The Clutter Family Murders

In nineteen fifty eight, a writer by the name of Truman Capote heard of him had the idea to write what he called the first non fiction novel, in which he wanted to take on a real life event and turn it into a story. He just couldn't find the right subjects. That was until one day when he opened the newspaper in nineteen fifty nine and saw in the New York Times that a farmer and his entire family from Kansas had been murdered in their home with no suspects.

In Cold Blood, I love this book so much.

Well, today we're talking about this story behind the book, the Clutter family murders.

Oh wow, Hey, can I start this today's episode with the cheers?

I'm too far away back to do. Let's do this ready, two?

Three cheers.

Welcome to another crime podcast.

I'm Georgia Love I'm Shemmy Peterson.

I'm a journalist.

I am not.

And if you just want to hear the story about the Clutter family murders today, you can skip ahead through our banter or past our banter. The time coat is in the show notes. But thank you so much. I've been doing it for you now. Yeah, and I have missed some episodes, but you have not. You've been on every episode, every episode. No, we did one in Adelaide.

Oh that's true.

I've spoken about himough because you're obsessed with her.

But he was on FaceTime the whole time.

That's true.

He's having a drink of water really loudly in the background.

Saving Peterson. Do you notice anything different about me today?

Yes?

I do.

You aren't wearing shoes. Who are you to mintionin? You're wearing a beautiful miss Piggy T shirt today.

So, dear listeners, if you were listening, I should say when you were listening to our one year anniversary episode with special guests Oliver Clark and Myth Warhurst, you would have heard me say I had ordered a special T shirt to wear on that episode, because it cast your mind's back to when we had Myth Warhurst on her first Thursday episode, we was being about Miss Goddamn Piggy and MIF said she was her icon growing up and

It's so good.

I'm showing the camera for YouTube.

It's just and she actually.

Her name is Kitty. She made her money being pretty and witty. That's right, such a oh, it's her name is Piggy. She made her money pretty and weirdy.

That's from.

And I love this T shirt so much And I just wore it to work today and people asked me what it was for and I was like, I don't understand the question that I'm wearing today.

Well, I've got a beautiful Miss Piggy T shirt coming as well.

Don't tell me way down, kay.

It's gonna be good to tell you that March is going to be very good.

Do we just each order ourselves speak a T shirt with discussing it.

I saw it a few weeks ago when I disordered it. But it's coming from the United States.

Of a marriage you're going to start America.

So it's it's coming, but it's going to be a little bit late. But as soon as as soon as it arrives, I'll be wearing my Piggy T shirt as well.

Sammy, let's stop talking about this because something much more important needs to be spoken about your comedy special. Why the long phase?

Yes, is out for everyone to what it's out. There's a link there. So I had a real disappointing day the first day that it came out. Sadly it was posted without an ending. It cut.

I think it's Famously Stories, So your comedy special is a story. It's not just a series of jokes. Famously stories don't need the last twenty minutes to make sense. So I don't know what you're upset for.

Yeah, well, so my story builds up to a point and it cuts me off mid sentence like it was an episode of the Sopranos. The final episode Sopranos and so.

And not even just like the last moment, like twenty minutes.

Yeah, like it cut twenty minutes out, and so the comedy club who uploaded all, oh my god, I'm so sorry, and it was the last twenty minutes. So five over five thousand people watch it without the ending, and so they just think that I probably just had a special that just ended.

Sammy, Can I say to you? And I was actually talking to my friend about this today when I told her what had happened, and she said the same thing that I said to you. And I feel overwhelmingly you had five thousand people watch your comedy special on the very first night it was released. I know that was a shitty night because it went wrong and that ending

It's amazing. But they did not happen of you. So I'm going to go to every this is my plane, Okay, yeah, I'm going to go to all of the people's houses. Good idea that's watched that episode? Yes, well that it's kind of an episode I watched, Yeah, first part of it. Watch the first part of special. Yes, and I'm going to perform from the moment it comes off to the end.

Oh my god, that's a great idea.

So five thousand. So how many is that?

If I it's no.

No, But if I do for the next year, yep, how many? G love, I know you're very good at math, Yes I am. How many would I have to do a day?

I think three three a day yep to make five thousand out of three hundred and sixty five.

And you're confident about that because it's not a leap yeer.

So there are three hundred and sixty five days, okay.

The three hundred and fIF sixty five days times three is thousand. Okay, great, I'm not going to check.

But that's not that much because twenty minutes times three is obviously an hour I'm not stupid. One hour a day for four years, yeah, So not the calendar year for the next three hundred and sixty five days.

Yes, And it just depends where you're living as well. So I'll have to account travel and everything into that, but I will do it. And so if this is my this is my message to you if you watch that, yes, and you didn't see the last twenty minutes, email me your address, no, just email me.

Yes, oh okay, and then you'll find the address.

I'll find you.

Because you're not a journal, must be your hack.

And I will find you. I know your IP address. I will find you. It was the last thing I do, and I will do twenty minutes of comedy at you from the moment it stopped, and I'll get really.

And you'll you'll know exactly stuff. You'll pick up your centered.

And that that's so well honed as well to it.

And the thing is because that was just this week that that happened. So for the people who get their last three performances on the three hundred and sixty fifth day, yes, that'll remember where it left.

Oh absolutely that yeah, you remember that stuff. So yeah. So my comedy special is out now. I have put it on my social media, so if you want to find it special media. Yep, what is It's at Sammy Peterson not offficial.

Have I told you that? When you first changed your handle to that, I thought it was Sammy Peterson Official and I was like, oh my god, good for your big dog you've got some confidence about you. Oh unofficial?

Yeah no, no, no, you've.

Changed, man, but I kind of like it.

Yeah, yeah, no, I've got a I just thought Sam Peter's not official was fun, but then most people who write it right official.

So because everyone knows you have got damn boss lady.

Yea, I'm a boss lady. I'm absolute boss lady.

Hey talking about boss ladies? Well, hang on, first of all, have to say that huge congratulations. I'm really prayank you so much. I'm talking about boss ladies. Do you know how good friend sticker is by Claws? Yes, I love one of our beautiful listeners who had sent us in stickers before. Well, there is a little envelopeia that says to Sammy and g love, maybe.

Cover up the address on YouTube. Oh yeah, yes, yes, it's by Claude.

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That's fine?

Blur And it actually says on the back form of stickers by court should I read out her? Okay, So we're going to do a live unboxing, which will be funny if it's just like a I know, like a love letter. Actually that would be great. I can see cats, I can see carts. Never jokes. Okay, Oh my god, Oh my god, wait god, all right, there's a little handwritten note in it as well.

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Skipped the band, you wouldn't. All right, I'm gonna oh my god, I'm going to read the note first. Dear Sammy and Georgia, you guys are the beds. Still loving your podcast obviously, and I also agree with your many other listeners that the long episodes are great and definitely worth it. I've recently released a couple of news sticker sheet designs and I thought you both would like to share them. Thanks again for always providing the best stories of forever love your pod and happy one year.

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P has never stopped the musical references. Gee, I love them, and I never say no to a chance to sing along with you. Lots of love, Claudia. Okay, which one shall I go with today? Give me a musical? Please? Oh no, I'll give it. I saw Cats.

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That's good.

Oh my god. Can we have beautiful stickers? And there's dog ones as well. Okay, so I'm going to show the YouTube. This is the sticker sheet of cats. This one as long as a bumblebee, like there's one catistic bumble bee. That one looks like poetry. And this one is hilarious because it doesn't have a neck and it's just.

Like, oh, saw, do you make the best stickers?

And this is the dog ones And there's not really a dibber on there, but there's a dalmation and can you please tell everyone the story about.

So there's a there's a dalmation on my street the other day that didn't have a collar on. We named him Spot and I was like that of Crouella. And we're walking walking home and the dog was playing with digs. Little puppy Dalmatian walked all the way home with us and then came in the gate and was playing with digs in here, and then the owner called out to it.

Damn it.

You thought I thought you were getting getting.

It brother that he's always wanted.

Well, now you can have a picture of the baby brother Spot. There's also a picture of a Cortigra a Corgy on there and they are famously that's the dog I want to get if I ever get a dog, and I want to name her Chappelle Corgy.

That's good. I love that. I love that.

I really need to do it yet because I'm not wearing shoes. You think my foot is very.

But we are going to be doing an episode today that we did on a book called He Read, She.

Read a podcast called God but.

We wed, I'll go but went into a book, dove into a book called in Cold Blood. It was really good and we might be book talk stars is that a thing. There's an ex bachelor that is a book talk star.

Yes, he's currently on the Australian season of.

Okay. He became a book talk star, and maybe that's what we need to do because now he's got a podcast.

We already have a book, I know.

But if we go big on book talk, we can get another book, another podcast.

I don't have time for another podcast.

No, you're right, we don't have time.

But we could get sent free books.

Yes, how good would that be?

Well, maybe I should leave the address up on the YouTube and people can send us books.

Okay, address up.

Books.

But we did go on that podcast and it was fantastic.

Yeah.

So it's with two Australian authors named Jp Pomery and Sarah Bailey. They both written thriller books and lots of them, and numerous that I have read before before we were asked to go the last few years. They're both fantastic. JP wasn't there, so she invited us on his guests because we're famous book talk stars.

Oh that's right, we are famous book talk stars.

And we spoke about the book in cold Blood. Now, I've said on the podcast many times before. I think even just in the very last episode with John Ronson on Thursday that this was this was always my favorite book until I read Boy Swallows Universe by it is a very close second. Now. I love obviously the true crime element of it, but the fact that it is, like I said in the intro, is kind of talented as the first non fiction novel. So it is a

Book, but it's not.

And we will talk a bit about that part of it and the Truman Compote part in this episode, but it's a true crime podcast, so we're mostly talking about the crime itself. If you want to hear Sammy and I go on a deep dive into our thoughts about the book and more about Truman Compodi himself and what we think about how he wrote that, please listen to our episode.

If he read she read it simply mast.

And do you know much about the crime. I mean, obviously you've read the book as well, but a lot of people talk about the book and not actually the clut of Family murder, where it became one of the most famous murders of all time because of the book. So do you know a lot of details about it?

Not really other than what's in the book. I mean, but I kind of got I guess I got a little bit sidetracked by Tim and Capodi.

And it's a lot about ye, the town and characters and stuff as well, not just the crime.

Yes, and then the killers as well.

Yeah, is there anything else you'd like to talk about before we delve into the Clutter family mood?

Well, you're away this weekend, so I'm going to watch Heated Rivalry?

Are you really I'm going.

To watch it?

It's really funny that you said because I'm away, Like, because you know, if I was here and I.

Knew you were watching shouting at the I'm a part of I imagine you're like, it's like people watching sports with people, like you're.

Going to be shouting at the TV. Yes, And you're going to a music fest all I always wanted to go to called festival.

So it's actually food and wine festival that has musical acts there as well. Jess melboy in the Spoon British radio Greenspoon. I'm going to Grimspoon tomorrow. Yeah, and three small time comedians you might have heard Of will also be performing there tomorrow named Luke McGregor, Nick Cody, and Claire Hooper.

That's a great line up. It's going to be fun.

It's a really fun week.

When you're there, I'm going to be watching Heated Rivalry.

You know what I mean this with all sincerity. I'm jealous of that.

We'm jealous. If you're going to fest of All.

Hey, come to FESTIVALI you.

Should have asked a few weeks ago.

To be able to watch Heated Rivalry for the first time again. Yeah, something I'll never be able to do in off It is just it is the best show ever written. I cannot stop thinking about it. Deeply in love with Hudson Williams.

Which one is that one? We'll find out. Don't worry about it. We'll find out how you want.

Because it's the name of the actor. But we can talk about it after. There's gonna be so much to talk about on week's episode.

Let's do this week's episode, then.

Kay Leo's do. The Clutter family lived in Holcombe, Kansas.

I know this.

You can't say that after every sing.

Okay.

The father, Herbert Clutter, was born in nineteen eleven and his whole life was farming. He was an agricultural agent for the county, and he went around teaching farmers as well as owning his own farm himself and sorry and his father had done that as well, So he was a farmer from way back. He started his own Herbs started his own farm in the nineteen forties named River Valley Farm, also in Holcombe, Kansas. He was absolutely beloved in the community, labeled and I feel like you'll be

He was wholesome? Yeah, and lovely and beautiful.

Sault of the Earth, asault of the Earth's successful and stood up for the little guy like he wasn't just for himself and his family. His farmer, big farmer. That's clever, I right.

That big farmer.

Yeah, I like that's very clever. But big farmer famously doesn't stick up to the little guy.

I disagree. If you'd like to sponsor us big farmer, very aroviser, yeah, I don't think we should ask whatever.

Yeah, okay, small thing. So Herb's farm was thriving, but he also then fiercely advocated for smaller farms as well. He was the president of the National Association of Wheat Growers.

He's a big farmer, He's a big, big farm.

His whole family was very much the picture of the nineteen fifties perfect American family. Yeah, I was about to say, you got it, but I did tell you he's gonna be a long episode freaking like this. Here's a real vibe in here today. I like it. It's fun. I'm having fun it because I've got my shoes off and a pig. Tim mentioned, are we singing? Tim mentioned some quickly at the end. Ah, okay, I'll rush.

Through a treat to the end, get through carrot, danglars carrot.

So President Eisenhower actually appointed herb Clutter to the Federal Farm Credit Board in nineteen fifty three.

When you thought a farmer couldn't get bigger, a bigger farmer farmer.

He was active in politics, both local and national. In contrast, however, his wife Bonnie was very introverted. Yes she was salt of the earth and lovely as well, but she wasn't this inner out about in politics. The president knows him.

The life of the show girl.

No, no, no, no more. A kermit than a miss Piggy. I'd say she had severe depression and anxiety. Oh that's sorry, Kermit. Maybe more an Eel.

Yeah, memor El, the other famous Muppet. Yes, famous Moppet. Oh yeah, all right, we'll take a quick break.

I just really wasn't expected to say that was quite funny. I just did a spit take.

But it's not your Yeah, it's disgusting. That's the probably the worst thing has ever happened in the book.

She wears a pink T shirt or I think I can do this. Please don't make a clip of that.

No, I won't make a clip of that because my face gone, Oh.

Oh my god, that's disgusting. Oh my god. Okay, I can't. We're talking about put Bonnie clot depression and can't. All right, So, Bondie Clutter had actually been hospitalized several times for months a time with depression and anxiety. She also had nervous muscle spasms. She slept a lot, but she was really determined to get better and to be well and present for her family. When she was feeling good and more active in the community. She was an active member of

Heartbreaking.

Herb and Bonnie had four children. They had two older daughters, Evianna and Beverly, who were adults at the time and living out of the home. Yes, and at the time of the incident we are discussing, they had a sixteen year old daughter, Nancy, and fifteen year old son Kenyan, who were living at home with them.

It's such interesting name.

You never heard Kenyan again, like before or since. If we have any listeners called Kenyon, please write in. I didn't think we'd have a listener called Board. I love born, so they now I won't really bring I'll mention Evianna and Beverly again at the end, but they don't come up through the story. They weren't living at home at the time, so.

They weren't really involved in the book, were they.

No, And that's okay, Well, yeah, yeah, That's what I'll talk about at the end, the fact that they weren't involved. So when I'm talking about the family and their clutter family and the whole family, I am just talking about Nancy, Kenyon, Bonnie and Herb. I'm not discounting Evianna and Beverly. They weren't involved in the place, and they were. Nancy and Kenyon were the classic all American teens of the nineteen fifties. Like Picture Greece the Musical, they were younger kids. Sorry,

Yeah, it's just interesting that he knew that from working on the farm. It just seems like an interesting bit of information, doesn't it.

I will will very much get into that. Yeah, Okay, not ten thousand dollars in nineteen forty. This would be worth between three hundred and four hundred and fifty thousand dollars today. Okay, So that's.

All so much money just keeping you safe.

Yes, So as Floyd was talking about this, Dick thought, well, I have less time on my sentence than Floyd does. I'm going to get it. I'm going to do that plan actually and break out and get not breakout, he was going to be released, but he's going to break into the house and get the money. Now, let's talk about Dick Hickock. Growing up. He was athletic, smart and

Oh wow, okay by twenty eight.

By twenty eight, yes, he would do anything to avoid working too hard. That probably counts for the marriages, sure, as well as in actual work. He was really spoken about as just a really lazy guy, right. He didn't want to have to do hard work. You know, even he didn't get scholarship, so we went, okay, I just won't go to college at or he didn't then you know, try to get a job to be able to put himself through college later. And he didn't like working because

Sure.

In nineteen fifty six, Perry and Dick were at Lansing, sorry I said, I said, Kansas State Penitentiary. They know they were at Lancing.

Lancing.

Floyd Wells says that Dick became obsessed with the thought of this ten thousand dollars in the farmer's house in Hongkong.

Much money.

Yes, yeah, Dick would say that he was going to take this new friend, Perry Smith because he was dumb and impressionable, and he was going to steal the money from the safe when they got out of prison.

God.

Now, Dick saw something in Perry that he had something that he wanted. So Perry had something that Dick wanted, and that was the skills of a natural born killer. According to Dick, Wow Perry also then saw something in Dick that he didn't have. That was confidence, the ability to make a move without second guessing yourself. Sure, okay, so they see each other as the person he's going to make this robbery actually happen. Neither of them would do it on their own, they can do it together,

Interesting not to be allowed back in the state. Usually think that you actually have to stay some ways, people can keep an eye on you. But not allowed in the state seems.

It's kind of like, I don't know if this is the case, but it feels like they've gone, Well, if you're going to do more petty crimes, not on our turn someone else, but he did stay close by to Kansas, so as close as he could possibly be, because he was waiting for Dick to get out and he wanted to be as close as he could be. Dick was meant to get out many months later, but he actually got an early release and was released in August, so just about five or six weeks after Perry was released.

This was quite a long time, like August to November.

Yeah, because remember I said that they were planning it out. Yeah, Dick moved back in with his parents so they could plan it for a while without kind of the you know, guards of the prison watching them, and he could save up some money. They could both do some you know, little jobs here and there to make some money, and they wanted to make sure they had this plan or

Yeah, it's a lot.

It's like eight hours. Ye into that like I mean on Google Maps and said driving to Melbourne to Cambra will be eight hours. Don't know how long it took in like a Chevy in the y.

That's such a long drive.

Yes, And they drive to a place called Garden City, which is where Hulkham is. They stopped once on the way and bought nylon rope, rubber gloves, adhesive tape, and a small pocket knife. They arrived in Garden City just after midnight on December fifteenth, where they stopped for gas and then they drove the final mile to Hulkham and the River Valley Farm. River Valley Farm has a long,

Foot in the car in the car, like at least a little bit of the way in the car.

And then yet they yeah, right up to the house. Sorry, because the next sentence says they parked the car near a side entrance to the house where Floyd had said there was an office with the safe with the cash, and the two men just wander straight in to the office.

In the family home.

Well, it's the nineteen fifties. It's a tiny town on a farm that doors were locked. Now, as I said, they stopped and bought rope tape and a pocket knife and rubber gloves. But what they already had and brought into the farm with them was a large flashlight, a large hunting knife, and a shotgun for a robbery. Allegedly, Dick has the knife and Perry has the gun. Now, no one is in the office space that they walk into, so they rifle around and search for the safe, but

Yeah, he had.

Planned this all out for months and was not going to leave without his money. He'd been planning it, or at least daydreaming about it for five years. So what would you do if you were Dick and Perry in this situation.

I would turn myself into prison.

Into prison, rock up to prison. Go excuse me, And that's why you're good and that's why you're here today not in prison. Well, Perry and Dick did was go and ask the family where the money was.

So they're like holding them up and saying, you know where the Moneys money.

Oh, I'm going to tell you exactly what they did. Unfortunately, chat's break. Perry and Dick walk into her and Bonnie's room and wake them with a flashlight. With the flashlight flashlight straight to the eyes. Now, there are conflicting reports here about whether the body was in that room or another room. Because of her health issues, she would often sleep in a different room, but either way, it was their bedroom and at the very least Herb was in there.

As co It's such strange behavior in this sort of situation.

Yeah, Now, while this is happening, it's almost as if Kenyan seems to notice a hint of like compassion or maybe like regret or softness or something. And Kenyan, the fifteen year old boy, says that the ties that he's turned up to the pole of the pipe with are kind of cutting off circulations to his wrists and they're hurting. So Perry cuts him free, takes him to a couch that's in the basement and ties him up there looser, and brings him a pillow places under his head.

It's so bizarre. It is really behavior bizarre. Now, what are you going to go through with this. You'd imagine you'd be callous enough to.

This is the thing, right, So I don't want to give any spoilers, but the episode is called The Clutter Family Murders, so take from that what you will. But it makes it so much weirder that they're making them comfortable. Yes, yeah, The whole ordeal lasts around two hours.

It's awful. Can you like?

I mean, you can't. We can't and what that would be like for that family. They're also and the two Bonnie and Nancy are on their own in their own rooms, tied up on their own. Herb and Kenyan are together but you know, not being able to help each other and not knowing what they can do and what's going to happen. After two hours where we don't really know what happened, Perry tells Dick to go and get the knife and kill Herb.

God.

Perry says Dick was teasing him about not having the guts to do it himself, saying, this is what we've come here to do. So was it planned a planned murder all along? This doesn't sound like just a robbery for cash. If they're going, we'll come on, this is what we came here to do, you do it? And if it was a planned murder all along, why take two hours and make it so cruel like doing, you know, tying them up and everything and leaving them there for

Of course it was. It's horrender horrendous, correct use of the word correct use.

When they were done raiding the house and killing an entire innocent family, the men left with nothing but a pair of binoculars, a transistor radio, and forty bucks they found in Herb's wallet. All that for four lives.

It's disgusting.

They're also fucking stupid because there was an envelope full of cash on Nancy's dresser that they just didn't see, guess, And this is awful. The reason the sixteen year old girl had an envelope full of cash on her dresser was because she was going to make a donation to

Oh my gosh.

The kitchen door was unlocked, which was normal, but there were no signs anyone had made breakfast, which was odd for this time of the morning in a house full of people. Then they saw Nancy's purse open on the floor, so they started calling out for their friend and walked up towards her bedroom. They saw the door ajar and they went in, and they saw Nancy on the bed, wearing her nightie, bound to the bed by her hands

It's bizarre they didn't take those because they're fucking stupid. Yeah, yeah, I just want to cash because that's what they can.

I just think that maybe weren't even smart enough to like look to think about.

I didn't find the money on the dresser. Then you're like, well, yeah.

But it's because they said they ransacked the whole house looking for cash. But they were just looking for that massive sum of cash. I don't know how and why they ended up like taking nicking a transistor radio and a pair of Yeah, but why not then why wouldn't you be thinking about jewelry and stuff. They're just idiots, like dangerous, horrible criminal audience. There was one funeral held for the four Clutter family members.

One funeral, Yeah, which is I.

Think, well, it's more devastating because I meant there were full casks they're all together. More than one thousand people attended the funeral, which is an amazing for a small town in the fifties, like a wild.

It shows how well loved and respected they were exactly, and the town was so small that the KBI offices and local sheriffs were there not because they were investigating their deaths, but because they knew Herbs.

So sad.

So then that makes you realize that Alvin Dewey and Earl Robinson, when they went into the house to find what they did, that was someone they knew. Oh god,

Yeah.

Another suspect came up. Who was Nancy's boyfriend, seventeen year old. Do you remember his name?

No, Bobby Rup, Bobby Roup, I'll be up, of course, Bobby Up.

He was the last person to have seen the Clutter family alive. He visited the Clutter home on November fourteen to watch television with Nancy and her family and said he left around eleven PM. Now we know now investigators didn't at the time that Perry and Dick got there around midnight, so they very well could have been a fifth victim in this if Bobby Rupp was still there. But of course they didn't know that at the time.

Yes, yeah, and or and.

It's always the husband and the boy usually. Yeah, that's the motive. Boyfriend. Now, people in the town started to gossip, of course they did. There's four and gossip came up about Bobby Rupp as well. There was there were rumors that there had been tensions in the family about Nancy and Bobby's relationship because the Clutters were Seventh day a dventists and Bobby was Catholic, right, okay, and the relationship

Bootprints is so odd in the blood, that is so strange.

Well, they were very clear bootprints. One had a diamond pattern on the sole and another bootprint had a Cat's Pool brand logo. That's so distinct, very distinct, two different brands, So two different boots, and no shoes in the clutterhouse matched either of these shoes. So suddenly police are looking for two killers. Yes, yeah, police determine the type of gunshot used. And just four days after the murders, they

Been used, saying they didn't try and hide it, like just a second.

Fucking idiots. Maybe we'll retitle this episode.

They're fucking idiots.

So suddenly it seems to police that they could be looking for strangers. Perhaps there were no grudges or family dynamics at play here. It looked like someone was two people had come in and just killed them. The murders were huge news. It was a tiny, tiny community and everyone in the community was really close. People stopped leaving their homes for the first time ever. They bought locks

Two weeks was that yeah, oh well.

Yeah, he had only told them a Todd, Perry and Dick about the cash, and he knew the family like he'd worked with them, so yeah, maybe his conscience couldn't handle the fact that they'd been killed. He made a plan to be called into the said the burden's office, the warden's.

Office exactly, but he wanted to do so under false pretenses, because you know, you don't snitch in jail the last thing you do snitch, So someone to just send him walk into the warden's office, they'd be like, the fuck you doing wells?

Snitches get stitches, That's what I've written. Oh, I had another one with chocolate nappies.

That's you've said that before. I hate that.

Okay, okay, okay, you're.

Gonna say sorry, Okay, say sorry.

Okay.

So he whacked a guy so we would get caught into the warden's office.

Yeah, he's a.

Good guy too.

And when I say, like, yes, didn't term yeah a whack, that's when you're like a contract killing.

Yeah, it's also that's wap. As soon as I said that, I need say that, I think I'm thinking of wham.

And yah yah yeah pussy. No in old like you know, like all Batman. That's what I was thinking of, the old you know, the oldom with Adam West. Yeah. Yeah, swack pow wham. But I said, whelse pussy, that's what you said.

Okay, Well I've updated this story. So Perry's writing let's sucking.

Go, Yeah, to relate to kids. We're trying to get a big booktop.

Booktog exactly, trying to get some young listeners.

And then he said, he said, get a bucket, mopsy.

You didn't need to say that. You've gone too far. Sorry. So it gets called into the wardensis and he as soon as he was in there, and he was alone with the warden, he spilled on his belief that Perry and Dick could have been the killers. He said he remembered Herb Cutter Clutter paying him for a job. So sorry, this is what he said to the warden that he had said to Dick that he remembered Herb Clutter paying him for a job with a large wad of cash

Like the family yeah, yeah.

And there was never a safe in the Clutter family farm never. So it's like he's got the memories of two different stories, two different times of being paid by someone that contract.

Yeah, especial when he knew that he worked for them. It's very weird to get here.

Yeah. But then like he worked there for a few months, but he worked other places in the years following as well. It's like he's got those two stories mixed up, and there were like they went back and found the check stubs that he'd been paid by herb Clutter with a check. Yeah, so he's got these two stories mixed up. I don't know Fluyd Well's background. I don't know if it was, you know, a bit fifty cent short of a dollar

That's bizarre, Yes, Purpurpur trying to.

Is that it is that like skid skid?

Yeah, not that what as queen?

Yas queen?

Yes, hunting and also yeat, I'm gonna out of here, young, loll out loud loud. So this is a quote from Floyd Wells to the warden. I suspect I talked too much about the money. Mister Clutter had talked a lot about Perry Smith said after they got out of the joint, they could pull some jobs to get enough money for a down payment on a boat. They would run charter services for deep sea fishermen and eventually make contacts and use the boat to bring in narcotics. I didn't believe Hiccock,

Yep.

So they kept stealing cars, ditching, stealing, forging checks, buying things like suits, like fancy things, anything that they could. They kept in touch with their family via payphones, but always lying about where they were. All the while police were launching a massive, large scale manhunt. They went into these men's criminal records and were able to use these to find and talk to family members and former criminal

It's such a like a like he happens happenstance, like he was like wow, like pulling them over and realizing and not just letting them go like that.

And how often do you hear about things like that? As well?

The police Department's not communicating to each other.

Yeah, but because this was such a big and like that would have happened if this story hadn't become such a massivenational news because it was a family in this small like farming town and everything. So Perry Smith and Dick Hickock were arrested without incident, kind of surprisingly. They were transferred back to Finley County in Kansas, and they would charged with four counts of murder. The media called them weak faced, Hiccock and runty Smith.

Wow.

What names.

I just think it's soid. It's like so nineteen fifty. Yeah, it's like really cute.

So also personally, yeah, exactly, and like they're kind of cute, yes, yeah, like you know, weak faced and runty, Like these days we kind of go, that's like, oh, that's cute to you that, But I love You're right, it's personal.

For the media to be going, We're not just going to call him face TiKKO ye yeah. Yeah. Now, when arrested, Dick immediately tried to pin the whole thing on Perry.

Wow.

But they both did admit to being there and carrying out the murders. Like they never tried to say it wasn't asked, we weren't there sure. Perry said that he like they broke pretty quickly. And Perry said that he had killed two of the family members and Dick had killed two. Dick said Perry had killed them all and that he had planned the whole thing, that Perry had planned the whole thing. Now, they wanted to be tried separately so they could kind of pin it on each other,

Was drags and drags and drags.

Yeah, this is March from like that. It was December thirty that they were arrested. Their trial was scheduled for March.

Wow.

They were placed in different cells while they awaited their trial so that they couldn't, you know, collude. And the unit that Perry was housed in was called the ladies unit. Oh and I don't think I think there weren't women in the prison, but like it was a part of the prison that was four women.

Really maybe one bit was overcrowded or something.

And this unit was directly next door, like sharing internal walls with the county courthouse, and the sheriff at the time had residents at the courthouse, right. It was actually the sheriff, Earl Robinson, who he met earlier, had his own house in Holcombe, so he's like, I don't need that place. So my second in charge, like the under sheriff, the deputy sheriff, and his wife lived there. His name

Behavior you know, on the night was very strange, isn't it. Very caring and compassionately.

Yeah. She would regularly make him lunch and take it and eat turkey sandwiches with the crusts cut off with him in his cell. He wrote about this a lot in his diaries and about his the kindness she showed, and it was kind of almost has been speculated a bit whether there was a bit of a relationship or something going on, or maybe kind of Perry felt love for her. Now someone else who came and visited him in prison was Truman Copodi. We're going to talk about

Wow.

He said things like, quote, I saw the man's head split apart when I pulled the trigger. So this old army friend said, Perry did not seem like he had any remorse. He didn't seem like he'd been caught up in this and taken for granted as I had taken advantage of it. Was like this army friend was like, no, he's a.

Cold blood killer, accounts Perry.

Yes, his sister also wrote him a scathing letter which features in cold blood, saying that she hated him and wouldn't forgive him. So they were kind of very mixed reviews about this guy. Perry Smith, and the reason I brought up fromim Copoi there is he is very sympathetic towards Perry and we'll talk about that more later. So real conflicting reviews for him. Dick, on the other hand, his family were the only ones that were on his side.

You hear that a lot like there's been some cases in Australia recently as well where terrible, terrible things have happened and the parents have you know, stuck by them.

And spoken to the media outside. Yeah, said no, he's told us his innocence, so we believe him.

Yeah.

Yeah, you go, which you'd want your parents to do for of course, And your parents aren't going to believe what sort of person you are a lot of the time, like you know, they want to believe the best in you. So a lot of the time, they'll deny all of that sort of stuff until you die. Thank you for saying that, and also that yeah, this in this case, it's like, well, yeah, of course his parents are going

Like yeah, Now, when it came to the trial, both Perry and Dick tried to get an insanity defense, which is what it was called. Then that's not using the word insanity. They were both tested and it was found that they were both sane of mind at the time of killings. So the trial went ahead as normal, and it was fairly normal and fairly uneventful. There was a lot of evidence. They both admitted that they were there and that they had done it. Kind of they as

What was his evidence at the start that he.

He had told them that a family I used to work for that lived at this farm with this name, had a cash with ten thousand dollars a safe with the ten thousand dollars cash. But when he gave trial evidence at trial, he admitted he had actually drawn a complete diagram of the class of farm for Dick right, and said he and Dick had actually spoken about the fact that Dick was going to go and steal the money and that he would take a cut of it when he got out for giving him all this evidence.

That's a bit.

However, the judge said, no, you can't recount that. You've given that evidence. Then you've given that testimony. So no, and it would have mattered in the end anyway. Both Perry Smith and Richard were found guilty and ordered to death by hanging on April fourteen, nineteen sixty five, So that's when the date of the hanging would be. So they would spend five years on death row.

I don't know why they do that. I don't know why they no.

I remember we had someone write in about it. They're saying there's lots for the Avenues of Appeal to take time in case anything, are there any other evidence comes up. There's a lot of places that fight against the death penalty, so there's lots of reasons that it takes a long time. Apparently at their executions, Perry Smith used his final words to condemn capital punishment. His final words were, I think it is a hell of a thing that a life

That's a wild thing to say after you've murdered.

Four people, including two children. Yeah, Richard Hickock said it's his final words. I don't have any hard feelings. You're sending me to a better place.

Oh well yeah.

The last sentence of Truman Capote's in Cold Blood, I think puts the deaths of Perry and Dick By hanging really well. The final sentence of the book says, at the time, not a soul in sleeping Holcombe heard them four gun shot blasts that all told ended six human lives.

Yeah, yeah, it's beautifully worded him.

He's just the most beautiful writer. So that's you just desperately hope Helen gon is going to listen to this one day, realize you love her.

I don't care if she does.

You're looking right into the carry, you creep. You're going to hope she hears it, realize you love her and leaves her husband and her family.

How do you know that because I looked at Helen Ghana.

Stop dead panning the camera. You can't marry Helen Ghana. I think she's above your age bracket.

Sure, let's talk about age then, Okay, I brought it up. I don't have anything more to say on the middle. I think I think that the the the way that Truman Capoti sums that up is it's such a beautifully put ending for the tragic loss of four lives. You know, you could say the tragic loss of six, but the tragic loss of four lives, Yes, and is beautifully beautifully worded in that way.

This brings us into a bit of discussion around Truman Capodi and his involvement ye story. Again, we won't go into it too much because while we are up and coming book talk stars, this is a true crime podcast, not a book talk podcast. That one's coming later.

Yes, of course, it is you better get a bucket and a mob.

Stop saying that. Don't say that. So, as I said right back in the intro, Truman Compote decided he wanted to write a non fiction novel and he went to Kansas. Yeah four Perry and Dick were court so when it was still an active, you know, murder case.

Yeah, he was quite early, yes.

And then he ended up staying there for It took him six years to write the book because there was the year leading up to it, the trial, everything, and then five years on death row. And he was adamant. He wasn't going to finish the book until the story was finished, and that to him was the end of the lives of Dick and Perry. Now, he obviously spent a lot of time in the community. There is a lot in the book that speaks about the community. He

It was a bit of speculation, and I think you can subtly read into.

Yes, I believe, not subtly yeah, okay, I think. And it's even interesting in researching the story, like you know, kind of reading different articles and listening to different podcasts and stuff about this. I have I've written my script today that in a way that I believe is more these are the facts of what it happened. Absolutely, Whereas a lot of the way that it's spoken about is you know, and Perry was really, you know, pulled along by Dick and he didn't want to be there, but

Ye.

Again, Truman Capoti doesn't write in the book that he is sympathetic and empathetic towards him. He doesn't, but the way he writes about Perry compared to how he writes about Dick is very obvious biased in my in my opinion, I yes again for the kids, beautiful pronunciation of h By the way, I'm really proud of you. I'm really proud of you. There's quite a lot of speculation that Treman Compodi was actually in love with Perry s. Yeah, it's quite a lot spoken.

About the film.

U that's quite a part of it, and I think as a reader, just my opinion of that is that that comes through quite strongly. I think he's very sympathetic towards him and you know personally, but I mean we speak about this on the podcast a lot as well. I'm less I find less sympathy in talking about killers and stuff than often you do. And I think that's again interestingly, you're reading Helen Garner's books like you understood

Yes.

However, me reading in Cold Blood has not made me feel more empathy towards Perry Smith. I think probably while reading it I did, But then I've taken myself out and I've gone, no, this is a biased account of

Ye.

Now, I said I was going to bring up the sisters as well, that Avianna and Beverly. They are not mentioned in the book. They're obviously Trim Commode is obviously not interviewed. That they didn't want to be part of it, And there is really an ethical and kind of moral thing there about you know, this is their family story,

His favorite books, you know.

Yeah, So that's my NonStop rant for you anything.

I think it is an amazing book as it is. I mean, any book that you read, like whether it's a John Romp and whether it's a John Saffrain or Helen Ghana, whatever it is, they're going to put.

That.

He does the documentaries, but it's the same thing, kind of like taking putting himself in the stry.

The way through if you're going to go from like you know, a documentary maker. But as writers of true crime, they always put themselves in the story and it's their connection, it's their human story telling.

In cor blood doesn't really not in the same way that John Ronson and Helen Ghana's they'll actually say like, yes, exactly, Truman Commodis doesn't do that. It is a telling of the story from someone who was there. But we only know he's there because we know that.

The book that he was No, which is you know, I haven't seen the way that book was done.

Again, I can't think of it. No, we should look into that for our book talk that we start in case we're wrong.

But yeah, I don't think I've read a book that's like that again.

No, Yeah, that it is first person without being first.

Yes, which is really interesting because I don't know the first person that did it in first person sense, like I don't know that. I don't know who would have captured that.

And we could be someone taking the idea from Truman Compod and going, oh, but I'll use the word.

I y yeah, which is fascinating. But I think that there are opinions in there. Yeah, that's interesting for someone that's not written in first person as I believe this. Yes, it's way it is written.

Sometimes it's written much more like a novel.

Yes, yeah, which you know you could go, this is a piece of fiction.

Well yeah, And I think there would be people have picked up and read the book thinking, like not knowing that just knowing Trumans in Cold Blood is a famous book that I've heard of it, you know, thee Orange Penguin classic book. Yes, there would be people who don't know that's actually about a true crime that Truman Compodi himself went and like investigate.

I think I'm going to do James fra a Million Little Pieces soon, because that is another book that you know was you can go is it a great piece of nonfiction or is a great piece of fiction? And I think when you look at two things, sometimes you get excited when it's when it's true true. Yea more excited.

You're funny with movies and stuff like, you'll enjoy a movie more if you think if they say it's based on true, not more than another movie, but more than you otherwise would have it. It's like if you.

See like a drama film and it happens to be funny, you go, how amazing it was funny as well you see a comedy film.

Two different genres to get really it was really that funny.

I think it's the expectation of what it is. And when you when you look at something like this Truman Capodi, you go, oh my god, what an amazing writer. I think I would have enjoyed it as a book just as much if I didn't know that it was a true.

Yeah, Whereas I don't know. I can't answer that because I know that I read it knowing. I even knew. I knew about the fact that people thought were not the fact of the speculation that he was in love with Perry Smith. I knew all of that going into That's why I read it. I knew about that, Yeah, So I don't know how I would have found it otherwise. But I just I love like his writing so beautiful.

Yeah, yeah, no, it is. It's fascinating just to think of would it be as well known if it wasn't for no, I don't think no. But then also the horror of you know, the surviving members of that family that had to live through that and be like, oh my god, cold blood, like they would bring that up as a point of reference for the murder that took place of their families.

Yeah, what is that eighty years ago?

Yeah? Maths, maths, And it's still like a really well known story today.

Well there you go. Now you know it even better.

Than you may have.

Yeah. Yeah, I didn't know several facts from that after reading the book. So it's like it's interesting. I think for me, hearing the story as a standalone's interesting because the facts they are, you think.

Yeah, I think all thets that I've said in this are in the book, but they they're spread out, yes, and they're mixed up and diluted with so many other stories and things as well. That's just hearing it as it like this is the true crime story, and of.

Course you know, you also have hearsay and you have people commenting on it, and you have you know, three different means. So that's a really interesting part of it as well, where I think when you just look at a murder as it is a callous, awful, inhuman thing, you go, oh no, this is a this was a murder of a family. Yep.

Yeah, Let's not spend five years in a cell with turkey sandwiches with the crust cut off with one of the murderers and start to feel sorry for him. Let's talk about the murder.

Yeah, yeah, which is absolutely fascinating. So do you love? Thank you for telling me that the air.

Condition has been on this whole time and I feel like my blood is a bit cold. What in cold blood?

Oh?

I thought you said your bladder is a bit cold. Oh yeah, the up you're bladder. That's a funny thing to say. We're back in a moment with the thank you gee for doing the story this week. Are you ready for some letters?

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Oh, hang on, I know the name, but I can't think of the case.

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I'm sure nearly at its resolution.

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That's fantastic. Definitely. I think the girls are loving when.

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And I told them all.

About it, and the first thing they say is, who's died?

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And next thing is I have a case for you.

Oh, I would really love to hear your take on the Rachelle Child's case. What's the one that I heard of and stumbled across I guess and have become really invested in. And it's just one that really sits close to home and would love to hear your take on it. Say hi to Paud's and Digs and I can't wait to hear more from you both soon.

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Vot you attach photos, So as promised, here are some pics of Pearl Bay Courthouse from my walk to Willie Beach this morning to accompany my voice message. And yeah, there's a plaque that says the sea change.

All the locations were like out in regional Victoria.

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The beach, but it's you're actually caught out.

I know.

But in the shops to court, what is this? Do they film it separately? Like what is going on? That's so we should do a little.

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I couldn't understand why.

I just got the egg feeling right from the God my friend felt the same thing when she ruked.

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A few days. Anyway, keep up the good work.

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I only discovered you guys this year sow twenty six, and I've already listened to every single episode. I just wanted to send it in a case suggestion you might be interested in. I'd love to hear some Australians cover this one, because I'm only ever found American podcast talking about it, which feels pretty strange given it happened here. It was around two thousand and six. I was living in nar A Hill at the time, and one day

Because the bodies in the Barrels snow.

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