I've literally attained and accomplished any everything that a musician could dream to attain, and so I had to look myself in the mirror and say why. And I've purposefully slowed down so that I can focus on my mental and physical health, so that I can focus on being there for my child and my wife, and that I can love and enjoy this life and this house that I've spent the last seventeen years of my life building, and it is terrified Jane. Everyone, welcome back to On Purpose,
the number one health podcasts in the world. Thanks to each and every single one of you that come back every week to listen, learn and grow. Now, this has been a year where we've been so fortunate to sit down with some incredible artists to share their stories, and they've opened up vulnerably, and you've responded as a community by sharing those episodes, loving those conversations. And today's guest is someone that I've wanted to speak to you for
a long time. I've been fan of his music, been a fan of his flobe, been a fan of his lyrics, and today we're talking about his brand new book, which I'll introduce you to in a moment. But I'm talking about none other than Bobby Hall aka Logic, a Grammy nominated, platinum selling recording artist, author, actors, streamer, and film producer.
In addition to his three number one albums, ten platinum singles, and billions of streams, holds debut book Supermarket made him the first hip hop artist to have a number one New York Times best selling novel, and today his new book that we're talking about is called This Bright Future by Bobby Hall. Bobby, thank you so much for making the time. Dude. That was the coolest intro every It feels so cool now, thank you. That's very kind. It was.
I mean, it's a great intro because it's all true, and so I feel like if the intro was called and the life must be really cool because you had to live it to make it real for sure. But we were just we were talking about this before. The only time we've ever met is when we bumped into each other at an airport, which I because I saw you, I already knew who you were, and so when you came up to me, I was like, this is so cool, man, Logic stopping me at an airport. But you can finish
the rest of the story. Yeah, dude, I thought it was really awesome. And uh, and my security guard as also, he's just a huge fan of yours. His name is Pepe. He's literally freaking out right now, say what's up? Yeah, hey Pepe, what's up? Yeah? Oh man, he's so he loves you. Man who doesn't. And so yeah, I just I just saw it as a really cool opportunity to say hello and then use him as a scapegoat to also say hello. Really it was really cool. No, that's awesome, man,
And lots of love to Pepe. But also I was a huge fan, and so it was nice to always just maybe it's always nice to just bump into someone in a very you know, natural way. This was obviously pre pandemic well, when we were all flying and moving around. But I wanted to start off just by asking you, like, what's this time been for you? Has this been a time of deep creativity and exploration? Has it been relaxing? I know you just became a father as well last year,
Like what's this time being like for you personally? And it's kind of been a culmination of all those things for sure. So I had planned to take off twenty twenty anyway, just to be there for my baby because that's when he was born in February, and my wife and just really for the first time in my life kind of slow down, which I'd never done in my
entire career. So I got a little lucky in that sense where I didn't have some big tour planned and have to cancel it and financially be dealing with, you know, situations that I'm glad I didn't run into, so that was nice. But also at the same time, it's like, yeah, I'm constantly working. I was literally like they were like, okay, you got four minutes. I'm upstairs like polishing the script that I'm gonna shoot next year, which I'm really excited
to work on, and so I'm constantly working. My biggest thing is balanced, I think, you know, searching for balance and trying to find balance is well, it's impossible, right because it's it's just is what it is. But I think the search is very important and that's where I've been and I kind of need to relax more, but
my mind is always going crazy. But yeah, it's been full of creativity working on music books, you know, just but my big thing is with my family, I just love spending time with my family because obviously I didn't really have one grown up. So yeah, that's that's been my pandemic. Yeah, I definitely want to talk about that. And you know, if anyone who's listening right now, we are going to dive into Bobby's new book, This Bright Future.
But I just recently found out that you can solve a Rubik's Cube while freestyling, and I was just like, that is the craziest multitasking opportunity I've ever heard of, Like, I've never thought of two things that are two different so different. Tell us about how you even discovered that you could do that. Well, I remember it was twenty fourteen, and it was Thanksgiving and I was twenty four and I was in my room and I was looking at this Rubi's cube, and I feel like everybody has had
a Rubik's Cube at some point. It's just kind of like a fun thing you have either when you're a kid it or older and you throw it on a shelf. And so I really wanted to learn how to do it. So I took to YouTube and looked up at tutorial on all the algorithms it's I swear to God, this is random that I have one here right now, like I promise you, and I'll probably really butcher it while I'm telling the story. But yeah, basically what I wanted to do was is I wanted to learn how to
do it. And I'm a freak like anything that I want to get into, no matter what it is, whether it's acting, whether it's music, I mean just even video games. Like I love mastering things or at least trying to doing my best too. And so I sat down and
I literally just studied this algorithm. And I mean at this point, it's like I was working on things until like these algorithms until my freaking fingers felt like they were going to fall off, which was insane, and like ten hours later or however long it was, I did it. And then I learned how to do it without actually having to look at the algorithms or how they were done. So then it had become muscle memory, which was really awesome, but it was a very it was intense and pretty crazy.
And then I got into like speedcubing and different things like that, which is also very nerdy but also very fun and yeah, man, So it was basically Thanksgiving and before I knew it, I had learned to solve it, and then I just kind of did it constantly, and one day I was like, all right, I'm gonna take my nerds Sci Fi raps on the radio with Big Boys Neighborhood, and I'm also going to do a Rubis
Cube Wally freestyle. And it could have ended badly because I could have been so nervous, which I was, that it didn't work out. But it did and that was really cool. I swear that's just right here. Next dude, just hold that up again, because that was incredible. That
was amazing. Thanks man, that was phenomenal. I mean, like, for anyone who's listening and not watching the podcast, he just solved Bobby Hole logic, just solved a Rubik's Cube while explaining how he freestyles and Rubik's cubes at the same time. So for anyone who didn't get to see that, please go over to YouTube or Instagram and what's that pot is? That was pretty epic. But I love that, you know, I love the idea of mastery. That's something
that's always been fascinating to me as well. And I can geek out about mastery, but when I look at your childhood, which I got to explore through this book. You describe yourself as an orphan with parents, and I think right now in society, we're at this time where a lot of people have started reflecting more on their childhood and how it formed their habits, their behaviors, their ideologies.
What are some of the before we dive into your childhood specifically, or let's actually let's dive into that with parents, and then what I really want to hear about is what were the ideologies that were created from that that you found healthy and then ones that you found that were unhealthy. I want to hear about both. So, so tell us about growing up as an orphan with parents. Yeah, my dad's black, my mom's white, but I'm the only
one who looks white. But it's like, it's my culture, it's my people, So I fit in there was it was never an issue. It's never anything. It just was what it was. It wasn't really more so until I got into entertainment and hip hop that people wanted to kind of put you into this box. My father was addicted to crack cocaine. My mother had also done various drugs. She fell into prostitution when she was young, alcoholic. It
just really wasn't a good a good thing. She was very mentally unstable, bipolar, i'd like to think borderline schizophrenic, which was really crazy too. And yeah, I mean I was surrounded by drugs and violence and guns and shooting guns and cooking crack and my brother's selling crack to my dad and them running around in the street and it was just a really not like a good place
to be. But the craziest thing is as I am the only child between my mother and father, so I was like an only child, although I have eight brothers and sisters, which is really crazy on both sides. But we were never together. It was never like a family situation. And yeah, I mean, growing up, I think i'd like to, you know, people say, oh, well, how did you how did you make it out of that? How are you who you are today? And I always say it's like
God and common sense. And I will further go on to say, like, I'm not really a super religious guy, but I also don't. I don't hate on religion. I don't hate on people's faith. I think it's very important. I think it's beautiful. I don't see it as like sky Dad like some white guy with a beard sitting on a cloud. I don't really, I don't know. I don't know if it's a it's a guy, it's a girl, it's this, it's a that. But I do believe in something.
I believe in a higher power, and I think that mixed with common sense, was like, oh, maybe don't smoke crack. Oh you know, seeing my mother being beaten and bloody by men, Oh, don't put your hands on a woman. It was just a weird thing where another any other child, or most other children would see these things and go, oh, this is this is life, this is what it is. You yell at a woman, you hit a woman, you do this, you do that. I was like, no, don't
do that. And I don't know how or why, but I'm here and I'm definitely not smoking cracker beating my wife. So I think I'm doing all right. I think that makes a lot of sense. That resonates with me deeply. I always feel like, you know, if someone grows up with alcoholic parents, if you had twins, one of them could become an alcoholic and one of them could never drink alcohol. Right, It's like you get to make that choice when you have an experience, you made certain choices.
Was there any lessons that you learned early from either of them? Do you think there was something that kind of gave you this desire for mastery, gave you this desire for figuring things out, for living life in a specific way, or actually was a lot of it just survival and having to find your own way at seventeen years old when you, you know, finally left. It's funny that you ask that, because I when it comes to mastery, yes, like I absolutely do love making something everything like just
utterly allowing it to just engulf me. And I think maybe a lot of that is because my parents didn't necessarily do that. You know, my mother, she had a lot of hobbies and things that she was into. She was into writing, she loved music, she loved dance. She did love a lot of things, but she never really focused on one thing, with the exception of I guess, like reading the Bible. But she was also very hypocritical
when it came to religion. And I'd also just like to say it's very important that I say this when you hear me talking about my family, I want you to know that in no way is it with malice or hatred or anger. You know, I've forgiven these people for what they've done, and I look at them, especially now I look at my son, and I'm like, I couldn't. I don't know how, you know, somebody could do this to a baby or a child, the things that I
went through. You know, my mom called me and the rest of her kids the end word with a hard R. And I remember people saying like, oh, that doesn't really make any sense, Like that can't be true. That doesn't make any sense. And it's like, one, first of all, don't dismiss my truth. And second of course, it doesn't make any sense. And I've spent my entire life trying to make it make sense and then realizing, oh, it
just doesn't. This is a mentally ill, broken person. This person is lashing out not only at her children, but at people around. I mean, think about it. It's it's kind of weird that my mother is systemically racism at racist, and yet all of her children are with black men because she finds black people so beautiful, which really just stems from her bringing a young black man home when she was a teenager and saying, this is my boyfriend, and then her parents being like, we don't mix with
their kind. It's all really insane and there's levels of that. But back to mastery. Sorry, you'll find I go on tangent. I think the fact that she never necessarily focused on one particular thing made me want to focus on one particular thing. And when you're a kid, you try different things. She played basketball, baseball, you draw you dancy this year that, but there was always something about music, and I wanted
to really make it my life. So I think, yeah, those examples that she kind of set or necessarily didn't set made me want to do that. Yeah, how do you get to that point? Bobby? When I'm hearing you talk about your family, and I loved what you said that, Hey, I'm not you know, I'm not putting their dirty laundry out there. I'm not trying to put them down. I'm not being critical. I'm just sharing because I want to
be vulnerable and share my truth and the experience. I think it would be very natural for people to have resentment, for people to have bitterness. You said, I've got to a place where I've forgiven them. Now I want to hear how did you get to that? What I loved something that you did there. Which was so beautiful was you were able to disconnect her behavior from it being personal to you. You were like, this is just how she was with everyone, because this was a condition she
was struggling with. This wasn't about me, Bobby the kid being a loser, being useless, being bad. How were you able to get to that process of forgiving some of these experiences that you had? I mean, definitely just maturity growth. And I think my own personal journey as a as a young man and realizing what dysfunction is and was so it's like I was able to realize this is a sick person once again. God common sense, I don't know, but I just knew, oh, this isn't right. You know.
It's like, you know, I only had a few places of I guess neutrality, we could call it where I would go to like the skate park, and I would just see your normal average person, right, and that has nothing to do with wealth or money or this or that, but just your normal kind of regular, run of the mill kid and his parents, and I'd go, oh, like
like I would. I was realizing, like you know, like my mother never really came to the skate park to watch me skateboard, and then this kid, you know as as his parents, coming of all races and colors and people and they're just there and I just saw this and I was like, oh, this isn't right. But I also understand now. Don't get me wrong. There was times when I was angry, of course, like I'm angry, like I had to learn how to ride my bike by myself.
I remember one of my earliest memories is choking on a sandwich and my mom then scolding me that I had thrown it up because I couldn't breathe, and she made me clean it up, and I'm like five years old, like no, I like you clean that up and then console me and hug me and tell me everything's gonna be okay, you know, Like I didn't have that. But I think while I was going through it, even though there was that anger, there was this these moments of
like understanding, oh, there is something wrong here. And for a long time I was angry at her in her mental state and her this and her that. But then as I started to experience anxiety and you know, just normal things that you do as you grow an age and mature, I realized, oh wow, like this isn't really her fault, so it's but I'm also not here to excuse her actions by any mean. I mean my mother she almost she almost killed me when I was about
seven or eight years old. She almost strangled me to death and then stopped in the middle of what she was doing and realized what she was doing. And I remember very vividly looking at her and seeing like, oh so much anger. And I didn't really do anything. I was just bouncing off the walls like a kid having fun, you know. I wasn't no matter what a child shouldn't be met with almost being you know, essentially strangled an
inch from their life. And I remember crying and having tears in my eyes, and it was almost like I was looking at her, you know, through like underwater glasses. And then she stopped after realizing what she was doing, and I just told her, I said it's okay, mommy, like I love you, like it's okay. And I look back at that now and realize that. But I'm more sad for her than me, because I made it out. I made it out, so I don't know how I did.
But this woman still has to live with herself, and I wish I could have a relationship with her so bad. And I'm kind of on and off with my dad. Like one of my dad's last requests was eight hundred thousand dollars so he could buy himself a studio for him in his band, some house. Like it's just like it's ludicrous. It's like, hey, Dad, can I maybe like, can we just talk about life for a second. Every time I talk to my father, it's always music this
and music that. But I also realized that very much so like my mother, with my dad, that's all he knows. So he talks to music about music to everybody, not just me. But I just think it's funny that I started to get a lot more phone calls once the name logic started getting bigger. I thought that was weird. But when it comes to forgiveness and having this site, I don't know, man, I don't know. And writing this book was very cathartic and very beautiful, and it allowed
me to forgive even more. But I know, I'm sorry, cop out. I just don't know. That's that's not a cop out. I appreciate the honesty and I love what you said there because when you look at forgiveness. It doesn't excuse the other person of their behavior, it just exits you from the baggage of carrying it. And so, you know, I think that distinction is really important that you made there that Hey, you know, I was put in pain, I was almost killed. This is as bad
as it when. But I don't want to carry all of that with me. And I think the zooming out and the broader perspective of hey, this is just how they're interacting with everyone, it's not just me. I think those are really practical steps actually that whether you took them knowingly or unknowingly, consciously or unconsciously, they're really powerful things for everyone to take away. I wonder now as a father, you know, you've you've got your adorable son. We see a picture of him in the back of
the book, a little bay. Yeah. I wonder now when you're as a father, which is such an amazing step. And you said it was February last year, so he's like, well eighteen months old now, yeah, yeah, nineteen months old. Tell us about how you're approaching parenting. I want to hear about as a father, how you're thinking about it. What are some of the values or principles that you're hoping to teach him more or you're hoping that he'll learn.
My biggest thing is communication. I think it's so very important to be able to communicate with your children and also not getting amnesia. My godmother Mary Joe, who took me in for a nice time in my life when
I was a teenager. He told me that, like, you can't get amnesia, like you can't forget that like kids do stupid things, or kids, you know, like even just I don't know, if you're in seventh grade and your heart gets ripped out by some boy or some girl that you were dating for like eight days and it feels like the end of the world and they broke up with you just before the school dance and your life is over. And it's like, as an adult, it's so easy to brush that off and be like, oh,
shut you're fine, you'll be fine. Shut up. But it's like, even though that's true, and even though you should say that, maybe not as callous, you know, but it's like, don't forget, man, don't forget that you were there and that seventh grade is your child's entire world. So it's kind of having those things in my mind, while moving forward are very important, spending time with him is very important, and yeah, but
I think communication really is the biggest thing. You know, a lot of people will just get mad when like he's in a slight hitting phase right now where he'll kind of like if he's frustrated, he'll throw something. But it's and somebody could be like, no, you know, you don't throw things. You don't. But it's like he's so frustrated because he has he lacks the ability to be able to communicate with us. So it's like, Okay, stop, pause, let him know, no, we don't do that, Like you
don't throw things. No, you can say it sternly, but not choking them to death, like I think. I think that's what's really important. And once again, just seeing this little, beautiful, perfect slate of a human being is I just don't know how people can do some of the things that they do to children or that have been done to me. It's kind of very sickening. But I believe that it's up to me to break that cycle and be one of the first people in my family to do so,
not the only one. There's some great people in my family who have made it out. But yeah, so when I look at him, I think about that love, compassion, communication and not gaining amnesia. Yeah yeah, I like that point about not gaining amnesia and the idea of I feel like one of the biggest mistakes we will make his humans is that we communicating people with people from where we are, not where they are, and so we
forget that we were where they are right now. And if we just talk to them recognizing that that was us ten years ago, twenty thirty, fifty, whatever it is, that that would make all the difference. And now you have a vocabulary for it. We do. We understand mental illness better, we understand mental health. We understand these terms
a bit better. We're getting there. When was it when you first started realizing that this was mental illness, this was mental health, this was their conditioning and challenges that were on a deeper level as a just more than just their addiction. I think, just simply, like I said, by being able to make the connection or lack thereof, between a friend of mins parents and my parents, like seeing your kind of normal person who can go and hold a job. I think my mom only ever had
like two jobs. I think she worked at a supermarket for a little bit, and she worked at Chick fil A and she could not stand people telling her what to do. And I realized that, and yet then she would tell me what to do, and yet I had to just suck it up and take it. And then even with myself, like I said, me going through anxiety was like a big eye opener. And I remember my
first panic attack. I was like thirteen years old, and it was really scary, and my mom had gone away, well, I mean, she just went to the store for like an hour. But I had this panic attack, and I started to realize I was I was dealing with like separation anxiety from my mother, and that a lot of our relationship was more based on brainwashing, which sounds crazy, but the having this feeling that I needed her and that if she wasn't there, like my entire world would crumble.
And I didn't know how to deal with anxiety. And honestly, I only really learned how to deal with anxiety much later in life, like in my late twenties. I'm thirty one now, and even right now, Jay, like, I'm I'm pretty anxious right now. I don't know why. It's really weird I felt fine before I got on in front of the camera, and even right now, like, I have this feeling of anxiety. And maybe it's a number of things.
Maybe it's I'm recounting my childhood. I just I have a book that's come out, you know, so many things that are going on in my mind. I'm fine, I know, I'm fine. I'm drinking water, I'm talking to an amazing human being. I'm everything is okay. And yet internally there is still is a part of me that feels a little jittery and a little nervous and a little this and a little that. And I've learned how to deal with that and instead of like freaking out, I just go,
you're fine, it's okay. Feeling this way is normal. I remember speaking with my therapists and she told me, I was like, I hate the fact that I feel anxious. I was like, there's people out there that don't really They just have kind of general anxiety, but they don't have that anxiety where it can also affect them physically where they feel weird or they feel like they could
pass out or this. And she was like, yeah, and then sometimes it happens to them like Tony soprano when or in their fifties trying to feed the ducks in their pool, and then that's just their life after that. And she said, the thing is is not like you have to accept that that's just who you are and that's the way your life is now, and do the best that you can to combat and deal with that anxiety and those emotions and the most positive manner possible.
So it wasn't until I started truly understanding what anxiety meant and how much it can affect your day to day personal and professional life that I even grew more sympathetic towards my mother and all the things that she
was dealing with. Yeah, well, I want to thank you for sharing that, and also just to say that I do think it's natural and extremely brave when you're sharing such personal accounts of things in your life and you're putting them out there, and we know the world we live in where everything we say is you know, it's natural for you to feel that way. So I really
appreciate you even opening up and sharing that. And I just want you to know that I think you're sharing your story not just on this interview but in this book in a way that is going to help so many people with their perspective. So I want you to know that, and I also want you to know that, yeah, we all have anxiety. I officiated someone's wedding this weekend, the wedding the weekend that just went, and my wife
said it to me. She was like, yeah, I've never seen you this anxious or stressed in your life with anything you do. And I was like, because it's someone's wedding day. I was like, And people were like, oh, but you've done this million times and you've done it, and I was like, it doesn't matter how many times I've done it. It's someone different and it's their wedding day and this is an important moment for someone. And what I've realized and I love what you said there
because I do something similar. I've redefined my relationship with anxiety that I'm feeling anxious when I care. So I know that when I'm feeling anxious it's because it's something good about me is that I care. I'm a human that loves and cares and is compassionate and wants to serve these two beautiful people that I wedded, that I love and that love me, and I have a relationship with it's because of that. I'm not scared about what
someone thinks about it or how it goes. I'm I'm anxious because I care about these two people and I feel they deserve something special. It's funny you say that, because another thing that I had dealt with for I mean, everybody deals with it is intrusive thoughts. You're aware of this, right, intrusive thoughts. So it could be the craziest thing. It
could be your baby falling to it's death. It could be you, I don't know, punching a store clerk, and you're just like, oh my god, why would I think that? How could I think something so despicable or whatever the case may be, these dark thoughts. And I remember talking to my therapist and she was like, well, one, those aren't really your thoughts. You're not thinking that. She was like, that's kind of douchebag brain. And she put it, she was like, it's just these thoughts that pop into your head,
and you need to understand that. That's that's also um like conscious, like your your conscious recognizes that and it's then terrified. And so I think when it comes to anxiety and the things you care about It's like, oh my god, if I think about my baby dying, because that's the most precious thing to me. If I think about I don't know, like I said, punching some clerk in the face, it's like violence. I hate violence. So it's these things that my brain is doing that I'm
kind of then freaking out about. But it's about how we deal with that. If we then focus on it too much and obsessed why would I think that? Why would I think that? Why would I think that? Then every time we're in a situation where that thought is then triggered, then it just becomes more intense and the real The key there is to not really focus on it is to really not think about it. Understand that it's a thought. It's a disgusting thought that you didn't
even think in your head. It just somehow popped in and you were like, oh my goodness, you know, to hell with you. And that's also how I feel about anxiety. I think there's a difference between legitimately like oh I'm starting to see stars or I feel like I need to sit down, Like that could be different, even though it may be anxiety. But it's like ask yourself, have you been working really hard? Have you drink enough water today?
Have you eaten? Have you this? Have you that? And having the mind the mindset to be able to just ask yourself what is going on? And that was something I couldn't do for a long time. I was very unhealthy, both physically and mentally. And once I really learned how to utilize these tools, my life became better. But I mean, I still get anxiety, like it sucks, yeah, but it also is great. I mean, I'm not going to say anxiety is great. Anxiety just sucks. But it's look at
this great conversation we're having because of it. I've made songs about it, I've written parts in scripts about it. I've like, I get it and I understand it. And because of that, it's actually allowed me to connect with people on such a deeper level and being willing to go because I'll tell you this, man, I love rap I love hip hop. It's a beautiful place. It's also
a negative place, just like the world is. And but I've met a lot of rappers where I try to have like deeper conversations with them and they just don't do it because I think they're also scared and to internalize how they're feeling. But I did have one guy, and I'll never forget. He was like, bro, I wish I could be you. And I was like, what do you mean. I'm like the nerd rapper who solved rubscubes and wraps about sci fi. You're like, you're that dude.
You know you got the cred even though Loki, I've shot guns and cook crack, so I guess I have the cred as well, but I don't really perpetuate that life. And he was like, look, man, he was like, I'm scared. He was like, that was so long ago. That's not who I am anymore. And he's like, I like video games, I like this, I like that. I wish I could
just be myself. And when he said that to me, I realized that all the years and time, the times that I'd been made fun of in hip hop or this or that, well, at the end of the day, I may have been made fun of by a certain sect or quote unquote cool group or the jocks of rap, but at least I was always myself and never had
to pretend to be somebody I was not. And then that led to, you know, just saying I'd rather be hated for who I am than loved for who I'm not, which I think, like Kurt Cobain or somebody said, yea, but yeah, there it is. Yeah. No, that's a beautiful message, man. I think that something everyone can relate to. And or you were speaking about there about the douchebag brain in the monasteryies to quote it, the monkey mind and the mind.
See if the monkey mind that's you know, saying all these intrusive thoughts, as you said, saying all these self doubt anxiety, and then you have the monk mind, which is the calm, distill, the balanced, and to bring that monkey mind back onto control. And so yeah, for me, that was always that was always a fun way of thinking about it. It's just like, oh, I've just got this monkey that's jumping from bronze to brown to my head and you know, it doesn't know what it wants
and it's confused and it's moving fast. But the monk mine can kind of ground it. So that aligns very strongly. I've always I always saw this guy who looks like I want you to imagine like a cartoon. There's this episode of Futurama. It's one of my favorite cartoons, but I forget the episode. But there's like this liquid guy and he's like blue and he looks like just kind of moving water and his head's all back and he
looks kind of cool. I imagine that guy in a leather jacket sitting on a like a beach chair in my brain, and he's responsible for these thoughts. He's like, he said, the monkey mine, it's like this monkey. But it's like that's how I see this guy. And I've actually had conversations with this guy like get out of here, dude, like like what's like chill? Like stop, And then he'll say something to me that I hear and it almost sounds like I'm crazy, right because it's like I'm having
a conversation with myself in my head. But I have had this and I'm like, no, like not today, man. And sometimes he really he'll he'll hit me with some crazy images or me freaking out or going to the emergency room or it's just all these things because I'm always constantly thinking about my health and I have to have those conversations until the water blob or monkey man or whatever to calm down and do my best to be in control, which is actually really funny because I'm
not in control. We're not really in control, and I think accepting the fact that you're not in control in some weird way gives you a bit of control at the same time. But yeah, yeah, yeah, it definitely it gives you more control over what you can control, if it there's any of that that you can do. So no, I like that, and I love the Futurama reference. All of the futura references. Was what would you say was your earlier You referred to this earlier, so I'm bringing
it back. What would you say was your earliest memory of becoming aware of racism? Uh, and and experiencing it for yourself or trying to understand it as a young person who obviously has a very diverse childhood, but people not being able to understand contextualize. I want to know what that's like from your perspective. Like I say in the book that that racism for me, when I first experienced it wasn't outside in, it was inside out right,
Because it was my mother who used this word. I mean, it's really disgusting, but but the way she would she would do it, she would do it in a way where it's just whatever would cut deep, you know, like if you were fat, she'd call you fat. If you're ugly,
she'd call you ugly. If you were black, she would, you know, use these slurs anybody, any race, any of this, any of that, which I was just thought was so disgusting because she would like say this, and then next week she'd take me to the library and we'd be getting like Black History Month, like DVDs and vhs, and she's like, you need to be proud of your of your heritage, and I'm just like, what is wrong with you?
So like there was that um and then the crazy thing about racism is like, Okay, first of all, it's one hundred percent, it exists. It's a real thing. But like especially kind of like in the hood and where I grew up, it's just different. It's like the white boys are hanging out with the brothers and and and you know, the Mexican cats and everybody. We're all just hanging out together. Like unless it's like gangs who are like just don't mess with a certain demographic of other people.
But for the most part, man, like, oh, everybody was just hanging It wasn't really like that and then once you start growing up is where you realize like these
sects and these like this division really comes in. So for me, it was very weird to to enter hip hop, a place that I love and loved and um is built on positivity and all the way from Sugar Hill Gang and KRS one and you know it's it is built on a message run DMC like be yourself and it was also a lot of fun braggadosha, but for the most part, it was like, you know, this is the story that we're here to tell, and so for me, I was like, oh wow, I can tell my story.
So it's I was like there in these last ten years at the cusp of hip hop becoming like low key the most popular genre of music, and the more quote unquote pop that it got, the more attention was brought on all of the people who were heading it at the front line, and being one of those people received a lot of hate that was basically all based on my race, which was very difficult because it was like a double edged sword and there was really no winning.
You're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't. I go in an interview and they'd say Okay, yeah, so we here with this with this rapper name logic. So what's it like being white and hip hop and blah blah blah, and I have to go, well, first of all, I'm not I'm black and white, so I mixed. And then and then that turns into comments on the internet like why is he always got to be proven himself?
Why has he always got to explain? Why is he alway getting It's like, well, one, I'm just telling you who I am so first and foremost, like you know, you're for you to look at me and just claim that I'm one thing. No, I am proud to be this thing, which the double edged sword is. Then what if I never said it? And then you find out that my dad's black? And then a year later you're like,
so what you was shamed to be black? You're trying to use this whole white thing to get And then it's that and you know, you have incredible artists like Kendrick lamar I, j Cole Killer, Mike Black Thought from the Roots talking about their black and every song they're they're happy to be black, They're proud to be black.
I'm black, I'm black and black, I'm to blackest. And then, for the first time in my career, on my third album, after constantly being called this thing that I didn't necessarily identify with, on three songs, I go, hey, I'm biracial, I'm mixed, I'm actually black and white. And then they turned it into this like biracial meme. And then I have white kids and black kids and brown kids and all these other people trying to tell me what I
am or what I'm not. And it was a very difficult time in my life until I realized it's literally just a meme. It has not thing to do with anything. The music is so good, the music is getting billions of streams, the music is platinum. That I'm in arenas, I'm selling out. Oh this is just a talking subject. It's it's low hanging fruit. It's easy for these people to try to identify me for what they claim me as, put me in that box and leave it at that. And that was a big part of me stepping away
from the Internet and realizing, oh, it doesn't even matter. Yeah, And it's almost like it's almost like you were repeating what you had to do as a child, Like as a child, he had to be like Okay, this is not my mom. This is her illness, this is her challenge.
It's not about me. And so now it was like, mom is kind of like the Internet, where it's like look right, yeah, like whoa Actually like the way he said, it's kind of insane, because yeah, I then had this like very negative but also beautiful relationship at the same time with the Internet and social media and all this which in many ways was constantly berating me and harassing me and yelling at me and screaming at me the same way my mother did when I was a child. Wow,
nice Pool, You're a genius. No, yeah, no, it's just interesting. I just I love seeing how like patterns repeat in people's lives and how we have to It's almost like you you've overcome the first challenge of their upbringing, and then it's like, well, here's the escalated challenge of it with now like millions of people who don't know you. And then, as you said, you're selling out Arenas people love the music, the music so awesome. You know, you're
getting to see the real version of that. Tell us about how you with all of this that we've already talked about, and I saved this for this part of the interview. And you write a book called This Bright Future, which is your memoir, and I'm like, I love that, Like I just I want to know how much I love that? Like, how tell us where that title comes from? And why this bright Future? When was that a I'm asking this? Was that an imagination? Was that a vision? Where?
Where did that come from? So there's a there's a band called Manfred Man's Band, and they have a song. I've actually had tried to sample them for years and years and years because they have some really cool stuff.
No Id sampled who I'm Homies With, sampled them for a bunch of Kanye West songs and things like that back in the day, beautiful twist and fantasy, and so I've been searching and searching and searching, and finally in twenty twenty, I found this sample and it's called Lies through the Eighties and there's this lyric and it goes, I saw a boy with no smile on his face today,
whereas my bright future in this world or whatever. So I love that and I sampled that and chopped it up for a song called heard Him Say on my last album No Pressure, And that to me is like the epitome of what the book is about my place and rap is about hip hop, like it kind of sums that up. And then we just had this idea like, wow,
what if what if? That was the title? And I love it because if you look at the cover, you'll see it's it's actually so the under Excuse me, the No Pressure cover is me kind of levitating in a basement that's breaking up into space. Now. Nine albums before that was my debut album, Under Pressure, and that was me in a basement in my homie Lenny's basement when I was broke in College Park, just trying to get a record deal, which I eventually got and we all
moved to LA and that was awesome. So when you're looking at the No Pressure cover, you'll see I'm facing you and I'm levitating, and you see my feet in the air for this bright future. The memoir cover, you'll see it's actually from the back of my legs. And then it's a reflection. So I'm this grown man kind of like rising and heading in towards towards the light, you know, not the darkness, and then you see a child falling into darkness, which to me kind of represents
my birth and where I spent my entire childhood. But somehow, falling into darkness, I levitated into lightness and I don't know or into the light, excuse me, and I have no idea how that happened. But that's what that all means to me. I love that. I want I want people to see that because I do think it's it's
beautifully artistic and thank you and absolutely stunning. And I wanted to hear you describe that to everyone, because yeah, I just love symbolism and I love visuals that can make you feel something, and I think when you see this, everyone can. I'm looking at it right now and I'm going and I can relate in my own way to what it feels like to be that kid that's falling, and I can relate in my own way to what
it feels like that person that's elevating. And I wanted this, you know, when I speak to you logic, I want to read the book, Bobby. It's like you have such a great understanding of psychology, thought, the mind. I want to when did you get fascinated with how this all works? What were you reading, what were you listening to? Who are you speaking to that help you understand that the way you speak is so structured and thought out, and
you recognize where things sit and how they are. Where did that come from, Where did it get nourished, and how did you grow that? Um? Well, thanks man, you make me sound like smart or something. Dude, I meant it, I really mean it. I really mean it. I think I've always loved language, and I think it's a beautiful thing. I wish I had a doper vocabulary like Neil de grass Tyson or something. I was hanging out with Neil de grass Tyson and he was like saying equivocal or what.
I was just like, I need to step my game up. When I was younger, though, I saw the power of words, and I would study the dictionary and I would study the thesaurus. I also wanted to separate myself from any you know, of my contemporaries or even my predecessors in hip hop as well. Now I'm not saying that I think I'm this like you know, oh, I use words
they don't use not at all. He take somebody like nas I mean this dude was doing the same thing back in the day in the projects and on Queen's Bridge, and he was using like the he was using words like cerebral, like nobody would say that like he would be. Other guys were just like, yeah, you know, take a shot to the head. He'd be like, take a gunshot through the cerebal cortex in the spot. And I'm just like, Yo, this is so cool. I also have always just been
so inspired by Quentin Tarantino. And you know, he didn't go to film school. He just did it, and he was like, he made movies his life. He studied film in a way that you just couldn't even do at film school. He learned things like on the street. And that's how I felt when it came to I guess just my mentality about life, Like I looked at people like Alan Watts, who has one of the greatest quotes I've ever heard, personally says, anything you can be interested in,
you will find others who are. And that, in and of itself alone is what inspired me to be me. Is to be this guy who did yes has come from being surrounded by drugs and guns and violence but wanting to wrap about anime and sci fi and I think studying great minds and reading and I'm mainly a visual audio person honestly, but yeah, taking the time to read and just study is what helped me grow as a man and a musician. I mean, I didn't even
graduate high school, man, I got kicked out. So it's like, I think formal education is awesome and it's important depending on where you know the trajectory of your life and where you see your path going and your career. But not for me, man, School of Hard knocks dog Like, I don't know how it worked, but I'm glad it did. But I also think that it's like I'm just like a regular dude who made some kind of okay decisions.
And I also love that. You know, I always hated teachers who spoke down on you that like, when you ask a question, they almost made you feel stupid for doing so. So it's like, I'm a professional at my craft. I'm a master at what I do. But in no way do I ever want anybody to feel either intimidated or like I think I'm so knowledgeable in my world that they feel like we can't even have a conversation.
So I think there's levels to also the vocabulary that you use when having conversations with people because it's like, dude, you want to be down to earth, you want to be regular, but you also want to let people you know,
know that you know what they're talking about. So yeah, for sure, it's so it's it's a great I was literally just about to ask you about school off though, when you mentioned as going to say because you felt like school gave up on you, And I think there's a lot of young people that feel that way where school gave up on them. And I loved what you said. You're not discouraging anyone from following a traditional school pattern
or whatever it may be. But when when you think about school, I wonder if if if logic was to set up a school, inspire a school, what would be some of the exciting classes and lessons that would go on in that school? Video game testing. That's the number one I'm serious, man, because think about how long all these parents were always like video games will rot your brain, there's no future. And now you've got pro video gamers making millions, hundreds of millions of dollars playing video games
and having fun and doing this thing. So it's like I sucked at math, but me and these teachers, we didn't speak the same language. You know. These are people who want to make a difference in a kid's life, but has no idea that his mother is suffering from this insane mental illness or how to deal with that. It's like there was no real line of communication and understanding between me and these people who are supposed to essentially teach me not only about you know, academics, but
life in many ways. So I wish I had somebody who spoke my language. I wish I had somebody who understood, Oh wow, like this kid really likes video games. Have you ever thought about coding video games? What do you mean? What are you talking about coding video games? Well, creating this world? What are you talking about? Well, it's all binary, it's ones and zeros, it's math. Yeah, but if you actually focus on math, you could engineer an entire world
that a video game takes place in. Well you don't say, like, it's like I never had that conversation. It was just do algebra or drop out, and that was very difficult. Yeah. I think that's small. I couldn't agree more. I think I was grow up thinking I didn't know that any other industry has existed from medicine, law, and finance. Like beyond that, I didn't even know there was a potential to have another job because I didn't meet anyone outside of those industries, and I didn't know anyone who had
been accomplished or successful outside of those industries. And so you end up just going, well, well, then these are just my three options. And I think there is such a limitation placed on that because you're just unaware when you think about now, obviously you've made it in an industry which is highly competitive, it's difficult, it's saturated. It's like every kid's dream to want to be a rapper
out their music or their song be heard. Yeah, when you go back to the days when it wasn't working musically, what was the thing that kept you going? Was it that you were chasing a deal or a hit or was it that you just loved it so much that you just believed in any way? Where was that what kept you going? Probably craziness, because it's like you have to be crazy to think, oh, I'm gonna make it
as a rapper. But the difference with me, though, is like I looked at it from a business standpoint, Like I was like, okay, if I could take a brand myself, be myself, be honest. I feel like there's not really a lot of me in rap, and there's not really a lot of me in major rap or major music, mainstream music. So I want to fill that void. And as I started to write these songs where I'm like, believe in yourself, peace, love and positivity. You can do it.
You can be whatever you want. Like people started engaging with that and we're like, wow, this isn't just the traditional what is rap or what is this or that or whatever the case may be. And I don't say that any any negative connotation or anything. You know, It's like, literally, there's a bunch of rap that's kind of negative. There's rap that's really good. But I felt this kind of nerdy sci fi me could break through. I don't know why.
I think it was insane that to even begin to think that, but it was just like week by week, little by little things were improving, whether it was ten extra followers on Twitter. I was also utilizing and using social media in a way that these platforms hadn't known about it or they weren't ready for what was coming. Because it was cats like me, Kendrick Lamar J Cole
Macmiller was Khalifa. We were utilizing this as a space where we didn't need a major label and if we put out a song that was catchy enough, people could decide what they wanted to listen to. And so radio was dying, MTV, all that stuff was kind of out of there, and there was just this pocket of where you have these like blogs like this song is Sick and two Dope Boys, and people could go to a blog to find what they want and what they love, and that allowed me to shine and do it and
the bigger I got. Yeah, there were certain things that I was chasing. I was chasing being able to go on tour by myself, being able to make a lot of money, hopefully having a hit record. But it's funny. I had a very slow burning career and I amassed a lot of fans. I I was playing arenas before I ever had a hit song with one eight hundred. And it's funny because when I gave up trying to chase the hit, I ended up making the song from
my Heart the Last. Nobody would trust me. Nobody was like in the studio, like, yeah, song about suicide about to take over the club Dog, like nobody was thinking that. Okay, So I made this thing from my heart and it blew up. And then after that I was just kind of like, well, I'm here. I meane thirty million dollars that year, I was doing records with Marshmallow and Eminem and I was just like, let's go, go, go, go go.
And then I realized after over a decade, I was on this hamster wheel and I was doing it, and it's like, how many number ones can you have? How many platinum plaques can you have? How many this can you have? How many that can you have. I've literally attained and accomplished any everything that a musician could dream too attain, with the exception of winning a Grammy, which is merely just a glorified pat on the back. And so I had to look myself in the mirror and
say why. And I've purposefully slowed down so that I can focus on my mental and physical health, so that I can focus on being there for my child and my wife, and that I can love and enjoy this life and this house that I've spent the last seventeen years of my life building, and it is terrifying. Jake I'm just gonna be me and do me. And it's not about the money, and it's about value over fear. And I used to value money and success and being that guy over my health and I will never do
that ever again. That's beautiful, mind, well said I. Actually I'd picked out a few of your lyrics that were my favor I want to read this one. It's from a Confessions of a Dangerous Mind. You said, sech if a blace only led me to seching for hits only led me to battle this press. I don't learn my
lesson because fame never less in the pain. And you know that lyric for me is so powerful to what you just said right now, And I think you know for someone who has had so much success, it's it's incredible because I feel, no matter how many times you hear that you have to go do it for yourself, right, no matter the oldest successful people I speak to in the world, I'm like, every one of them feels exactly how you do. But every one of them will say I had to go there to be able to accept it.
But it seems like you've really allowed yourself to accept it genuinely, and your family has become such a focus. I want to hear them more about it. What does it feel like to you to be a husband, to be a father? Like we started there when we were talking about your child. How have you prioritized that relationship in your life? Like, what does that mean to you to, you know, be in a relationship in a way that
you'd never seen before growing up? Well, one, I just want to say, you quoted one of my favorite albums and an album that was actually commercially my least quote unquote successful album because of the things I was discussing on that album, and yet it's still to this date, my most popular album. It's really funny how that works. So I just want to say that my relationship with
my son and my wife just family. It's the greatest thing in the world because when I was going through things or feeling a certain way, you just look at this child and you go, my kid is healthy. So so what if somebody on the internet's like, you're not black? You know what I mean? It's like, my wife is happy. So what if somebody on the internet's like you suck at rapping? Like it's these things are so minuscule and they don't matter. And I'm looking at what actually matters,
but it is difficult, once again to know. But it comes down to value over fear. There is fear that me stepping away, I may not be as big because I'm focusing on my family and my personal ment in physical and mental health. But I value that so much more than the fear of what could come. I mean, i haven't been on the Internet in two years, and I've only ever jumped in if I like grab my assistants phone just to like tweet something, and I could tweet something and as soon as it goes up, I
get like auto responses. And a couple of weeks ago, I was posting because I did the I narrated the entire book This Bright Future, and I posted something and somebody immediately was like, you fell off hard, And I'm in my head like I just dropped an album last year and it's sold two hundred and fifty thousand units in a week. Is that fallen off? Like? You know
what I mean? And then I remember what the internet does to you, and it makes you question yourself and second guess yourself, and it's also very paid to play. The less time I spend on Instagram, if I have six plus million followers. Every time I post, I don't see the same mount of love or or or likes or views that I used to because I'm not constantly on it anymore. So now I literally either have to
pay for ads and space to get all this. It's just kind of like a sick thing where if you pull away, you can't leave where you kind of left off. But once again, I look at my boy and I realize that it's the Matrix man, Like none of that matters. Also, I'm excited for that new Matrix movie coming out. Yeah, yeah, shout out to the Matrix movie. But no, I really appreciate, I really appreciate hearing that from you, because I think as creatives, whatever space we're in, everyone everyone focuses on
that feeling of being becoming irrelevant. And I personally believe that the time you take out to rediscover yourself allows you to reinvent who you are and your new creativity and define a genre and change a genre and upgrade, and I feel like it's all level right, Like you can have someone who does the same thing every day, all day, every year, or you see those people that have been relevant every decade because they took it to
another level. Right, They did something different, they did something more innovative, they did something surprising, and both of them. I respect both of them. I'm not saying one's better than the other, but what I am saying, yeah, but I want the ladder Man. Yeah right, I want to be Bowie and Queen like I don't want to just you're right, like I don't want to just be out
here like working myself to death. I'm sorry. I don't mean to cut you off, but I just so I agree with what you're saying, but it's just so scary, especially in rap, where it's like you're either on all the time or you're not. But I'm gonna be honest, Jay, like I haven't. I'm not excited. There's no there's not an ounce in me that feels like touring right now that feels like really going hard and like promoting an album like I don't want to do that. And if
I don't want to do that, then I shouldn't. I should wait until the music is there. I am excited and I cannot wait to go out and do it. I think I've dropped up one minimum sometimes two projects a year for the last twelve years of my life. Wow,
I think I'm going to chill out. Yeah, well, I think that's the trade off, right, Like when people hear that, if you're at the beginning of your journey and you're listening to Bobby right now and you're going, oh, yeah, he's right, let me just lay back and let me take my time, that probably is bad advice because at
that time in your life, in that phase. And I always say that people don't look at what people are doing at their stage, look at what they did at your phase, Like, look at what they did in when they were your age, when they were in your time, when they were just beginning, because you know, that's the difference that you've now earned a platform you worked hard for, that you built that, and that now gives you the flexibility to adapt and reinvent and recreate and focus on
your family, whereas there was a time when all you had to do was give it all you had because you had to be present. And so I and I think the mistake is what you said. It's almost like what you call like like broke mindset almost where you continue to live like you don't have anything right and if you continue to live that way mentally, emotionally, financially, spiritually,
then you can't sustain that. And I think that's what happens, is that when you're on that journey upwards, if you don't at one point realize, oh no, now I do need to start investing in my health. I do need to start investing in my mind. I do need to start.
It's like athletes. The athletes that have lasted are athletes that realized after they want everything that they needed to eat right, they needed to sleep right, they needed to change their fitness schedule, and that's where they people like Tom Brady still playing right, Christiano Ronaldo in Europe, if you're a soccer fan, still playing at thirty six at the top of the game. So I feel like that's
what you see these shifts in leaders, if that makes sense. Yeah, you just snapped so hard that's all the sets of the world. Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree with that statement. Thank you man. Well, I appreciate you're gonna We're gonna go to You've been very generous with your time. We end every up a segment with a final five. So this is a fast five, rapid fire around where every question has to be answered in one word or one sentence maximum easy for a freestyle rapper and a musician, and
you can answer in lyrics if you like to. Yeah. So the first question is what is the best advice you've ever received or given? Be yourself? What is the worst advice you've ever received? Be yourself? I'm seriously so that depends on who you are. Now tell me to explain, explain the why it can be the worst. I'll give you up more words. I think it's the best, and it's really incredible because you are not a fraud. You are yourself. Undoubtedly you are you, and that is amazing.
But also when you are yourself, at least in my genre, and you put your whole life in a book, and you put your whole everything that you are, your of your passion and to records, and it's you. It's not a persona, it's not you're not an actor playing you know, a role that just wasn't received well in this movie, and you're Brad Pitt and you go on to make a bunch of other like you're you. So when your highs are high, they're high, and when they're low, they're low.
And when you are yourself, you're not always loved, or you might be kicked and you know, pulled down to the pits of hell. But at the same time, being yourself can open up Heaven's gates. So it's it was I know it's crazy, but you said fire off rapidly. Those two are difficult. Yeah, it's great, all right. Question number three. If you could have a dinner party, but three other people who denn are alive, who would they be? Be yourself? No, I'm just kidding. It would be Um.
I would have to say Quentin Tarantino. Um, hold on, let me think dinner party. Oh m, Freddie Mercury. Oh man, dude, I'm sorry, happy, I love Freddie Mercury and Queen I was not expecting the best, and probably Carl Sagan. I want to I want to be. I want to be. I want to be a fly on the one of that dinner, either either Carl Sagan or Malcolm X. That would be the most Y know, Tarantino and Malcolm X. That's a wild conversation. Oh yeah, anyway, that would be No,
that'd be amazing. I was asked that question this week by I was doing a corporate event Q and A would target and rehab from Target asked me that question, and I was like, oh, that's a really cool question. I want to know who else everyone would want to sit down with, I said, was yours? I said, Steve Jobs, Einstein and Martin Luther King. Those are my three. I was like, those those minds in the same room would
be would be fascinating. All right. Question number four, what is the biggest lesson you've learned in the last twelve months? Really being happy with yourself and knowing like knowing your self worth and just knowing what's important. And that's what my time, my family, my health. That's what I've really really learned in these last twelve months. I love that, all right. In fifth and final question, if you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow,
what would it be. There's so many things, but honestly, the first one that comes is to just abolish guns. I just wish guns didn't exist. I wish I didn't need them. I wish people didn't need them. It would be amazing if they were just all gone. It'd be a lot of stabbings, but at least, you know, it wouldn't be like, yeah, so I would that'd be great. If if all these mass shootings and things like that could stop in wars. But I mean it's a fairy tale,
but that's what I would do. Amazing. Thank you man, everyone, Bobby hall Ak Logic This Bright Future. That's the book. We're gonna put it the link in all the comments, the captions. I want you to go out and grab a copy, read it, devour it. You're gonna love it. It's it's poetry, it's it's vulnerable, and it's a book that I truly think is going to change the way people think about parenting relationships and how they spend their life,
in their legacy and what they chase. So Bobby, I want to say a big thank you to you for not just doing this podcast, but for writing this book. I appreciate you. I hope we get to bump into a few bump into each other a few more airports, but also some dinners and whatever else, and give my love to Peppe and the rest of the team and send me his address. I want to send him something. But thank you so much, man. I appreciate you and
thank you, thank you for this time. I just want to say thank you for having me, and thank you to everybody watching and listening. It means a lot. Sometimes I wake up I can't believe that I even get to have conversations with people like you. I feel lucky. I'm super blessed, and I just want to thank you all everyone involved, producers, people behind the camera, everybody. Thank you so much for making this possible. And I really appreciate you guys. So hopefully we could do this again.
And yeah, man, I'd love to have dinner sometime. Let's yeah, man, it'd be good to get together. Thank you so much, Thanks everyone for listening. I want to make sure that if you've heard anything from Bobby that resonated today, make sure you do tag us on Instagram and Twitter. Let us know what connected, what resonated, any of the wisdom bites that he shared with you. We'd both love to see. Well, he won't see it, but I'll definitely see it. I'd
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