Of Two Minds

A conversation between two people who share something deeply in common and yet remain deeply divided, hosted by Sarah Shourd. First, we interview each guest separately and ask them about the events that formed their beliefs. Then we get them to talk to each other and hash things out.

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Peter & DeVone - Policing Ourselves

A conversation between cop-scholar Peter Moskos and urban-peacekeeper Devone Boggan on policing, race and “politically correct bullshit.” Both have committed their lives to reducing urban gun violence, one by reforming policing and the other by caring for criminals. (Photo of Peter Moskos by Amy Eckert)

Dec 27, 2021•1 hr 7 min•Season 1Ep. 2

Matt & Jackie – A Sibling Gender War

A conversation between scrappy writer Matt Sumell and his social justice warrior sister Jackie Sumell. They grew up in a household that was torn apart by a gender war. Decades later, that war still dominates their relationship.

Dec 27, 2021•1 hr 2 min•Season 1Ep. 1

Van Jones - Problems with the Left

A conversation with Van Jones about what he thinks the left still doesn’t understand. And reflections on a season of difficult conversations.

Sep 04, 2018•20 min•Season 1Ep. 1

Joscha & Y-Vonne - Will Robots Be Racist?

A conversation between Harvard-nerd Joscha Bach and diversity-evangelist Y-Vonne Hutchinson on bias in tech and the future of humanity. Y-Vonne fears artificial intelligence will reflect the blind spots of the computer geniuses developing it. Joscha is one of those geniuses.

Aug 22, 2018•55 min•Season 1Ep. 4

Tish & Mike - “We could all use a little warming”

A conversation between suburban-radical Tish O'Dell and Cajun-fisherman Mike Schaff about global warming and class. Both know what it is like for environmental destruction to threaten what they love the most, but only one thinks global warming is a “big deal.”

Aug 15, 2018•59 min•Season 1Ep. 3

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