#67 | Pisces | The Fish

We've gone through the wheel and to come back and to rest in the trust and the faith and the surrender that I think up with Pisces and that I believe in that sort of knowing that the cycle , that belief that the cycle will start again .

It moves away from the things that we know and it moves into the great unknown , the oceanic depths of reality , almost like it's moving into the unknowable , in a sense or we begin to see just how expansive and complex the entirety of reality is , which can be , you know , which can either take us into this feeling of wonder and excitement , and or or it can

take us into the sense of drowning , or or lostness , or confusion . I think both of those will be discussing today as we go into the sign a little deeper .

There's that , I know , that definitive statement , and so what I find so beautiful is that actually the last is , I believe , is that you know that that deep surrender , that Neptune teaches us that having to let go of that tight grip and really trust in that . And yeah , like you said , there's a sort of expansiveness that I feel when I see the phrase .

I believe it's like , oh , my body and my system can relax . There's so much I couldn't possibly know ahead . And if I actually just simmer in that belief , that can be that nourishment that guides me through .

So we were moving into much more fluid , a fluid feel out of the , out of the angular of Aquarius , which also feels to me like another example of how we've moved from what we know and this kind of true false statements and putting things through rigor and and really attempting to understand as best as the mind possibly could , and then it's almost like the mind

has to now let go in order to understand this next part . Of course , we're in the final sign of the zodiac , so we're also in the final of three water signs . You know , as we go we can talk about that difference between the Canterian , the scorpionic and the Piscian . As we move along in that sequence of water , we've got the crab and the scorpion and fish .

So all of them , you know , connected to water , but Pisces being the only one that doesn't have any armor on it in no exoskeleton there . Unlike the crab and the scorpion have that exoskeleton , the Piscian fish don't have anything really protecting them from the vastness of the ocean .

And again , that can be the experience of a spiritual bliss and union with one , the sort of unity , consciousness , oneness , that , that thing that only really the poets can get out of the experience .

Or again , the shadow side of that , which is to just be thrown around in the oceanic waters , just kind of like moving around and not sure where we are or where we're going .

But of course it has its shadowy side of not actually being able to differentiate another person's energy from your own or actually having that sort of sometimes necessary protective container .

But then there's also permeable in the sense of almost like channeling or bringing forward information , these things that move through you , you know which is why I think we got that really like super creative myth making ability of the Pisces and of things to come through that that maybe the poetic Pisces and doesn't even know what it means yet .

But just let it come and just as to sort of open the door and then maybe figure it out later what all of these ? Words or what these combination of words actually mean .

You know that may not be , clear because it's really emptied out of consciousness in a way and allowing something much of the oceanic depths of wisdom to just to kind of like pour out in a way or maybe move through , because the poor out would be actually the image of Ganymede and the Cup era that we were talking about right , like of Aquarius pouring the water

out , and now Pisces is just coming straight through the native that's experiencing it . That's why this is a sign that's associated with , we'd say , mediums and clairvoyance , and the mystics among us who ultimately have let go of that differentiation and now , can , just kind of like , speak straight from , straight from the source of where the actual water is .

You know , it doesn't have to be now this container that holds the water and gives it out . Now there's just like the fish are just kind of like swimming in it and you kind of get it or you don't . So it's interesting , isn't it ?

Because Pisces is associated with the 12th house and the 12th house rules asane , asylums and hospitals and prisons and ashrams and retreat centers and all these kinds of places anywhere , effectively , that you're out of the everyday world , but particularly the insane asylum .

There can just be words coming through that seem to make no sense at all and yet if you listen to the rambling madness , if you've listened to what's coming through , you can actually hear fragmented , but there is a wisdom often underneath that's coming through that can be a disturbing wisdom , something maybe that you don't want to hear or don't want to pay

attention to , but still it's coming through anyway .

You know it's really the ability to lose yourself in something bigger , or lose yourself in this collective consciousness or whatever it might be , to be a guide for others , to share the messages . And I think you know when you mentioned about the Asana silence and prisons and the manic ramblings or the madness ramblings . People can fear that so much .

But I think it's very true . If you actually stop and listen and actually try and feel into what this person might be experiencing , it can there can be a lot of insight or magic or telling of what's going on in this person's consciousness .

You know this idea and it was incredible , being Greece , did you also go to Delphi , delphi .

kingdom or the cell for the family or whatever it was . And so there was this entry week and you meet the Pithya , who is the oracle , and she this trained medium really , ultimately , rather , that she's trained in almost like a sorceress kind of energy where she's trained through her whole life into this role .

And whether this is myth or reality , I'm not quite sure . It kind of blends in between a little bit . But she's standing above these fumes and I actually did some research about this area . That was between these fault lines where there was fumes coming up from the land itself .

So she's taking in these fumes where basically , you know , in the mythic quality of it , there's all these pythons underneath and she's taking in the fumes of the python poison basically . So she's high , you know , which is such a great image for Pisces .

In a way she's high , she's in this other realm of consciousness and you can imagine , in our training the question is asked and the answer is just like whatever it is is what comes ?

But you know , in the later times the priests would then take what she had and then put it into the poem like a poetic hexagram or something , where they would then put it into its form and then that would be the prophecy .

But I can imagine being in the presence of that , of somebody that's been trained as that priestess for her whole life to carry out and you know , and holds great sway and power . I imagine it was quite a noble position . I imagine quite a high position to take because it was you know .

You held the fates of so many different people in your hands , but ultimately you take in those fumes , you access the other world and you speak straight from what's there .

You just you can sense that there's a true connection to something greater and something beyond , and something beyond what the knowing beyond the knowable , in a sense right , and so it's like dipping back into that oceanic wisdom , and then out comes this . I just yeah , it's a space I would just love to be in .

But if , before it gets to that stage , it is a tool to get you out of your limited reality or your limited consciousness , and you know it , it's something that takes you beyond your limited reality and opens it up .

So , if you're a trained priestess , even though you're a trained priestess and you've been going through all these rites your whole life , the fact that there's still something that needs to happen to take you out of the self , to take you out of making sure that you're not actually imparting your views or your beliefs or your ideas onto the , the seeker who's come

to you . Right , you have to completely lose oneself , capital S self , in this process to be able to dispel this knowledge or this wisdom onto the people seeking her out .

And so I think it's this , you know , depending on where you live and your personal views , your drugs and things , you know comes with a lot , but you can see it being this really sacred offering , almost and this way to sort of to dispel this sort of the constructs that might have been created , or making sure that you're not imposing your personal beliefs .

you as you said . You know , we begin the journey of the zodiac and the next sign long , which is Aries . Statement of who . I am , you know , and you go out into the world and this big heroic , herculean , jason and the Argonauts looking for the golden fleece . You know there's this big aim and goal to everything and you .

It is driven by that the desire to become oneself . You know to be , to start the journey of individuation and to become oneself by the time I get to Pisces , we're getting into the realm of forgetting oneself on multiple different levels . Right , we're getting into that place where we want to dip beyond the self .

We want to go beyond any concept of the self and really , you know the blissful experience of what it is , what it is like to completely forget the self .

You know just even for a moment to complete that , because that's ultimately what creative processes as well as right , and when you're really kind of doing that Pisces Virgo dance , when you're when you're really deeply invested exactly in the thing that you're doing , and time goes by and you completely forgotten because you've lost all sense of time .

You've lost all sense of self because you're so embedded in the thing that you're doing right .

It's like that's one of the many glimpses that we can get of the blissful experience of forgetting about this whole self is a bit like Atlas carrying the vault of heavens on his shoulders and all this heavy weight of this individual self and all of the responsibilities and concerns and relationships and struggles and tasks to do , all of that dissolves away and you're

left almost like in your pure form of absence of anything that would define the self . It's like the real absolving or dissolving of selfhood .

and your job and all of these things . And so that can be this . Take me back to that space , take me .

There was an amazing I think it was a Canadian amazing film called the Barbarian Invasions but it was about heroin addiction and it was always saying you know that you're always trying to reach that first hit again , that first hit of bliss , that first hit where everything is okay .

Pisces is so associated with spirituality because of that , and so it's sort of what avenue we take to try and reach that moment of where we forget , we forget our separateness in this world .

It was one of these festivals where there's music and also workshops and speeches and talks and these kinds of things , and I watched it one talk of a man who was talking about his recovery from addiction , from heroin addiction , and I should say the kind of addiction that I associate with Pisces is more opioids like heroin and this kind of thing , and alcohol I

associate with Pisces but I wouldn't associate , and maybe psychedelics actually . But there's some addictive processes that I don't really put in Pisces as realm , like the ones that get you going and cranking .

I think Pisces kind of wants nothing to do with those because that I guess you'd like further and more into your ego , like the Piscian things are trying to kind of like fuzzy fuzz out the self ultimately right .

So this guy was talking about his recovery from heroin and one of the points that always stayed with me about his talk was that you can't convince the heroin addict that the experience that they had wasn't real .

You can't just put right it off as this fantasy that they should just let go of and get real and get sober and come back to the Saturnian realm and just be serious about things , because that's not really going to do it right . The way that he approaches it is to say it is real what you've experienced , but the shortcut you're taking is killing you .

The shortcut you're taking is really destroying your life . And then he's kind of like there is a way to go there and and we can take this path there so that you can visit this through .

You know , like his whole thing was using the herbs , the Chinese herbs , and a lot of acupuncture and this whole process and and Qigong and these kinds of things and kind of aiming to get to get to that state with your regular mind ultimately , or helping your mind maybe not be regular , maybe find irregular states or find even extreme states , but not having to

use some substance in order to get there . And it always struck me as like that . So that feels to me like an intuitively feels like a really good approach to take , because it must be hard to just think , OK , I will just get sober and just live this life .

That doesn't really have much appeal to me , but I'll just do it anyway because that's the right thing to do , or some , you know , like that satanic consciousness of life , because that would be a good thing to do . So , therefore , I'll do it .

So I like this person's approach because ultimately , that is what we're trying to get to . And you know , I felt that all over when you said , yes , your reality is real and what you're experiencing is real , but it's killing you and where you're trying to go . Because you know , we actually talked about this at the beginning of last episode .

But I said something about reality and you're like , why do we always associate reality with Saturn ? Why don't , why can't we have this net tuning reality ? And it's so true , it's so true you need both , because personally , I don't think a total Pisces in reality would be the solution to Saturn's , but the combination of the two .

There's some magic there and again , we haven't even talked about this yet , but Pisces is so associated with that compassion piece , that tenderness piece . So , if you're talking to an addict , probably get your shit together is not the approach that's going to work . It's that tenderness , it's that you know .

Okay , I see you , I feel you you know , how can we help you ?

But I think what would give you the deepest results , I suppose , is the assurance of that reality , or the , or the what is it the validation that that thing that you're experiencing is real , it's not just some ?

other it's not some experience outside of the possibilities , and I think that's the thing , that's why it's , I believe , because I think we all have glimpses of Pisces and felt experiences , right Like I mean , there's , there's the whole idea of unity , consciousness or oneness , or this to me refers to Pisces , or the idea that we're all one to and in it together .

That refers to Pisces . We were all in a womb at some point , which is a Piscian arena , and we will all head back to the great beyond at some point , which is the other Pisces arena . You know it's interesting because Scorpio is a sign we associate with death .

But I've been thinking about it recently , of perhaps Scorpio is that death within life , that death and rebirth process .

Is that deep surrender , that deep dissolving that you know , knowing that there's no nothing left to do or to control , or to hold on to , and it really is that bridge or that passage into the next .

in our lives , and that process has , has grief and loss in it , but the final Pisces , when they draw the curtains , it's that , that is the Piscian experience , because that's when we really have you know , jung talks about it about our relationship to death as our own personal soul work or spiritual quest in a way , and and you want to have spent enough time

contemplating it so that , when it comes , you sort of welcoming welcoming an old friend in a way you know like you understand this as it's part of the cycle . This is how it must be . This is how it is for everybody which is so different than the more heroic consciousness , isn't it ?

I think that's the real juxtaposition when we want to understand Pisces is we're moving out of hero stories , we're moving into much more kind of soul stories . There's not this sense of vanquishing the big villain or anything like that , or or to overcome . You know we're not in , we're not in Hercules 12 labors . We've been there earlier in the year .

You know we went there with Hercules when we're in Leo , and you know I mentioned Hercules and Aries and and these , these heroic quests that we go on , which is such a , such a beautiful part of life . But this is no heroic quest now . No , this is , you know , the time for rest the time for that belief and surrender .

You know , we're leaving the womb and we have these birth doolists who are helping the mother and the baby tend to this . You know , leaving the womb and coming out and this death doola being on the rise so that people can sit with their process , so that they can see these Pisces the doors , the curtains are closing .

There can be that , that soul nourishment that actually comes with it , that acceptance , that , that belief that it's okay that there is this sort of deeper surrender happening , and so I think it's a really noble and amazing that's starting to emerge more , because at least in the West , you know we've it's all about the hero's journey and there's no time for death .

You're always out running death . You're always trying to look younger because you're not going to grow old and all of these things and Pisces is just like chill , you know , just , you know sink soften you know , accept this this cycles ending , but you have no idea where that next cycle is coming and that's where that belief comes in .

We're not going out into the world to dominate or to even have this great success . We're heading to this other world and that world is accessed through these , these inner realms . The mode is mutable , so it's a mutable water sign . That should give us a really good idea of what Pisces is .

And you know , pisces really lives up to its , its mode and its element very well very watery , very fluid , very mutable . As in changeable planetary rulers , it actually has to the classical rulers , jupiter aka Zeus , and the modern ruler is Neptune aka Poseidon . So we have that Jupiter side . It's interesting . We'll get into Jupiter a little bit .

Neptune is obviously the , the deity or the planet that we much more associate . I think it's more easy to see Neptune and Pisces because Neptune is obviously the king of the ocean , as Poseidon is . He's God of that realm . So Neptune's an easier kind of access point to Pisces , I think .

But Jupiter is also interesting and I think we can get into that classical ruler as well , and I'll just say that Pisces rules defeat .

So , as we talked about , you know , we go from Aries ruling the head and the top of the head and those ram horns and we move all the way down the body , one sign at a time , eventually arrive down all the way down to the feet , which is what Pisces rules . For some reason I always find Pisces ruling the feet just seems to make so much sense .

I'm not sure I can fully articulate why .

This might be because of my Pisces placement , but there's a part of me that actually feels that you need Pisces , you need that stability in quotations of Pisces to be able to do your work in this world , to be able to go forward , to have those two feet on the ground , that stability in that belief in something bigger , so that you're sort of walking this

world with that support , with that soul nourishment , soul support going through the feet . If I actually think about it today , I'm going to use this as a practice of every time my feet touch the ground . Wow , I'm really connected to something bigger than me , deeper than me . I'm living on this beautiful planet . Yeah , that's where I went .

I remember talking about this with a friend many , many years ago of like the first assumption we make is when we get up out of bed , are you going to be a ground there ? When I put my feet down , there's going to be ground .

Wow which is a very Piscian concept , I suppose right , but you know like there's a faith that that it's all going to be here in the morning . I mean , you know , and Pisces also linked to sleep as well , which we can get into later .

But yeah , that , this element of faith within the feet I'm also something that I do every now and again is to , especially when I'm getting very heady , if I'm thinking too much and my mind is just trying to figure everything out and get to the bottom of everything in that sharp sword of the mind is kind of like dissecting and cutting everything up .

I try to think with the feet . So just kind of send the mind all the way down and see what it's like to think with the feet . It's actually a much calmer mind . My feet have a much calmer mind , certainly , than the top of my head has in the brain .

I think the mind is all over the body it's certainly not located in the brain as far as I can tell and so we can move that mind around and get a different feel for it . It's like to think from different areas .

So Neptune , otherwise known as Poseidon , the go to the ocean .

We get this sense of Neptune's realm being the deep unconscious , and I think that it's the collective unconscious that we go to to really understand Pisces , and Jung obviously made a great contribution to that in the 20th century by declaring these archetypes , or not declaring , but bringing into the , the modern mind , the idea of the archetype , which is to say that

that deep unconscious mind actually does have a structure . It's something that I'm really interested in with Pisces , because I think we think about it as this kind of chaotic energy , and sure it can be , there can be that chaotic mind that's associated with Pisces .

But actually this is where that , that word cosmos comes from , which is also where we get , you know , cosmetics . So it's a root as a root it gives us the sense of beauty , but it's also a sense of order . But it's not the kind of order where it involves some human being putting everything in its right place and then you know yeah , there we go .

Now everything's ordered . So it doesn't involve the kind of interruption of the human consciousness in order to order something . It's more like the order that is naturally inherent in what we would otherwise perhaps see as chaos . And even the solar system is like that .

Right , because you look out into the sky and you see I mean the solar system and also the galaxy , right , you look out and you see all of these stars and you see these moving ones . Those are the ones in our solar system . And you might think like , wow , there's no , just no discernible pattern of how they're all moving .

It's just kind of like everything's moving about up there , and then you find that actually there's an incredibly intricate set of cycles that are very accurate . So that's so accurate that I could tell you where Jupiter is going to be in 3000 years .

You know to the point , because it's following a particular orbit and they're all following these orbits and for some reason they don't smash into each other you know , it's actually not this big chaotic mess out there . There's this and humans have nothing to do with it . You know , in the ordering of it .

being faster when he's moving forward . But it's just beautiful . It ends up being the six pointed star , it ends up being this really beautiful imagery . And Venus I mean , if the listeners haven't seen , vegle it , because it's gorgeous . And how could you possibly ? Man can't create that or human can't create that . You can sink into that belief .

Sometimes , you know , when I've gone through phases of depression which can be associated with Pisces , it's that belief , that key phrase of something greater , of a cosmic , intelligently , my anchor , or that soothing piece that keeps me going in those dark times , or something like that , because it's like , oh , my logical brain cannot compute what is going on .

But if there's that trust , that if the planets can move back and forth in these gorgeous ways , why can't we , you know , why can't we move back and forth and have that trust ? And that's not to say , you know , throw your hands up and let life happen to you by any means .

But it is that sort of that co-creation , that relationship with the cosmos , and that sort of that belief or that trust , or that surrender that Pisces can remind us of if we are pushing if we're you know that two steps back . Maybe that's part of this beautiful , sacred geometry that we're experiencing in our lives .

Even that move can take some of the weight off the heroic impulse which the hero and the ego are kind of synonymous in a way here , as we refer to them here , because you know we don't have to carry that big lion's mane . You know we don't have to carry that , and there's that sense of that . There's a underlying order to all of this stuff .

That seems like it's just kind of randomly happening , you know , so much so that I can actually look back at my life , no matter how I've lifted and how , what choices I've made . I can look back and I can see mythic threads and themes and patterns and repeating cycles and things . I can get a sense that I am a soul that is embedded in this cosmic play .

You know , I may be playing the villain one day and the hero the next , or I may be playing whatever role I'm playing in any given situation , but there's some kind of an order underneath all of it and that can be really difficult .

I guess you know it's going to actually take us into some of the mythic components of that , but I'm jumping away from Neptune .

No , I want to get back to Neptune , so let's say fish back in , yeah , we'll pull the fish back and we'll stay with Neptune , Poseidon , the ocean , the oceanic depths , you know it was interesting as a , as a figure in mythology , because it's kind of like Mother Ocean .

It's one of those arenas where you're like it's interesting that this is a male deity actually and Liz Green writes about that in in her book on Neptune of all of the deities , it's clearly this would be a feminine deity , because what is a feminine force in the ocean is much more like Mother Ocean and it's referring to the womb and to the deep unconscious and

all of these things . But we are left with Poseidon . So I think about sometimes to sort of think my way through those things . I just I just feel something as broad and great as Neptune could go by many names , especially Neptune and Poseidon .

It could go by many of those oceanic wealth of names that all refer to the same basic force , but , yeah , poseidon's role . As the stories go on

there's . There's some great stories , like in the Odyssey .

You know , odysseus has had this success at the Trojan War and then he's just trying to get from Troy to Ithaca , which is just around the corner , and as he's leaving the war , he thinks actually , you know what , although I prayed to Poseidon , although he helped me , or apparently helped me , I wonder if this wasn't one mainly because of my own skill and my own

gifts and my own epicness and my own heroism . I wonder if , actually , in fact , why should I thank Poseidon ? Why should I give sacrifice to this God ? In the end , this success is probably down to me and not him , which was a pretty bad move , as you can imagine .

And so then he's lost at sea just trying to get around the corner , which is like a one-day trip or something . It takes him 10 years because Poseidon is constantly then changing the wind and moving around . Then there's a whirlwind over here , and then the weather's changed right , and then there's a big storm .

These kinds of things that come into disturb Odysseus , and that's really the plot of the Odyssey , in a way , is that he's unable to get home , even though it's just around the corner .

So pacey , wow , yeah , so if anyone out there is in a Pysy , in a Neptune transit or here's this story and can relate it to their lives of where they're trying to go and all of this big storm that's going on that they can't quite seem to get there , or turning them around and around .

Well , you may be in that Neptune transit and it's worth getting in touch with this energy . It's worth getting in touch with the God , poseidon , or the energy of the ocean , and connecting back into that and knowing that , yeah , this is part of life right . These things happen . This is actually what the Odyssey is made of , those kinds of infusions in a way .

That's kind of the adventure in a way .

You've been pulled out , you've been there and you're sort of left in this darkness , not knowing what comes next , not sure what is in front of you or behind you , this sort of you know you can think of that sort of abyss or back to the womb of just and terrifying that can feel .

Because we want to be here , we want to know what comes next , we want to have that control piece and so that dark night of the soul can feel like you've been stripped of everything . And then the chaos . And when I was in the Neptune transit I kept using , I was like I feel like I'm in a washing machine .

I just feel like I can't get my feet on the ground and I'm being sort of pulled . And a teacher of mine said you know well what do you do when you drive through fog , like you , you slow down .

You know , because personally I wanted to get through the transit , I wanted to feel stable and feeling control and really what I had to do was to actually sink into it , to accept it , to surrender and believe that this process , this transit , was happening for me . And once I did that softness really guided me .

Then you then you're in that ocean and you're being taken to where that he needs to go to to be able to have his next task or his growth , evolution or whatever it might be . So it's again going back to that . There is a , there's an order to it all .

It doesn't feel like it when you're in it , but then when you come out of it you're like Whoa , that all happened . You know it can feel like this dream life that you've been swimming in , and then you come out and you feel renewed or reborn , but then also kind of , did that all just happen ?

But the last thing you want to do in the Neptunian kind of throws of Neptune transits is to speed up or try to get there or try to push or whatever it might be . As you say , the better tools for those times are in the field of surrender and letting go and realizing that there's this dissolution happening , there's this dissolving process that is underway .

And again , I believe or the faith is to is to go with that , Thinking that the dissolving is getting you back to something closer to your essential self , and not actually just making just kind of like punishing you for something or right .

It's like even with Odysseus or Ulysses , even in that story Poseidon is effectively stripping him of his ego , right , Like he's dissolved . He's like oh , you think that that was you ? Okay , well , here's 10 years at sea to have a think about that , of whether that really was . You know it was a 10 year war . Now you've got 10 years at sea .

Imagine how much you'd want to be getting home after a 10 year war by the way . And you just from Troy to Ithaca , you're just around the corner and you're so close and it's been this 10 years . Like haven't kind of like had a good bath in that time when our baths are here , they .

I think you should take that opportunity to talk about baths and Pisces and your relationship with the bath .

A short bath for me is two hours and I it's , it's sacred , I have my rituals , I have the certain candles , I say something before I go in , it's epsom salts and sea salts and beautiful music , and it's my time , it's just my time , and it's where I feel the most connected to my soul , where I can drift and dream .

And I'll be honest , sometimes I smoke some pot to , you know , be that Oracle on her and just allow myself to drift and dream . And it's , it's the most nourishing thing

for me . I've realized , you know , I've been through phases in my life where I haven't been able to have access to baths and I feel like a fish out of water . I don't feel myself . I actually feel that I have to come back , I have to come down , I have to get out of the head into my body , into this safety or nourishment that my bath gives me .

My reality , my worries , everything just leaves me and I realize how not me they are . Some people have their practices of sort of coming home to themselves . And for me there was a joke with trying to find a new place . The only question I ever asked is does it have a bathtub ? Like I don't .

I will not live somewhere without a bathtub because it's the truest access to myself , to my soul , to something greater than me , that I have . And you know it's not always baths for people . But I think it's really important to be able to know what can bring you home , what can bring you back into the soul .

If you're two in the head I can get so mind trapped , and that bath , you know , brings me down , brings me deep and into my felt sense again .

And so sometimes when we're listening to something about astrology and we don't know our charts so well , we're like we may have a resonance with a particular sign and I often think you know , if you don't know your astrology , it's worth really trusting that that somewhere in your chart will be speaking to that you know , for Faye , that's the bottom of the chart ,

which is the . IC takes you down into your roots in a way , and so baths are away . How to go to the roots ?

I don't have personal planets in Pisces , but I have a strong Piscian nature . Not that it doesn't rule me , but it grounds me .

It roots me into this , and so anybody who knows me well knows my love of the Ness and because it's a sacred act to me , it's Pisces , it's devotional , it's me having this time for myself to connect with something larger than me to bring me back home to myself to lose myself . Maybe that's actually yeah .

It's like this baptism , or this taking away of the layers and to reveal something , because , as you were talking about these long baths that you have , with everything that you put into it around the ritual , you know , it does seem like it's a rebirth moment for you or a time to go back into the womb .

So Jupiter is associated with both Sagittarius and Pisces and it's probably easy to see as the ruler of Sagittarius that fire sign , that that upper world wisdom seeing things from the mountaintop , that eagle eyed view that we associate with Sagittarius , and it can be a little harder to see it for Pisces .

But I do feel the presence of Jupiter in Pisces as a ruler of Pisces in the sense that really , where do our visions come from ? Or is a good exploration to look at that , where do these ideas originate ?

And to me , that sense of being connected to that unconscious process , that is kind of like how all of our shared resources are there in the deep unconscious right .

So when an artist or a musician or a filmmaker comes out with something that , just like to , can touch everybody , then to me they've tapped into something of the collective unconscious , and that's the Jupiter in Pisces , that's Jupiter's rulership there , right , some kind of vision as very Jupiterian concept , some kind that comes through , it's like tapped into and it

comes through from that deep well of the collective unconscious .

Again , if we go back to the beginning , it's that medium or that channeling of being able to sort of get out of oneself and share what the masses share . This , I would assume most people have experienced heartache in their life , or loss , or grief or all of these things .

And so that Jupiter and Pisces really reminds us , yeah , we're , we are human , we're souls , and but we're also human in this life and we do experience the same things . And maybe we don't have to feel so alone and at all when we remember this Jupiterian , piscian nature that we go through this together .

We're trying to have a resident , we're trying to tap into the resonance field of that emotion that isn't just ours and actually , maybe what we're trying to do is to connect our emotional state to the whole earth shianic experience of being human , right to connect ourselves to that resonance field of knowing that I'm not alone , even though the essence of that may

be loneliness , you know , to get into loneliness with the realization that , because so many people have felt there's so much so that you know there's so much music in the world , some that we've heard and some that we have not that has a resonance field with the emotion that we have .

I would say that every emotional state has some kind of music that goes along with it , because in some ways music is an outpouring of that collective unconscious . In some ways , music is the is the finest of the arts in a way , in that it's it's closest to the unconscious .

But I put on that playlist and just feel my body start to soften , feel the anxiety start to melt away because these artists that I have never known , will never know , reminded me of something that I'd forgotten and you know .

And then I had a friend who was going through a tough time and then I sent her my playlist and I'm like , just listen to some of the lyrics and so , again , this consciousness I'm somebody gave it to me , who then I'm giving it to them and it just we use and , you know , love sharing music so much because of that power , because it of that ability to

connect people in a different way .

It's much more of a sharing of of the wealth right , Because it is something where we can recognize that there's a commons here , right . There's a collective commons that we're drawing from so far , so that nobody could really say that was my song not in the Neptuneian world right .

Like you just happened to be passing by when that song was here in the waters or in the airwaves and you just walked into that .

And so he asks Poseidon to show a sign of his wealth and said Poseidon brings forth this bull out of the deep ocean and everybody goes Wow , yeah , okay , yeah , you're the king , yeah , you're meant to be the king , bulls being a symbol of wealth and power .

So his ability to work with Poseidon to bring that bull forward is that combination of king energy minus has and the magic that Poseidon has . So that's this beautiful moment . And Poseidon obviously says now , sacrifice that bull back to me . So sacrifice . This is very Pisces moment , isn't it ? Sacrifice that bull back to me .

Which is to say , if we take that out as a literal , it's to say acknowledge that that's not your bull , right ? The power that you have that's not yours , it was given by the gods and we don't want you to have that hubris experience of experiencing yourself as God , because that takes away from that reverence for the other side of reality .

And , of course , quite famously , minus can't do it because it's such a beautiful bull . He just can't sacrifice it back . So he takes one of his lessables , as though Poseidon will be fooled by such a move which , again it's like okay . Poseidon is going to see everything that's going on .

That's kind of part of this energy , right Like , as the humans , we may not be able to articulate it , because it's such unconscious process that it could be very hard to articulate . But the Poseidon that's there isn't human , and so you can see all and can experience all . This is what leads to Poseidon putting minus his wife , pacify , into a madness .

So she falls in love with that very bull and this is how the minotaur comes to be . This is how we get that shame of the minotaur who has to be locked in the middle of the labyrinth and how all this other process takes over from that myth . But that first part of the myth is again .

It's very similar to this year's where he's just not willing to give Poseidon his due and say actually this is not me , I've been blessed by the gods and that's such a better attitude to have it .

It avoids the kind of madness of hubris in a way right Like imagining that this is me , even if there's great genius coming through you , maybe especially if there's great genius coming through you .

This kind of these kinds of stories are probably quite useful , in the sense that you can remember that this is beyond me , that I'm me , and then I'm connecting to something beyond me through this .

I was like my hubris , my ego was like no , but this is what's supposed to happen , or you know , with the bull , I earned this . This is showing me my power and what I deserve . Everything was taken away . And so with clients when I work , if they're going through Neptune transit .

I really try and say if things are dissolving in your life , there's a reason . It's not for your highest self , it's not for the harder you grasp on . Neptune will still win and , trust me from personal experience . You can either fight it or surrender into it , but if you fight it he will still come out on top .

He will still take away what is not meant for you and I wish I had known that at the time of one of my first Neptune transits . But I did know that by the time of a second one . So I had that knowledge . I knew to not force , I knew to slow down in that fog .

I knew that what was being dissolved was absolutely meant to dissolve , but there was that initial refusal of it .

And there's something that is offered through Neptune and then Piscian process , that there is a bliss available . I feel like there's always a bliss available .

You may not be able to access it , though you may not be able to get your head around that that this could be blissful , and that may be just too far away from your lived experience of the pain of it all and the pain of loss . It's those times , isn't it ?

We're no longer in the Virgo opposite it , we're not in the everyday , we're not in the making things better phase of things , we're not trying to clean things up and work things out .

We're in a completely different realm now and even if it's quite extreme and we're quite out there with it , there's still that sense of being closer to the unconscious , and I think when we get to that closeness to the unconscious . There is always the possibility of that opening up of the bliss or some kind of a universal love .

There's so much more juicy information there . This myth is more . It's like a vignette , it's like a series of images rather than itself being a myth , I think . But they're good images because you know it's Pisces and so it takes place . The constellation , or the story behind the constellation , takes place during the clash of the Titans .

So in the war between Zeus and Cronus , aka Jupiter and Saturn , in this great war that was taking place again over 10 years , like number 10 associated with wars , the Greeks . So in this battle , aphrodite , who's also known as Venus , and her son Eros , who's also known as Cupid , there's just , there's no place for them in this war .

There's no , there's no where for them to really be . They're both God , they're both kind of associated with love , and so they change themselves into fish and swim down , and they're connected by this umbilical cord and swimming down , down , down into the ocean .

And that's what gives us the image of the two fish , connected by this umbilical cord , swimming in different directions . That's the image that we work with when we're working with Pisces .

We could say one is swimming towards the divine and one is swimming towards the human , or one is swimming towards the soul and one is swimming towards the spirit , or whatever it might be , but the actual you know the characters we have associated , associated with love , aphrodite and Eros . And Aphrodite , or Venus , is actually exalted in Pisces .

So you know this is a place where she likes to be , within the Pisces realm , I guess because it's closer to the artistic and the more beautiful , and she can access that beauty there . But they're swimming away from the typhon and the typhon is that great monster . I should really learn all of the different creatures it's made up of .

But let's just say like you know , like a kid would just smudge together all of these creatures to make a monster . That's sort of what they did with these hybrid creatures in ancient Greece as well . You know , it's got lions , heads and snakes , tails and wings and it's enormous . They had to put ten mountains on it in order to crush it , kind of thing .

But Aphrodite and Eros just had . Well , you know , another way to say it is , they were terrified of the typhon , which is obviously where we get our word typhoon and these big storms that come up every now and again .

I used to live in Taiwan and we get these enormous storms and you know , you couldn't go to school , you couldn't leave the house , kind of thing , because it was so chaotic .

And I think in some ways , those two fish associated with love , you know , will get a little further into who they are Aphrodite and Eros , because it's quite complex who they are , but these two love deities swimming away , the connection of mother and son there through the umbilical cord , and then this other image of the typhon .

We kind of have both of these images associated with Pisces . Then , you know , I think Pisces can be the typhon as well . You know , like when things really unravel in the Piscesian universe , right , when they just can't hold all the emotion together anymore , then it can just come out everywhere like the typhon , right ?

And so Venus and Eros wanting to stay together and safe in their bubble , in their , you know , in their love and compassion as this massive war is raging on and this typhon looms overhead and it makes me remember the allure of escapism you know , and I'm totally guilty of that , 100% . That can be the shadow side of my bath . I just want to escape .

I just want to escape , and so you have this sort of chaotic , overwhelming , you know , waves of emotion , waves of the reality that you don't want to experience , in this case the war . And needing to escape , needing to sort of bubble yourself off in the safety , has always really stuck with me .

And but I think that sort of that compassion , love , piece of Venus and Eros together , and the power of that , the power to go underneath , to go protect oneself from the madness of the world , and yet you're never able to fully escape it . And so when does it become this sort of integration of the , of the two parts versus escapism and it's ?

You know my phrase can be it's just too much . It's just too much . I can't handle the typhon , you know , it's just . It's overbearing for the sensitivity that I feel .

Right , when we , when we really sit with that and stare at the loss of innocent lives and the loss of civilian lives , you know people aren't , people are being dragged into this war that have nothing to do with this war . There's that real like what are we to do ?

You know , because there is a piecing part of us that feel that has this kind of go all the way through . It can be just so devastating , the , the witnessing of typhon energy . So then the desire to escape becomes very real . Right , we do want to make that escape away from that part of reality and get into some kind of fantasy materials .

So in the negative sense it can be just completely checking out of reality and not paying attention anymore , in which case you're sort of not in the world anymore . But then it has this beautiful positive side of the fantasies .

You know , hillman and young and the young ends really focus on the fantasies as part of how to know yourself , how to know the psyche is to pay attention to dreams and what it dreams .

But elaborate fantasies , right , and you sleep well , you're not world , and really give reverence back to that world , give reverence to the fantasies that you have give reverence to the escapism that you have . And I think you know it's kind of like we have this world of the eye of Mordor kind of keeps pulling us forward into the , these computer screens

and everything Right . We keep getting kind of thrown and that sensitive side of all of us is like thrown into the devastation of the one round after another , and I think there needs to be a level of escapism within that too , Right , there needs to be . We need to be able to unplug out of that , and Pisces does offer us this kind of like .

Don't forget , there's all these other worlds as well .

There's this juxtaposition that the typhon can feel so overwhelming if we forget that Venus eros piece , if we forget the love and the compassion and the pleasure and the joy that is still available , it's still available to us . That can be so nurturing when we're facing that typhon .

It can , you know , for the activists , or it can be that that lifeblood that fuels that action piece , that fuels the change , or whatever it might be , but so it can be so alluring to almost be overtaken by the typhon if we forget about these beautiful , simple pleasures that are happening around us .

You know , originally eros is one of the first five elements to come from chaos , at the very beginning . So the first set of chaos and those five things , including Gaia , eros is like born alongside Gaia , and of course it has to be so , because how's there going to be creation without eros , right ?

Like without things coming together or being attracted to each other , you can't create you know , on a really fundamental level .

And then , and then you know , gaia gives birth to Uranus , uranus is then her partner , and then from the seven generals of Uranus which are thrown to the ocean , so another kind of oceanic component comes Aphrodite , and Aphros is like from the foam , and so we have these figures .

So you can hear in that story Aphrodite is actually a more ancient deity than Zeus , for instance , or Hera or that generation . She's born before that generation , and she's not fathered by anyone or mothered . Actually , she is herself another incarnation , we could say , of great mother energy in that form .

Now , later , she's born and in a different poet , homer has her born into creation as a son , as a daughter of Zeus . But in Hesiod's work , she's not born , she emerges from the ocean . They're complicated figures and then her son is Eros . So then , not only is she born , but she has a child , eros .

She has several children , but Eros being the child of her and Mars or Erez , so there's pure creation of this child . So isn't it interesting , then , that we have those two that are down there these ancient but not so ancient , you know , because they have this paradox within them , that they're from the old world and the new world .

And it's interesting because if Aphrodite has a component in the story of being the great mother , then we all return back to the great mother , the great mother ocean , as represented by Aphrodite in this story .

But then she's also connected to the child , or in this case the boy Eros , who's ready to be born again , you know , who's ready to be born back into Aries and off , we go again . We're going to start the cycle again , or part of us is . And part of us is gone .

So in some ways , you know , part of us is that child ready to be born again and part of us is done , rejoining the one and being done with this whole having a self thing , having a separate identity thing . These are the images that sort of have come forward .

I find it very funny that we're right near the end of the episode and I haven't gone through the keywords . So this is to make sure that we have the keywords in here . So I just just to kind of help us round it out , the keywords for Pisces sensitive , compassionate , receptive and imaginative . I think we covered all of those things .

Positive and negative , sympathetic , interesting , positive , sentimental is the negative dreamy is the positive , unfocused is the negative , psychic is the positive , neurotic is the negative . That's interesting .

So that's kind of like the typhon versus the deep ocean , and then passive is positive , apparently , but submissive is negative , and that gives us that sort of final rounding of the sign for people to chew on when they think about Pisces . So there we go . I think what we've done there is we've made it all the way to the end of the circle .

You know , we probably didn't realize some of this , this , the myths and the stories and the images that we would talk about , but hopefully it's been helpful and it's definitely been helpful for me and you know , as we just entered Pisces season and we have a couple more weeks and the Pisces new moon of really working with those energies that are coming up , if

you're feeling tidal waves of emotion , how can that be part of this process ? How can that be part of this dissolving process ? Before we start the zodiac again , the astrological new year again , and get back into the sense of self , you know , can we fully release that tight grasp and see what actually that feels like over the next couple weeks ?

I'm actually in the process of making a calendar with someone here where we actually have , you know , kind of like a reconnection back to the way a calendar should be and what the calendar is , because certainly December , when we're at , you know , just starting off Capricorn season , certainly doesn't feel like this kind of like dissolving , ending , releasing process ,

you know . So we're out of step in a way , but this time of year to me it really does feel like a dissolving , releasing process .

While the suns in Pisces , it feels very honoring of that particular energy , knowing that when it comes to March 20th , 21st , here we go again , you know it kicks off again and and from that , from that deep oceanic space , the child is born .

We begin a whole new cycle , right , but for now and until that time , we are sort of invited by the Pisces and consciousness , or the Neptune in all , the Poseidon consciousness , to to really feel a way into a purification and a cleansing Of the year that was so important .

To do that every now and again , and Pisces gives us the permission to say , hey , it's okay . Okay , let go of a bunch of stuff now , it'll all be , there when you pick it up again in areas anyway .

You might as well let go of a little while , just like Atlas gets to let go of the vault of heaven's on each of us for a little while Before he's tricked by Hercules into picking it up again .

But at least giving a little bit of a drop of the shoulders , a little bit of relaxation , a little bit of catching one's breath or learning to breathe underwater , and the release , the renewal , the letting go , and Off we go .

That's with Martha Alta Heinz , who I've been working with recently . She's in California . She's she's a psychic and she's Pisces was a craniocerebral therapist and a psychotherapist . We have these real connectors between us and she's a channel and all this kind of cool stuff .

So I wanted to talk to her about what that's like and what is her , what is a process and a journey and how she's really made that a part of her world and a part of her life , that connection in what we've talked about today Over the channeling and the and the plugging into the deep unconscious and letting that come through , letting the archetypes speak through

her , you know . So I'm really looking forward to that final interview and you know it's been , it's been wonderful . Thank you for joining me for most of the second half of the zodiac . And well , when did we get together ? Libra from Libra on yeah . Capricorn we missed that right .

So thank you for becoming a part of on the source terms podcast really appreciate you .

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