¶ Introduction to On the Soul's Terms
Welcome to On the Soul's Terms podcast , a weaving of astrology , greek mythology and depth psychology
¶ Meet Chris Skidmore: Astrologer and Therapist
. I'm Chris Skidmore , an astrologer , psychotherapist and craniosacral therapist living in Ubud , bali . Welcome to the show
¶ Welcoming Kira Sutherland to the Podcast
. In this episode , I'm joined by the incredible Kira Sutherland , astrologer , naturopath and expert in medical
¶ The Connection Between Astrology and Well
astrology . Kira brings a wealth of knowledge about how astrology can help us understand our physical and emotional well-being . We first met at the Federation of Australian Astrologers Conference , and I was immediately struck by her unique perspective , bridging ancient astrological wisdom with modern health practices
¶ Planetary Influences on Physical Health
. In our conversation , we explore the planetary influences on the body , how different signs and houses relate to health , and how we can use astrology as a preventative tool for well-being
¶ Moving with Mars: Exercise and Energy
. We also dive into Mars and movement , the balance of Saturnian discipline and Neptunian flow , and the ways mythology is embedded in our anatomy . It's a fascinating , rich discussion , one that will leave you with practical insights to explore in your own life
¶ Practical Applications of Medical Astrology
. So , whether you're a seasoned astrologer or just dipping your toes into medical astrology , this episode has something for you . Kira Sutherland , welcome to the show . Thank you for coming on .
Thanks for having me . I'm so excited yeah .
I'm so excited to talk to you For the audience . Kira and I just met recently , a couple of months ago , at the federation of australian astrologers conference , which was at surfers paradise in queensland . Shout out and thoughts to everybody that's on that coast right now facing the cyclone . Do you have friends up there , kira ?
that's so many . Yeah , I've been texting lots of people . Yeah , everyone's . Yes . Lots of sandbags , lots of doing .
Yeah .
I've heard all these crazy stories . And they're just kind of saying it's the quiet right now , before it comes .
That's what I'm getting from my friends as well . Is that eerie , eerie , steadiness going on ? I know .
And it's weird . I mean we're in different countries , but it's weird sitting down in Sydney because it's like stunning and beautiful and there's not a bit of wind and I'm like it's so it's so weird to think people are in chaos at the same time that you're just sitting here , super comfy yeah , just just a little bit down the coast and everything's just fine .
It's very strange . It is very strange well .
I was up there only two weeks ago actually oh , were you okay ?
yeah , oh , what were you doing up there ?
naturopathy work I was capturing , yeah , yeah yes , and health retreating actually , I went self-care , which is today's topic anyway that is the topic went to a very , very swish health retreat to support somebody going through cancer treatment . I kind of went as their support person , so that was actually amazing , yeah , incredible .
Well , I mean , that does take us into you know you introducing you , and you're a naturopath but also an astrologer and many other things Such a unique perspective that you bring . That's why , immediately upon meeting you and attending your lectures , I was like , well , definitely got to get kira on the show to chat about your angle . You know what you ?
I think what was really inspiring for me , given that that was the first astrology conference I've been at , was just to kind of get these different perspectives and different angles , different ways that people work with astrology .
I guess when people aren't so familiar , they just think astrology is maybe one thing , maybe a couple of things , but it really is a broad and open field in which you can work in so many different ways yeah , I .
Sometimes people say what they do and I'm like I don't . I've been in astrology for a long time . I still don't know what half of what people they're like oh , I do this style . I'm like , oh , okay I don't quite know what that is , but it sounds fun .
It always sounds good yeah there's hundreds of styles of astrology yeah , so many , and I think that was really inspiring . And to see where you know what my work is is the mythic layer of it . The psychological mythic sort of fits in .
It's nice to feel its little spot within that , but also to see it as part of a much greater whole actually gave me a lot of relief and a sense of rest into that . But I was particularly inspired by the things that you do . I'd love for you to introduce , if you're up for it , a little bit of like how did you get here ? How on earth or in heaven ?
did you become this in this life so I , oh my gosh , um , I'm for . Well , for the Australians who don't think I sound Australian , but I live here . I'm American born , but don't hold .
Yeah , just , I'm American born , but I've lived a lot of my life in Europe and then in my early 20s , late teens , I was in Europe and then I moved to Australia and I've been here for like 30 odd years , so my accent will go in and out . I apologize . I always focused on health .
I come from a family that's like half healthy , half not healthy , and so that became a big thing early on , because I didn't want to go down that path of unwellness and so I was studying nutrition . And then I found naturopathy while I was living in Europe and because it didn't really exist in the form I use it now in the US .
At that time it was very underground . So I started studying naturopathy and nutrition and was always interested in astrology , as most astrologers have played with it for years and years as a kid even I may or may not have been my high school's astrologer , and I just made it up .
Oh my goodness , is that right ? I just made it up .
I didn't even base it on anything . It was so random , that's so good , that sounds terrible though . So I started studying astrology at the same time as naturopathy , and then my teacher introduced medical astrology .
When you're studying astrology , they often just little , little tidbits of other styles , and she was talking about body astrology and I was like wait a second . And at the same time , in naturopathy , I was frustrated that people were off doing Ayurveda and traditional Chinese medicine and they were looking at the elements and the meridians and the .
I was like we must have that in the west . Where's old and philosophical ? Where when is it ? And it's in medical astrology . We just lost it .
Three or 400 years ago , medicine basically removed most of the energetics of healing , which was very much based on the elements , and astrology , and psychology kind of took over the temperaments into personality typing , so some of it got lost into psychology and then the rest was just thrown out . And so yeah , for me that's how I found it .
It was I needed a tool to look at mental , emotional , spiritual , physical . I needed all those levels and that medical astrology was that for me . So yeah , that was about 30 years ago . I kind of really stumbled on it and then just started using it , but I couldn't find a local teacher and so it was books and just practice .
And so the way I do medical astrology is not it's .
I use it more as a preventative tool or as a guide of assessment into how to work on your health , whereas some people doing medical astrology in more traditional lines it again there's five different camps or styles of medical astrology , but I I stay to a very what to go do with your health proactive way does that make sense yeah , it makes total sense , and
I'm looking in the background there I'm seeing all these tinctures and all this kind of stuff as well .
So I yeah the little apothecary the yeah , the little herbalist going on in the background is very cool oh yeah , there's a lot of stuff there yeah , it's . You know , I'm even so intrigued at what might be in the background there . But I just want to pick that up of what you said , because that's a really fascinating area for me of as westerners .
We do have a tendency to go over to the east and look at daoism or look at the meridian system in the chinese , or ayurveda , as you said , these kinds of things where there's a system that's alive and well , where it is looking at more of the multiple dimensions of the human being and temperaments and different styles and all of these things , and that has
always . I've always really kind of gotten a lot from that . But also , just as you're saying here and of course Cameron Allen was talking about it as well , who I'll have on the podcast soon too- amazing he's so cool . So , yeah , all of these lost parts of the west of like what ?
What forced us into looking over to the east in the first place is that rift that happened about 300 years ago , which kind of aligns with the industrial revolution and the enlightenment church and the church and all of these kinds of things .
So this kind of like hyper-rationalism on the one hand , the church on the other hand and industry on the third of our three hands is , yeah , it's like this rift and I think it's a particularly interesting .
That's why you know , part of what I was talking about in in at the conference was the handless maiden and the cutting off of our hands and aligning that with that particular time in history and like how do we get the feel for our health again ?
And that's what I was really inspired by the way that you are able to translate these ancient ideas and and bring it into the everyday . And I think that was really something that I got from your lectures of like you're bringing it into the everyday where anyone can do something with any of this . And we talked about the days of the week .
That's something I could kind of implement straight away , Like the gods of the days of the week was one of Kira's lectures . It was just like very cool , very simple actually and really fun yeah .
And that's the thing you know . For people and health , health is . It can be incredibly complex , but keeping trying to keep healthy , trying to take care of yourself , actually goes just back . It's so simple . It's almost embarrassing when you look at how simple it is , yet incredibly difficult to implement in a modern life , right ?
How simple it is , yet incredibly difficult to implement in a modern life , right ? Because we're so busy and distracted and have so many other enticing things . You know that taste you know we have foods created for hyper palatable with foods created to be addictive , right .
So you know it's tricky taking care of yourself , so I love going back to that really simple and again this will go into astrology . That's six .
You haven't heard me lecture on the houses is a big thing for me , and that sixth house in astrology is considered the house of illness , but it's also the house of service to others and the house of kind of hard work and where we integrate things , and for me that also then translates into it's the house of preventative health .
It's the house where you put in the hard work and you're of service to your own physical , mental , emotional body and yeah , and it's not fun , like health is health's hard work . It's not fun , but it's there's ways to . I think there's ways to ritualize health or make it .
I think I guess what I do with clients and astrology is I'm like let's make health a sacred ritual .
Right , yeah , yeah , for sure .
Because sacred is more fun . I think , yeah , sacred ritual , that sounds so much better than you have to go exercise or you have to eat vegetables .
right , yeah , the sort of saturnian chores that we have to do in order to be healthy . That ends up being just another kind of like just running the mill in a way , you know , just trying it . I do think there's an element of making it fun , making it enjoyable and but this is interesting . So the so , maybe for the audience , how do we ?
How do we just assume no knowledge of this , assume that my listeners have no knowledge of medical astrology at all , and and bring in a few things like a few fundamentals of like what is it ? How do we ? How do we ? and , and I think what I'd love as an intention for this episode is some things like you mentioned the sixth house , it's like Virgo .
It's like things that you can use , things that you could take little nuggets from this chat . Yeah , practical things that you can just like people can just like apply straight away to see if it works and see if it doesn't .
Yeah , so , and am I assuming they ? How much astrology knowledge am I assuming they have ?
I mean my audience is , like some people , into the deeply into the astrology , but I didn't when I first got the podcast going . It's more mythological storytelling , you know , like wisdom of stories , kinds of things .
So then we can assume not a great deal of astrological knowledge , and if you're listening and you do have lots of astrological knowledge , and if you're listening and you do have lots of astrological knowledge . Thank you for listening in .
And yeah , of course there's going to be a very there's an array , but let's assume a lower level of astrological knowledge that's what I figured .
Okay , so the idea of medical astrology is if you take somebody's , you could just take somebody's sun sign , but if you're going to look at someone's whole natal chart , so if hopefully people have seen the circular natal chart , which is which is the way , the way I describe it is it's like if you looked up at the heavens the moment you incarnated and took your
first breath . It's the blueprint of the energetics you were gifted or the deal you made with , whoever you make your deals with .
Um , so to me it's like this blueprint of strengths and weaknesses and journeys that you've got to deal with mythologically , psychologically , but also physical , if we're going to go physical health , but there's other layers to health , obviously . So medical astrology is kind of looking at that for your physical strengths and weaknesses . And where . What parts ?
We you know , all the way back to Egyptian times , but potentially back to Babylonian . We have the division of the 12 signs into the body parts . It was referred to as Zodiac man and you know Aries is the head and then Taurus is the neck and like top of the shoulders , and it works its way down to Pisces being the feet .
But also then you have the immune system is Pisces , and I can go over those if you need . But so there's these rulerships of the signs to body parts , and then there's also rulerships of the planets to body parts and systems , and especially organs , and also just an energy that it's going to bring , like Mars , mars you know is action and drive .
It's your adrenals , which is your stress , produces your stress hormones . So it's very much about sport and doing and moving forward . It's a lot about physical exercise I always talk about . Where your Mars is is a great place to find a sport that you love , depending on what sign it's in or what house it's sitting in .
You will find your groove with exercise because it will be synchronicities . Is that a word I'm known for ?
making up , yeah synchronous , thank you .
So it's , yeah , but Mars is also inflammation and acute pain and it's heat and redness and swelling . It's Mars . Mars is red and inflammatory . It's Mars . Mars is red and inflammatory and like the God of war , and yeah , so there's this energetics to the planet .
So we kind of read the chart about your energetics and where , how to try to balance and that's , I guess , my forte in , I guess I would say I do naturopathic , medical astrology yeah , how to kind of support those areas , because astrology can be very negative in the oh , you have this problem that's going to be hard forever and it's like , well , you still have
to work with it , you still have to support it . So what can I do to support ? Yeah , it's all about what you can do for me right , I mean actually what we can do for our bodies , yeah , right and so .
so if we run with this mars and this is interesting because actually I here in bali , tennis is the main thing that I do and my mars is in gemini in the seventh house , on the cusp of the seventh , so how is that for a one-on-one sort of twinning , hitting back ?
and forth energy . Yeah , and it's using that . So Gemini rules the arms and the hands and the bottom of the shoulders , like your collarbone and your shoulder blade . So all the main muscles of gemini are used and it's as much . As as much as tennis is physical game , it's a thinking game . That's a big strategy game , right .
So the gemini loves that , right yes I have to think quick , I gotta do it and my , and then seventh house . You have to have a seventh house being the house of relationship . You , unless you're hitting against a wall , you literally have to have a relationship while you play that game yeah , and and do you play doubles ?
yeah , do you play doubles ?
okay , yeah , because that's also coming in the gemini twin . It's like , oh , I'll go play doubles yeah , exactly yeah , so you fit it and and it makes your heart happy to do that , right , that's .
Yes , for sure that's a sport . Yeah .
I do . My Mars is in Sag in the ninth , so that's a big running moving . Your like Sagittarius , is your bum , or your glutes , your hips and your thighs . It's all the power of that part of the body . And Sag loves freedom and speed . It's a little bit reckless and I love white . I love . My big thing is downhill skiing and running .
Yes .
But downhill skiing , I love that , just pushing it to that point where I know I'm fit enough , but I'm going fast enough that if something happens it's going to be a bit messy and that my ninth house loves that . It's like how , yeah , does that make sense ?
It makes a lot of sense .
We often pick sports like that yeah .
And , as you can hear , you know , I mean we're doing it quite automatically in a way . It's not like I think about that part of my chart and then choose tennis .
But you can also look at that , particularly if you have kind of a stagnant energy right , like if there's a , because I was thinking about this , I was talking to a friend last night and this idea within health about up-regulating and down-regulating , and sometimes when your system is stagnant , there's an up-regulation necessary , which is Mars would be the one that
kind of kick-starts things . The ruler of Aries , of course , scorpio as well , but the ruler of Aries is the ruler of the very first sign and it's the initiator and initiatory force that gets things going yeah , and a lot .
It rules the adrenals . You know mars and aries is the adrenals and that produces your adrenaline and your cortisol and your , you know , exercise creates a bunch of hormones and chemicals in the body that make you feel really good . As much as we know we need to do it for our physical health , sport is it's .
It's a good , healthy drug for the brain yeah , for sure .
And you know it's interesting just to reveal a bit more here .
I was just thinking that recently I've taken on a personal trainer , or for the last year and that's also very Mars Gemini 7th , if I think about it , right Like having somebody else show up and to help me to do my things and to basically twin it out with me and , you know , make sure there's somebody there . I mean , those are sort of the most things .
And just for the last couple of weeks I've had off and I've really noticed , like the just for the last couple of weeks I've had off , and I've really noticed like the decline in in the feeling inside of myself from not going to the gym and not playing tennis . It's like huh . I really do need that .
I really do need that these days for the health , yeah .
Yeah , and it's . It's interesting about exercising with people or not ? Because I have a bunch of first house Aries with my Sag revealing and I love mainly exercising by myself and and my husband is super Libra and he loves exercising with people and so when we first met we would do a lot of exercise together .
But then he'd be like , oh , I ran into this person and they said they really needed to talk to you , so I organized for you to go for a run with them and I was like what don't do that ? Like running is my sacred alone time . I'll go on a bike ride with people , but not like , do not schedule my exercise for me .
That's like a no-no whereas my husband will exercise with anybody , and it he's a double libret brings him joy brings him joy .
Yeah , and how interesting , because of these sports that you talk about running and downhill skiing also .
Very yeah , just in your own space , right , largely , I mean those things are things that and it's so , it's so intriguing to think about sagittarius ruling , as you said , the thighs and the , the glutes and these things that are really essential for those sports yeah so this is kind of remarkable .
Yeah , so fitting .
Why don't we just like , pluck a few other signs out and see you know , what other examples we have out there of yeah , so aries is also .
They do really well with fast sports . So they're your car drivers , they're your . A lot of martial arts . Martial arts often works really well for aries , not that they have to be in combat , but it's that intensity of it , right ? Taurus does really well . Well , they would tell you , gardening is their sport , which it is actually quite physically good for you .
But they do well with weights . I mean , we should all be doing weights , but you get the right Mars in Taurus and they're like , oh , I love lifting heavy . It's literally that physicality of the Taurus . It's an earth sign .
Earth signs do really well with weights , although the Virgo I'm jumping around the zodiac will prefer , like they'll go , oh , I like Pilates or yoga . They want more of that flow physicality than the deep Taurus . You know fixed physicality , right ? Gemini , yeah , quick thinking , quick thinking things . Tennis is a common one that I suggest for Gemini's . What else ?
Cancer , anything to do with water . Like they're , they're gonna be your swimmers , or they want to be on a boat , or , yeah , anything to do with water . Leo , what do they do ? What do the ? Leo , mars , mars , leo I'm trying to think about mars , leo people . Again , it's a lot of the aries sag , you know , it's that big physicality moving the body .
They'll really want something that aerobically pushes their heart , because it's that .
I wonder if also I wonder if also a sort of competitive or their desire to win something or something ? I remember , you know , michael Jordan and his . His Mars is in Leo .
I always thought that was a pretty classic kind of character , but they also need to be seen right . They're going to be seen to be in charge , like so , yeah , so in some ways they will often be more involved in team sport than some of the other fire signs , because there is that center . You can't be center stage if there's not a bunch of other people .
You got to lead people Right , I know quite a few AFL players .
So the trick that we're talking about this , as well as my other career , is in sports nutrition , besides astrology . You might not know that , but I'm also sports nutrition I do . I am aware of your , yeah , your other personality , yeah , so yeah , there's a lot of , and they do well .
You know , in big you know they're often captains of teams and stuff like that right , yeah , yeah , the leaders , yeah yeah , and it just comes natural for them , right , right , um . And then we have virgo . That's a real yoga pilates . They'll do some walking , they don't . I don't tend to see that mars and virgo it .
It depends on what house it's sitting in and it depends what you know sun , moon , ascendant they are as well , but yeah , it's much more that flowy . But in their body physicality , I definitely find that works for them . Libra , again social sports , team sports , or you have to have somebody else Like a Mars Libra that's having trouble exercising .
I make them find a walking buddy , running buddy , somebody . You have to go to the gym . Somebody I know with Mars and Libra was trying to do weights and they couldn't do it and then they joined one of those gyms where they were like all the machines are facing each other .
So it's super social and I love it , like of course , you do that's such a nightmare for me . It is my worst nightmare as well . I don't yeah , no , I don't talk during sport . Scorpio , ooh they , they just like the .
I'm not even going to take it into the water bit because Mars and Scorpio it can be water things , but it's more the intensity of sport and for them it's the challenge of how deep they have to go and how hard they have to push themselves . I have known some runners and triathletes that like it's really about how long can I sit in the hurt locker at edge .
Yeah , it's an interesting energy I've seen with Mars and Scorpio and sport , but they , they need to sweat a lot . This whole Scorpio in general , not just Scorpio , mars there's a big thing . They rule . Scorpio rules sweating , like you know all your detoxification channels . Mars would actually be sweating itself and really cathartic kind of sport .
And there are all the ones in the saunas and the and the ice baths at the moment and stuff like that yes but yeah , there's an intensity that they're looking for . I see a lot of them in martial arts as well . Sag anything to do with the legs , so that's running . Cycling is a really common one because , again , sag is the horse .
That's a bicycle or motorbike sagittarians whether it's mars or their son , you know , sun or moon , whatever , very rare they haven't owned a motorbike at some point Right and even in women you'll meet strong Sag . Women ask about motorbikes . They will have done it at some point . Have you ever had a motorbike ?
Yes , I have , with my Sagittarius Rising . Yeah , I mean , I ride one here , I ride a scooter here . But I did when I was living in Taiwan . I had a motorcycle for like five years , but I also get around here on my scooter and . I do enjoy riding a proper motorcycle as well .
Yeah and speed .
You know , we always say Sagittarius and horse riding actually was a pretty big part for me when I was younger . It was funny when I was in my first horse riding experience . They I remember it very clearly because they said I was real natural at horse riding , which makes a lot of sense for my child and my sanitaries riding rising and everything , yeah so .
So I suppose horse riding as well , right like yeah , absolutely would fit that quite well , yeah , and motorbikes are literally a motorized horse , that's what they used to call it right , yeah , so , yeah , yeah so Capricorn Mars . Capricorn does really well with hiking .
They'll also play chess , but hiking , you know going up those mountains or you know sports in mountains in general , whereas the Cancer's at the ocean .
Right .
And we got to really think of that opposition between Cancer and Capricorn . One's going up and one's going in , yeah , yeah , into the water , aquarius I think of Mars and Aquarius . So Aquarius is the calves and the ankles .
Right .
So I always warn Mars and Aquarius or Aquarius sun , or whatever I'm like . So basketball or , if you're in Australia , netball , is probably not the world's greatest sport , but they often will do it . And then twist their ankles and have all kinds of ankle trouble . So they do well again . You you know as an air sign . They do well with more social .
Even though we don't always think of them as social , they do like kind of group sport in some ways . I do find they often play like soccer and things like that . But they'll go for the mind sports as well , things with strategy would afl fit into this one ?
yeah , do you think so ?
yeah , yes , absolutely , and you also need to be long you know in afl , you need to be long , and it's that flow of air as an air sign . They need that flow and that thinking .
So , yeah , a lot of the team sports where there's fast thinking they're gonna like yeah , right , yeah I can totally see afl as I'm trying to think of my afl players , but I sneak their birthday from them and then pisces less again .
Things in the water , so swimming , ice skating , yeah , and then it's anything to do with feet , so it's it's often ball sports involved with the feet right .
Amazing and it's interesting also to , if you know your chart , to look not just at your mars there , but as we've gone around , because when you , when you got to cancer that's obviously my sun sign swimming and rowing were big parts of my life as well . We should say surfing , a little bit of surfing when I was younger .
Yeah , surfing and rowing and swimming were all big ones for me , and so you can also look at these feeding off all of your chart right like my brain goes to rowing .
You actually have to have really powerful legs , like it's a big thigh leg sag yeah , you have to use your arms to row , and then you're in the water yeah cancer yeah yeah well , that was the main , that was the biggest sport that I was , that I was a part of ?
yeah , so you know , the school head of the river , all these kinds of things would be , it was a big set of chapters of my life in that time , so yeah , and so I I guess for people that don't love exercise because that's common too to not like there's certain signs that are less motivated to move than others .
But we know we all need to be moving and it's like look at where you . You I mean definitely look at your big three , but look where that mars is . What sign is it in ? But also , what house is it it's sitting in ?
So , like we talked about the seventh house for you , because seventh is about relationships and others and it's a social house , so also looking at that dynamic of it makes a big difference yeah , and so the other side of mars here I can imagine mars or erries being god of war , you know this big brute force kind of thing .
I can also imagine a certain like beyond sport . There could be elements of like frustrated energy there , or like what happens if that mars can't express itself , because I I think I would imagine inflammation . I would imagine things of heat getting caught in the body . Am I going down the right ?
track there , absolutely so . Mars is yeah , it's literally heat , you know inflammation , medically heat , redness , pain and swelling it can be any or all of those .
And holding in heat , you know , can be anything from ulcers , you know , like too much hydrochloric acid in the stomach , there can be arthritis , there can be just yeah , too much heat , but also , you know , and pain . But also it rules the immune . It's part of the rulership of the immune system . Mars . We think of the immune system more as Pisces .
We give it to Pisces with a lymphatic system . But your immune system is full of all these cells that go to battle for you , like we actually have immune cells called natural killer cells . That's so Mars , or maybe Pluto , scorpio , so yeah , your white blood cells are literally like your army .
And then your red blood cells help carry energy and food , like they help invigorate and vitalize us . So your immune system does have to have a look in with Mars as well . We don't talk about that side of it in medical astrology as much , but it's a fascinating one to look at . And then it's involved in accidents and injuries or when we get a virus .
You can often see a Mars trigger to your chart , whether it's a planet triggering your Mars or Mars triggering you , your mars or mars triggering you . And and you can look at cyclical . You know , mars takes just over two years to go around a chart . It's quite fast and so there's very specific times .
If you look at your health , there's very specific times of the year where you frequently get sick , like people look at their health and say like , oh , I always get sick .
It's not usually just winter , it's a very specific mars lineup right so it's a good thing to know how to fortify yourself before that , or not wear yourself out before that yeah , or to strengthen that inner army or you know these kinds of things , and and and and to do how to get that Mars working for you , because of course , mars can work against you , which
can be symptoms like depression and these kinds of things where you feel stuck or you feel stagnant or you feel depressed or whatever it might be that holds you back , right .
Yeah , well , it's almost that opposite of Mars which in some ways would jump you to Saturn , right ? Saturn is the ruler of melancholy and stuck and stricture and being bound and things being cold like they antidote each other in in in astrology
¶ Saturn, Rest, and Healing
. In medical astrology , we call mars and saturn the malefics . Yeah , but mars is the lesser malefic , saturn is a greater mal or bad bringer , Although in my opinion they're also very useful , but health-wise I think they get given a bad rap . Of course . Yeah , too much Mars you want to bring in Saturn , right ?
You want to bring in cold and not moving if you've been moving too much or you want to bring it down and create borders and boundaries for it . So , and Saturn is also about sitting still and resting , and people don't often talk about that . I think you've heard me lecture on that .
Saturn is yeah , it's staying still to heal and it's something in our society we don't do anymore . Right , it's we're rushing , we're sick , and then we keep rushing and then we get more sick , whereas Saturn is it's almost part of that what we used to call the convalescent story . To take rest is actually really healing and nobody does that anymore .
That's so interesting because there's that , you know , within craniosacral .
That I practice is the down regulation , and it takes time , you know , but also you can sort of help guide the nervous system down and then each layer that you're going down , which I guess would be that Saturnian I've always think about , the craniosacral itself , is very Neptunian and Piscean ultimately , but of course it is ?
Is that because of the flow of the ?
cerebral spinal fluid . Exactly the flow . Oh , interesting , I didn't realize , I just put that yeah .
Well , so the spinal fluid , well , the lymphatics , and flow is would be very , if we're going modern rulers , it'd be very Neptune .
Right and I always feel like what we're doing . It's a little bit like traditional Chinese medicine and acupuncture , except that it's not , which feels quite Martian in itself . Right , with the little needles we're just like prodding away .
It is Mars . Acupuncture is given to Mars . Yeah , anytime you pierce the skin with metal , that's Mars .
Yes , of course so surgery is Mars . Right .
Acupuncture is Mars .
Oh interesting . Whereas this is like the removal or the dissolving of the blocks that get in the way of the body's flow .
And so then , as you're going deeper and deeper into the craniosacral rhythm , you go through all of those kind of layers of consciousness and layers of experience and you remove blocks , block by block , and then suddenly the flow of the cerebrospinal fluid moves through your whole system and the nerves are bathed inside of that and then suddenly everything becomes very
kind of fluid and easeful and things that were challenging before that craniosession can sometimes be very easy and it promotes that sense of ease and flow . It's very Pisces .
Because Pisces's about the flow of fluid across gradients . So flow of fluid in and out of a cell , like osmosis , would be pisces and neptune interesting , yeah , yeah whereas connective tissue and the structural part is saturn right oh interesting yeah and the nervous system .
Do you give that over to aquarius or where are we out there ?
well , the nervous system really goes .
Mercury first oh , interesting , mercury you would go .
You would go mercury , gemini for the physicality of the nervous system , and then aquarius and uranus would get the electrics of the nervous like the actual messages being sent . The electricity of it would go more aquarius interesting .
Yeah , yeah .
So it's bull , it's bull but yeah , the nervous system is a it's bull , it's bull , but yeah , the nervous system is a it's fascinating and the vagal nerve I would give to Virgo . Not everybody would agree with me , but that gut brain axis and it's so connected with digestion and regulation and rhythm of things in the body . It just it still would go .
It's a nerve , it still is going to go . Gemini mercury , but I think it's also beautifully virgo , which is ruled by mercury as well .
Like to me , it's that gut brain act yeah , and of course , yeah , as you say , mercury and its rulership of virgo . So it's still aer , but it's maybe a wanderer with a bit more , I guess , of that precision that Virgo might have .
Yeah , but then my brain goes into weight . But Gemini rules the lungs . The lungs go to Gemini and Cancer . There's like a crossover . Because there's so much fluid in the lungs and we have vagal nerve tone you can do with a lot of breath work so yeah , and that's the thing with medical astrology it's not clear-cut , right . You often have two or three areas .
Because our organs do so much right , like the liver , how could we ever give the liver just one rulership ? It like does 2 000 different things for your body right .
Yes , it is . In chinese medicine considered the general , though , or the , or the right , the sergeant or the general of the army , yeah , yeah , and it is .
It's a huge . It's a huge thing and it it's in Western medical astrology , jupiter , the biggest planet , gets the liver , which is the biggest organ in the body besides the skin .
Wow .
Biggest organ , biggest planet . Yeah .
Is the liver bigger than the lungs ?
Yes , it's considered bigger .
It definitely by weight would be a lot bigger , I mean the lungs if you deflate them are you know that's a little deflated balloon yes , but but you know what ?
no one's ever asked me that that's a good point because I'm just feeling those in my body .
It's like , wow , I mean , the lungs are definitely taking up more space , but as you , oh , it feels like they are .
I don't know if they are but , as you say , like the liver solid and big , whereas the lungs are not solid . Right , there's so much air . If we were to get rid of the air , they would probably only be right you know two cricket balls or something . I've totally made that up .
But anyway , what about the heart then ? The sun , leo , yeah sun and leo .
Vitality , it's that center , it's your core vitality . If the heart's not working , nothing's working . But I always , you know , I always find that . So the heart goes to leo and circulation goes to the opposite sign aquarius huh because it's the flow , it's the communicate . You know your , your circulation is your . It's .
If you think about arteries and veins or capillaries and all that , it's actually your body is communicating . It's how it communicates . It sends stuff there , whether it's food or liquid or , almost said , supplements that was so bad Nutrients . You know , oxygen is carried by your .
Everything goes via your , either your blood , your nervous system or your nervous system or your circulation system . So it's this network and that's very Aquarius , right , it's communicating everywhere to everything . And so that's the Leo Aquarius . But on your opposite signs you always want to look at there's a lot of function connected between opposite signs .
But you've got to think about your circulation system is actually told what to do by your nervous system . If you don't have an electrical impulse , the heart doesn't work . So it's actually the nervous system that's in charge of the circulation . But no one ever thinks about it that way .
I think about if someone's heart stops , you shock them with electricity to get it going again , which is querarius , it's uranus would be electricity , yeah , interesting .
So the whole electrical and also the fact you know the the nervous system is is also relational in that in that aquarium way right like it's not just on its own there all those nerve endings are going out and seeking am I safe and how's the world looking telling you what's going on ?
out there and then getting that feedback and and going back and then it tells the heart if it needs to speed up or slow down or what it like .
It's the command you know in some ways aquarius and the nervous system and gemini it's the commands right as much as we talk about your heart is that center of the soul and you know so many different ancient traditions believed a lot more recited in the heart than the brain .
But yeah , it's interesting yeah , the greek saw the mind as the lungs actually , typically , which I find interesting with gemini yeah , and the egyptians didn't care about the brain at all right interesting they like used to scoop out the brain that was like one organ . They did not save and they thought you're .
I'm pretty sure the egyptians have intelligence in the heart interesting yeah what about the solar plexus , then because it's so interesting that it is solar I know it's so .
The solar plexus . I think I find in clinical practice it's the Virgos that notice their solar plexus the most .
Is that right ?
But if you go down to where the solar plexus is , you know you think , oh , that's my stomach , but your stomach's actually higher than that . But yeah it's . You would think it would go . Leo , it's not often . I would have to go to vedic for that . Really , because solar plexus isn't really a term for the west but .
I find the that the virgos have a more sensitive solar plexus than any other . They feel stuff there more than anybody else , because where your solar plexus is sorry , I'm going to find where this is coming from for me as I sit in my body because , your small intestines are there ? Virgo rules the small intestines right .
Cancer is the stomach and the pancreas is a contentious organ and it's given to like cancer , leo , virgo , nobody .
Nobody really knew all these rulerships were also given long before we understood what a lot of our organs did and the pancreas does a lot more than blood sugar levels , so it creates pancreatic enzymes for digestion and , you know , breaks down food and all kinds of stuff .
But the small intestines go to Virgo , which is where you selectively choose from the food you ate what becomes you and what you get rid of . It's like a discerning organ , which is perfect for Virgo , and the solar plexus really sits . It's below the stomach , it's right around the start of the intestines .
So I notice the virgos notice it more than the leos okay , maybe there's a little bit of a shared between the leo and the virgo in there . Yeah , yeah , and the pancreas is kind of right there as well , right and so I'm .
I'm gathering that the reproductive organs , that's more Scorpio's layer , is it ?
Yeah , so repro . We mainly think of it as Scorpio , but some of it falls to Libra More the balance of the hormones . Right , because Libra has the scales of balance . So Libra is kidneys and the lumbar region of the spine .
You know that lower back area that everyone is really sensitive to getting cold , or you should be , but liver is all about everything to do with balance . So inner ear balance , hormone balance , acid alkaline balance of the body , and that you know the kidneys are gatekeepers of balance as well . They let in and out .
People don't realize the kidneys process your blood Something like 60 times a day . They filter your blood . No one ever thinks of it that way .
Wow .
And so they're the gatekeepers of like mineral balance in the body and what turns into urine and what goes back out . But they do get a little bit of hormone rulership , because hormones balance the body . But yeah , and then we move to repro . You know your actual physical organs and a lot of your reproductive .
Well , reproductive organs can be scorpio or libra , but yes , oh , I'm just all the sex bits are definitely scorpio and I'm thinking about the adrenals sitting on top of their kidneys as well with Aries , aries , yes .
So they're with each other right and the adrenals kind of tell the kidneys sometimes what to do . But yes , there's that opposition for sure . And then we have the large intestines , the sweat glands and the reproductive organs all falling under its . Corpula like gets a lot .
They might be really magnetic and enticing , but they also get a lot of shit , a lot of organ rulership . That's not easy and what's interesting is sorry that was by pun , but but they do get a lot , they , them .
They might be magnetic but amazing and I love my Scorpios but the interesting thing is the thyroid which is the neck , is torus , and when there's something going wrong with a thyroid , the opposite sign , scorpio , has problems , often with reproduction , with periods or cycles can go awry .
If it's somebody who has cycles and you can get like a slow thyroid often creates constipation . So there is always this balance , there's this connection . So there's always this balance , there's this connection and science kind of knew that .
If you go back to really old textbooks where doctors are talking about medical astrology , they're like you always have to look at that opposite sign .
Yeah . Interesting , the opposite sign for the energy to have gone there because it's like it got too intense , where you have planets and it tries to the energy , tries to go to the path of least resistance , where it's like an empty spot , right , fascinating .
I was just the other day looking up the hippocampus because what a fascinating mythological connection , right tell meocampus well , hippocampus , the , the hippo , is horse , actually , yeah , and the , the camp , is fish .
And so these were the , the creatures that would pull poseidon's chariot in the ocean and they were half horse , half fish , so they were sort of like and and they were friendly to the humans actually . So they and they were considered to be kind of , yeah , moving around , like moving things around the , the ocean in a way .
So , yeah , friendly to poseidon and yeah , and for some reason I was I was looking that up the other day and and because I so I just started to get fascinated with these and I was actually named after these mythological creatures , these hybrid horsefish .
So I quickly Googled .
Yes , go ahead .
The hippocampus is part of the brain that helps with learning , memory and spatial navigation . Which is interesting , that it's navigation . Did you look that up already ?
I had . I went through this , I had I I was on the chat gpt , going through all the different anatomy and then mythologies , but I hadn't sort of like gathered it all up . But now I remember , yeah , it like turns conscious into unconscious and unconscious to conscious , right .
So it's like it's operating in that very neptunian space of the conscious and unconscious um , I guess emotional processing , emotional processing , interesting , isn't it ?
well , and water is emotions in medical astrology right , right so but now I like that . It said navigating yes memories , memories , which is very Pisces , right , right , you know , in Pisces the controversy of who rules sleep in medical astrology .
Right .
You know , if we talk about dreams and sleep , often if I suggest it in a class , I'm like what rules sleep , what rules dreams ? And everyone is like , oh , it's Neptune and it's's the moon , which it is . Because we sleep at night , hopefully , but the original ruler of sleep is actually saturn really you're sitting , yes , because you're still , you're not moving .
Think about it like , yeah , you're not moving and you know when you're in REM state of sleep . You know rapid eye movement . Your body is actually creating chemicals that paralyze the body from moving , because if you didn't , your whole body would be flapping around , like your eyes in REM .
Wow wow , and paralysis , or paralyzing chemicals , is saturn , and I'm sure they didn't know that , but how did they get to that right ?
yeah , did they ?
yeah , but when you're sleeping , your brain is cleaning itself . It's putting things into you would know this better than me . But long-term memory , like short-term to long-term and all this , you know you're swimming through everything you're just talking about , but it's also making things more permanent , isn't it ? It's ?
tidying up . Yeah , and that's the hippocampus sort of function , right . Now I want to know it's to take the elements of the day and then transform it and move it into your dreaming . These kinds of things right ? The hippocampus is like up to that , which is why they've named it after these creatures .
I love that .
Yeah .
But like the mythology and then into the body is like as we talked about . When we first met , it was like oh my God we could have a conversation for like 10 hours about this .
And I would also love to get more etymology when it comes to the naming of anatomy , right , because in some ways anatomy has just been named in such a way that it's hard to remember , you can't really relate it to things .
It's all Latin and things , but those Latin words have these meanings that probably lead back to the Greeks and probably lead back to the myths .
So much meaning Brian Clark , who I know you've had on the podcast is so good with entomology every time I hear him lecture . I'm like oh my god , why am I not looking upwards more ? Why ?
am I not ?
like it's those five layers that are so inspiring , and I did actually when you were lecturing , when the first time I heard you lecture at the conference , it was like that . I was like , oh , I love this yeah , exactly yeah , I sometimes forget to go do that and look at that .
Right , yeah , which anatomy really lends itself to that , I feel that's why this hippocamp thing is really interesting . But the rulers of sleep is so curious to think about Saturn in there . Of course Hypnos was a god of sleep , Hypnos was the god of sleep . That's where we get hypnotherapy .
And then there's morpheus he's the god of dreaming .
So there's actually go . More face would go . More neptune , though that'd be much more . That's where we get morphine from , and these kinds of things and drugs . So here we go .
Sorry , I'm like jumping in , I'm all excited , jump in so in modern medical astrology all the opiates absolutely go to Neptune , because a hypnotic is literally something that tells the body it's feeling something different than what it really is . It's deceiving the body about what's happening and that's so Neptunian .
It's crazy , but before we had the outer planets , all the big drugs were Saturn wow , so interesting Mercury's not getting in there with sleep being Hermes the Caduceus , the Caduceus the power of the . Caduceus was to put people to sleep and bring people back .
I know , no , but you know you're shutting down your nervous system . Well , you're not shutting it down , you're putting it into first gear . Right , you're putting it into yeah so it's there , but more you know , the brain and the nervous system is mercury , but I would have thought that maybe , rather than it's like that .
Maybe mercury or hermes has that element of transitions between you know it can . Yeah , with the caduceus .
It's not actually sleep , it's the transition to sleep which anybody is yeah , go on , go on I was gonna say when you have , when you have insomnia , it's that you can't transition right like because mercury won't stop shut down , and when you are transitioning is when you have the yes , oh my god , that's where I went .
With that , I was sorry . I'm a really bad interrupter because my brain is like pinging off of what you're saying I love that and that connects to that and that connects , but yes , my favorite thing in the world yeah is layering different things together , which is probably mythology , right , but well it's all of these layers , including .
that's why and me too , you know , I think that's probably why we get along so instantly having just met each other , because it is those many layers , and I love that you're bringing layers that are slightly foreign to me and I can bring some things with the more mythic and it's juicy right and the etymology and these kinds of things , and the fairy tales and
the old tales , stories and things like that yeah .
Fascinating , yeah , hermes and the fairy tales and the and the old tales stories and things like that . Yeah , yeah , hermes , and , well , the whole healing around hermes I think it's not talked about enough , right we ? Think of him as so many other things , but he was very involved with healing .
Yeah and bringing people to places and then bringing them back . Like his , his relationship with Hestia to bring you back , to bring you to the hearth , basically , so he would guide you back home and then , when you're ready to come out again , he'll be there for you to , to take you back out . He won't go into the hearth with you .
That's for you to go and do . Maybe that's that's why he doesn't rule sleep , because he's ruling the transition to there , but then he's off doing something else and isn't , isn't it hermes ?
so with kai , I'm going to take it to chiron . Now , yeah sure so chiron is the son of .
I'm going blank sad and ochronis that's right yeah , andilea , who's like an oceanid , an ocean nymph essentially . Yes .
But then he gets given to Hermes or Apollo . I'm going blank Apollo , Apollo . Well .
Apollo sort of finds him . Actually Asclepius gets given to Apollo . No , asclepius gets given to Chiron . Asclepius is the son of Apollo , given to Chiron .
Yes , sorry , I was blending those two stories .
Yes , sorry , my brain made them one person , but they're actually teacher mentor students . Sorry .
Yes , sorry , and I'm picturing the photo . The drawing that you used in a lecture , that was Apollo holding Asclepius .
Asclepius and giving Asclepius . Asclepius and giving Asclepius to Chiron as a baby .
Yes , that's what my brain did . Yeah , which is such a beautiful picture . It just went into all of those .
Yeah , and that's a picture that you said you always , you also use .
I use , yeah , as much as I just very badly messed up heritage of Chiron . I do lecture on Chiron medical astrology .
I have a quite a very forgiving like that , yeah , yeah everybody slept with everybody anyway , right yes exactly .
And but yes , the whole chiron to asclepius and then asclepius's children , because I do a lot with hygieia . Who's an asteroid yes , he's one of the daughters and all the healing daughters and sons there's a whole that's actually . Next time we are face to face , we're gonna go play with that okay , we will go there .
We'll go to all of those , to the mythology of it versus what it is in healing .
That's like yeah , and dreams is healing and all of these kind of like the , the importance of , of the dreaming world , which isn't necessarily like sleep , although that's a big part of it . But it's the dreaming consciousness and that part of Western medicine which I've talked a fair bit about in the show of , you know , that Asclepian tradition .
That's why it was very heartwarming for me to be in your lectures and Cameron Allen's lectures and this kind of like because , as we started this podcast today , knowing and ways of being able to really treat yourself , ways of being able to promote that health , and in these trips to Greece that I've had to be able to see what happens at those Asclepian temples
where there was the dream chamber , the Abboton , this idea of going down into the dreaming , but there's also a theatre there , a massive amphitheatre you know , one of the biggest in the ancient world was there in Epidaurus and an Olympic-sized stadium .
So I really love that because it's like also , theatre is something to do with healing Also , you know , the celebration of peak level health is part of healing as well . Right , being able to marvel at these people that can do amazing things is also part of the healing world .
Well , and you could take that . That's the elements , right , that's . You know , if we go into the Western , I'm jumping on you . Sorry , but you're talking about the dreaming and the water and the emotion and the psychology , right ?
Yes , and then .
So in naturopathy we're talking about healing on all levels . We used to kind of say , oh it's , we call it . The holistic triad is the way I was taught at naturopathy . There's the mind , the body and the spirit . But if you go further back in medicine it goes back to the four elements and you have the physical , which is earth .
You have air , which is the mind , the mental health . You have water , which is emotional , psychological health , and then you have spirit , which is fire , but that's also action . And you know , when I say spirit , I not I'm meaning spiritual , but it's that spiritual , dynamic fire . We don't , we don't talk about that enough in medicine or health .
I think that spiritual inspiration is part of health and part of that is the physical movement , the feet , you know , exercise and movement is fire , right , and so for me in medical astrology it's all about those four base elements and working on all those levels .
And then if you go to ayurveda or traditional chinese medicine that's why we're so attracted to it , because it has the they have five elements and we actually do have .
Ether is the fifth element , that's kind of above the others , but we don't talk about it that much in the west and they explain everything by the elements and I'm like , but we have it in the west but we just kind of forgot it , or yeah it moved into psychology , which is not a bad thing .
But , yeah , and the Greeks were doing that , they were doing all those , they were doing it .
Yeah , and it's interesting that fifth element , because that's where we get quintessence from right Quints being fifth , and something essential in the fifth element that is maybe a little invisible of like ether .
It's kind of like this other thing they describe it as being lighter than air . Yeah , in when you go back in ancient greece , we also talk about it as it bursts the other four elements . It's like the mama element that birthed the other four yeah , so interesting .
And I'm also thinking about fire and how you know a big promoter of health can be to be doing what you're meant to be doing on the earth right Like that . That to me is spirit as well . Having the courage to go and do the thing that I'm meant to do and actually spending some time working that out , that's a big promoter of health .
There's a lot of things that could be going not so well , but if that's going well you can actually promote much more health and longevity , as you see , with people really on their path and on their calling .
And creativity is ruled by Leo in the fifth house yes , and that's fire . You know when everyone talks about oh , follow your passion , like if we're going to go into like Joseph Campbell . But I was just at a workshop a couple of weeks ago with Liz oh my gosh , what's her last name ? The one who ate , pray Love .
Liz Gilbert .
And she was kind of trying to do the yin . She was like follow your passion is very yang yes and she . She ran this workshop about following your creative being in your creativity rather than following your passion . They're kind of similar , but it was the very yin , just being in the creative moment rather than having to push forward for your passion .
But they both sit in that fire element well , I mean , what comes to mind when you say that is to is the yin side of it for me is , like in the ancient greek world was to contact the muse and so to , to open yourself to the muse through , and that's a form of creativity that , although is still very alive in the world , because archetypes never die , they
just kind of reform and reshape , but it's that opening to the muse , or to give the credit back to the muse , and then the muse just sort of comes through you , right , and those nine muses .
I think definitely Urania is ruling the things that we do as astronomy , as the ruler of astronomy and astrology , which was the same thing before , that 300 years ago thing that happened , but the the opening to creativity versus the doing of creativity , maybe but they're the same thing in some ways anyway .
But they're not , but it's like yeah , it was just really interesting the way she described I hadn't heard anybody kind of front it that way . I'm a big joseph campbell fan , so I love . Yeah , it was just an interesting take on it that I hadn't well , I had read her stuff before .
But yeah , it was interesting to hear her talk about that and it was much more the embodiment of it rather than the doing . But again , that's the muse speaking through you in some way .
Yeah , like opening up and having it come through . I like that . I like that and , and you know , because the , the spirit in a sense , is something . It's like the , the genius , or the daimon of the old . You know that language of like . It's actually an opening to something beyond you . I like the , the Greek word .
Michael Mead talks a lot about this , of when we're born . We're also born with a twin and this twin is like this ethereal sort of . This is the spirit that gets born with us and that spirit is always trying to come in and do its thing , but it has its whole other agenda .
It doesn't need food , it doesn't need , you know , there's all these things that that one doesn't actually need and it's just looking for the moments to come through . So we've got to be able to maintain the temple of the body with all of these things and then open to that spirit , sort of like popping in and and doing the .
It's genius , and that's what genius meant back in the day . It wasn't some amazing person it was yeah oh , genius was not considered to be some person who is amazing . Everybody had a genius , which the Greeks called the daimon .
And of course , if we don't access the daimon , it can become the demon , that's sort of the other side of it , where it becomes sour or it becomes resentful of us and it starts to cause us all these troubles .
But the genius was the one born with us that wants to come through and that wants to come in , and we all possess one , which is such a beautiful thing because it's true , you know like we all possess a genius now that genius may never get its opportunity to come through , and that's life . That can happen . You know , circumstances can be that or whatever .
It is that . That is the difference between someone that brings in their genius and someone that doesn't . I'm not quite sure , and or maybe that it's just glimpses of it do happen , but it is a glimpse after glimpse relationship between ourselves , our everyday self , and that genius .
Well , I love that , I love the way that , that you explain that and it's , but I also love , back to the beginning of that you're talking about that vessel , that physicality that you actually , you know , the healthier you are or the more in alignment your physical body is , it's easier probably to channel that genius .
Yeah , and the dark side of the genius , in a way , is that it can be so much energy , because it's a universal kind of frequency that if the , if the temple or the body isn't ready for that , it can blow it out .
I mean , look at that through history whether the , the genius has been too much for the body to actually maintain or handle , and then you get your forever 27s and these kinds of ones who who have so much genius coming through but just can't maintain it and it actually can .
It killed , it can kill a lot of them yes , there's a lot of them blessed I've looked at a lot of those 27 charts . Oh yeah , what have you ?
discovered anything , anything that you could wrap well you often have .
Often neptune was in the eighth or the ninth depending on what system you use . Yeah . There was a lot of Neptune , there's a lot of Neptunian energy and and often the eighth or ninth , and that's where that , yeah , that implosion happens , and Neptune is also drugs .
Yes .
Right , you're tapping into that next level . I'm not talking about drugs . Well , that can happen too . But you know , if they're tapping into that genius and have that neptunian ability to get to that non-physical side , but there's also that risk of it being so much that they're using substances .
You know , part of substance use is escaping how intense everything is , whether the intensity is good or not . I mean , there's substance use just for fun as well , but there's yeah , or are they using the substance to get to that level faster ? I could go on a whole . Well , it's interesting .
I think I've got a whole other topic no well , it makes me think of sixth house , twelfth house , pisces and virgo dynamics in a way . Right , because at this , this genius , as I was talking about it then I was like it sounds like that otherworldly self which we would associate in astrology with twelfth house , or or pisceaness .
Of course drugs are a way to get over there it's a way they get you there faster or they stop you from feeling too much right when it's overwhelming and you want to escape it right , but it's also and I was thinking about that ninth house yeah which is that you know , that is that search for meaning , and then you put neptune into the ninth or eighth ,
because you're going deep . There's a lot . I'm thinking of Jim Morrison's chart right now . Okay , that's what I'm actually thinking of , but there are other 27s that Well , Kurt Cobain's chart was the original 27 , wasn't he ? I used Kurt's chart as well . It's very 11 people past , isn't it from memory ?
Well , isn't it ?
from memory . Well , isn't it all ? I mean , it's virgo rising then a lot of pisces . Yes , it is a lot of pisces . Yeah , I'd have to pull it up I definitely use him in a 12 house talk yes , a lot of 12s .
I can't visualize and what's interesting about him was his perfectionism of the virgo . But tell me about jim morrison's chart I can't remember that much about it anymore , sad though he's definitely sad from memory .
I'll pull it up . I'll I could pull it up , but I definitely remember that neptune right might be in the eighth yeah and he . Actually there was something . Really it's in the eighth , right before the ninth , ninth and he I'm going to sound a little morbid saying this we look to the eighth .
The eighth house is considered , you know , it's a psychological house , but it's also the house of death . And so in old medical astrology texts am I totally going to feed into this ? No , I think medical astrology had to be a lot more fatalistic before we had great surgery and CT and MRI . And you know , antibiotics changed the world .
What we can do with , you know we all would probably be dead if it wasn't for antibiotics . By the time we're in our 40s or 50s , right , and so we look to the eighth house . They used to say I'm going to make this more fun , but how we're going to die , is the eighth house right ? It gives you echoes .
So you know , neptune in the eighth was death by drugs or drowning , death by water or drugs , and he literally had Neptune in the eighth . There was something else about it that was really cliche , because he passed away like in a , in a . He passed away while he was in paris in a bathtub , like he was actually a . He was in water when his .
They think it was a heroin overdose , but his heart stopped . But I yeah , I'd have to pull up the chart , but I use it as an example that it was like the most of like . It's not gonna be obvious , you're not gonna say don't take baths when you're in paris , but but it's really . Um , yeah , I'll have to find out for you .
How curious , didn't jimmy hendrix ?
also die in paris , or is that not true ?
oh hey , my god , I thought it was . Well , maybe it was london .
I think it was on a on a european tour when he was out . There's a lot of people buried in Paris . If you go to that one cemetery which .
I may or may not have been to Chopin , Oscar Wilde , Jim Morrison , and then , if you're into natural therapies , Hahnemann , the inventor or the person that kind of brought homeopathy . The guy who created homeopathy as we know it today is also buried . They're all like , there's like wild amount of people buried in this one cemetery .
Energetically I don't know why , but yeah , yeah , check , I'd have to look that up . I'll have to look up the other 27 .
Amazing . Well , we've gone to so many places . I love this . I Well we've gone to so many places . I love this . I want to just keep going , but we have certain Saturnian limits .
We have to stick by .
Thank you , Kira . Let's do this again , please . Can we just like do it and ?
do other things ? Yeah , because there's so many things .
I hope that we've gotten to the intention , which was that practical wisdom . We definitely went all the way around the body and the zodiac and the different things . I think we've given a really big overview . If it was a bit overwhelming for people , I'm sorry , but we'd love it , you know . I think it's really yes .
On my website there's a free download that literally is this beautiful table that you can look up all your medical astrology . I'm not really plugging it because it's my website . I'm like , if you're like , oh , I need to , you forgot to do this .
There's literally like a table because I'm really visual that goes through all the body ruleships of the signs , so that's an easy access for people .
If you're now , where did they , where do they go to go to ? What is your website
¶ Resources for Medical Astrology
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my website is astrology of healthcom astrology of healthcom amazing .
We'll go on there and then have a look at Kara's things . She's amazing . Can they get in touch with you on there ? What's the thing ?
it's , yeah , astrology of health . Or my instagram is astrology of health . It's that simple . I'm an aries , I can't make it tricky . Yeah , you can send me a message . Um , there's podcasts to listen to . There's courses to take , like baby beginner courses to really advance . There's a gazillion things on there . You never play for a while I love it well .
Thank you so much for your general generosity of your time and your wisdom and I've really enjoyed this and I am really hoping we have a part two soon enough .
Oh yeah , myth and medical astrology . Oh , that's what we're going to do Take two myths and go deeper , or something . Oh my God , yes , yeah , we're going to do that .
And the mythical components of anatomy Fascinating .
Yeah , we need to have a little chat about that we do or we set an assignment of two minutes and then I'll go away and you go away and I'll I love it , that's what that would be fun yeah well , thank you so much , kira , for joining us and look kira up , check her out .
She's got such a wealth of knowledge and you can just check out so many things that she does and in the world and and I highly recommend it . So thanks again .
Thanks for having me .
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