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This is, is off track. Hey guys. Welcome to another episode of Off Track with in Generos Rossi. Uh, it's Thursday, wherever you are. Not where we are. What day? Oh, I got the, I got the days fully wrong today. I was talking to somebody yesterday. I'm like, yeah, I can definitely do tomorrow at this time for something. No, totally wrong day. You

Know, you know what day it is, uh, James, because you just went to Twin Peaks for a certain day of the week.

Yeah. Which I only learned about once I got there.

I only learned about it once I got there my first time with Bob Peak

Too. Wednesdays? Is that like, does do, Does Twin Peaks have a thing on

Yeah. I don't wanna talk about it. So

I actually, I have a funny story about, you

Can look it up. Alright.

You can look it up.

Hazel's mom, were you just stunned when you walked in James?

I was, Flo was like, Like, I was like, how is this a thing? Like how is this a thing?

Well, now I have to look it up. So Hazel's mom is also from Indiana and they Noblesville and it was packed. Oh, it was

Packed. Sorry, Jim. I,

Dude, I've been, I've been on a Monday, not packed Wednesday. It's not packed. Slammed.

Slammed. Yeah. It's

It a lot of work. Trucks out in the parking lot there

A lot. Yeah. It's a very, yeah, there was two very distinct, very two distinct construction workers and finance guys. Oh,

Okay. I just looked it up.

I went in there, I went in there with Bob for the first time and I was like, I can't, I can't believe this is real. And then I took like a month later, our buddy Steven and our buddy Depu there. 'cause I was like, you guys have, you have to see this,

You gotta see this. And

Sure enough, Bob was

. Okay.

It's just your Wednesday thing.

I, I don't, his line to me was lot of regulars on a Wednesday. Lot of regular stuff included. I've only,

I've only ever been there once and it was with Bob

always.

It wasn't on a moving On. Well, so that, that is like halfway between where my mom's place is and where Hazel's mom's family is. So like we just arbitrarily without ever having gone there, chose that as like a meat location to do like swaps when we're back in Indiana. And so, like one time I had something going on and Lauren had something going on. So my mom went to pick up Hazel from Hazel's aunt on the other side and they're like, oh, we might as well pop in and grab lunch together in here.

McDonald's. McDonald's across the street. Got it. Because

We just had, I had never been, I had no idea what the establishment was. Yeah. I just saw it and thought like, ah, it's whatever. It's a restaurant roughly. Equid distance from both like, so Yeah, we don't swap there anymore.

No. So we've all learned something today. Well, Alex learned it earlier, but yeah, we've recently all learned something about that, that place. Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Uh, yes. Food is still terrible.

But anyways, I don't think that's what people go for. Um,

It's the cold.

If you want good food, you go to Cracker Barrel. Everyone knows this.

Oh, a hundred percent. Everybody. You get either the catfish or the meatloaf. . Um,

As long as there's dumplings involved, I'm in

Chicken, dumplings, fire, God, shout down. They're side salads even good. Like,

I don't think I've ever had a bad meal at a Cracker Barrel. What

Do you eating James? I don't know how you could dude. Australian licorice

Close. It's these smart sweets. No, they're good. They're super low sugar and they're really tasty. I'm sure there's something in there that's gonna kill me, but Hmm. I was had a craving for something sweet

After you had something salty earlier.

I mean, I had tacos, so, Yeah, Yeah. I guess

Anyways, um, anyways, so 'cause , it's a lot of chewing noises right on the mic.

Oh, sorry. . Is that making your job tough, Jim? Uh, last one. Last one, I promise.

Uh, so alright, on the, on the Tuesday episode, we kind of covered, um, all of the basic things We discovered. James has a 20 year reunion high. We discovered that Tim and I are not at that point yet. Um, we confirmed the fact that I don't speak to anyone from high school, which I don't think was a surprise to anyone. Um, we talked a little bit about Abu Dhabi. Um, there's been some IndyCar stuff that's happening, but I don't wanna get there quite yet.

The post Abu Dhabi Yeah. F1 young drivers driver test. Exactly.

So there for that, this has been going on for quite some time. Um, I've taken part in it. It's a really good thing that F1 does to kind of, um, force teams to run their development drivers. Most of these guys, bar a couple who got fp one outings have been kind of sitting on the sidelines and going to 26 races, 27 races across the globe and not really doing anything aside from drinking cappuccinos and wearing a headset and, and the team sweater giving

Garage tours.

Exactly. So it's good for them to actually get behind the wheel of the car and have an opportunity to, to show what they're capable of. Um, but so this, this, this happened again. There was a moment in time where it looked like they were actually gonna do a kind of pseudo race. And we talked about that a little bit. Yeah. That didn't, that didn't end up happening this year. It looks like it'll come back or not come back, but it'll, it will be a thing in 2026.

He did, he did two grand pri distances.

Right? So fitness was not an issue. So he resolved, um, that problem and, and adjusted his training program accordingly. So I think the team was, um, really pleased with that. We saw Yuki Sonoda, and this one is kind of one I wanna talk about. He was driving the Red Bull and it, it all seems like it's kind of a done deal that Liam Lawson is gonna get the seat, um, to replace Sergio. So why do you think Yuki was in that cart? James being the F1 insider that we have on the show?

So Honda had been, Honda had been pushing it for a long time. Okay. And I think Red Bull was getting a little bit of heat. This is all just my opinion. Pure speculation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think Red Bull was getting a bit of heat in the media and in the paddock, whatever for like, Hey, why are we not looking at Yuki here? Because he obviously performed favorably verse, uh, Daniel, he performed favorably verse Lawson, who you could argue, yeah, it's his first couple races and blah, blah, blah.

He, he beat him in qualifying like eight zero I think.

Yeah. Like I said, he didn't do it. Oh, sorry. Didn't beat him once. Yeah. So, um, that is, I think, so I think a Honda had been hey saying like, Hey guys, what, what gives, let's give him a test. Um, everyone in the paddocks is kinda like, man, this lost. Some kid came and made a big splash last year when he filled in for Dan when he broke his wrist or whatever. But like, he's been good, but not like blowing people away.

Okay. Um, so that makes sense. I think other notables were obviously Carlos signs was in his new equipment. Um,

Yeah, a lot of guys in their new equipment, like Esteban was in the ha and

I was Stu Carlos was in just an all white suit.

Uh, so he still has some Ferrari commitments and so they just don't want any photos of him in anything but Ferrari partners

Branded. Yeah. Understood. Okay, there you go. Um, holgenburg was in the Saber. Mm-hmm . Um,

Was Kimmy Antonelli in the Mercedes. So I,

I want to talk about Kimmy. So Kimmy was in the Mercedes. Um, he, he skipped out on the, on the last round of the championship in Abu Dhabi. And it's 'cause he was like sick. He did? Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, I didn't even know that. He was ill, which is like, like fine. Like, I mean, I'd have to be very ill to not race. Um, but he did the young driver test. So I'm wondering if he was like, uh, I already have made it. I'm already gonna be in a Mercedes F1 car next year. Like, I don't want to do anything else that could potentially damage my stock value.

That being lost. That's a, that's a logical reason I like my theory better.

you just love a good conspiracy theory. I do. I

. Um, okay, fine. Uh, so can

You, what else you got?

Uh, oh, we had an American representation. Jack Crawford. We drove the old as acid Martin, which was a little bit of a surprise to me. Um, great.

Wait, I think he split it with Kovich, right? I think that was one of those cars where they did like one driver in the morning, one in the afternoon. I, I think Ferri did the same thing. Arthur LeClaire got back in at some point and shared it with, uh, Farco, I wanna say who's on their sports car program. Who else? I think Luke Browning maybe drove the Williams as a rookie.

Lot of names I've never heard of.

Yeah. Bunch of, bunch of upend potentially comers. I guess Balto BTO would've qualified as a rookie for Sauber, even though he signed as a race driver for next year. Yeah. Yep. Haas was going through a development, a Toyota development driver that's kind of part of that Toyota Gazo partnership with them is, um, they're gonna use, use Haas as a way to sort of help develop some of the young Toyota drivers i's really interesting. 'cause that old partnership seems kind of weird, right?

That. So good for, good for those guys. Good prop patto for Yeah. Um, training his, his young neck, uh, to, to be up to the, the requirements. Um, and that's the end of F1. You know, F1 has been going on for what seems like forever. Um, it is now finally over. And here's the thing, it'll still start before IndyCar does. Uh, but on that note, it

Don't, that's true. Well, the testing does, but I think the first race is actually the week after St. Pete. But close enough, we've been, we've been done for like two and a half months or whatever. It's,

Let's talk about IndyCar stuff. So a couple things have, um, come out. Old, old matey boy, Devlin d Francesco is back in the series. Um, with Ray Hall. I think that it was pretty for a

Three year deal, right? Or multi-year

Deal is what they said. I mean, that's what they all are. That multi-year irrelevant. Irrelevant. Yeah. Um, he's back. He's back. I think that that was kind of to be expected that he would be back. I don't necessarily think that Ray Hall was ever the, the, the obvious landing spot for him through most of the year, especially with conversations that I was having with him. But, um, regardless things shift fast in this sport. So, uh, good for him.

Of it? No, I, I know it was, it was sent to the group and I meant to read it. And I'll be totally honest, I haven't, so I'm gonna look it up right now. Well,

While you, while you look it up, um, essentially what it is, is, so, uh, we, we are getting a new car in 2027, which is, um, fantastic, uh, for a lot of reasons. You know, it's been, it's been talked about, it's been joked about and it's finally happening. Um, they're, we're getting a new car and, and that's no small feat.

Here's the thi this is a tough one. This is a really tough one. 'cause I I, I see both sides of this argument, um, but I kind of default to no. Um, I agree. Um, because when the GTP cars came out in IMSA two years ago, three years ago, whatever it was now, um, there was, you know, all these new, there was the first hybrid prototypes in imsa, all the manufacturers behind it. There was a lot of hype around these new cars coming out.

I, uh, I love that. And I couldn't agree more. I was honestly a little disappointed when I saw the article because the, the car that was shown to us, IE it's still rendering, right? You're never, there isn't a hard product yet. It looks, it looks cool, like you would be blown away or maybe not. You would be, maybe it makes perfect sense that having an indie car, which already is pretty cool with an arrow screen that is actually fully integrated.

Like reinventing the wheel is exactly what F1 is doing in their 26 regs. And it's a huge risk. There's a, there's a big chance that that backfires phenomenally in that the drivers don't like driving 'em the racing's not as good, excuse me. But, and they could look, I mean, they look kind of whatever, they the same, they look the same. Um, so, but I, I think the, the, the function over form is, is very much how you have to approach this.

But only 27 guaranteed

Too many, too many teams. Uh, like, well actually we'll get to that after. Um, and, and they're all full of very smart people and they're looking at it from a, from a current competitive standpoint, which again, IndyCar's got some very smart people working there, but none of them have been working for teams for a bunch of years now. And so you're, your thinking changes. I think we should work a little more collaboratively with the teams on what to design this car.

And I, and I agree with you on 95% of what you're saying, um, but I, I think in terms of this car, um, redesign, new car, whatever, we are very fortunate in the depth of the Penske leadership and the people that are heading this project up are people that he is sourced from OEMs in car design. Right? So these are people that like, have a background in,

In, in road car design. Yeah. Cool. Cool story. Who That's, that's great. I I think that that sort of input should be good, but to ignore the input from race engineers is silly to not have them. There's, there's a great quote in this article from Zach Brown about how with these new 2026 regs for F1, the FIA has worked very collaboratively with the teams on getting everything right.

Yes. I don't know if there's enough depth in our engineering departments to actually make that a reality, but I guess I see what you're saying.

But they can at least bring up some points to consider that then the people with more.

But I, I think, I think think they do, I think that's what the team manager meetings are for. You know, there's a list of complaints about from a, from a team manager budgetary standpoint, but also the engineers are giving input into like the obvious things that are an issue. IE the front wing being <inaudible>. Right? Right. So I I I do think those things are being taken into consideration, which is why the card doesn't look that much different. Right,

Fair enough.

Ultimately. So as

Long, what I'm happy about is that we're two years away from this car coming out and these conversations, we

Are happening now. Yeah. Yes. Great point. Yep. So we will see, um, who knows, it could be on <inaudible> Wooden wheels by the time it gets here, , uh, we don't really know.

So on that previous point of 27 cars, um, even though we're gonna have, what, 29 at race? No, wait, are we, what? How does it work that I

More than I know, I think

Have, I've already confused about this charter

System. We have 27 cars, but only 20. No, 25 are chartered. There's 27 cars. But if 28 shows up, then there's a shootout.

Right. And we haven't figured out how that yet. And there's only 22 liter circle,

Correct?

Right. It's Are you confused? The old 2, 5 7 rule? Of course. Why

Are Yeah, Oh wait, no, it's not, It's prime up. Wait, no it's not.

No, no, it's not. No. Hmm. Uh, but, but I read , I read an article recently, k kind of tied into the new car information coming outta or whatever that Tryer Reinbold racing is looking at 27 now as maybe an opportunity to try to join the grid full time again. Uh, which they did for a long time. And they've kind of just been an Indy 500 only program for a while. Um, one quick question, where are they gonna go? Like where does the, where do those cars fit in the grand scheme?

Because that's, that's exactly their plan,

But yes. Right. But that's a terrible plan. ,

Why can't we, James?

Well, Alex, let me tell you the litany of reasons why this is a terrible idea. Mm-hmm. But that's

Exactly what they're doing.

At least five of the tracks can't hold 30 cars in pit lane. So how do you practice in order to try to get good enough to qualify for these

Spots Got it. That sounds fun. Um, for all the teams spending all the money to go to the races that then just don't get to drive, that seems like a waste of their time and money. Motor sports sucks. We can make it better with rules That makes sense. But they, these are the rules. They know the risks they're taking by going to the racetrack without a guaranteed entry, and they have to earn their way in. Like they know this,

Right? So we're already complaining about too many cars on track and practice and qualifying. So let's just, let's throw a couple more in the mix.

Well, but that doesn't matter.

No, you're right. Nobody actually cares about that. You're right. Sorry, what was I thinking? Anyway? Uh, yeah, so there's that. Um, so look, not all the indie car news of light has been driver related. Uh, it was announced that Mike Cannon engineer extraordinaire is moving to Prema, which is a pretty good get for that group.

Sure. For sure. Um, he, listen, he's, he's one of those guys, you know, there's, there's what probably six engineers that you'd name off the top of your head in IndyCar that you think are like elite guys. Yeah. And he, he's one of them. Um, and it, it's very clear that premise is serious man.

Go home. Yeah. Yeah. Um, the other, the other big news, and it'll be interesting to see if and where he ends up, is Gavin Ward, um, you know, out at McLaren. Um, I think that was, uh, certainly a surprise to most people. Um, you know, he, his talents, I can speak first Handly about from an engineering standpoint and what he's capable of doing. Um, you know, obviously his history at, at Red Bull, um, his history, very short Penske though successful at Penske with Joseph.

Yeah. The answer How? It's awesome. It is, it is completely un also like terrifying. Unintended. Yeah, a hundred percent. But He did not mean for this to happen. It's got, it's got like imagine he did imagine this is all orchestrated by him, and he is actually just like the Frank Underwood of, uh, of Motorsports Maybe like went in there and Yeah.

And just started like laying all the groundwork to get people fired and stuff. But that team is like basically the case study for people moving up insanely quickly because, you know, you had the rapid ascension of Taylor, Kyle, then you had Gavin who got hired for one job and then because of Taylor's departure was all of a sudden running the team. Sure. Which was unexpected. Now he's unexpectedly gone. And TK went from driver coach. I, I don't know, like this. I know. Its like, no,

No, but no, he was kind of like driver. Well,

He went from driver, like did anything else? He went from,

He went from driver to like to running it. No, he went from driver. He went, this is literally it. He went driver garage tour guy, Driver engineer, like relationship guru, then engineer management, relationship guru, then like driver scout for like the six car, then driver emotional support, human coupled with driver scout. And then he became like deputy team manager, then deputy team principal. Now, I don't know that he has a title, but like the guy

New title is just big dog, Dk, big dog, , little man, big dog. It's funny

Though, because he, I remember when he told me, like this year was when he like got elevated into more of like a, like a real job, like where he was expected to go to the office, right. And like have a desk and like do nine to five things that people with jobs do. And he was like, man, I don't think I'm cut out for this. Like,

Like Right. Right. And now all of a sudden, like he, I mean he, his ass better be there at 7:00 AM before everyone else shows up. So I

Don't, I don't know if we should call him the head of the operation, but he's definitely the nose

Of the operation. Yeah, that was, that was wing sauce, man.

I thought that was great.

I love the guy. Uh, he's become one of my closest friends in the paddock, so I'm pumped for him. Yeah. And like, what an amazing opportunity.

So look, when you, when you think about it leaders of, of groups like that, it's, it is really all about people, right? Like obviously Tony has a great understanding of motorsports, right? So fine box check there. He has spent the last two years kind of learning the ins and outs of sort of the, the administrative side of a race team, let's call it. Um, but to your point, right?

Honest, like his, his ability to establish and develop relationships with people is no secret. Like he's, he's a crowd favorite for a reason. Like his partners that he's had from the beginning of his career through various teams and iterations of teams and, and varying schedules. Like he wasn't even a full-time driver yet. He still had some of the same sponsors that he is been with for decades. And like, that's just a, a testament to exactly what you're saying.

That one's fine. Mine better,

Way better. Mine was funny, funny here with that. Yours was lazy. He knows how to

Build the relationships and um, and keep people interested in and involved. So, um, I can't wait to beat his ass next year, but I'm still, uh, Hey, do you think he like, gives himself a job in

The car?

I'm gonna hire myself, I drive myself. Yeah. ,

I don't know. Well, no, because they're running, they're running Larson again in the 500, right? Is that a, is that a done deal?

Yeah, that is. Okay, so next year, Or if like somebody gets fired or breaks something, maybe he's just designated himself the reserve driver , because now he controls how much you pay the reserve driver. So, so hundred percent. All of a sudden it's worthwhile. . That's a smart move guy. This guy's a genius. That's his guy's an evil genius. This was his plan. Like he never planned on retiring. This was his way to get back into his car. He just has to be to of the team for

Antonio Underwood. I, I'm calling him Underwood from now on. That is, he has gone so good a total house of cards on that program. Um, um,

So then yes, there's only three seats left. There's, uh, there's the one Juncos car and the two coin cars, which will be announced in June, I imagine, of 25 .

Oh, that's, that's Rich. That is Rich. Uh, yeah, I imagine, I imagine that one, uh, will be a late, late announcement. Uh, and very good chance that it's multiple guys sharing the car guys, girls drivers sharing the car, um,

Oh, you mentioned dryer, so they announced their 500 lineup. So that's, um, yes, hunter Ray and Jack Harvey. Right. Um, which means our boy Connor's, uh, I mean he's, he's p committed, right. You know, he, yeah. I talked to him and, and he understandably, um, you know, had to give up or not give up per se, but Dryer couldn't wait anymore to kind of get their 500 programs set.

Yeah, it's an all or nothing. It's all or nothing deal now, right? For

Sure. Yeah.

He's, he's there or he is not. So,

I mean, we've talked about this before about like the moment that a lot of successful people have of the like betting on yourself kind of mentality of the like Yeah, I think the, the problem is a lot of unsuccessful people also have that moment . It's just, we don't hear about it, but I, I respect it. If you're gonna be a race car driver, you gotta, you gotta bet on yourself.

Fewer people write books about the times when they bet on themselves and it didn't work out. Yeah,

Yeah. No, they call those manifestos.

No. Look man, Connor's a hustler. Connor, Connor works his ass off to even put himself in these conversations on track and off. He does a great job. And, uh, another fan favorite. It would be, uh, it would be an uproar, uh, I think on the, on the community if, if he's not there. But we'll see, we'll see how it plays out. You know, it's a, it's a business as well as a sport, so it all has to make sense for the teams and for the drivers and for whoever.

Do you wanna, do you wanna know what I thought when I saw that?

Tell me. . Um, yeah, brother, I know I've, I've made jokes about you maybe having a problem, but the fact that that's where your mind went immediately when this guy, that's, well, it's a little concerning that, uh, you're looking for other people to also be in your No, in your same wheelhouse day.

My point is, like, my point is like this, you, you, you teed it out perfectly. 94-year-old billionaire. Yeah. Why is he selling his car collection

In the article about him selling these cars, which by the way, reported to be worth over a half billion dollars. He was like, yeah, you know, realizing I'm not gonna be around forever. I started thinking about maybe just off offloading some of this stuff. He's 94, he's been mugged several times. Robbed at gunpoint. Dude, that's my point.

That's maybe you won't be around forever. This is my point. He's liquidating, like, so he doesn't have that much cash

Or he or he is really wants to buy something.

Okay. Like what, what costs half a billion dollars a country?

Well, I'd be, that'd just be a down payment. Yeah, probably. I mean, he's got everything else. Like why not go out with your own, buy your own island to die on? But I just found it so funny. He's like, I was starting to realize be around forever. No,

He's liquidated man. Yeah,

Yeah. He, he doubled down on Ferrari winning the constructors championship

Called Max. That's why Max shipped it in during one .

Yeah. Also somewhat F1, well, not somewhat. Also F1 related and Ferrari related. Um, did you guys hear the story about how Michael Schumacher's former bodyguard? Did you hear about this?

No. Got fired in April. Okay. And I guess he stole like thousands of photos and, and videos of Michael, like in his current state, like from the last, you know, 10 years or whatever. And obviously everybody knows, like, he's not been seen in public since his accident. Uh, allegedly he went to his daughter's wedding, but there's obviously no photos of that. Uh, they've done a great job of keeping everything private as the family has wanted.

Exactly. Right. And like, and just think of the feeling of betrayal that you must have when a member of, essentially a member of your family just turns on you like that. Like, it's terrible. Just, just rotten man. Um, yep. Real quick before we go, because this is a travel podcast, seems only appropriate, I'm sure we've talked about this before, but having been on a bunch of planes lately, I've just gotta bring it up again. And, and Becky saw it yesterday when she was flying home.

. You're saying like baggage claim.

Baggage claim. Yeah. Okay. If you are stood up against the metal, if you are just right up against it, you probably shouldn't be allowed to drive or vote or own a gun or, or have kids. It's, it's, it's a very simple system. If everybody stands six feet back, then everybody can see the bags and you can go unobstructed to grab yours. When it's there as it is, an overwhelming amount of people go right up against it.

All makes sense. I have to be honest with you, man. I don't think I've checked a bag in three plus years,

Dude. I don't even, that's, I see the reason this hasn't come up recently is because I, for this trip, three weeks on the road, multiple climates, I had to check a bag. Fair. Yeah. And it was the worst. It's the worst. The amount of time you waste. And then just losing faith in, in society and humanity when you stand. I mean

I feel, I feel like, I feel like air travel in general, airports are a litmus test for people. Like security shouldn't be as hard as it is. True. Like, showing a boarding path shouldn't be as hard as it is.

Security's not even the one that bothers me the most. It's the boarding, it's boarding that people, it's like, you know, your group

Six, but, but also, but also

Get away from the gate. Here's be there,

Here's the other one where it's like, how, how is what is occurring right now? And some of it is the staff's fault, but a lot of it is the customer's fault as well. Why does it take so long for people to rent a car? Like the amount of questions that, that people are asking, it's like, bro, yeah. Like this can't be your first time doing this.

I've never understood that. Do we never understood that? Yeah. I doubt, I I would love to know what, 'cause there's clearly something in the system. Like if you're a software engineer and you're listening, here's a recommendation for a business idea. Look into what every rental car company on earth uses and just design something like even remotely less <inaudible> because clearly all the ones they have are terrible and there's gotta be a better way for this.

A hundred percent. 'cause it's,

Yeah, it makes no sense.

But like the amount of keystrokes that are happening for Unreal. What should be typing in ROSS? I enter, oh, here it is. Oh, your car. 40, 35. Yeah. See ya. Oh, let me just look at the card. Make sure it's the same one on file. Oh, you're good to go, sir. Have a good one. It should be a five second transaction.

I've, I've already put all my stuff into the website when I made the booking. A hundred percent. So you check, you check my license so

You need to verify my id. Right. You need to verify the credit cards on file. Like checking into a hotel that doesn't take 15 minutes.

Correct. It should be as fast as that. Yeah.

Agreed. Retweet

Somebody. Get on that. Make a lot of money and enjoy your life. We're not looking for anything. We're offering that one for free. Yeah. We just want you to have a good time and make the travel experience better for everybody.

And go buy one of Bernie's cars.

There's a couple in there I wouldn't mind having. He's got a nice collection.

Better sell a lot of patches.

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