Oh hey, it's that squirrel staring at you through the window because you're late with the peanuts. Today, Ali Ward back with an extremely digital episode of Ologies. Ali, you say, Downward, we love snail funerals and coyote ghosts and mushroom gonuts. But let's bump this into the age of the world Wide Web, shall we? So we are today I get my head out of the annals of dusty natural history books, into the ones, into the zeros, and into the head
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This podcast is the Bean and my Beer. So thank you school It So Bad. That was a very nice review. Buckle up to hear your old dad out of her comfort zone and into the matrix. So architectural technology. I know you are definitely thinking that this is an episode about how arches are built or glass buildings with solar panel windows. I know, but watch out, that is not
it at all at all. So archie means having or conceived of is having a single, unified overall design and texture comes from the Greek for chief weaver or builder, and then technology is also from the Greek meaning art or craft, coming from weave. So the tech in architect and technology are the same tech. So archetechnology. You'll hear
more on that now. Okay, I don't know beans about programming, and when things start to get over the average or in my case, below average person's head, I'm going to stop and just clue us all in for a second, just to get up to speed so no one's left behind. Also, I made this episode kid friendly just because we'd need the youth to solve all of our problems. Thank you in advance for doing that. Now this ologist is just
about to become your new hero. At fourteen, he got the Presidential Scholar Award from a guy named Barack Obama. And at the age when most of us are just sweating over getting our learners permit, he was working on data analysis for Twitter and with Instagram and Snapchat. Still in his teens, he was pioneering autonomous driving systems, and
he's worked for SpaceX. He's spoken at TEDx. He has created the user experience for Nipsey Hustle's smart store, Marathon Clothing, and just in twenty twenty alone, he's collaborated with Prada, Versace, Travis Scott, and Fenti. He launched an augmented reality visual studio called Spatial Labs, and is the designer for Snoop Dogg's new retail store. He's also releasing an EP of his own, Dude is Busy and He's Awesome. I was very lucky to be introduced by our mutual agents at
wm so Hi Travis and Hi Matthew. And then for the week leading up to this interview, I just had noughts in my stomach about how cool he was and how little I understood about programming and just want to
ask him. But he is as patient and as gracious as a genius could possibly be, and we chatted all about the value of hands on tinkering and different programming languages and what they do, and how to start coding at any age, advice he gives kiddos and grown ups, and being part of technological movements, how he's worked with everyone from Kanye to Rihana and more, what the future will look like, and why being flexible and collecting varied
life experiences is the key to excellence. So cozy up and get ready for your mind to be blown and your heart to be warmed by architectural technologist Idris sand.
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You, I imagine a lot of your stuff can be done on a computer.
Right.
Oh yeah, I mean for me, work has always been about being digital, and even though we have an office, you know, it's really been about like you know, I just the comfort of like having an in home office in a studio, And I mean, I mean I do everything here from software developing to architectural fixture. Like you know, I do a lot of prefab architecture, so creating the concepts here, three D printing them. There's a CNC machine
in here. There's like all these different machines. So we just constantly keep the creative juice flowing.
Ps. Speaking of juggling several different intricate tech projects and creative juices, I asked him how much coffee he has to drink to handle it all. He told me he doesn't even drink coffee. This man is just naturally turbocharged. Okay, let's get right into it. And how would you define an architectural technologist or someone who doesn't know?
Yeah, so architectural technologist or more more like you know important like digital architect is really this like term that I coined around you know, applying the concepts, the ideations, and the design thinking that goes into you know, architecture and applying those two enhancing, enriching and scaling digital systems. Right, So it's about understanding like Dita Ram's ten principles of design.
You know, Zaha needs like principles or Mark Newsom or Johnny Ive or even like you know Bauhaus right, taking these elements of design and applying them to create efficient systems around digital infrastructure. That's like the you know way that I can break it down to people. They see the vision, but once they like have those conversations and it gets deeper, it makes total sense.
That list of designers a side note include visionaries who have made fluid sloping opera houses to elegantly minimalist German buildings, to knighted designers, and the mindes behind everything from rounded lounge chairs to the Apple Watch. Now, Idris mentioned the ten principles of design by Dita Roums, which I will list very quickly for context for this episode. Good design is innovative. Good design makes a product useful. Good design
is aesthetic. Good design makes a product understandable. Good design is unobtrusive. Good design is honest. Good design is long lasting. Good design is thorough down to the last detail. Good design is environmentally friendly. And good design is as little design as possible, so less is more. Something to consider before adding a bunch of glittering clip art and comic sands headers to your web patreots clutter be gone. And what what do architecture and digital landscapes have in common?
Is there something about like a user experience of it being clean but big, but navigable but complex? Like how how would you kind of relate those two?
Yeah? Well, I mean technically, you know, when I use the word architects, I don't mean in the context of the noun, right. And as a noun, it's somebody that you know, assists, creates or develops, you know, using the skills of design, creates, builds, assembles, or supervises buildings and their construction. Right, architects. And although I would love to be in that category, I have not you know, took the Bar test for architecture and you know, I never
went to college. Guys, I feel look at a dictionary for the word architect. In a dictionary, there's another definition. And as a verb, it's a process. It's a living thing. Right. The noun version, it confines you to a box. It puts you in this box of you are an architect, and in many cases you're building either physical things or digital things. Right. Architects don't always have to build physical systems. They can also build like virtual systems.
Okay, quick aside I look this up and yep, sure enough. Architect is both a noun and a verb, and the verb is more common in the tech industry now, I dress defines it for those of us outside of those digital domains.
As a verb, it's a process. It becomes a living thing, it becomes universal, it becomes water in itself, because it teaches you that as a verb, it's the process of taking figments of an idea and making it into an actual product. And I fell in love with that definition of like, and I was like every time, I'm like, I'm a digital architect, not as a noun, but as a verb, because people need to understand the power in
verbs being used to define what they do. Right, we live in the era of like people be like, Oh, I'm a Tory, So I'm a Gemini, I'm an aquarius, I'm an introvert, I'm an extrovert. All these boxes that we put ourselves in. And then when the moment somebody calls us or puts in the cite box, what's the first thing we say, trying to put me in a box? What I tell the bigges stock. So, yeah, that's what digital architecture really is to me. Like the usage of
architecture in a verb definition. I think the similarities that tie everything back to each other, which I've which took me years at twenty two, it took me years to learn, was that what connects synchronous designs together is the synchronosity between all forms of design is empathy, right, And I think that's one thing that architecture is a representation of. Architects ironically build either physical buildings or digital systems for
everybody else but themselves. Architects are the equivalent of the doctors of the design world that find viruses and pathogens and all of these things of design right and create using certain elements and patterns and tesselations together to form whole buildings that can protect people and cost shelter. Like being an architect, whether the noun or a verb, it's the highest human achievement and that everyone can do it.
Like the connections are in understanding that all elements are designed together, are precisely woven together, connected by one medium, and that's empathy.
Wow, you know it's funny because you say that, And I think of all of the different scientists that I've interviewed in my work, and I always find that they usually start with a problem and their science kind of revolves around a solution. And it never occurred to me that, yeah, at the root of that is empathy. Is Okay, well here's something that someone needs, and so I'll build it, or I'll dream it up, or I'll fix it, you know. And you know, were you always a very empathetic kids?
Were you kind of out like romping around and looking at bugs or were you more like a book corm inside? Or when when did you become so curious?
I think I have always been a curious kid, you know, I remember being six seven eight, you know. Growing up, we were you know, financially deprived. But I'm very, very very particular with words, because our words are frequencies. I prefer the term financially deprived instead of low income because it relates to us, you know, beneath level, right, but it's just a lack of resources to be able to perform.
So yeah, we were just like financially deprived. And I would always, like my mom would always have to buy new controllers because I would always break them. And you know, just look at okay, cool, these are what transistors are. And I would look at a PCB board.
PS PCB is a printed circuit board, and no, I have never taken one apart myself. And yes, I just had to look up what a PCB was. I'm not a shaped.
I would look at it and reroute everything and connect to the USB and then take the USB to this and then I remember this one time I created. I took a remote and then I basically rerouted and reprogrammed in Java the ability for me to point that at our ceiling fan and I could change the speed of the fat right, and so like I had always been curious, Yeah, those one time I programmed the light bulb to have a two simple digits, a zero and a one node and when it was in a zero state, it was off.
When it was in its one state, it was on. And that moment was when I just knew that this is what I was meant to do, the curiosity of understanding how things work, and more importantly, including this this common theme that would forever be you know in my life. Digital alchemy, which is the reusability of products once you know it's it's the way that it's been designed to use once that is depleted, being able to repurpose things to form things completely new, so yeah, So, like answer
your question, I'd always been creative. I can't remember a time when I wasn't created. But every single thing, even to this day, that I create is not for me. It's about the people around me. And I mean growing up in Ghana for a little bit, and you know, growing up in Compton and moving to Harbord City and being around you know, every type of person from different communities.
Everything that has woven my work and even in my DNA has been around using that curiosity not to create inventions, right, Inventions are like a blatant form of ego, whether people realize them or not. Innovation is truth. Innovation is humility, and an invention starts with you wanting to create something for the sole purpose of it satisfying your needs or your immediate surroundings. Innovation is about creating things to help the masses. That's the true test of humility. Always curiosity.
And you know, when did you go from you know, hardware and taking apart controllers and changing their frequency and into coding and into kind of software, Like when did you make that jump?
Okay, so there's two people, right, there's two people that inspired me. One is one is fictional and the others non fictional Steve Jobs, I am back Tony Stark.
I am Iron Man.
Okay, so they you know Tony Stark, you know, like because that was that was my Howard Hughes, that was my Nikola Tesla, that was my Steve Jobs, even because he set the bar for me in terms of what could be created because it never really was created. It's not real. And that allowed my imagination to be very field. But to answer your question about, like, before all of this,
what got me into coding? I remember watching the keynote, right, the Steve Jobs keynote of him in two thousand and seven, Right.
Are you pulling it up there?
Yes, just so I can show you this, like you know, it's like so I could let you know what Mark about. I think like eight minutes ink. In two thousand and seven the first iPhone presentation, Steve Jobs said something that the rest of the world at that time might not have been might not have noticed because they were just thinking about the product. Steve Jobs took a quote from a very popular I would consider him an anthropologist, a teacher,
a guider, a philanthropist. Alan Kay. Are you familiar with him? Alan Kay? He's huge in the he was very fundamental towards like the early stages of Apple and stuff. He's just like super cool. He took a quote from Alan k that said, people who were really serious about software should make their own hardware. To build your own hardware, build your own software. That was the quote, and that
one over so many people's heads. But that was the birthing place that or that was the mark that signify the birth of Apple as we know today from a perspective of creating their own hardware and controlling the own software right. And I saw that from our early age, and as I would age, I realized how every brand started to assimilate in that same way. You're able to control the narrative around whatever it is that you're pushing if you're the platform owner. So from a very young age,
I always wanted to be a platform owner. I wanted to think about, yes, I want to build software and got I started learning how to code, in fact, at the age of eleven and went to a library for almost two years straight, only missed three days and learned everything. And I saw the differences. When I was in Compton, I was reading legacy programming languages.
Okay, I wasn't sure if legacy was the actual name of a programming language, so I had to look it up and wow, okay, no, So a legacy language, as opposed to a modern one, is older and usually not the base for today's coding. But it's really important to know because new technology sometimes has to interact with a
legacy language that may be the base for other programs. Also, please pardon this aside up top, but I just want to get some programming basics just out of the way for context, so no one feels lost, and also full disclosure because I needed to look it up to understand it. Also, I'm going to go quick. So first off, machine language is chattering via binary code, so ones and zeros, and those are expressed via tens of thousands of transistors that
flip on and off to relay those ones and zeros. Now, a programming language is a way for us to tell those ones and zeros how to behave and what to accomplish for us. So just to remember the task of a thousand steps begins with a single beat boop. Life is just a series of tiny beat boops that can change the world. Now, some of the first programming trivia alert was around the year eight hundred in modern day Baghdad and involved an automata, which was a programmable steam flute.
Priorities got to get those flute jams in now. In the seventeen hundreds, we had punch cards that helped operate Jeckhard textile looms, and in eighteen forty three, Ada Lovelace, a writer and mathematician who's also the daughter of poet Lord Byron, wrote an algorithm to calculate Bernoulli numbers, which are a sequence of rational numbers that occur often in
number theory. Anyway, some of the first computers in NASA's history were women crunching numbers behind the scenes to figure out flight paths and fuel needs, and programming the first electronic general purpose digital computer for the US Army in the nineteen forties. Fast forwarding to the last couple of decades, let's have a very brief simplification of what a programming
language is. Essentially means how plain text or what's called source code is formatted and written to tell the machine how to flip those transistors making all those ones and zeros to get stuff done. And some older legacy programming languages are COBAL aka Common Business Oriented Language, which has been around since the late nineteen fifties. For tran is casual for formula translation, it's also from the fifties. There's RPG,
which was developed by IBM in nineteen sixty. C has been around since nineteen sixty nine, and it's the foundation of languages like C plus plus and Java and C sharp. Perl has been around since the late nineteen eighties and gained traction doing CGI graphics. And it's open source, meaning you can fuss with it and modify it. So anyway,
thank you for bearing with that history and context. Idris was at the library at the age of eleven, feeding his hungry brain with legacy programming languages as one does.
You know, I was looking at like Mainframe, IBM, like Lisa, I was looking at like all these different you know, scratch, you know, basic assembly, very very low level.
Okay, so low level like easy.
High level programming is actually low and low was actually high.
Yeah.
When I say low level programming, I'm in the kernel. I'm learning about the machine language, right of how computers not interpret data data but really process information. There's like different forms of computer language processing. Some are it's a lot, Like there's interpreted languages, there's machine language, there's like a bunch of different ones. But then I just started going to library and read and read and read and ironic, well not ironically, but to the universe in God's grace.
I would end up meeting a Google engineer that happened to be there that day and saw me reading my books, and like that was really the start for me in this space. But yeah, it's I mean, it really started with just seeing the possibility of you know, are you a huger like Marvel fan?
Okay, I was already clueless about programming, but now I also had to admit that I am like a weird old lady who has not seen a lot of superhero movies. But somehow he was perfectly kind and gracious about it, so much that it almost me cry to be honest.
No judgment, no judgment at all. No, no, don't worry about it. You have a whole lifetime, you know, Like, no, I'm not even being ironic. By now, you're still young, like you have a lot of time to like watch it. But in the first you know, iron Man, there's a scene of like, you know Obadiah who was like, you know, the villain in the first movie like pressing the scientists like, yeah, we tried it, but we can't. He's like, Tony Stark built this in a cave, right, and then the dude like, well,
I'm sorry, sir, I'm not Tony Stark. You know. It's like and I think that ability for him to build anything anywhere at any place is what gave me the push in a very digital way, right, the digital architecture. Tony Stark instilled the digital design thinking in my mind, and Steve jobs Or he instilled the physical design thinking in my life. So like, these are very two card
similar yet different people. But yeah, it was ultimately around like watching the Apple keynote and at the same time Discovery because Ironment also came out in two thousand and seven, by the way.
I didn't realize that.
So it's like these people together are literally like shaping my design thinking process and everything for years to come.
I dress was nine in two thousand and seven. I still have pants from two thousand and seven that I wear, like legacy bootcut baby. But yes, he got started really early, learning to code at eleven and by chance meeting a Google designer while studying at the library.
I know you.
I know that you were in the library, you're studying code. You were what maybe thirteen at the time, and you started enterning for Google.
Yes, various points in my life, I was being allowed to be in spaces that I normally wouldn't have been in. Right, So me being a thirteen year old kid with somebody that you know, believed in me so much and saw what I was doing to let me have an opportunity to see how things actually worked, and being able to go into the Google building and go in and see how ideas then went to the drawing board, and the
drawing board then went to the designers. At that time, like uy ux wasn't as big as it is now, you know, so it was like the you know, the interface designers, and then from there it going to like the programmers and the programers working with the marketing team, and the marketing team distributing the app that was built. I just got to see so much and I was like, oh wow. It was like being a Willy Wonkers factory and I was like, wow, this is how it works.
I want to create this. How did you like the Chocolate Factor, Charlie? I think it's the most wonderful place in the whole world, and that would basically shape my whole life around ownership. I started with ownership. I started by watching Steve Jobs unveil the first iPhone and Tony Stark, you know, one to own his iron Man tech and not give it to the Pentagon. Like seeing these two
parallel stories informed every single time everything about me. And one thing that I practice a lot is vertical integration right now. Vertical integration is a form of business in which a business owner or entity controls the whole product life cycle of their creation. Right That's what Apple does. Right, So let me like break it like back to what I was saying by the reason why throughout this whole interview that Alan k to build your own hardware and
make your own software is going to make so much sense. Right. So, Apple as a company has a multitude of different devices right now, for every one of those devices that they have, there's an integrated operating system that they created for each of those products. Right. So, if you have an Apple Watch, it runs what watch os. If you have an iPhone it runs iOS. If you which they own these two which they own. If you have a Mac computer, you're running mac os, which they also own, and if you
have a TV, it runs what Apple exactly AOS? Right, Okay, cool, Maybe I just got lucky. Maybe I just got lucky with that. You know, that's maybe just a coincidence, even though I said, you know, I did four different comparisons. Let's keep going. Let's look at Google. Google's phones run what Android, their TV's run Android TV, their cars run Android Auto, and their watches run Android ware. But now
let's talk about like Virtual assistance. Alexa is owned by Amazon, Apple owned Seri, IBM has Watson, Google has Google Assistance, so they've all vertically integrated their companies in plain sight in a way that people have it like it's like a case of CSI and you're drawing like all the red line between all the different points of you know,
origin or whatever. So with that in my blood, and with that understanding that Steve Jobs and Tony Stark one fictional one nonfictional in stilled, that's why everything always came down to. So when you ask you, I have to give that preface before answering your question in regards to how does that light bulb moment go to an actual product?
You know, for like me. And it goes with understanding that if I know I'm not in a position to work on an immediate solution to an issue or a problem that I can't vertically integrate, or at least, for the most part, vertically integrate within my own immediate surroundings, I don't deem it as a priority for me. So, you know, because I divide things I do into two space states. Right there's I came up with this term
called aspirational necessitation. Now, aspirational necessitation just simply means or taking the ninety five percent of design thinking that's usually attributed for five percent of products in the world and applying it to the ninety five percent of the products, Meaning the kids that graduate school and have the best ideas to come back and fully sustain and develop our communities and scale them the way they need to get poached by big companies, so they never have an opportunity to.
If you look around you, you would notice that the products that are aspirational, the stuff you do not need, are the most highly priced and are in fact the most beautiful design things that you can lay your eyes on, Whereas the products that are a necessity in you to
you roadblock street sides, pedestrian buttons, parking meters. All of these things are designed very very poorly and with very little design thing And in fact, the moment that these systems are installed, they're already depreciating in value, whereas on your phone, if you really think about it, it appreciates in value. Why because there's software updates. So why haven't we designed city infrastructure and things that are a necessity
around us with the same thing. Could you imagine all these tech companies Tesla, General Motors, Hyundai, Toyota making new cars all the time, making a car be smaller, faster, more efficient, but no one is thinking about the road on which the car is drive to. Yeah, that hasn't been changed. How about we just make efficient more roads?
Right, So, aspirational necessitation making the things that we all use as nice as the things only five percent of people can afford. Can you imagine that world of just beautiful efficiency?
And then it gets into this conversation of like, well, do is you know, do people actually want that or is it something we just say we want to see better design, we want to see this, And then you start to realize the thin line between aspirational and necessity. So yeah, Like for me, it's like I divide things into two parts, products that are aspirational and products that are necessity. And the necessity products are the things that I'm mostly focused on. But then again, I think about
how far can I vertically integrate those ideas. If I have an app that, for example, tells people on their phone, like you know, when COVID nineteen or when there's a surge in their area, if I can't design it from my home and then build it and then distribute it off of my home, then I probably won't work on it. So I vertically into early but that's my design. I know that was a long answer.
But no, that's amazing.
Have there been any projects that you've worked on that you've really kind of you felt like you've grown a lot having worked on them. Were there any projects that you feel like taught you a lot as you did as you did them?
I would most likely say either my collaboration with Nipsey Hustle back in twenty seventeen.
Okay, quick side note for those who aren't familiar. Nipsey Hustle, la born rapper and activist who also started the Marathon clothing store, The first smart store of its kind that offered consumers special digital experiences in the store and unlocked extras with their purchases of Crenshaw shirts and Victory Lap snapback caps. And Idris explains how that collaboration came to be, and he backs up a step to describe the project that he was working on when he met Nipsey.
Or the way I have to phrase this now is a software that I built called ACDI Autonomous Collision Detection Interface that I pitched and had several meetings with Uber about. But I have this censor right in front of me here that we're now refining. We're like a version five point zero. We've designed our own chip under a company
called Spatial Laps that I started. I was creating this system that would basically using machine learning, we would be able to detect a driver's hand position in the car and it cognitively would learn about how you drove and one assist you in driving. So the device can capture frames that up to three hundred to four hundred frames per second using infrared light, it would be able to get your hand position in the car in milliseconds and
be able to do evasive maneuvers around it. So let's just say you were texting and driving, but in a very likely a layman's or base way, it would be able to do a fifty to fifty percent distribution. So you're driving, you'd start texting, you're looking up and down. The car engages and knows that you're in a texting mode,
and so it would assist you with driving. If you immediately let your hands go off of the car, it would engage full autonomy, and the moment that you put it back on a wheel, it would let you like control it again. Wow.
So this system would not only automate the driving, but figure out when you need help, like a perfect significant other who knows when to swoop in and bring you a cookie and when to leave you alone.
Yeah, so the software. After I created it, I was like, you know what, I had this ultimate epiphany about just something that was coming in especially with ownership as it related to especially a lot of people of color and minorities, Africans, you know, like you're just in general. And I was like, the youth aren't given the necessary skill sets Because I went to a public school to be able to create the level that I did.
Remember that while the rest of us were going to bought mitzvahs and growing our first wisps of a mustache. I dresses. Profound curiosity led him behind the Google fortress walls at thirteen.
To me, it's the equivalent of like going in and working for the greatest fashion houses. And it's like painting the Systine Chapel and then not and no one else can do it because you have the skill sets on how to build it. It's like having the answers to how the pyramids were built, but you're the only personality how to do it. So I wanted to get more youth and younger kids, especially of color, to get into technology.
And the only reason or the only way I could do that is if it was if I made technology cool. It had to be cool, you know, because we look up to the celebrities and the athletes because they break the mold. Very few of us get to escape our reality and actually live our dreams. But what if I could create systems and I could repurpose my code to instead of serving gimmicky you know values, what if I could reuse those same algorithms and then sale to create
something else. So ironically, like I was sitting in a Starbucks one time, which I never go to because I don't drink coffee. Yeah, but something to I had left. I've always been a library and right like, I always loved going to So I went to the Levy Library, you know, at USC on Figuoa. Something told me to go to the Starbucks. I go into the Starbucks, I sit down and I'm literally modifying this software that I'm telling you about.
This was the ACDI software that he was working on, just coding in a Starbucks on fig when Nipsey came in because his daughter had to use the bathroom. So good thing Idris did not have a laptop privacy screen because Nipsy spies what he's working on.
I'm coding it literally like modifying it, and then in comes you know, Nipsey Hustle, and then he paces back and forth four times, sees what I'm doing my computer, and eventually it's like, yo, this is so crazy, like what you're doing, and he approaches me in a very respectful way. He's like, sir, could you tell me what you're doing? And I'd let him know what I was doing. And then we came together and we created the Marathon Store Nipsey.
You described the concept of the store in twenty seventeen on LA's Power one O six radio.
Well, it's basically, there's gonna be an app that you can download to activate the smart features of the store. It's gonna be the Marathon Store App. And basically, you know when you walk into the store, there's gonna be tags that you know, gonna have content. So tags are
the clothing. So a certain shirt, right, We'll promote the shirt and it'll be a piece of content that's programmed specifically to this shirt, so that you know, when the shirt drops, you get the shirt, but then you also get a piece of content that's not on iTunes, that's not on YouTube, that is in the cloud.
In the interview, he also praises I Address a Bunch for his vision and advocates for more kids learning STEM and the two of them working Gather created not just a landmark in the Crenshaw District of Los Angeles, but on the whole commercial landscape.
Which would go on to inspire a whole culture of artists, performers, you know, to think differently about their brand and how they can use technology to enhance it. Twenty one Savage Right who's known as like, you know, I'm sure you know he's like notoriously known as like a rapper, right, but I'm touring in one faux al ain't a way on the switch. He did a collaboration with Spotify on
machine learning. After he came in and saw that we were using artificial intelligence and geo fencing to deliver music exclusively to the fads without the need of middle people, he was inspired to go do a machine learning collaboration with Spotify where they had this app that you would just hold your phone. He has this like famous tagline Issa It's a knife, So you would just hold your
phone over different parts of different objects. The machine learning algorithm would automatically detect what it is and it would say what it was. So it's a cup, it's a hat, it's it is. And I thought it was so genius because that's what's going to get more kids, and that's what's going to gravitate more people to getting into technology.
So I mean to answer your question, those are the two things that are the two pivotal moments, like you know in my pre like twenties where like I felt like that really changed it for me, understanding that I could repurpose my code from going to creating a platform called ACDI Autonomous Colleton Detection Interface, which I pitched to a company like Uber, to repurposing that same code and creating a system for you know, musicians to be able
to DJ using their heads and then meeting Nipsey Household.
Oh my god.
Nipsey passed away on March thirty first, twenty nineteen, from gunshot wounds sustained in the parking lot of the Marathon store. He was thirty three. Twenty thousand mourners showed up in his memorial at Staple Center in LA and lined a nearly marit on length funeral procession through the streets of Los Angeles. And Nipsey was an outspoken advocate for peace and for opportunity and for learning. And he had actually been due the next day to meet with community members
about reducing gang violence in his beloved neighborhood. And what was it like working with him too?
Nipsey, He's just an amazing He was and is an amazing human being. And I think whereas like past political black leaders gave us like political power, he was all about economic empowerment and giving you economic power there's three things that you need to change a community. You need buying power, you need economic power, and you need political power. But political power and buying power need a resource to be able to They need to feel, and that is
economic power. So that's what his messaging was. And I think it all makes sense to me now how everything happened and the reason why he chose me to really like and it highlighted me and went so hard for me because he knew I was like one of the only people around him in a circle that could articulate the full complexity of how his mind worked and how deep it went. This was not no ordinary rapper. This
was not no ordinary person. This man understood a lot of things, and had he been here, I would I feel very comfortable putting him part apart with being like our modern day jay Z, you know, in terms of cultural influence. But yeah, I mean, you know, he was my brother, protector. We traveled all together, they did a lot of amazing things together, and we're you know, I'm just going to continue working. But to answer a question like it was a very amazing, lovely, uh time spent with him.
Yeah, I'm so sorry for the loss on that his accused of sailant, a former childhood friend, was arrested two days after the murder and awaits trial. Nipsey Hussle went on to win multiple Grammys posthumously earlier this year. Something that is that's really striking about you is you are You're so obviously like focused and passionate about what you do, and you're also so good at having an opportunity and taking full advantage of it, you know, of showing up
when the opportunity kind of knocks. And you know, do you are you ever called to give advice to people who you know are have less confidence or aren't sure that they could accomplish anything near what you have asking for myself because I will shamelessly take any and all advice this dude has to offer, but also for you know, the youth gen z's and beyond.
Yeah, I mean I think even now, like I was just reading a Wall Street Journal article earlier about how like the coronavirus is going to shape is going to literally shift the paradigm for an unfinished generation's social skills. Gens. See, like these kids that are now eight and nine, ten, or even like five or six, they're going to completely grow up in a completely different world now because of coronavirus, you know, and so what it means to be social
is going to be different. What it means to interact facetiming or video calling or even volumetric like, you know, certain things have to happen for us to go into new ages of time, right, scientists have to try and get us to the moon, and you know, create a new technology and mistakenly create microwave, and now we all
have microwaves in our house. That scene in Star Wars and New Hope where you have Princess Leiah, you know R two D two projecting her hologram and her telling obi wan kan help, obi wan kanumbi, you're our only hope for us to get to that level, for us to get to the shift, certain things needed to take place in the world. And so to me, like I'm a huge spiritualist and stuff. So what I tell like people around me, whether it's now in terms of advice or whatever or in the past, is like there's always
a blessing behind every single thing that happens. And when we talk about that hologram age in recent events, what's going on in the world, what's happening right now is going to force that to happen now because we're going to have to rethink media. Magic Leap, the company that makes those like you know, mixed reality goggles and hollow lens, are going to be way more powerful and needed now right when you you know, ask me, like, what advice do I give to people? It's the advice is simply
just be dynamic. Even when I have like kids come up to me like what programming language? I feel that if I tell children, if I tell young kids what programming languages they should they shouldn't force Especially when those kids coming out to me are like minorities, I feel like I'm not giving them the right information, the right information for me to say to those kids to be learn how to be dynamic because one programming language is
not going to be it. You know, new programming language will be created, but you know what won't be new, Your ability to dynamically think. Train that muscle in your brain to be able to be adaptable. Teaching kids the importance of not only just you know, going to the river and giving them a fishing rod, but also letting them know that they might not be able to fish
all year round. Even if they have a fishing rod, So teaching them how to go to other beaches and other oceans to fish, and how to identify the flow of current and when fish are coming and when they're not coming, teaching them the high levels right, thinking about it, very dynamically, thinking about how to help the youth in such a way that it's not in now. So my advice is really centered around balance and not even the future, but ballants right, information of the current is by default
already information of the past. As we're communicating right now, the things we're saying, the things we're talking about right now even involves to mention a new technology that has a six week shelf life. A year from now, we got on new iPhones, and then we're talking about something else, says my advice to any kid or anyone. Really, I feel like we're all kids. We're all children in the
most respectful and honorable way. We are all children, and children are the most creative people, and I believe we all want to be considered creative.
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Okay, on to your questions. Can I ask you a few questions from listeners who knew that you were coming on?
Yes, of course, please thank you.
I'll run through like lightning round. Michelle Jacobs wants to know if you have a favorite programming language and why, or if you have a few that you would break down to sort of tell people to start looking at.
Yeah, I mean personally, I mean I started off with Java, and Java is one of the most you know, it's not only just one of the oldest programming languages that we I still currently use today, but more importantly, it's a programming language that is like the grandfather of all other programming languages. Right, there's different forms of programming languages. There's different languages, and then there's different like broken versions
of those languages. Right. So you think of like English, and then there's like the British English, then there's the American English. Then there's like patois you know, and then there's like broke pitchin English. Right, And in programming there's a very wide array for a different application of what you're doing. There are like array languages there, like assembly. There's just so many. There's compiled languages.
Okay, I looked it up in Wikipedia lists over fifty types of programming languages. How exciting. Why are there so many?
It depends on what you're what you're doing. But personally, my one of my favorite programming languages is not Java. Actually that's just a language I started with. I really love c I love c sharp, And the reason why I love c sharp is obviously it has way more memory advantages and speed improvements over Java. But the thing I love about c most important is because it's really
widely accepted. I can compile that on my map computer running like Bootcamp or running parallel desktop, side by side with the computer and platforms that I in the past that I've used a lot of, like Unity, which is a game engine. For a lot of visualizations we've created in the past, we've built them in Unity using C sharp. So I love, love, love c sharp. C sharp is
one of my favorite languages. But there's a new programming language that Google created called Flutter that I love so much because I've been using a lot of Facebook React Native. So the Facebook has two major program languages. One is called React and one is called React Native. And by the way, this is another moment for me to go back to what I was saying about to build your own software, build your own hardware. Facebook has their own
programming language. It's called phasebook React, which is it's and it's well, you know, before people grow me, because I know this is going to happen, let me just reiterate and say I know that phasebook React is not a programming language, and it's a library, but it's pretty much a programming language. We can agree to disagree. It's pretty much a language. It's a JavaScript library, but it is a programming language and as it's currently.
Used, okay from what I gather. Boot Camp side note is a software that helps install Windows OS on Macintosh computers, which, like other types of boot Camp, sounds like a sweaty endeavor. And a library is a bunch of reusable programming routines that a coder can grab so they don't have to physically type all of that source code out like they know what it does and what to use, so you know, you can copy and paste the basics to avoid needing like bionic risks to peck all those ding dank backslashes
and such. So these shortcuts are valuable given that experienced programmers can make upward of one hundred bucks an hour. In case you were interested in learning to code.
Yeah, I had been using a lot of Facebook React Native, and the difference between React and React Native is one of them is like simply in Layman's term, is just a web browser being hosted on an app form, and the other allows you to use native components that are native to device specifics like having Android or iOS. But not to confuse anybody, Let's just keep it like risk. I think my favorite language is c sharp.
Okay, Oh that's amazing. That's so good to know.
There were some people who were asking questions about Python, like Anna Valerie as any tips or tricks learning coding as a quote old dog, I wasn't taught are in school, and I'm finding myself needing it for positions in my field.
And then some people were saying start with Python. Python by the bye it was born in nineteen ninety one and it's known for having really readable code and a big library so you can grab existing source code from the community and modify it, and it's used for websites and desktop applications, also for really complicated data analysis, and back end developers use it to communicate database information to
the browser. And after many years, Python two just got retired and a new version of three point nine was just released. So is Python like a better trick for old dogs?
Yeah? Yeah, I mean I think Python is. I mean, it's mostly used as a back end programming language. Okay, so there's you know, there's different forms of programmers. There's a front end, there's back end, and there's full stack. Right, so front end basically is going to be more of your HTML, CSS, React, flutter, you know, relating to how the app is going to look, all the different programming languages, the animations and everything communicating precisely with each other. From
a front end perspective. Back End is usually like Python, you know, no JS, like all the things on the back end. So you think about servers, A lot of servers are using Python, like, oh, let's pair it with like a Linux virtual machine or a virtual system and then run it from there. So for anybody that's you know that feels quote unquote that they're that they're like, you know, older and they missed a lot. There's never been a more exciting time to get into programming like
there is now. I remember, you know, I'm twenty two, but I remember being eleven years old having to go to a library and read books there. And now with just there's so many free courses online. There's platforms like You to Me, there's con Academy, there's Treehouse that teach you Java from start to finish, that teach you Swift, which is Apple's official programming language. Is that I think a lot of people should start learning.
And does I dress like Swift? Be honest, I address.
I'm not gonna say it's easier or not, but uh, it's like, you know, I personally don't like it too much, but I do know it because I like to build cross platform apps. If I just build one app that's iows and one app that's A that's double the work. So I like to create like That's why I love c Sharpen or Facebook React, which allows you to code
once deployed it all. But I will say for anybody that feels like, you know, they're late or whatever the three program languages, if I had to give any I would say to look out for are Swift, which is Apple's official program le language that runs within their IDE called xcode, Java which runs inside Android's studios, which is Google's official ID, which is powered by Intelligent Jet brands.
And then I also say Facebook React, which is created and maintained by Facebook the community, and more importantly, React Native, which gives you access to even more native components. Okay, three, and then one more. Actually I would also add in Python, Okay, yeah, because a lot of machine learning stuff. I mean, when you're training data sets, when you're getting into machine learning, which I think more will start tapping into. Python is the language that you'll be using for a lot of
those things. So four languages, Python, Facebook, React, Java, Swift.
Okay, four, got it?
And actually I like five program iguages. So so Facebook, React Native, Swift, Java, which one did I miss? Yes? So Swift, yeah, c Sharp, Swift, Facebook, React, Java, and Python. All right?
Five?
Five? And then I'll also add Flutter Flutter because there's no there's a lot, there's a lot, right, there's like so many. Flutter is a new programmer language that hasn't had too much adoption, but it's so promising and I think it might be able to replace. Facebook React and Flutter is a programming language created and maintained by Google's community, which is very similar to you know, you know, Facebook React. But yeah, those would be my topic.
It's like you're number one, but it's by when we mean six, which the same a basic.
Right, my number one to like because you also don't want to like, you know, one thing I don't like, like, you know, what worked for me might not work with somebody else, right, So giving people like the languages that I feel like are not going anywhere, right, Yeah, that they should know.
Now, Yeah, that's amazing. That's such good advice. So that's six.
We got six Python, Facebook React, Flutter, Java Swift, and Idress's secret Darling see sharp. I love this question from me handlebars first time question answer wants to know what is the most cringey depiction of programming you've seen in mainstream media and did anyone ever get it right? Have you ever seen programmers depicted in a movie or TV where you're like, oh, come on.
Yeah, I mean I think the funniest thing is like, and you know, the tech community will understand this when like somebody's like writing a syntax or in a terminal on a computer and they literally I don't know if you'll be able to hear this, but then they do this. Yeah, it's like no programmer works that way. And this is like internal joke. We know, we all, you know, we get up, we stretch, then we crack our fingers and
we're like, what should I create today? And next thing you know, you're on GitHub looking at other people's coat and copying and pasting it into yours. So it's like, we know, we all don't like just be like typeing like that. But I mean, I think the media obviously is always going to do like you know, Top Gun, right, they brought like the guy from you know, a real Air Force, yeah pilot to come in and be like
what you think about Top Gun? What you think they brought a pilot to review call of duty for battlefield or something about that scene where like the plane He's like, that would never happen, that would never happen. But I think, like it's so funny, you know, it's humorous. And I mean Bill Gates himself said, and I mean I'm not from Silicon Valley, but I go there a lot. And Bill Gates said, like shows like Silicon Valley they do a very good job at portraying, you know, like what
tech is. But I think about like mister Robot and all these other you know, like shows. Yeah, probably that's that's my most cringey thing. You would expect it because again I'm a very unconventional architect or designer. I'm not going to give you like the tabs or spaces. Do you use tabs or spaces when you program? Like those are like to me the quality ones that everyone expects
you to say. But for me, it's really just like how the reality of being a programmer is you're always learning, just like the English language, You're learning new words all day and anyone that comes up and tells you that they know everything, and I mean, I'll be away of that. I'm learning a lot. I even sometimes google things or
go on YouTube. The difficulty is majority of the times that I'm trying to I'm doing my best to program something it's not something that's referenced on the Internet because I'm trying to do something completely new. Yeah, but it
kind of sucks. But yeah, like that's been one of the most cringe worthy things, like well, just seeing how it sensationalizes this idea of developers or programmers almost not having a soul and being very like machine likeing, you know, like you know, no, we we take breaks and go use the restroom and come back and then don't finish our code because we don't know what to do next. And it's not always like oh yeah, I don't take it, you know. So it's like that's what I would say.
And of course you can trust computer people to just roast each other online.
I don't know if you've seen like the memes around like the starter kits. Oh no, I have like the Programmer started kit a monitor that's curved, yes, lining them by your computer, not using a regular mouse, but getting like those old you know, track like the ones that have the ball the mother that book for dummies, like on every programming language in front of them, or like a mac pro or something like that. It's like, oh yeah,
programmer starter kit. You know, I'm gonna make a meme about that and post it later.
Actually heads up this question and answer killed me dead. And last last listener question, Mad's Clement wants to know what's the silliest thing that you've ever coded? Like a ridiculous website, just something like so stupid that you just really wanted to make.
I remember this one time I was developing an app for a client and then I put an Easter egg in the right corner, so you would have to, like I think you would long press it, tap or twice again, and then long press it again. And it was just like this this Kanye meme that would pop up and he'll be like, was it for Kanye? No, it was not for Kaye, but it was it was for like a huge known person. And then like I was like, hey, did you know that the Easter egg? And is that?
And You're like it was. It was just so funny to me. But yeah, I mean, I think what I love about programming is like, no matter what language you're using, the ability to like comment in line. And I think when I when I think of clean code, which I'm a very clean coder, right, there's just been too much emphasis, especially because a lot of the parts of these codes or algorithms that are being developed by specific people are
it's like a production line. It's it's like, you know, you see people standing next to each other and then they're like handing one box to another. So you want to type your code and you want to comment inline in the most concise brief way and make it really understandable. But sometimes I'd be like, man, I want to drop a code. I want to drop a I want to drop an inline comment slash slash, you know, forward slash, forward slash. Uh. This is just some dope that I wrote.
Let me know when you see it, you know, because I think like we as programmers. That's why the world never appreciates programmers, because they're so anal and they're so like machine like in terms of orchestration. And I get it, you know, but I think we can. That's what I feel like I'm here to do. I'm here to show people that, like I'm a jack of so many different trades, I am a jack of many trades and confined by none. You know, I don't desire to be a master of any,
but I neither decide to be confined by none. So like, you know, I feel like I've been put on this earth to show people like, Yes, I'm an architect that can design like an experience for Kanye and do stage designs and build Snoop Dogg store. But I can collaborate with Fenci and Prada and IBM on other projects and make it okay, make that the new norm. I know
I'm not. Then there's people that might be listening to this and be like he's not a conventional programmer or you know whatever they might like say about this, But one thing that they can't say is wow, he's so multi crafted and multifaceted. He is, you know, part of the new renaissance of being you know, multifaceted. And I should be too, right. Let we can talk about music, but go to tech and then from tech go to art. That should be a norm, right, Artists, music artist, fashion
designer should be working with programmers. In fact, for the last twenty years, what I've personally like seen, you know, like that being twenty two and so in terms of just history is that the people that are making the most impact are the people that started off doing something and did something completely different. Tinker Hatfield designed pretty much every popular Jordan's shoe that ever came out. He has an architecture background. Virgil Oblow. I didn't know that, Yeah,
Virgil Ablo has an architecture background. You know, Like so Adam Driver was a marine, you know what I mean. It's like, yeah, yeah, just a be of renaissance, like it's okay.
That's such good advice.
What is the most annoying thing about what you do or about programming? What is the one thing that just like like just a real be in your bonnet?
What what does really pisss you on?
I think, uh, probably because I mean my work requires me to have a math as well as a Windows machine. So like, for example, when I'm working with like big Data or like right now, we're working on a hyper realistic we're essentially building a hyper realistic visual operating system.
I think the number one reason why people haven't been able to connect with Siri and Google Assistant and all those things is because, unlike human interaction, there's a lot of physical or the notion of a physical person behind the person you're interacting with. Right So, even though I haven't met you in person, I do know that there's a person somewhere based off of everything else I've seen in the world that is communicating with me right now.
I think when we talk to programming, I mean, when we talk to like these assistants, it's very very very linearly, and so we're creating an operating system that's basically a visual AI system, and so like in that case for example, like I have a Windows computer and a Mac computer.
My Mac I have like the twenty twenty Mac with thirty two gigs of RAM and a g Force it has a sorry, has like an n video something I don't know, like a I mean, you have an ad m AMD Radio Pro five thousand, right with eight gigs of video storage.
But at the same time so hard later like oh my, that was pretty big.
Right, But at the same time, like I have a desktop that has two g Force rtx twenty eighty TI chipsets, and those are, by the way, the g Force rt x twenty eighty TI is the most powerful graphics card you can buy right now, and so I have two of those two and it's still lagging because we want to we want to render out the frames in four
K in real time. So it's like, you know, for means to the thing about cringe worthiness is or things that like kind of bothered me going from Windows to computer, knowing that the key bindings and the key layouts are are separate and at sometimes like I'll be on my Windows computer for like a week and then not open my Mac at all, then go back to my Mac and then I forget how to do certain things because I'm like, why, it's just not working.
Yeah, the muscle memory is like.
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. It's like, you know, sometimes my brain is processing things on such a high level that it forgets to think slow and being down. So I'm like, oh uh, how do I eat?
Yeah?
No joking, I take really good care of my body. Actually I can't.
I can't imagine because your your brain has to be so quick that you can't just like the kind of the trite like a programmer drinking like a two liter of mountain dew and a fist full of cheetoh, was like, your brain probably wouldn't work as well on that, right.
Oh yeah, I mean I'm very My science teacher in high school, she would always she always used to tell me that the brain was not meant to multitask. According to what she said, you know, it's like, you know, we can only good at efficiently doing things one time. And the truth to that is realizing that I read an article that said it takes the average around fifteen to twenty two minutes for your brain to regain peak
focus after you're distracted for something. Oh, I feel like they're you know, sometimes we just be trying to do so much and then we forget to focus on one thing and complete and go on to the next. Not because we were confining ourselves and not because we're not capable of processing all that information, but because when we get to focus and then create something, our brain is operating within its highest peak. So yeah, I mean for me, it's like it's really just always about like just that
peak level focus, right and understanding. Like, you know, I have a lot of time in this world, like to do a lot of things, you know, So yeah, like you know, just pacing, pacing.
Do you ever have to turn your phone off while you're working on new apps?
Absolutely? Yeah, I have. Like you know, I'm releasing I'm releasing a new single tomorrow. It's my first debut like song, and it's gonna be like a really exciting moment for me. But I was texting my friend Jaden yes today, you know, because kit cutting recently was like Jaden Smith, like, is
Luke Skywalker? So I hit him up yesterday was But I only mentioned that to say, like when I posted it on my Instagram, by the way, I just followed you to but like you when I went on the Instagram and then I posted the screenshot of like the text with Jayden. People hit me because it showed that I had two hundred and thirty unread messages and we'd be like, what you got to do? It turned into this whole thing. But no, absolutely, do not dods be on all the time.
Okay, this is like very inspiring to me.
It's like, yeah, I do want to get better at that. But I mean again too, I think about how, yeah, I love to give people full attention. And I also think too, just in the state that I'm in, I would rather work hard now so later I don't have to. And I think a lot of people prefer the other. They want to you know, live their from the youth
and then work later. No, I want to be like and I'm twenty two now eight years I want to retire and just go around the world building more schools, like what we're working on in Ghana right now, and you know, building shelters and changing how cities are built from an infrastructural level, using and leveraging AI, you know, in agriculture to be able to you know, let farmers know what seeds or what crop should be in rotation using AI metrics, you know, these are things that I
want to do later in life. So I'm working my butt off now so I don't have to like later.
Oh my gosh. That's amazing.
And this is always my last question, but it's going to be hard for you to answer. Thing, But what is your favorite thing about what you do? Like, what do you love the most about your career and your job and your.
Yeah, the connection to God and the universe to me is really important and really how every single thing that I'm doing in my life is for the next person, because I know that's why I'm here. I'm not here to you know, like it was about a numbers game, you know, just as from a twenty two year old perspective, like, I'm already there.
You know.
If it was about working with Kanye or Rihanno or you know, be out whoever it was, I'm already there. But if it's about what really keeps me filled with humanity is if it's really about humanity, then I haven't even scratched its surface.
Wow, So that keeps you going a lot. Yes, you're doing so much just amazing stuff. You're such an inspiration. I mean, I also here's where I confess that I was petrified to interview him because I know nothing about programming, and in terms of cool factor, he might be the coolest person literally on planet Earth. Just objectively scientifically speaking, he's.
So smart, he's so accomplished. I don't even know what to ask. So thank you for I'm so gracious.
Thank you, and thank you. I really appreciate these moments too, because it humanizes technology, because I think oftentimes, like even in the conventional programming mindset, like you know, programmers or people are so quick to like tell programmers that they're introverted and tell them that they're they're biotic and they
don't act human or whatever. But I want to be that representation for people to know, like, hey, we can have conversations about about you know, neural networks, we can have conversations about AI, we can have conversations about programming languages and keep it very very simple to where everyone can understand it, but humanize it in a way that it doesn't feel intimidating. I like to consider myself as a I don't you know, I'm not I didn't go
to I didn't go to college. You know, It's like I'm a very unconventional everythinger, unconventional student everything, or I just made that word up. Unconventional student, unconventional programmer. Yes, I don't program the same way everyone does. But my way is what makes me me, you know, and your way is what makes you you. And never let anyone take that away from you.
Oh, such amazing advice. You're doing such amazing things. It's it's honestly such an honor to get to talk to you. I'm just like, and we'll see you better get that before it's another message on Twitter.
Do not disturb. I thought I told you to turn. I'm a reprogram my iPhone after this call, like x cat, I'm opening up x code right now, you know, like I'm about to disable the colonel for Siri.
So ask smart people just the stupidest questions, because that is the only way we learn. And also look, they're so kind and so patient. Even if you haven't seen Iron Man, and in Idress's words, he says, we must not make the same mistakes those before us made. We must remember to be inclusive, diverse, and help everyone else around us because we are a one race, the human race. So get more Idress in your life. You can follow him on Instagram. At idress Sandhu or Twitter at idress
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