're talking and we're moving our hands and we're gesturing

and things like that , that can be also like a really potent way . You know , it makes me even think about , uh , mudras as communication . So for those that don't know , mudras , it's like they can be , they can be , it could be you can use other things besides your hands , but it's different ways to position your hand to connect energy channels in the body .

And then also there was um , like a gestural language with the divination system called geomancy as well , and so there's like always , like with geomancy , you have these like four lines and based off if your fingers in or out , you you can like , show , you can like , do a symbol of like the geomantic figure with your hands as well , and so , like all these

different things it's just like tell me more about that .

yeah , so with geomancy , basically , you're , you're casting something , let's say , and you'll either get a line or a dot okay right , okay yeah and so if you have a , if you have a dot , your finger will be in and if you have a line , your finger will be out .

Okay , so there's these six , there's these 16 geomantic figures that you , that you can have and , based off of how the lines and the dots are casted you would have . So , if you had four lines , you would just put all four fingers out . If you had one line missing , you would put that finger in instead of a dot , you would just put that finger in .

And that that energy of just putting that out , if you know , if you have a connection or relationship with that system of divination , you could be communicating something to someone , or like even , like you know , sometimes lately I've been going outside and looking towards a planet and I'll put up this , this , the hand signal of the geomantic figure of that planet ,

just to see if it like understands that communication mechanism in relationship or connection to me , which again is , you know , so , third house .

It's like I couldn't even yeah , it's just so third house , and and I've actually , like , experienced , I started started having experiences of things that I won't share now because it's still in process and there's a multitude of ways that I think that it's still wanting to tell me things and I'm still such a child in it , in this like system or in this process .

But yeah , there's just another way of communicating and yeah , all these things , I just they just continuously wrap around each other over and over again .

You know , kind of like yeah , like I would even say like the dreamscape , and now , like my dream from last night , wrap around , wraps around the one from two weeks ago and wraps around one in five months , and I don't even think about it as anything linear at all , but they just continuously wrap around one another and you kind of just know which ones belong

together , even though it seems like to the rational person that it's just a shit storm and like there's just things thrown everywhere seemingly . But you know , when you wake up from that dream , you know exactly where to go .

we haven't captured it in the 12th , it's usually gone , unless it's just kind of like flashback at you in the middle of the day , um , but it's interesting .

When you were saying all of these parts , like the shoulders and the arms and the fingers and the hands , and how this is all very third house stuff , it made me contemplate , or an idea popped into my mind , and I don't know if it's got juice or not , but we can find out of Chiron , because , of course , cairo means hands , and I wonder if part of Chiron's

world , given that he was on the other side of Mount Olympus , given that he lives in the other side of mount olympus , on , given that he lives in mount pelion , um , which is not in the glitz and glamour of the ninth house olympians , right , it's down on the , in the caves down there , um , and to find chiron is its own kind of task .

You know , you've got to . Even I actually went and found chiron's cave , uh , when I in Greece last year , oh wow , and it's like you kind of get a pin on a map and you just like I drove my car . I was just on this like solo trip little side quest I was on , I drove my car and just parked on the edge of this massive road .

I walked over this road and then I just sort of saw a sign . I couldn't read the sign . I was like maybe that's the sign . And then saw a sign I couldn't read the sign . I was like maybe that's the sign .

And then went through and then kind of threw all this shrub and over a fence and things and then just walked for a while and it looked like almost a path , like there was almost a path there .

So I just followed that along and went up a little hill and then it opened into this enormous and beautiful cave , um , just south of pelion actually , and I just lay down in there . Some people had drawn chiron on the cave , on the cave walls and stuff . You know , just kind of like playing around , um , but yeah , just lying down in there .

But you know , I'm thinking about chiron , maybe with a connection to this house , um , also being the teacher of asclepius and others , but Asclepius in particular , and his role as shaman and half horse , half human and half divine , half mortal , and all of that kind of stuff , and maybe that's the kind of creature and also just a morphed creature of , like a

combined hybrid creature . It's very third house in itself isn't it .

with that a little , a bit more . But that's interesting . I don't even know Chiron meant like hand , but I literally have the symbol of Chiron right here on my wrist . Oh , wow Cause it came specifically because it came to me in a dream and it like just showed me .

It just showed it to me and it like stamped it on my wrist and then it like pulled up and then it was there and something interesting about it too . It just was like a , a . There also was like a web inside of it , like inside of the circular part of there was a web inside of that , something about that . But that's , that's interesting .

You put together the hand and then it came to me in a dream and yeah anyway , yeah , all the thoughts are like starting to swirl around a little bit there .

It could be okiho , which doesn't even sound all that greek to me , but it means like a flowing river . Her name means like flowing river and um as there's this moment in in ovid's metamorphoses where she she sort of like pops out .

She's been maybe asleep , actually , maybe she's been dreaming and she pops out on chiron and and tarikla were there , and she starts prophesying like she can't help herself and she's like oh , my god , yeah , I can see what's going to happen . You're going to like it's glee pious , this baby .

You don't even know him yet , but he's going to be delivered to , you're going to have to be a foster father and then you're going to have to take care of him .

And then also , at one point , hercules is going to be here and he's going to , his arrow is going to hit your leg and you're going to be injured and you won't be able to heal it and like and then zeus is looking down . He's like she's going to give the whole game away if she keeps going like this .

You know , like that she's about to prophesize everything for everyone and Zeus doesn't want that to happen , right ? Because in a way , if we all knew exactly what is going to happen , we would be in a psychotic state , wouldn't we ?

It would be too much for the humans to know , right , we wouldn't actually be able to enter the third if we have too much night , in a way , yeah , and so she starts to transform into a horse , wouldn't actually be able to enter the third if we have too much night , in a way , and yeah , and so he starts .

She starts to transform into a horse and , um , because this transforms her from that form into a horse and then she becomes full horse , full mare , and then she runs off , uh , into the countryside .

So I always think about that connection that that chiron actually does have , even through that myth of his daughter and prophecy , um , and you know , divination and these kinds of things I think divination is is really that , because you mentioned it when I was talking about the dreaming , and I think that divination really is the often the missing piece , um , that

the west is really done with . Right , it doesn't want anything to do with all that divination , because the forked tongue and the snakes and things like that and you know , like it's all devil's work or whatever , which , yeah , yeah , yeah but you know prophecy , maybe links to the third as well 100 ?

From what I've seen , let me say that you know , because there's so much more material out there , of course , yeah , what I've seen there's not really as much separation as far as like thinking of it , as like in high regards when it comes to like divinatory things and stuff like that . You know , third house is like very , very potent right .

Even they would say like , um , there's this specific point called a lot of spirit . You know , and a lot of spirit you . If it's in the ninth house or the third house , they would say it would point to someone who's like a can do prophecy , who has prophecies wow yeah and so , yeah , it could be really .

Yeah , just certain things being even , like , I think , also Mercury being in the third or the ninth . It doesn't necessarily like , let's say , mercury was in the third or the ninth , it wouldn't necessarily say that this person gets all the dreams , but it potentially could mean that this person is a translator or interpreter of the omens , Right .

So , they're able to sort it out .

So there was a relationship that had to be built between those so that it wasn't translated out , the meaning wasn't lost , but it was still able to translate over , which translation would also be the third . And , of course , what could get lost from the lunar frequencies into the words ? Oh my God .

So all those things are just like really intertwining there and yeah , I just , I just think that's really beautiful , like like you're , you're just hitting it , like you're , it's so cool too , right Cause we're even talking about like the , the combination of like linear information and then like intuitive just knowing .

Yeah , almost every turn of this conversation you're saying something and like that's in the field , and I'm like , oh , yeah , and here's a data point about that as well , you know it's great .

And then I wonder if we just sit for a second and just see if there's any other uh , anything else like in the corners of the room or you know , maybe under the bed or something like , something you know that we haven't quite found yet , or that is it maybe a surprise to both of us ? You see what pops up . Did you find anything ?

You know , I remember hillman talking about this of the day world is very monotheistic , right , because there's just one god there there's just the sun and you can't see any of the stars . and you can sometimes see the moon , but only very barely

. But in the night world , yeah , it's very polytheistic , right , they're all there , yeah , and although the moon is , the lunar frequency is ruling over it . All the others are around .

Okay , interesting . Yeah , like I would actually experience like different identities within myself , right , so it would be something as simple as don't like I like sometimes I'll wait , and it was specifically with my staff .

Like I have a staff and I would wake up , go get my staff , go outside and I would start spinning it and then , like I would be like somebody else , I'll be somebody else and I'll be spinning the staff and as soon as that like daylight version of me would come in , it was just like hit myself in the head or get clumsy because , like , trying to like ,

trying to do it and not just like allowing , like whatever version of me thinks that I'm cameron , like to remove itself and like another . Yeah , it just made me think about the moon and evolutionary astrology and I talk about it's like the emotional identity .

It was like a new emotional identity would just like arise out of me and just to go out there and just like in the remembrance of like spending the staff and yeah , that always , that always like really blew my mind .

I haven't really even talked to anybody about that much , besides maybe my partner and like a few other people , but yeah , something about when you said the monotheistic and polytheistic , I was like , oh wow , yeah , cause I had different identities approaching me or come up or awaken around that time of night . Wow , yeah , that's that's .

Yeah , that's what's coming through and I love that .

So we've got this ability to say , yeah , that's okay to have that main self , but also check these out , you know , like check these other guys out .

And you know how curious , even just on the level of again , even just on the level of again , back to my just being out and about at night and what happens after midnight and the freedom that those other selves , that polytheistic , that other self , those other selves , they feel free in that environment to come forward .

Right yeah , absolutely they feel more forward . Right yeah , absolutely they feel more free .

We're in a podcast , but then it's nice to just have a little chatter going in in the background of like , oh yeah , and there's also some , you know , because it is the chatter of the other frequencies that are in the background , that in the day world they don't get to be there , right ?

but in the uh but once the gods are down right , once the gods of the persona , or the gods of the ascendant or who I need to be in the world , those gods have come down and , um , there's a really beautiful authenticity to that , to yeah , yeah , oh my gosh .

Cameron will be there , I'll be there , some others that you know will be there , and it's going to be like this it's going to be living , it's going to be breathing , it's going to be exploratory and it's going to be very third-housey , wandering around in it and of it and not sort of talking about it and at it .

So , amazing man , can you tell us , like , if people want to find out more about your work or , you know , maybe have a session with you or learn with you , what can they do ?

Maybe the youtube page will be called cadreamplanet or it might end up getting this title of holistic medical astrology to like , maybe like push myself further , to like start combining all these different ideas that I was so , um , interestingly sharing , because I haven't actually shared it much at all , and but , yeah , I might , I might have so the youtube page you

should look out , for if you go on my website , it'll be there . You'll be able to see it . But yeah , those are the two things that I would say . And and also , maybe subscribe to my newsletter on my website and you can get all the details there and stuff like that . So , yeah , that'll be it awesome .

Well , thank you for sending us this transmission today , and it's just been an absolute pleasure , and I feel like there's so many more things to come , um , so many more things to come .

So , yeah , thank you , man uh , appreciate your work appreciate what you're doing in the world and um it's really , it feels to me um important stuff , so keep at it same same brother appreciate you and thanks everyone who's here and made it to the end of this journey with us .