Second Drink: Prince Family Paper

Hello! Welcome to your second drink of Prince Family Paper. Uh, Angela, you started this podcast breakdown, like our original breakdown with a great. I did? Yes. What did I say? Okay, it was about a magazine that had put you in a side by side of who wore it best. That's so tacky. I know. We discussed. Well, in honor of that gripe, I'd like to start this second drink with a similar gripe. Were you in a side by side? No. No, I wasn't in a side by side. Okay.

But People magazine did me dirty, lady. I'm calling them out they did me dirty. What they do. Okay. I get a text from my brother in law. He sends me a photo. He had bought a People magazine,'cause he was getting on a flight. Okay. And he was all excited'cause he was like Jenna I'm on a flight and I opened my people magazine and here you are. Oh, that's fun. You think it would be fun, but People magazine did me dirty. What the hell did they do?

Okay. They took a quote that I said back in I think like twenty eighteen, like a while ago. Yeah. An old quote that they're recycling. Okay. Slow News Day. We're digging back into two thousand eighteen. So it says With younger generations binge watching two thousands hit the office on Netflix on Netflix? The fifty two year old is thrilled to be reaching new audiences.

Not so thrilling when she's shopping at Target and is approached by a teen. Quote, they'll say, you know what? Does anyone like tell you that you look like an older version of that girl from the office? When Jenna explains that she actually did play Pam Beasley on the show, quote, sometimes they don't even believe me, she told Conan O'Brien. Oh my god, this is some from so long ago. I know. No, this is back when Conan O'Brien had a talk show. Good night.

And then I say they're like, No, but you do look like her. So I remember telling this funny story. That doesn't do me dirty. That's fine. That's a funny story that I told. Sure, People Magazine, you want to recycle a snippet from an interview from 2018. Fine. We'll let fine. an unflattering, low angle photo of me, Why did they do that? Why? Then and then here's the other thing. I know this photo. This is from before I was wearing glasses and I was like, wait.

That's a kind of older photo at like a very unflattering angle, and I think they put a filter on this photo to make me look worse. Come on. Lady. Do you have the original? Do you have a side by side of your original and then their mock up? You know I do, lady, because you know I love a side by side, and I am a mom detective. And look at the difference. This is the original photo. This is the did me dirty. They put a filter on it to create all these shadows and deep lines on my face.

What's that about? I don't know. Do you have like an an ex boyfriend at People Max? I don't know. But like I'm sorry. That's messed up. Uh-huh. Wow. It's always crazy to me too how they it seems like they pick the most unflattering picture of you out there. It's like, you know there's better pictures. Why are you picking that one? Like, what is that snarkiness about? And you know what else? Every single time there's anything about me and Josh, they always print my age.

I'm like uh we get it. I'm six years older than him. We get it. Well here's something that I remember is that when I've had my photo taken by the New York Times,'cause that's happened a few times, a little bit of a flex. Okay. We did it, Angela. New York Times took our photo twice. They do not edit it in any way. That's a journalistic integrity. So that picture of you is exactly as it is the day they took it. There's no filter.

No filter, no Photoshop. They made that very clear. Lady, I remember when they came to my house to take our picture. And they told us that and we moved two of my kitchen stools out onto my front lawn in front of my hedge where I have really good light. Yeah.'Cause they also don't bring like bounce boards and stuff. They're like, we're taking It's a photo drama. We were like, okay, well can we at least take it in a place with really great light? And they said yes.

So anyway, okay. Well moving on to Prince Family Paper. We have discussed how this is a major cringe episode. Yeah. It's my personal number one skip it episode. I I just I can't take the hot or not debate. I can't take the Prince Family demise. We got mail on both sides of this argument.

on skip it or love it. So first up from Miranda D in Australia. Miranda says, I gotta say, ladies, this is a skip it for me. I recently listened to your first conversation with Billie Eilish and learned it's a skip it episode for her too. The actors who play the Prince Family Paper Owners do such an amazing job of portraying genuinely sweet business owners, and I feel so bad every time I watch it.

But that's not to say there aren't some great scenes in this episode, such as the Cold Open, which is one of my favorite gym prank. Well, you know, Miranda, thank you for writing in. I know there's a lot to be discussed here, but I still get excited when you say Billie Eilish's first conversation, because that meant there was a second.

Sorry. I know that's not the point of this conversation. Okay, moving on. We also got a letter from Leighton R in California. Leighton, you've written us many times. Thank you so much. Leighton said, I ranked this episode high on the list. My favorite scene was when Michael hits his car against the curb and the Prince family comes outside and helps him. And here's what really stands out.

It's how nice their family tends to be, despite Michael and Dwight's surveillance and attempts to shut them down. I appreciated this scene because it shows how Michael feels guilty and then he realizes how he might feel. He is hurting those genuinely great people and this family that really works to keep their business open and it just makes their situation more serious. So I guess Leighton really liked all the complexity there.

It is a complex episode. This is true. And it doesn't end how you think it will, which is I mean, every time this episode comes up, I'm like, I can't believe we shut down the little family run paper place. No. Oh, it's really difficult. It's really difficult. Well, finally, we got this letter from Miranda J in Wake Forest, North Carolina, who said, I love how strongly Michael and Dwight each feel about Denny's versus iHop.

I must know the opinions of the office ladies. Which side are y'all on? Personally, I agree with Dwight. Denny's is the OG. Literally beat IHOP by five years. Well, lady, before we say if we're Denny's or IHOP, let's listen to this argument. Michael and Dwight are in the car and it starts with them going over their plans for their alter egos. Okay.

So let's go over the plan again. All right. I am a local business owner. I need to buy paper to find out everything about their prices and policies. Your fictitious name? Michael Skarn. God. I am a paper salesman looking for a new job. I find out everything about their expenses and salaries. Okay.

We meet at the Denny's and we compare notes. No, I never said Denny's IHOP. No. I hope I said Denny's. Don't start Don't I you Socialist. I don't want to get into this debate again. Okay. I enjoy IHOP. I'll have a cup of coffee. You will have pancakes and you'll like it. Yeah. So lady, do you have strong feelings between Denny's and IHOP?

I do not. I love a nice big old like kind of diner breakfast. Jenna, one of my favorite things is when you and I take a trip to New York, we go to a diner and we have a big old breakfast together. and I just love it. My dad loved like a big breakfast and I I think it just makes me think of him. So I'm sorry to be a lame o but I I I don't care one or the other. They seem interchangeable to me. Is that is that bad?

Oh, well, this is Michael's point. Like we can go to either one of these, but we're going where I want and you're gonna like it. So what is yours? You know, if you forced me to pick one, if you were like, you can only go to one of these two places for the rest of your life. I think I would have to pick Denny's. Really? We have a Denny's near our house. Have an IHOP near house and we go to Denny's. So for a very long time, the Denny's by our house, kids eat free on Tuesday. Ha ha ha.

And they have a claw machine and it was like it was a great place to go like go out to dinner with little kids especially, you know? Yeah. And you could have breakfast for dinner at Denny's, like the kids could. They've got a chicken and waffles. Um, but they've also got a really nice they've added um like a nice like rice and protein bowl. Can you tell I eat at Denny's quite a bit? Say you are pretty versed in this menu. Um, yeah. I mean, I lived near an IHOP when I first moved to LA.

And I could walk to it. And um that's back when my car used to break down all the time. Remember my car that broke down during Boo's cruise? Like finally got a new car? So th there were many times where I was just like, oh, my car's not running and I would walk to IHOP and I was very thankful for it. Lady, you know we lived in the same area at first. I lived by an IHOP as well. It's the same IHOP.

We pr we might have been there at the same time, we didn't even know it. So yeah, when I first moved to LA I went to IHOP all the time and now I've moved kind of further away and now I'm at at a Denny's. Well you guys let us know or you Denny's or iHop. I'm very curious. And you guys, we know some of you might skip this episode when you rewatch, but we hope you won't skip our breakdown because it's really fun. We have some great shares about the episode, and then Sam and I

Try to explain Lord of the Rings to Jenna. We don't do that great of a job, but we tried. Well it was very funny for me to re listen to that now that I've seen the movie and now I know what you're talking about and you you don't do such a bad job. Aw. Except I say I say Sauron wrong. All right everyone, here's your second drink of Prince Family Paper.

I'm Angela Kinsey. We are on the office. And we're best friends. Podcast just for you. Each week we will break down an episode of The Office and give exclusive behind-the-scenes stories that only two people who were there can tell you. We're the offslift. Hi Angela. Hey Jenna, how's it going? It's going good. Are you ready to destroy a small family business today? Prince family paper. The prince family was They're the sweetest family. Well, we're gonna take them down and take away. Yes we are.

So awful and cringy. Oh, there's a lot of cringe in this one. Sure is. Guys, it's season five, episode thirteen, Prince Family Paper, written by BJ Novak and directed by Asad Kalada. Here's your summary. Oh. David Wallace. Yeah. It's so funny to me. I'm so sorry to interrupt your summary that I acted surprised. That I was gonna read a summary. Oh, well look who sassy pants has a summary. She has one every weekend. Just just expect it. Okay, go.

David Wallace calls Michael Scott on the phone. He wants to get his help gathering intel on a rival paper company called Prince Family Paper. Michael takes Dwight along as his backup, and meanwhile the gang debate whether or not Hillary Swank qualifies as hot. Yep. All right. Get it out. There used to be a magazine, I don't know which one. You know who you are. They would do this thing, who wore it best? Oh yeah.

Would put two people side by side in like the same dress or a skirt or pants. Mm-hmm. And there was always one person that wore it best. Right. you know Um vote. People voted. And you might have worn it best because you were tall. And not five one. Okay. Okay. And maybe you knew to wear the right kind of heels and someone else wore flick flops. Yeah. I don't know. Right. I'm just saying. To that magazine, and people that like to compare who wore it best or who's hot or who's not, I say suck it.

Thank you, Angela. Well that was clearly a general comment. Mm-hmm. Nothing based on personal experience, I can tell. I'll have you know I've also been the subject of a who wore it best. So I feel that Yeah. You know what? You all wear it best. We all wear it how we wear it. Yeah. Okay? That's how I wore it. That's my body. That's how my body wears stuff.

How about who wore it? Me. I wore it. Yeah. A hundred percent to me for wearing it. And you know what? dressed this morning. You're welcome. As you can tell, this episode might have triggered something for I can tell. Two gals are sitting here not super appreciating debates on who's hot or who's not. Yep. Kevin has a lot of thoughts about it. This might be the most Kevin ever spoke in a whole episode. Yes. I think is this his most line count ever?

Possibly. Well I think we should get to some fast facts. I agree. Here we go. Fast fact number one. New director alert. Yeah. Asad Kalada. Yes. So our line producer Randy Cordre had worked with Assad before and he told us that Assad was actually originally supposed to direct an episode in season four.

Hmm. But that season got cut because of the writer's strike. Oh. And so they slotted him for season five instead. So we could have almost gotten to work with this man earlier. And I tell you what, he is a delight. You guys he's like television legend. He's directed everything. Yes, he has directed 77 episodes of The Facts of Life and 117 episodes of Who's the Boss? I know who's the boss. If your name is Angela, you know who's the boss. What? Yeah. So the female leads characters named Angela.

You guys, this show was out in the nineties. I was in college in the nineties. I cannot even tell you how many people left this on my answering machine. machine. ANGELA I had that on my voicemail, I would say on a monthly basis. That's crazy. Let me finish telling you a little bit about Asad. We loved working with him. I found an interview he did where he said this.

Which I thought was so great. He said that the most essential thing for making a successful comedy is casting. He said that is because, quote, you cannot make the actor be funny. Comedy is all about rhythm, timing, pace, and energy. I agree. I thought that was so well said. All right, fast fact number two. We got a lot of fan questions about the Hot or Not storyline. This one comes from Joe S. who asked what inspired the subplot of the debate about whether or not Hilary Swank was hot or not.

Was it a magazine that said who wore it best? It wasn't. It wasn't. BJ Novak did an interview with Indie Week and he said that he was on a flight and two of the in flight movies were PS I Love You and The Great Debaters. They were both Hillary Swank movies. He was tasked with coming up with a B plot for an episode and he thought, quote, why not debate about Hillary Swank? And then he decided that the characters could debate whether or not she is attractive.

We got more questions from Amy J and Rohit R. How does Hillary Swank feel about this episode? Oh wow. Good question. Very good question. Well, she did an interview with Time magazine shortly after this episode came out. She was asked if she had seen the episode, and she said this. I'm not a big television watcher, but definitely everyone made me aware of it. She is I think it's flattering anytime someone mentions you, but I don't think of myself in terms of that.

Meaning like she doesn't lead with if she's hot or not. Right. Later on in the interview, she was asked about women in Hollywood in general, and she replied, there is so much put on the way we look, which is interesting going back to your office question, are you hot or are you not? It really does a disservice because there's so much more to life than looking a certain way. Love you Hilary. Well said. Well said.

Fast fact number three, Hilary Swank is a badass. Would you like to hear a little about her? Yes! All right. She was born in Lincoln, Nebraska. She competed in the Junior Olympics and the Washington State Championships in swimming. And she ranked fifth in state in all around gymnastics. Wow. All around gymnastics. That's the one where you have to do all the things. You do all the things. She ranked fifth in the state.

Okay. Her parents separated when she was a teenager, and she really wanted to be an actress, so her mom moved with her to Los Angeles when she was 16 years old. And she's spoken a lot about this. They did not have a lot of money for a while and they lived out of their car. They did eventually find a place to live. She enrolled in school and then when she was twenty, so four years after she moved to LA She landed the starring role in the next karate kid.

Julie Pierce. Yeah. Yeah. You know all about this, Anne. I do because you guys I got really into Cobra Kai this past year. Are you guys watching Cobra Kai? It's so good. I'm not watching it. Should I be watching it? I am loving it. It's also just major like eighties nostalgia. It's so good. Is this something I can watch with my kids? Or is it more adulty? I've heard it's a little bit skews older. It's skews older. Then my kids. Yes. I'm not watching it with my kids. Oh. This is your time. Yeah.

Okay. Josh and I watch it together. I'm sure there's, you know, teenagers that watch it, but Josh and I watch it together. So basically it's sort of picking up where they are now, right? Mm-hmm. with the two lead guys. And John Hurwitz, who's the co creator, they reached out to me to play one of the kids' mom. What? Yes. And I wanted to do it, but it was filming in Atlanta And you basically have to go to Atlanta for a while and I couldn't do that. I couldn't be away from my kids for that long.

Cảm ơn các bạn đã theo dõi. It wasn't like an in and out. But listen, John Hurwitz, if you ever move to Los Angeles, if you ever decide to film here, I am there. People have been speculating, will Julie come back? Because they're bringing all the characters back.

And this is what John Hurwit said in an interview. They discussed the possibility of bringing Julie Pierce on the show. He said, in our writer's room, we speak about literally every character that has appeared in the Miyagi verse. They call it the Miyagi verse. So it's obvious we've spoken about Julie Pierce. As to whether or not she'll return to the series, that's something you'll just have to wait to find out. Oh. I'm here for it, John. Bring her back.

Also, a little bit of office crossover, Jen Salada has directed several episodes of Cobra Kai. Wow. Yeah. I would love it if Hilary's like, Hillary, go back. Go do a guest star on Cobra Kai. It'd be so good. And then maybe there's like some little bit you could do in her episode. Yes, Hilary, maybe I could be your best friend. This is it. And then I could go just for a week, John. Just like four days. Yeah. Okay. There, we worked it out. Gensalata. Jens louder drink it up. Make it happen.

Well Hilary Sank was twenty years old when she was a next karate kid. When she was twenty five years old, she did the lead role in Boys Don't Cry. Wow. And she won an Oscar. She is one of the youngest women to ever win an Oscar. She also won an Oscar for her lead role in Million Dollar Baby. Maybe. That movie destroyed me. Ugh. I mean both of those movies. I mean they're There are only twelve other actresses who have won two or more lead actress Oscars. Those are both lead actress Oscars.

So she's in a very impressive club there. She sure is. So that's Hillary swank, y'all. Well Hilary, we are here for you. We should take a break, and we come back. There is a classic Jim Prank. The Second World War is the largest event in human history. A 20-part series with Tom Hanks. No part of the globe was untouched, no life unchanged. Experience the ultimate account of World War II. Every These are the stories that make us who we are.

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This episode opens With everyone just working at their desks. This is a normal day? No biggie. But then Dwight discovers a uh red wire that's plugged into his computer. No other computers have red wires. What is it? Yeah, it's a new wire. It's never been there before. Yeah. Well he starts tearing at this wire.

He wants to know where it's coming from. Yeah. In the script it says Dwight pulls the wire off the floor and follows it to the wall. It goes over a door frame under Phyllis' desk, and Dwight crawls under Phyllis's desk. Oh we did it a little differently. Did it a little differently. First of all, you can't crawl through Phyllis' desk because there was like a backstop, right? So it doesn't go all the way through to Stanley's desk.

And in the script, Phyllis says, Dwight, get out of there. And that's pretty much in the episode. And then Dwight would have said, Shush, shh, shush. But I think Rain improvised. Shut up, Phyllis. Ha ha. So Dwight's gonna follow this wire into the hole. Yeah, all the way outside and up a f telephone pole, which we can see over Jim's shoulder in Jim's talking head. Right, and it is a real telephone pole.

It's a real telephone pole. Jim says he got five hundred feet of red wire at a flea market for twenty bucks. How long did this take him? Jim. has a lot of extra time. He gets to work so So early Pam is like you know what, I know we were gonna carpool, but you've got that Dwight prank and you've gotta go at three in the morning and I'm gonna sleep in. Yeah. Like, what's the real life? Side of that. I reached out to Randy to find out how we did this stunt of rain up on this telephone pole.

Right, he can't climb a real telephone pole, that's not safe. No, because what he told me was that the pole over Jim's shoulder really is an actual working utility pole that's embedded in our sidewalk, you know, right out there is Folks, don't go climb it for a photo. Don't climb it. You can get electrocuted. Yeah, it carried high voltage electricity. They couldn't even have a stunt person dressed as Dwight climb that pole. Yeah.

So our production designer Michael Gallenberg and his construction team rented a matching utility pole. You can do that, I guess. Where is that? I mean seriously, how do they know these things? This is the crazy part of Hollywood magic. Oh, you know what I'm gonna do today? I'm gonna rent a faky telephone pole. Yeah. That's huge. Huge. Huge. Well, they put it up in our parking lot between the two sound stages and they put like a green padded platform around it and kept it. Yeah.

And they put up a big green screen behind the whole thing and then they brought Rain out, along with like a stunt coordinator and a safety officer, and they had Rain climb up. It was only a few feet that he had to climb. And then in post-production, they had their visual effects team digitally add rain to the real pole over Jim's shoulder. They superimpose like one pull onto the other.

Yes. Got it. Even though rain was really only a little bit off the ground, they could like hike it up so it looked like he was like halfway up the pole. Yeah. That's movie magic, folks. That is some good movie magic. But here's the thing that gets me about that. That's like real special effects kind of like stunty stuff. For our little TV show about a paper company. Like I never really thought hard about how much work it took to do that gag until we went to break it down. Yeah. Right?

Like it's such a quick little blip and you're like, that was like two weeks of figuring that out. Of prep. Yeah. I feel like every week we are learning how much Michael Gallenberg, Kyle Alexander, Phil Shea, our wardrobe department, set designers, how they all made these little moments happen and made it seamless. Yeah. I know, so much work goes into these little things. It's amazing. The fruit fly wrangler. We had to know their like mating cycle. Craziness. Crazy.

Well, that was the cold open. Now we start this episode. Michael's in his office. He's on the phone with David Wallace. I feel like David's really playing Michael here because he dangles out that regional supervisor job. He's like, you know, I still haven't filled that slot yet. And Michael's like, oh. And then he asks Michael to go do this thing. Yeah. To go spy on this tiny little paper company. I know. To do some field work. Michael's so excited.

Oh, yeah. During this scene, I was really struck by the toys on Michael's desk. Cause they would rotate them. They would you guys, every once in a while there'd be some new toys. Here's what was on his desk. A Rubik's Cube. Not finished. Mm-hmm. A tiny pool table. Yes. A colorful plastic expanding ball thingy. You know that Yeah, yeah. That's a staple.

Yes, and also the wind up teeth. Those are always there. But the pool table had moved, so he's clearly played it recently. And it's on top of all the stuff in his inbox. He can't get to anything in his inbox. The pool table is number one of things to do. Yeah. Oh, it made me laugh. A miniature pool table in his inbox says everything you need to know about Michael Scott's work ethic. That's right.

Stanley and Phyllis are going to start having this conversation about whether or not they think Hillary swank is hot. And the rest of the gang gets involved. I feel like these kind of moments happen in small offices. You sort of start to debate things. Like you pick a soccer team during the playoffs and people debate about the players and it can become a whole thing. And it's just a way to fill the boredom. Oh for sure. I have a bone to pick with Jim. What's that?

At three minutes eighteen seconds, I titled this moment What the hell, Jim? What is the moment? Jim suggests they put it to a vote in the bullpen. Angela says she isn't voting, and Jim says nobody cares. Ow. What the hell, Jim? That's some Jim Souse. Gem Sass. Did you notice what Pam said? Pam says, Did you see her with her bangs? And lady, this made me laugh out loud because I have just recently gotten bangs. And people have a lot of opinions about it.

They do have opinions about my bangs. But what made me laugh was that before I got my bangs, I of course Googled images of people with bangs. You have to do research. You don't just you gotta look at all the pictures. You googled people with bangs. You texted me, I think I'm gonna get bangs. Yeah. To which I replied, Oh no. I said, I think I'm gonna get bangs right now because like I was getting a haircut in the moment. By the time you replied, it was done.

I know. I was like, oh I was busy with the kids. I decided we were gonna paint. I bought the canvas and all the paint stuff were outside. We'd made this huge mess. I'd set my phone aside so I didn't get paint on it. And then I just thought I'd check in, see what's happening.

And I see this text from you that's half an hour old that says, I think I'm gonna get bangs now. And I was like, oh no, I didn't get to weigh in. But lady, I think they're adorable. I think they're super cute because they're curly. I'm loving it. I bring it up because one of the people I saw in my research was Hillary Swank with bangs. So when Pam said this in the scene, it made me laugh. But I really based my bangs on some like Mia Farrow from Hannah and Her Sisters.

You look very seventies kind of like beachy wave with bang. A little bit of Terry Gar. Terry Gar wore some bangs like no one's business. That's right. But my main inspiration was probably Stevie Nick. And I will admit that after getting my bangs, I did style my hair in a full Stevie Nicks and then I took pictures and I put'em side by side. I was too shy to post. But I wanna see the side by side. You wanna see my Stevie? Do you have it on your phone? I mean I really did this. OH MY GOD Amazing.

Oh you kinda did the same mouth. I put on the same necklace. I did like a whole thing. Oh you did. We gotta put that in office ladies pod stories, please. It's okay. I mean I'm doing a whole pouty mouth, so I got a little bit like shy. You even did the dark eyeliner. I did I I'm telling you she was my instant. This is a whole afternoon. I didn't I thought I knew your life. This was a whole day. I didn't know what was happening.

I mean I had to take off my glasses for the picture. I know. Which actually made it a little hard to take the picture. Because I couldn't see very well. Tell me about it. I can't tell you how many photos I've taken of Josh and the kids. Cause you know, when you're like a family, one parent has to take the picture. Yeah. And half the time I don't have my glasses'cause I'm not good about wearing'em. And Josh will be like, Babe, these are out of focus. I'm like, I can't tell. I just click.

I love how we literally could not be more off topic. We are so off topic. Okay. All right, we'll get back to it.

Back on topic. All right. All right. All right. So we are now oh God. You guys, we're about to talk about a scene I absolutely loved. It's a driving scene between Dwight and Michael. They're headed to Prince Family Paper. How much they bicker in this scene? They're like an old married couple. I loved it. They bigger about who would seduce the fictional daughter. They don't even know if this person exists. Yeah.

And they bicker about Denny's and IHOP. They bicker about the clouds. Dwight says get your clouds right. Michael tells him to shut up. But I have a background catch. What is it? Oh it sent me down a Google path, Jenna. Alright. So whenever we have driving scenes, we always look for palm trees, right? Yeah, spot the palm tree. In this one, I recognize the street they were on. It's Chandler Break. Boulevard.

It's a residential street. And guess what else I recognized? What? It was trash day. And there were blue recycle bins in every driveway. I took a few photos. Okay. I'll put those in pod. So then I thought, is that what the recycled trash bins look like in Scranton? Hmm. So that took me to the recycling laws for Lackawanda County. Oh! Hang with me because there's a woman named Barbara who I am now fascinated by. First of all, that is not what recycle bins look like.

in Lackawanna County. So theirs are like these blue round tubs. Okay. Unless they've changed, you guys can correct me. Ours are these like skinny rectangles with lids. Yep. So here's an article I read from April of 2019. Barbara Giovanoli is the recycling coordinator for Lackawanna County. Barbara shared that the recycling center in Lackawanna County accepts plastics and glass bottles and jars, aluminum steel cans, as well as newspaper.

It is a dual stream system. They have containers, bottles, jars, and cans in one, and paper fibers separately. They do not accept plastic bags, take out containers, or pizza boxes. And apparently, lady. The recycle centers get all kinds of wacky things. People put all kinds of crazy things in the recycle bins. Barbara has a tip for you. She wants you to know. She says there's an easy way to remind yourself what can and cannot be recycled at the Lackawanna County Recycling Center.

Ask yourself, is it a bottle? Is it a jar? If the answer is no, that means it has to be thrown away. I want to meet Barbara. I wanna meet Barbara. I wanna meet Barbara. It's real simple. Ask yourself, is this a jar? Is this a bottle? No. Trash. Wow. Mm-hmm. We have to meet her. We have to meet her. Anyway, this was a random thing I noticed in the background. No palm tree sighting, several recycle bins.

Also in the scene, for those of you guys keeping track of how many times Michael Skarn is mentioned in the series, this is one of'em,'cause it's gonna be Michael's alias, and then they get into a real heated argument. I mean, that has history about Denny's and I hawk. Yeah. They're gonna rendezvous after they get the info. Michael says at IHOP. And Dwight's like, I did not agree to IHOP. Socialist.

He's like, you socialist, I'm going to Denny's. And Michael's like, you are going to IHOP and you will have pancakes and you will like it. What do you like? Do you have strong feelings about IHOP or denied? I really don't, but I would say I've had IHOP more because there was one right on campus when I went to college, basically like across the street, and we would walk over there. And there's also one by my kids' pediatrician office. So I've just been to IHOP more.

I would say that if I'm looking for a pancake, I hop is gonna come to mind. Yeah. Yeah. But I want to say these words to you. Oh what? Moon's over my hammy. Oh was that the That's a Denny spot. And it's real good. Okay. So if I'm wanting more of an egg sandwich, I'm gonna have to head to Denny's. Now I'm just craving breakfast. I know me too, Kina.

Well these guys do eventually get to their destination of Prince Family Paper. It's in like a little strip mall. Right. And I got a location alert. Let's do it.

We rented an empty mini mall near the corner of Laurel Canyon and Victory Boulevard in North Hollywood, California. We rented Rented a whole mini I guess we did, because Randy said our location manager Kyle Alexander had to find a location where we could have some sort of office front that had all windows because we assumed that if they were going undercover, they couldn't bring a documentary crew with them.

That's so smart I didn't even think about that when I watched every single shot is through the glass. Yes. And so they had to be able to have a total glass front on this office. But then we also needed this giant parking lot. So he was able to find all of that in this little empty mini mall. I want Kyle to come on the show. Me? He's like the master of every amazing location. So good. Get this. We had to bring all those cars.

And did you notice the faky snow residue? We put faky snow residue on all the cars. still dirty from last week. I know. And then our production designer Michael Gallenberg had to create the entire Prince family paper offices from scratch. Michael, we want you on too. Michael and Kyle, we want you on. We're coming for ya. So they're in the car and Dwight's got a little pair of binoculars and they're coming up with their plan. Dwight

White spinoculars are like industrial looking. They look like they have night vision. Yeah. And then here is my question. Through this whole scene, they are eating. What are they eating? Is it a giant can of nuts? I tried to zoom in. What is it? I did. Did you see it? I did. I did take a picture. I actually love the blooper for this scene so much that I filmed the blooper and I sent it to Rain.

And texted him and I was like, What are you guys eating? And he was cracking up. He said, Ange, I am pretty sure those were smoked almonds. Yeah, they looked like Almonds, but they had like stuff on'em. Yeah. He said he was pretty sure they were smoked almonds.

And while they're eating these almonds, they decide on a signal that they need to give each other if there's danger, if they need to get out of there. And Dwight says you gotta lick your lips. And Michael does a quick lick. Meanwhile they're eating these almonds the whole time. And Dwight goes no like this and does this big like think. Yeah. And in the process of doing this they started laughing and when they did, Rain in his laughter, in his goofah. Yeah.

Like projectile almond. It like flew and hit Steve in the face. I have the blooper clip. We're gonna need a signal to bolt out of there the slightest sign of danger. Oh okay not signal is lit your lips. Oh no! Oh dude, I'm so sorry. Oh f I'm still Oh sorry dude. He sprayed the side of his face with a wet half chewed almond. I mean you can hear it come out of his mouth. You really can.

And then Rain felt so bad and he grabs like a tissue and he he starts in the moment just reacted, he just starts wiping Steve's face. Oh my gosh, it's so good. This is so good.

Michael then has a talking head where he says that in nature there is a food chain where the bigger shark eats the littler shark and so on. Until it gets to the single cell shark. Exactly. And basically, you know, that's what they are. They're sharp. And then as he's getting out of the car, he's doing the whole Jaws thing. He goes into Prince Family Paper, he introduces himself as Michael Skarn, and he sits down and he starts having just the most wonderful conversation with Mr. Prince.

Michael's doing a kind of a good job. He is, and you know, he completely charms Mr. Prince. He does. He's a lawyer who knows a lot about paper because he is a genius. Yes. About some things, but not everything. Not everything. Everything. What's this? Is this a phone? Is this a phone? Mr Roger Prince can't get enough of it. He's cackling, laughing. He also learns that Prince Family Paper is a three person operation. Yeah. The prince, his wife Linda, and his son.

Yeah. And his granddaughter Rebecca sits in the corner. Angela, I did a guest star breakdown. for the members of Prince Family Paper. Oh great. So Roger Prince, the father, was played by Dan Desmond. And I found this really interesting. From nineteen ninety to two thousand and one, he was in five different episodes of Law and Order and he played a different character each time.

Let me tell ya, I love law and order and they do that. I they bring people back. One time you're a police officer, the next time you're a judge. I was literally just watching a law and order marathon, and I swear Jeremy Sisto. Mm-hmm. was like just a guest star, like a guy. And then in the next episode, he was a police officer in like a series regular. No, I don't know. I feel like the rules of law and order are sort of like a soap opera.

Yeah. While they loved Dan Desmond over at Law and Order, he was also in the movie Bruce Almighty and most recently in the miniseries Little Fires Everywhere. Roger Prince Jr. was played by Dan Backendah. You might recognize him for his recurring roles on VEP or the Goldbergs or Space Force. He was also a regular on Life in Pieces. He has also been on Law and Order. But just one episode. Okay.

Linda Price was played by Sharon Blackwood, who recently appeared in two episodes of Ozark has never been on Law and Order. None of them have been on monk. What? Craziness. Okay, wait. I have a law and order story. ¿Qué es eso? It's one of my more embarrassing audition stories. You audition for long time? I did. Shocker. Didn't get it. You'll know why. You guys, I was so excited. I love Law and Order. I would watch the marathon on TNT. I loved it. Yeah. Yeah, same. I still watch the

Still watch it. If it's on, I'm watching it. All right. I got an audition. I was so excited. And I was very new to auditioning. Okay. I'd only booked a few commercials. It was to be a real estate agent. You know how the guys at the top of the show would like interview people. While they were at work. And they're always too busy. I gotta get somewhere. Yeah, yeah, like he there's This murder you're investigating is a big inconvenience to me. I have to show a house. Yeah, exactly. Done.

Are we done? Exactly. I had just watched an episode where they were questioning these guys that were loading trash into a like a garbage truck. Yep. They did not stop loading their trash. No. They're gonna keep they're they're annoyed. I'm busy here. I gotta keep the truck moving. Always. I had this in my brain. In the script it said, they question a real estate agent as she is setting out her signs for the day with the little flag, her showing signs. Yeah. Right? You know those things.

Lady, I'm not even joking. I think I literally just saw this episode. Are you kidding? Yeah, there was a blonde woman and she had to be blonde. Because that was part of the plot. Yeah. By the way. Yeah. And she was talking to them while putting out the little sign for selling the house. Okay. Oh my god, I saw the part you didn't get!

Okay. So I go in there and I'm like, okay, I got this. So it's the casting agent. She's sitting across from her desk. I was so nervous, but I was like, I got this. I got this. Literally, it's three lines. It's like three or four lines. That's it. All I had in my brain was you will not interrupt me from putting out my real estate sign. Yeah. That's the energy. Jenna in this woman's office. I moved two chairs out of my way. Her chairs. Her chairs.

I move them, and then when we started the scene, I am setting things out. Settin' it out. Moving things out. Busy. Busy. I'm moving things. And it must have been really distracting. She said, You know what? Um, I'm gonna stop you. Oh no. You never want to hear that no. She was like, You're doing too much. Okay. You're doing too much. Stop moving things around and just deliver the lines. Mm-hmm. And I said, Okay. This went into my brain as Don't touch her chairs, but do some great space work.

Work. Yeah. Mime it. Now I mime putting out real estate signs. Mime mime mime mime mime mime I must have just looked ridiculous. I didn't get the part, I did too much business. You know who's been on Law and Order? Rain Wilson. Ugh. He plays a creepy janitor. Oh. Oh I need to see it. During one of my marathons, I was just sitting there and I was like, Oh, it's rain. Rain, there he is. You know who else has been on? Jackie DeBottin. Yeah, she was just on in the marathon I watched.

Jackie Well, if I ever get to audition for Law and Order again, I'm not gonna do a lot of business. Don't do it. Finally, Rebecca Prince, the little girl, was played by Emily Evan Ray, and she's gonna come back in a couple of episodes actually. Emily recently produced and directed a documentary called Stop the Bleed about the Mass Shooting in Parkland, Florida. My gosh.

Emily was born and raised in Parkland and she made the movie to give a voice to the family, friends, and the community who were affected. She won the Audience Award at the Fort Lauderdale Film Festival for Best Documentary. Wow. Yeah, that's what she's been up to. That's amazing. Yes. Well, on that note I think we should take a break and then we'll be back to join the group at Dunder Mifflin'cause they have more to say. There's a big debate going on.

Okay. And the debate is still going on, the hot or not. There's a whole debate about what is attractive hot. Right. Kevin has a lot to say. Most ever. But first, Jim is going to comment that you know, sometimes we forget to think of celebrities as real people. Kevin sort of says it's a gut thing, right? Mm-hmm. And then Jim gets all up in Kevin's ear and gives like a husky whistle. This sultry paints a picture of Hillary Swank coming up to him.

We got so much mail about John Krasinski's husky voice to Kevin in this episode. It was like I was too shy to put it in my document. Come on Give me one nugget, something you remember someone saying. One nugget. Basically this woman said what? John Krasinski could debate anything in my ear if he uses that voice. Ha ha ha! It was so funny to me. But I did write down this one because Laura B needed a soapbox moment, so I thought I'd give it to her.

Okay, Laura. Laura says this It always bothers me that when Stanley asks why they're making a distinction between beautiful and hot, Kevin says, quote, A painting can be beautiful, but I don't want to bang a painting. But later in the episode, Kevin turns around and tells Jim to respect the game after Jim narrates the saucy scenario with Hillary Swank. And Kevin says no, it's is she hot, not would you bang her? But he just used the same phrase to explain why he wouldn't bang a painting.

Kevin, you can't use the same argument on different sides. That's what Laura B says. She says you respect the game, Kevin. Yeah, Kevin. Laura, we hear you. Angela has been over in accounting. She hasn't wanted to participate, but she can't take it anymore. All right? Kevin holding court like this, she's had it. She gets up and she says, Okay, I wasn't going to dignify this discussion by getting involved.

But I don't even get the discussion. Hot is a temperature, people, but Kevin deserves to lose for what he said. So yes, she's hot. She's hot as heck. She's a female Boris Becker. I love it. Boris Becker is it for Angela Martin. Who knew? I know. I didn't even realize Angela Martin was a tennis fan. Clearly. Yeah. Well y'all, Boris Becker was a German tennis player who shot to stardom when he won the Wimbledon men's singles title in 1985.

It was significant because he was only seventeen years old, and he was the first unceded player and the first German to win the Wimbledon singles title, as well as the youngest ever male Grand Slam singles champion. It was huge. I watched it with my mom. My mom's a big, big tennis player. She's phenomenal. She was ranked by the USTA by her age group. I spent my whole childhood on a tennis court. Wow. Yeah. My mom is like

My mom's a badass tennis player. We're a big tennis family, guys. There are two things that are always on at our house, either the weather or tennis. Because my mom has the tennis channel. Yeah. And we'll watch old games. Oh, I'd love it when Boris Becker would play Stefan Egberg because my mom had shown me old games of Beyond Borg and he was the other big Swede. There was Stefan and Beyond Borg and Beyond Borg would play John McEnroe. Speaking of Boris Becker played John MacEnroe.

And it's one of the longest games in tennis history. It was the Davis Cup. It was six hours and something minutes. Can you imagine playing tennis for six hours? No. I can't imagine playing tennis for six minutes. So Anyway, Boris Becker does it for Angela Martin.

I think we should go back to Prince Family Paper, lady. We forgot to mention that Dwight has come in. He's going to pretend to get a job there. He says, Fire your son, I'll be your son. You can visit him on the weekends. Yeah. I know. He comes in like full in a china cabinet. And he's gonna explain to Mr Prince just how awful his current boss is, you know,'cause he says, Why are you looking for a new job? And he's like, Well, my current boss is cruel.

Meanwhile, Michael's kind of walking around, he wants to get a photograph of their kind of territory map over there by Mrs. Prince. And then he offers to help her granddaughter with a math problem. I have to say, when I was watching these scenes, I was just so impressed with the detail that went into this little set. I know. Well, I was emailing with Michael Gallenberg about this particular set and he said everything you see, they had to bring in. Crazy. Crazy. I loved all the details too. Well

Well I noticed on that little girl's desk, did you see it? She had her own nameplate. I know. It says Rebecca. I know. And also on the desk are all of these little like hand painted ceramic animals like the kind that your granddaughter would give to you.

And also, I noticed on the wall there was one of those photo collages, love framed photos. They had clearly asked the actors to bring in some pictures. And all of those details to me just like really set this up as a family business and it made the whole storyline even more heartbreaking. No, they had a whole family photo wall. I zoomed in, one is like a wedding photo. Uh and then there's like your grandson in his baseball uniform holding his baseball bat. Yeah.

There was a big painting like your kids do at preschool, where they take their hands and put it in paint and then they make their handprints into flowers. Yes. Just like the most amazing detail. I feel like this is Michael's. True dream office'cause it is a real family. Yes, Angela, you're so right. He wants his office to be his family, and this office is a family. I know. Well that's gonna weigh on his heart strings.

Well, as he wraps up his visit, he gets Mr. Prince to just hand him a list of their top clients. Oh, Mr. Prince, he's just so trusting. He's like, listen, if you want to see we do a good job, here's all of our references, here's all of our clients. Ugh. Well Dwight and Michael immediately start licking their lips. Yeah. It's time to get out of it. Time to get out of there. Dwight says, Sir, can you give me a ride home? Michael's like, yeah.

And then they sprint, they walk, hurry, hurry, hurry to the car. Get out, peel out, peel out. Because they know they got all the info. Yes. Well, as they're trying to flee, Michael runs over like the parking curb. Over the bumper. I don't know what you call that thing. It's like a partition, it's like the cement block so you don't go into the other spot. What? I've done it. I've done it, but I haven't backed back over. No of course once you Realize you go over it. Keep going!

Well, I asked Randy how did we do this stunt? What do you say? He said we had two different identical cars, one that was totally normal and one that was pre-rigged with a damaged bumper. So Steve never damaged a car. And if you notice, the camera stays inside the car on Dwight and Michael. So what Steve was actually driving over were just a couple of sandbags. Well it totally sold it.

It did and they had to add all that kind of crunching effect in editing. So yeah. Fakey cement thing was actually sandbags and sound effects. The Prince family hears this commotion and they come running out and of course Mr. Prince because he's so sweet offers to fix the bumper and they're like, no, no, no, wait, well, wait, no, please let us we'll get a tow truck and he's like, oh no, they're too expensive. I got it. And Jenna, this scene made me think of my dad.

It made me think of my dad too, because of the duct tape. My dad. Dad would fix anything with duct tapes. My dad did this with my first car. The handle on my glove box broke. Okay. My dad duct taped it. You know what it's making me think of? What? Josh's duct tape is zip ties. All over the house. Your husband zip ties it, our dads would duct tape it. Yeah. My dishwasher tray has been zip tied for four years. Mm-hmm. It finally fell apart. We had to get a new dishwasher.

But you can pretty much fix anything with duct tape. Pretty much. Including a whole bumper. So now they're in the car. They're going to head back. Dwight still is celebrating, he wants to do high fives. He calls them the Sucker Family. I know. Dwight is that like young kid on the soccer field who doesn't know when to stop. Yeah. Like you scored the goal, now stop taunting. Yeah. All right. Exactly.

Michael is having some regrets. Yeah. Dwight tries to high five Michael and Michael's like not having any of it. So back in the office, Toby is studying Hillary Swank. Pamba's gonna make a speech. She's gonna appeal to the ladies of the office. Yeah, what are we gonna let the Kevins of the world decide things for us? Mm-hmm. And then Oscar projects this picture of Hillary Swank's face with all this grid on it, right? Yeah. Thank you. And he talks about coinophilia.

The symmetry, right? Of the face. So koinophilia is this stay with me here evolutionary hypothesis for explaining why certain animals seek mates that look a certain way. And it proposes that animals, including humans, find the symmetry of features most attractive. I read all about it. I barely understood it. Okay. It was very wordy.

But in ancient Greece They created something called the Golden Ratio of Beauty, or Phi, it's a mathematical equation, and it says if your face possesses a specific set of ratios, of distance between the different features on your face. They believed it could be mathematically proven that you had a perfect face. This equation is what Da Vinci used when he was creating his Vertruvian man. Oh.

That is what Oscar's, I think, really talking about. I think he's talking about ratios. I don't think he's really talking about quinophilia. Stanley's gonna address the group and he makes a really moving speech about how he's trying to be more optimistic in life. And in years past he might have been critical, but he's not gonna be that person anymore. No. Oh I liked this speech. I do too.

So you know, he's saying, Why are we doing this to one another? Let's just live our lives, basically. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Andy calls for a final vote on Hillary Swank's hotness. It's another tie. We discover like this is what happens. People just argue their position, they don't listen. That's what Oscar says. Yeah, no one's moved. No one's moving. Michael gets back to the office during all of this. He's clearly worked up. He goes in his office with Dwight.

They shut the door. He doesn't want to go through with it. Yeah. Dwight knows that Michael is bailing, so he's gonna try his best to convince Michael that what they did was right. And of course, he's going to use the one argument that will clearly point this out to Michael, which is a Lord of the Rings analogy. Dwight says there was a terrible war. Ugh, so many died, far too many died, but if Frodo hadn't destroyed the ring, then goodness itself might have died.

I didn't understand that. I was Michael. I have questions. I wrote'em down. Okay, I thought you might. Listen, I am not a Lord of the Rings expert. I don't want to get male, guys. I just am a fan. I've seen the movies multiple times. I've read some of the books. It's a big commitment to get through them all. Okay? I have not gotten through them all. Okay. Well here's my first question. Okay. Who is the Lord of the Rings? Okay.

Is it Frodo? No. Is it the guy with the beard? No. It's not like a one person. What is the ring? Well Well it's called the one ring, right? The one ring to rule them all. Lord. Okay. All right. Where do I even start? First of all, here's what I want to say. I know the battle that Dwight's referencing.

I'm pretty sure it's the Battle of the Black Gate, right? Which is the big major battle for the War of the Ring. They fought it right in front of the gate and they were trying to distract the eye of Sauron because The Eye of Sauron tracks whoever holds the ring and Frodo had the ring and Frodo was trying to get to Mount Doom to drop it into the lava lake thing, right? That's the one place it can be destroyed. Why is he destroying it? Because it's innately evil. I'll explain. Okay.

So it's called the Lord of the Rings, but it's one ring. So it shouldn't be why it's not called Lord of the Okay, okay. Okay. So Bilbo Baggins, right? Oh my god. He found the ring. Gollum had been hiding it. This is a really bad overview from me. Anyway, he gave it to Frodo and you know, Gandalf realized that Bill Baggins, like when he had the ring, it kind of made him a different person. So Gandalf was like, something's up with that, you know?

But there was this inscription when you take the ring and you put it in the fire, because just fire can't kill it. Dragon fire can't kill it. Not even dragon fire. No, no, won't melt the ring. But when you put it like in the fire, it has an inscription and it's written I think is it in Elfish Guys? Okay, don't write me. I believe so.

one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them. So the ring is essentially evil in nature, cause it's an extension of Sauron, okay? And Sarun's like bad He's bad, bad But anyway, Frodo ultimately you know, puts it in the lava lake thing and it finally is destroyed. So lava is hotter than dragon fire. Well no, it had to go to Mount Doom specifically. Because that's where Sauron made it. Oh, so it had to go back to where it came from. Right.

Could only sort of melt into its original source material. Yeah, I think so. Okay. Here's a cool thing, you know. Can I just I before I know we're talking about the ring, uh-huh. But at the end of this, are you going to tell me who the Lord of the Rings is? No, because it's it's not It's no one. It's not one of those. Oh god. Sam? Okay, well so originally they make a bunch of rings. Yes. There's like

Nine for the m like men, some for the elves, some for the dwarves. Right. Then the one ring can rule them all. That's what makes it so dangerous. Right. And I guess I mean technically the lord of all the rings would be Sauron, who made it. Well, because he made the one ring. If you were to get this ring, you would be the lord of all the rings. But it will corrupt you in the world. Thank you. Yeah, yeah. It damages people.

Smeagle the golem, it'll Yeah. And the humans the humans it makes them like Yeah. Makes you insane and murderous and jealous and off. I mean that sounded good actually, Sam. That was you made that interesting. Oh Oh my god, I'm sitting right here. I mean while I was listening to that I was like That sounds like really Shakespearean and sort of like maybe I'd like it.

Maybe read the books, maybe you'd like the books better than the movies because you lose interest when things get fantastical and you could just flip a few pages past that.

I don't know. Well, Michael is not moved by Dwight's Lord of the Rings logic. Yeah. Like you, he's like, nah, I don't no, okay, whatever. I mean, you know, he's gonna sprint out of the office with the piece of paper. He's gonna destroy it. I assumed he was gonna run to the shredder? Yeah. No. He's runs all the way outside to his car. But shoot, he forgot his keys. Meanwhile, Dwight is chasing him, trying to get it from him. He gets his keys and then goes back out.

And we know how elaborate it was to shoot that because all of those places, the stairwell, the hallway, they're all in different locations, in different buildings. Oh, yeah. So they would have to reset up and then make those guys run and then move and set up and make those guys run. They did such a good job of selling how tired they were,'cause they only ever really had to run for short distances. Right. Right. It was not actually all tied together.

In the end, Dwight is like, Michael, you have to do this because if if we don't do this, someone will do this to us. It will happen. Yeah. Did you see the piles of faky snow outside in the parking lot? I did. Nice touch. Nice touch. Ultimately Michael agrees to call Wallace and give him the Prince Paper Client list. And he realizes he's not a shark. No. It broke my heart that he gave him the list. I know! I was really rooting for Michael to destroy the list. There's gonna be a callback to it.

Brutal, brutal. Michael has a talking head. He shares it's a bittersweet moment. There was an alt talking head. I have to play it, guys. It's in deleted scenes. The last line of it made me spit out my iced tea as I was watching it. Okay. I've always been intrigued with the idea of ruling with an iron fist. And it is good for rolling. But you know what it's not good for? for caressing the face of a child. Or making love to a woman with your hands. Or thumb wrestling. Or hanging out in the rain.

Or if you walk through a magnet store, you get covered in magnets. I'm done. No more iron fisting for me. Uh he is so ridiculous. How did Steve get through that? I don't know. How did he get that? I don't know. All of it. It's so ridiculous. It made me laugh. I was like, everybody needs to hear this. How would they pick? How would they all of these are so good. How do they get in the editing room? They have to pick one. Oh, we have to ask Greg about that sometime. I wanna hear more about.

They're processed. Pick things. I mean, I know they would bring us in sometimes and ask our opinion, but it feels like every episode they were having to make these decisions. While Michael ends up ultimately being the tiebreaker. Yes, he very casually says she's hot. Yeah. And then our team wins. Our team won. And we had a lot of tangents in this guy. We did. We hope you enjoyed it. This is just a window into our searches. Next week with stress relief. an epic cold open Next week.

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