Second Drink: Weight Loss, Part 2

Welcome to your second drink of Weight Loss Part 2. Jenna, you had a soapbox in this episode.

We got this letter from Tara M. Jenna, I just wanted you to know that I was so with you today on part two when you talked about all the hate Pam gets. It's absolutely 100% sexism. Thank you so much for saying so. I support you and love you both so much. Well, thank you, Tara. I am aware that my soapbox from this episode created A lot of debate of people arguing back and forth, but I think I help some people see things in a new way.

And now, you know, fifteen years later, people are really seeing the Jim Pam situation a little differently. You know, some of the things that were seen as romantic fifteen years ago. They hit a little different now. Like maybe it's not so romantic to surprise your wife by buying a house. Maybe it's not neat to invest your savings and take a job out of town at a startup without telling her when you have two small kids whose care is all gonna fall to her.

Say that out loud. That's like, what? You took our savings. You got a job out of town. You did like we didn't. We're like an insecure startup. And he doesn't tell her for what

It's like Daryl has to convince him to be like, Are you gonna tell Pam, like we're leaving for Philly soon? Like, when are you gonna bring her in the loop? So I think it's hitting a little differently now with this younger generation that's watching the office. And Those folks are like, um, I think maybe Pam's right to be a little grumpy. Yeah. It's not unsupportive right to be annoyed that your partner did something.

But yeah, when the episode first aired, I got a lot of shit for it. And it reminds me too, I recently did a rewatch of Breaking Bad. Do you remember when Breaking Bad first came out and a gun? The actress who played Skylar White, you know, married to Walter White. She got a lot of sh for like How hurt and upset she was that her husband was becoming a methamphetamine drug kingpin. She didn't have space in her heart for that.

Like, and it's interesting because when I rewatched it, I was like, oh my God, she was. I I like I thought her just her performance is just like spot on. Could you imagine? Could you imagine? But everybody was so dazzled by the charismatic Walter White. They were pissed that she wasn't more supportive.

That's so wild. Okay, so I also talked about an amazing deleted scene with Ryan getting yelled at by David Wallace. David is so mad when he calls and Ryan answers the phone. You know, Ryan was stealing from the company. What the hell? Now he's answering the phones again? There's this great scene with Michael on the phone with David. And I brought it up in our breakdown. It's been added back to the Superfan episode, and I just wanted everyone to hear it.

I want him out of the building now, Michael, the man stole from the company. Allegedly. No, not allegedly. As part of his plea, he admitted his guilty. Allegedly admitted his guilt. Listen, David. I I know Ryan. Michael He is good people. He made a huge, huge error. Um, I just I think he needs direction, that's all. Uh I'm tired, Michael. Me too. Yeah, okay. You really want to go out on a limb for this guy? You really want to vouch for this? All my heart, yes.

He can't talk to clients, he can't sell. If he so much as sniffs whiteout, it's on you. Woo, on me. What do I have to do with it? I mean, this guy's a criminal record. I think that's a little excessive. He's like... Whoa, wait. Wait on me. Yes, Michael, you brought him back. Amen. It's so good. And Andy Buckley's so great in that scene. Well listen, I have one last letter to share. It's from Megan M who says, Hey, I found a little error in the last office ladies episode.

Jenna and Angela said that Kelly had the same nameplate that she was gifted in the office Christmas party episode, but upon looking at it, it's a different plate. The one in the Christmas episode Is purple with seven orange, blue, and pink stemless daisy-ish flowers. But the plate on her desk in this episode is different. It's metallic and there are only two red flowers with stems, so it's a floral plate, but not the same one that was gifted to her in Christmas party.

Well, lady, you know what I did. You know I did. Look, there it is. It's different. Oh my goodness. Megan, you're so right. Clearly, there is a theme here, and that is fancy font with flowers, but they're totally different. Totally different. And Megan, thank you for giving me the opportunity to do a side by side, which you know is one of my favorite things.

All right, you guys, here is your second drink of weight loss part two. And I'm Angela Kinsey. on the office together. We're best friends. And now Each week we will break down an episode of The Office and give exclusive behind the scenes stories that only two Who were there can tell. Hey gang, how's it going? Howdy! Is weight loss part two. Season five. Yeah. This is the second part of our season five premiere. It was written by Lee Eisenberg and Gene Stabnitsky and directed by Paul Feig.

Hit us with a summary. All right. Well, you might remember last week we set up that Dunder Mifflin is doing a company-wide weight loss contest. That contest continues. It's really causing some division among the employees. R. Ryan returns to Scranton. He's a temp again. Michael hires him to fill in at reception for Pam, who is off at Pratt.

She's, you know, doing art school. Mm-hmm. Now Michael is very slowly still pursuing Holly. Dwight and Angela are continuing to hook up in the warehouse behind Andy's back, and Jim has an important question for Pam. All right. Fast fact number one. Paul Fieg directed this episode and he also had a much larger role overall in season five. Paul was with us for every single episode of season five. He was, and he was amazing. He was this great constant I don't know!

Jenny was like he was like the man of the ship. He was like guiding us along the way. Having him on set always just made me feel better. I'm with you. I loved it. You remember last week we talked about how Greg Daniels was now working on both the office and he was trying to get Parks and Rec off the ground. Mm-hmm. He had groomed Jen Salada and Paul Lieberstein to run the show.

They were overseeing the writing of the show. They were running the writer's room. While Paul Feig was brought on as a supervising director and co-executive producer to oversee the onset production and to oversee all of our directors. 'Cause we had a lot of new directors in season five, including some cast members and crew members and even some of our writers. They all directed their first episode.

Paul was also in the writer's room a bit, but mostly he was like the tastemaker, right? He was like one of these original visionaries. What? What is a taste maker? I mean I don't know, but I think a tastemaker is like you Set the taste in the Of Did you make up that word? No taste makers are real words. Well, maybe if you're like running a winery But you can be like a taste maker like is the same as like um I think you made it up. Well I didn't. You can Google it.

I can't believe you're getting out your phone right now to Google it. This is unbelievable. Taste maker is a real word. Yeah. Yes, thank you, Sam. It's like a trendsetter. Okay. Tasemaker. Okay. According to the English language learner's definition, a person whose judgment about what is good, fashionable, etc., are accepted and followed by many other people. That's right. He was a tastemaker.

He was a tastemaker. He was. It was his job to control the quality of the show. If you know, he said yes to jokes and no to other jokes because of his good taste. I know this is getting us off so early. I really want to know the origin of this word. Like where did the word tastemaker come from? Was that the person that like tried the food for the king? And if he didn't die, okay, fine, we'll all eat what that guy had? I don't know, but I think you should deep dive it for a revisit advantage.

Fine. I do. Okay, Paul Feag was the tastemaker. Wow, you know what just happened there, Angela? What? You just got real hot and bothered with me. You did. That is not hot and bothered. That is perplexed and curious. And you were right there. You were right. You were right. You were real. You were right. Real hot to try. That means wanting sex. I know what that means now. All right. Well listen.

I talked to Greg Daniels about it and he said that this was a big push that he had to make with the network. In particular, Jerry DeCanio, the head of production at Universal. because our show had been functioning just fine without someone in this role before. But Greg explained he was often called down to set to discuss the shooting or the motivations with the actors and directors, and he wanted to make sure that that would still be covered.

while he was gone. And they eventually agreed. And I traded some messages with Paul Feag about this too. Mm. And he even sent in an audio clip. Ooh, Paul Fig, all the way from London. It was such a fun year because You know, to be around you guys and the cast every day and to be in that writer's room with uh that amazing group of writers was just such a a special opportunity. Yeah, I got to direct a lot of episodes that season, but also

It was just fun to kind of be with all these um other people who were starting to direct and seeing how how great they were doing. It was so fun to be with Steve when he directed his first episode and Brent Forrester did a great job and Dave Rogers, we had so much fun. Uh and so that was kind of my experience of

of the fifth season was being around everybody so much, but also just kinda getting to see the show through a lot of fresh eyes of these new directors or people coming on and doing it for the first time. Well, I wanna say that Paul also directed five episodes himself this season. And when we were trading messages, Angela he said he loved his time on season five so much that he wanted to send us audio clips for every single episode of season five. Get out!

I was like, Paul, you're busy. You're directing a movie right now in London. I mean, you don't have to do that. And he said, Well, I'll do as many as I can. So, guys, get ready. Get ready for should it be figopedia or polypedia? Pulpfigapedia!

All right, fast fact number two is an art school location breakdown. We didn't do this last week. We're gonna see more of art school this week, so I thought it was appropriate. Okay. Fan question from Yavet and Rachel, where were the New York City art school scenes shot? I will tell you. Mm-hmm. Everything was shot at USC, the University of Southern California. The classrooms were empty classrooms on campus that our set decorators dressed.

Even the dorm room was a USC dorm room. The hallways, when Jim's watching TV in the common room, we were basically all on campus. The only thing we didn't do on campus, and we talked about this last week. was when Jim and Pam are video chatting. They recreated my dorm room on that warehouse set of Dunder Mifflin. Well, I have one other thing to share about the USC campus, but I am gonna save it when it comes up in the episode.

Well, all right. Mm-hmm. I have one fun thing to share about the real Pratt, which is in Brooklyn. Mm-hmm. That's where Pam's meant to be. We got a letter. From Mila S., who is a student at Pratt and she said this. There is a communal cat population living on campus called Pratt Cat. They have their own little houses and they wander the lecture halls and the campus freely. If you're ever in New York I highly recommend you visit the campus, along with its sculptures and cats roaming the ground.

Angela, the cats even have their own Instagram page, and it's called Pratt Cats. Pratt cats that's so cute. Two T's for Pratt and two T's for Kat. Rat cats. Prat cats. I looked at it. It's just a lot of super cute pictures of cats. I wanna see it. Oh my gosh, there's so many. Yeah. I wonder who does the Instagram. There's so many cats. I think we should put this on our list. We should.

All right, fast fact number three, we've got a big guest star alert. It's Rich Summer, as Pam's art school friend Alex. Yes! And we are friends with Rich. We're like really good friends with Rich. He needs to come on. Well he's refused. No he has not. We are gonna have him on. You guys, Rich is probably most well known for his role as Harry Crane on Mad Men, but he's also acted in such shows as Wet Hot American Summer, the TV series. as well as many movies with office connections. Oh yeah.

He was in The Devil Wears Prada starring Emily Blunt. He was in Celeste and Jesse Forever starring Rashida Jones. And he was in The Giant Mechanical Man starring me. Yay. He is also supposedly real life friends with Nicholas Degosto, aka Hunter. We're gonna have to ask him about that when he comes on the show. Oh yeah, we have lots to ask him. We do.

Jenna, as you remember from last week, there is a fantastic DVD commentary for weight loss. It's an all-crew DVD commentary. I have more to share from that in this week's weight loss part two, as well as I reached out to Joya Balfour. Do you guys remember Joya? She has contributed information on the podcast before. She worked on the digital team at nbc.com and she has some fun Andy Angela wedding stuff that she shared with me, as well as one little surprise, but we'll get to it.

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We are back and a friendly Ryan has returned to Dunder Mifflin Scranton. There is a deleted scene, Jenna. that the camera catches Ryan being dropped off to work by his mother She's driving a station wagon. She pulls up, he hops out with a little sack lunch, and he starts to go in the building. And she rolls down the window and honks her horn. And he runs back and gives her a kiss on the cheek.

And then he runs in the building. Wow. If this tells you where Ryan is at at life, he's back living at home, and his mom is driving him to work. Wow. He's also grown a goatee. Mm-hmm. And this now explains why Michael has had a goatee, because he says, Michael, did you grow that goatee after you saw mine when you helped me move?

Oh remember, these goatees are not real. Hair and makeup put them on. I thought they did a fantastic job. And Michael has a talking head that explains that he hired Ryan off the temp agency. Yeah. He said Ronnie was very blah and he told the temp agency, I don't care what it costs me, I have to have him. I have to have Ryan Howard. People don't know how to react to Ryan being back. Kevin is excited, runs over, gives him a noogie.

Which starts a great runner, and Jenna, there was more in the deleted scenes, of Ryan having these talking heads where he's putting everyone who's wronged him on his list. Yeah. He explains that he's making a list. Of everyone who wrongs him, so that when he is back up on the top, he can get his revenge.

Yeah, and Kevin just made the list. Also, who makes the list is David Wallace in a deleted scene. David Wallace calls, Ryan answers, and David flips out, starts berating Ryan. You can hear it, you know, through the phone. Yeah. So much so that Ryan cries and Michael vouches for Ryan and David Wallace does not want him there, but agrees. And so now David Wallace has made the list. And Jenna, I couldn't help myself. You know what this made me think of? Well What? Game of Thrones.

Oh, somebody has a list? I didn't get that far. Arya Stark has a kill list for everyone who's wronged her. Can we take a minute, everybody, if you haven't seen Game of Thrones and you don't want spoilers, just I don't know, fast forward thirty seconds. Angela, what I started Game of Thrones, I never finished it, I'm never going to finish it. Really? Will you just tell me, does Arya ever kill? She f kills everybody.

She does, she kills everybody and she kills the biggest baddie. And I don't want to ruin it in case someone didn't fast forward, but she kinda saves the whole world. I'll just say that. That is kind of a spoiler. That was the only thing that was kinda keeping me there was that I saw the potential in her character. Mm-hmm. Yeah, she follows through. Well that's good to know. Mm-hmm.

Continuing Ryan's list, Ryan apologizes to Jim. Right? Jim shakes his hand. And now are you ready for some Jim Sass? Oh it's so good though. Ready? Ryan says, Jim, I want to apologize for how I treated you last year. He goes on to explain all the things he feels sorry for. And he said, you know, he's even started volunteering. He's giving back to the community. And Jim goes, well, that's great. You're talking about your court ordered community service.

And Ryan says, I don't need a judge to tell me to keep my community clean. And then Jim goes, but he did, right? And Ryan goes, All right. And Jim goes, All right. So much gemsass cried. And then there's just a silent Ryan talking head where he's staring down the lens of the camera and he's clearly writing Jim Halbert in his list. Yeah. Which I love.

It's time for another weigh in on the giant scale that was custom made for our show we learned last week. There is a zero pound weight loss. People are really starting to melt down. Mm-hmm. 22 minutes 59 seconds. Did anyone catch that Meredith's face is back to normal? Oh I didn't catch that. No more sunburn on Meredith. I'll tell you we had Aaron M write in and say during that moment of the weigh in, Michael does this bird like flapping move. Yes, I love it.

And she says it's literally my favorite moment in the whole show. She wants to know if Steve improvised that. Yes, that was not scripted. That was Steve's take on his character's frustration. I loved it so much. At twenty-three minutes, twenty-one seconds, Andy has a talking head. He says, this is the hardest thing he's ever had to do and you know, he hasn't had a very hard life.

Ding ding ding! This was a digitally corrected shirt and tie. Once again, we talked about this in the episode previously, Weight Loss One. that the writers wanted to move around some of Andy's talking heads and to match his outfits for continuity, they had to go in and post production, change the color of his tie and his shirt. I mean it just blows my mind still. I know.

Some other things that happen in the scene are that Holly tells Oscar that her date went well with his yoga instructor and Michael overhears and then he blames Jim. Because he thinks Jim's bad advice has landed him in the friend zone with Holly. Mm-hmm. And then we move upstairs. Yeah. Dwight is really mad. He doesn't think everyone's taking this seriously. He randomly selects Stanley, Phyllis, and Kevin and tells them to get liposuction on their own dime. Yeah, they have to pay for it. Yeah.

Orion. Then goes to apologize to Kelly. And now we have some Kelly Sass. Oh, it's so satisfying. It's so much Ryan, come on. I wish she could have stuck to it. I know. It's so good. He's like, Hey, should we, you know, grab a drink later, catch up? And then he says, Pick me up at eight, right? He's trying to do his old shenanigans with her and she goes, That is so sweet. But I'm dating Daryl still and we're like crazy in love, so

And he goes, Oh cool, well maybe I'll see you around. And Kelly goes, It's a small office. Yeah. Did you notice on her desk? What? She had her little nameplate from the first Christmas party. Yes, I did see that with the flower. Mm-hmm. I thought that was so cute. I did too. Dwight's gonna apologize to Phyllis for telling her she should get liposuction on her own dime. He says, I'm gonna make it up to you. I have a sale, but it requires two people. Mm-hmm. Will you go with me? big sale oh yeah

Yeah, it's a sure thing. Yeah. I'll give you 40%. I'll split it with you 60-40. He says he'll drive. She's like, all right. And then of course Kelly needs to have this really odd, forced makeout session with Daryl in front of Ryan on purpose. But I want you to know, Jenna, at twenty six minutes, twelve seconds, you get a really good shot of Ryan's like his phone earpiece, headset thingy. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. According to Randy Cordre, our line producer.

There was a lengthy discussion about which ear headset Ryan should use. He said Phil Shea like brought over a tray. He said it looked like 12 to 20. Like that Sounds right. Right. Different Persions for them to pick out. That sounds about right. Yeah. They picked a real douchey one, so good job guys.

Let's go to the break room. Jim is having lunch with Michael and Holly. Two things here. Mm-hmm. Continuity catch. I don't know if you noticed, but Michael suddenly does not have a goatee. Oh. Oh yes, they were having issues keeping track. And also there are a lot of fruit flies in the vending machine.

Well, lady, I think it's time for a fruit fly breakdown. Oh please. Angela, we got a lot of mail about the fruit flies. Hit me with your questions because I have some answers. People wanted to know if they were real, were they CGI? I remember Jean Stopnitsky told me they were real, and they even had a fruit fly wrangler. They were real, let me tell you everything I learned about them in the DVD commentary. First of all, this whole bit cost thousands of dollars.

All right, these fruit flies were from the Florida fruit fly growers. And they were bred specifically for this episode. These type of fruit flies are a sterile type of fruit fly, and they are bred for Florida citrus farms. According to Kelly Cantley, they have a very specific breeding cycle, so they had to schedule the fruit flies to be released on a specific day. And Randy, Randy said we had fruit flies for weeks. I remember them. I do too. Yeah.

Yeah, I guess even though they couldn't mate, a lot of'em they really lived beyond their life cycle. Yeah. In addition to these fruit flies breeding schedule that we had to plan around, Jenna Vilshay had to time out rotting fruit over the course of eight weeks. Oh my god. This fruit had to go through stages of rotting. He had a table set up on our sound stage full of fruit and different stages of rotting for this scene. Lady, I was just about to say that. As you said that

A memory came flooding back into my head of this giant long table where he had created little squares out of tape. Yeah. And each square had a different piece of fruit in it in different stages of rot. Yes. All for this one gag. That is like on camera for like two seconds. I know. Again, like some little throwaway line in the script created all of this production. Florida fruit flowers. Growers. Rotted fruit, fruit fly wrangler. Incredible.

Shifting gears here over at Pratt. Pam is in the hallway between classes. She's paling around with her new school friends. Alex, played by Rich Summer, is making some jokes. Jim calls. Pam says, I'm gonna call you back because I made some friends. Okay. They were trying to make everybody mad. They were trying to make people feel like this art school thing might drive a wedge between Jim and Pam.

Now see, I wasn't worried yet. As I rewatch it, I'm not worried yet. I'm happy that she's making friends. I am too. I do wanna say, Pam, what the F with your earrings. This is Sassy College Pam. She's got her updo ponytail. Did you look at the earrings though? They're like these purple roses. I mean, has this woman never dressed casually? I don't know. I feel like I'm celebrating Pam in this moment. You're really judging her whole outfit.

I guess, you know, you don't have to be too worried about Pam attracting other men with those earrings on. Oh stop. I don't know. She looked cute.

I have to take us back to the bullpen because at 27 minutes, 13 seconds, one of the best scenes of this episode is Phyllis storming in. She is ticked off. Jean Stepnitsky said this is his favorite scene of the episode. I loved it so much. I mean, Dwight drives Phyllis to an abandoned warehouse five miles away and kicks her out of the car. Yeah. He took her money and her phone. And so she had to walk back. And Dwight says, I bet you burned about a thousand calories.

Phyllis is not having it. I think pissed off, Phyllis is my favourite Phyllis. It's such a hard call because pissed off Phyllis is so great, but I do also love like emotionally wounded Phyllis. Like the whole thing that went down with Sue Grafton. Oh gosh, yes. Steam Town Mall? Sue Grafton, that was so good too. Well she calls David Wallace. Mm-hmm. She is done with Dwight. Week six of the way-in. There is no way in this week.

Holly instead reads an official statement from corporate. They're just concerned. You know, this was supposed to be about health and wellness. And they need to make sure that everyone knows the point of this like health kick. In case the memo wasn't enough. Michael's gonna try to help explain it.

Oh yeah, Michael wants to bring it on home with one of his characters. This is how you get people's attention, remember? As a little kid, Hoot the Owl came to his elementary school. If you want to get through to someone, you dress up as a character. So enter Michael Klump. Yep. We had a fan question, Angela, from Grain L. When Michael says he's wearing his sumo suit from Beach Games, was Steve actually wearing his sumo suit underneath his clothes?

No. So here's the deal. Alicia, our wardrobe designer, was actually part of the DVD commentary and she said they weren't able to use the sumo suit. They had to buy a special type of suit that went under the sports jacket and pants. And Steve actually had to have two pretty thorough fittings for this whole thing to happen. Wow. I bet Steve got hot. I wonder if they used his air conditioned vest that you told us about last week. Yeah. Probably.

Well, Michael is leading this whole meeting where he wants to celebrate people's body image, no matter what you look like. And during this meeting he looks over and he notices that Ryan has shaved his goatee. And he's like, Ryan, did you shave your goatee? And Ryan's like, Yeah, I did. Well now all the goatees are gonna come off.

Well yeah. You know, Michael is trying to get everyone to celebrate how their bodies are different but beautiful. And Michael kneels down to talk to Kelly. You guys, 31 minutes, 21 seconds. Mindy is doing her classic covering her mouth. So you can't see her starting to break. I noticed it too.

It right away. Michael makes Kelly stand up. He wants everyone to look at her and tell her how great she looks. Ryan says she's perfect. Meredith likes her fingernails. Phyllis likes her dress, and Creed says she has a hell of an ass. And Kelly's like, What else? Yeah. I wasn't there. I was at art school. It was such a bummer. There were a lot of things that I missed. Mm-hmm. These were the classic conference room scenes when you guys would be stuck in there for a whole day, maybe two. Ugh.

Yes. We got pretty punchy in there. But one of my favorite talking heads is Phyllis saying she wonders what people would like about her. Probably her jugs. Hmm. Mm, maybe so. Speaking of art school, Pam's in class and Alex is making her giggle. Flirty, flirt. They even get in trouble.

Well I have a little fun fact. If you listen closely, you can hear her art school professor saying this. Some blame it on the new air conditioning system. This is what he's talking about. There are these paintings in France called the Lascaux paintings, if I'm pronouncing that correctly. They are ancient cave paintings. and they have just faced incredible disturbance since their discovery.

Because they have tourists come through, like upwards of like twelve hundred tourists a day. They put in air conditioning in this cave, they put in lighting systems to make viewing these paintings more enjoyable. But as a result, lichen. I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correctly, but whatever lichens are and crystals, they start to appear on the walls in the late nineteen fifties. And they had to close down these caves to preserve what was left of the sacred paintings.

So when he says some blame it on the new air conditioning system, he's talking about these cave paintings in France. Well that was a lot of good information. I just think it's really cool that our writers, someone is very, very smart. on our writing staff. Yeah. Was it Gene? Was it Lee? Was it someone else? I don't know. Maybe it was Paul Lieberstein because we know he's quite the world traveler. Mm-hmm. And likes art. Someone did a little digging and planted a little seed there. Yeah.

Well this scene in juxtaposition to Jim's talking head got people fired up because here's Pam laughing in art class with Alex. And then there's a gym talking head. He says summer's going great. Just listened to Michael Clump for two hours. Convinced I have an ulcer. And my girlfriend lives in New York and I haven't seen her in ten days. So people were not happy with Pam when this episode aired, I remember. I have a lot. Oh no.

Well I just want to say that when Pam went to art school for only three months when she was not yet married and didn't have children, people came down real hard on her because of Jim's feelings. Then when Jim Invested in a business without telling Pam and left his family and left Pam alone to care for their two children while he chased his dreams.

People came down on Pam again for not being supportive enough of Jim. So in both of these instances I just want to say I noticed a lot of hate for Pam. Do I want to call it sexist? I do. I Ew! Oh my god. I just want to say that Pam faced a lot of scrutiny as a character, I think because she was a woman. Mm-hmm. Right? Yeah, that river runs deep. It runs deep and it's gonna run long into some future seasons. Okay. Should we take a break?

We should because when we come back, we're gonna have a weather breakdown. Weather breakdown, I can't wait.

Well we are back and it is pouring rain! There is a black screen with the words week seven, August eleventh, and you can just hear the rain. Now it's time for the weigh in. Everyone's in the warehouse. The huge warehouse door is open. And it's just coming down. Mm. I wonder why it needed to rain. I wonder why we needed to establish a big rainstorm, huh? Why maybe we'll find out in a little bit

bit. Well, this was fake rain and yes, this was thought out. They wanted to establish this big rainstorm. Outside of the windows of our set in the bullpen, where normally there would be the big backdrops, right, Jenna? Yep. They brought in those rain panels that you told us about. Oh,'cause we had an episode where Michael couldn't get the top up on his convertible and then it rained inside the car.

That's right. So they brought back in those big window panes that they were able to sort of recycle water through so it looked like raining. And you're going to see it in the backdrop of several scenes. that just help keep reinforcing that it is a rainy day out. The one thing I will tell you is that sometimes with this rain, like outside the warehouse, they would have to adjust that for the sound department and editing.

But they said it sounded real, so the Sound Department didn't have to edit out the fake rain. Huh. Yeah. Well there you go. Also, if you're keeping track, remember Kelly Cantley in last week's episode gave us a list of things to keep track of. We are now two guys no goatee, one guy goatee. Michael and Ryan, no goatee, Dwight with a goatee. That's right.

They're also having their week seven weigh-in. And this is when Holly says she hasn't heard from her yoga teacher date in like three days. Yeah. She had even bought tickets to the Counting Crows for that night. And she doesn't know, like, is he gonna show? Is he gonna call? Yeah. And Daryl announces that they've lost four pounds.

Four pounds. Meanwhile, back in the bullpen, Jim and Pam, they're chatting on IM. They're trying to figure out when can they see each other? Jim has a conflict with his nephew's ball game. You know, they don't know. Jim says, why don't you meet me for a lunch? Yeah, kinda spontaneous. Yeah, yeah. Let's meet at the rest stop. That's halfway between New York and Scranton. When this whole time Dwight thinks Jim is talking about him

Right, that he's up to something. And Pam IMs Jim and says, oh, by the way, finished my summer project. And Jim clicks on it and guess what's there? A picture of Dwight. It is an A S C I I portrait. Mm-hmm. Which stands for American Standard Code for Information Interchange, which is a character encoding standard for electronic communication. ASCII codes represent text and computers, telecommunication equipment, and other devices. Well guess who has a copy of it? Yeah.

Joya and she sent it to me. Oh Oh my god. So I have Pam's A S C I I portrait of Dwight. I'll put it in our stories. I love that. Well, I like it because it shows that Pam is learning things in school. Mm-hmm. She's not just flirting. No, she's not everyone. She's taking it seriously. She's putting on her purple flower earrings and marching her ponytail into class. Holly goes in to talk to Michael, and she wants him to note that.

They have lost to Utica. Yeah. By only eight pounds. And Michael's like, wait a second, we have to the end of the day. Maybe if they really go for it, they crank up the heat, they're gonna wear trash bags, maybe they can get there. Well Andy's into it immediately. He puts on his trash bags, he says he does not lose competitions, he wins them or he quits because they're unfair. Mm-hmm. Kelly is not participating. She's having some pizza.

The wedding planning has not stopped between Andy and Angela. Angela says, Hey, she asks very nicely, by the way, if the first dance can be to Little Drummer Boy, her favorite song. Andy's like, Yeah, he's already booked his a cappella group. Oh Yeah, it's even better than can their last song be to Little Drummer Boy. His a cappella group is gonna sing it for ya. Yeah, here comes Trouble Class of ninety six.

And he's like, sweetheart, you're gonna love these guys. Carl one, Carl two, Broccoli Rob, spare rib, doobie, lunchbox, boner champ, that's me. Pewy Lewis in the news, hopscotch, jingle jangle, and sandwich. Yeah. And they're collectively gonna be his best man. Yeah. Guess who's paging Dwight? Oh. Oh yeah! Now, if I remember correctly, Angela, NBC built a website for Andy and Angela's wedding. Do you remember that? It's not live anymore, but do you remember that?

I do. And I asked Joya about it. She sent me the homepage photo of Angela and Andy's wedding website. complete with their wedding gift registry and the audition video that Andy put together of Here Comes Trouble to be their wedding band. Wow. I have all of it. I'll put it in stories. I have all of it. And I want to read to you, though, the items on the registry.

Please. So Joya said the joke was that Andy would list something and then Angela would list something in stark opposition to what Andy had listed. Okay. So see if you can guess who put what on the registry. The singing machine ISM370 karaoke with iPod dock. Noise canceling headphones. Twilight thick non see-through shower curtain. Deadbolt bathroom door lock. Modesty changing screen. His and hers kitty cat PJs, kids small and men size large.

Kitty Cat Shay's Lounge, three Cornell Big Red Ultimate Outdoor Rugs, Marie Osman Inspiration Bench, Decorative Wall hat, and Getty's Calendar. Wow. That's what was on their registry on the nbc.com wedding site.

It's time. It's time. Jim and Pam, they're gonna meet up at the rest stop in the pouring rain. We have a lot to share about it. Jenna, you were there. I was not. I have some fantastic. DVD commentary stuff to share with you from our crew, but you should take it away. Well, this is the proposal scene. Yes. Jim gets down on one knee and he proposes to Pam. She's totally shocked. They're at a gas station.

You know, he was supposed to wait till she got back from art school, but he says he couldn't wait. She's completely thrown. Yeah. You can really tell she had no idea. In fact, the beginning of the scene, she's like, Hey, this is not halfway. I drove further. Like she's her head is so not in that place. Yeah. But she says yes and they kiss and

So first of all, I just want you guys to know that Greg spoke with us about this. He said that he really wanted Jim's proposal to Pam to be in the season premiere. He thought number one, that would be unexpected. You usually end seasons with proposals. Right. So he thought this would be a real shock and And it was Jenna, I even remember at the table read, you know, we had so much going on with this weight loss story and Pam at art school. I didn't see it coming. No.

And we'd been teasing it all last season. He said he also wanted to throw people off by having it in a very ordinary location. So he wanted to feel special, but he also wanted it to feel like Jim made the decision without a whole lot of planning. Mm-hmm. So Greg thought that the ideal location for this scene was Would be a gas station. Mm-hmm. Along the freeway between Scranton and New York. In the rain.

And they based the rest stop on one that Greg Daniels had traveled to as a kid along the Merritt Parkway. We did not actually fly to this location. This is the insane part. They built this in the parking lot of a Best Buy that I have been to many times actually. What they did was they used Google Street View to capture images of a real gas station along the Merritt Parkway. And then using those images, they built it to match in this parking lot. It took him about nine days to build it.

To create the illusion of highway traffic, they built a four-lane circular racetrack around the gas station set. They set up cameras on the other side of this raceway. And they had cars drive around it at 55 miles an hour. Then they added rain pouring down on us, these giant rain machines. Our production manager, Randy Cordre, said they had about thirty-five precision drivers. They were driving not just cars, but like semi trucks. When we were standing there on that set, you could feel the wind.

Like of these cars speeding past you. It was so, so bonkers. But after we shot the scene, They had to hire a special effects company to paint out the background because the background were these California mountains. And so they had to paint out the mountains and put in some trees, like East Coast looking trees. In the end, this was the single most expensive scene ever shot during the entire run of the show. It lasts 52 seconds and it costs$250,000. Oh my lord. Oh my lord.

Wow. Yeah. So a quarter of a million dollars for less than one minute of screen time. Oh my gosh.

Well, listen, they talked in depth, our crew, about this moment in the DvD commentary, several obviously very similar things as what you just shared. So after months and months of scouting and meetings, it was our location manager, Kyle Alexander, who found this enormous paved parking lot. I guess it was off Los Feliz Bull. Boulevard? Yep. Acres and acres of paved ground, which is what they needed if they were gonna build a racetrack, basically, right? Yeah. So these cars could loop around.

Now, according to Randy Cordre, the reason why it was such a massive, massive, massive parking lot is because it was a paved over, toxic waste site. Yes! Apparently years and years and years ago there was an old like ceramics plant or something that had buried lead paint waste into the ground so they had to seal it and cover it. So Angela, I just wanna make sure that we acknowledge that the information you've just given us means

That Jim and Pam, uh-huh, our beloved jam, uh-huh, got engaged. Uh-huh. At a former toxic waste dump. Fluorescent jam. I mean Yikesy. Well, this is what they shared in the DVD commentary. It was a long time ago. They sealed it up. It's a giant parking lot. Apparently there's a Best Buy there now. Well, Michael Gallenberg shares on the DVD commentary one of his favorite things that he built of this whole set was

the drinks behind the glass doors. It's in fact one humongous giant photo. It was an inkjet print on foam core paper. looks amazing and there's a great shot at thirty-eight minutes thirty-two seconds right behind Jim and Pam. I would have never known that those drinks were a photo. Yeah, it was an incredible set. Yeah, really just kudos to our set design team and our construction guys. They just crushed. It was incredible.

The one other debate about the scene, which I'm sure you know, was whether to have sound or no sound. This was a huge, huge debate. Greg could not make up his mind. They had two versions ready to go, one with sound during the proposal and one without. And literally, I mean, Jake shared on the DVD commentary, Jake oust, that up until the day of airing, it was the air date, Greg was still trying to decide. It's so funny because I vaguely remember that.

But we spoke dialogue every time. Yeah. So the debate was just simply whether Jim and Pam were still wearing their microphones and you could hear our dialogue or Jim and Pam weren't wearing their microphones and you couldn't. So we said dialogue every time. It wasn't like there were two different scenes that were written with or without dialogue. It was just whether or not you could hear it. Yeah. I don't think John and I knew about this big debate'cause we were just saying our lines every time.

Yeah. I liked being able to hear it. I think it was important that you heard it. Yeah. I have a few more things to share that hopefully won't shatter your memories of this moment. Like you said, the trees were digitally put back in, right? They are East Coast trees. They were put in digitally by Stargate. And here was the other thing that was a big, big question mark about how they do this was the rain. How do they do the rain? And they really considered doing it digitally.

adding it in post production, but Paul Feig was very, very against it. He wanted the rain to feel as real as possible. And we could feel the rain. I mean, there were you know, it was I don't know if it was just the wind from the cars. I don't remember there being wind machines, but I do remember the rain hitting us and I mean, even though it was a Former toxic waste dump and even though it was a That's five parking lot. Yeah, just like it was actually to be there really romantic.

You know, it was funny. The gas station, it was just a front. If you went in it was a like a faky fake. You go through the door and then you're just like looking at trees. It didn't have a back or anything. But it felt magical. It did. And it was so much fun to shoot that scene. I mean, I feel like we got it on the first take, and maybe we did a few, but my memory is that we weren't there long, that we got it pretty early, and it was a cool moment. A really magical moment.

Well when the gang is ready to weigh in again, Jim is late, and then he shows up soaking wet. And so happy. So happy. I was a little sad that they didn't get to spend the whole evening together after getting engaged. I guess Pam just had to drive back to school. I know.

But Jim is so happy. Holly decides that this yoga guy is never gonna call her. And Michael says, you know what? I'll buy the Counting Crows tickets from ya. And she's like, Really? Everybody thinks this is like gonna lead to Michael offering to go with her. I thought they were gonna have a date. No, Michael rips up the tickets. Like gallantly, like he's saving the day. And she's confused. We got some mail from Emily G. Okay. Here's what she says.

Having worked at several concert venues, I wanted to let you know that if you lose or damage your concert tickets, you can go to a venue's box office with your photo ID and someone will reprint them for you. Oh. Oh that's good to know. Yeah. It didn't seem like Holly knew. No. I didn't know. Well now we all know. Now we all know. Thank you, Emily. Yeah. In the end. Dunder Mifflin did not. Win the weight loss competition. Stanley lost seven pounds.

Yeah. He says he's gonna take off five days anyway. Yeah. And now it's week eight. Toby is on his fifth week in a hospital room in Costa Rica. Toby Guys remember that. Toby had his weird moment with Pam, so he moved to Costa Rica and I On like his first day or day was it like day three? Three. Day three he went ziplining. And he broke his neck. Yes. Yeah. He hasn't even been to the beach. Did you notice what was playing on the T V in the hospital room? Yes I did.

It is the hug it out bitch episode of Entourage. That is the episode of Entourage that Michael quotes in the coup. Well, I have a little location breakdown for you about Toby's hospital. Give it to me. It was also filmed at USC.

Yeah, while they were there filming Pam's Art School, they used the USC television stage building and USC asked if eight of their film students could intern and help that day. They had interns in all of the different departments, and our crew said they did a phenomenal job. That is so cool. Before we go, I just want to give a shout out to whoever the guy is in the bed next to Toby. He was a background performer, Angela. I tried so hard to figure out who this is because he is so funny.

He just stares into the camera the whole time Toby is talking. It is so good. I watched it three times. I was like, how is this guy? doing such a great job with no words. I was so impressed. We couldn't figure out who he was. We reached out to several people. Yes and I checked everywhere you can check. He is uncredited in the episode. Phenomenal job. Way to crush it. And you guys, that was weight loss part two.

There's so many folks to thank for helping us get this episode out to you. First of all, our crew that participated in the DVD commentary, Randy Cordre, Michael Gallenberg, Brian Whittle, Nick Carbone, Ben Patrick, Alicia Raycraft, Kelly Cantley, and Jake Ouse. Amazing, best commentary, really such a good listen if you love behind the scenes information. And James O'Carey for letting us bug you with questions. Yeah, we did and we did bug him.

Did enjoy a Balfour? Oh my gosh, I'm so excited to share all of that NBC.com website stuff about. And then Greg Daniels. Yes! Thank you and also Paul Feig for that audio clip. I promise not to bother you too much. I know. Why am I Promise. appreciate. We hope you enjoyed this one. And we are kicking off season five. We'll be back for more next week. Thank you for listening to Office Ladies Second Drink. This episode was initially created in collaboration with Earwolf.

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