#61 | Sagittarius | The Archer

I mean , I don't know about a lot of people , but I think not everybody's been feeling the Sagittarian energies maybe they will talk about in a second , but I think this podcast is going to be a great way to sort of help us reorient and bring back the meaning if maybe potentially we've been in sort of scorpionic waters over these last little while .

Okay , it all makes sense , but continually being drawn back into underworld themes and that's certainly how it's been , personally for me , and not for you too and our , our sagirizingness has maybe been desiring to go forward into the into the fire of it all and into the meaning making and into the .

It's a bit like in in our last episode in Medusa right , we talked about the Pegasus and , and Christ saw those two figures born out of the , the capitated head of Medusa . So we get this image of like a flying horse , very Sagittarian imagery , and also the one with the , the golden sword in the Christ saw figure .

You know , gold , that sword that can really delineate and make sense of things and and come into , I guess , rational , but also not just rational , like myth making as well , and understanding this moment in terms of all other moments and these things that Sagittarian can help us with .

And , of course , the image of a , of a horse that has the four feet that can be on the ground but also wings that can fly up into the air , and I think that's a very rich image for Sagittarius .

But then again and again feeling a bit more like Medusa's frozen , that's maybe your or not really having the ability to to get past the frozen states or whatever it might be . So if anybody out there can relate to that , maybe people are going yeah , why is it that it feels like a super long Scorpio season or something like that ?

Then we're with you , and if you're out there going , like no , I'm totally set up right now . I'm I'm up in the sky and I'm seeing everything . So clearly . That's like good for you , awesome , thank you , and pass that some to us .

So I think that's this internal part of me that has definitely felt in Scorpio waters is desperate for that side energy of lightness and playfulness and you know it's all for and but also sometimes I think you know , maybe what you and I both need right now is these reminders to help lift out .

Maybe I can bring a bit of laughter into this even if you're going through a tough time , you know that winged horse , that freedom that expands that above you know , getting out of this sort of narrow fixed energy of Scorpio and getting into that mutable energy .

We look first to the combination of energies , which is it's positive , that doesn't mean good in astrology , just means positive is in more outward and negative means more inward . It's a fire sign and it's a mutable sign , and I think it's important to say that Sagittarius is the final of the three fire signs .

So we're going to start getting into , as we move into this final phase of the signs , the matured fire , and then the matured earth of Capricorn , the matured air of Aquarius and matured water of Pisces . So that's , we're into this final phase , in a sense of the of the wheel Obviously we've already been in through . We started with the fire of Aries .

That was the cardinal fire , the starting fire . We moved into the fixed fire of Leo and now we're going into the mutable fire of Sagittarius . So in some ways , that is a , that is a sharing of the wisdom that Sagittarius is interested in . Now the key words that they have for Sagittarius is optimistic , enthusiastic , adventurous and philosophical .

It's a really nice four words to get us into , like what that arrow of Sagittarius is really aimed for aimed at . Optimism , enthusiasm , you know , adventure , philosophy , these are the things that we're heading for the positive expressions freedom , loving , honest , outgoing and wise , and then they come along with their negative expressions .

So the shadow , I suppose , of freedom loving is non-committal , the shadow of honesty is bluntness , the shadow of outgoing is indiscriminate and the shadow of wise is dogmatic .

That gives us a nice range of where the Sagittarius can land , where that arrow , if it doesn't quite reach its mark , where it may head off or fall flat or head into some different arenas , where that mutable fire can become troublesome , like that non-committal energy , you know , never really able to stick with one thing , always moving on and aiming that arrow at

a completely new thing , or the bluntness instead of the honesty , where that sword , the golden sword or the chrysaur , that can be used to just be really clear and honest and cut through something , and it can also be a blunt sword where you just sort of bludgeoning , it becomes almost like regressed , that sword back to the club , like back to Hercules' club right

. That doesn't have any edges , it's just like bang , bang , bit , like the hammer always seeking out nails . Indiscriminate , that's an interesting one . So not using any of that discernment and just ranting and raving . I would say indiscriminate , and then dogma .

I think we'll get into a nice discussion , in a way , about that dogmatic energy , because once Sag finds that truth even though it's a mutable sign , once it finds that truth , it can become fixed on it , like this is the way .

This is the truth , this is the only truth , which is the I suppose it's the shadow of having an arrow or a bow and arrow pointed at something .

And that's also the opposition to Gemini that we'll get into , where Gemini can see multiple truths all available at the same time , and Sag may feel that that's antithetical to the wisdom it's trying to cultivate , and so it just stares just directly at that target and then loses things along the way .

It can be non-committal , it can be indiscriminate , it can go all which way , but when it does focus , when it is able to hone that energy , it can be so narrow in its view , in its focus , that it actually doesn't allow any spaciousness for what else is around or other points of view .

Or this is the only way I know the capital T truth , and that's whatever .

It doesn't want to be fuzzy , it doesn't want to be fuzzy thinking , and if it allows in too many variables , then it's not able to really focus as it needs to . So I can get why things would get dogmatic .

You know , what sprung to my mind just now is that when I was studying economics at university , one of the things that they had us do in an economic model is you had to hold other things as constant .

So hold these variables that are clearly not ever going to be constant , but you hold them as constant so that you can explore the one variable that you want to explore . I always found that that's a very suspicious move to hold these other things as constant Because you know . so you're admitting that they're not constant , right ?

But you have to hold them as constant in your mind briefly , so that you can look at the one variable you want to look at . But how sad is that ? Because in the thing that you want to look at , then you forget that you've been holding these things constant .

They're not constant , they're actually all variables , which is why you know Sagittarius energy always invites the Gemini trickster in to start fuzzing things up for it again , right ?

So it wants to fix on that one thing so that it can get . And rightfully so , because it wants to get just the information from that one thing , but can forget that it's played this game , just like my economics professors . Maybe Are those variables that we've fixed ? Did we remember to come back and make the variable again once we got the information ?

When we think about , especially when we look to , the ruler of Sagittarius , which is Jupiter , which tends to be an expander of whatever you know , like an amplifier , like an amplifying force of whatever it's connected to or attached to , a multiplier , almost right , that's like a 10 times multiplier a 100 times multiplier .

So wherever Jupiter is in your chart tends to be multiplying whatever it is touching . So yeah , expansiveness , I think that is missing . I think nomadic would be something that I would throw in there , which is a little bit beyond just freedom loving .

I think it's a bit of a desire to be a wanderer , and of course may have its shadow when we wander too long sometimes .

You know something to be explored and you know to see what else is out there , to learn to gather .

So that's really interesting too , and that could maybe take us into some of the Chiron story , because that that's where Chiron the Centaur , the wise Centaur , gets injured in the thigh . Yeah , interesting that it rules the hips and the thighs .

Do you have any kind of feeling around that of the body part that Sagittarius rules ?

You're propelling yourself out of something very fixed into this expansiveness , into this openness and yeah , so for me that's the sort of imagery that comes up around the hips and the thighs of this also stabilizer you know , and how integral they are and , as somebody who has not been feeling very Sagittarian recently , I've been craving it .

you know I want it so badly and it's been a good lesson for me of I'm pretty sure we've talked about in the Scorpio . You can't force it just because I want to feel that way Just because I'm ready to make meaning out of all the hardships that we've gone through .

I don't mean it's actually the right time , but there's that forward momentum or propelling you , to sort of help shift you out from one state to another .

Yeah , the quads being like one of the most powerful muscle groups right those four muscles in the thighs are actually yeah , I never really thought about it like that that's a really powerful big muscles that are able to push us forward and propel us , and so in the injuring of that we would lose some of that mobility and lose some of that freedom .

You know , if there's an arrow that accidentally goes in there from the blood of the Hydra or the Hydra and hits us in there , just like Chiron , then it's part of the wound , right , it's part of the wound of . Maybe as animals we're more nomadic and then we start to become settlers and then we get injured there .

Or there's images of the Fisher King gets injured there and Chiron gets injured there . It's a common sort of mystic place to be injured in a way , to be injured in the thigh . So you're bringing forward the element of mobility there .

I also think the element of libido and sexual force also gets injured there , and so we'll be able to explore that a little in when we get to Zeus and some of the Zeus herodynamics . If we wander in there in our mythic place .

I guess the last thing I bring in is the symbol , which is this arrow , which is I always look at it as you know an arrow going 45 degrees up and to the right and there's a line in the middle that I've always seen as like a horizon line in the middle of the sign .

So there's a horizontal line there and a 45 degree angled arrow line going through with an arrow head , and so it's a very strong image to me . It's like that left side of the arrow , the downside of the arrow , seems to be coming from the sign before it in Scorpio .

And the arrow then goes up and wants to get to the top of the mountain , which goes forward into the Capricorn journey and our journey to the , to the pinnacle of the peak experience .

There's something in beyond and I think that's what Sagittarius always reminds me of is that there's something beyond what I'm experiencing , what I'm thinking , and that's for me personally , gives me a sense of freedom , gives me that expansiveness in my body , that spaciousness of okay , yeah , I might not be able to see where the other was going , but I know it's

going somewhere . I know that it's not fixed . It's leading me somewhere . Only the arrow knows where it's going . I've wanted to try archery for that reason . A because of that focus that I think I would benefit from , but also just that power , and when something leads you beyond and there's a sense of trust .

You know , I think that for me is a big part of Sagittarian , maybe with Jupiter as its ruler . There's this . It's not blind trust , but there is this sort of bigger picture that's unfolding that we might not be able to see . We might want the answers , like Capricorn , but we're not at Capricorn yet .

We're shooting that arrow straight up into the sky , having no idea where it's going to land . I'm really having to sort of open to that trust or faith , or whatever you might want to call it , without really knowing the absolute at the end of it all .

I always look at that element of Sagittarius that has to aim at something just a little bit beyond it or a little bit in A bit , a little bit less possible and less probable , like I don't know if I can actually reach that . But I got to aim for it , and and as soon as the Sagittarian arrow stops aiming high at some kind of ideal , things get pretty .

Depressed . Things get pretty you know , and that is . It actually talks , even in this article , about the shadow side of Sagittarius , less talked about his depression and the element of feeling kind of lethargic or , you know , unhappy and and Like life doesn't have a meaning and doesn't have a purpose , because that's all the opposite energy .

That's like the risk that it takes , in a way , by aiming at this thing far away . Right , it aims at it , at it with a certain amount of hope and a certain amount of Trust and a certain amount of faith that that this place that I'm going to there's gonna be like there's gonna be a palace there , there's gonna be a .

The Fisher King is the parcel fool is like there's gonna be a castle there , the Fisher King's castle . It is going to be there , you know .

That can be very sort of terrifying actually for the Sagittarian experience . If , like , if life doesn't prove itself to be this great mythic adventure and there's the feeling of like , just dreariness or nothing's really happening here , you know that can be the most terrifying experience now for the Sagittarian energy .

And yeah , I can speak from personal experience when I've been in a depression , those weren't there and that was the scariest feeling I've ever felt .

Yeah , you know , to not be able to have something that I was dreaming towards or what it was all for , you know , and so I think that's a really important part , because Maybe you know we can talk about misconceptions of the Sagittarius , that it's all party and you know Stand for 6a dancing and just having a ball . But there is that finally .

I was talking to a mentor a month ago about this . Without that meaning piece for Sagittarians , they can fall into apathy or depression or what's what's . What's the point ?

You know it's funny because I feel like the this movie that came out last year , everything everywhere all at once , was like a Mythic movie . You know they don't happen very often every 20 years or so maybe because I felt like the Matrix was a mythic movie and Everything everywhere all at once .

Also as a mythic movie because it's like suddenly there's so many variables , kind of like what I was talking to you can't About the economics study . It's like you can't narrow anything down , you can't focus on anything and there's just too many things like Multiple realities all existing all at once .

And then towards the end of the movie they showed the element of the bagel and the hole in the middle of the bagel and so that empty kind of void space that's so terrifying , right like that this thing and and the daughters like being sucked into this vortex .

Such a good image and the whole family and the whole ancestral line is holding on like no , I don't go there , like ultimately saying like hey there's a meaning here . There's not . This isn't just an empty , illusionary , depressing place . You know there is a journey . There is a night's journey , there are damsels and distress to be saved it .

You know there are mythical figures around . There is a big , invisible world that we can't see , that this world is magical , and I think Sagittarius needs to have that and without that or it doesn't even have to be magical .

It's like that there's a there's a rational thing to figure out , or that there's a you know there's philosophy , and if you can understand all these philosophers , you can get a sense of the , the greater reality , or whatever it is . You know , wherever that arrow ? Is aimed at .

It doesn't have to be mythical , magical , although it often is but it can be very Rational , very scientific , very logical , as long as the arrow is aimed somewhere .

It helped brought in my perspective again .

It helped me remember the larger things that play , that you know what else is going on and just immediately that spaciousness can help , at least for me , relax my system of like okay , something much bigger is going on , or this might be why this is happening , or I don't even have to make sense of it all , but just knowing that this is part of what life is

.

It's like Because it's coming out of the sign before it of Scorpio , right , it's like it's very important that , after coming through the dark night of the soul and death process , to come into a sense of meaning . Of course Sagittarius can have a reputation for jumping forward because it wants to get to that meaning straight away .

But the other side of it would be to not make it above that horizontal line and to be such back into that vortex place . And this is why I am one of our favorite you and you

and I . One of our favorite characters is the I am be who's who's who shows up in the midst of dammit , is grieving process and just makes a laugh with the inappropriate humor you know . We don't know exactly what she said , but she's clearly said something that is a little bit off beat and off key .

And then pretty soon dammit is rolling around on the floor and just from that laughter she's able to not necessarily fully move on because they're still much more of the journey to go in her in her myth , but she's able to sort of like tap back into some kind of a central life force and and the joy and the thrill of it all , even in the darkest times , is

like , wow , what it is . And all of this is a miracle .

It's sort of like comes back to something essential of Of the fact that I can even be in this consciousness , in this body , and experiencing this great tragedy is in itself still a miracle , you know even if I hate it and I know and I've lost a lot , and I mean the terrible , painful , tragic , traumatic experience .

It's still a miracle that anything is happening at all , in a way like some kind of baseline of the miracle of life .

You know , you might be in this split Space and you'll watch a movie that makes you laugh , or a friend will , you know , remind you of something from high school or whatever it might be , and like , literally , that happened to me last week In you know , in quite a low place and then when laughter was brought back in and I remember , all right , yes , life is

hard and I'm going through these things , but I can still Laugh at the absurdity of it all or remember that it's not this one possible thing and I think you and I are so passionate about . I am because I'm just like more people need to know about her , she , she was the only person that was able to help me like , yeah , beautiful yeah .

Of any single God God is human , animal , beast the one that could help was laughter you know just enough to help her remove herself from where she was , that grief returner to perspective , or that upward arrow of okay , I'm Rejuvenated . I remember , you know , maybe that's it . I remember why I'm doing this you know her case . I'm finding my daughter okay .

I have that energy that that life giving energy that that laugh gave to me to be able to continue my quest or my adventure .

enthusiasm is to remember the God within order to get back in touch with the God and specifically get back in touch with Zeus and to and Joe Vio is is also Jupiter . So these , these are language does take us back to those places .

And he we were laughing that he always makes himself known and you always know when you're looking at Jupiter . I don't know , always know . That's the one of course as a , as a planet .

As we go through the planets we have , you know , the sun , obviously , and then it goes Mercury , venus , earth , mars , that's a sort of like in a planet closest to the sun , and then after Mars , we have to go really , really , really long way , and that that arrow of Mars points to this idea that's out there way beyond these inner planets , and that's when we

get to Jupiter and Jupiter is a big gas giant with over a hundred moons circling around it get gathering more moons , so it's later pulling in moons from the , from the atmosphere , pulling in this debris and making itself another moon , which is kind of like interesting around . You know , most of these moons they name after Zeus's lovers actually .

So Europa is one of the moons and these Because he was he was promiscuous in that way he was generative , we could say , to be generous to him . So when you're looking at Jupiter , you kind of get that sense of this , you know . So it's bright in the sky , it's one of the brighter stars . Of course , those inner stars , like Venus , can be extremely bright .

So Venus and Jupiter are sort of two of the brightest stars out in the sky , and Jupiter particularly so because it's so far away but it's so big so it really shows up bright .

Now , jupiter was the Roman name for the God Zeus , and it's interesting even there that the difference between Jupiter and Zeus , like they're just such different feeling God's , I think , different feeling names , but of course it's the same . It's the same basic God . The reason we're talking about Jupiter , by the way , is that it's the ruler of Sagittarius .

So each of the signs has a ruler , and Jupiter is the ruler of Sagittarius , and each of those rulers of the science give us a whole other complexity to what the sign is ultimately about , and that's why they thought well , why don't we go into the planet ruler Jupiter and just have a feel of that ?

Just like when we Are talking about Libra , we talk about Venus because she's the ruler of Libra . So Jupiter , zeus , many , many , many , many , many stories About Zeus and we get this idea definitely needs more Sagittarian element is the king of the gods .

He's the ruler , he's the one with the wisdom , he's who people turn to to bring a judgment down or some kind of justice considered to be very much benevolent . You know , in his origin story , chronos , who's saddened , is swallowing all of his children , right because he there's been a prophecy that he's going to be overthrown by one of his children .

So rather than let that happen chronos is the idea as well as each one is born on , just swallow it . So just eat my children and that's a great solution , very chronos , saturnian solution . And the sixth child that's born is Zeus or Jupiter .

And rather than Zeus being swallowed , his mother Rea puts a rock in swaddling clothes and hands that to her husband , chronos , and he eats that down instead .

And they whisk away Zeus into a kind of a paradise realm where he is free and he's having this happy childhood and he's raised by Amothea , who's the sister of Pan , who gives him mother's milk and she's like a nanny goat , so he gets this kind of like mother's milk coming from the nanny goat .

He has a mentor or a teacher named Metis and she's very important in the story because , because Metis is this wise oceanid and we get this sense of like , not only is this taught by the oceanid , so so taught by ocean wisdom .

I think that's a very important part of this is there's an oceanic , collective , unconscious , sort of deep cellular memory that is taught . But of course , zeus isn't the best student in the world , so he doesn't like fully learn all of these things , because basically he's thinking about , like when does he get to have sex with Metis ?

I mean , especially when it comes into his teen years ? Like , well , when does this turn into sex , you know ? And she's like , no , zeus , no , no , no , you're here to learn all these lessons , right , and then by the time you know , zeus is ready to marry Hera and become the king of all of the gods .

It's almost like Metis is like he hasn't fully learned , he hasn't fully taken in all of the lessons that I've been teaching him , because those lessons are very Sagittarian too .

Right , like teacher , the guru , the mentor are in the Sagittarian realm , but the ocean wisdom is the other thing that Jupiter rules , which is Pisces , which is the final sign of the zodiac . But we're not in that water , we're in the fire right now , and it's hard to learn in that way all of the things that Metis comes up with .

A new solution to this is like I'm going to locate myself inside of Zeus's head . That's the only way that I can really make sure that he has sufficient wisdom , and if I try to teach him and impart the knowledge , he hasn't been able to fully learn it . So on their wedding day they go into you know the story , but they shape , shift into multiple shapes .

Eventually they do make love and then , after they've made love , metis turns her into herself , into a fly . She says to Zeus I bet you can't catch me turns herself into a fly .

Instinctively , zeus turns himself into a lizard , which is interesting because that's the ultimate regressed sort of state , is to go all the way back to reptilian and then also instinctively sticks out his tongue and takes Metis into him himself , and so that was Metis's plan all along .

Now she's located on the inside and then , when he comes back into his human form , nine months later , athena is born from his skull , basically . And so Athena is the daughter , therefore , of Zeus and Metis . But also what I'd like to remember there is that Metis is ultimately the wisdom keeper that lives inside of Zeus's mind or gut or wherever she is .

She's in there kind of forever talking to him in a way forever , giving him just that little bit of extra wisdom . So he has the wisdom of the learnings , but he also has something more intrinsic of the oceanic cellular knowing in him too , which is what makes him such a great actually a really great ruler .

Not because of his own knowing , but because inside of him , metis is also at play .

You know , what I thought of was that fire energy . That's Saj , is that passion . You know , following that passion , if that passion is alive and you know , like my dying fire this morning . If it's not there , it feels empty .

And so there's this one side to Zeus , but there is this deep , meaningful with him and Metis sort of merging into one that is kind of able to almost act as that arrow a little bit , you know , help him Not stay in potentially I wouldn't by any means say boyish , but this sort of like no consequences metis sort of brings back . That's what is it all for .

Go deeper , go deep to rise up type of energy , because within that wisdom , because it there is forget how you said it but the sort of oceanic , cellular wisdom . And when you said that I felt that all over and I think a lot of people it's . You know that's what with the consensus reality . You , you know what that means .

You know what that feels like deep within . So I've always loved that myth and and metis for also just knowing who she's dealing with . She knows and even within that method , there's playfulness , there's fun , there's laughter .

There's a huge array of different human experiences and you can just kind of like sit with all of that , we won't give you some lesson . We'll just let you kind of sit in it and wander around in this , but it's interesting . You mentioned consequences .

So yeah , the Sagittarius element would be not so keen on hanging around to see what the consequences actually are . Of course , right Like who wants that ? Right , like , ultimately this may be coming back to those expressions of non-committal and what have . You Don't want to see the consequences .

So then what would happen is that consequences would be projected out , and I think that's what's really interesting in the relationship between Zeus and Hera , because Hera , being the great mother , is ultimately bringing the consequences to all of Zeus's happen , all of Zeus's happenings

in the world . And because Zeus can't help himself . He finds the world very beautiful and he has to go and interact with it all the time , and particularly he interacts with women and the occasional young man . And this guy like Ganymede he has a little fling with Ganymede , these kinds of things he just finds beautiful things beautiful .

He wants to get in there and amongst it . But of course he's married to Hera and he has this whole relationship with her . And so we see this dichotomy in a way and Jason Holly talks about the day world , night world dichotomy you know , the day world version of Zeus is the king of kings and he's on the throne .

He reminds us of that white bearded man in the sky that we've all been taught is God and these kinds of things . He is the image of that , ultimately . And then also he has these complete night world persona where he's running around in the night time chasing nymphs , chasing , chasing , chasing .

Whoever's pretty , whoever's like , grabs his attention and he just can't help himself .

And when he does that , every time he does that , hera finds out , obviously easily , she knows , and then it acts , that Saturnian consciousness , because Hera is very close to her father Cronus , she's kind of like one with the Cronus energy or the archetypal force of Saturnian consciousness , and so she's like well , there are consequences .

There are consequences usually for the women , so usually for the mortals . Is the way to say that the mortals are the one that take on the consequences of the gods disputes ? Another piece of like solid mythic wisdom .

there , you know , it's the gods that are having trouble , but the humans have to play that trouble out , sometimes tragically and sometimes comedically , and sometimes everything in between , right , but that's the thing . It is the desire for that ultimate .

I just want to be free , I just want to express , I want to just create , I want to find things out , I want to have multiple experiences with multiple people and then it's like , well , there are consequences to that , and there are .

You know , there are broken hearts and there are , there's painful scenarios and there's all sorts of things can come out of that , that , while you're having all , that fun here's the consequences , following not far behind , and Zeus doesn't want any of those consequences , but they come for him or they come for you know .

You get the sense of , like I don't think he feels so good when , say , ayo gets turned into you know a cow and then gets haunted by this gadfly for the rest of her life . Like I don't think Zeus feels so good about that little fling that he decided to have with Ayo , right , like he ? Was just trying to have a little fun .

She has to pay for that for the rest of her existence . Not so great .

And so , even with Zeus's life , you know the abundance of beautiful women and men all around in nature and the freedom and I'm the king of gods and I can you know . Look at this abundant , beautiful heaven that I've created .

And then , when it crosses over into excess , and yeah , the consequences aren't the , the , the feeling that you know I can keep doing whatever I want , and and and it stops there , and you know , and that's all the sort of mind is saying is , oh , I can just do whatever I want .

You know , I grow my own vegetables and I have all these herbs and I'm like , oh , I'll just keep making my tea all the time , all the time , like it won't run out , and then I'm out of , I'm out of my peppermint leaves or whatever they might be , and like , oh right , just because I wanted more , more , more , more , more doesn't mean that that's actually

possible . And you know , or I'll just put on all the hot sauce that I want , because , whatever it doesn't matter and then I can't eat my food Like they're so small . but I kind of enjoy finding these moments because I'm like oh , that Jupiter in me , you know , just like whatever you know right . So that Saturn or a hero or Capricorn is like ?

Well , let me tell you what that actually means , Right ?

It's a center which is a half horse like horse on the on the lower side , human on the upper side , and many images can come of that . But also the , the arches that we know in in mythology , for instance Apollo and Artemis , the twins , both with a bow and arrow , both whom , of whom I've talked about quite a lot on the show , and in particularly Artemis .

And so Artemis , again , you know , she has a relationship to Virgo as the Virgin Goddess . She has a relationship to Scorpio in a relations with Orion , cause , as you were talking about that , you know , the excess Orion's story is that he does , he's a great hunter , but he doesn't know when to stop hunting . He doesn't know he .

He's actually trying to wipe out all the wilderness . And he has a relationship to Zeus as in well , his birth story is really interesting that the carcass of a bear is pissed on by Zeus , hermes and Poseidon , and that gives birth to Orion .

So this is a character that has no mother and is only born from male masculine energy and then ends up being this hunter , who's an amazing hunter , you know .

He's a giant , basically , is his Godlike , but he doesn't know when to stop hunting , he doesn't know when to stop taking from nature , and so Artemis becomes this other figure within this , that that falls for Orion but then gets really put off by his excesses , kind of thing .

So you know , like there is that , and maybe in that sense , because all of these archetypes and polytheistic traditions , they they draw together , they draw to themselves the opposite right , because Artemis' style of hunting is is to make sure that there's always going to be abundance , because she doesn't take more than she needs at any given time , and so she's a .

That just makes her such an interesting figure . She's a protector of the animals , but also a hunter , or a huntress .

So , lots of images coming out of this , but I just wanted to sort of mention that , because Orion was somebody that that I talked with Jason Holly about . We had a whole episode about Artemis and Orion recently on the podcast in Scorpio season .

So we can also see just like how intrinsically there is a storyline of the Zodiac that it does , that it really is like Scorpio does lead into Sagittarius , which does lead into Capricorn , and at this point of the Zodiac you can get real sense of that , real feel for that .

You know , even going back to Libra was the claws of the Scorpion , the scales of the claws of the Scorpion , those yes , no right , wrong things take us into the deep waters of Scorpio .

Out of that we or even you know like relationship , another way to say it takes us into the depths of of the Scorpion , even if we think we're just in this really light , fun , playful thing of Libra , it's all love and light and everything . Then we get taken into the Scorpio realm .

You know , and that's , that's funnily enough , if the score , if the story is going well , we'll go into the Scorpio realm actually , because it'll move out of , out of the Libran into the Scorpion , then into the Sagittarius , but there's no skipping that journey . There's no , there's no way to just bounce over Scorpio into Sag .

You understand what it is all for , you see the realness of what it is to be human , and then bring that into life , into your world , into your relationship and hopefully it fuels you , it grounds you , it bonds you , it rejuvenates you for the next journey .

In fact , in the Persian invasion in the fifth century BCE , that was their first encounter with bow and arrows , so they did .

That's why they put bow and arrows in the hands of centaurs , Cause one idea around centaurs as a mythology is like when the Persians invaded , they came in from the north and they were on horseback with bow and arrow , and so that was an image that they hadn't really seen before .

So , it all got sort of like mythologized into the center or this kind of barbaric force that came in and Athens was a symbol of order and democracy , and this chaotic force came in or how it would have been felt in Athens at the time is this big chaotic force in the form of these centaurs with bow and arrows , and then they can hit you from distance , which

is new because they're working mostly with swords and armor and things and now suddenly you can get hit from a distance . So , and also they really tore apart the entire Athens society and then built it back up again .

That was what was really interesting about that period of history is that then the Persians came back to help them build up things after the battle , which is kind of like Scorpion and the Sajin , its own way Right .

So this , this bow and arrow , was different and new , but then they really embraced it into the mythology , because Apollo has bow and arrow , artemis has the bow and arrow , eros has the bow and arrow , which is really interesting . That in itself is interesting . About what kind of bow and arrow are we talking about ?

You know , there's a great little side story there around . Apollo was teasing Eros one day about his arrow . It's like that little thing . What damage can you do with that ? Just kind of like giving him , giving him crap about this bow and arrow that he had .

It's kind of like the crocodile Dundee scene of call that a knife , this is a knife , that kind of scene , right . And so Eros flies away a bit upset and he's like , well , I'm going to get back at this guy .

So he comes back and Apollo is never really fallen in love with anybody at that point gets hit by one of Eros's arrows but he makes him fall in love with Daphne , who's a follower of Artemis , his twin sister , and therefore chased and therefore not open to any form of relating .

And the pain that Apollo experiences by being in love with someone that doesn't love him or how it doesn't have any interest in him and doesn't even have any interest in anything in the world of relating , is so intense for him . It's like he has this longing that .

And then he realizes like wow , I thought these arrows that I had were powerful , but that is a powerful arrow , you know . This longing that he has , this intense desire , is so much more painful than anything he's ever experienced .

Kind of energy right , and so the longing is so intense it can be in this energy .

If only you had better mythology . Like you know , Zeus goes and sleeps around right . Like you actually know that he does pretty deplorable stuff actually , but we don't have that we have a God image and so that God image is put on this guru and the devastating , like it's devastating for the seeker to find the guru and then be disappointed by that guru .

And I know there's many stories , I mean we've all seen a lot of us have seen , you know , wild Wild Country and all these different , many , many , many examples , some very , very dark and some , just you know , not as dark , but of the guru playing out the shadow right or playing out a trickster energy .

And imagine that you've put all of your , you've really projected all of your God seeking-ness into that person , and then they lay you down I think it was really beautifully explored in the movie Kumare . Have you seen this one ?

I haven't seen it when the guy actually , you know , documents it and pretends to be a guru , just to see you know what will happen here and when he reveals himself just as not the guru . You see some of the people that's so broken by that that you know cause .

He was sort of like playing around with this concept , but in the end it got really real for the people you know , and some of them refuse to ever talk to him again or talk to anyone about it again .

And then you can have that wound , the divine wound that comes in like you almost can make a conclusion of like so there is no divinity , or there is no God , or there is nothing to seek for , rather than saying like no , the problem isn't that .

The problem is that I projected all of that into this one human or this one outfit or this one you know religion or this one thing , and it let me down , you know . Actually the thing . The human let me down . The divine was still there , but the human side actually let me down , and that's a distinction that we can really fail to make .

And we can be back to that middle of the bagel experience where everything feels empty and void , like right , Because we're not interacting with reality in a creative and imaginative way anymore . We sort of hand it over to that person to be the imaginative , creative guru figure and we lose that within ourselves .

But I mean , that arrow is pointing to something out there , isn't it ? I mean that's not pointing to something in here . In fact , some say that the arrow is pointing to the galactic central point . Right , that's one of the things of the Sagittarian arrow is it points right to the center of the galaxy .

Whether or not that's astronomically true I don't know , but as a mythic theme it feels true that that arrow is actually pointing to something really at the heart of the experience , and I have to be able to see that that's within me . If it's in the universe , it's also within me , but not confuse myself as God .

So you can see just how convoluted the whole thing is in Sagittarius in the end , as we get closer to essence .

Even the civilizing process which is interesting because I think Sagittarius is the civilizing process in a way right , it's like it is these higher ideals and what have you . So it is there is an element of Sagittarius that is trying to lift out of the animal experience , but then in , but then these animals are coming back and tearing everything apart .

So I don't know if you saw when you were in Athens , but one of the four big battles was the centaura Marquis , which was the battle with the Lapits versus the centaurs , where basically the centaurs came and invaded a wedding , the big wedding feast , you know , and the centaurs came and just caused all sorts of havoc Because ultimately , that's it right , like this

animal side of us doesn't want to be civilized . Actually , we feel , you know , freud said that the essential wound of all of us is that we were civilized by our parents and we resent that Our parents . Civilizing us is the essential wound because when we came out we were animal and then we had to go through a civilizing process .

It's an unavoidable thing , unless we , you know , are just kind of like born in the Amazon or were born into a tribe that hasn't lost touch with any of that , but for most of us in the world , there is a hidden resentment towards the parents and towards the family unit for civilizing us . Isn't that an interesting insight from Freud ?

So we get like almost an image that can give us almost a resolution in a mythic way to this dilemma , almost through Chiron .

But then Chiron gets wounded in that thigh right , he gets wounded by one of Hercules arrows , he gets wounded accidentally by one of his students and this heroic figure , the ultimate hero , you know the Leo archetype , ends up wounding the Sagittarius archetype right , like the hero accidentally wounds the centaur that perhaps is at the heart of the Sagittarian experience .

And there's something about that that makes me think of Centaur , of having this animal primal instinct , but also having this is just my personal belief with intuition . But there is a connection to the divine or something bigger than me , and so it's working . These two , it's coming from in your bones and also some something in you forward .

So I always find that with Centaur is very an integrated Centaur , not the really wild ones that we were talking about , that destroyed everything . But if you're able to harness both of those , you know that's the gift and the power of Sagittarius , you know that's a really powerful combination to lead from , to get that arrow from .

How do we , how do we find ways to get the most out of both of those things rather than have them pitted against each other , right , like ? So the instincts are so important and the intuition is so important that you can't . You can't just discredit one and just have one and not the other , and that's what the image of the Centaur is . So .

Glad that there is a Centaur underneath that arrow right , because if it's just the arrow , then it gets , it's just completely loses touch with the animal side . And it's obviously something that is discussed again and again in this podcast in the sense of like , how do we rewild ourselves while keeping the wisdom ?

That's what you know keeping actually not demonizing civilization as though it's civilization's fault . The world's going to shit , it's . It's easy to find that as a conclusion , looking around , that it's civilization's fault , but actually it's less about civilization's fault , it's just losing touch with the wild on the process of civilization .

You know , with the genies out of the bottle , right , we're not going to just kind of like , throw consciousness away . That's not going to be possible .

But we could come back to the sense of wild , which is why so many of those stories , many of which are discussed on this podcast , even sometimes the wild God , which I brought in with James Mattingly very early on , is an example of that of like what happens when the wild God knocks at the door and starts like just grabbing your wine and , you know , breaking

stuff and and this , this sort of energy , reenters your life and reminds you of something that you've , that you've lost or missed , you know , reminds you of that wound in the thigh . Maybe this is really good stuff , faye . Very good exploration of . Sagittarius , but of course we could speak for another 15 days oh if only .

But as it is , as it is , we're going to have to start coming down from the stars and back to our down from the mountain top .

And you know , of course , sometimes you don't know where that arrow is going , but for me that's when I can get myself out of my limited reality or whatever it might be .

So that's a big takeaway that I'm I'm going to really remember and sort of the what's beyond , what's beyond and and allow you know , saturn will have his time in Capricorn , but really allowing those visions and those dreams to just permeate , without any limitations . You know we didn't talk about that . There's no limitations which you put her inside .

So really allowing that arrow to sort of feel that spaciousness to go wherever you want it to go .

I guess it's a quote , I don't know , it's an anonymous , I haven't really been able to find it again , but it's something that I heard and in my twenties that felt like there was such great wisdom in it and I feel it's very Sagittarian wisdom and the statement is don't tell me how to live my life , show me what's possible with yours .

I think that is the ultimate Sagittarian statement and I love it for so many reasons . But I just kind of go back and forth between that .

Sometimes it's like , oh yeah , like I say it to myself , you know , like some part of myself is telling me how to live my life and it's like would show me , show me what's possible , and that's going to be much better for me than you telling me right .

Which means we do have to step out of our everyday world and step out onto the journey and go on that big , you know adventure . And then , only then , do we look back and go , wow , so much more was possible than my earlier self gave credit for the universe .

For , you know like so much more was possible on this earth , in this place , in this magical place , and it's like that's the kind of thing that I can forget , and when I forget it , my life becomes very gray and very dull and very boring .