Joe Dispenza ON: Why Stress and Overthinking Negatively Impacts Your Brain and Heart & How to Change Your Habits on Autopilot

when I get to sit down with him. This is our third interview, I believe in as many years, and I can't wait because there's some phenomenal research that he and his team have done that will be extrapolating and extracting from today's as well. Now, today's guest who I'm talking about is Dr Joe Dispenser. His passion can be found at the intersection of the latest findings from the fields of neuroscience, epigenetics, and quantum physics to explore the

science behind spontaneous remissions. Doctor Joe uses that knowledge to teach people how to heal from their bodies of health conditions, make significant changes in their lives, and evolve their consciousness. Doctor Joe is a New York Times best selling author, researcher, lecturer, and corporate consultant, and he released his most recent project called Inspire music and guidance to accompany the breath called Pulling the Mind Out of the Body. I can't wait

for you to check it out. Welcome to the episode and podcast, Doctor Joe Dispenser. Joe, thank you so much.

was all last minute. It wasn't convenient to you, So I just wanted everyone to also know that offline, the love and care and compassion with which you work is really beautiful. So thank you so much for doing that.

repetitive thought. Absolutely, and we think about the most beautiful things we create is because we're obsessed with this new idea and this new thought that we want to build something. But at the same time, we know countless people who they have a thought every day that says, I'm unlovable,

I'm unworthy, I don't deserve love in my life. If someone's having a negative, repetitive thought specifically around self worth, what they believe they deserve in love, where do they start with that thought?

the more unconscious they become. So the process of change really requires becoming conscious of your unconscious thoughts, which means just because you have that thought doesn't necessarily mean it's the truth. If you have that thought and you accept it, you believe it, you surrender to it without analyzing it, that thought will lead to the same choice, which will lead to the same behavior, which will create the same experience, which then will produce the same emotion. The same emotions

then drive our very same thoughts in time. Our biology are in our circuitry or in our chemistry or hormones, and even our gene expression stays the same because we're the same. So in the process of change, when you come up against that unconscious belief and you make it conscious, most people get uncomfortable when they confront that thought, and

they're stopping an automatic process. And the body, which has been conditioned to be the mind, because it's doing something over and over again, that's a habit, is craving the experience because it wants the emotion associated with it. Right, So the thought of being unworthy produces the feeling of being unworthy. That feeling, then when the person feels unworthy, tends to cause the person to think more unworthy thoughts.

It only takes a thought and a feeling, an image of yourself, and an emotion, a stimulus and response, and you can condition the body to memorize that behavior and that emotional state better than the conscious mind. So the moment we inhibit that thought or the moment we become conscious of it and we no longer accept it. There's a biological craving that takes place in the body because

the body has been conditioned to be the mind. So the body starts influencing the mind to think more corresponding thoughts equal to that feeling. So here comes the assault, and you're not only unworthy, you're everything else that goes along with that feeling. And this is where people have to make up their mind that if they truly want to change, Because if you decide to confront that thought and make a different choice, get ready, because you're going

to feel uncomfortable. It's going to feel unfamiliar, and there's gonna be some uncertainty because you're stepping out of familiar territory. Now, you're stepping out of the known and you're stepping into

the unknown. Now this is really when you leave the bleachers and you get on the playing field, because the brain immediately looks around in its environment to see if anything's changing because you're changing, and you see that nothing in your world is changing because you actually haven't fully changed yet. So the moment, we look for evidence in

our life and we don't see it. Sooner or later, most people accept that thought, which leads to the same choice, which creates the same behavior, which creates the same experience, that produces the same feeling, and then they say, oh, this feels right to me. Now that feels familiar because you've just returned back to the known self. I think that when people truly want to make up their mind to change, and they become so conscious of those unconscious thoughts,

they would never go unconscious to them. Again, that's the moment the body is being reconditioned to a new mind. If you inhibit that choice that leads to that habit or that behavior. A habit is when you've done something so many times the body knows how to do it better than the brain. Now you're stopping the body from

being on its automation, on autopilot. And if the body's craving the feeling of unworthiness, and you're stopping the body from feeling that way, and you're aware in your life how you speak, you're aware in your life how you're feeling, and you're checking in you're saying, do I really want to feel this way? This is that river of change where you're going from the old self to the new self. So it makes sense then if those prints and biology you work in that way, they could actually work in

our favor. So if you said, Okay, I'm going to sit down for a few minutes, I'm going to come so conscious of my unconscious self, my unconscious personality, that victory today would not be going unconscious to those thoughts, behaviors and emotions. Okay, let me get so familiar with them that I don't go unconscious. Okay, I got that down. Now, what thoughts do I want to fire and wire in

my brain? And if a belief is a thought that you keep thinking over and over again with intention and with attention, you'll switch on that prefrontal cortex and assign meaning to the act and start installing new circuits in your brain. If you keep doing it over and over again, it becomes more hardwired, it becomes more automatic. And now you're installing a new belief that you are worthy of love, you are worthy of abundance, you are worthy to heal,

whatever that is. That's the thought you do want to believe in. And when it matters the most is when it's the hardest, because if you don't have the circuitry in place, you'll default back to the old programs. Right, So, then if you said, how am I going to be in my zoom calls today? How am I going to be in traffic today? How am I going to be with my ex my coworkers? And you started thinking about and rehearsing how you are going to act in certain situations.

The brain actually doesn't know the difference between the real life experience and what you're imagining. The research on mental rehearsal shows that the brain will look like in time that it's already had the experience and it's vacant of the experience. Now, keep firing and wiring those circuits and you're going to begin to behave that way. So now you're installing circuitry now to use in your life to get your behaviors to match your intentions. You said, how

would it feel to feel worthy of love? How would it feel to be grateful for life? How would it feel to be worthy of abundance? And you said, I'm going to teach my body emotionally what this feels like before the manifestation of the event. You're not waiting for your life to change to feel worthy. You're actually changing your life by becoming worthy. You're generating abundance, You're generating love,

You're creating an elevated emotion. Now, our data is so compelling because when you truly begin to elevate your emotional state and you could really lock in, you know, to those elevated emotions. Your body is so objective that it actually believes that it's living in a whole new environment before the environment changes. In other words, the body's believing

it's in that new future. And if the environment signals the gene and it does, and the end product of an experience in the environment is an emotion, you're actually signaling genes ahead of the environment, and your body will begin to become conditioned to a new mind. Now, think about this, if you did that every day. The word meditation literally means become familiar with You become familamiliar with your old self. You become familiar with your new self.

And you say, I'm not getting up until I feel this feeling. And then you'd say, I want to be able to bring this feeling up whenever I want. I'm going to keep remembering this feeling over and over again. Only it takes a thought and a feeling an image of the future, and emotion is stimness. In response, you can condition your body to believe it's living in a whole new life. And when you feel the emotions of

your future, something amazing happens. You're no longer in lack or separation, so you're no longer looking for the event to take away that feeling of lack or separation. Your body's actually believe it's in the event, So then you're not looking for it. You feel like it's already happened. Get ready, because that's when your life begins to change.

And so we've discovered that if you're actually practicing this and you immerse yourself in that experience fully for seven days, the amount of metabolic and biological changes that will take place in your body will be so significant that your body will actually believe it's living in that future. And yet most of the people that come to our workshops are literally in a ballroom. There's nothing really exciting happening in the environment, but their bodies believing they're living in

a whole new life. And so one thought leads to a choice, which leads to behavior, which creates an experience that produces an emotion. So then new information, new knowledge, begins to cause you to think differently. If you can remember that knowledge and begin to make a different choice. Because you want to experience the truth of that information,

you'll have to behave differently. And when the experience occurs and you feel the feeling of your abundance or wealth, I guarantee you you're going to continue wanting to make the process of change something consistent in your life.

reprogram myself by giving that to my mind every single day. Yeah, and as I'm listening to you talk, I think there's a few really powerful things I wanted to pull out. When I lived as a monk and studied the Vaders, they would talk about thoughts in different modes. And there are three modes, the mode of ignorance, the motive passion,

and the mode of goodness. And there's a hierarchy to those thoughts, and so the mode of ignorance would be an unfulfilling thought or a completely fear or in security based thought, which would be I am not worthy or I am unlucky, and I can't do that. I can't be in love, no one can be in love with me. That's like a mode of ignorance thought. A mode of passion thought would be I can be in love with anyone I want, and I can find anything. And it's

almost like you know you're lying to yourself. You haven't really you haven't really applied what you're saying, and it's just this big, bold statement, but it doesn't quite sit and resonate. And the goodness thought is I can take steps daily to create love in my life right now. And you start to see how people would often look at what we're saying and they think, oh, it's just positive thinking.

that you can prepare for the future. Even when I do skydiving or if I'm sitting in a cold plunge, I'm preparing my mind before I even do it. There's no point of just jumping in and diving in. I think what's really interesting is that partly a lot of the anxiety and stress we feel is because we kind of hope that will never feel anxiety and stress again. So there's a sense of like, Okay, I can get

to a place where I never experience anxiety. I almost think that that sets us up to be more hurt by the anxiety and inevitable uncertainty will feel.

because you're the same. So the experiment is, okay, let me begin to think differently. So I got remind myself how I do want to think, and I have to remind myself of how I no longer want to think, so I don't default and go unconscious. Let me remind myself how I'm going to behave so that I could actually get my behaviors to match my intentions, and let me remind myself of how I'm gonna feel. If I'm able to succeed in that day, then there should be

some change in my life. That is the experiment. And if it doesn't change, that doesn't mean the law doesn't work for you. It's just you're not that good yet. It just you just got to keep practicing. Right. So the act of disconnecting from your life long enough to remind yourself of who you do want to be and who you no longer want to be. That experiment, then, is the experiment called life. Now, it's not that you react. The question is how long are you going to react?

That's the real question. Because I mean I react all the time, what everybody does. But if you're going to stay there and you're going to live in that emotional state, you will see life through that lens of that emotion. Right. So, now it gets complicated because the stronger the you feel towards certain people or problems in your life, the more you pay attention to then, and where you place your

attention is where you place your energy. So from a purely biological as well as quantum state, we could say, then you're using that person or that circumstance to reaffirm your dependence on feeling that emotion. So you have to hate your enemy, and if your enemy dies, you'll find another person to hate, because that is the response. Right.

So the body is the animal. It's been conditioned a certain way, and if it's been doing something and feeling something for an extended period of time, there's a modification of its receptor sites. It's needing those emotional states. So in the process of change, just be ready because you're going to feel uncomfortable a lot of the time. Now, the question is do you want to stay there? So then most people think they don't have any control over their emotional Stanley think I'm just this way and I

feel this way. Well, we actually can show people that that's not the truth. That when it's the hardest, it matters the most. And if you're able to really work and train your body like you're training an animal to stop feeling one way and start feeling another way. If you believe that you're an eternal being, let's just say that, I mean just most religions talk about we're eternal, and most sects of thought, there are only a few that don't.

Whether you're going to heaven or hell, or Nirvana or on the wheel, you're pretty much going to be around for a long time. That moment matters so much in the light of eternity, because that's the moment you make up your mind to no longer be defined by your past. Why are you being defined by your past? Because emotions are a record of the past, and so then if you're feeling that emotion, your body is believing it's back

in that same experience of the past. So the more knowledge that we have and understand that justified valid or not, those emotions are hurting no other person but you, because the long term effects of living by those emotional states, Those survival states are actually down regulating genes and creating diseases. Sooner or later, you're going to have to ask yourself, is this loving to myself? And forgiveness is just when you overcome the emotion, you take your attention off that

person or that problem. You're freeing yourself and you're freeing them. So people do the best with what they think is available. That's my belief. And if you're unaware that you can control your emotional states, you'll rely on something outside of you to do that. Whether it's a computer game, whether it's a Netflix show, and whether it's a drug, whatever it is that you need to make that feeling go away, you're dependent on your outer world. And I think that's

a hypnosis. That's a conditioning. Teach people that you can actually regulate and change your emotional states, you give them the tools to literally step into a new future. So that process, of course, is extremely uncomfortable, and the question is how long are you going to stay in that

emotional state? And fifty percent of the story that most people tell about that past experience isn't even the truth because they're making things up, and they're doing that so that they can justify why they haven't changed since some past event. Most people reach a point in their life where they reach crisis or disease or diagnosis or loss or betrayal where they finally go, gosh, it's time to change.

I think change is an ongoing process, and the more we change, the more we should see evidence in our life that makes it exciting.

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they still struggle to make a change. And so I found that we don't often have a values crisis, we have a habits crisis because people don't add to reprogram their habits and they've started to assume that the way

they feel is who they are. And I wonder how you think about this, because I think we're living at a time where what you just said is like you either kind of find a way to numb your feelings, so you're turning towards something external to numb how you feel, or today we're being told, well, feel every feeling and emotion completely, and then often we don't kind of get

to the reprogramming phase. So I guess, how do you know how long to take a feeling seriously effectively and assessing it before you kind of take action on it.

That image is being bossed neurologically in the brain. So then what most people don't know is that every time they remember that event, that trauma, that betrayal, that loss, whatever it is, they're producing the same chemistry and their brain and body as if the event is occurring. So what happens over time is that conditioning process conditions the

body to literally live in the past. So if a person is living by the same familiar feeling every single day, whether it's guilt or unworthiness, or pain or suffering or victimization or depression or whatever it is, it's so important for them to come right up against that emotional state. Because they're coming up against the known, the question fundamentally becomes for that person, is it possible then to feel

a different feeling? Now, if you cannot feel a different feeling other than the feeling that you're used to feeling, it should tell you volumes a that feeling quiz. It's going to influence your very same thoughts. So the research that we've done over and over again is that the only way you're actually going to reprogram your brain to work in your favor is you've got to learn how to regulate your brain waves. And you know this, of course.

Beta brainwave patterns are thinking brainwave patterns. It's the analytical mind. It's our critical facilities that we're in beta right now, we're aware of our bodies, we're aware of the environment, we're aware of time. The new cortex has switched on. It's what plugs us into three dimensional reality. It's the seat of the autobiographical self. There's a lot of circuits in there from things you've learned intellectually and things you've

experienced in your life. So for the most part, it's a repository of the past, right, And so ninety percent of those thoughts that we think, being the same thoughts as the day before, tend to become like automatic programs, and they become more subconscious and more unconscious. So in order for us to begin to change those programs, we got to get into the operating system. And the only way we do that is we've got to slow our

brain waves down in that thinking neo cortex. The challenge for most people is they have so many demands in their life, they have so many emotional responses to circumstances in their life that they're living in a state of stress and living in the state of survival. And state of stress and survival, you don't close your eyes. You got to keep your eye on the ball. You got

to keep your attention on the outer environment. So their brains tend to work in a higher brainwave pattern, a mid range or high level beta brainwave pattern, and that's like driving your sports car in first gear. It's a lot of energy for the brain. So learning how to regulate and slow your brain waves down is something that we've been very, very interested in. When you teach people

how to do that, it could become a skill. And when the brain starts to relax and it moves into less of that chatter that takes place in your brain and more of an imaginary state the brain sees in pictures and images, it's more creative. We're moving into that alpha state. So now the door between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind opens up as we get beyond our analytical mind, and our analytical mind is actually what

separates the conscious mind from the subconscious mind. So as you slow your brain waves down and you get into alpha, you're entering the operating system. And that's where you can rewrite a new program. That's where you can rehearse a new script. That's where you can begin to plan your behaviors in an intentional way. If you can't change your brain waves, then it's like your computer running a mock with all of those programs and you yelling at it

telling it to stop. You're not in the operating system. Some people can get to the point where they're so relaxed that the body's in a light sleep, and yet they're conscious and awaken. Now they're in this Theata brain wave pattern and in Theta that's a hypnotic state. We're very suggestible to our thought, we're very suggestible to information in that state, and that state then is where we see the most change take place. And so the person

can literally change from the inside out. When they learn how to get into the operating system, you've.

snappy and rude and condescending. If I'm trying to be healthier in my diet, but I'm stressed out or burnt out, I'm going to reach for the sugary food or the cobs in the fat like that doesn't come from anything else but stress.

in survival. It's so important to name those emotions because anger and frustration and control and hatred and envy and jealousy and insecurity and unworthiness and guilt and shame and suffering and depression, those are all derived Those are emotions that are derived from the harmones of stress, and psychology

calls those normal states of consciousness. Those are altered states of consciousness because in stress, the physiology is that we're not out of homeostasis, we're not out of balance because we perceiving some threat, some danger, some emergency. And so the stronger the emotion you feel to whatever stress or there is in your life, the more you pay attention to it. And so in time, then you have to keep your attention on all the important elements in your life.

So you sit down to do a meditation, and when you're living in stress and you're living in survival, there's only three things that are important in that moment. Your attention is on your body because you've got to preserve it. Your attention is on something in your environment. And what's in your environment people, objects, things, places, and you're very

preoccupied with time. And when you're in stress and you're in survival, the brain goes onto a default mode and it's naturally trying to predict the next moment based on what it's learned in the past. And so as you always try to forecast the future based on your memory of the past, you can't be in the present moment, right So, and yet our model of change, what we discovered is that the only way a person can change

is when they get beyond their body. They get beyond all the elements of their environment, and they get beyond that predictable fusion and familiar past, and they sink into the present moment, which is the unknown. So if you can't do that because of the hormones of stress, most people will sit down and they'll say, oh, okay, I'm

gonna close my eyes. I'm going to start this process where I'm gonna rehearse how I'm going to be today, and they start thinking about their cell phone, they start thinking about all their emails, and they start thinking, I can't meditate. There's something wrong with me. It's my mother's fault, you know. And they actually believe that thought to be the truth. And then they get up and they they

actually reaffirm it, and they say, I can't meditate. Now. I can tell you that if you are willing to see that thought is just the thought in your brain and you're curious what's on the other side of that thought. Yeah, you're going to feel uncomfortable. But if you had some tools and skills to apply and you were able to take your attention off your cell phone and settle your body back down into the present moment, that would be a victory. And then your body would say, come on,

you gotta feel a little frustration now. You got to be impatient, you got to be judgmental. Come on, that's what you always think, that's how you always feel, and you, like an animal, you settle the body back down into the present moment, and you tell it it's no longer the mind, that you're the mind. That's a victory. Then the body says, hey, dude, you're super busy. You got a lot lot of things to do. You got a lot of people to see, you got a lot of places that go, you got a lot of things to do,

and you've been doing the same thing every day. Your body's going to want to get up and do something. You don't want to quit because your brain's telling you that you can't do this. If you had the awareness to settle the body back down into the present moment, you would be executing a will that's greater than the program, because most people lose their free will to those programs.

And it's that tedium in the beginning that is an uncompromising will where you keep training the animal to stay, to take all of its attention off the environment, to get beyond all the cravings, the feelings, the habits of the body, the drives of the body, and catch yourself defaulting to that predictable future, bringing your body back into the present moment, siphoning energy back, your attention into the

past based on those familiar emotions in the past. Discover that if you're willing to do that for just a few days, you could actually liberate an enormous amount of energy from your body. You go from particle to wave, from matter to energy, and you're literally transmuting those limited

emotions into elevated emotions. And something really beautiful happens. If you're willing to fire the crucible and sit through that long enough, all of these emotions, that energy moves right up into the heart and the person starts falling in love with life. They start feeling this state of gratitude, this gratefulness to be alive, this inefftable word of relaxed

and awake. And something really magical happens. When we've discovered this little simple thing, and that energy makes it through the heart, there's only one place it wants to go, and it goes straight to the brain. So the person starts relaxing into their heart when they feel this feeling, and the more they relax into the heart, the more their brain. All of a sudden starts becoming aroused, and they start going into these elevated gamma brainwave patterns. Now,

gamma is not unconscious. Gamma is actually super conscious. It's actually super aware. You're outside the program now. So when that occurs and the brain goes into gamma brainwave patterns, what we discovered is it's not a little gamma. It's not a lot of gamma. It's not a whole lot

of gamma. It's a super natural amount of gamma. And we start seeing these brain waves where we see FDA start carrying alpha, and alpha starts resonating with beta, and beta starts creating high beta, and high beta starts creating gamma. And you see these standing waves of brain coherence happening, and the person feels so amazing that they don't want the moment to end. And so we see when they put their attention on their heart, like filling a gas tank, we see on the gauge on the scan, this very

low frequency start rising in the heart. The energy that the heart uses to function actually goes up because they're placing their attention there. And where they place their attention is where they place their energy. Then you see the powasympathetic nervous system come up with it. That's the nervous system of relaxation. And then we see it kind of drop and we see the sympathetic nervous system starting to go up. And now, sympathetic regulation is an arousal, right,

but the arousal is in fear. The arousal isn't hatred or aggression. The arousal is in pain. That's the arousal created from survival. There's only one other arousal, and that's ecstasy. That's bliss, and the person all of a sudden feels connected to something greater. Now here's the beauty. We could see people do this in fifteen minutes. The most important takeaway around all of this is that feeling that they're

feeling is not coming from anywhere outside of them. No person's doing that, no wardrobe change is doing that, no sports cardonal football game, nothing is doing it to them. It's actually coming from within. That is the moment they stop looking for it outside of them and the love affair begins. And so when we start feeling these elevated emotions, these more selfless emotions, it's not like you have to try to forgive it. Actually is the side effect of

you changing your emotional state. You no longer want because you feel so whole, how could you want anything? So we started interviewing people when they have these moments, and they had such an incredible amount of love that they felt. We measure their tocin levels or love chemicals are very elevated. The amount of gamma in terms of coherence was two hundred three hundred, four hundred standard deviations outside of normal

in coherent gamma. Now three standard deviations outside of normal in gamma is about two percent of the population two hundred three hundred for four and a lot of energy in the brain. So the brain all of a sudden is receiving an enormous amount of energy. So we've discovered

relaxed in the heart and awaken the brain. And that process of transformation is your willingness to sit past that thought, pass that emotion, and keep training the animal and sooner or later you can recondition it to a new mind.

eighteen hundred people in measuring brain waves, their brain function before and after the event, measuring their gene expression before and after the event. We're measuring two and eighty two metabolites in their blood. We're measuring DNA expression, We're measuring urine, we're measuring saliva, we're measuring the energy of the room, We're measuring everything. And meditation in a sense that it's

not in the traditional way. What we do is we look at what really works, you know, we're actually looking to say, well, that's something that we can actually see it change in. So we teach meditation three ways to become familiar with your own self and to become familiar with your new self. That's what the word meditation means familiarization, to become familiar with so we use that model for change.

So slow your brain weighs down and get beyond your analytical mind is meditation, and you teach your body how to do that. And we've discovered a formula that simply makes it very easy for people to do it. You practice it, you'll get good at it, just like anything else you practice. So to get beyond the analytical mind, there's another way to reprogram ourselves. And then meditation is really about getting beyond your body, or disconnecting from your body,

disconnecting from your environment, and forgetting about time. And that is that eye of the needle where we begin to make the most significant changes. So we're data driven, you know, we're really looking to see what it is. And when we see brains respond in the same way, it helps me enormously to teach the material better. And so the more people understand what they're doing, and the more they understand why they're doing it, the more naturally the how

becomes easier, and nothing is left to conjecture. If nothing is left to superstition or dogma or even in spiritual you know, traditional words, New science says the contemporary language would demystify that process. And you give people numerous times to overcome themselves and numerous times to connect. Sooner or

later you'll start watching transformation right before your eyes. And so one of the cool things that we've discovered is that we have so much compelling data to suggest that you're greater than you think, more powerful than you no, more unlimited than you could ever dream. We have compelling data to suggest that your nervous system is the greatest pharmacist in the world, that it makes drugs that work

better than any drug in a drug store. A drug study is about eighteen to twenty five percent cause and effect causality. Our data is between seventy five in eighty five percent cause and effect. This is a person creating their own pharmacy of anti inflammatories, their own pharmacy of anti carcinogenic chemicals, their own pharmacy of pain relievers, who are seeing this over and over again. So we have this incredible data that says that this is no longer pseudoscience,

This is this is really science. The side effect of a person's transformation is has changed my belief in what's possible. I have seen people stand on the stage with stage four cancers that were in every single organ in their body that metastasized, and they have no sign of cancer

in their body. And we have data that suggests that you put the blood of an advanced meditator and a uterine cancer cell a pancreatic cancer cell, seventy percent of the mitochondrial function in the cancer cells diminished in the mitochondria is the energy packets of the cell. It's taking energy. The cancer cell works perfect with what we're seeing with the testimonials that people are telling around the world. We've seen blind people see We've seen deaf people here. We've

seen people with spinal cord injuries walk again. We've seen als change, We've seen all kinds of unbelievable health conditions change by a person simply changing the way they think, the way they act, and the way they feel.

inner experience. Right. The body is so objective that it's literally believing it's living in a new environment, and so that elevated emotion somehow tends to drag the body right out of the past into the present moment. So many people with everything from exhama to muscular dystrophe, when they have those events, there's a biological change that takes place in their body where they feel completely differently. Now, some

people heal all the way. Some people are out of their wheelchair and they're walking again, but they're limping, and it doesn't mean it's over. It just means they made contact where they hit gold, and so there's varying degrees that we see. We've seen people for seven years work on a terminal health condition to them seven years to heal that health condition. Some people it takes two years, three years. Some people they do it in three months.

There's no predictable menu that we can say it's this way. Now, when people have those more profoundly aroused states, it seems like their change is much more immediate and much more permanent.

But for the most part, we see people's response pretty dramatic. Now, it's also important to say that we have seen people heal from terminal cancers stop feeling those elevated emotions and return to responding to the circumstances and conditions in their life, and return back to the same personality, the same personality, as the same personal reality and their bodies believing it's living in that same environment and they're feeling the same way, and they're in the habit of acting the same way

and thinking the same way, and lo and behold, the condition returns. We've seen people heal themselves of Parkinson's disease more than once, have one response to some very serious event in their life that produced a very strong emotion, and in one hour their condition returned because they literally went back to the world it self. And we've seen that person turn around and reverse the condition again again. People do the best with what they think is available.

The person standing on the stage, who we've had numerous physicians and researchers stand on the stage, they're the four minute mile. They're telling the community. I'm the example of truth. This is no longer philosophy, this is no longer theory. Here's my scans. We had someone with bilateral breast cancer just recently. No evidence of cancer in our breasts or any lymph nodes, no longer in our liver. I'm looking

out at the audience and everybody's leaning in. There's the formut a mile, and that person's telling the truth, and they're telling a story, and it's not pretty. It's not always rosy. They went through a lot of dark nights, they went through a lot of their condition getting worse, but every day they had to show up for themselves. If they stopped showing up and doing the work, they

would really not believe it was possible. But if they showed up and did the work, it means that they believe it's possible, And I think when you believe in possibility, you got to believe in yourself, and you believe in yourself, you gotta believe in possibilities. So it used to be a few examples of that. Now we have so many great testimonials, so many great stories that now people it's becoming infectious, just like a virus or any bacteria becomes infectious.

Now health and wellness becomes as infectious as disease. A community of people starting to break through. When you start seeing these changes where people stand on the stage, invariably you're going to see a very strong shift in consciousness. And consciousness is awareness, and if you're unaware that you could actually heal yourself, you'll make the same choice once you see it. I think it starts creating a brushfire,

and that's really the exciting part. So we've seen so many great testimonials that are undeniably great stories of transformation, and many many of those people still no longer have their exsimus, still no longer have their Parkins', still no longer have their cancer.

or you have the perception that something's going to get worse. Okay, so you switch on that primitive nervous system, the fight or flight nervous system, and as you shift your attention from one person to another person, to another thing, to another place, to another problem, every one of those different elements has a neurological network in your brain. So the arousal of the hormones to say, pay attention, there's danger.

As you start shifting your attention to each one of these elements that have neurological networks in your brain, your brain starts firing very incoherently. And in fact, you could actually by thinking about your problems, turn on the stress response just by thought alone, and that's what most people do.

So now there you are, You're sitting in traffic the heart is pumping because it's trying to get blood to the extremities, because a primitive system switching on saying that there's a predator, there's danger, and the heart is beating against closed arteries, and the heart starts beating out of rhythm. It starts beating out of order, and it starts beating

very incoherently. So when you have incoherence in the brain and you have incoherence in the heart, when waves are incoherent, when they intersect with each other, they cancel each other out. And when they cancel each other out, that's less energy in the brain. There's less energy in the brain. You're going to default to some of those reflexive systems. If

energy is diminished in the heart. You're not going to trust, You're not going to be vulnerable, you're not going to want to commune, you're not going to want to connect, you're not going to want to feel grateful. It's not a time to feel any of those things. It's time to run, fight, and hide. Okay, So most people say, okay, well, I had a stressful day. I was stressed out the entire day, and at the end of the day they

turn on the TV and they relax. The important thing to realize is that if you're relying on something outside of you to change that emotional state, you'll become dependent on it. So is it possible then to begin to create more coherence in the brain. And the answer is yes, because when you're under the gun of those chemicals of survival, you're narrowing your focus on the cost. You hear something moving in the bushes, you freeze and you narrow your focus.

And it's that narrowing focus that tends to be obsessive. When we're in stress. We overthink things, we overanalyze that actually we've discovered makes the brain worse and it actually makes the heart regulate more out of order. So then we said, Okay, if the brain is narrowing its focus and it's becoming over attentive, what if we teach it

how to do something else. What if we teach it how to broaden its focus and instead of focusing on something material or something known, just open up and focus on nothing. And the act of broadening the focus actually cause a person to stop thinking and doing and start sensing and feeling is actually what starts to slow their

brain waves down. The redundancy of shifting your attention from one person to another person, to another problem, to another thing causes the brain to fire like a lightning storm and the clouds very incoherently. So as you start to open your awareness, and since nothing seen this thousands of times, those different networks that are firing out of order start to synchronize, and what sinks in the brain links in the brain, and the brain becomes more orderly. It starts

to become more coherent. If you could learn how to rest your attention in your heart, and where you place your attention is where you place your energy. Regulate your breath, start slowing your breathing down. Even if you did it for one minute, you could actually begin to change your brain waves and you could actually cause your heart to

start functioning more regulation and more order. If you said, Okay, I'm gonna work with my body and I'm gonna start breathing, and I'm gonna start feeling emotions that I do want to feel. Yes, it may take you a few minutes to get there, but if you keep practicing it over and over again, the heart starts producing a very profound signal. It starts to produce an external magnetic field. It's measurable.

So now you have a coherent brain, which means you can get very intentional, and you have a coherent heart, which means you can feel the emotions of your future before it happens. Somehow. You have this broadcasting of this Wi Fi signal, And the brain tends to be electrical in nature, so it sends out an electrical charge into the field. The heart is the magnetic charge. It's what

draws things to us. It's the magnetic field. And now you actually by changing the way you think and the way you feel, you're changing the signal in the field. Then if you're able to maintain that state for an extended period of time, I say, something magical is going to happen in your life, something unusual, someone known experience is going to occur. If you keep thinking the same way and feeling the same way, your life should stay the same. So we do one minute practices, we do

five minute practices, we do thirty minute practices. We want to get so good at doing it with our eyes closed that we can do it with our eyes open.

I'm able to come back to that sense of balance, and then I'm able to actually approach the issue at hand with more clarity, with more connectedness and a feeling of confidence. But when someone else who may not have had that experience yet or may not be trained in that, they're just thinking, well, how do I solve the problem? Right?

They're listening to me, and you're going, well, but I can't because I just I need to solve this problem, like you're saying, like I'm going to be thirty minutes late for a job interview, or i just had an argument with my partner this morning, and I've got a big presentation this morning as well at work. Now I'm stressed about it because I'm thinking about that, Or my kid just got yeah, I had to rush into the

hospital and now I'm late. Like I guess, when you're looking at it from a very human point of view, it's really hard to understand the value in this. What do you say to anyone who's thinking and feeling that way.

works in our favor, and that's the emergency system. But you got to also realize that you only have a certain amount of energy, and if you're living in emergency mode for an extended period of time, there's no energy for growth repair, there's no energy for long term building projects. And so when it's needed and you have to outrun the predator, you go. You don't sit and try to make friends with the predator. We're not that good. You run, right.

The problem is if you keep that alarm system switched on all the time, it gets very addictive. It gets very addictive, right, And so I have looked at people's brain scans and watch their brain get worse in the early days and tap them on the head and say, what were you doing in there? One hundred percent of the time they were analyzing the problems in their life

within that disturbing emotion. And if an emotion is a record of the past and they can't think greater than how they feel they're thinking in the past, there's no solution there across the river. Get beyond the emotion and you'll see possibility because you're no longer in the box of that emotional state. Now, that's so much easier said than done, because you're going against thousands of years of programming of living in survival. I mean, two hundred years ago,

it wasn't easy to being human. I mean, we're in survival all the time and famine, you know, every disease, I mean it it was hard to be human. And so we have to lay down the very thing we used our whole life to get what we want for something greater to occur. And it goes against thousands of years of programming. It's not something that you get good at doing once you got to keep practicing. So so

you really have two ways to look at it. If you're if you're living in stress and you're living in survival, and that system is switched on, then everything will be a threat. Everything will be a danger, everything will be a reason to rush, to be impatient, to be frustrated, to be judgmental, because that's the consciousness, that's the emotion we're living by. So now you have a problem with a coworker, you have a problem with your partner, whatever it is that you used as an example, and you

have to give a presentation. Now you really have one of two. Either be victimized by those conditions in your life and you stay in that emotional state. And I'll say to you, Jay, worry that way while I'm this way because of this person, the circumstances that person, or circumstances controlling the way I feel and the way I think. Anything that controls the way I feel and the way I think I'm victim to, right, Okay, Or I actually can be a creator now, Okay. So when it's the

hardest that matters the most. Okay. So there's going to be a story, a valid story that's going to go along with those emotions that you're going to have to give up that you can address at another time from a different state. If you're altered in that state, and you say something, you do something, you write, the email, you send the text, You'll always regret it. You'll always say I should have never said that, I should have never done that. We've got to learn that we're in

an altered state at that time. So it's only one of two choices. You either stay there the whole day and tell everybody that story, or you say, okay, let me take a moment. Remember that this is the experiment call life. Okay, let me practice getting relaxed in my hearty, slow the animal down, let me practice. I'll take a few minutes now, let me breathe, me get my state back, let me change everything. Okay, let me remember who I am, who I want to be when I open my eyes,

and let me practice that again. Now, even if you had to do that ten times in one day, I would say it was a day worth living. I would say it was a day worth living. And when we do walking meditations in our retreats, we're doing walking meditations, so you can practice doing it with your eyes open, like if you're gonna be relaxed in your heart and awaken your brain, and you can do it with your eyes close. Okay, Let's take it out for a test drive. Let me open my eyes, let me pay a little

bit more attention to my inner world. Let me practice feeling this feeling. Let me practice feeling this way, and let me brain do what it does. Let me get to finally change my physiology. Let me change my state. Let me walk as the healed personally, walk as the abundant person. Let me walk as if my prayers are answering me walk in the state. If I keep practicing that over and over, it's going to become a habit. Right, So we hit it as many ways as we can.

We have at least seven or eight different breaths that we do because we see how they all work in the brain. We have all kinds of meditations. We have sitting meditations, we have standing and walking meditations. You're laying down meditations, but we want you to be able to do it with your eyes open, with your eyes go, standing, walking, anyway you can so that you don't default and return back to that person. Now, if you do default, you

didn't fail. That's a program. You just went unconscious. And how many times do we have to forget until we stop forgetting and start remembering that's the moment of change. No one cares how many times you fell off the bicycle if you ride the bicycle. Now you ride the bike. So it's the constant process every single day. And I think that sometimes we look for evidence in our life and it hasn't happened. And I think it's so important that we still show up because that's where you're changing

the most. And when you get to that point where you could care less if it happens or not because you feel so happy, so grateful for who you are, get ready because your life is going to begin to change in magical ways. I'm so proud of our community, not because they do the work every day, not because they're trying to be good or please anybody. They do because they don't want the magic to really end. I

know the experiment is too good. Is they don't, They're going to continue to be a creator in their life. So then when they change the way they feel and the way they think and they start seeing evidence in their life, they're going to remember what they did inside of them to produce that outcome, and they're going to believe their creator of their life, unless of the victim of their life and that's empowerment, and you can't take that away from anybody. You can't tell me now you're

too sick to do that. You can't tell me you're too old to do that. You can't tell me you had a horrible past, you're too out of shape. You can't even tell me that you never meditated before. Because people that come they know nothing, They get dragged by somebody and they have the most profound experience because they're not expecting anything. And we have data suggests that when you don't expect anything, you're going to have a profound moment.

So everybody can do it. There's nobody that's so special to be excluded from this process. And we have had people that have had brutal pasts with abuse, with trauma. We've seen the Navy seals and prisoners with horrible, horrible memories literally transformed, literally transform in seven days. And I could say right now that you make the time every single day to decide who you're going to present to

the world, and you get up as that person. You're going to fall a lot of times, but sooner or later, once you start to change, it's pretty hard to go back.

and it's what you're saying that it's an experiment. If we keep trying the same thing, we get the same result. But the point that I love that you brought up to that answer was the idea that sometimes you do need to be an emergency, but don't make emergency a habit exactly. And I think that's where most of us veer off on the wrong path. I was asked recently, anyone who knows me today knows that I'm a hard working, productive, high performance type of individual. I live a very scheduled

life and a disciplined life. And the biggest question I get around the holidays is Jay, are you able to switch off? And I always go back and give the credit to my monk training and say I switch off immediately as soon as I'm on the flight home. I remember before Christmas, I was getting on a flight home back to London, and I was off the moment I stepped onto the flight, and it was because it's not because I'm special or because I'm unique or I have superpowers.

It's because I've simply done what you said where it's I've trained myself to always be present. And so if I'm really present in my work like I am with you now, then when I'm on the plane, I'm just present and I know that it's time to switch off. And so I think the idea that our presence bleeds and our lack of presence bleeds. And it's not that you can selectively be in emergency here and not in emergency here. The state you're feeding is going to spread

across your whole life. Like I know a lot of people who are high performance, and I've had to be mindful of this as well. It's like their high performance at work, but then they take that high performance and they give it to their family, and now their family is getting a high performance dad, and they don't want that. They just want their dad or they want their mom. And so how do we develop that. I guess that's

a highly trained ability. Is what you're saying is we get the ability then to say, Okay, I know when to use this and when not to. That's a more heightened stay.

to stay there. Here's an example. Many people who are changing a health condition in our work, they start to do the work. They start noticing, I'm sleeping better, I have less pain, I got my appetite back, I feel like I have more energy. They start noticing these subtle subjective changes that go to their doctor and their scans still show that they have their health conditions. So they're noticing a change, but they're not healed all the way. Now,

they don't say it didn't work. They say, what is it about me that I still have to change in order to heal? What thought? What behavior? What emotions? So they're work in progress, right. Many of those people discover that they have one really good hour of meditation where they feel connected, they feel like their heart is opening up, they feel like their brain is coherent, they feel really great.

They don't want the moment to end. And then they spend fifteen or sixteen hours of their day back in a program, rushing around, back in their emotional states, responding and reacting, and they realize that how could one hour of an elevated state weigh against fifteen or sixteen hours of my response to everyone and everything in my life emotionally is derived from those familiar emotions of fear or

anger or hatred or pain or suffering whatever. Okay, So now this is where the practicum actually goes to the next level because they're no longer just sit down and rehearsing who they want to be. They're actually rehearsing for their life. They're saying, Okay, when I see that person, when I'm in that circumstance, I can't go unconscious and feel this emotion, and I can't go unconscious and say, these things are act this way, how am I going

to act? What would love do? What would greatness look like? They don't know. They read about it, They get more information and they're building this model, and now all of a sudden, their response to people, to circumstances, the problems in their life are changing. Now that's because they're changing. Then they notice that their health condition starts to improve a little bit more. Now now they don't say, how come my Alzheimer's or my Barkinson's or my als has healed.

They're saying, how much more can I open my heart in my day and feel this with my eyes open all day long? If I understand that if I live by these emotions, I'm signaling jeans ahead of the environment. Well, I'm going to stay in this state because it's this emotional state that is actually going to heal me. So I remember this feeling, I remember this feeling. I remember

this feeling. And now they're no longer trying to remember the feeling just for any other reason, but because I want to remember the feeling when with their eyes open. Now it's their understanding that the more that they change, the more that their health changes, and you can have the best diet, and you could do the best exercise, and you could be really rigid in the food choices and vitamins and minerals and keep your body chemically balanced

and physically balanced. But if you're not emotionally balanced, and you're constantly in that fight or flight system, stress is when your body's knocked out of homeostasis. The stress is when your brain and body are knocked out of balance.

So you could have all those things working for you, but if you are living in fear, or you're controlling, and you're rigid, and you're perfectionist and your heart on yourself, it's going to make sense that that is going to have to change in order for you to change, right, And so people start getting they start getting it. That's the only way I'm going to change. If I don't change, it's not going to change.

up from science, whatever it may be. Of what did I want to be able to say to myself when this thought or that thought came up? And it sounds so basic, but it really does rewire your thoughts when now all I can think of is that script.

this is a never ending process of self discovery. I mean there's always challenges that you'll have in your life that are going to initiate you into becoming conscious of what you're unconscious to. And you've got to meet those challenges from a greater level of consciousness than the consciousness that's created. And you can't. If you don't, your response and the way you feel and the way you think being the same. And if you believe that how you

think and how you feel creates your life. If you don't change the way you think and the way you feel, your life's going to stay the same because you're the same. I mean, that's the way it works. So fundamentally, it's so important for people to understand that it is actually possible to change. It really is possible.

So it's really an exciting time and I'm so happy to see that people are wrapping their minds around all of this and doing it, you know, doing it for themselves.

we're pulling that energy back up into the brain. If you practice this breath repeatedly, there will be a release of energy into the brain. We have the data to show that you're going to have a lot more energy in your brain, You're going to be way more coherent in your brain, and you're going to be more conscious right, And so why is that important? Why Because when you regulate your brain waves, we don't want you to fall asleep. We want you to actually be really relaxed and awake

at the same time. So we do this one breath called pulling the mind out of the body. That's the Inspire series, where we're taking all that creative energy and we're with the breath pulling that energy right up to a specific area of the brain. When you do that properly, your brain will go into an altered state. That's the reason why we do it. Then we do all kinds of other breathing, like breathing to change the heart rhythm.

Sometimes when we're doing a laying down breath, when we're practicing getting into that mystical state, just when the audience is just starting to move into a slower brainwave state, we'll do a very forced inhalation, exhalation, inhalation, over and over again, like a hiker's breath, only so that the person feels euphoric and so euphoric that they don't want to fall asleep, and they'll move into a slower brainwave pattern and the door between the conscious mind and the

subconscious mind opens, and many times there's a mystical experience waiting for that person that's transcendental. So we do all kinds of different breathing techniques because we have different intentions behind each one of them.

seven days and some mornings a little earlier. But you got a lot of practice, you got a lot of tools, so by the time you leave, you you can use them in your life.

very sophisticated machine. And if you run for thirty minutes, you're going to see in time an equal number of ones or zeros or heads or tails, and you're going to see the straight line. And you get a group of people together with brain coherence and hard coherence, they're

emitting a field. And when we do healings in our events one hundred percent of the time when we do those healings, those random event generators have dramatic skews to show that random events become less random and more intentional. And it's collective networks of observers that determine reality. And it's not the number of people. It's not the amount of energy because it could be entropic. It's the most coherent energy and causing a machine that's programmed to behave

in a very very different way. And I think that idea of community of people coming together when everybody else is in fear, to show courage, when everybody else is in pain, to show compassion when everybody else is in anger or hatred, to show love. I mean, I think by nature as human beings, I think we are wired to give, to connect, to commune, to take care of one another, to heal one another, to shine for one another. And our data is so exciting to actually support that theorem.

or couples or partners or whoever you may be. You know, when you're sleeping together, when you're waking up together at the same time, when you're sitting for meals together, when you know we've realized and we know that the science shows that your heart rates sync up like your heartbeats sync up when you're with someone. And I think it's really interesting because I think today and i individualistic world, there's a big desire to do things at our own

time when we want how we want. But if you're truly trying to build a relationship with someone else, will build community. There's so much to be said for doing these basic practices at the same time together. Right.

the world. I mean, when you're working on yourself and I'm working on myself and I'm okay with me, and you're okay with you. We were going to be okay with everybody you know, and I think when we're not okay with ourselves, that's when it gets complicated.

know what you'll be practicing. I hope that there's parts of this conversation that you'll listen to again and again and again, because you have to realize that the first time you hear it, there may be some inspiration, there may be some insight, but the second time that repetition is going to help you actually apply, rewire, and reconfigure. So make sure you repeat, listen, and make sure you share this with a friend as well, so you can discuss it, talk about it, put it into your own

language and your vocabulary. That's such an important part of putting this into practice as well. Joe az Eva, thank you so much for making the time and effort, and know that you've always got unpredictable things happening in your life like this morning, but you chose to be here. And thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate it.