Dwight’s Mustard Shirt & Pam’s Cardigans

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Did you get my audio memo about my knees yet?

No, did you leave it on the drive in?

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I was talking to my mom.

That's fine.

I always talk to her on my drive in.

I'm so excited about my knees. I have to check out the

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Okay, you know, my knees have been aching from my tamoxifen for like so long that it became just like this baseline existence.

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I didn't complain about it much. You're like, Oh, I've heard you complain about a lot of things, but I've been keeping the knees to myself. But I went to acupuncture yesterday for my hot flashes, which are back, which you've gotten many messages about. And while I was there, I just offhandedly said, by the way, my knees are like also super achy. Lady? I left that acupuncture session, 35 minutes of acupuncture. My knees are not aching. It was one of those things, you know, like when you're sick.

We parked at the same time and we got right into just like catching up, you know, chatter. I thought you had a pep in your step.

I'm so excited!

I just thought you were in a really good mood. But maybe it's also because you don't have like ouch, you know, when you walk.

Yeah. So all my tamoxifen ladies, I just want to throw it out there. If you're having the achy joints, which is a very common side effect, I don't know. The acupuncture, it was great. Not working on the hot flashes right now, but that's all right. We're one thing at a time.

Okay, one thing at a time.

Right. Should we get into this episode? Because we had a very hilarious start to our day so far, involving you, Angela.

Yeah. Well, in honor of today's episode, you guys, I am dressed in Dwight's mustard shirt and I brought a brown tie, but I didn't know how to tie it. Josh was already gone when I was getting dressed and so Sam tried, then Jenna tried.

First I gave up. I immediately gave up. I couldn't remember. I panicked. My mind went completely blank. I'd never put a tie on before. What? And then it took two minutes for all my life to come back to me. Yeah.

Oh my goodness.

I tried. Eventually Sam got it. It's not great though, Sam. No.

No it's not ideal.

To be fair, like the back part is longer than the front part, but it's on

You know what?

It's a win.

And do I look like Dwight?

No, I mean you look kind of adorable. Yes, you do.

Okay. Well thank you. Well, why don't we tell everyone what we're doing today?

Yes, this is a perfect example of what I love about our new format for Office Lady 6.0.

Yeah, it was inspired, you guys, by a letter sent in from Christy D. in Wheeling, West Virginia. She titled her letter, Diaries of the Mustard Shirt.

You were so excited when you got this piece of mail. You told me we are doing an episode about Dwight's mustard shirt and you have not told me what Christy sent in. You got this letter, snail mail, and you have hidden it from me. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. And also, Jenathan, this led you to have the idea to deep dive Pam's cardigans. Yes. So today's episode is Dwight's mustard shirt and Pam's cardigans. And we both have some fun nuggets to share. We have not told each other. I have something that I am so excited for you to hear. It is from someone you know very well, and you do not know this information about Dwight Shirt. I know.

Oh, okay. Well, first let's start with our chit chat suggestions sent in by Melissa C from Washington.

Hey ladies, so my chit chat suggestion is the opposite of pet peeves. Plenty of people have pet peeves, little things that drive them crazy. But I'm wondering if you guys have anything that I like to call dainty delights. Just little random things in life that bring you a disproportionate amount of joy. A couple of those things for me are if I'm able to do the perfect eyeliner swoop in one stroke.

I

I would just love to hear what your dainty delights are.

Thanks ladies.

I just love the expression dainty delight.

It's same.

And you know, Melissa, I thought a lot about this when we chose this chit chat for this week because I I realized something about myself that I hadn't really put together before. Yeah. Dainty delights are what get me through life. It's not really the big milestone moments, you know, that yeah, sometimes everyone, that's what they clamor on about, but the dainty delights, like just get me through whatever life throws my way.

It's true. And I love this moment to name them and to think about them because I thought of so many little things.

Same.

All right, what'd you think of?

I mean just so many little things. Like You know, I just love my back porch. You know, for years I didn't really have a table. It was dirt and not enough concrete. And we finally just made a space where I could put a table, you know? And I love it. And I sit out there a couple of times a week in the morning with just my cup of tea and I just sit there and I listen to the birds and I look at my feeders and I'm just so happy.

I know this about you. Yeah. It's your most favorite place to be.

It is. Yeah. And then one of the things I love to do, and I actually have one for you, lady. I made it for you. I did not bring it in today because I just want to bring it straight to your house.

Okay.

You know, I love to repopulate succulents. Mm-hmm. So I have my big mama succulent, I call her. She's super old. She's really big. And whenever she's too full and starts leaning over her pot, I take a little piece and I put it in a pot. So now I have her children all around my house. And then also I'll just put it, you know, in the ground if one falls off. And so I just have succulents everywhere. So I took some clippings from one of my big pots and I put it into a pot for you.

Oh I'm so excited.

Yeah. But I love doing that. I've done that for people before and I've done it for neighbors or just like a teacher. And it makes me so happy to see my succulent. It's like I feel so connected to nature in a way and like sharing nature like that. Those are two that came to the top of my mind.

Well...

I know I've shared this on the podcast before, that I love my first cup of coffee in the morning.

You do.

And I think I've also shared that my favorite way to have my first cup of coffee is in a handmade mug. Something made by hand by a person. I just love touching a piece of art while I'm drinking that first cup of coffee. So I collect those. And in general, I just like to drink coffee out of a mug. If I have to go somewhere in the morning. I don't love a travel mug.

Lady, I've never shared this with you. So I have a lot of tennis rituals you don't know.

Okay.

So I take my tea and a travel mug, a big one, to tennis in the morning, but I pack in my tennis bag a ceramic coffee mug. That I then pour it into when I get to tennis. Cause I don't like the metal. Like I don't know. I liked uh the mug taste. You know what I mean?

Well, that's what I do when we come to podcast. I bring it in the insulated thing, but then I have my pockets mug that I pour it into when I get here. But when I do school drop off. I still want coffee and I'm just going to do the school route. Right. And then drive home. It's, you know, I've got like an hour loop to do all the drop offs and all the things. And I want coffee with me, but I don't want to drink it out of a to-go mug. So my dainty delight is that I found a ceramic

But you're drinking out of s ceramic? Yeah.

Yes, while I'm driving. And I don't even put the lid on because I'm just

You're crazy like that.

I am. In the carpool line, there's always this one other mom that I see. And she's got like a full regular mug of coffee with her. And we've talked about it. I've been like, I see you. I know this. Cause I've done that. I've driven with a mug. I've gone for walks in my neighborhood holding a mug of coffee in the morning.

I once sent you a picture. I was on vacation and I took a mug of tea on my walk and I sent it to you, not knowing this about you until right this moment. And Jenna, I remember what you wrote back. You were like, Oh This is my favorite thing. And I this whole time thought it was because I was on a beach. No. It's because I had a mug in my hand.

Walking on the beach with a mug of your

Yeah.

Yes, I do.

And I was like, Oh, she loves Hawaii. And not that you don't, but it was the mug. It was the mug to you.

Yeah.

So when I

found this item. It was at like a little breakfast place and I saw it and I like exclaimed. I was like, look at this. I've been looking for that'cause it is really hard to drive with a mug of coffee.

Well it's probably not safe.

But I immediately texted the other coffee mug mom and I was like, I'm gonna make your day right now. Look at what I found. So that is my dainty to light. I really love it every morning and I have found a way that no matter where I'm going or what I'm doing, I can have my coffee out of a ceramic mug, my travel one. It's not handmade, but

But it serves a purpose.

Yeah, but I bet I could find a handmade version of it. You know, it just has to fit in a cup holder, basically.

I think this might be a case for a mom detective.

Mm-hmm. Or a lady who Googles.

It's sort of one and the same. Sam, do you have a dainty delight?

I do. I think this counts. The last two or three times that I've come home from the studio recording here, the music I've been listening to, the song has faded out exactly as I'm parking my car. Like when I turn my key off, it's like the last symbol. Or the last guitar is just ringing out and I turn my key off. And it's it's as close to what I imagine doing heroin must be like just this warm, gooey feeling that spreads over me for at least an hour.

Yeah.

That is such like a feeling of satisfaction though when anything times out that way.

That and I recommend the subreddit R slash Thinks Fitting Perfectly. It's just a collection of like somebody buying a D V D and it perfectly fitting into the missing slot that they had on their shelf. Or like a puzzle piece being put in. The last puzzle piece is a popular one. It's all what like this feeling, this dainty delight, that gooey feeling you get.

I love it. What about you?

Sam, I love when the song ends right as you're pulling it. There's nothing like that.

Is this a particularly like a man thing?

I think it might be a straight line. You're imagining your walking off stage having just performed.

You're in your own music video.

I forgot about that. I love that. I do love my mugs. I found a dainty delight in a very unexpected place, which is physical therapy that I've been going to recently. I had a minor knee injury and I was really not looking forward to going to physical therapy. And it is the best vibes in there. It's this like husband and wife shop, and there's all these people in there. And we're talking about

I love it.

That really makes me happy.

I think that's you're going tomorrow. Or you you can't wait. You can't wait.

That's the highlight of your week.

Oh my gosh. Well, Melissa, thank you so much.

Yeah, we really enjoyed that chit-chat. And we're gonna take a break. And when we come back, it's time for diaries of the mustard shirt.

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All right, we're back, and Angela and Sam have been, I don't know, in secret discussions about some secret clip.

I sent a secret clip this morning.

Okay.

Okay. Well, my share today, as you guys know, is all about Dwight's mustard shirt. And if you remember when we had our amazing costume designer on the podcast, Carrie Bennett. She talked about how when she was putting together the costumes for the office, she went to an actual paper company called the Glendale Paper Company to observe the look and the feel of this small business.

Okay.

Here it is.

Hey everybody. Hey office ladies. It's me, Holiday, wife of Rain Wilson Fork. Three hundred years. Uh you know, a little over thirty years. But it's so good to be here. And listen, I know that there's been some Talk and magic and mystery about the origin of Dwight's mustard shirt. So I just wanted to add a little story to the

Ha ha ha.

I was inspired by pictures of my father who was a dentist, and he was like the president of his dental school class, and he wore these really shirts just like that, short sleeved, pen protector, you know, and we were like, where can we go for that? So we went to Sears at the Oaks. I don't even know if Sears exists anymore, but Anyway, we were looking for like

Love you. Bye.

That is amazing. And lady, while she was telling that story, I pulled up Rain's audition video. And he is wearing, he looks like in the video, he's wearing the kind of green.

'Cause they bought two. Yeah.

Look. Like the hair. Amazing.

Yeah.

I had no idea. Wow.

Isn't that just so fantastic? Just their partnership. Yeah. Their marriage is so special. They are just really each other's rock. And I just it transported me back to those early days, you know, when you had an audition and you're scrambling with your friend or your partner, just like, hey, can you help me put together this outfit? Like I want to look the

It just again, it's an example of how open like Greg was to our vision of our characters because he borrowed so much of what we put into our auditions. Costume, hair, look, all of it.

Yeah, so I've been holding on to this for so long because when I was at the Lee Day Haiti dinner that we had after the tennis event. Some fans had put together questions and they wanted to ask Rain about this mustard shirt, this iconic look. And he was like, Well, really, Holiday is the one that should answer that question. And she told the story. And I was like, Oh my goodness, we have to share this on the podcast. Yeah. I mean, I never knew that they put the outfit together themselves.

Amazing.

Amazing. And I do want to say there are some comparisons online to Dwight's look to that of two different characters on the movie Office Space from 1999. David Herman plays Michael Bolton and Steven Root, who plays Milton, both kind of have this short sleeve button-down shirt look. Yeah. That probably looked a lot like Holiday's dad. Yeah. That was sort of that. Outdated style. I did a side by side because I know you love a side-by-side.

Side.

And I'll put it in our stories, but I do see it. Here it is.

Oh yeah. I see it. Mm-hmm. There's something about the short sleeve shirt with the tie. It's a just a special kind of

Person?

Yeah, I get it. It's like you're hot under your suit jacket. I mean, especially as a woman with hot flashes.

I would do the shirt.

I would do a short sleeve shirt under my blazer.

Well, I went to the show Bible to see what it said about Dwight's shirts. And per the show Bible, this is what it says. Dwight doesn't like long-sleeve shirts. Not enough blood circulating to his hands.

Yes, he has a line about that.

And he has a shirt guy in the Garment District of New York. Wow. Wow. But now let's really dig in with this fantastic letter sent in from Christy D in Wheeling, West Virginia. Here's the opening paragraph. titled Diaries of the Mustard Shirt. Dear Office Ladies, I know Dwight is known for wearing a mustard shirt. I decided to find out if that is truly his favorite shirt. Let me first explain how I broke down the shirt.

Okay, got it.

If Dwight wore a shirt, then changed and changed back into the original shirt, it only counted as one shirt. For example, season two, episode six. Dwight has on a mustard shirt, then he changes for the fight, then he changes back into the mustard shirt when they get back to the office. That only counts as one mustard shirt. I mean she really dug in, lady.

I appreciate that she has a system.

Well, lady, I went through her entire accounting of every single type of shirt that Dwight wore. It's 11 pages.

Wow.

Season by season. And since my focus today is about specifically Dwight's mustard shirt, here are some of the stats from Christy's document. In season one, no mustard shirt the entire season. Dwight wore these colors: shades of gray, lightish brownish green, and one black anime shirt.

Wow, but all short sleeve.

All short sleeve. Oh, this is a short sleeve document here.

Okay. Short sleeve is we assumed. Yes. Yes.

In season two, we have our very first mustard shirt sighting, episode two, sexual harassment. In the original version, if you go to one minute and thirty-three seconds. Dwight's iconic mustard shirt makes its television debut.

I can't believe that we didn't get a mustard shirt until season two. It kind of blows my mind.

Yeah, it was like shades of greys and light blues and greens.

Okay.

In season two, there were a total of seven mustard sightings. In season three, there were a total of nine mustard shirts. Season four has seven. Then we have the trifecta of the big mustard shirt seasons. Are you ready? Yes. Season five is our big winner, twenty two mustard shirts. What?

Wait, season five had like twenty six episodes and he wore twenty two mustard shirts.

Correct.

Wow.

Then season six had fifteen mustard shirts, season seven had eighteen. Season eight, seven, season nine, six, a total of ninety-one mustard shirts in the entire series.

Okay. Two hundred and one episodes of the office, ninety-one mustard shirts.

There you go.

Wow.

Lastly, I really thought we should hear from Dwight himself on how he regards his famous mustard shirt. It's from season five, episode nine, Frame Toby.

Okay, let's get this started. What are you doing? I am the bait. Or what? Men find me desirable. No, no, no. Well, it's a good day too. I'm wearing my mustard shirt. You're the bait for Toby? Mm-hmm. No.

Ha ha ha.

It's a good day too. I'm wearing my mustard shirt. Yeah.

I love it that we refer to it as a mustard shirt.

It's perfect. Yeah. And I want to wrap up my Dwight's Mustard Shirt section of this episode with this that I've read online. I was really curious. If Dwight thinks his mustard shirt is his lucky shirt, right? It's a good day because he's wearing his mustard shirt, then what does liking the color yellow say about you?

Oh.

So this is according to Empower Yourself with Color Psychology, I found on the internet. And there was a whole list of different characteristics of your personality, but here are the ones I thought spoke to Dwight. If your favorite color is yellow, you might have a personality that can be very critical of yourself as well as others. You are a perfectionist. You analyze everything all the time and are methodical in your thinking.

Very dwight.

You like to think you are intelligent and well-educated with knowledge about mini topics.

Yeah.

You are good at anything that involves the mind rather than physical pursuits, chess, crosswords, card games, etc.

I don't know.

I don't know. Oh, he was pretty good at basketball. Yeah. Yeah. All right, here are the final two. You are a smart dresser and always dress to impress. Hmm. Now I think Dwight did like to dress nice. I think in his mind, he took pride in his suit.

Yes, he did. That's right. Just because it maybe didn't land on others as fashionable, it doesn't mean he wasn't making an effort to be polished each day in his way.

Exactly. And then lastly If you like the color yellow, you can also be arrogant, pretentious, and snobbish. And if you want to get Dwight's look, you can go to tvstyleguide.com. It's got the whole list of everything that makes up a Dwight look.

That was delightful. It was especially delightful coming from you dressed as you are. I wish everyone had a visual of this because it really was great.

Here, take a picture and I'll put it in our stories. All right. I'm very excited to hear all about Pam's cardigan.

Well it's interesting because initially when we talked about this, I was gonna talk about the history of pantyhose.

You were.

Because I wore so many pairs of pantyhose as Pam. But when I started to deep dive it, it was kind of meh. Like it wasn't inspiring me.

Okay.

Okay. So I pivoted and I started to deep dive the cardigan sweater, something else that I wore a lot of on the office, and it did not disappoint. And lady, I think you in particular are going to love this.

Oh my goodness. I'm so excited. You did bring a cardigan in today.

I'm not wearing it because of my hot flashes, but it's here. Yeah. It's on the back of my chair.

So

According to the internet, because I read several articles. The Cardigan is named after James Thomas Brunennell, the seventh Earl of Cardigan. So sus? And it dates back to the mid nineteenth century. Because Thomas Brudenell was a British Army officer who was famous for leading the charge of the light brigade during the Crimean War. That could be a whole other podcast.

Okay.

This charge, it did not go well.

Oh, is this the Office Ladies Do History?

Yes. Basically, he led a group of men on horses. They had swords.

Okay.

And they charged the Russians who had artillery.

This is the cardigan guy. Yeah. Okay. Swords versus

Yeah.

Artillery.

Basically, they had gotten some bad military intelligence.

Sounds like it.

But this whole battle, it made him famous and the men who were in the charge, there were Several fatalities and people taken as prisoners, but they were praised for their bravery in carrying out orders when they were so outmatched. Like they didn't give up. They were like, this is what we were gonna do. So we're gonna do it. Anyway, long story short.

Okay.

And then later they added arms to it.

So it started as a vest.

And it soon became sort of like a staple of the British Army's attire. And it was this garment, it could keep them warm in battle, but it was also easily removed because they used to have like pullover sweaters and stuff.

Right.

You don't have time for that. You're in battle. Yeah. You know, you gotta get that off quick if you're hot. Right. Also, unlike a traditional military jacket, it didn't restrict their movement. It was like really easy to move their arms.

I would relate, by the way.

Yes, he would love that.

Because he needs circulation to his hand.

Yes, knitted military jacket basically. Transforms into the cardigan. And was made famous by this guy. So then by the late 1800s, it kind of transitioned into everyday fashion. It was mostly worn by gentlemen while hunting or fishing. So this really originated as a men's garment.

Yeah, come on.

On. Then in the 1950s, the cardigan gained popularity in the United States because people like Grace Kelly and Marilyn Monroe were frequently photographed wearing a cardigan. For women, cardigans were considered stylish and preppy. For men, They were still going strong, but they were sort of like if you were an intellectual or an academic, like Albert Einstein wore a lot of cardigans. So if you were a smarty pants, you might be in a cardigan now.

Right.

And then of course, in the nineteen eighties, with grunge fashion, you had Kurt Cobain rocking the slouchy cardigans. So the cardigan is kind of just an amazing item of clothing. It has evolved over time, it has taken so many forms. But in all of its forms it is

You still can.

I know.

Never say never. I could totally see Pam sweaters brought to you by Jenna Fisher at some department store.

I know. How do people do that? How do you get a perfume? How do you get a wine?

How many? I don't know. Lady, remember when we very first started the podcast? I'm talking 2019. And I wanted an office ladies rose.

You about killed me with that

I'd started doing research.

Lady, I talked to a winery about it.

I know.

And it just was like it was so

Whole other job. It's like a another job. Like we already have a job. But

Like how do people have the bandwidth for all these like variations of themselves? I don't know.

But I love that you immediately were like, You're gonna talk about the rose.

I mean, that was like a year of my life. Anyway.

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Brian creates it.

They have their whole Mescal. Mescal. I know.

Where's the office ladies, Rose?

Where is it? Where's Pam's cardigan?

I don't know.

Jenna Fisher Cardigans. I don't know.

Angela Martin's cat beds. Where are you

Where are these things?

Who does this? How do you do the side hustle? Someone write us.

Ha

So anyway, I wore a lot of cardigans on the office, and we've discussed before how the costume department made each of us a closet of clothes.

Yeah.

And mine had pencil skirts, button-down shirts, and cardigans, and they would just mix and match them for various episodes. And it was really important to the reality of our characters that we repeat clothings. So you see things repeat. And it's funny because I found a ton of articles of people breaking down Pam's cardigans. according to their colors and how they relate to the episodes.

Yeah.

And then also there were times when things were scripted, like in the merger, Pam says, oh, my mom knitted this for me. There's a lot of chatter online about whether or not that was truly a hand knit cardigan. I want everyone to know when we broke down that episode, I revealed that it was not.

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It was store bought, but there were modifications made. We added that big chunky button. We tried to add things to make it look hand knit. But I mean it's like we got that script. One week? Who's like fast knitting this sweater for me? I guess they could have found a hand knit sweater, but we're going for something specific. Also,

though in a time crunch, it's just harder to find those very specific handmade things.

And you need duplicates of everything. Every outfit we had two of in case you got coffee spilled on it or who knows what. I don't know. But Every outfit had a duplicate outfit. Right. So to find two identical hand knit sweaters in five days, that was a challenge.

Yeah, exactly.

Color I wore the least that I only wore for holiday episodes was red. And my favorite cardigan is that vintage. holiday cardigan that I wear. It's

It's so great.

I'm still bummed I don't have...

You have scoured the internet to see if there's another one out there. They don't make it anymore. Yes.

But everyone, if you pay attention to Pam's arc, whatever she's going through emotionally, and you note her cardigan, there is often a correlation and that was intentional. And One final thing, Angela, you know, and we've shared before that they always tried to buy our clothing at stores that reflected the price point of what our characters could actually afford from whatever our salary might be at Dunder Mifflin. This was true of all of my sweaters, but there's one very big exception.

Literally sparkle. Yes. Like the light hits all those little like stones and you shimmer.

And I did keep that one. I have a blue one, a pink one, and I have the sparkly one.

Oh that's great.

So that's your little history on the cardigan and a little bit more info on PAMPS cardigans, everybody.

Well, I loved every second of that, and I loved how much thought went into our show and how many layers there were to just any episode you watch.

Well, it's true. I mean, something as simple as, you know, a work shirt or a cardigan, they were items of clothing, but they were used to tell a story.

One hundred percent. I mean, Angela Martin definitely had her different outfits for different occasions.

Even though they were all shades of grey.

And cream.

All right, well why don't we take a break? We'll be back with some around the town and our office question of the week.

All right, we are back, and our first around the town comes from Sally S in Evansville, Indiana, who said this weekend our local Girls on the Run Council held the celebratory 5K events for the girls in our program. I was honored to serve as the head for our planning committee, and I'm so proud of our team for putting on the largest and most successful event in our county.

What a great organization. Sally, thanks for writing in. And our next one is from William S in Orange County, California. William says, in what might be the most wholesome community event ever? Orange County Speed Puzzlers hosted an all-day puzzle hangout for members of the local jigsaw puzzling community. Puzzlers of all skill levels met in Mission Viejo to enjoy each other's company over their shared love of jigsaw puzzles.

I wanna go.

Puzzle. I love puzzling.

I love puzzling. You know, that time of year where like it's just like rainy and whatever and you don't go out as much. And I'm like, ooh, let's bust out a puzzle.

Yeah. I love Ravensburger. Okay.

They're the best. That's the best puzzle. Yes. Agree.

They have a new series right now called the cozy series. It's all exactly what it sounds like: a cozy ski cabin, a cozy beach cabin, a cozy reading nook, and you puzzle. This little cozy world. There's always a cup of warm liquid, and there's like a little puppy or something sitting on a rug.

Or in a basket. Lady, for your Yankee Swap Christmas party this past year, if you remember, I know you love that I brought the disco ball and the champagne. Very much. But we had to bring five gifts because it was our my whole family. And one of our gifts was a big box. with three Ravensburger puzzles in it.

It was a hot item.

I know.

got stolen.

Multiple times. Not stolen for real, but like in the game.

Of course. They're really the best. Talk about a dainty delight, the feeling of a Ravensburger puzzle piece.

If you need something to bring to a Yankee swap, let me tell you that was heavily traded.

Can I also tell you that I was at a party And someone shared with me that instead of a book club, they have a puzzle club and once a month they get together, they order takeout, and they drink wine and they just puzzle until the puzzle's done.

That sounds like an amazing evening.

I know. And you don't have to do anything ahead of time.

You don't. I have friends back in my hometown in Texas that get together and they do embroidery and they call it Stitch and Bitch.

All right. Our last around the town is coming from Grace H in Connecticut, who said, ladies, I have listened to the podcast since the very beginning. When I would put it on as I drove to high school, I am now graduating college. I am completing my bachelor's of architecture at Syracuse University. Woohoo. Yes. And your podcast has been by my side from late nights making models to walking around campus and everywhere in between.

Yeah, let's do it.

Jessica G from Fort Wayne graduated from Indiana University of Diagnostic Medical Sonography.

Gianna A. from Leesburg, Florida, graduated high school with plans to attend Southeastern University and major in ministerial leadership.

Justina from New Jersey is graduating college with a graphic design and fine arts major, and she is currently working in Philly. It's kind of like Justina is living Pam's life if Pam had gotten her degree.

And finally, congrats to Carly S. from Enterprise Alabama, Sarah G from Joliet Junior College, Katie M from San Antonio, Texas, and Hannah B. from Arkansas. We got your announcements and we are wishing you all the best.

We really love getting these announcements each spring, so please keep them coming. Our P.O. box is on our website. We did want to say one thing though. We are very sorry, but we cannot accommodate autograph requests. So please do not send us your Funko Pop box because they get sorted out. And we don't want you to not have that.

But we love hearing from you guys. Please, when you write us your letters, when you send us your graduation announcements, your wedding invitations, all of those are so wonderful. We'll share things like that and around the town.

All right. I think it's time for us to move on to our office question of the week. But dare I say reading people's around the towns is another dainty delight.

It is. Thank you. Way to bring it full circle, lady.

All right. This is from Louise F from Scotland, who said, Hey, office ladies, I have always wondered. What would happen if someone was the main focus of an episode one week, but when it came to filming, they were so ill that they couldn't come to set? Would the episode be rewritten or filmed a different week? Surely with the amount of episodes you guys filmed, this was bound to happen at some point. Oh Louise.

Louise. Louise, first of all, hi from Scotland. I love Scotland.

Yes.

Okay, I just had to say that. I went there for my honeymoon. You know how much I love Scotland. Okay. Now I'm gonna focus. Yes.

So here's the thing. We had to just go to work anyway. Basically is the short answer. There are so many moving parts and so many people involved in pulling an episode together that if it was written and planned and there was a shoot schedule, it was very hard to undo that. And yes. Every once in a while it happened. Like if someone was truly too sick to come to set, we might

It was very rare. They would try to, like Jenna said, move the schedule so maybe you could go home early. you know, pull up someone else's talking heads, things like that. But mostly we just muscled through it. The only time I remember us doing a big switcheroo was Dwight's speech. 'Cause rain was so so sick.

And he was the focus of that.

Yeah. And we had to film at that hotel. And that was one time I remember I got a call from our AD and they were like, okay, the hotel has been canceled. We're moving things around. Rains. Going to the doctor. He's too sick. Yeah. But really, I mean, you could probably count on one hand the number of times that happened.

Yeah, there were sometimes like life events like a death in the family. And I remember we made space for people obviously to go grieve and be with their families, but if someone was sick, you had to kind of just power through.

I mean I had false labor and went to work. I was in the hospital and they called remember Kinsborn I was like, Angela, are we having this baby tonight?'Cause it was the next day where Andy proposes and the Ferris will and all that and I was like, I'll let you know.

I totally remember that. And listen, this is not exclusive to the office. No, no. This is the entertainment industry. When I did the movie Walk Hard, John C. Riley got really sick. I think he had like a strep throat or something, and we had to do like a whole make out scene anyway. And then I got sick, and I got so sick that I lost my voice. I had laryngitis. I couldn't speak.

Pretty bonkered.

It is.

is. And we're kind of laughing because I think in hindsight, sometimes you look back at those moments, you're like, what? But it does involve so many moving parts and so many people that they are just constantly trying to make sure they make their day and get something shot because they have a limited time and a limited budget.

Yes. And there is like this element of the show must go on. And that's been a part of You know, actors for all time, the show must go on. And there is that spirit when you're making a movie or you're making a T V show. And I think I famously told the story of how incredibly sick I was one week at the office. And I took a bunch of Sudafed. Yes. So I could make it through.

And didn't Greg say it was one of your best performances? Like reach out to your agent or something?

manager and was like, Jenna was incredible today, incredible.

You're like, I was super pseudafeded up.

Exactly. I'm like, oh, I don't know what that says. But anyway, thank you for that question. Yeah, we just

We just powered through. We did. Well, everyone, this was such a fun episode. Thank you so much for listening. I want to give a special thank you to Holiday Reinhorn for sharing her story about the origin of Dwight's button-down shirt. Amazing. And of course, you guys, I'll put links in our stories where you can check out the amazing organization that Rain and Holly have put so much of their heart and time into, Liddy Haiti. And thank you to, oh my goodness, the amazing.

Thank you for inspiring this episode, Christy. We'll see you guys all next week.

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