#55 | Libra the Scales

Libra , amongst many things , is about collaboration , and today I've invited fellow astrologer , Faye Northgrave to help us draw out the symbols and myths associated with the sign of the scales .

We discuss what is generally known about the sign of Libra and then go into the mythic waters with stories centered on the blind seer , , narcissus and his love affair with his own reflection , Paris' judgment of the beauty contest between Athena , Hera and Aphrodite , and then deeper reflections on the character of Aphrodite , aka Venus , who is currently making her way

up from the underworld . As we speak , I was in the countryside of Australia for the recording and Faye was north of Toronto . Thus the episode is accompanied by a chorus of birds wanting to be heard in this most airy of airsigns . I hope you enjoy their contributions . Welcome to the show , Faye .

I think it's been a challenge to just sort of speak these words into the ether and it feels a lot more human to speak to another human about these things . And , of course , we're going to be talking Libra themes as we go , and how Libran is that ? in a way , to bring in the other to help reflect and to help to get a sense of things .

But yeah , just to introduce you a little , faye . Faye and I met . How long ago was that now ?

Is that how you would see it too ?

It just opened up a doorway and really illuminated for me what was possible in astrology and how it could actually call in in a vocation . So you were that sort of beginning stepping stone . So this is very special for me in full circle .

It's definitely a full , full Venus in the room for sure , so good .

Right , we'll just sort of start there so we can find a place to rest in the consensus in a sense , right , like to to get a sense of what we're talking about , what is this sign , what does it mean ? And to get the very basics of the sign .

And from there we'll take it into the myths and stories and the images and the more poetic , and we'll see where that takes us in the , in the dreaming process , we'll see how close to the essence of this sign we can get , and then we'll return to the consensus with , like , okay , what do we know now from that little journey that we went on that can feed

into and give , give more information to this , this archetype of Libra ? How can that deepen and strengthen our understanding of , of what this sign is effectively all about ?

So I guess , to start with , I'm going to go through some of the consensus stuff here , some of the information , and be also nice because you know we're starting this together and you do have that Libran , the Libra team on your side to to also get you know , a sense of like , the individually .

How does that feel and how does that resonate , and how does the consensus reality of this sign in your own lived experience of these planets ? You know , how does it , how does it fit , you know , because it'd be just really interesting to get that personal reflection of these , of these signs of this particular sign .

So you know the , the word or the phrase that that's linked with Libra is I balance . So we do have immediately the sense of balance and and of course the symbol of Libra is the scales , which is interesting , as is the first and the only inanimate object of the entire zodiac .

So we generally have animals or humans all the way around , except for Libra where we have the only inanimate object . So that's interesting in itself . There's sort of a sense of looking for the , for something , of the objective being an air sign , and yet there's something so subjective about Libran .

energy isn't there , because it's really the relationship with the other which is such an incredibly subjective thing , just seeking of objective , but tough or even almost impossible to get out of the Out of the subjective .

So obviously , with that balance , it's referring to equality , diplomacy , the draw towards the other , but also , as a cardinal sign , a real need to be treated , the self , you know .

So there's a , there's an interesting dichotomy within Libra of , and maybe that is the balancing of self other that is referred to within the Sign , so that deep need to be true to the self and Venus is the ruler . So really a Really core need to come back to that self , but also a deep interest in the other .

We could hear the beauty of that and it is a sign that that represents beauty in all of its forms . But then it can be this indecision , right , so that that the indecision becomes the shadow of the sign , where it's constantly weighing . Well , maybe this , maybe that , maybe this , maybe that .

And then the constant weighing is hard because , again , as a cardinal Sign , it wants to get going , it wants to make things happen , but it can be caught at the crossroads in a sense .

So because can court weighing up these different options and holding the tension maybe too long between the this or the that right , because you can feel a cardinal Element of this sign . You can feel that it wants to bring things forward and make things happen , but , yeah , the indecision being there , the shadow of this sign , and then the other part being love .

I read just in reading up about it , in love with love , which is something we can explore .

keywords . The keywords for Libra that they have here is loving , balanced , sociable and relationship oriented , and In the positive side of this they say fair-minded , gracious , cooperative , peace , loving , and On the shadow side , indecisive . They have the word gushing interesting gushing , we can explore that word . Confrontational and Over-compromising .

So interesting to have both of those , the confrontational and the other Compromising .

And I think it's when , when Libra gets pushed too far and the cardinal is got to come out some way right , and so it Ends up like pushing back , but maybe too , too hard , but then the over compromising to be the other way , where you know we can see getting stuck on those scales . So that's the content of this video , so that's the consensus for you .

What are you thinking about that ?

It can you know , like you said , it wants to go forward , but if it's stuck and within two places it's almost the sort of spinny energy , right , they can't move forward , and so then that feels trapped , bringing more into that indecisiveness .

I always feel that a part that's looked over of the leaping , you know , balance and harmony , is the connection to nature . I've always had a very deep understanding of the rhythms of nature and life , and you know that death follows life and all of that , and I think that a lot of times People don't see that as a leaping quality .

Yeah for a lot of strong , different types that I know of . It's this natural understanding of this balance . You know , you and I at the beginning we're talking about I'm in Canada , it's fall here , you're in Australia with the sort of spring clinics , and , and one has to accompany the other .

Yeah , so yeah always give it this beautiful kind of Simplicity or sort of natural understanding of the way things work , and so I find that a really important , that you know , because the number one is love and relationships . Yeah , beauty , yeah , even that .

You know the beauty I've always had trouble with because , like , okay , for sure can be a Little vain sometimes and you know , have that . But for Libra's , you know beauty can be in the dragonfly wing . That you find or a falling leaf or a dead tree . It doesn't have to be this sort of Mainstream version of beauty . It goes much deeper than that .

So , while a hundred percent Libra can be sort of riding on the surface , there is a there's still a depth to it , or an understanding that I think in a lot of pop astrology goes At the wayside of just we're in love , with love , or yeah yeah , we've got some of its relationships . So , yeah , those are some of my .

I mean , we do love , love , but I think we'll talk about it without for deity and yeah but that doesn't mean that it's happy . Go lucky . Love Right . You know love messy and painful , and I think Libras know that as well . Yeah because of that reflection of the other .

Really getting to see yourself and another in a relationship is so powerful , for better and for worse also at the same time , oh . Having to actually see yourself through another's eyes or have another Be viewed through your eyes can be a little sort of agitating sometimes , or a little maybe . Agitating is not the right word .

associated Libra with , with nature , because of course that's where we , that's what we are , and the and the relationship to the balance of all things

. Yeah , as you say , you know , I'm , I'm , and I probably should have said this at the start , but you know , faze , out there in Canada , in Toronto , and I'm in Yuki , actually in the countryside of Australia , which is about three hours to the west of Brisbane , out here with some friends . So I'm really kind of like embedded in this .

I'm staring at this amazing Eucalyptus tree right in front of me and phase looking at her window . Are you in Toronto ? Are you sort of like in a different spot ?

So we have the we have the horizon and then the Sun coming up or the Sun going down , and it is that , it's the , it's the sixth into the seventh , so it's the seventh sign , it is a horizon , all sign . In that way , it's like we're coming up in order to go into Libra's realm , we're coming up from that deep process of becoming .

It'd be really interesting when we , yeah , we can go into some of these stories because , yeah , some of these goddesses that are associated with both , both Virgo and Libra , and sort of you know , set into the complexity of why it is that we don't see it as nature so much .

It's always changing , there's always dynamic , and so I feel like I have my own relationship with nature , and I think that's a part of the Libran qualities is we can have relationships With the chipmunk in the barn or you know my favorite tree , or things like that , and it doesn't always even though it's this cardinal air sign that loves to chat that relational

field can actually not necessarily always be just Through words . There can be a different form of relating or they can go that much so interesting yeah , in my craniocacral studies many of my teachers were Libra , libra sons actually .

You know , the balancing of of the energetic in an energetic of the body , and and , and most of these Libran teachers were also into the Daoist world and the Qigong and everything right , because again we're talking about like I think this is , yeah , actually getting us into the . We're sort of already leaving consensus reality and going into the Right .

What are we talking about when we talk about balance ? I think it's a very that's a big conversation there , right ? What do we mean ? Well , why don't we bring in a bit of the mythic here just to go in there and and see if we can elaborate through these stories , sort

of ? The first story that comes to mind is actually the seer and I know you're a big fan of seers in mythology and in in reality . The great seer Tereces like so we have this sort of sense of judgment and making a judgment that comes up in Libra and consciousness .

Like you know , you have to make an assessment and have to make a judgment in this sign , and Tereces was one of these unfortunate souls that got caught up in the tension between Hera and Zeus , who are kind of like the queen and the king of the gods . You know they're . They're Um , zeus is the god of the gods and and Hera is his wife .

Who's this great mother ? We could call them a combination of like earth mother and and sky father energies , sort of the third generation of that configuration in greek mythology . And so they were having an argument one day about who enjoys sex more , men or women , and Zeus was saying definitely women and Hera was saying definitely men .

And so they were locked into this battle with each other and they were like well , who could we possibly ask ? Because you know it's completely , they don't know . You know that Hera's a woman and Zeus is a man . So it's like who could we ask who might know about these things ?

And they think of Terecius , because the story of Terecius is one day he was wandering along and he saw these two snakes entangled with each other , and just in the seeing of these two snakes , suddenly he switched from being a man into a woman .

Just from seeing these two snakes there's something kind of magical about them , and just being witness to them changed him from a man into a woman .

So then he existed as a woman for seven years until he came across the same two snakes entangled in each other , and again he turned back into a man , which is kind of an interesting Libran thing in itself , even those two snakes entangled in each other . Yeah , what were you just drawing for the audience there ?

So he just answered honestly , from his own subjective opinion , you know , like what it was like to be a woman and what it was like to be a man . And he said it's better for a woman . And he said if there's 10 pieces of a pie , so if there's 10 pieces of a pie , nine go to the woman and one to the man . That was his answer , Very specific .

So nine pieces go to the woman and one to the man . That's his declaration . Now that means Hera loses the argument , right ? Not cool , not going to go , okay , not good .

No Like blind justice you know , you see the sort of blindfolded , even the yeah , this image of the one holding the scales . Themis was one of the goddesses who has his blindfolded , holding scales and also holding a sword .

So you get this sense of blind justice and these kinds of things coming up here , like you know , to to ultimately it's the Libran attempt to find again objectivity and fairness and justice .

And in order to find that , we have to be blind in the sense that we have to not take into account our own preferences , but take into account , you know , the whole and the , and be as blind as we can in order to really sense , like to not look at these , these places that we would prejudge which is what prejudice means in order to find that justice .

So interesting , right . But , for Terecius . He's now a blind seer .

You know , the God of gods and his wife telling me I have to choose between both of them , libra's literal worst nightmare . And so it's almost like Zeus came to rectify that unfairness or that imbalance of you know , him giving his gift or his insight of this knowledge . And so Zeus having to balance what had been taken away from him .

He couldn't undo the actual eyesight being gone , but in a new form of balance , bringing in a different type of scene .

I mean , it's really interesting because from this story in Ovid's Metamorphosis it leads into the story of Narcissus , because the very first thing that Terecese does is that he prophesies for Narcissus' mother who brings the baby Narcissus .

I think her question is will my son live a long life , and Terecese answers he'll live a long life so long as he never knows himself . And that sets up the whole dilemma of Narcissus , you know which , in a way , you know .

I wasn't really intending to go into the Narcissus story , but it is a good Libran story because then the mother protects Narcissus from all reflections because she doesn't want him to know himself so he can live a good long life . So from the prophecy she responds by protecting him from reflection , which means that he's protected from the Libran .

But he's a beautiful youth , right Like . He's very sought after and he rejects all suitors . So he's effectively an example of rejecting Libra , right .

Like if he's rejecting all if he's rejecting all reflection , then he's rejecting the Libra consciousness , so he never , enters and never engages with anybody , and so he leaves behind a slew of scorned potential lovers that he never connects with .

So then you know , one of those scorned wishes down the goddess Nemesis to curse Narcissus to fall in love with someone he can't have , which is when he looks in the reflection in the water again another perhaps Libran scene , where we get the mirroring . But now he's got the mirroring of himself , and so he completely falls for the image . But doesn't get like .

He doesn't have insight , does he ? You know , he's got , he's stuck in the surface world .

So when he does see his own reflection , he's just so like he doesn't know what it is that he's looking at .

And then I look away and then see him look away and then feel sad about that , or fall on and look back and see sadness and then and then in that sadness , he feels some rage , and he sees rage and then the tears come and splash onto the water and he disappears . And so now he's feeling this rage , but now he's been abandoned by his love .

You know , it actually really elaborates on exactly what happens between between us and his reflection .

And you know it's interesting , as I said , you know Brian Clark was talking about this how , up until the second century BC , libra wasn't known as a , as a constellation , but but there was still the scales , which were the claws of the scorpion .

So the claws of the scorpion are the scales , and I've been really sitting with that since hearing that of , yeah , almost like can't we just stay here in this , in this , like we don't want to be sucked into the scorpion stuff , right , we don't want to be sucked into the deeper dynamics and the and the other things that may be happening underneath the surface .

We'd rather stay here at the claws , but the claws are also gripping , you know . So I think there's there's a lot in that imagery that speaks to like maybe deeper components of Libra dynamics , right ?

You know , maybe , maybe , this is perfect , you know maybe this is a comfy couch or something , yeah , and then it's actually leading into that bringing you back down of yeah , very cool .

So it's just like one that was , that was referenced and understood in the Iliad , but it wasn't . He didn't like the poet , whoever the poet was , that Homer didn't elaborate on this .

But I really love this story because it sort of sums up a lot of the , a lot of the dynamics that we're talking about here , and it starts with a wedding , of course , which is a very Libran place to begin . So it's this big wedding feast and all of the guards and goddesses are are invited to this feast because they want it to be the best time .

You know , big banquet , big lavish , olympian kind of a thing . It's actually Chiron and his wife , chiriclo who are , who are presiding over the wedding . Like it's a it's . It's a really big , beautiful event . But there's one goddess that they're like maybe we just don't invite her . I'm not sure it's such a good idea .

You know , she tends to cause a bit of trouble . And that goddess that they decide not to invite is Eris , whose name means discord or strife .

So here's the thing right , you've got this beautiful wedding , this very Libran scene , and ultimately you're like well , there's things we don't want to invite here , there's elements we don't want to see , there's stuff we don't want to know about . It's the Scorpion's clause . Scorpion's clause , right ?

Like we don't want to know about strife and discord , we want harmony and balance and beauty . So let's just invite everybody . That's harmonious , balanced and beautiful .

And then , as far as Eris , who's the sister of Eris , so she's like the sister of the God of war , you know , like we just what , if we just you know don't , we just don't invite her and be fine . So Eris , then if we kind of can see where it's all going . So Eris is like , okay , well , screw you guys for not inviting me .

So what she does , which is quite genius , is she grabs a golden apple and inscribes on it for the fairest , and walks past the banquet and just rolls it down the banquet table and then it rolls all the way down and lands right in front of Aphrodite , athena and Hera . So he rolls , this golden apple lands right there .

And then they just start to fight with each other about who's the fairest . And then Zeus is like oh my God , what is happening here ? I'm not I'm not getting involved in this , right , I'm not going to be the judge of this . So they're like , well , who can we get to judge ? And so they decide of all people , Paris should be the judge .

And Paris is this , this goat herder . Basically , there's been a prophecy on Paris that he's going to start an enormous war , and so they're like , well , we can't have that . So , even with him , they're like we'll put him out with these goats and he won't cause any trouble out here , you know .

But then when they're thinking like who should judge this situation , they're like well , paris , I mean , he's , he's quite a beautiful youth and you know , he's just been around the goat so that he might be someone that is kind of like a bit removed from all of this . So it would be a good judge of who would be the most beautiful , right ?

So they get to Paris and Paris , you know , innocently enough as this , as this goat herder is like oh great , yeah , no , I'll do that , it's all good . And it's like are there any rules ? Can I see them naked ? And you know what's the deal here . This is these are his questions .

He hasn't really thought this through very much and it's like yeah if you want , you know , whatever you want , this is your . Zeus is like it's you're the judge now it's all , it's all on you . So , basically , zeus has gone like I want nothing to do with this , I'm not going to make a judgment of this , there's no way .

Like Hera is his wife , Athena is his daughter , aphrodite is his other daughter . There's no , you know , he's not going to get involved in this . So they have a beauty contest and you know it's supposed to be a completely fair and just and and even beauty contest where the most beautiful wins and Paris is the judge . But of course it's not that .

Instead , each of the goddesses separately goes up to Paris and offers , offers him something for the win . So Athena goes and says like I will give you any battle that you want to win , any , any justice that you need served . Like that , that will be my .

You know , like anywhere in the world , you'll have me on your side and anything that you come in contact with , I'll be right there to help you . You know , so that's a pretty good deal , pretty good deal . Then Hera comes next and she's like any land that you want in this whole kingdom , you know can be yours anywhere .

Just you just name it and we'll make it yours and we can give you a whole sort of . You could build an empire with that . I mean , you know , to have that much land , you'd be very wealthy and , you know , very well off and you'd be , you'd be great . It's like okay , yeah , that sounds good .

And then Aphrodite is last and she's like any woman in the world , any woman in the world . So you can imagine what he chose out of these Faye , what do you think ?

So it leads to Paris basically abducting Helen , which leads to the Trojan war . So now , if we go back to the beginning of the story by not inviting discord into the party , it started the Trojan war right .

So Athena is the goddess of justice , you know , and Hera actually presides over marriage and committed relationship and , of course , aphrodite is love and the judgment , itself being a very Libran sort of meta thing that is happening .

And so , knowing that there wasn't going to be anything fair , all the goddesses just went straight to the next level , which was to try to bribe or try to ultimately move the scales in their direction right , sort of put weight down on one side of the scales with whatever they had to offer .

Another sort of interesting commentary perhaps on the legal system itself . You know , whoever has the most wealth or has the most resources is most likely going to win , you know . So there's a sense of like what we aim for societally is this Libran justice .

What we often find is very short of that , and since ancient Greece , at least in the Western world , they've been attempting to find ways to have fair and just democracy and society right , and very rarely does it actually come to be in the world . So there's that more social component of Libra kind of mentioned in the story as well .

But yeah , what shows up for you in this story ?

It's for most , you know , overused Libra and phrase completes you , which I have issues with . But that has the potential for all of these , not percussions necessarily , but it's also this sort of like look into when you are just coming from such a surface level like , oh , the most beautiful woman in the world , sure , I'll take that .

Yeah , you're not thinking past . Oh , that she's married . Oh that maybe she's married . Yeah , all these different things because it can be so alluring . You know so easy Alluring I like that word , yeah .

I find it really interesting that sort of again as a Libra , that's right heavily influenced Libra that sometimes you can just look at things to surface level without going beyond without actually thinking about the next steps are going deep , like what Scorpio gives us after Libra , and so this perfect example of you know , even going back to narcissists .

If you're only seeing this immediate reality in front of you like his own reflection , you're missing the depth of the scope of everything that's actually coming with it .

It's kind of like I mean , it's the setup of the story , right , but it's funny in itself that like , well , yeah , I mean those are amazing offers from those other goddesses , but of course he's going to choose Helen . He's going to choose Helen , you know , 10 times out of 10 . So did he make the right choice ? No , I mean it , but there was .

There was also . It's a bit like Taurissius , right , he was stuck in a battle of the gods or the goddesses in this case and you screwed like it's a . He was in an awful position and and that's his reality and he had to make a judgment , and so that was like , yeah , the sticking point .

But maybe we can take it from this into Aphrodite and to who is Venus ? So just to be clear on that , that Venus is the Roman name and Aphrodite is the Greek name . You know such a , such a fascinating figure in Greek mythology and one to really take us a little deeper into the , the Libran .

So we've already talked a little bit about Venus in the Tauriss podcast , but I must admit I felt like I didn't talk enough about Venus , aphrodite , in that podcast . But so so she rules Tauriss as the first sign of zodiac that she rules it , and the second sign , the other sign that she rules , is Libra .

So that's the point of Venus or Aphrodite being the ruler . So the rulers is always like the deity that rules over that sign .

So Aphrodite , you know , I mean there's so many great stories that around Aphrodite , her birth is is like out of the ocean , out of the frothing of the ocean , from from Uranus's genitals that have been severed and thrown into the ocean , and the froth is actually where a name comes from Aphrodite the froth . The froth in the middle of Aphrodite is froth .

And so , on the one hand , she's born out of the , this oceanic , she's born on clam shells , out of the froth . It's very kind of , it's the sort of image that you know .

Interestingly , back to beauty , when these I think it was Ficino in the in the Renaissance period , found , like they started to translate the ancient Greek texts and this was the image that came forth , that gave birth to , like Botticelli's birth of Venus .

And then , and really the whole Renaissance kicked off this , these incredible artists kicked off with their remarkable artwork in that period from the translations of this Greek mythological time , and one of the main ones was that the birth of Venus . But there was another Venus as well .

Venus was also the daughter of Zeus , and so there was , there was these two Venuses , right , one is , one is what we consider Venus Urania , which is the Venus of the heavens , is the one born out of Uranus's genitals and it , like she , comes into being through that portal of magic really .

And the other one is Aphrodite , or Venus Pandamos , aphrodite of the people , and she's the more earthly Venus that is a bit more relatable , and so that's considered to be like the daughter of Zeus version and the born out of the ocean version . But she certainly had some interesting stories , you know , like .

Like one that I always find sums her up is with this mortal named Anchizes . And she comes up , dresses a maiden , so she's completely disguised herself and pretending not to be the goddess . And she comes up to her Anchizes and goes , hey , what's going on here ?

You know , a little flirtation , and Anchize is like you seem a little too beautiful actually , are you a goddess ? Cause I'm not messing with goddesses . I've seen other people mess with goddesses . That completely destroys their entire existence . So he's like I think I'm out , I don't want anything to do with you . And she's like what goddess ?

What are you talking about ? You're tripping , you have no idea . Like , come on , I'm clearly just a maiden wandering around in this field . Like I don't know what you're talking about . And he's like well , as long as you promise me that you're not a , you're not a goddess , then yeah , sure , you know , we can do something here .

And she's like of course , promise . And so then after the fact , right , they have this amazing three day lovemaking session because it's Aphrodite . So you know , she , he suddenly got himself entangled with the goddess of sexual desire and sensuality and love and everything . And he comes out of this . He's like oh my God , you are a goddess . God damn it .

I just love her , she's just so caring it's so good and chisies .

We don't really pick up the archetypal , like mythic component of her is really taking what she want when , what she wants , when she wants , and being kind of ruthless in that way , as you can see in this story , she's ruthless , she wants this and so she just goes and gets it .

So there's these components of her that feel much more about desire and , and you know , and remaining in some ways free and yet very much entangled as well . She gets entangled because that's her thing . She wants to entangle .

Her son is Eros , so she wants to pull people together , but she also wants to remain free , and that , I feel , is very much the leverant component that's lesser talked about , right Cause it's an air sign , so it's somehow it does want to remain free in that all of that air , and yet wants to be entangled in relationships .

She , you know , brings us back to the beginning of that when use the word confrontational .

Yeah , yeah , it does , isn't it ?

So the furies come in and and and it's a sense of natural law , natural justice , this form of justice where it's an eye for an eye , a tooth for a tooth sort of thing , and there's a sense of , like some wanting that form of justice , but Athena trying to come in and bring forward , like courts and law and systems of justice , right .

So maybe a more civilized approach .

And in this story the furies actually become these sort of kindly old ladies . They transform from furies , from being furious , to being these more crone , old lady figures who can pass out judgment in a more gentle and civilized way . That doesn't necessarily mean murder or , you know , blood debts , this kind of thing .

So there's an interesting part where , where Libra refers to that in a way in the , in the civilizing process .

Let's use this cardinal air energy to connect , to bring together , to envision , to do all these things .

So , yeah , that danger of being removed and then becoming out of balance or just harmonious with your surroundings , which I would say is partially how we've ended up in our crazy world today , you know , and that's what we've- there's a real deep irony that you're talking about here , that in the attempt to harmonize we lose harmony .

You know it's sort of like back to the era story .

Maybe we're getting closer to that essence level here of like what is going on at the heart of Libra's inquiry , like what's the deep Libra inquiry , and maybe we're getting closer to that here , you know .

There's this genuine desire to see the world as it could be you know , see what is possible , see the beauty of the world and the harmonious nature and when things work in balance , so there can be in that idealistic version which again can be put on to beauty , you know , in that sort of sense , so this sort of idealization , but actually having to bring it

back to reality , you know , grounding that air energy back down into the earth .

And so then , if we were going to come back up now and and feed into the consensus reality , I think what I like about doing this process is you can sense that everything that we said at the beginning about Libra is still true , right , like it's still , it's not like we , we say also , therefore , that's not , that's not Libra anymore , but we also get the

sense of , like these deeper threads and deeper layers of the sign itself and what it's referring to . And I think , historically , you know the in the in the course of history and Western civilization of , well , it is civilization , right , becoming civilized .

Libra has a part to play in that , through justice and law systems and all of this kind of thing , which is like such a cornerstone of what we , what we imagine reality to be and and such a beautiful thing to come out of that .

Endless theories , right , the theories haunting everybody and and blood for blood , for blood , and how that can go on for generations and cause so much havoc . So it lifts out of that component . But in the lifting out of the negative , it also lifts out of some of the positive of this connection .

Maybe you know the tension between Aphrodite and Artemis , in the sense that Artemis is that natural . Yeah , like , by interfering with natural law , we confuse , we get confused right like we don't .

We lose faith and we lose trust that natural law will find its own way and instead the human mind now needs to control and manage everything in order to maintain harmony and beauty , apparently , so that becomes like the real deep , deeper paradox within this sign .

I think , on the collective and I think in the individual level , a lot of that stuff that we talked about at the start is just very true but then elaborated on through the myths of Taurissius and Narcissus and the judgment of Paris . It just sort of like gives us a little bit more depth and texture to understand those things through .

There's so many more complexities to it , as if anybody has been in love they know .

But the you know the self other paradox that goes on there , and the fights and the wars that that go along with love , and even in this story , right , it's about beauty but ends up in war , and so there's yeah , there's a lot in that , in the , in the Aries Libra axis , which obviously over the next 18 months you know someone's more into the astrology , you'll

know that the that's where the nodes are right now the north node in Aries , the south node in Libra .

So we will see how these themes unfold over the next little while as well in the eclipse season that's coming up , and so I guess we get to be , we get to have front row seats just to see exactly how this does play out , because that's all in the mystery we get to sort of like see those themes in action over the next little while .

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