K-pop Gen Combat!

Welcome to another episode of Not Your Average Netizens. I am Nat, and I'm joined by the lovely Jimin.

Hello. Why did you?

Okay, hello. Hi, guys. We're back. And we are back with a more bite-sized. I mean, it's probably not going to be that much shorter, to be honest, because we like to talk. But we are back with a slightly shorter formatted version of our regular episodes because we are so excited to be back, you know, talking to you guys about all things K-pop and, you know, Asian entertainment, specifically, you know, East Asian, Southeast Asian, obviously.

It has. I'm glad to be back. I'll say that first. Things have been very evenful, very interesting. I've been listening to so many different things. I honestly don't even want to like detail all of it. But you know how songs get stuck in your head and like you can't get rid of them, even if you don't like them.

I have been

Doing a lot of reading for various things and keeping it busy. I did go to your nation's capital last month,

Which was interesting. Such a wooded thing for a fellow American to say, but all right.

And yeah, I've just been keeping very, very busy and in good spirits and trying times, obviously. I've been listening. You know what? Recently, I have been listening to a lot of Attack on Titan OSTs.

Acting is in like it's so good.

Right right so it's one of those things where I'm like is it the best anime of all time I think so I know the ending is polarizing for a lot of people but I think that what I think what muddles it for a lot of people or confuses it or whatnot is that Isayama had like an idea from the beginning to the end and he knows and he's it's like with with what's his face and one piece um oda he like oda yes i know why i was thinking kishimoto he did naruto but

And I think

That it brought in about a bigger wave of, like, gory kind of, like, anime as well, too. But the story's not there. And, like, I know. I just, like, I think it's just amazing. Like, and I mean, obviously, there are a lot of animes that I love or mangos and stuff like that that I love and that, you know, I enjoy that. You know, maybe the story's not as great. Maybe it's more nostalgic speaking. Maybe it's certain characters or maybe it's a fandom.

I think.

Not being replicated.

In yeah I think I can say like definitively that Attack on Type might be the single greatest like story I've seen in anime and I think it's all those things you said and I also think too like you talked about the timelessness of it I just want to say I think that it was genius for him to make the outside world be more so like stuck in this like not stuck but more so like mirror like World War II era I think that was really smart for the timelessness aspect because if you are talking to

Let me tell you about that. Like not to get off topic here, people, but you know, whatever.

Show sounds like.

You're supposed to tell me and then and then they tried to like write con it we're like in this like special i can't remember what it's called where you know sasuke first of all they've been married for like at least 12 years at this point sasuke gives her a ring for the first time that he created out of rock or some shit i don't know and he tells her i'm always thinking about you and i'm like that's a lie that is actually a canon lie because

For no reason. At a certain point, girl, I will quit on something. I will quit on it.

You know what?

I wanted to finish it because it's one of the big threes, which is why. But it's so funny because I'm watching One Piece because I actually enjoy it. And sometimes if I get to a really good arc, I'll go back and rewatch the arc because it's just so good, right? Whereas with Naruto, it was, like, slog. Yeah it's that and bleach bleach was really like the original bleach was the the filler anyway the filler was so hard to get through it was so bad and the anime was mostly filler so

It was oh.

It was so bad like that's why i see what i like about newer anime is that like there's less filler but i do think like if you do have good filler i don't mind it it's just when it's really bad filler and it cuts into the middle of fight scenes like with bleach with bleach they literally had filler in the middle of one of their major battles why why would you do that like like like aizen and and ichigo are about to fight and then you're in filler like what what

Maybe so the manga could catch up to the anime child i.

Don't know then you you gotta you gotta plan that better you just gotta yeah like attack on titan yeah yeah exactly attack on titan oh see that's what i've been listening to you and then like just like honestly i like so many different genres it's just been like a whole bunch of mixes of things like i'm still listening to cowboy carter one direction you know more than this and like stuff like that fool's gold actually i really like that song i've been listening to that a lot too and obviously

We do. It's a very simple poll. So this week's poll question is, did Blackmeat's hiatus ruin the economy? Your choices are yes, no, probably, and probably not. What are you thinking at?

Oh i don't think so i don't know i didn't think black pink had that much of an influence on the economy like at least with bts you could be like people were going to korea to see bts you know what i mean like or like to see their spots you know like suga walked down this street like and that's actually no lie an actual quote from somebody i know who had a friend who visited sugar's hometown and said that so yeah i don't think we have that same issue with blackpink who

Notice i just said the the economy i'm talking about like the global economy because right now the in the world we're like i feel like the whole world is kind of like going through some hard times.

We need black pink in our area is what you're saying okay yeah well you know what

I don't, I mean,

I can't believe I'm saying it, but I feel like YG or YG adjacent, you know, acts and stuff like that have really become a boost. You know, we have Blackpink coming back next year doing a tour. G-Dragon is releasing an album allegedly this year. Baby Monster has been performing all over. And I think they are slowly kind of building a presence. And their songs actually, like after multiple listens, do some better. But I think you have to watch the lives I think you have to see them perform it To

Really like.

Get into it And obviously 21 The queens themselves are embarking On a hopefully global tour So

You know Maybe.

Blackpink and co Are really going to be Helping with this recession You know Okay

So they're going to boost the.

Kind of money I mean if 21 Comes back and hopefully they visit america because i know they're probably not coming to toronto i will definitely come to them so hey there you go i'm helping the economy too okay

Yeah i i don't know if it was blackpink's hiatus specifically but i will say you know correlation doesn't equal causation and all that jazz there is a correlation though i think the economy started going down the moment blackpink stepped away from the mic so something to be said for it jenny's okay i mean we'll see yes she is well let us know what you all think on our twitter you can where you can vote on this poll at nyan edisons that's n-y-a-n-e-t-i-z-e-n-s

Song's been jennifer lee yes oh you're right i know why i'm saying that is it i think there is a jennifer lee there is one but i just don't know okay but yes jenny jenny came jenny kim jennifer kim she has come back with a single it's called mantra and i i think it's i look at it like as a cute taster a taster for what's to come from jenny mostly because i don't think it's like a song it's very short it's very repetitive as you know songs tend

Well, I haven't listened to it yet. I'm waiting to listen to it on Patreon with you all. I don't think I've listened to really any comebacks or debuts because I've been waiting to listen to it with the show. So, yeah, I'm interested.

We did listen to some. We did listen to some comebacks. I'm trying to remember what

They were I can't remember a lot of them.

Some of

Them I remember because they are You know The groups that I like But other than that I'm like I don't really.

Remember I did take photos of what we did listen to So we did Bekyon's Pineapple Slice Jayshon's Dandelion and Roses That was alright Sexy in the Air from Mr. Taven That was cool We did Day 6's Meltdown I

Didn't see the hype.

Yeah huasa's na or nah uh keys pleasure shop which i think was that was good yeah from the group nct wish with dunk shot yeah he went harmony with no song or sad song remember that song kang daniel our king with electric shock which was cute and we liked his hair in the mb okay remember he was like he was like a geek and he had that oh yeah yeah it was cute lisa your friend with crazy and cat's eye wouldn't

Touch that was okay.

It's very catchy very it's very catchy yeah yeah oh my girl with classified don't remember nct wish again with three minutes

Unfortunately, I don't remember.

Let's see. Risey with Combo.

Definitely Rise. And that one, I'm just not sold on it. So.

Rescene with Pinball. Which, remember, that was that low-budget one where we thought they had a foot fetish?

Yes. I do remember. It was a cute song.

But the foot fetish thing was weird.

Yeah, but the foot fetish was like, yeah.

It was real weird. Lucembo with TTYL. Was that good? I can't remember it. I can't remember.

Okay.

Vivi looked good in it but I just don't remember how the song was and then Hyo with Retro Romance she was wasn't that bad kinda yeah it was like she was in LA or something like that dancing a lot it was really weird and then two of the more controversial ones we watched were okay so D&E Super Junior D&Es

Oh god that.

Was terrible We actually did not finish the MB. And I think that's the first time we have never finished an MB, guys, in the years that we've done these things. So, yeah. And then the most racist MB that we've seen in a long time, a young hockey, I hate that.

Oh, my God. That was so racist. Yep, yep, yep.

So yeah, that was it.

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That's a good segue so what's going on.

So okay i'm going by the topics here so allegedly koreans hate holly is it halle berry or so

Well first i just want to say that's the first thing that's a crazy thing to say is alleged, even though we have the proof. Halle Bailey.

Oh, okay.

Our little mermaid.

Why do they hate her? Oh, it's because they're colorism and racism. I see.

Yeah. So basically, I guess, Tyla is making her rounds in South Korea, which is what she should be doing, which is the same thing that Tinashe should have did long ago. Right. But she's making her rounds. And of course, Korean people and the Korean netizens love her. And they are comparing her to every other Black celebrity who's ever done anything.

Like oh but

You know what i mean when you see her and they've been commenting on the her tiktok and commenting on videos with tyla in it saying that you know these women should have played the little mermaid instead of tyla one comment says they should have had tyla play instead of that black fish princess, everyone would have not in an agreement if tyla was ariel and and mind you you know we're literally like years later like i don't know when the little mermaid came out but it felt like it

Okay yeah okay well i mean clearly it's it is definitely racist

They're saying that tyla is the personification of tiana have y'all seen tiana from like yeah tiana is not a biracial from south africa be serious i.

Mean you know what i have come to realize that people who can't even one love themselves as they were born and also to you know pushes industries where they look not

Like themselves at

All but you know believes that that is what they look like they're gonna have a skewed and really fucked up view of beauty in general so yeah yeah i'm not and not to like discount what anybody is saying. Cause I'm sure there are probably, you know, some people in there who are not trying to be racist or colorist and just, you know, have things that they have to say on it. I mean, I haven't seen every comment, so I can't really say like, they're all trash. I don't know.

Like desire is to

Look like something that doesn't exist or is so far away from what you actually look like, but that's the only beauty that you can idealize, then I really don't want to talk to you about, you know, beauty or, you know, the aesthetics of it all. You know what I mean? Like, I just don't think your opinion is valid. I'm sorry. Okay.

We could take this topic out of the final.

No, no, no, no, no. I mean, i'm saying that for it to be included that's fine with me like i i like i'm going on record and saying that like if you don't love what you look like the way that you're born then you know i'm gonna look at you a little funny when you start talking about beauty you know like obviously there's nuance there's nuance on that and like obviously some things you know and obviously like it's rough because there are studies that show like the better that you look the

Really?

She is so gorgeous and stunning and pretty. and Tyla is also stunning and pretty like

I think, I mean,

Part of why we put the, or why, why this ended up on the list is because they're commenting these things on stuff like Manon from Cat's Eye. They're like commenting it on there directly to them. And I think, to me, I think that that's, obviously people are going to have their opinions, but I think that's super gross and inappropriate because what you're telling Manon is you're telling her like, you know, there's this whole aspect of your people that I find distasteful.

And it's funny like you're like out here trying to like demonize hayley or whatever for you know tyla not knowing that they're friends you know like they're people who get along well in in the real world it's like when fans have fan wars between idol groups and like the idol groups are members are actual friends like it's stupid like why why are you doing that it's so dumb and yeah once again like no one i'm sorry like no one in korea who

Also it's kind of crazy to be like it's also kind of crazy to be like not even just from a looks perspective but even just saying like Like certain people should be cast instead of Holly when like a good half of that role is being able to sing like and do it well and in an iconic way. And Holly, I couldn't imagine any other voice.

Well, you know, they did hype up that girl from New Jeans who sang the Korean version of A Whole New World, who did not do even like a fifth of as good as Holly did. Like, here's the thing. I grew up when Little Mermaid came out in theaters. I have it on VHS because I'm that old. And I know all the lyrics to A Part of Your World. Sorry. I sing it sometimes in the shower. Like, that's my song. Jodi Benson, fantastic job of Ariel.

I guess speaking on things that opinions that people share online that that we definitely don't care to hear nat is asking one of the most pressing questions of our time do you want to let us tell us about it.

So there is a piece on asian junkie about actress kim min ha who said that she

Like you know i think people are trying to be more relatable even though i don't know that that is a common experience maybe it's something like that you know but that is a definitely a wild factoid to offer for the general public you know what i mean like i feel like i feel like i feel.

Like a

Lot of people's close friends don't even necessarily know something like that or at least if they do know it's not like a conscious fact you know what i mean she's just the way that it's stated i think that's kind of funny.

Right no i agree i agree like it's just one of those things where i'm like yeah you're trying to be relatable and i understand what she means about like the mind games and stuff like that if you've been on like a reddit post ever in your life guys like you'll know what she's talking about but also like why would you share that like i just don't i don't even need to know like like why would you share that you know it's just crazy to me so i

Yes.

Because we, like, it always actually works out that way. It's really crazy. But ex, and I want to stress the ex part, guys. Ex-NCT member, Tayo, reportedly under investigation for aggravated quasi-rape, Faces seven years to life in prison.

Mean i so i guess first i do want to say like everybody i guess who listens knows that i really like nct's music i like several of the members and i i personally feel life tale. If this is true, definitely needs to be under the jail. And I think that while I don't want to make it seem like I'm praising in-citizens for their reaction, I do want to say that I am shocked to see that so many of them were very quick

I definitely agree i hate that term as well yeah

And i'm.

Like oh sorry no no you do the definition because i like hearing that perspective

Well i i just think that like if you actually read the definition of it it's a lot more serious than what the term would have you believe and and not that any type of rape is not serious right but like, just call it what it is, which is rape. That's like what it is. And so I guess like what my interest in this case is obviously I want to know like the details.

Then other people being

Like, yeah, but like, I don't want to violate the victim's privacy. I understand that, but I do think that it's important to know, know what happened. Like, I think that's important. And I think it's okay for people to want to know. And, and I just, I don't, you know what I mean? I don't understand why there was so much like pushback of people saying, you know, they shouldn't reveal what he was being charged for. I remember that was like the big argument.

Because

It seems like the only time stuff gets like stuff happens or like stuff gets taken care of is if there's actual public pressure to get it taken care of in South Korea you see what I'm saying does that make any sense no it does.

Name and shame i think we yeah name

And shame that was an easier way to say that.

The stigma again about rape culture is that and why it continues is that it's kept in the dark it's kept in the closet it's kept is a family secret you know we don't publicize the monsters who are committing these things and so that's why they're able to commit it again and again and again in the cases you know these me too cases are kelly bill cosby harvey weinstein diddy they're able to like they have documents of their victims because people are not naming and shaming people

So glad you said that because i find that whenever things like this happen people feel the need to.

Like like

Catastrophize and all that does is it just makes like you said it causes misinformation you don't have to make something sound like the like you don't have to make up like information in order for people to empathize with the victim when you do that you're like I don't know how to explain how I feel about the people who do that without saying like that's just gross why are you like when this first started circulating people were saying there's a minor involved and

Right it's like baby oil jokes galore but as soon as you you mentioned that the victims were as like as young as nine oh now it's a problem now we need to talk about diddy no we need to talk about the long fucking time ago not just right with everything that's going on now but also even with the way that he treats his black artists and like with the masters and the locks and how they had to leave and you know everything that was going on as with diddy the businessman even before we get

Reservation school or.

What's it called a residential school a residential school they just found like the remains of children indigenous children in the back of these schools that they never reported because you know why would they and so like to hear you know this being the discussion topic is just like so enraging to me You know what I mean? It's just like, don't be like this. You have a choice, you know, like to be a better human being. And you're choosing to do this.

And I feel like, I feel like, you know, people might be like, you know, well, why? You know, why?

Why do we

Talk about this? And I think. Because I don't think people understand that the language you use around tragedy definitely influences how you view it going forward. It's kind of like the whole, I don't know if you've been seeing lately, but a lot of women on the internet have been talking about how rape culture will eventually lead to the normalization of men raping and killing women. And a bunch of men are like, no, a joke is a joke. No, a joke is not a joke. A joke is not a joke.

Yeah and then not further that like just because the victim now is a woman doesn't mean that other marginalized people will not suffer under that like i saw the other day that you know one of these christian right whatever guys in america was talking about how you know loving versus virginia you know should be left up to the states yeah and i did joke about it i was like oh a lot of players from the nfl and nba are calling their owners right now because what is that

You know, it's like you think that because what you're a man that you can't affect it.

If you're not a white man, you're not a rich white man. You're going to get it to some way or the other. You're going to get it as well. So you trying to like one up women, you know, and keep them in their place, quote unquote, is going to backfire because it doesn't stop with the people at the bottom. It stops when the people at the top have everything and we have nothing.

Look forward to

That it's yeah but but just don't go to korea thinking that every man is wanbin and don't go to korea thinking that wanbin is a good person because you don't know that man you don't know you don't.

Know these people and i think that's something that we've stressed from the very beginning like you don't know any of these idols celebrities anything like that you just see them on a screen and they're pretty so it's it

Doesn't mean you can't support them just because you don't know them like you listen i personally believe that if i'm not saying what you don't know don't doesn't hurt you because that's not true but the point is is like, don't feel like you can't engage in the thing that you are enjoy because of.

The fear that

Something might like i i went i was on k-pop noir the other day and like this person was like new to k-pop and they were like oh my goodness like why can't i find a single like k-pop group that's like not problematic like please help me and i was like girl you.

Learn you learn what you you can expect or accept sorry versus what you can't accept i think that's how it goes with any celebrity you learn you know what you're okay with or not okay with but things that you can just ignore or tolerate versus the things that you can't

And also to like what it is there's also something to be said for and i'm not saying it's always genuine but people can change for the better like i i genuinely believe that some people are like oh you can never change but i do think that like i have seen idols do some stuff and then and not not nothing you know like too too crazy that i feel like is but i have seen some idols like maybe say something questionable and then And I can physically see them like,

See people see what

People put their money because at the end of the day, that's your money. You're putting the money in their pocket by watching or streaming or whatever you're doing and then follow the money. And so if they're supporting the right causes, then I feel like that should show you that maybe somebody is a better person. But anyway, that's a long-winded, I need to get off my little soapbox because we have more topics.

But yes. All right. So, you know, I'll put a trigger warning there. So you guys know you can start right here. That's triggering for you. Okay, so this is going to be like a little sort of like Hybie kind of update.

Broke bro, so

They're going to reunite for their 10th anniversary in early 2025 it's not like a official, official comeback or anything like that. But I mean, the girls don't seem like they're making that much money. So this might turn out to be a permanent thing. We don't know yet, but they are going to do it under sourced music and that everything's been confirmed. And I, like, I say this using GFriend as an example, because G-Friend was like, just unceremoniously disbanded. Like it was just so random.

Wanting to make

Room for their new group and their new group ended up being lead seraphim. So that's why a lot of people are just like, this is like odd, you know, in the same way that, you know, with 21's comeback at YG, we know YG is not making any money. Blackpink, you know, like have fucked off for the year. G-Dragon and Top Left, Daesung Left, Taeyang is under the black label with Teddy. Icon Left.

I feel like their current artists that are active are not even making music besides baby monster like treasure last time you've heard them drop anything.

I can't even remember the last time that treasure had to come back to be quite honest with you so yes it's it seems like they're broke and and so we see that that you know one of the reactions to that brokenness is that 21 has come back great but we see it also here in source so i'm actually happy to see gfriend back again i do hope that the results are really good because i would love to see gfriend you know be like actively actively back but yeah there's that and then we have some more

They don't give it a rest i.

Don't know i thought like so i'm so confused okay so basically like so new jeans had did that whole like you is it a tiktok video youtube video i know what it was but basically they put an ultimatum up saying like you guys have to reinstate minhee jen by this time or you know face the consequences kind of thing and i mean i think the deadline has coming on so i don't know what the consequences were supposed to be but it looks like you know the girls themselves are firmly on minhee jen's

That's what it is. I think that like, if I could follow a narrative, it would be interesting. But because there's no narrative, like I don't understand what's going on. Like I literally, there's too much information and nobody has put it in like bullet points for me because I ain't reading all that. I'm gonna be honest with you. This woman is not that important to me. I am not like, I don't care about Hybe. If Hybe went under today, it would make no difference to me.

Yeah. See, so like for the plagiarism thing, it's really interesting in that it's the proof.

I just got done saying that none of it was interesting and you're going to say.

I know, I know. I will say it's interesting in the sense that it could change things. Okay. Can you explain it again? Yeah. So basically, like I'm reading a little bit more about the whole plagiarism thing. So she's actually submitted evidence that belief plagiarized new genes with Islet or Illit. And it's supposed to like actually prove that, you know, they took a group that was already established and copied the blueprint.

Think i think i think it could be too because of the.

Way that

Their intellectual property system works like because i know.

I feel

Like okay i'll just say this i'll say it this way In certain countries, the IP only counts if it's IP from that country or from like a generally recognized region where a company operates in that country because of a jurisdictional issue. So like in Korea, there could be, it could be, it only counts if it's considered like a Korean IP. And you can only investigate cases about Korean IP in Korean courts, which would make sense. But also...

Okay no that's interesting yeah that's that's the only thing that i thought was interesting sorry guys not to be misleading once again you know yeah i think it's only interesting because once again like i think that they plagiarize a lot of things from black culture that they claim that they don't plagiarize and then turn around to be like you did this dance move that i did in my music video plagiarism there

Are people who think that like koreans invented rapping while singing like cape not koreans but k-pop invented that like having singing and rapping in the same song.

Like most of the 90s like all

Of hip-hop you know okay all.

Right okay okay i mean you're not a smart person but okay anyways guys how about this we will not report on any minhijin ish versus hype stuff until we actually see a good timeline and there's actually something worth reporting yes there you go because like yeah this are like honestly like things are happening but like none of them seem that important so right all right so next lee su

But yeah but he was trying to start it's just one of those things so where it's like you know how many times do we have to teach you this lesson oh man just sit down like.

Right i think

That it would be okay if it wasn't lee suman but because it's him it's just.

Like he

Keep i feel like he keep trying to sneak his way back into this industry like what is he doing.

You know what he's a boomer that doesn't want to retire you're like exactly like go to the you have a house you can afford a house you bought it for five thousand dollars like please just retire and get out of the industry and we're like he's like no as long as i'm alive i'm going to work actually

Like the k-net i never think that they comments are funny that like that but someone like so it's at least someone is freaking funny like i'm impressed for so many reasons, Like, it's just, it's become a point where he's, like, literally a meme. You know what I mean? Like, I just think it's funny whenever he tries to get back into the music industry because it's, like, he clearly has a talent for it. Like, he built SM from the ground up, right?

Yeah. He wants to do the graduation system kind of thing, right?

Execute like he's genuinely not good at seeing things through he will just like try something and then, he really wants it really badly I don't know man he just doesn't stick to his guns but it is very funny and it is kind of impressive that he doesn't give up I'm just.

Like alright at this point

We just gotta live with this man.

Yeah yeah no absolutely wow he's he definitely just retire man you're rich enough just do it like leave the industry let the let us take over properly you know

Yes it's.

Crazy it's crazy well i'm sure though whatever group he comes up with they're gonna know to sing so at least there'll be that but anyways let us get into the next topic and i'll let you introduce

That speaking of sm groups that know how to sing oh

Is insanity but also i want to do something special for that because i think it does deserve it all right

Yes they definitely deserve the jamaican air horns because girl, this is crazy like this is like literally insane news because one thing sm i feel like sm it tends to be like i don't know i feel like if a member is like kind of like on hiatus that's like code for never coming back right right so number one so i didn't expect this to happen also the k nets and the k breezes did not want this like they still don't want it they're like mad that it's happening like literally

We've watched all of them we've watched every single mv so yes i do know that is true

We have literally listened to every single Rye song.

It's so, yeah, crazy.

It's kind of crazy to bring him back, right? Because they've had like some of their highest peaks without him. But a lot of people are saying, particularly Kay Breezes, are saying, well, SM must really be wanting the international push. Because I guess the whole thing.

Was, is like,

Apparently rise was doing super well internationally when he was in the group and then the moment he left was when like you know internationally they started to fall off and like all the international breezes wanted him back which is true the international breezes didn't want him back and i will say that their music video views and all that dropped and then you do see people saying that they're not as entertaining without him but i guess like my whole trouble with it because i

You were gonna be like oh you know guys I thought they were really funny and interesting and you're like no I

Actually was boring listen Rise was never a group I was going to to be entertained by their variety like ever even when I watched the content with Sun Han in it so I never understood the push to get him back, oh that was weird the push to get him back but that being said like, I never was like one of those people that was like, he needs to be out of the group. Like when his scandal dropped, I was like, okay, like, all right.

Like he dated somebody already. Like it was, wasn't that?

And he's like smoking cigarettes. And I was like, oh, so you mean like everybody in South Korea?

Who in South Korea doesn't smoke?

Like what? What are we doing? So like, it's not like I ever wanted him out of the group or felt like the group was better with him without him. It's just, I always felt like it wouldn't make a difference to me.

Group is shotaran is he okay i wasn't sure like i thought he was advised but then i was like wait maybe it's a dream i i'm sorry i wish i couldn't remember for a second there i was like right you know i don't have japanese members so i was like not sure which one was which

Yeah they may rise for shotaro and sometime and then it's like you know listen to me when i think arise i immediately think one bin like i don't i don't even entertain nobody else's face until i see one bins because he to me is the heart and soul of the group in the sense of i think he's not the in the sense of not the heart and soul take that out because breeze is gonna come for me for that i mean that he's like the center like he's literally the center that's his official role so like

He was just one of them yeah yeah it's like no offense like you know aespa but like or the rest of the members in aespa but it's like if it's like aespa without karina like if you see the group and karina's at the back hidden like that's weird right

Like yeah there's.

A group every group has that one member that you always associate with that group either because of their visuals or from like you know being so incredible at something that they do like you know obviously shiny has you know everybody there is fantastic whatever

But i feel like taemin.

For me is always like shiny you know too at the same time i don't know like i i don't know maybe i

Mean i could i see where you're coming from but like yeah i like for like got seven for me i can't imagine got seven without jackson i can't imagine big bang without g-dragon.

Like right right and it's just starting to be your favorite members because like jackson's not my favorite member of got seven and g-dragon is not my favorite member of big bang but but like it's like it's like that that thing that that there's that thing about that person that just means the group view like i don't know maybe they always put their face on like the icons for their music videos or what it is but you just always associate that yeah like

I love txt y'all know i love txt and granted my favorite member is the face of the group i still feel like i can't fathom txt without young june right like it just is what it is and somehow it's not that member to me for rise and i feel like it's not I honestly feel like, okay, this is my hot take about this situation. And then I'll try to be done talking about it. If Sung Han was not removed from the group, he would not be looked at as being

Yeah.

Korean, not that good yet. So you can't be like, but it's sketchy. So I was like, what you mean by that? You know what I mean? But, you know, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt because it is really one of those that could go either way type of things that he said. He tend to have good takes on most stuff. Like most idols would be like, oh, I'm getting fat. And he'll be like, I literally need to gain weight. He'd be like, I haven't eaten enough today.

You know what's funny? When I saw the news, you were the first person I thought about. I was like, oh, but it was like really late so I can message you or anything, right? But I was like, oh, Jimin's going to be, I was like, not that Jimin's going to be happy about this, but Jimin's going to definitely want to talk about this. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's something that matters, obviously, because they're a group that you like or you're still figuring out and things like that.

I will say i wouldn't be shocked if you heard a lot about anton lately too because like i said anton slowly becoming more of a face of the group and i think it's because he's becoming super visual lately like he's been working out like crazy and he grew his hair out and like the girls are starting to realize that oh i'm in that long hair like he's tall and he's buff and i'm like he was a swimmer like what did y'all think was under all them clothes did y'all think he was gonna be like

All of us be eating things that like honestly even white people i

Guess everybody.

On this planet eats them that is other cultures would be like oh

I don't know about that, in different ways.

We both said the same thing in different ways but yes

Well, so you know, Nat already knows my response to this because when she sent me this, I immediately responded. And I said, my hot take is that I do agree.

Yeah, I do agree. and my my opinion on it is that it's not necessarily that i disagree but i think that third gen and second gen are equal and then i would put fourth gen and then fifth gen

Oh oh also actually i i agree okay i want to be clear i agree that it's third gen and second gen what i disagree with is i think fifth gen is above fourth gen that's probably an even hotter take for all the Stray Kids dance. But all right.

So these are our positions, guys. Now, why like, we'll go into a little bit more of why we think the way that we think about these things. And so for me, personally, I think that fourth gen and sorry, I think that fourth gen and fifth gen obviously are not as good in my opinion as second and third gen. I'll put that out there. Like that's not even a discussion for me. Whether fifth gen is

Better than fourth

Gen or fourth gen is better than fifth gen, I think for me, I have to think about it in the terms of groups that I prefer. And, like, when I listen to groups, like, honestly, out of,

Let me, I think.

I have to pull up groups, too, because I feel like I don't understand, like, I might be a little confused on what's technically fourth gen versus what's technically fifth gen. I think that's also something that might be a little confusing for me and maybe a lot of people who are talking about this,

You know. I think there should be a cusp gen. Like, a point and a half.

I think we, between second and third gen, we did that a lot.

Definition i feel like the only things that we can all agree on is that h.o.t is first gen big bang is second gen bts is third gen and 80s i think is fourth gen is it 80s So.

4th gen Okay Basically popular 4th gen groups Are Stray Kids Ateens G Idol Simon G Idol To you TXT Itsy Inhyphen Espa Ivy Leeserafem And Nugene's

Okay so basically.

Fifth gen those

Are the groups that everybody agrees on that's.

What it is according to this post that i'm seeing here and fifth gen groups would be like zero base one baby monster boy next door that kind of stuff see

I always said the zb1 was fourth gen even though they were advertised as fifth gen that being said a year later looking back i know at the beginning of this year i joked and i was like fifth gen began with nct wish and i kind of this year february oh okay okay okay i kind of still stick with that but what i'll say is i'll say this the cuspy kind of unofficial fifth gen would be zb1 and fort a true fifth gen meaning you can't make any other you can't come to any other conclusion except for that

Would be like

Bap maybe.

You know, it's funny. So I've, somebody's also like, you know, so many discussions about it, but somebody tweeted that second gen is like all the second or was it second gen? Yeah. All the second gen groups have disbanded. And I'm like, that's a lie.

Like, yeah, so.

Many second gen groups are still making music and still touring and stuff like that. I named them. And I actually included BAP and BAP. And I also included, I think, VIX. And technically they're third gen but they were so early in it that people like they kind of muddled it in that sense right because like yeah i feel like when third gen really started popping off is when they had they they had already been in the game for a couple years you know right

So that's.

Why it kind of feels like they could be second gen

But but also the peak early yeah.

This might be

Controversial controversial.

Conversation i know a lot of people you know say what they want about bts you know a got seven you know whatever but i think in the same way that big bang revolution this revolutionized like what it meant to be a boy band in second gen bap revolutionized what it meant to be a boy band in third gen

I don't think that's controversial i think amongst armies that's controversial but i think in general i think you're right i feel like i feel like you can tell what generation we're in by like what is the general vibe of the boy group and the girl group like the boy like what does that mean to be a boy group in that generation and i feel like right in second jam you can kind of say that it was kind of like all over the place because to some extent it was like

No no i agree but i think it's because they also take a lot of influence from the first gen and so that was the sound of the first gen was like more r&b influenced right so that's why you have that kind of come back a lot more experimental in that sense but like boring experimental it's not like the fun sort of like you know we're gonna like fx fx was a fun group you know and they experimented a lot with their sound i think like what new jeans and a lot of these groups are

Right i feel like to kind of answer this generations kind of thing i truly do feel like we have to look at sm and their biggest their the the boy group and the girl group to tell what generation we're in. So I feel like, for example, second gen, you have to look at girls' generation and then shiny, which is weird to kind of consider them. Because some people might consider shiny and red velvet more peers, but I would say, or FX were more peers.

Yes, yes. And that is the thing. And that's why they are debuting a new girl group, I think, to kind of even it out,

So to speak.

But, yeah, it is weird because Aespa debuted so far from NCT, like the concept when it was introduced, that you can't help but put NCT and Red Velvet together more so than anything else. Right.

Because NCT, if you think about it, NCT is technically a third gen group. I feel like we talk about them like a fourth gen group, but they're actually a third gen group that debuted fourth gen units.

Right.

So it's kind of weird because EXO, this is, okay, I can tell you exactly what happened. This is what happened. BTS popped off before EXO could really reach their potential, which caused SM to debut NCT because... Before NCT was ready, personally, in my personal opinion, and they debut NCT, then ESPA wasn't ready, then they debut ESPA, then NCT fell apart, so they debut Rise. And now you have to go ahead and debut a new girl group. Sorry, this is very logistical and technical, but it's true.

Up it's bts right they pop and they popped kind of later in their career yeah like if they debuted in 2013 yeah and they they took like because they didn't pop at the at the beginning like most groups do and then start to falter it's like well now they have to debut a lot of groups that sound like them or are exactly

Or can compete in age or something.

Right right right so yeah which is why you're getting which

Is why you get i feel like sorry to cut you off but i want to say this i feel like this is why you get straight kids despite the fact that got seven i feel like had a good thing but you get.

Straight kids

Because to me straight kids is more like bts than got seven is oh absolutely in terms of music so.

Absolutely fascinating absolutely yeah no it is okay so i think in my like why i went with second gen equals the third gen blah blah blah blah is that i do believe that both both generations are important and integral to k-pop as we know it right now i just think that their flaws and the things that i would that I'm not as happy about are about equal as well too.

And you don't

Have to be into k-pop to know that it's k-pop you know what i mean

And I think that's why I would say those two generations are like really integral to it.

Now, in terms of things that I didn't like about them, I think there was like that whole with third gen specifically, fandoms became insufferable. I'm sorry. Like, I feel like that whole segmented thing where, oh, I'm not into K-pop. I just like this group. That really kind of started in the third gen.

Just realize I was muted. I was saying yes.

Okay. Yeah, like, so I think that lack of access made it feel more like a community. Beep. Because, you know, like we're all sort of like begging for, you know, translations and shit, you know, like in the same sense. And like, oh, who's streaming this? And like, you know, it just felt like a lot more positive, you know, whereas now it's like everybody's just fighting all the time.

Like all the time. I mean, I wasn't around during that era.

Hush but yeah access to right so like you have more access to the idols and to what's going on with them like now like every day you can know what your idols are doing for you know it's crazy but like that is wow second in the second gen that was like unheard of you know what i mean like it was like oh you know they were in between comebacks and stuff like that like you'd hear a little bit about them but not like they would be hidden you know like they'd be hiding they'd

Oh, no. This is how you know that it's being taken for granted.

Yep before we had to wait for someone to take a fit a photo whitewash them in the photo

Whitewash and put their little watermark right there.

Right right that's crazy but okay

So was that was so was that your spiel or like why.

Yeah and yeah exactly so like in terms of just like the two generations i think they're just crazy important and i think that there's no i don't think that there's one that's better than the other in my opinion obviously like for me when it comes to music i personally personally i can only do this for myself guys i personally do listen to second gen a little bit more than i do third gen but like i would never but there's some people like outside of certain groups like

You know let me ask you now i have to ask you this question when you say this are you saying that you prefer groups that groups that debuted in the second gen or do you prefer music from the second gen regardless of if it was a first gen artist making music in that era.

I think i prefer music that was made in the second gen okay so

It's not just like okay so like it wouldn't be like you're not saying basically oh big bang is a second gen group but the music they're making now is like my favorite music you're saying that the music they made then was great music.

Yeah no i like i like big bang you know sunset glow haru haru like i like big bang in the second gen i like big bang when they made music in the third gen you know i i just like big bang but in terms of just like there are some groups that only made music in the second gen you know like they were only active in that era so i can only really like most of the super junior stuff that i like i do really like actually super junior

Twins is an awful song.

But like sorry sorry obviously is like the top song that and and i can't stop thinking about you girl love that song those two songs are like it for me but if you're talking about super junior now i like black suit which is like a post enlistment song you know i like was this burn the floor you know i i like i think i you know like there's a lot of songs that they dropped after enlistment that i listened to more so than some of the old stuff like their whole latin era latin pop era mamacita

So, like, I mean,

For me, a lot of that stuff is,

Like, it is,

That's another reason it's confusing. A lot of super second-gen groups were just as active in the second-gen as they were in the third-gen. So, like, that's, it's really easier, it's so much easier to, like, separate first and second-gen, because not a lot of first-gen groups were still making music in the second-gen. Like, Xinhua was one of them, you know? But in terms of second, in third-gen, so many groups were still active from the second-gen. Big Bang has been made in the third gen.

Well, see, I feel like that's a conversation we do need to have, too, about, like, is the fact that groups are no longer dying off kind of, like, killing the newer groups in K-pop? Because if you think about it, like, if SHINee is still active in fifth gen, how can, like, the Nugu-sters compete? You know what I mean? Like, it's just one of those things.

A really good thing that's a really good discussion because actually when i was thinking about this this tweet one of the things i did think about was the fact like okay but like a lot of second gen groups made bangers in the third gen actually some of them still are still making bangers right now like it's really hard to sort of separate the generations in that sense because it's not as confined you know like hlt was not making music in the second gen and right gen or if it was like

You're talking to somebody who feels like SHINee's best era was in the third gen. Like their best album, Odd, One of One, both came out in third gen. 2015, right?

Yeah, third gen.

Yeah, those are third gen albums. And like they were, they wanted their first day song in the third gen. So it's like, I feel like when you're having this conversation, that's why I asked you like, are you saying that the people who debuted in second gen, Or are you talking about that era of music in general, regardless of when they debut, for example? Obviously, second gen is different because there's not like first gen people making music in second gen like that.

Other than, okay.

Okay. I can't say that. It's kind of messed up. There's some of the groups have like straight kids has like one song where I'm like, Oh, that's, that's kind of cute. But funnily enough, it's like the song where it's not like all of them is in it. So maybe that has something to do with it. But like, I don't know, like I, you just don't have that.

We actually listened to it. I actually put it on Twitter too. I was like, you know, we have single-handedly listened to almost every single Stray Kids album.

We might be the only reason why they're getting checks.

We, like, I still have not found a single song from them that I'm like, that is a song that I wanted. Like, you know, at least ATEEZ has- Girl,

I haven't even found a song that I'm like, that just is a song. Like let alone something that i like.

No i do understand what you're saying because i think a lot of the worst parts of third gen is what we got in fourth gen absolutely interesting yeah because toxicity groups yes too much hip-hop noise whatever the fuck yes too much of a focus on visuals versus actual yes check check check check actually fifth gen seems to be reversing that trend because They saw these people on these encore stages getting embarrassed and they said,

No, not I, you. Not I. But you know what? The visuals thing, I think I said this before. I'm going to say it again because this is one of my hottest takes on the shows. I think the focus on visuals, and when I say visuals, I don't mean how good somebody looks. I mean like the visual aspect of K-pop. I think that is 100% BTS's fault.

Is that a hot take you got quiet

Oh no sorry i had to mute for a second no i i don't think it's a hot take i think it's i think the bts influence in the fourth gen is undeniable and i think once again that's why we had people in the fifth gen come up be like oh now if i can't sing and stand And still, that's going to be a problem.

If I sit here.

If I sit here and I can't, you know, my voice is wavering or shaky, ooh, that's going to be a problem. And so I think, you know, a lot of that really influences the fifth gen. And that's why you have Kiss of Life who can sing. You have, you know, the NCT Ways, you have Baby Monster. they're all like we our mics are always on

Yeah and we have at least one vocalist like fourth.

Gen wouldn't

Even have one vocalist in a whole group that you know what you know what they started doing they started doing the all-arounder we're all arounders they saw that they could do yes.

That is actually a big thing from that fourth gen was like oh yeah no we don't have people who are just good at one thing we have all rounders a jack of all trades is not excellent in any of them. Just throwing that out there, bro. Whoa, okay.

So I'm up in my soapbox though. That's my reasoning. I just completely despise the fourth gen except for TXT. And don't get me wrong, there are some groups I like, I just don't like their music. Like ATEEZ, I really, the members seem, and they're clearly talented i just feel like their music is not for me right so yeah that that's just my reasoning in a nutshell of why i put fifth gen over fourth gen you know.

I would agree with that actually i feel like for me though i do listen to a little bit more of the fourth gen like i like itsy i like ivy though i will say that sorry oh sorry no no honestly i feel like I've is always kind of seen as like a in-betweener like a yeah

It's true to me I feel like it's kind of seen as like a 3.5.

Or you know yeah so that which which then would probably push fifth gen over fourth gen for me so yeah because if I go by what I listen to and I listen to it see I listen to I've obviously you know they're like one of my favorite groups I do listen to baby monster now like I do like I do enjoy watching their performances so like if you're gonna go by what i actually listen to and we're counting them as like a cusp group then yeah i would probably put five over

Little bit more patience

A little bit more you know positivity you know i want to end that's why it's fun to have a discussion like this at the end of near the end of the episode because you know we can have you know like a little bit more fun you know a fun discussion and which doesn't happen often in k-pop because everybody's always so angry and mad and ready to bite people's heads off so just be nice just like what you like and yeah we're gonna move on to the featured yeah i'm gonna let jim in a describe and explain

Okay all right well that's uh awkward all right I never do this.

Oh, okay. You know what? I actually thought it was bus as well too. Like, I mean,

We both could be wrong,

Guys. Just don't have help here.

It could be bus.

Busay. It could be, I know. There's a lot of ways. I mean, you don't know how these things be pronounced, right?

All right. Bus is a 12-member Thai boy group under Sunray Music. The group currently consists of Alan, Mark, Kunpon, Hart, Jinook, Thai, Nex, Putachai, Kopa, E'e, Jung, or Jung? It might be Jung. And Pimwats. And it might be Pimwasu. I don't know because I'm not looking at the Thai translation. But all members are the final 12 members of the survival show 789 Survival. They debuted on December 6, 2023 with their song Because of You,

Actual, like size, you know, or starts, start to activate receptacles. I don't know.

It's really very K-pop of them. But yeah. Very K-pop of them. So one thing to note is that one of the members in this group actually is Korean.

Okay i have a question like not okay because like obviously if we're going by like idol industries in in you know east asia southeast asia whatever korea you know would probably be at the top and then like probably what japan after

That and.

Then like maybe thai mandopop kind of thing so is it like if you're a korean idol trainee who doesn't make in korea do you just go to these other markets is that a thing that happened is it like the b league you know like minor league in baseball and stuff like that is that how that is seen i don't know

So that is a thing that happens i don't it's not terribly common a lot of the tie idols actually become idols through like survival shows or like in an or or like they went to like a performing art school or even more weirdly common is like they are scouted because they're like in like a high school band and they get scouted like literally as like a band member in that band, another way that has been happening lately is you go act in a bl and then you become an idol, i mean that's.

What i would do i'm sorry if i was a dude coming up in like the industry right now i'm like oh get me a bl get me whatever bl you can find i will do it because that is you will have a fire way

Yeah that's like the easiest way to get a fan base but yeah so only one of the like I said like not in this group out of all 12 of them only one of them I believe was a former k-pop trainee but that is like I said that's something that does happen and another I guess fun fact is they're popping off on social media because they've been having like a couple of viral like trendy type of songs and they yeah I don't know what else to say so we can just

So and to have six songs yeah that's

Weird and i i thought they were relatively short sure actually now i think about it but for some reason i remember most of them being like around the two minute mark but probably not that's probably i probably misremembered that but we can get started and what we're going to do is what we usually do listen and then give our feedback on since this is really a new group give our feedback back on how they can improve or like what we liked and,

Think it's our first boy tie group maybe

Oh you know what I think we did MX group yeah.

I think we did too so okay

Let's do it all right because of you I shine music video let me turn the subtitles on who is bus that's what the newspapers say, also i guess it's important to know that they have okay i was gonna talk and then the song started.

I was not expecting that for some weird reason i don't

Know me either i was definitely expecting a stray kids original me too.

I was like oh so the beat didn't kick in

They didn't their english is lyrics are interesting i like their party.

City costumes there very

Cute yeah this is a really k-pop this song just like broke down like in the middle.

Yeah it's

Interesting that this is the concept when like the oldest member i believe was born in 2000 so he's like 24 you know what i mean like it's a little bit of a more youthful feel i feel like i'm like yelling over the song yeah.

No i had to turn it down because i i definitely felt like i was doing that in other ones i was like trying to speak over these k-pop news videos and i'm like yelling into the mic yeah oh a dance break what a random dance break but like he's not even they're not even like dancing like really it's like an interlude like a random interlude in the middle of the song that's a big ass group damn yeah oh not it being in between two rat banks that's kind of crazy

Yeah i'm not sure about that right but but that i've been to that place i like that that it's really pretty there it's a museum.

And then and then we got the ballad part why

Is his foundation so much lighter than his skin the other one too like he literally looked ashy.

It's like we're gonna be as white as possible but like brah you got to do the whole full body reverse tan you can't just put white powder on your face and expect it to be like right

Like this is my problem.

Too with like when idols go to like they're better now i think because they understand the getty will get them but they used to do the thing where like they would just do their face and not their neck and i'm like even in high school when i was just trying makeup like for the first time like i understood that you had to blend with your neck like that just makes sense right I think my issue with this group is that I keep seeing them in like these groups of three and four and two. And I just very

Confused about what's going on. So that's.

What I was

Going to say before the song like.

Oh, sorry.

Stared us when it started. So apparently they do a unit concept where they'll break the whole group of 12 into. There's a five piece called bus five. And then there's a seven piece called bus seven. So they I don't think they always get together all 12 of them. oh so is.

It like the

It's like psychic fever and j-pop okay.

I was gonna say that ak48 kind of group too where like you vote people into positions like that's what sakura was in before she transitioned to like k-pop okay interesting so like do the more popular groups get into like the smaller

Ones like i'm not listen i have no clue all i know is that i was so confused by this group because when i started researching them for this feature i saw bus seven and bus five and i started doing some research and it looks like they do like have these separate and then they come together but it's not like it's not like a rotational unit it's like a fixed five fixed seven all right next week oh i guess we should yeah next we should go to watch your step i'm

No no go ahead go ahead

Now i was like.

I don't think you can harmonize with auto-tune like like like you're not t-pain i don't know like if i'm gonna hear people go

Oh i.

Want to hear your voices i don't want to hear like that electronic robotic like i I just, it's weird.

Well, it's important

To know that like at this point that this song came out, they hadn't popped off. So I wonder what was the change in the later songs. But so far this song sounds kind of similar to the first one. Like the vibe is very much the same.

Yeah, I mean, they're really positive, you know, happy-ish songs from what I can tell.

Right. This is so Stray Kids coded. I'm so mad.

Yeah but the mb would be a lot harder than this like yeah like the minesweeper love that game but yeah it

Would be a

Lot darker darker i was about to say yeah why is he.

Singing in korean yeah

That's so weird. That's so weird. I'm sorry. That is very strange to me.

I'm very confused about a lot of things going on. I mean, the video is cute. Like, I kind of like, I feel though that like, they had a dartboard and they were just throwing darts and whatever the dart hit is what they put in the music video.

Yeah.

Because none of this is making sense.

At all. And so far, I feel like we haven't really seen their choreography. You know what I mean? No. like.

I was gonna say do they like they're sort of dancing but not

Really not really like.

It's it's like a two-step that's what i feel like it is

Yeah like.

Or something that they can probably put in a tiktok challenge

Yeah you know i also do not understand what the song is about.

I gave up

So it's just like.

Uh what's going on also too it was just too confusing like trying to read the lyrics and trying to figure out what's going on in the music

Video yeah in a way it's kind of nostalgic for k-pop i'm.

Starting to realize now why they don't have actual dancing

Why they're.

Not good at it they're just not good at it like at least in k-pop you got one good dancer you know what i mean like this one guy i feel is like the singer the only singer that i know so far in this group that i can kind of like like his voice is recognizable at least

Yeah i'm trying to see how many pairs do veneers come in pairs well how many pairs of veneers i see, i do not get how this group popped off like i might listen to these songs i'm like it's not like the songs are not unbearable but they're not like great you.

Know i will say

At least they're like.

Not crazy short like their actual

I think they're playing around with the camera they're they give short man energy i don't know maybe we should maybe i should go look at the heights and the k profiles but it's giving short man like the ang the angle is i don't know dead giveaway but all right up next we have no matter what which is actually bus five so it's not all of them okay.

So this is like their singing song maybe

Maybe let's see i'm curious well so far Why is it auto-tuned? It would probably sound better without the auto-tune.

Absolutely. I knew it was a ballad.

This band is very Thai. The Thais love a nice guitar, bass line. When I tell you there's not a single girl that looks like that in Thailand, and I can actually say that, okay? There's not a single girl that looks like her in Thailand. Girl, it's giving. Step up. You got served the ballad.

Yes. You know what it is like it's like that chris brown song say never say goodbye or some say goodbye well there's

Never a right time to say goodbye.

Yes yeah because it was like a ballady song but it was like during like his dance rehearsal some so yeah i'm pretty sure i

Don't remember but maybe sounds about right i can't help but feel like if this song didn't have autotune over the vocals it would be a little better yeah.

I have to wonder like can they not sing is that what that's

Just my opinion though.

Yeah it's like no i agree it's actually kind of boring too like i feel like i do now think it like these group these you know i guess sectional groups are more based

On like popularity okay.

Rather than like actual like what they can do okay you know vocally because nothing in the song is making me think that this man's a singer

It's a bit like run-of-the-mill like i've heard like a million thai songs that sound like this.

Yeah but sound better like i've heard like so many like really good solid thai songs from singers who like this guy's so monotone like yeah no emotion and it sucks because i really like the instrumental yeah this is a cute little scene yeah it's a little hard for this all

I know but it's just cute that they got like a little couple dance because it's that okay well the rap was definitely unnecessary but it's something that you wouldn't see in k-pop in that same vein though like a boy group yeah dancing with a girl.

Yes do

We do we need this of course oh straight kids, k-pop look at your sins, He looks like somebody that I'm familiar with. I can't put my finger on who, though. I will say there is a crop top epidemic in Thailand. Like, literally everybody's always wearing crop tops. I guess because it's hot.

But that's one thing I'm really happy about. Like, I'm not a teenager in this era. Because, yeah, crop tops are all over the place.

I'm not.

I mean, I'm not saying, like, I couldn't have worn one. I just, why would I be wearing a crop top every day?

Like i mean i do wear crop tops a lot but i feel like at the same time there's more there's more styles than crop tops and bag jeans you know what i mean like everybody's always wearing crop tops and bag jeans i'm like okay we get it yeah we get it you're trendy i'm.

Okay i'm sorry

Now we're going into the song that popped off well hold on it looks like there's way more what what could there possibly be left to say girl ain't no way all right now we're going to the song that popped them off which is brother zone and it's with the seven the other seven members so this song actually went viral on ty tick tock let's see why so.

Oh so the song we just listened to was just seven group members and this is the other seven members

No so the song we just this two was five and this is the other seven because there's 12 okay.

Okay okay i see what you mean yes

He looks like chai nu that's kind of weird also this is like japan this doesn't even look like thailand chai.

Nu is like definitely a face that everybody wants to have oh yeah it's like jju for sm sm like they all they wanted to replicate that face in every group

They somehow Like succeeded with NCT But like failed with Rise Very weird Like he looked like Tyler New Little Brother to me, anyways okay it's.

Taking so long to start

Yeah i'm about to say.

Like i mean we're getting a story and not just random stuff

Happening right hey sister i'm so dead i know what he's trying to say but it doesn't translate well in english.

It really doesn't oh black girl

Yes i'm.

One of those people

Oh wait man i'm just playing i am trying to figure out better the salary sound better than the other songs oh yeah, yeah for sure but i feel like they're clearly in japan right or am i tripping yeah it looks like, sorry just the part that we're viral so really yes i.

Love that it's like an old-timey diner but like old-timey american diner

I know which honestly is kind of on brand for japan so like right right.

Yeah it does look like japan

Hey shawty.

Oh oh we're back in the third gen y'all back in the second gen

I can just straight up oh shawty i thought you said shawty you would drink not too long ago we should we should shawty is like timeless classic you know it's.

Like i know people have a lot to say about the black eyed peas but if i got a feeling comes on everybody's singing along and dancing to that song so like you know there are certain things from the past that just are timeless yeah

Shoddy one of them for sure.

Okay, cry less realistically.

Like, girl. They put water on that man's face.

Not him thinking the shirt's gonna block him.

But he...

Why did they do that? Because she couldn't see below the counter to see him. So they didn't need to put the jacket over him.

Also, it feels...

No.

What'd he say?

He said, turn up the beast so we can get higher. Turn up the beast and I'll make it wilder. but it's the way he said it i was like oh does he think he sounds sexy especially.

When this mv's given kind of given boy love with that bicycle ride

See i feel like it's giving like pathetic like like you know what i mean like even the lyrics is like you know what i mean it's he's like thirsting after this girl and has a crush but she's like no because the song is literally called brother zone right oh.

Like boy oh like friend zone

Right so she's like so if you even the title she's basically saying you're like a little brother i'm sorry.

I'm crying in the shower this is giving boy love like that's what it's given

Why is his crying so fake though that's what it's.

Like he didn't get with the girl so now he's with the guy

Now i think sometimes you see stuff that's not there but maybe maybe i'm just playing oh.

Why is he we talked earlier about naruto and sasuke wait

Girl why is she on crutches i feel like i missed something okay i'm gonna be honest with you this music video was kind of iconic to me it's very funny it was very funny.

Okay, so is it that he's saying, like, oh, she didn't get with me and now she's on crutches? Is that the correlation?

What? I'm so confused.

I'm so confused.

Because he did, like.

Emphasize her shoes, right? Were they, like, uncomfortable? Is that why she's on the crutches?

Okay, one of them is really tall. And that's kind of, like, attractive. But maybe. I'm so confused no she broke her leg remember i mean she broke her ankle she twisted it or something okay well that one's brother zone now we have liar this is another this song just came out like a couple weeks ago and this is the performance video because i was like well we need to see them dance so we don't have no lyrics that's maybe that's for the best performance video.

Well it depends on how

The dancing goes okay i like how

Okay it's kind of giving exo a little in the vibe yeah see guys.

Follow exo don't follow nct not nct

I mean it.

Depends on what era of nct you're talking about i am like really liking the instrumentals for all of these songs kind of and like the singing comes in and i'm just like oh i don't know about that

Yeah and then the rapping hits and it's even worse you know the instrumental is like i think this instrumental is really good yeah.

I think it's the best one yeah absolutely

This but i said last.

Song was the best song that they came out with this is the best song they

Came out with so far yeah i.

Don't know if they need to like go back to the drawing board with the vocals or if this is like the best they can do.

I think this might...

A reality show.

Yeah, but one thing about a Thai survival show, visuals is going to beat vocals every time. If you look like a K-pop boy, that's already like you halfway there.

Okay, because like, I think another problem is that like, they're all really soft kind of singers. And so they get drowned out by the instrumental every single time. So it's also the mixing that's lacking here.

Wait, this instrumental goes really hard, though. Like, this is a really good instrumental.

Honestly, I would just listen to the instrumental. I don't need anything else from the song, to be quite honest.

If EXO covered this, which is a crazy thing to say, but if they did, this would be on the playlist.

Like, I can barely hear them. Meanwhile, Baekhyun would be like, you know, like, come on, guys. And then we would have Kai and, you know, whoever dancing. probably disguise disguise yeah disguise okay

Yeah, their vocals are really soft.

Yeah. And I don't think they're dancers. I think they were probably literally just picked because I can't imagine. Like, talent is not hurting for vocal talent, okay? I can say that as somebody who likes a lot of T-pop, there are some really good singers in T-pop. Even better than K-pop. I'm not even exaggerating. But these 12, I don't see it vocally.

Like

I see why they go viral because they have like funny moments they have like catchy moments and stuff and their instrumentals sound great but like i don't think they can they're not giving.

Both right no

All right lastly we have transformer see.

If they get better we're talking about exo and exo has a song called transformer do they i think they did it in like collaboration with like star wars or some shit like that and they had like that lightsaber dance thingy sugar

You will pay for your crimes you can't tell me this don't sound like sugar and j-hope and them okay i.

Just kind of like that flow not gonna lie

That flow was kind of nice.

Right oh my god this is the nct song

This is so nct moment the last song was like they're dark like they really speed ran that didn't they they went from like boy next door to this so quick.

Usually they saw what the girls were wanting they saw what the girls were talking about on tiktok and they said okay sexy it is honestly it's also very interesting that they literally went from like boys next door like the k-pop group that uh zico has to like eight to stray kids then we did had like a bit of exo ish like or you know could be exo but yes sir yeah and now we're in like the nct

Era that's crazy they said which is which k-pop group is our inspiration don't you every k-pop group is our inspiration.

Every single one we like them all But it's actually interesting that when they, it's when they get to the NCT slash BTS eras when the rap gets better.

Yeah, that is crazy. I'm going to be honest with you. This is how you know I'm a simple person. If NCT Wish came out with this, I might actually bump it a little bit. But not every part, just like certain parts. Yeah.

I mean, some of it sonically does sound good. I'm not going to be a hater.

I am a hater. Aespa! Aespa, come get your money!

Yep.

I mean, yep. They're going to be talking about Novice next. Actually, Novice should be debuting this year.

I thought Novice already debuted.

No, not officially.

She was supposed

To have that.

Performance at that place. I think it was a South by Southwest.

Hold on, one. his coins sorry i'm mad this is too ncd coded like it's scary and it's.

An entity slash xl bridge for sure and this is this is second coded for sure

If you don't leave second alone never.

Don't mind about a thing

Oh man are we back in the dubstep edm era like is that what the world is.

Coming to I don't know It's, it's, there's a lot going on in the song.

And once again, I have to ask when they were recording this song, did they at all second guess? Like, did they talk to the songwriters and be like, maybe not?

You know, I feel like maybe we should make some changes. Oh, what do you mean? Like the song,

Just the whole thing. Okay. So bus, we just got done listening to bus. And to be honest with you, I can kind of see what the last, well. Not necessarily transformer but with brother zone and liar i can see why they became viral like those songs are really catchy in terms of the the.

No, I completely agree with you. I actually enjoyed the instrumentals, melodies, all the songs for like all the backgrounds for every single song. Like every single song actually was kind of interesting. I just think that the songs themselves are not as engaging, mostly because the rap was weak and the vocals are weak. I think that they definitely need to go back into a studio somewhere and get them some help because it's not it's not even like they sound bad.

You're trying to portray

They weren't giving any of.

That like at all it's like someone gave me a song and i'm just like and like no no no like there are a lot of people who are not strong singers who are not like very loud singers who can who do so much with their voice you know Janet Jackson great example guys Janet is not like a huge powerhouse vocally but she sings and she sings really well in terms of just like whisper singing on the like in Asia like so you from Sistar queen of whisper singing but you felt the emotion

Yeah, it's definitely something.

That they could...

Yeah, there's a lot of potential here.

I would not say that they're like, like, oh, they're awful. Like, you know, can't disband the group because they can't sing. Like, I'm not saying that at all, guys. I just think that they need to have people there who are going to explain, you know, how to be singers and how to be dancers and how to be rappers. Put a little personality. You don't have to be a great rapper. Peniel from BTOB literally rapped the words always on my mind. And she's always on my mind 24 seven.

You know what I mean? Like, look at Lisa. Come on now. Y'all the queen of Thailand. Like just call her. I mean, she, listen, it's not going to be much better. Say what you want about Lisa.

Lisa knows, like she put her on a stage with a mic. it could be the abcs and she's gonna give you something different she's going to

Give you black cent every time but she's she's going you know she's gonna try to make it stand out right.

At least at the very least so i just think that you know we definitely need these like i definitely hope that they have somebody on their team or who sees the potential and it's just like yeah let's let's work on

It guys y'all need to.

Get out of

Tiktok liking videos of aespa and and all because i'll be seeing y'all little tiktoks y'all be liking all these k-pop people videos and the quiet and the killing part y'all not even liking meaning how you gonna be on tiktok liking giselle be serious you're not a serious person okay.

I mean you know

I'm talking about liking the point is is they're liking videos of people who don't have who were not the Yeah. Like you're, you're liking videos of people who are not the best in their group.

And you know what?

Giselle could out-sing these people. So that says a lot, okay? Because I personally love Giselle's singing voice. She doesn't do it often, but I do actually really like Giselle's singing voice. So she's not a powerhouse that we can tell. Obviously, she doesn't have the chance to do that since she's the main rapper. But she definitely sounds like she's...

It's the point. It's like Chanyeol, right? People who shouldn't be rapping for 1200.

Alex.

Yeah chaniel is like honestly if there was someone in k-pop who was more underrated and yet overrated at the same time it would be chaniel he's overrated as a he's overrated as a rapper oh yeah because he is literally their main rapper but he's underrated for everything else i

Feel like i feel like i don't know why sm did that because does that because they did that with shiny too like there's no reason why key should be rapping he's not like a powerhouse but he's like he carries some of shiny's like oh.

Absolutely that man will sing a song down so like it's really crazy but it would channel i think it's because he

Has a deep voice.

So they were like yeah yeah yeah yeah but yeah i know it's it's crazy but anyways yes so bus we you know we are hoping that you guys get the help support that you need and that you know you improve your talents so that you can definitely give us some bangers because you know for me yeah hey if you give me bangers i don't really care where you're from so go talk

To the girls at mx fruit because they can sing oh absolutely.

They can sing all

Right so underrated.

But anyways yes that's it for us guys we hope you like this episode i said see it's funny i said bite size and it's like three hours right almost three hours oh my god we're under the three hour mark but i have to cut

Oh there was stuff that had to get cut out right.

That's true.

So we are actually.

This actually is a shorter episode than Norfolk. It is.

See?

Or, what am I doing? What was I doing? Sorry, guys. It's a Friday. It's a long day. I kind of feel like...

How does that get out?

Yeah, but also, too, like, as soon as we finish this episode, something's going to happen.

I feel like there's going to be a story that breaks.

But anyways, yes, that's it from us, guys. Thank you for your time. Thank you for your support. Sorry to keep you waiting, but we do have lives, you know, allegedly. so if you want to

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You say that wrong every time. I'm starting to think it's a meme.

I know.

I'm like you're doing it on purpose.

You know what maybe i am maybe i am i actually like there is there's this meme like very shortly it's not a meme meme but like it's it's this thing about like i don't you've never watched bleach before right but the new two main characters are like rukia and ichigo and but she's from like the ghost world or whatever so there's this thing there's this the spanner or whatever it was like i love the idea of rukia being like a little shit and like purposely mixing up like

Okay because i want to say that there's a video that's going around that's viral that posted and it's a marching band I want to say in like the Philippines or something like that and it's a marching band and they're doing like HBCU style marches and they they said you gotta you have 24 hours to respond and I just I'm sorry it's so funny it's so funny because it's like girl no HBCUs are like the marching bands of the world okay like.

The best

Marching bands in the whole world HBCUs do not have to respond to that trash pathetic marching okay with that being said shout out to Jackson State University Sonic Boom of the South is one of the best marching bands I've ever seen shout out to their drum major line because, ever since drumline did you ever watch drumline.

Years and years and years ago. I know it was really popular in Korea. Because they had that March of Man era. Korea? Yeah, they loved Drumline. Like, after school had a whole, like, concept based on the March of Man thing.

That's so funny. Well, Drumline and You Guys Serve were.

Like, pretty popular in Korea.

I do love You Guys Serve. You know what? I will say Drumline, we can't stand it candid, but it is a hood classic, okay?

Do not all right yeah we don't have i mean we do have like I guess, ethnicity-based and religious-based school boards and stuff. Because I'm pretty sure we had... Oh, we did have an African... No, it's not African-American. But we did have a Black Canadian school. I don't know if it actually ever came off the ground or if it's still active or something like that. But there was one that they were trying to make. But this was after I graduated, so I just didn't care that much about it.

Are kind of the

That's a shame with Canada history well probably because you know now I thought I'd think about it is yeah probably didn't have don't have a lot of stuff like that because if you think about why HBCU started I don't know if Canada has that same history so that could be.

Why no we don't first like slavery was a very like it was still I think it was like 100 years or something like that here and it was like very small base like it wasn't like a huge driver of the economy and you know all the way all the other things and that's why it didn't last long here because like most can it only expanded you know the way that it did just to prevent america from like taking that's true like we our history is very different i think like our in

Let me make sure y'all know Nat is not white. She did not mean it in that way. She made a mistake.

Also, guys, it's Friday and it's just been a long day and I'm very tired. Sorry. I'm sorry. No, no, no. This is a fun discussion. I'm going to be very happy when it's time to go because it's a long weekend, guys. It's Thanksgiving weekend here in Canada. So it's a long weekend for us and I'm very excited. I'm going to sleep a lot.

My hear me out Aaron is my hear me out.

Honestly it was actually a like a running joke between me and Ashley Mack because I was always like the Yeagerist I'm not saying that Aaron everything Aaron did was good but I do love me some Aaron I'm sorry guys I just you know that's that's my fatal flaw I love Aaron Yeager so but shout out to Oda no actually no shout out to Oda shout outs to one piece the property oda not so much he'd be supporting some people i don't agree with yeah i

Think luffy is like such a whimsical character like i just.

Love him he's so funny

So shout outs to luffy.

The latest thing that really has really made me laugh on with luffy is when people call on the snail recorders and he picks up and he doesn't even say hi he's just like I'm gonna be king of the pirates why are you like this why shout out

To Mario too he cute to who sorry he's just so squishy shout out to Mudang how did I forget about Mudang I don't.

Know

Oh, shout outs to Heaven's Official Blessings.

I'm reading it for the first time and I'm really liking it.

You should watch the first season of the anime.

I did. I did. And because Netflix had it for like the longest time, just the first season. I think there's a second one. No, but I'm actually reading it for the first time. And it's so good. So, oh, you know what? Malzang, I think that's how you pronounce. I don't know how you pronounce this girl's name. Malzang.

I just call her MXTX.

Amx to max shout out to you because you ain't never a bad thing before in your life girl

Like she is.

Literally the goat absolutely you can make me laugh cry and blush in like two chapters i don't know you're powerful you're powerful use the power for good that's why the government

Trying to shut her down shoot they know her power shoot.

If i if you need some money in your books call

Me her books she's not in jail.

I don't know you said think of herself to get her though That is true,

They are trying to put her in jail But yes.

Okay And shout out to the second, third And the fourth And the fifth gen You could have stopped at the third But yes, we're gonna go guys Treat yourselves well Treat each other well We will see you later