Oh hey, it's your friend's new boyfriend who makes really good onion dip ali Ward. Come along with me if
you will to Anaheim, California, to little place called wonder Con. Now, if you have heard of the annual Comic Con convention in San Diego, wonder Con is kind of like its younger, scrappier little sister, and it takes over Anaheim for a few days every spring, with like tens of thousands of people in this big convention center full of booths and comic book art and film stalls and collectibles and artists
like making and signing work. Also adults and capes. Join me, all right, we're in front of the fountain at wonder Con. So far, we've seen a Loki. I've seen a Westworld lady. Oh, there's a one own a writer from Beetlejuice costume in the red the wedding outfit. Oh, with a Beetlejuice accompaniment. We've got a lot of Pokemons. We've got some Star Trek outfits, plenty of those. That's a Captain America, but he's in Mexico.
Oh I love that.
Check that out. That guy's Captain Mexico.
He's my favorite one so far. I love the Captain Mexico.
It's like Halloween, but it's in March, and no one's dressed like a hot dog. Everyone's specific and I like that.
I loved it. Now.
Another perk was that I was there to moderate a panel with a dear, dear friend see Andrew Hall or Andy Hall, who you may remember from an episode we did in twenty twenty one about his environmental nonprofit. He founded it. It's called Functional Magic, and it commissions these really incredible artists to create gig poster style artwork that's collectible.
And because of that episode we did and y'all ologies listeners, that first print run he did in twenty twenty one sold out and Functional Magic was able to donate twenty five thousand dollars to the Coalition for Rainforest Nations. And just as I note, Functional Magic was then known as the draw Down Design Project, but has since been renamed and Andy says that Functional Magic is dedicated to spreading this unapologetic hope about our shared future via pop art
that they put out into the world. So we'll link that original episode in the show notes because it's a great look at climate solutions and staying proactive with optimism. So Andy organized a panel at wonder Con about activist poster art and I was more than game to help. I was like the time the place I'm there. Also on the panel was some named Carol Wells, and she is the founder and executive director of the Center for
the Study of Political Graphics, which is amazing. It's this archive in Los Angeles that collects and preserves and documents and exhibits posters relating to these movements of social change. How many posters they got, They got over ninety thousand posters. So if you have ever had a message you wanted to get across to strangers or a passion that you wanted to scream from the rooftops, but you know that art goes farther, this episode is for you, so free admission.
Let's get an update on Functional Magic's work, which involves a launch this week of a T shirt line that is gorgeous. And let's soak up the decades of history of activism art with Andy and Carroll. As we cover some history of protest art, different approaches graphically, who it speaks to camouflage among ads? Where does street art go to be archived? Propaganda, the tiniest, mightiest posters, collectible gig posters for the climate, and how the anti war movement
galvanized so many artists. Also short warning, we do discuss a few images of war photojournalism in this episode, So get in. We're going postering with this field trip to wonder con, activism and art. Welcome to the best panel
all weekend. I'm so excited to be here. My name is Ali Ward, and I host a podcast called Ologies, and I always loved to start off by finding out where your passion comes from, So I would love to know, Carol, where did you first get a spark for political posters and activism.
Well, actually, I've always been passionate about art, and then high school civil rights movement, I became passionate about social justice, Vietnam War, etc.
Etc.
I became an art historian, but I taught about the art of the rich and powerful by day, and I protested the institutions of the rich and powerful on the street so on weekends. I really like her, but they weren't connected until I was hired to collect posters of the New Revolution in Nicaragua in nineteen eighty one by a professor at Ucla who collected posters for years.
So very very brief sidebout here. So the Nicaraguan Revolution started in late nineteen seventies with an uprising against this family dynasty dictatorship and then and the rise of the socialist leaning Sandinista National Liberation Front and then the subsequent opposition to them by the contrast, which was a right wing militia.
So Carol at the time was working to collect that activist art on behalf of a professor.
And a poster changed my life.
And I wasn't interested in the political poster before, and in that moment I literally had an epiphany and became addicted to political posters.
Where was it?
Were you standing on the street? Was it in a train station? Was it in a newspaper?
We were living with a family and we went to the women's movement and they were having a big demonstration and had a fresh delivery of posters for most Women's March, and I gave one to the family we were living with, and she put it on her living room wall, and she was like the local healthcare person. And one neighbor comes in with her eight year old son, nine year old son, and the two women go off.
I'm alone in the living with the son. He's uninterested in me, but he's looking around the room.
He'd never been there before. The poster all of a sudden grabshi and he walks over to it. And I watched him mouth the words on the post, which in English would say in constructing the New Country, we are becoming the new woman. And I watched them trying to figure out. I'm sure you never figured it out, but that was the moment of my epiphany. That was the
moment I realized that's how posters work. You're gone about your daily life and something breaks through the bubble that we all have around to get through the day, and it makes you ask a question. Whenever you ask a question, you're not the same person you were before you asked the question. I dropped my dissertation, which was three quarters the way through my medieval architecture. My life totally changed.
So this poster with very simple line art and just a few basic colors. This kelly green background, the tanned brown of a South American woman's skin, and she's holding a basket full of red coffee berries. This art was made by a feminist organization which arose as part of the Santanonistas, and Carol seeing that little boy reading it
and absorbing it made her realize the power of grassroots artwork. Okay, we know posters work, we know that they capture O eye tension, we see them, But in your opinion, how do they work?
Why do they work? Well? They make us look at the world in a different way.
And as far as quantifying it, I mean, think out how many millions of dollars will spent on advertising, and then many ways a poster or anti advertisement their counter advertisement. But they work in the same way, and we were surrounded by image overload. The trick is not just knowing that images work, but finding an image that will break through all the other images and attract your attention.
Just real quick, how valuable is marketing? Exactly? What's the street value of a message?
Well?
How much is spent globally on advertising every year? I wonder this. Companies spend an average of twelve percent of their revenue back into marketing and according to this one big data aggregator, nine hundred and seventeen billion dollars went into advertising globally last year, and the US spent the most, more than the next six biggest spenders combined, and we know from social media are eyeballs and attention is worth a shitload of money. But why make art that is
selling a concept or a movement? Are you reinforcing what someone already thinks, are you completely changing how they feel or think about something, or are you polarizing them another direction? Where do you think activism and art take our brains?
It's all of the above.
The people who agree with you need to know that they're not alone. Then you have to also reaches out to the people who have made their mind up. They are only getting one perspective, so it makes them sing, oh, there's more than one way of looking at it.
And then there's.
The folks that are not going to agree with whatever you say, no matter how you say it. But every once in a while you do reach someone and they start questioning what they never questioned.
What are historically some of the posters that have changed the world or that were really big in movements.
Well, I actually did an article on five posters that change the world.
Well, there you go, so.
And the first one is actually very graphic. So I just want to warn everybody it's a lot of dead bodies. It was during the Vietnam War. I'm probably one of the oldest people in this room, but during dinner, the war was shown every night on the six o'clock news.
Two Americans were listed as dead. One was a machine gunner and the second his company commander who took over the machine gun from his fallen comrade and was killed himself. Thirteen Gis were wounded. Four enemy soldiers were counted among the casualties.
So everybody was eating their dinner while we would see these stories literally seeing pictures of war, of murder, of death and dying, and this particular massacre done by US troops over five hundred women and children, mainly a few
old elderly men. No guns were found. Over a year later, Seymour Hirsch, who's an independent journalist who still breaking news, he uncovered it and the photograph, you know, New York Times, Life magazine, they all showed this photo and Mike Wallace on sixty Minutes interviewed one of the soldiers and he asked the soldier and babies, and the soldier answered, and babies.
Men, women and children, men, women and child and babies and babies.
Why did you do it?
Why did I do it?
Because I felt like I was ordered to do it.
Well at the time, I felt like I was doing the right thing what I did.
You're married, all right?
Children?
How can a father of two young children shoot babies?
I don't know what's just for now things.
This legendary color photo was taken at the scene by Army photographer Ron Haileburrow, and it shows this rural dirt path through and otherwise green grassland. And in this dirt road are a pile of over twenty victims of this
Meli massacre, including many children. And the photo showed the actual, real horrors of the war, imagery that news outlets may have shielded from viewers, kind of like the deluge of images you may have seen daily on social media of gods and families and children killed in the last year and a half in Palestine. I know my algorithm was showing them to me all the time. And for more on that, you can see our Genocideology episode with doctor
Dirk Moses. But yes, back to Vietnam and babies. A group of New.
York artists, activists from the Artworkers Coalition took the image and superimposed the words and babies and babies.
And the Artworker's coalition have made fifty thousand copies of this and it kept it alive. The photo itself made headlines, but if it bleeds, it leads in the next week there's another photo. But the poster carried in all these demonstrations kept it before the public, and the majority of people believed the lies that the US government was saying until this photo. They did not want their tax money doing this. That plus the grassroots organizing, and you don't
have just the picture without the organizing. So all of these thousands of people who were demonstrating and protesting and students who are going on strike, we use this picture and others and basically that's what started to change the public sentiment about the.
War during that period, the sixties and the seventies. Did you find that a lot of the art and activism was anti war?
Oh?
Yes, so at the time. In addition to civilians, many military veterans, especially since there was a draft, were also part of this anti war movement. And Carol says that there's no right or wrong approach. Not all activism is poster sized and depicts grim realities. And then she advances a slide here which is a simple, almost crude kind
of crayon looking art. It's got a bright yellow background with a thick black line art drawing of a sunflower and handwritten lettering that reads war is not healthy for
children and other living things. And it's called Primer. It's by artist Lamrain Schneider, and it debuted in its original form as a miniature painting just two inches by two inches for an art show in nineteen sixty five, and it became so wide spread and iconic and image that Schneider donated all the rights to the image to the anti war nonprofit Another Mother for Peace, and it raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for the anti war effort. I know this one, in particular is meaningful to you.
You're wearing a necklace with this art engraved on it, so you carry this with you around your neck. Can you describe why this poster meant so much to you, why it's left such an eu.
It's interesting. At the time, it was everywhere.
It was probably the most widely reproduced poster during the Vietnam War done by Another Mother for Peace, and it was used basically to fund workshops in high schools against ROTC and against enlisting, so that was really using it to help organize.
Originally it was two by three inch. Oh that's tiny, that's like tiny, And.
It was submitted to a contest and lost, and she made cards out of it, and another Mother for Peace saw and asked if they could use it as their logo, and the rest is history, and so they will it up into that size poster, made medallions, stickers, bumper stickers, patches. I mean, the pendant that I'm wearing is the same shape and approximate size as a dog tag, so the gis would wear it with their dog tags. It became
a very powerful statement. And then the organization gave the Center for the Study of Political Graphics permission to reproduce it during the Iraq War and a friend of mine kept coming in and buying them. I said, wow, you're just really giving them out. She says, no, I have one in my front yard and it keeps getting destroyed.
Wow.
And I had never thought that that poster could piss people off, because you know who's going to object to wars not healthy to children and other living things.
Is it important to have icons or archetypes or imagery that's familiar to someone like with comic book art.
You know, we're at wonder con here.
What is the role of comics and the style of comics in political and social activism?
Right?
Well, I think what you said about the familiarity is a key point. Unlike a corporate ad, which has usually a huge budget and a lot of time to come up with what they think is an effective ad, political poster artists generally act really quickly. George Floyd, for example, that poster gets made immediately immediately because it's demonstrations the next day. And in case like George Floyd, you'd have a portrait. But in other cases it's really helpful to
have something that looks familiar but not quite. So you'll see comic strip characters, you'll see advertisement, you'll see fine art incorporated in so it looks like a commercial, and then all of a sudden.
Wait a minute, that doesn't look like a commercial.
Carol advances aside to show these early two thousands ads for Apple's then brand new device called an iPod, and these ads always featured a brightly single colored background, maybe in a golden rod yellow or a royal blue or a magenta, and a black silhouette of someone hot dancing while holding their innovative small little white box of an iPod with their iconic white ear buds on the cord. Who remembers this right, Yeah, before anyone had iPods, it
was like that. That was the life everyone wanted to live.
And the ad hasn't been used in over a decade. It's the same journalist that I mentioned, Simo Hirsch, also uncovered the torture in Abu Gray Prison in Iraq, which was run by the US military. Again, not supposed to happen, and US isn't supposed to do that. Other people are tortures, we are not, but this obviously put.
Lied to that. And there were many, many, many photographs.
And around the same time, and this was early in the Iraq War, the US Army and the CIA committed violations of human rights laws against those detained at Abu Gray Prison. Now, there was this one leaked image which you may or may not remember. It was a photo of a prisoner in a dark blanket like poncho and a pointed hood and he's balancing on a box. Both arms are outstretched to the side and you can see
electric shocking wires dangling from his arms. And this photo was nicknamed the hooded man and with just a few graphic design tweaks, maybe blurw your eyes a little, and that image was this really eerie echo to the glossy consumerism literally plastered all over the world at that time.
That photo became very iconic, I think because of its religious connection. And so there was an artist on the East coast, both of these pseudonyms. There was an artist on the East Coast and the one in la There were two guys. They called themselves Folkscheo Graphics, also a pseudonym, because they were afraid to be sued by Apple. I kept telling them, no, no, no, you won't be sued because it's fair use, and it's a political poster.
It's free speech.
Oh, you're not trying to sell an imitation of an iPod AD. You're not trying to sell anything at all. You're just using it to grab attention. So they both hit the streets almost at the same time.
If you hadn't been born yet, this was in two thousand and four.
And what they did they incorporated the ad into the real ad. They incorporated the protest poster into the real ad. So when you're walking by, all of a sudden you see something familiar in the iPod ad, But what the torture image of the hooded man with the wires coming from us? It's like culture jamming. But once you get it in your head, once you see that, you can never see the real ad again without doing a double take. Is it the real one or is it the political one?
So it's absolutely one of the most brilliant political poster interjections into popular culture that I've seen.
So activism art can be tiny. It can be thrust overhead in a crowd, it can be wheat pasted on city streets, or it can hang up as collectibles. And again our twenty twenty one episode with nonprofit environmental art organization Functional Magic founder and creative director c Andrew Hall aka Andy, he shared that his aim is to use beautiful artwork of climate solutions to inspire people in their own daily environments, and he piped up to ask Carol, I have a question that.
We could disagree about the details, but broad strokes, whether you're a public in or Democrat, there is very little appetite in the American public for boots on the ground American soldiers and other countries anymore. Do you at all think that a lot of that activism was successful. Do you take any pride in that? Do you see any movement since when you started this work.
Pride is not a word that I use.
I think because of what we did, the movement did, they got smarter.
The warmongers got smarter.
So when Bush starts the Iraq War, no cameras allowed, No journalists were allowed.
When the body bags came home.
Oh, that doesn't seem suspicious at all.
They were not allowed. So they've learned, and so we've had to become more creative. Also, I don't know who said it's the old slogan, but first they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. So we're in the ridicule fight stage. We've been there for quite a while.
That quote is first they ignore you, then they ridicule you, and then they attack you and want to burn you, and then they build monuments to you. It's not from Gandhi, as many people attribute it to him, but it rather is from a nineteen eighteen speech by a union activist named Nicholas Klein. Klein such a g he was orphaned. He grew up to become an attorney and a labor activist. He even wrote for a paper called The Hobo News.
I was like, what's that demographic hobos? Real hobos And apparently it legitimized the identities of unhoused and itinerant workers. And it also started the modern street newspaper movement. So change needs people, and people are in public and the public space needs a street team, no matter what the cause. In a timely, last minute edition, this episode is coming out on March first, but in a few days, just
a few days. On March third, twenty twenty five, your favorite mythologist, doctor Sarah mac Doctor Sarah McNulty, a squid scientist who was also in the Modern Toygo Graphology episodes on murals and street art that we put out in October, is running a free beginner's guide, a zoom to making street art in its open this Monday, March third. It's at eight pm Eastern Time, it's at five pm Pacific
in the US. And on this zoom she's going to cover everything that a brand new street artist needs to know about getting important messages in front of people in the public space. And you can RSVP at the link in the show notes. Again, March third, Free zoom pass it on to everyone. You know, Sarah's the best.
One of the important things about the Center for the set of political graphics. It's not just that we have collected all these posts to show how many struggles have been going on for so long. I mean, the immigration struggle have been going on forever, the ecollegey's struggle has been going on forever, Women's rights have been going on forever. We do exhibitions and they show how long people have been fighting the same fight.
Pride festivals have existed for over fifty years, arising from the anniversary celebrations of New York City Stonewall riots and then blossoming into this full spectrum celebration of rainbow solidarity.
And sometimes we win, and sometimes we lose, and sometimes one step forward and two steps back the other thing, and that it does the posters document the victors that we've had. And that's one thing that the corporate media does not want us to know. They don't want us to know that people have power. You know, people have the power as in the Patti Smith soob.
And so.
I think that's one of the things that the posters actually tell, the stories that we don't learn in school and they don't really want us to know.
And with recent huge cuts in US federal administrations like park Services and even epidemiologists at the CDC anything remotely related to equity or diversity, and climate scientists at NOAH, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association, How does the word get out? Art can be one avenue, as evidenced in the Center for the Study of Political Graphics catalog of ninety thousand plus posters. Talk to me a little bit
about when we started to see environmental activism art. Is that something that's only been you know, like since the ozone layer started to get fucked or was that like way before that.
We've got posters from the state sixties that are already talking about the environmental movement. So there's been an ecology movement at least you can date it till the nineteen seventies, and it has a stop. I don't think it got the attention that it has now because the existential aspect of it is like in our.
Face and now, Andy, I feel like there is also a culture of gig posters as fine art and as these limited edition collectibles, and what you have managed to do is take activism and take art and turn it into something that you want to put on your wall that is collectible. When you were coming up with the styles and the things that you wanted to convey, how did you narrow it down? Because there's so many ways you could have gone with this, And we'll hear that
answer in just one minute. But let's put some money where our mouths are and we'll make a donation to two organizations this week. They should not surprise you. One is the Center for the Study of Political Graphics. And since we recorded this, the world has gotten even more bizarre.
Carol sentism just yesterday saying the intense changes that we've witnessed in the world since this interview took place, especially the rapid dismantling of rights generations have fought for, show that the work of the Center for the Study of Political Graphics is more important than ever. And by collecting and exhibiting the graphics of past struggles and how people organized and often won, cspg's posters tell the stories and
histories that are currently being censored, hidden and denied. So we are proud to donate to them and their work. And Carol adds that if you have or make human rights or protest posters about any issue, or would like to display one of their poster exhibitions, please contact CSPG
at politicographics dot org. And we're also making a donation two Functional Magic dot org to keep up the amazing work commissioning art that inspires people to seek and fight for climate solutions, including a kickstarter which is linked in the show notes that's dropping the same day this episode is coming out, featuring some gorgeous art for a T shirt and you can be a walking billboard for change.
More about Andy's work in a sect but thank you to sponsors of the show for making those donations possible. So yes, a quick reminder, after Andy's first episode in twenty twenty one, y'all sold out his collectible climate solutions posters depicting electrical power, regenerative agriculture, empowering girls and women, and engaging with government, and you helped Andy again raise twenty five thousand dollars for the Coalition for Rainforest Nations.
And then since that episode, Functional Magic has made four new prints and one is encouraging voting with a stunning hand printed letter based work by Amos Kennedy Paul Junior. Another by Violetta Hernandez celebrates plant based diets, cashpar windguards, kind of trippy critter filled piece encourages wildland protections. And there's a vintage comic style nod to electrifying vehicles by Rafa Orico Diaz. And all of these are available at
functionalmatch dot org. And the kickstarter launch of the t shirt art features the work of Kaya Solder, a sub California based illustrator and designer and poster artist whose clients have included Phish and Primus and Teton Gravity Research. And Kaya told me she hopes that her artwork will inspire people toward joyful activism and collaboration to make our communities
and by extension, are world a better place. So Functional Magic's kickstarter of her work launches literally today, and this is the organization's first foray into that T shirt medium. But let's ask Andy how he approaches his organization's activism art. Why does Functional Magic make these beautifully designed and commissioned, collectible, handmade gig posters to fund climate activism? What inspired him? And also why a screenprint?
Well, screenprint is traditional to gig posters, and I just think.
They look great.
It's just a beautiful analog process. And so there was an aspect of this where I was creating something that I just loved as an art piece, and my idea was that I was going to foreground the art. They're different, right than the kind of political posters that Carol's talking about. They're not message first, and I was hoping that people would hang them on their walls and enjoy them and get to know the climate change solution a little bit
that the posters were inspired by. And there's like a social contagion thing that they call in activism, right where if people get excited about something, someone else will someone else will. You know, there is a real narrative in the media and even some activists that the energy transition, the agriculture transition, a lot of the transitions that need to happen are all just painful in austerity and sacrifice,
and that's not really true. The more I research solutions to the climate change, a lot of them just will make our lives better, regardless of their missions reduction. Our lives will be better if everything's electrified and there's less air pollution. Our lives will be better if farming becomes regenitive and there's healthier food available, so let's get excited about that and work on these things.
And so trying to put a positive spin on what you can do as opposed to what you have to limit yourself from doing.
Yeah, And I don't think it's a spin. I mean I believe it.
Yeah, Yeah, I think. I mean, I think when it comes to propaganda, propaganda kind of gets a bad rap, but there are positive aspects of propaganda. Is that correct? Oh?
I'm trying to redefine propaganda.
So I mean propaganda.
We've been taught that what the other side said is propaganda. What we say is the truth. Yeah, and the other side says the same thing.
For a deeper dive on misleading or misinformation used as propaganda, you can see our recent updated episode on agnetology or willful ignorance.
So I think, yes, everything is propaganda.
Can we I know we're running out of time, but I really want to ask Carol a question.
Yeah, no, go for it, Okay.
So I know Carol knows this is a super famous poster.
So this is the now century old poster of a white bearded man in a suit and a star spangled top hat. Pointing right at its viewer with the word I want you for US Army. Kind of like if Michaelangelo's Heavenly Creator were younger and had a better jaw line and was in business close instead of like a
celestial bathrobe. Carol's like, I don't know if you heard the mic pick that up, but talking about iconography and very recognizable faces, we've got a poster of Uncle Sam who wants you for the US Army.
You know, there's like these iconic images that have been super successful and you associate with any number of things. This is for recruiting. You know, you think of Smoky the Bear when you think about forest fires. You can think about Rosy the Riveter when you think about selling war bonds. I don't think there's been one yet for a climate change and do you why do you think that is? What do you think about that?
The closest thing to an icon for the ecology movement is in the late sixties, Ron Cobb, who was a political cartoonist who then went on to do some of the computer graphics the first Star Wars. He developed the theta symbol, which part of the explanation of it at the time was that it means if we don't deal with the ecology now, is going to be deaf for the world. So often you'll see the green American flag
with maybe the peace sign on it. That's more common, but it's a challenge for all you artists and graphic designers out there.
Since we are among a pop culture and comic book crowd, let's not forget that the Greek letter theta was used as an abbreviation for the mythological figure of death Thanatos, who inspired the super villain to end them all. Thanos. You cute little nerds probably already knew that, but things you don't know. Let's hear from the wonder Kron audience their questions.
I was curious what disruptive public art or guerrilla art looks like in the more digital world and digital space. If you see stuff like that so online disruptive protest art?
Great question, Yeah, our memes protest art.
I think the word that got me was thistive because when you're looking at your computer screen or your phone and you're looking at all these images and they're all over the political map, and then you go on to the next one, you're not doing anything. It's a very passive way of receiving information, and you really is talking about an economic level of having access to.
A phone or a computer.
Paper posters are actually still used more and more because you can't carry your computer screen in a demonstration. You can't plant your computer screen on your lawn, you know, So paper is still being used. Now, what the computer does, what the internet does, what social media does, it makes
it very easy to transmit the posters. I think this started with Occupied did a lot of free downloads, and so you have artists make the posters and then whoever likes that one or that one or that one, they just download and print themselves.
And Carol is referring to Occupy Wall Street, which is a series of protest against income inequality in the fall of twenty eleven. And now Carol also has plenty of poster download resources and we'll link them on our website.
Then the Immigration Movement in Alto, Arizona, they did a lot of free downloads. Just Sees is a great organization. And when a poster is on a wall in a market or in a library, you're going there because you're going to use those facilities. And all of a sudden you see something you weren't expecting to see and that's really the power of the poster.
Well, I just really want to thank you. It's so exciting for me, as someone who's just starting this and trying to be as effective as I can be, to have this resource, and I can't thank you enough for keeping that going.
Thank you all for being here and having this chat with us. Thank you both for letting me ask you so many questions.
Thanks Ali, so.
Ask activist people artistic questions and make a poster use your voice. Thank you against so much, Carol and Andy for orchestrating this, and again we have links to the Center for the Study of Political Graphics and to Functional Magic in the show notes, and also a link to Andy's kickstarter for Functional Magic with gorgeous new T shirt designs by Kaya Sotder. Check those out. We'll also link the social media for both organizations. We are at Ologies
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