Lindsey Vonn

I was like, I am old. Am I insane? You know? Am I gonna totally ruin myself? But my ration is this.

I mean, yes, by the way, you are insane. That is insane, But all the rest of it, no, go ahead.

My ration was, you know, I'm getting a knee replacement, right, so if I crash, oh jee and I blow my stuff out, who cares? You know, I'm just gonna get a new great.

That it's Lindsay. That is not That is not healthy. That is not Oh I'm getting a new leg next week anyway, So oh my god, that's.

How my brain works.

So Hi, I'm Lindsay Vaughn, Olympic champion, philanthropists and entrepreneur.

Welcome back everybody. Yeah that right. It is time for another episode of Off the Beat. This is your host, Brian Baumgartner. And guys, guys, we've peaked, truly, we have reached the top of the mountain. It is all downhill from here. Get it because my guest today is one of the greatest skiers of all time, my friend and yours, Lindsey Vaughn. She won a gold medal, she won two

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What's up?

What's up?

Ryan, Lindsay? How are you?

How good? Hurt you?

I'm good? You know we've met before?

Do you remember us meeting before we're at the Emmy?

Oh god, well, we've probably met multiple times. That's always embarrassing. Don't remember I met you? It was at an event, a golf event in Monterey.

Oh that's when I got my hole in one. That was a long time.

Oh that's right. Ye, yeah, got that fact.

I know. I retired after that. That was. It was one and done.

You know, thanks so much for remembering me. I mean, I guess you had the whole on one. I guess you had the hole in one. That was.

That was an open bar after that, so I don't know.

Man, Well, yeah there was. How are you?

I'm great? How are you?

I mean, I'm good. I'm I'm surviving the summer. I understand you've been busy doing some programming. We're going to talk about that. But it's so nice to talk to you. Your career is well one amaze and too incomprehensible for me. I was a casual skier for a long time, and then I stopped. I felt like it was it was best for me to stop. I was shooting this television show for for a number of years. Now. I have a daughter who is eight and kind of obsessed with it.

I mean, I it's I think it's a good kids sport. I don't you know. I think it's probably good that you didn't continue. While you were doing that, you know, that show that may have been wildly popular, but it's so it's such a great family sport. So I condone that I really do.

I know. Well, now I'm just trying to I'm trying to decide if I if I just leave it to really fun, helpful ski instructors, or if I actually if I actually get back involved. You know what, maybe I'll send her to you and then you can teach her to ski and.

All right, well we'll try that. Maybe we'll do a two for one both of you, you and your daughter.

Oh boy, yeah, I don't. I don't. Again, I need to think about that a little bit more.

Wells to be negotiated.

TVD, TVD. As they say in the biz, you've been skiing since basically when you could walk more is age two or like born on skis or whatever. Do you have a first memory or do you just is that as it goes as far as you back, as far as you remember.

Yeah, I mean I actually was in my dad was coaching while going to law school at night, and he actually had me in a backpack while he was coaching.

So even before I was on skis, I was on a person that was right, But I remember, you know, I grew up in Minnesota, and man, it was so freaking cold there.

So I remember vivid memories of being really cold, my dad bribing me with hot chocolate and donuts, and I remember him like worming up my hands with you know, blowing on my hand because they were so cold. But yeah, I too, two and a half. That's when I kind of when I started.

Yeah, yeah, I spent a chunk of time in Minnesota. I was doing theater. I was from the south. The cold was something that I couldn't It was very difficult for me, which I mean, that's like the opposite of you. In fact, I telled a story that I had moved into town and was doing a show in downtown Minneapolis theater and I get done, maybe have a beer after

Yeah. No, Minnesota is a was a tough place. That's why I don't live there anymore. I love Minnesota, and you know, I think I love the summers obviously more. But we didn't have snow days at school. We had day's row. It was too cold and we couldn't go to school. But actually my uncle managed the Orpheum and State theaters in Minneapolis as well, so you should have gone there.

Great. Well, So now those were more touring theaters, so you know, I wasn't in Bye Bye Birdie the big musical.

Yeah, the musicoger Field probably David Copperfield came through the Orpheum.

I'm sure that's someone who did that.

Yeah, he didn't disagree you on stage, so okay, that makes sense.

Yeah, So as a young child myself, last personal ski story, my father was well, eventually he was a doctor and he did his residency in Salt Lake City, and my parents, allegedly before I was born, were very big skiers, and my mom, when she was pregnant with me, skied broke her leg in several places. It's now an inch I think over an inch shorter than the other leg. And unlike you, they never skied again, literally never skied. Yeah, when I was a kid, we were not allowed to go.

I mean, that's definitely that's a story I've heard many times in different variations. But you know, that's why I say, if you don't enjoy being on the mountain, if you're not confident in what you're doing, and then don't do it, because you know, if you're scared of it, it's probably best not to. But when you're a kid, you know, you're like Gumby. You could crash and you know, become a pretzel and you're totally fine. So I don't know. If you start young and you get confidence, I'd say

Yeah, never went back, So I ended up you know, when I became a teenager or whatever, started going going with friends. Now, I know your mom didn't ski, is that right? What was your what was your whole family's relationship to skiing as you as you started out, it was all different.

You know, my mom had a stroke when she had me, so she couldn't ski. She you know, her balance was altered because of the stroke. She just couldn't do it. And she tried several times, it just just didn't work. And then my siblings, we're all really good, but they just didn't want to be me. So there was that kind of awkward like resentment. You know, like my my brother, one of my brothers. There, it's me, my sister and the triplets, and one of the triplets was kind of

For you, when did it become an activity, something fun, even something that you were good at, to like, this is what I want to be. I want to be the best in the world at this. When did that come about?

Well? I started racing when I was seven, and then I met Peekaboo Street, who you know at the time, she won the Olympics in Nagano in ninety eight, and she was the thing at the time. And I met her at a ski shop in Minnesota, and I got home and I said, Dad, I just want to be Peekaboo, And so it kind of changed my mindset. You know. It wasn't that I wasn't good before. I just had

Did she just happen to be there or did you go to meet her?

It was an autograph signing, I waited for like three hours a line.

And then you met her. Yep, that's incredible.

Yeah, she's just you know, she was kind of larger than line. If she had this you know, amazing personality, very charismatic, and I still have you know, I'm probably too old for this, but I still have her poster that she signed for me framed in my room.

It does something to me. I don't know, like the idea that you know now. I'm sure there's no shortage of signings that you're doing. Do you ever think about that when you're meeting either little girls or little boys at events or signings, that the profound impact that you could have on someone.

Yeah, I mean I've always had that image of myself every time I meet a kid, I'm like, this could have been me, you know, and I put myself in their shoes and you know, actually, also when I got her autograph, there was another person there, woman that was signing autographs, and I ran into her the bathroom and I asked her for her autograph in the bathroom and she said no. And I was so young, you know, and you don't realize it means a bathroom, Like, yeah,

Are you still friends?

Yeah? She lives like right down the road from me, ironically, And it was so funny because I actually directed and produced her documentary about two years ago. It's on Peacock and I honestly I could barely do the interview because I was so nervous. I felt like I was nine years old again. It was a pretty cool moment. But to be able to tell her story and to have her trust in that way was really special. So it was a very full circle moment. You never know what's

No, I mean that is unbelievable that you meet her at a signing and then a few years later you end up producing her documentary. That's that's a.

Couple of years.

Just a couple of years. We're not going to count you and your dad. You devise a ten year plan. Eventually, I assume this is part of the plan. The whole family moves to Vail, Colorado, Uh, for you to join the ski club Vale? Is that right?

Yeah? It was a it was a big move. You know, my family and my siblings weren't really on board with it. It was hard, but yeah, I mean there was a reality that living in Minnesota could only get me so far, and I had to move to the mountains. And at first it was just me and my mom. We went for a few months just us, but obviously, like my grandparents and my dad, taking care of the other four kids was too hard, so we just decided to stick to stick, you know, together, and be a family and move.

Yeah, I was kind of asked that, and then I didn't because it felt like I was an idiot, and I probably still am. But in Minnesota there's still mountains. There's no ski mountains, right, No, No, they're not.

No. I grew up at a place called Buck Hill and it's about two hundred and sixty vertical feet they actually have and I love it. It was an amazing place grew up and had an amazing coach who actually was my father's coach growing up. But they put landfill on the top of it to make it higher. So that should kind of give you an idea.

Yeah, that's not that doesn't sound correct.

No, So I mean it's a move to mountains, you know, I.

Moved to actual mountain. Yeah, it was weird. I was trying to navigate that. I was like, I don't remember lots of lakes, but I don't remember a bunch of mountains.

There lots of lots of lakes.

So you go to Vail. Now your days are you?

Like?

You are you going to school?

Uh? Kind of? I mean, so what. I moved in when I was twelve, and they had a ski academy there, but I was too young. So for two years I did homeschool and I was kind of like, I read some books and you know, I took my dad's high school German book and I was trying to teach myself German. And then eventually it was obviously old enough to join the academy, but then I got kicked out of that because I didn't need the state requirements for attendance. So I ended up having to do like an online school.

Because you were teaching yourself. I don't know think that's how that works. Yeah, that was one of the fun facts I was given was that you speak fluent German. Yeah, it does that. What does bomb gardner mean?

Bomb gart It means like tree gardener.

There you go. I trust you. Then, as far as I'm concerned, that's what I've been told. Did that help you later on, like as you're starting to do international competitions. German has got to be a big language in this world, right.

Yeah, it's the I mean it's the number one language because everyone basically, you know, skiing is made up of Austria, Germany, Switzerland and Italy and you know Sutrul, which is northern Italy. They all speak. All those countries speak German. And so also when I got to a point where I was doing interviews, I could do interviews in German and it helped a lot. You know, I felt like I connect more with the history of the sport. I didn't want to be, you know, that person that made other people

Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't speak German.

Would you speak any other languages?

French a little? I mean I took a lot of years of French perfect.

You know what that means?

Do you know what that means? Oh? Yeah. So I worked with a French director for a number of years and I traveled to Paris with him and I was like, they're just not nice. And he goes, well, you know, this is the phrase you need to say, jipaul from say come in vach espanol par de moi and that what is it? What is that? He goes, I speak French like a Spanish cow. Excuse me, a Spanish cow. And so that's what would happened. I would go into a store restaurant in France and I would be trying.

That's a good that's a good line.

I should take that, you cause she should learn the equivalent of that of Spanish. Yeah, I speak Spanish like.

A American bull or something. I don't know. There's I'm sure there's some something I could say something. I'll figure that out. I'll get back to you.

Thank you. Please report back. Gravity Corps there at Ski Club Veil. This is an intensive program for young skiers. How did it help you in your car?

I mean it gave me all of the downhill skills, like visualization, and you know, we did a lot of which isn't common now. We did a lot of terrain work. So I was doing jumps and like you know, doing super G and downhill when I was like really young. And now everyone's very nervous about kids doing downhill and flying through the air, so they make a wait until they're sixteen or seventeen years old. And twelve thirteen, I'm skiing super G so going like seventy miles an hour,

Do you think those limits should be put on?

It's hard. I mean in all sports these days, there's a lot of you know, individual coaching, and you hire like personal trainers when kids are like ten and you know, they're weightlifting and they're doing all these things, and like, I don't know, you know, what the balance I think. You know, obviously, you need to be prepared for your sport so that you know you physically can handle what you're doing. But at what point is that too much?

Well, and I don't know if you're going to be willing to admit to this or whatever, but I mean, obviously it's it's true. So put humility aside for a second, like you're doing it and by your own admission, at this at this time, everybody else is older than you. But you have a specific gift. You have a specific skill that, for whatever reason is it enables you to keep up and eventually excel and overtake these But to me, the issue is, and this is what I'm curious about

I think rules are malleable. It kind of goes with everything that I do. It's good to have guardrails, it's good to have kind of parameters to kind of guide you. But there's always exceptions to the rule. For example, with my rehab, with all of my injuries from ninety nine point nine percent of people, you say, okay, you tore your ACL, it's going to be a nine month recovery, okay, but not everyone recovers the same. I recover quickly, I you know, dedicate my time to getting back, and it

Just it's malleable if you're a good enough driver. That's what I told the cop last week when I got pulled over. Now, sir, I promise you I'm way better driving good than anybody else. Yeah, you skied your first World Cup at age sixteen. Now you're you're sixteen years old. You've had this dream now seven eight years. My math is weak. Are you feeling like this is a big deal, like I'm making history? Or is it like let me

Felt a lot of pressure. Okay, you know I was the youngest. Yeah, I mean there was one other girl on the team and she was almost a year older than me, but you know, we were by far the youngest, and obviously the Salt Lake Olympics were the next year, and so my first season, it wasn't just you know, let's do the World Cups and see how you do. It's I have to qualify for the Olympics next year. I had to really establish myself on the team, and I struggled. You know, it was it was hard. I had.

You make that your first Olympics in two thousand and two, What did that feel like? That's that's a different thing, right, it was amazing.

I mean, holy moly. Yeah, and ironically, like I'm on the Olympic bid committee trying to get felt like back to Olympics in twenty thirty four, which would be amazing. But it was such a great gains. I mean it's hard. I mean, honestly, it's all downhill from there. You know, a home Olympics to start off is just incredible. And it was also an interesting time. You know, after nine

But I got there this stretch of dominance. I I mean, look, I knew you were good. I didn't have your stats like memorized or whatever. You don't, Brian, I mean, I might now overall world champion in two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, two thy ten and then again in twelve. Did you feel as though I can't lose? Like did you have that feeling they talk about like Michael Jordan right like in the zone or whatever. Is that how you felt on the mountain?

Yeah?

I did.

I mean there was it was basically me against myself, and you know, I felt so confident and it was so light, you know, there wasn't I didn't feel a pressure. I felt such an ease and such a joy and it was such an amazing time, especially from twenty ten to twenty twelve was kind of really my prime. And I lost the overall title by three points, which was kind of there's some political bullshit that went along with it, but that era was pretty incredible, and I, I don't

Yeah, so this you're talking about twenty eleven with the three point it's so funny because I just talked about you winning four out of five years, and your brain immediately goes to the one year.

Yeah didn't. That's so fascinating. So I don't know if you've noticed this, but I'm highly competitive.

Yeah. See here's the thing. I think I'm highly competitive until I talk to someone like you, and then I'm like, all right, well, I mean there's highly competitive, and this the media portrayed this is like you had a bitter rivalry. Do you feel like that was all overplayed or again, were you looking for motivation during that time?

Yeah, I mean it was it was hard. You know, my best friend on the tour, who I spent every Christmas with, we were one and two. I mean, between the two of us, we run every single downhill for like a three year span, and so to be best friends with your number one competitor is a challenge, obviously, And there was some fishy things that went on at the end of the season where I lost by three

In addition to winning all those World Cups, you win the downhill gold and the super g bronze at the twenty ten Vancouver Olympics. Talk to me about the moment that you win gold. There's the podium, there's the song, the national anthem. Like, is this as overwhelming in the moment for you as it would appear to be to me? Or are you? Is it like these are just all the years that I expect this to happen now?

No, I mean that I still get very emotional every time I see that Olympic run. It was really the culmination of all of the years of my hard work, but also my families, you know, my family sacrifice moving to Colorado, and I mean we were not well off. We struggled a lot, and moving to Colorado was not, you know, an easy move for us. So I just felt so overwhelmed with emotion, happiness, but also a lot of relief. You know, there's so much building up to

That's incredible. I'm glad you had that too. Thanks in twenty fourteen, you tear your acl so you can't compete. It's so chea. How tough is this for you to swallow at the time.

Oh it's brutal. I mean, you know, watching all of my friends win medals and I'm sitting at home with you know, having just had surgery. You know, the Olympics are once every four years, and I think for this for the public, for spectators, it seems like it happens very quickly because you have a Summer Olympics every two years and then the Winter Olympics. But for us, it's like there's so much that goes on in between, and

Well, I mean, yeah, you miss out on those Olympics. But the next few years, you match or your breaking multiple records. Most Super G's won all time downhill victories, World Cup. Are these are these wins and these records, are they driving you to keep going and do more?

Yeah? Definitely. I mean I'm I'm you know, I'm a competitor, you know, and I was never afraid to say it. You know, I I need that next goal, you know, I want I wanted you know, I enjoy ski racing, but I also need, you know, something to drive me.

Yeah. What's what's your proudest race of all the races.

Of all the wins, I don't know, I mean probably the Olympics, you know, winning the goal. I think just from an emotional perspective and looking at how much my family sacrifice. But if I'm thinking about what was the most difficult, I think it was coming back from two acls. I was out for almost two years and I won my second race back and I cried like a little baby. You know, it was just it was a It was a lot. It was a lot of hard work. You know,

As an elite athlete, you have to deal with well one being in like peak physical condition at all times, dealing with injuries, and then you add in to all of that skiing where a catastrophic accident can happen at any moment. How do you deal psychologically with that cycle of injury, healing, rehab, injury that's really unique to skiing.

Well, honestly, I talk about this a lot now when I do public speaking. You know, I approach risk, you know when I'm in the starting gate, I've already I know what the risks are. You know, I know that I could crash, I could be paralyzed. Many people were when I was racing. But you can't think about that.

I'm pretty sure this is the problem with my golf game. I'm pretty sure.

Thinking about hitting it into the bunker and you hit into the bunker of.

Course, of course, yeah, I mean, it's not risking catastrophic injury necessarily, But but.

The bunker is pretty catastrophic yet pond over.

There is really large and is pretty close to where I want to hit it. You were known for putting your body on the line skiing courageously aggressively, and how did you deal with criticism that you got over the years to the type of skiing that you wanted to do and the fact that you were dealing with all

Yeah, the press has been, uh an interesting part of my career. You know, I've always been very open and forthcoming. You know, I don't I don't really hold my cards close to my chest, and you know, I'm an open book and I do things kind of my way. You know. I was just different. I or makeup. I didn't. I don't follow trends. I just do what I think is best.

Know, in football, in basketball, in baseball, at least for the men, you're given a ton of training about how to deal with the press. And you are in this sport, in golf, in you are in this sport that in the United States becomes really really big once a year, slash once every four years, and so you're dealing during

I mean, yeah, I guess looking back you can always say I wish I would have done some things differently. But advice I always give is to be authentic. Be authentically yourself, don't listen to what anyone else says. I think we're all different and that difference makes us special. And you know, I didn't get media training. I didn't really think to a degree necessarily that I needed it

Yeah, you know, it's funny because even with all the media training they get. I just had a conversation with Andrew Whitworth from the LA Rams after losing the first Super Bowl that he played with them. He gave a quote and the Jenna Basically the quote was, you know, how do you feel losing the Super Bowl? And the answer that was given was we're all going to die someday.

Well, that's that's going to be the head.

That's that's what they're going to take.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean everything can be taken out of context. I I tried to not give them sound bites like that. You know, I think there's a way of being authentic and being yourself while also limiting that drama effect that people like to hone in on because they're always waiting for you to slip up or say one thing that they can use as a headline and click bait. And honestly, nowadays they'll just do it anyway. So it's at least if you don't say it, it may

Uh.

You retired in twenty nineteen after getting one final medal at the World Championships. How does that feel? Is there a relief? Is there sadness? Is there a regret? Is there a celebration? How does that feel?

Kind of all the above? I mean, I think physically I was really relieved because I was in so much pain. You know, I was wearing two knee braces I had, was skiing with no lcl I a tibo plateau fracture. I was like, you know, I felt like I was being held together by duct tape at that point. So physically I was like, this is this is what's right, this is what needs to happen. But also emotionally, I know, I love skiing. I love pushing myself. I love fighting

You you just alluded to it, but you use the phrase when you retired that your body quote broken beyond repair. After all of those years and all of those injuries. Let me ask you this, it's been almost four years or four years ish, how as your body resis, do you feel better now or do you feel like there are things that will never chante? No, you don't.

I've had three surgery since I retired. One was three weeks ago.

Jesus.

It's I'm paying the price for pushing myself the way I did. But it's a price worth paying.

You know.

I don't have any regrets. I ski with my heart on my sleeve, and that's what I enjoy doing, so I don't I don't have any regrets. I'm really hoping that I have one more surgery left. I'm not sure when i'll do it. Maybe in the next six months or so. I hope that will be the last one that I'll need for a while. But it's mainly my

Well, look, you're understanding it a little bit. Most people to achieve their dreams don't have to sacrifice their entire body multiple surgeries. Well, let me ask you this, would would you ever be satisfied? Just like going and skiing a blue ski a blue have a cocktail at the fire pit.

And yeah, that's what's I do really love doing that. I like I have kind of like a ski in the blue. Yeah, you know, I don't ski moguls because that's just nonsense. That makes my knees hurt just looking at it. But I like just a nice groomer, just an easy groomer. I'm cruising, you know, we ski over to the chalet, I have you know, some hot Toddies or whatever, Lobos tequila, and then I'll you know, get back on the slopes and I'll ski with some friends and I'll go back to my car and I'll go home.

I love that. I'm so glad for you about that. And that's the first time I've actually thought about it like that.

For you.

It could be like just going out, being able to hang out, enjoy being out. Truthfully, I'm really glad.

Thanks. I mean, it's that's that's what it's all about, you know. I mean, life is short. We have to enjoy it. If you know we're not enjoying it, then do something else that we enjoy.

I do have to bring this up. You become the first woman to ski the street is the strife, and you did it at night, so you're not what this is. This is antithetical to what I thought you were. Well, I know, but I'm saying, like, I thought you were gonna tell me like f off about the blue, Like no, I've got to go, like I'm going to do Mount Baldy or something, or half Dome in Yosemite. They're gonna put They're gonna put snow on it for me, and I'm gonna ski down the face of a clip. Why

I mean, I've always wanted to race against the men. It's something that I'm you know, I just it's kind of like Michelle Wee, you know, it's like the next level. I just want to get to the next level. How do I make my ski faster? So Red Bull's always known this, They've I've been They've been my sponsor for like twenty years. They call me up after Thanksgiving and they said, hey, do you want to ski to Strike

A plan.

So yeah, they figured out a plan and it was I mean, I creb skiing in Minnesota, which actually I skied at night usually after school. We always ski at night, so I love skiing at night. But I mean I've never skeed a downhill at night, you know, to light up a whole downhill course, which they had to do it in sections because it was just impossible to do. But I mean it was pretty amazing. Again, I love

But my ration is this, I mean, yes, by the way, you are insane. That is insane, but all the rest of it, no, go ahead.

My ration was, you know I'm getting a knee replacement, right, so if I crash, oh jeez, and I my stuff out, who cares? You know, I'm just gonna get a new great is.

That is not that is not healthy.

That is not.

Oh I'm getting a new leg next week anyway, So oh my god.

That's how my brain works.

So that well, it works. It works for you. It worked out, and now your name is there. You can't take that away from you, uh, fearless. In the business world here, how that's what we call a professional transition.

You must have done this.

Advising VC firms. You're working with company, you're making goggles, you're making ski clothing with head. Did you notice how I didn't try to say that, say it unique? Unique? Yeah, you're crushing it. What's the next thing? Business? What are you going?

We were we have some really amazing products coming up with my production company called Opera Productions. And obviously the strike I get.

It, opright, I get it.

Not very many people I got it, get it. And then I'm like, I thought this was like, what's apress? I'm like, no, that's not it.

It comes back to fra Boom.

Yeah, I saw. We have a lot of amazing products coming up with that. But obviously, you know, the strikes have slowed everything down. But this winter's coming up, so my my next ski line is launching. I'm actually launching Mend's this year, which I'm really excited about. I have my foundation, which we have our annual gala in a couple I'm really excited about that. What else I mean, I'm on the Olympic bid committee for the Solid Games that I said good luck and thank you. I'm on

You're doing a lot of things. If you need a skier for any of your projects for a prey.

Hey I will.

I actually probably don't.

Don't give a call. I think it could be good. You could be in the bar on the mountain seeing You.

Absolutely know that, friends, I got you.

You'd crush it.

You absolutely know that I could do that. Uh yeah. I do want to mention the Lenzy Vaughn Foundation providing camps and scholarships for girls to pursue all sorts of things athletics, academics, the arts, and you had some camps this summer I mentioned earlier Strong Girls Camps. Yep, was that successful.

Yeah, it was awesome. I mean, honestly, you know, again it kind of was back to Peekaboo. But we have curriculums, so I try to give them skills to be able to be confident and have positive body image and all of these things that you know are just so difficult for kids these days, and try to inspire them so they can go out in the world and be strong,

That is admirable. Congratulations to you. You know, I'm a big fan of yours. I wish you all continued great success with your production company, with the Lindsay Bond Foundation, and with all of your beasts, your VC making shark mogulan skills in the business world. Lendsy, I wish you nothing but the best. Thank you so much for coming and talking to me.

Thanks Brandon, I appreciate it. Let's go golfing. I got a hole in one last time we were together, so maybe we'll make it.

I mean, I must be good luck, I think, so let's get it. Let's get it done, all right.

Thank you, Lendsy.

I'm so stoked you came on. Thank you so much. It was great to see you again, even if you don't remember meeting me the first time. But I get it. You made a hole in one and that I'm sure caused you. No shortage of celebration between that, your hole in one, your foundation, your businesses, you being a damn delight. You simply cannot be stopped, it seems, so. My best of luck in everything that you have in the future. Unfortunately, this podcast does have to be stopped right now because