Welcome to the O'Brother Podcast with hosts Dan and Mike Smith , brothers from the same mother with different opinions on movies , tv , video games and more , plus celebrity interviews . Get ready , get set . It's time for the O'Brother Podcast . Welcome to the O'Brother Podcast . I'm your host , dan Smith .
Alongside me is always my brother from the same mother , mike Smith . How are you doing tonight , dan ? It's like twinsies . Look at the shirts . You can't really tell what it is supposed to be . Spotlights in in person , you can tell and then it says , oh , brother , and it says real brothers , real talk . Let me chit chat a little bit here up front .
So we're talking about kinds of kindness . Yeah , this is a yorgos lanthimus film . Um , we're going to talk a lot about the Yorgosphere . This is another one . I feel like I say this at the top of every episode , but this is another one where this was not the episode that we were going to deliver . First of all , we didn't know .
You know , we're kind of talking it out and figuring out the idea Right . And then Love Lies Bleeding , I noticed was streaming . And I kind of wanted to check that out , you know from when we did a first look on that quite a while back and you steered me away from that . Yeah , this was a new word so I thought it was . Yeah , which we do ?
classics , we do all kinds of right , you know movies , but um but this is something people listening can go see right now if they stream .
As they can Love Lies Bleeding , yeah , so anyways let me finish my little setup . I started watching the film . This is now streaming on . Is it Max ? Is that where it is ? I think so . I think it's Max , and I don't know 15 , 20 minutes in . I was so angry that you were making us watch this film .
I well , I was beside myself that I was watching this movie and I stayed through the whole thing . Two hours and 44 minutes and I tried to intervene . You gotta give me that you did and I knew . So here's mike starts to backpedal once he gets a look at the film . I it's .
It's a trilogy , it's a trilogy .
It's a triptych . A trip , yeah , yeah .
Anthology three stories , the same actors playing different characters in each story , and after the second one I was like we can't do this conceptually I was in conceptually like before .
Well , I'm like , okay , this sounds interesting , whatever right . And then I get , like I said , 20 minutes in and I'm just now . I wasn't sure . All these years we've been doing the podcast , all the episodes we've done , uh , about Disney and movies streaming on Disney .
Now we just did Deadpool and Wolverine not that long ago and you know that was one that was long time anticipated to get into the Disney universe , especially on Disney Plus because of the R rating for Deadpool films . And I now know what the plus in Disney plus is it's Disney plus soft core . I finally figured it out .
It took me all these years and I figured it out Well , you wouldn't have watched this on Disney Well , so it must be on Hulu . Hulu , right , yeah , so I watched it through Disney Plus , courtesy of Hulu . Right , okay , because there's a tie in there . Right , good for pointing that out .
So you're right , hulu is where , not Max , but Hulu Now to defend my decision .
This is the same director that Did poor things . That did poor things which wonma stone her second oscar . Yes , but I I got to admit something . That's really not good . I tapped out of that . I was watching poor things and for people who don't know it's about , it's like the bride of frankenstein .
Yeah , they bring Emma , emma Stone back to life and all she wants to do is have sex right and she's nude half of the film . It's disturbing right right .
So , all right , let let's not get too deep into that yet . So , yorgos Lanthimos ? Right , he's a Greek filmmaker . Um , he wrote the co , wrote this with ep . I'm gonna try this . Epthemis philippou . All right , I know I have that right because I heard it pronounced . Okay , uh , the cast is starring emma stone , jesse plemmons , who we love .
Uh , willem defoe , margaret , is it ? Quali , margaret quali ? I think right , she was in , uh , once upon a time in hollywood , the tarantino film . Uh , and hong chow , that's like your main cast of characters and as you said , conceptually it's an interesting idea , right they ?
they play different characters in these three different vignettes basically , and there's there's a relationship between each one right now . I had not seen poor things and I hadn't seen any other of yorgos's films , so I wasn't really familiar with his style of filmmaking , because there's more than just what you pointed out .
I mean lobster , yeah , lobster , killing of a sacred bizarre , etc so , anyways , um , there's something in in the the the way the characters speak , right there's like this stilted dialogue that he's known for . Um , the way that he shoots , right , the composition that you know you can tell it's his film you can . However , I watched this twice , mike .
However , I watched this twice Mike twice and I've seen poor things and I've seen most of killing of a sacred deer .
So I did a dive into his film , I guess , and I will say my first pass through this film , as I told you , I was just beside myself the whole time the , the dissonant music and that , that , that , that type of speech , everything was like grading on me . It was giving me anxiety watching it .
Yeah , can you relate to that ? I can . I had you know , I think I told you in the email after I watched the first segment and I wasn't sure whether or not to keep going , and I think I told you . I said I think this is a cross between Stanley Kubrick and Wes Anderson . Yet the humor did not work for me , the dark humor it was too dark .
The things that were intended to be funny weren't correct , except for one exception when Emma Stone does a victory dance in the third film . I thought that was funny , but that had been shown to death . I hadn't seen it .
Oh , I had seen it leading up to the film . I didn't realize like , if you look , poor Things and Kinds of Kindness are only four months apart in terms of their release date . Poor Things that came out in February and that to date worldwide has done about $117.6 million on an estimated budget of about $35 million .
But the budget on Kinds of Kindness kindness was about 15 million Again , it's estimated , and worldwide . What does it made ? 14.7 million . It opened less than $400,000 .
I know it's a very art house kind of film , correct , correct , and it showed up very quick to streaming , which was should have been my , my first hint .
Maybe this isn't a good pick it's , uh , it was filmed in louisiana , uh , and , as you said , the three , the three again , it's an anthology . You should get these three vignettes that that play out . I don't know if you can . Really , I don't think it's , we even need to go in and describe each one of them .
I think it's really more like thematically right , the different themes that are being covered throughout . I think it's we even need to go in and describe each one of them . I think it's really more like thematically right , the different themes that are being covered throughout . I think that's really what his films are about , right , it's .
It's all of these themes that you can relate to , but he presents them in such a bizarre and absurd fantastical way , bordering on like poor things gets into like some sci-fi , fantasy stuff with the world building and and so forth .
So all of the things , like we mentioned , the , the , the dialogue and the dissonant music , which was um jerskin fendrix , who did the music for poor things too , so you got a lot of the same collaborators . He was a stone , of course .
This is her third film with him and they're already in production on another film , wow called colin colin farrell has worked with him on two films sacred deer and lobster right both bizarre films , I mean he's worked with all the top cammin yep , so um , but I went back around and gave it a second watch , wow , and my reaction to it was different .
I hated it less and here's what was going through , you know , because I wanted to make sure I wanted to come back and try to be as objective as I could , right , and not just write this guy off because of some .
What I felt , at least the first go around , and I still believe this the gratuitous sex , uh right , this was just it was like shock for the sake of shock .
Good luck sitting down with any family members and watching this film I was gonna say , if we were in any kind of disagreement , I was gonna ask you , would you sit and watch this with your girl ?
there's there's n credits , you know , after each of the three segments yeah , and at one point at the end of the first one it's like dogs , I mean . It's just so well .
That was the second one where emma stone admits she comes from a place that dogs are in charge correct , which control is one of his themes throughout she was supposedly stranded on an island , correct ?
and then she talks about this dream she had well , I think , while she was there about , like you said , the dogs are in charge , and so it sets up that kind of metaphor .
But I started to think of this mike , I started to think of david memet , I started to think of steven soderbergh kubrick , who you mentioned , and the second time through I thought I had a lot more respect for , like , I'm not going to deny the guy's ability to , um , you know , frame a scene and his shot composition and or the acting .
The acting is .
I have no problem with the acting uh , I got a little problem with not in this one , not in this film . I agree with that . Um , so I shouldn't . I don't want to deviate too much , but I have to go back to poor things having just seen it right . Um , mark ruffalo was terrible in that movie , terrible and I don't even remember him .
That's because I tapped out of it okay , yeah he was a main character in the film , but um , but I came to appreciate that the music seemed to grate on me a little less . As you said , the acting started to take over , because the performances are undeniable . Yeah I have no problem with the performances especially . I have to say we're biased .
But again for me , plemons , yeah , steals the show and every scene that he's in he steals the scene and he gets his actors to do very .
They have to be uncomfortable filming some of these sequences like I kept thinking about that and poor things how emma stone was nude through most of the film right in like hardcore .
I mean this . This makes game of thrones look like sesame street .
Yeah , and and plemons want to watch like self-created , and the sexual perversion is another theme well , yeah , they , he exactly they're .
They're like swapping couple , you know swapping partners and whatnot , right ? So , and , and that , and , and , and . That's the thing . Yorgos deals with a lot of these taboo topics , right ? He's definitely not afraid to do that . I mean rape and um uh , subjugation , deceit , love .
You haven't seen one down right .
I haven't seen the lobster , no lobster .
The premise is you have 45 days . You go to this retreat and you have 45 days to find a mate to get married . If not , you get put in an animal's form , which colin ferrell picked lobster .
So just me saying that sounds bizarre which is why and you're more into sci-fi fantasy than I am so it's interesting that you tapped out of of yes yes and I stuck it out the entire way and when she won I was like whoa and see , I don't get that , I don't get that . That to me is not now who I forget who else was up this past year ?
Yeah , that to me is not an oscar-winning performance . I think it seemed that to me is not now who I forget who else was up this past year ? Yeah , that to me is not an oscar winning performance . I think it seemed that to me either .
No , it's , it was . I thought her performance in this was better yeah , I agree with that than what I saw , you know and and there's no denying that this is one of those movies that you think about . You know like these themes get in your head and you start thinking through them and I wrote down like key relationships , control .
There's a control over each one , right ? Uh ? Dependence um sexual perversion shock right no free will right . These characters act like they have no free will they have to do . And two of them what willem dafoe says ? Right you know , and the third one's more like a cult film .
You know I and speaking of dafoe , I think that would be a reason to stick it out with poor things . To me he's he's the best thing about that film . But um , yeah , I I was again at first . I'm like this is so overly esoteric , self-involved , it .
Just I'm like this is a guy that just wanted to , wanted you to know that he went to film school and he just regurgitated all the stuff , all the tricks and things he'd learned . But again , after a second run through , I had a different take on it .
I really did . I couldn't see myself giving this a second run through Well the material isn't easy to watch , for sure .
Right , it's not an uplifting film , but some of the little connections he made .
And again you really got to pay attention . Like Jesse Plemons has this purple suit in the first leg of this trilogy , turtleneck right , and he looks kind of funky and and he had lost weight .
You could tell he lost weight and willem dafoe's character says you're too thin , you gotta eat a lot of weight yeah and then in the third trilogy , that same purple , is emma stone driving a car , a mustang . That's the exact same shade of awkward purple that I don't think exists right , right , except maybe the joker's outfit .
But yeah , you know , I was thinking of things like um , that was the thing I'm like okay , is this ? Is this avant-garde or have we seen this before ?
And that's why I listed off all of those things that started coming like Eyes Wide Shut , sex Lies and Videotape came to mind , which was helping me respect him more in what he did with this film than I did the first time through , because if you think of I mentioned this stilted dialogue , this very specific way that his characters speak , and it can be comical
at times sex eyes and videotape has a lot of that too . Right , you go back and watch that with james spader , and .
But you know none of like kubrick's film eyes wide shut . I consider a great work of art this , although he steals the music like note for note . I swear the piano notes ding , ding . It was like , okay , he's trying to do Kubrick here . Some of it is just so shocking and offensive , just for shock's sake .
I just that's how I felt . Yeah , I don't think it needed to be that vulgar , that gratuitous Right .
I think it could have got these themes across of control and free will without some of the shocking stuff .
I don't think I can look at Emma Stone the same way again .
Well , that's how I felt when I watched Poor Things . I'm like I don't want to watch any more of this because I like her too much .
And I learned two things , two things . This because I like her too much . And I learned two things , two things . I don't want to see willem defoe nude and I don't want to see him in any sexual situation whatsoever like that . If I don't see those two things ever again in my life , I'll be a happy camper .
But and burned into my memory is him and jesse plemons swapping tongues , and this is oh god , that's that says enough , right there that's not a good match there .
That's not a good match but the you know it's not even sensual or erotic or anything like that , it's just crude it feels , as you said right then , are where ?
right that's the difference with eyes wide shut is , although there's a lot of sex in that , it's , it's not , you know , just for the sake of it , it's to set up these big and listen speaking of free will , I mean , you know emma stone , you know she takes the role or these roles and and does this so , but at a certain point it's kind of like this
objectification that it's just sort of uncomfortable to to bear witness to , I don't know . You know what I thought of too , again the first time through . I was making all these notes , like this mfr , and I was mad at you and all this right feelings . I was feeling , which , which I know is the point right , I understand that's the point . It's due this film .
All the vignettes are supposed to keep you feeling a bit off balance . Not only the music , but the way he shoots . He shoots up a lot .
And seeing the credits roll after the first one like 50 minutes . You're like wait a second and then all of a sudden cuts right it's a harsh switch right and the second one . The second film ends so abruptly without any explanation of why he ended it that way yeah it was just a little bizarre .
Maybe this is the point , this is your right point . You know this dialogue , but and it's art Again , it's art , right , so you take from it what you want . But I thought about remember the skit on Saturday Night Live with it was who's the who's the actor from Will and Grace ? Who's on the smartless podcast with um , uh , will arnett ?
oh , I know who you're talking about . You don't talk about his name .
Oh it's terrible , but um , he's uh , our audience will know who I'm trying to sean hayes , sean hayes , that sean hayes ? He , um , it was him jimmy fallon and will ferrell , and they did this skit where hayes and Fallon were working at this real , you know , this bourgeois kind of boutique or something .
Yeah , and Will Ferrell comes in and it's just this very kind of overly eccentric situation and each is trying to outdo the other with their eccentricities or whatever , and at one point Will Ferrell pulls out a cell phone . It's like a tic tac yeah , I remember that it's it's a , it's a flip phone and he they work at a clothing store .
They work at a clothing store right and it just that the vibe of that is what this was making me think like this guy is just trying to show hey look what I can do as a filmmaker , right .
But again I felt and there's something to be said when the quality of acting is so good and and so big but he , why are they ?
doing this .
He is a good filmmaker , though I mean he really and and I don't you know if it's borrowed from that's there's no originality anymore everybody lobster , you could say it's not original , because there was another film , walrus , which was very similar , where the main character transforms into a walrus lobster . I see the humor and Colin Farrell's performance here .
I didn't get it and again I thought he was just .
Well , I think Well , I don't know , because I haven't seen that particular film , but I think it's this juxtaposition right . It's so dark , the material in most of these films that you're not really expecting humor . It kind of comes out of nowhere and you're like am I supposed to laugh at this ? Right right , am I not supposed to laugh at this ?
you know . So , like emma stone feels like you know she resolved her conflict and goes into this victory dance a little premature . But and then the guy did you watch after the end credits ? Because there's the character I know . I wrote his name down rm rmf .
Yeah , the character that has his moniker , older guy right at the very end , though they're all titled with him in it , like rmf flies , rmf eats , and then the last one after it finishes . If you wait for the credits , he's like at this taco stand . And right , I saw it . Yeah , he drips like some sauce he almost like squirts it on himself on purpose .
Again , it's the absurdity of again the juxtaposition right of what we just witnessed , right With this very kind of inane sort of like the guys you see , humorous moment .
Yeah , but I think you said the perfect word . I think he was going after absurdity just for absurdity's sake . I did .
I did Like he has some of the cast , that he has the cast , uh , that he has I it . I get the impression that these are folks that haven't been acting long , or maybe haven't acted at all in some cases , or they're just that good where there's this real , strong sense of realism in these characters .
There's a , there's a bartender in one of the vignettes that jesse plemmons keeps going to , and there's just something about the way the performance that that actor delivers is so natural and so yes and I think that that grounds the film , when everything around it is , like you said , so absurd .
Right , it's just , it's a very again and we don't know what that bartender is going to do , whether he's going to do what Plemons says or deny him again the control , or do what Willem . Dafoe is clearly a narcissist and wants to control everything , from what he eats to when he has sex , to everything .
Yeah , to the point that he writes it down . Okay , it's 730 .
Have sex with your wife and he drills Plemons on Did you do this then , did you do this then ? And if Plemons gives the wrong answer , he goes in the doghouse , right . And if Plemons gives the wrong answer , he goes in the doghouse .
Right , which none of that means anything except to support the themes that you know Yorgos is trying to get across Right Now . I don't know what we make of this , but I want to get you . We always bring this up , so I want to get your take on it . But IMDB , as of right now , this has a meta score of 64 .
It feels a little high for me .
Feels high okay .
Feels a little high because , honestly , if I didn't tell you to watch it , I would have never brought it up , I would have never even said so , I wouldn't say after watching it , I wouldn't say say , hey , check this out .
And I was so angry that by the time you sent me the email going hey , I think maybe we should not pivot you . Yeah , and I was like you . I'm in . I'm already right halfway .
I could tell I was like you finished it because I hadn't finished the third vignette . Yeah , I was done I was done , but you had wrote back that I'm done . I was like , oh yeah , I said I already watched the film , but you didn't let on no how you felt about it . So I was like maybe he liked it .
Well , look it I . I had a second .
I can't believe you watched it a second time I don't think I could take a second watching . I think you should at some point go back to it other than to pick up on some of the things like the , the purple suit and the . You know the things that if you juxtapose , you know put them in juxtaposition .
Compare the , the two now the you know the nudity and the sexual content in in this . I didn't find it as bothersome and we're no prudes . But I didn't find it as bothersome and we're no prudes , but I find it as bothersome as poor things was just too much well , there's the one scene .
There's a rape scene in it which bothered me well , that's true , that's right .
Thank you for bringing that up yeah , that was really . That was really disturbing that was very .
you know it was a husband , that's right . But her wife belongs to this cult and he follows their rules .
He played it out very well , because you don't really know up until that . You're like is he , is this , yeah , is he doing what I think he's doing ? And that's Joe Alwyn , who , again , he's in all three vignettes as different characters . He plays her husband in that one , but the guy that you're talking about , that RMF that's in it .
His first name is Yorgos as well , so he must be a fellow , you know , from Greece , I guess . But so the Rotten Tomatoes again , we don't give that as much weight , but the critics have it at 72% , which is more where I am now at the second . Look , the popcorn meter , formerly known as the audience score . Yeah , 48% , see , that's probably where you are .
Yeah , yeah , because let me ask you , would you recommend this Bill ?
It depends on who it was . It depends on who it was .
That's what the score does for me . If it's below a five , I'm not going to recommend it .
I would , with a disclaimer right , because I think if it's somebody I know who appreciates filmmaking , right , then I think I would Right If it's more of a casual moviegoer . No , I don't think I'm going to certainly not watch it with the family . Please don't do that .
He yeah Right , don't get the wife and kids up and say , hey , no , because the title's deceiving . Right Minds of kindness .
Yeah , what is this going to be ? What does he mean ? She's not contaminated anymore . But I have I have to say I have more respect for him as a filmmaker now , but that's not again . I still have a problem with his what I think is an overuse of the sex and the shock factor .
Yeah , it's just it . It bored , it was crude , it was crude . You know it's bizarre . When you did the money figures , I think poor things did the money because Emma stone won the Oscar .
I think I . I would like to look at that .
That was a catalyst for people to watch it .
Do you think a lot of the earnings was post academy awards ?
that's I . I will go back and look at that . That's interesting because I think it must be , because look at , look at his , this film , kinds of kindness , right .
Same director , same cast but it's also make any money . But , as you said , it also was in the theater for a very short time right , there's got to be a reason for that .
Although how long was poor things in the theater ?
well , but the budget , it's not a big budget film , right ? So you're talking , uh , quite a different . It's like poor things was twice the budget of this . So yeah , I it might not have intended to be anything but , like I said , little art housey film and then it goes right to streaming right you know , and fans of his .
It's more of the same right . It's more of the absurd it's more of the crazy so maybe they're gonna like it , but I cannot recommend it and the killing of a sacred deer .
So far I'm enjoying it minds me . It has like an the ice storm vibe to it . Yeah , we love you know that I haven't finished that one either .
I that's the one with the cole kidman in it right and colin farrell again and barry keegan that's right as well .
That's right , yeah , so you can see where that would be a little lighter a little bit , but it's uh , but uh , it doesn't take long to look and say , yeah , this is one of his films . Like you said , he's got his own kind , even though he's probably it's an uh , an amalgamation of different influences .
Right , yeah , as everything is at this point , but , um , but I he is a good filmmaker .
If you're super open-minded and and I've mentioned all the themes I think that are relevant and you want to see something with those themes , maybe check it out . Otherwise I've got to say pass .
I know people that are very open-minded who've seen this and they have the same feeling . They're kind of bothered by the same stuff . It's disturbing . They were kind of bothered by the same stuff .
It's disturbing . I mean it's disturbing that just lemons is mourning his wife being lost and wants to watch a sex tape where they switch partners . I mean that's bizarre . It is just to be bizarre .
Right , right . But again , that's the point here . Right , so you could say he is doing things . I mean , do we ? What other filmmakers can you name off the top of your head that are presenting content in this kind of way right now ?
Yeah , no , he's definitely not that he's the only one , but , yeah , he's a unique director that people who like him are going to like this , probably because it's shot Well , it's well acted .
I would like to see what else he can do , like I'll go back a little further into his resume , but yeah , because killing of a sacred deer seems like a little bit now . That's prior to , that's like 2017 or something , but right , so I would like to see , like this begonia , I think , is um , if , if I can pull it up , it's uh , is that the ?
one that's coming yes , it's an emma stone is in that again yeah , here she's got to really trust him begonia maker two oh , she does , she said as much because she puts herself .
They have a really difficult spots they have a .
They have a , you know , kind of a second hand . Two conspiracy obsessed young men kidnap the high-powered ceo of a major company , convinced that she's an alien intent on destroying planet earth . That might be more up your alley . Maybe you know that description she must be the more sci-fi-ish . She must be the corporate ceo . That obviously , yeah .
Well , anything else to say about kinds of kindness ? I think I would say listen to us .
We're trying to be kind .
Don't watch this this is a kind of kindness to this film . Yeah , it's uh , maybe a little bit of a backward kindness , so you , you don't recommend it at all .
I might recommend it to people who are real art house people . But then again , you know , film noir is art house . That's what I think of as art house .
This is just so bizarre , Okay , but think about some of the scenes from the shining .
Think about you know there's certainly but nothing that shocked me to this , to the sense that this did nothing , that I looked at and was like oh , you know like poor things . I did not want to see emma stone nude all the time .
Uh tell you that , what ? That one is a lot harder to hang with than this . Yeah , this is an easy watch compared to that ?
wow . That makes me think I made the right choice .
I mean this really . I could watch this a third time , no problem , and I don't know , how do you win the oscar ? In a film like that that I don't know , I really don't , and and again will love emma stone . She's great . She's great . Yeah , but Willem Dafoe was the best thing about that film . He gave a really solid performance in that .
But yeah , it's not an easy watch .
He was like the Dr Frankenstein character , so yes , correct , so tell us what you guys think .
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Correct comments and if you see it because of us , don't send us hate you correct again , we're . I'm recommending it with a disclaimer , little caveat , that , right , you know , if you're like mike said you got an open mind , you're not easily offended , right , and you're a cinephile then this is going to be probably something you want to check out .
If you haven't seen it .
Yeah , I think the meta score . There was some pretty high scores . So I just glanced at it , but to get to 64 it needed some 80s and 90s yeah but I can't , I can't , good conscious , recommend this film yeah , all right .
Well , it's a bit of a split decision , but I , you can't , you can't say I didn't give it a fair shake .
Oh man I can't believe you rewatched yeah , and I think now that you have and appreciate certain things , I think you'll like Lobster for the humor .
I'm enjoying Killing of a Sacred Deer . So far , I'm liking that one . I'm looking forward to finishing that one off . But well , there you go . Nothing else to say about that one . So there you go . Kinds of kindness For those of you that are not currently following us . What are you doing ? Why are you not following us , please ? Is it dance language ?
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Yeah , but that's going to do it for another episode of the oh brother podcast . When your host , dan smith , lines . I'm , as always , my brother from the same mother , mike smith , and we will see you next time . Bye everyone .