“So I want to live in a liberal society where people can have their freedom of speech recognised where people can debate openly on issues on the issues of the day, where people can debate things. Yeah, I think I think liberal societies need debate. And I think they need to have people feel confident enough to call others out as part of that debate. But debate isn't possible where tone policing happens, I don't think because debate requires that everybody's voice does get to be heard, however, th...
Sep 28, 2023•21 min•Season 2Ep. 67
“Now I've been the token., so I can wholeheartedly speak from experience of how being the one representative made me feel both a kind of responsibility, and a specialness, but also a visibility that perpetuated my marginalisation. That visibility, that responsibility and visibility also meant that it was impossible to genuinely include me, because I was never just like everybody else, I was always just the voice over there, that might have a really different way of viewing things. And so althoug...
Sep 21, 2023•23 min•Season 2Ep. 66
“Our colourblindness attempts to sanitise, through our intention, the very reliable and very lived impact of the significance of colour in the lives of many people who are racialized as black or brown. Because colourblindness ignores the persistence of racial discrimination and the lack of equity experienced in the day to day lives of people who hold racialized identities.” In this solo episode, Angie explores why the ideas of neutrality and colourblindness in leadship are problematic. She propo...
Sep 14, 2023•20 min•Season 2Ep. 65
“When we say that we need to run diversity training, what we actually do is reassert the centre ground. We say we need to train people who don't hold minoritized identities, (the centre ground (everybody who we understand)) on all of those people who do have minoritized identities (those at the margins (everybody that we don't understand)). So what it becomes is a reassertion of the idea that there can be a centre ground, when in actual fact, it's kind of an impossibility. If we are talking abou...
Sep 07, 2023•22 min•Season 2Ep. 64
"I do think that because of my experiences, and because of, of my feeling around learning, that made me excel in the classroom as a teacher, because I really could understand how to do the building blocks of learning, you know, and break things down and make sure that understanding was there. I think that teachers I've met that have not struggled at school and that have been, you know, those learners that are flying through, have found that journey of being able to break learning down harder." I...
Aug 31, 2023•43 min•Season 2Ep. 63
"What I have realised over this summer break, which itself has been a liminal space between everything that I worked on last year, and everything that has come together for the year ahead, what I've realised and come to realise, is that my practice has developed, my leadership training has developed into me facilitating liminal spaces for others, in order that they can emerge out of that space, knowing the first step that they are going to take towards lighting the way." In this solo episode, An...
Aug 24, 2023•24 min•Season 2Ep. 62
"Once we dispense with the timeline, and the expectation that, you know, things are going to happen on a particular timeline, we can actually position ourselves in ways that make us feel excited about what's going to happen next. So our goals no longer feel impossibly hard to achieve. It becomes actually, what a journey, I'm excited about the journey. I wonder what's going to happen along the way?" In this solo episode, Angie unpacks her programme The Melanated Mastermind, which is enrolling now...
Jul 13, 2023•27 min•Season 2Ep. 61
"Because I do this work as my leadership in the world, there is no off switch to it. In many ways, it's because I have become expert, adept, completely at one with constantly scanning the horizon for what's going on in the world, and constantly trying to make sense of it." In this solo episode, Angie guides you through six questions to ask yourself when encountering news stories, to develop your DEIJ Cultural Quotient. To participate fully in the workshop, you will need something to make notes w...
Jul 06, 2023•34 min•Season 2Ep. 60
"The idea of meritocracy validates inequality by putting an enormous amount of emphasis on skill and hard work. And it continues to propagate the belief that success hinges on personal determination and progress, brushing aside all of those intrinsic societal factors, all of those nuances. And it both implies a lack of competence, or inherent laziness in those who don't achieve as much as others. And that's something we should all find grossly offensive." In this solo episode, Angie explores the...
Jun 29, 2023•23 min•Season 2Ep. 59
"Now, I feel more so than ever, that diversity, equity inclusion work is just good leadership. So as we patrol the border between now and next, what we're also patrolling is the border between the kind of leader that would have been the kind of leader that we want to become. And this new leader doesn't do DEI as an extra thing. Rather, everything they do is infused with an understanding of the importance of diversity, equity and inclusion." In this solo episode, Angie introduces the 2023 DEI Vir...
Jun 22, 2023•24 min•Season 2Ep. 58
"Life does not always get to be easy. And for those of us who are, you know, have existed with the high tolerance levels for a life that hasn't been easy, that are existing with these continually minoritized identities, you know, deliberately saying these identities have been minoritized by a centre ground, if you live with these identities doesn't always get to be easy. And although we can change our thoughts about our lives, we can change our thoughts about our circumstances, that doesn't mean...
Jun 15, 2023•18 min•Season 2Ep. 57
In this episode, Angie expands on her approach to receiving feedback, as a leader, and describes why calling detractors 'haters' is unhelpful. This Masterclass was recorded live on Instagram. More lives from Angie can be found at her IG account - @angelambrowne Connect with Angie on her website - www.angelabrowne.co.uk A full transcript of this episode can be found at https://being-luminary.simplecast.com/episodes/masterclass-luminary-listening This podcast was written and presented by Angie Bro...
Jun 08, 2023•29 min•Season 2Ep. 56
"I'm really interested in this idea in spiritual education. And we don't we say it, but we don't really engage with it in schools. And when I have talked about it, people get a little bit kind of itchy." In this wide ranging conversation, Angie talks to Rebecca Leek about how her faith as a Quaker informs her teaching, why schools in Britain don't engage well with faith, sexism in British culture, and the challenge of being neurodivergent and contentious in the education system. Rebecca Leek is ...
Jun 01, 2023•45 min•Season 2Ep. 55
"If we look at it in plain and simple terms, then some people will ask you to be part of something because of, of your ethnicity. You know, because you are this, this ethnicity, and it's exotic or interesting. But, you know, and then sometimes you might need to do that. So, very often, I'll be described as a Romani writer. And that might serve the purpose of that particular thing. But actually, in reality, am I a very good storyteller? Am I a reasonably good writer who just happens to be Romani?...
May 25, 2023•18 min•Season 2Ep. 54
"My mom is white and English. And my dad is black and American. And he grew up in segregation in West Virginia. And I really don't think either of them expected me to experience racism. .. When I got older when I was 12, 11/12/13 and these kids were telling me, 'Don't let your dad pick you up. We can't let my parents know he's black. Don't tell them you're black'. I didn't tell my parents any of that because I knew at that point, that was gonna hurt them. You know, and so I didn't share that wit...
May 18, 2023•17 min•Season 2Ep. 53
"Our childhood was kind of framed with violence and neglect and struggle. But also alongside that there were kind of riches in terms of freedom, art, music, friendships...I think my origin story is a lot about holding two truths or multiple truths - dualities, juxtaposition." In this distilled episode, Penny Rabiger explores her origin story, as the child of a Jewish mother in North London, and how she navigates whiteness in her DEI work. You can listen to the full episode here - https://being-l...
May 11, 2023•17 min•Season 2Ep. 52
"I allow myself the thoughts of doubt, but these are not self-isolating thoughts. No, I make these thoughts hold hands with others. I make them connect with thoughts like 'things are always working out', like 'there are amazing opportunities around the corner', with thoughts like, 'how truly lucky you are.' In times like these, there is an opportunity for us all to face down misery, turmoil and strife with grace and peace, and I invite you to try it. As Rob Bell says, if we stumble or fall, 'wis...
May 04, 2023•14 min•Season 2Ep. 51
"I feel like maybe disruption, maybe disorder, maybe some degree of changing and a little bit of chaos, even, it's just the way that we live. But in that we have the opportunity to cling on to things that are really sure that are really secure. And there is nothing short or secure than our own sense of ourselves. Because that's what we were born with, we walk with it every day, we hold it, whether we like it or we want to change it is a different matter. But we all are here with a sense of ourse...
Apr 27, 2023•12 min•Season 2Ep. 50
"I'm trying to recognise that I have been able to bring a body of work into the world that benefits from being shared and interpreted and articulated by others. And also just to really see the impact of becoming the bottleneck for all of that getting out into the world. There's something of ego in there isn't there, there's something of hubris like, Oh, I'm the only person that can do this. That also sits in there. And I've been working in exploring that as well as I expand into the next level o...
Apr 20, 2023•22 min•Season 2Ep. 49
“I think the idea of it being a golden ticket to being an insider, has already gone. And I think that's a good thing. I mean, I don't have a problem with it. And I think one of the big challenges for the independent sector is, is to ensure that we are fully integrated in society. And we are a force for good both institutionally and for the individuals that we send out into the world.” In this distilled episode, Angie talks to Steffan Griffiths about how he approaches DEI work while holding a lot...
Mar 30, 2023•15 min•Season 2Ep. 48
"If you do nothing, that is a political act. If you sit on the sidelines, and you are not engaged in using the talents that you have, ultimately for the well being of others, then you're actually contributing to maintaining the status quo, you're not seeking change." In this distillled episode Angie talks to Robin Bevan, Headteacher at Southend High School for Boys. They talk about Robin’s background in trade unionism and non-Conformist religion, about using his privilege to speak up for others,...
Mar 23, 2023•18 min•Season 2Ep. 47
“This is exciting, energising stuff. And while it's difficult, we shouldn't be cowed by that. Because it's through the difficulty that we will make real progress and start to chip away at some very embedded and deep issues that just need to have a light shone on them and that's why we should approach it in a very positive way” In this distilled episode Angie talks to Cheryl Giovannoni about growing up in South Africa, the DEI work that the Girls’ Day School Trust is engaged in and the work that ...
Mar 16, 2023•18 min•Season 2Ep. 46
Trigger warning - this podcast contains depictions of both physical and emotional torture and pain. Listener discretion is advised. Somebody asked me recently, what I thought might be different about my life, had I been born in a different skin in less brown skin? And my immediate response was, how could I possibly know? We none of us really know, do we, what the other person experiences. But the thought of not experiencing this life, as someone with brown skin has never really occurred to me, h...
Mar 09, 2023•24 min•Season 2Ep. 45
"I think as a white woman in this field, there's just so much that one has to try to be mindful of. And I think holding on to this notion that I will be good is just, it's not helpful. Right? Of course, I try to do no harm. I try to be self aware. But there are layers and layers. So I do need people to reflect back. But I also need to be self reliant and responsible and not just expect other people to carry me along and explain and educate me. So I think there's a responsibility and an awareness...
Mar 02, 2023•1 hr 6 min•Season 2Ep. 44
“There are thousands of school leaders and teachers doing those sorts of things every day. And if they weren't, this country would be a lot worse place for this and we don't see it, reward it. I think government takes it for granted that this sort of glue is there. In many ways it sort of uses it, I think, but if we funded it properly, and resourced it and respected it that way, this could be a very powerful force for our country.” In this distilled episode, Angie talks to Russell Hobby about th...
Feb 23, 2023•18 min•Season 2Ep. 43
In this solo episode, Angie shares an intimate portrait of a day in her life. Connect with Angie on her website - www.angelabrowne.co.uk A full transcript of this episode can be found at https://being-luminary.simplecast.com/episodes/a-day-in-the-life-of-angie-browne This podcast was written and presented by Angie Browne. Original music was by Martin Austwick. The series is edited and produced by Big Tent Media and Emily Crosby Media ....
Feb 16, 2023•26 min•Season 2Ep. 42
“Every adult in school is getting paid to be there, including me, the kids are not. They don't get anything out of it. And if they're disengaged from their education, from the learning in that school, they're getting less than nothing. Imagine if somebody said to you as an adult, now, here's the thing, you go to this place, it's not very good for you. You just don't want to be there all day. And maybe it's giving you some kind of anxiety as well on top, and you don't get anything out of it. Why ...
Feb 09, 2023•51 min•Season 2Ep. 41
'For so many people in my generation who were raised with that kind of colorblind approach, they've always thought there's not no racism at all, but they haven't realised that they've internalised so much of it. Because it is in all, it's in the media, it's in the culture, it's all in there. So it's for us about kind of trying to say to people, it's okay to see that now. And we need to start talking about it, and having really deep meaningful conversations about it, and how that might be impacti...
Feb 02, 2023•17 min•Season 2Ep. 40
"I found that when I was acting, there were no, I had to audition with monologues. And there were no monologues written for me, for a mixed girl. So I'm like, Well, I'm writing it. And then I was getting asked the What are you? questions so many times when I would go into auditions, that I wrote a monologue, and I it was called, I'm mixed and I walked in the room. They're like, Do you have a monologue? I was like, yes. And it started just to answer all the questions that it consists of, What are...
Jan 26, 2023•1 hr 7 min•Season 2Ep. 39
"We're so sort of conditioned to think of writing as this solitary thing where one person tells you how it is - that collaboration is seen as, as less interesting." In this distilled episode Angie talks to Darren Chetty about his varied family background in Wales, the Netherlands and South Africa, and his focus on collaboration through his disparate work in anti racism in primary schools, academic writing, philosophy of education, Hip Hop Ed and DEI consultancy. Darren Chetty taught in London pr...
Jan 19, 2023•17 min•Season 2Ep. 38
