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Hi, I'm Will Bruin and I was just recognized as a Seattle Sounder's legend. Now I get to do voice reads for the Sounder at Heart Podcast Network. This is a tiny f***ing dog. Welcome back to another episode of Nos Audietis. I'm Jeremiah Oshan. Joining me today is the incomparable Max Bretos of Apple TV fame and everything else. How are you doing, Max? Yeah, great Jeremiah. I'm a bad smell when it comes to soccer. I've been around forever. I know.
Wafting around. Some people take a creature comfort and some people it's like maybe nails on the chalkboard. I'm here, baby. You are the thing I always appreciated. You were one of the only people on ESPN back in the day that was giving soccer some real love. Right. I was at Fox Soccer Channel. This is the dark ages of the coverage of the sport here. I think when I started in 1996, oh boy. It just keeps further and further away.
You'd have a Monday night primarily game on ESPN and then it was some Champions League games. I was the only thing you would get other than the big tournaments. The World Cup only. The Euros wasn't even televised. No, that was. We were on this all soccer channel and I got that and eventually allowed the move to ESPN. I always wanted to be in soccer but you also wanted to always have that opportunity to work at ESPN and sports center, which you did.
As the time went in, I'm already answering the question before I even asked Jeremiah. As I did, I want to obviously soccer was, I mean, I was all in at that point. I was like, I want to be immersed in this sport. So full circle now. Here I am talking to you. I know. It's great. It's great. I've always appreciated that about you. I have really, I've really honestly come to appreciate intensely the work that you guys do on the broadcast.
You and Dunnie are the probably the most entertaining group team. I don't know if you're that's who you're paired with this week, but I do really enjoy you and Dunnie. I've come to really appreciate it. Well, let me ask you this because the way I do it, you know, we talk about the broadcast
and I feel doing MLS, which isn't the Premier League. It's not the Champions League where everyone knows who these people are and they have 200 year history is that I think we sometimes have to be a little more entertaining, a few more bells and whistles to be a little more engaged because because we don't have, you know, obviously the the star power one day we will play. We have great players. We don't, you know, every team is just loaded and
we don't have that history. So I mean, I always I wonder curious, you know, how how you would like a good. When people say we can't we can't I guess answer to my point was to compare it to the Premier League. It's just a different. It's to me, it's got to be a much different presentation. It I think it's I think there's room for it to be a different presentation. There are times, especially early on in when you and Dunnie were working
together. I thought sometimes it veered a little bit into the little bitty. You know, I mean, a little like there could be a little over it, but I think you guys have really found a good balance. I don't know if those are notes that you ever received or not, but there is a authenticity to the banter that I appreciate. And it seems like you guys play off one another
really well. That's great to hear. And Jeremiah, it's this interactions with the MLS, the RMLS world, which, you know, I think you have to be honest, talking to the journalists, talking to the players, the coaches, and just trying to paint that and not be phony. And I'll be I mean, I've been doing this forever and there's moments where I this season where I've said things like that felt a little insincere. What have you? And then, you know,
we're just always learning still and I'll doing this in this format with MLS. I mean, we've done it for two years. So I've kind of come in with a new new perspective and still fine-tuning it. But it's I think being, you know, true to the league and the people involved as has been a good guideline, a good guideline. Well, I'll say that I think the moment where I was finally embraced it all was when you dubbed Dylan Tevis' hair a macular lettuce. It's got
good hair. You guys get to get to know him. General have good hair. They do. They do. I think and that's sort of a thing that's gone back away. They've I think that might be on their scouting checklist is good hair because they they do seem to bring in a pretty steady stream of well co-coffed. Yes. I mean, Rothrock's got a good a salad. Delevega's got a nice one too. Yeah. Joining Mars a little bit and the roll down bros a little bit more
kept, but still nice flow. Yeah. There's not a lot of disasters at the very least. Yeah. Who is who is the backup keeper for why my? Andrew Thomas. Andrew Thomas. Oh, yeah. He's great great great great main great main. Yes, it's big chiseled. I mean, I walk by. I mean, it's just he just it's big chiseled jawline. It's like just an impressive human being
to see it close. If you get that chance in Seattle. Yeah. I totally agree. Well, you aren't you aren't on the Sounders game this week, but you do do a lot of work with L.A.F.C. which is the main reason I wanted to talk to you was you seem to know L.A.F.C. really as well as anyone. What's the sense of the sort of the rivalry with the Sounders or is the like I know Sounders fans now there is like an honest debate within Sounders fandom about if L.A.F.C. is now the big rival of the Sounders.
Even in a different way than the Timbers, but it's it's become such a bug a boot team for the Sounders. Do does L.A.F.C. feel that at all? I think they do. I haven't heard it said publicly, but I've been associated with L.A.F.C. from the beginning when they started obviously they had the rivalry with the Galaxy, which was going to be all in from the jump. We saw that from the first chapter. Then there was a season or two where the Timbers became like that second rival.
They had some big games and even till today it always felt like Timbers are number two. But then you know is it being a young club, things adjust and I mean even the Whitecaps, which L.A.F.C. have played 12 times the last two years. I mean there's just the actual number. That's the actual number because they had to play off the last two years. Konka Kafft Champions Cup last year. So they've that six games right there and then League's Cup it's unbelievable.
So I mean but those two neither of those two teams want to see each other again. So there's just that's fatigue. The Sounders kind of crept up on it because in those early years from the L.A.F.C. perspective 18, 19 they didn't really have any notable matchups, really ones that you remember off the top of your head. But that's obviously changed in 2019 in that playoff game which put all
the chips into the Sounders and that was a very difficult pill to swallow. Their magical season and I was there and I always remember Bob Bradley and Brian Schmetzer and Bob Bradley was just mulling it over and I've spoken to Bob after that and he says he relives that game over and over and over again. It's like a sickness. That's my word, not his. It's just it really affects him. And I remember Brian Schmetzer coming up to him and going, hey sorry, but I'm sorry, man, I'm sorry,
I was just apologizing for beating him. I'm sure that's he was just being Brian, the gentleman all the time. But that changed it and I should say that was the second year but even they didn't play that much. So every time but they'd get a chance and now we have this run in the postseason and they've kind of been unavoidable. Yeah, it's the fourth consecutive knockout tournament that they've faced each other going back to last year's playoffs. Yeah, so they obviously played in the
playoffs last year. I mean, it doesn't feel the same for the LFC because they've moved on. That's those games. But the Sounders, you know, last year's playoffs, leagues cup, open cup, and now this, you know, this, this, it's a very clear obstacle that the Sounders have to clear for them to achieve what they aspire to, which is winning trophies. And LFC has been the absolute team that they have been running face first into each time. And it's, you know, you go back and
I think it's 10 straight since the Sounders beat LFC. And within that time, I think they only even have three ties, maybe two ties. It's been an all LFC rivalry. And I think there was a lot of sense going into the open cup where it's at Starfire. It felt like all the, the advantages were were on the Sounders side. And yet it's LFC who comes up with a penalty kick and then gets, you know, gets a favorable offside call, which I think was was correct. But, you know, an offside
call there at the end. And, and here we are. LFC moves on again. They win the open cup. But it's been an interesting season for LFC where it does seem like it's gone through some real roller coaster aspects. Is that a fair way of putting it? Yeah. And that's stunning that history. And that's what makes it such a compelling matchup because I don't know. I'll talk about the LFC season, but just the approach for LFC. It's hard to be, and I'm not taking a jab at them, but kind of,
it's hard to beat the San Jose earthquakes five times in a season. I agree. They're alone the Sounders. I agree. Cool. Look, just, you know, the, the immovable object that can't, no one's getting through these guys. And the way they just just bullied the dynamo. And we saw the worst of Houston come to the surface because it was the Sounders. It was, it was really impressive. And
for that to be in a situation for this team, and I can't even imagine. And maybe it's a disadvantage that they would be so fired up saying, we can't lose to this team five times this season. And maybe that will affect them. But I think LFC is also thinking, how can we beat this team five times? I mean, I think we spoke to Steve Churndalo and he wouldn't really address that. He just, you know, got to be cliche about a game per game. And I think he'll feel confident about
his team's chances because it's been a good matchup. And maybe use that to his benefit. But to answer your question, this, I, Steve Churndalo doesn't get the, the recognition that he certainly deserves because this was a, a very good season. They had that bad patch. They're, they're always incorporating new players, especially these last three years when he's there. That's difficult. And we've seen it derail a lot of teams. I mean, the Sounders don't have to worry about it. They've
had the same group and incredibly, they've stayed in more, I think. Yeah. Well, you know, it's, but I was talking about the Sounders in the middle of the season. I go, they're not, this, this is not sustainable. I don't feel like they need to get, they need to spend some money and get
it. But I was wrong. Somehow, I think, I mean, I think that's, you're, you're right. It's an interesting, not to, not to cut you off, but it isn't interesting debate because it feels like I agree that they have to start spending some money and refreshing this roster because you just, you feel like you just can't keep rolling out the same roster game after game. And yet,
they went on a nearly historic run in the second half of the season. You know, if they had, if they had won that game against, against Portland and the season finale, they would have been, they would have had the second most points in a half season in Emma's history. Wow. Which is great. I mean, that's a crazy start. Unbelievable. Because there was a point in the season. I remember I called a game. I was there and I saw Adrian Hannah, I was going on. He was
like, he's always very cordial. He's like, I can't right now. And it was like, I saw Brian roll in and then Craig Weibel and they're like, older heads down. And I imagine, I don't know, because I wasn't in the room. No, it was, it was, it was a, I mean, they were one, five, and three to start the season. It was, it was very bad. They were, they were, there were real conversations about whether or not Brian was going to stick around or not. There was no, and there's no way that Brian
and Craig probably can say, Hey, we need help. We need to get this, this, whatever that looks like. And then whatever happened, they leaned into what they had. This amazing set up academy set up and Emma less next pro team, the Defiance. They found what they were needing. I just, it really, the more I talk about it, Jeremiah, it's one of the great sports stories because they don't, they shouldn't be here. They should, this, this should have been like, to me, the, exposing
the sounders for not buying and spending money. And they're getting a reprieve because they've made it work. I just don't know how they did it. I don't know how to do it. Yeah. And I don't either. And you know, you bring up a good point about the academy and the Defiance. And that is one thing that I really think that you and Dunny have done a better job of than maybe anyone else. I've heard calling the games is sort of highlighting the work that the sounders have done to develop talent
within their own market. And that is, that it's, you know, we hear about Philadelphia and we hear about Dallas because they're selling players on and the sounders have not made the same kind of big sales. But they've done a good, as good of a job as anyone of filling out their roster with players that come through the developmental system. I think over half their, half their minutes, half their goals. I think half their assists have all come from players who came through their
academy. And this is, you know, this is not, this is not L.A. where we have the most talent rich area. But there's, you know, obviously there's good players here. But it's, it has been a great story. And I appreciate that you guys have pointed this out on multiple occasions. I think it's important, but it shouldn't be that way. Even these clubs worldwide that have great academies, whether it be, you know, West Ham back the day, there's some of these French academies.
I want to say is it a stodra nae. They're always unearthing talent. But they still need to find and fill the gaps somewhere else. And Seattle does that. But, you know, you look, I mean, a little bit of Aiga has been the, the signing in two seasons or like the last 12 months, I should say. That's been kind of it. You know, where people are like three years. That's their, their biggest signing. That is. So, and like to your point, I mean, it's, to me, it's like a story that
needs to be told. And I've told that to the Apple folks because even in L.A., where you know there's more talent, the galaxy who've been in it a long time. And L.A. have seen, have now been developing players. Neither of them have come close to what the sounders have done just in the last five or six years. Just look at that. That group of players that isn't right now aiding the sounders and what they're trying to achieve. There's just, you've got to give credit to the club and the
coaching and everything they do because their neighbors in Portland. I know it's not as big of a city. They love soccer there. They have a history yet they can't get two good players out of it. They can't really get Americans on the field, let alone. See, it's yeah, they face a little more than theirs. Yeah. And I'm like, not again, I'm taking jabs at all these things, but Portland's gone a different route because that doesn't work for them
where Seattle, most of those players are from Washington state. You see, you have Obed Vargas and a couple others. And even the Royal Dom Brothers are not like a academy, but to find these guys through Washington College here. You know, it's really, it doesn't make any sense to me, Jeremy. It shouldn't
be feasible that this is their means to their success, but here we are. I know. I was asked Brian about this sort of yesterday and I, you know, acknowledging that there is a feel good element to this. And, but ultimately asking if this is like how you judge the success of it and he was pretty blunt. He's like, well, we got to start winning. If we're going to have this many, we need these
guys to deliver championships. Like it's, it's only as useful as we are. You know, if, if Jordan Morris is scoring in big games, if Jackson Reagan is coming up with big defensive plays, that's what we need. That's what's important. It's not another whether or not they came from Seattle. But it's been a fun, it's been an interesting subplot to this season for sure. And it's been, you know, it's, it's, it's, it, it stands in contrast to a lot of, what are
a lot of other teams are doing. You know, but talking about LFCs mid-season transformation, you bring in Olivier, or they bring in Olivier, they bring in Louisville, Brian, two big acquisitions. How have they fit in so far? Would you say? Louisville, Brian is, I mean, every, every database he has exceeded our data point part of me. He's on loan. I mean, they have to sign him. He's an integral part of this team now. He's,
I think he started every game and that league's cup final, which was his first game. He came, or his second game, he came on at the half. He was the first sub off the bench. So clearly, the coaches, this guy is it. This is what we've been looking for, a perfect piece to that formation. I mean, he is, he plays every minute of every game. So I would be stunned. And if he's at notting him far as, which means the price tag is not going to be cheap. So, but they have to sign him.
He, I mean, when you look at it, I mean, with the other pieces that have developed over the years, obviously, Danny Bawong and Maddie Bogey, who's exploded this season, that was the piece that have allowed them to reach the goals that they've hit, finishing first in the West. Olivier Jarrouz, the other one, obviously, we could see, he hasn't scored an MLS goal. He had one in open cup and one in leagues cup. And he's gripping a bit. It's not the perfect fit for this
team because as a 36, 37 year old number nine in a team with this kind of transition. I mean, they're going to have to make it work. And I think they can. He turns, if he's doing some hold-up play and then Bawong is like, juh, sprinting out there. And that's very hard to keep up with for the Jarrou profile. But he does a lot of the things that, you know, those little things he does
well enough. And, you know, this is a winger-based team. I mean, they had Chicho Arango for a bit, but other than that, they're best attacking players or midfielders or wingers, the guys who score all the goals. So I think for Jarrouz, it's just a thing, a situation. And I'm, he didn't start with game three against the White Caps. I'm sure he'll start against the Sounders. I think it's a better matchup. And if he can get that goal, it would make all the difference. But they're happy
with what he's done. Obviously, they would like more goals. He would like more goals. It's just what he's used to. He's got to, it's got to be a shock to the system. He's like, man, okay. And it's part, you know, he's got a shoulder, some of the blame. But it's also, it's a result of how this L.A.C. team is playing. But again, there is a belief that one moment when it hits, it'll hit, it'll hit oil. Thank you for listening to the Sounder Heart Podcast Network, which now includes
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the subscribe button in the top right corner. Thanks for listening. Are there any other spots on the roster where on the starting lineup where you feel like there's question marks or is it pretty set at this point? It's, they have a lot of good depth. I mean, this, the team's changed a lot, you know, L.A. Sanchez and Edward A. Twesta were starters all season, but they don't start now.
I would, I would tend to think he might start here. There is, they kind of disguise if they're short, either when they play the three centerbacks, which I think Steve Tornolo prefers, and then have the two wingbacks, whether it's Polencia and Hollingshead or Hollingshead and Compost. Polencia always is in there. He's played center back too. So if they play with the three, I mean, they get rid of their center back depth, they have Jesus Murillo coming back. I think
that's, that makes it a complete set and they could possibly play with four. They want to have a three man midfield. It depends, you know, horses for courses. The, the front three, they, if it was Bogus, Jérôme Blanca, you're thrilled. You have Christian Oliveira that can also come in. So you have a fourth piece in case you need a little pop. And then the midfield, they have four,
the depth is good. I'm, if there's an upgrade, and there's always a place where you can upgrade, maybe they could have a little more creativity in the midfield, which with the two that they have, Tillman and O'Brien, they're more, you know, more utilitarian industrial types and they'll, they'll win the ball, they'll get it up field. Maybe a little more passing that maybe a Carlos Vela would have done in the past. But with the way this team's built, it's, it's hard to find
a shortcoming. The one thing would be is they need more, it would be great if they get more goals at the nine position. But, you know, if they're getting goals from other people, you can live with that. What did you feel like the Whitecaps did well in that series? You know, it felt like they gave L.A.F.C. really all they could, I mean, they L.A.F.C. lost on aggregate, I suppose. Yeah, it was, I mean, Ryan Gold is really interesting and he was healthy and he was kind of hard to track
and L.A.F.C. were losing him a lot. And I thought the way they just threw numbers up, exposed L.A.F.C. certainly in the midfield because certainly in that second leg where they won. I mean, you would see like seven on four, six on six on four, five on three, and then it always be an extra man for the Whitecaps and they had real issues handling that. I think a physical nature that Andres Kubas was able to provide and getting under the skin made a big difference
of Vesalinovich. It was just, they were, they were tough, but I thought winning the ball and then just going and not making mistakes to get caught. They didn't give L.A.F.C. time to go for that transition. For whatever, there was just too much pressure and those centerbacks were pushed way back and I remember, I mean, there was the, the second leg and there was signs of it in the third leg too early on where L.A.F.C. just couldn't, they could get out of their end, but they could never really
get into a good attacking position. And the Whitecaps, it just felt sometimes in stretches that, you know, it felt like the Whitecaps had an extra player there. I don't know how many did it, but he did it. Have you been surprised this year at the degree to which L.A.F.C. is sort of embraced not having the ball? Yeah, it's, Steve Toronto, I think really enjoys that moment, enjoys that style and he's built a team that is, you know, this is a very, it's weird because
it's a very modern kind of new philosophy about, yeah, we're not going to touch the ball. I remember watching the World Cup and it was, you know, France and Morocco and Morocco naturally are going to try and sit back and absorb pressure. And then France says, well, we're going to do that too. And then they're like, hmm, and then Morocco finds out the heck was it? They went, France caught them. And I was like, man, we never used to see this from good to more talented teams.
More talented teams saying, we will, we're not, we don't need the ball. We'll wait, we will counter punch and we will hurt you. So I think they really revel in that. And I think we'll, you know, more teams perhaps will go that direction. But it's a, there, it's a badge of honor for them.
How they can win without touching the ball that much. Well, I know, especially against the sounders where they've really excelled is if they can get an early goal, they haven't, you know, they once they, once they have the lead, they are almost impossible to beat, it seems. Yes. That's what it came down to the White Caps game two. And I think game three of them say,
Lervus scores versus going to win it. And that's what happened was one goal. And, you know, the sounders defensive record and the LFC's defensive record, they've both been uncompromising. It feels like this game will feel more like the Starfire game than it did when they played in leagues cup, which was one way traffic. It's maybe we have like some weird seven goal thriller, but it just feels like it's going to be a chess match out there. I will be very
compelling in its own right. Is there any one player that you feel like is particularly worthy of like needs more attention in terms of on LFC that maybe doesn't get talked about quite as much? I mean, I think a lot of them don't get talked about. I think they're just, they're the some of their parts. They don't have a Kucho or a Luchuk of Kostak or one guy I suppose. But one, yes, I mean, he's the guy. I mean, so people they focus on him. And I think Bogus is getting his
due diligence. I say Aaron Long. I, you know, I'll get laughed at. I was almost waiting for Mauricio Fucho team to announce his roster. And Aaron Long was going to be on it. I just thought he fits the profile now of an older guy, still super athletic, who can move around that backline. I think he's been excellent certainly in to me one of the three or four best centerbacks this season. And then Surji Palencia is just exceptional. I think he leads the league in tackles. So he does a
lot of the dirty work. And he's a guy who came with very little fanfare. So, uh, we crazy not to mention Louis O'Brien because he really did change this team upon his arrival. They needed that in the midfield. That was, you know, yes, what was missing. That's what was missing. And they filmed it. And they could do it. But it's, it's, it's, the sounders have their hands full because they're going to have to find a weak spot there. And it's, it's when they're healthy, which LFC is,
it's going to be hard to to find to expose that. Well, I'm going to go down there on Saturday. And I'm, I went to the LFC for the first time for the season opener of this year. I was really impressed by the whole, by the whole deal. I think it's a great place to watch a game. So, I'm looking forward to going down there. But we do, we have a couple of questions from our
readers or listeners. But I just want to throw away the league's got to be thrilled. Obviously, with this whole thing with Messi getting knocked out to have this matchup kind of rescue the day. And if you're uninterested, uh, because Messi's out, just tune into this, this history. This is really good. No, I agree. And that was one of the things I thought was so far. I made the pitch. I, I think that I know the league offices. I'm sure very upset about it. And, and, but this is
the Western half of the bracket still has a lot of compelling. Oh, yeah, matchups. I don't think the league is upset. I think the league knows what's what with MLS. They would, it would be naive to think that Inter Miami and LFC or Inter Miami and the Galaxy would be your final. Never in a million years, they just assumed that was going to happen because it doesn't happen very rarely. It does not. It does not. It does not.
Last year kind of did 2022, it did. But that's more reason why I could go off the rails in 24. So I think they have the league office. People think that they're like, oh, they're not. They know the playoffs are the playoffs for that reason. Absolutely. Well, okay. So we got a few questions I wanted to ask you from from our listeners here. One of our readers, Dan, is asking about your partnership with Dunnie and how it feels very genuine.
And he's just curious, is this, are these off the cuff conversations or do you guys actually sort of trade notes about back and forth as to, you know, little references that you guys make? No, it's pretty much off the cuff. I mean, we talk about it. And I think that's one of the things very fortunate. I've known Brian for a long time. He worked at Fox Soccer. That's where he started his broadcasting. I think I was with him on his first game. So I've known him. He's a good friend.
There's a lot of trust there. I mean, most broadcast teams are like that. But I mean, no one has the tenure for us. So we can take shops at each other. There's, I mean, whatever it is, I mean, we're very thick skinned. I guess that's where the departure is with some broadcast teams. There's some people I wouldn't take that jab or or take some liberties with where I can with Brian. And so that makes it very easy. And anything you bring up will be absorbed. And if it's a
bad point, you'll get called out for it. So we're keeping our talk. I mean, over the air, we will we will undress each other. And like I'll say, you said that two minutes ago. You didn't listen whatever it is. So are you listening to yourself? Did you not hear? I said that already. Do you, are you on your phone ever? I guess if you're doing play by play, you can't be on your phone. But Dunne's got to be on his phone. No, I'm on my laptop a lot. And I'm looking at stuff.
Okay. Information. And then I'll get a whack on the side, which is a courtesy whack. And it's I need to manage it a little better because I think good announcers also have a better whole handling of everything. And I'm like, I go to this panic but I got to get I remember I saw this before. Where was it? Right. Type it up. So we kind of look out for each other in that. So we're very fortunate to have each other. And I think the world of
him I'll tell it. If he's not here, if he was here as well. Fair enough. So Aaron, my actually, my co host on the show normally, you want to know, you said, I guess you make a lot of Eno references. Is that intentional? The Emo wasn't Eno, Brian Eno, maybe I don't know what Eno. I'm not sure we didn't Eno. Perhaps I'd like, well, I was a big fan of, you know, when Roxy Music and they're and Brian Eno separating and then he had these weird albums with like sound
effects, which I put in my wife's like, what are you listening to? I go Brian Eno and then there was a couple songs that maybe I subconsciously mentioned some of the lyrics. Oh, that's not out of the realm of possibly. And I've said that on the broadcast. I love going to
Seattle because music wise people get references. Well, I don't listen to KexP, but I'm on their YouTube page all the time and they have those in concerts because that's some Seattle music scene is, I don't want to generalize, but music that people in Seattle like is kind of like what I like. Oh, yeah. Some electronic stuff, all of that kind of, you know, the grunge, all of that. So I'll give you a pit. I'll let you know you can listen to KexP and L.A. It's streamed.
They have an app that you can say that on the, yeah, I know. I'm just saying like you don't need to, you know, you're probably listening to K rock or something like that that you don't, you can like listen to real on program radio. I saw, I was walking around Pikes plays, I saw one of the DJs from the gay explain videos and I'm like, and he was like, I got his name. He's like, what? I saw you. You did this thing was so, so, so, so, so amazing. He's like, oh, great.
Dean did not expect that. No, that's, that's, I love that. All right. So this is from a guy that goes out of the name, Sounders pilot and he says, if the Sounders bunker and looked to counter, giving LFC possession, do you see LFC being able to break down a low block? And then who do you think is the bigger problem for LFC, Georgie, Minongo or Pedro de la Vega? That's a great question. Really? Well, details. Yeah, maybe to maybe that Morocco France example I gave you.
We don't want, we don't want the ball. Right. Take it. I would think that might not be a bad call. I mean, because that Mike fluster a team that especially in the postseason has been very content with very little possession. I just, that's a, I mean, I think Pedro de la Vega is the right answer. He's been frustrating. I know for the Sounder fans and I mean, Minongo's so pure what he does. He's not. And saying with Rothrock, you know, that's, this is what we do. We're going to get
vertical. We're going to work hard. I love watching it. But I don't have a right answer for that, because I think, I think I could see Minongo changing that game. If they love it, it was start. I think Minongo could be a nice change of pace. I would think that would be the direction they go. But to answer that question, Minongo in that role could be a difference maker. You know, and what's great about Minongo and Rothrock is they are both these great stories that
I would imagine any broadcaster just falls in love with this. You know, like, yes, Minongo is blind in one eye. And he's, you know, it had this kind of interesting journey to get here. And Rothrock obviously was, you know, a local kid who went to play elsewhere and sort of just found his way back. But anyway, everyone needed it. Roth, I mean, Minongo, I can't even fathom. When you have, you don't have vision in an eye, you rule out sports, right? 99.9%. You can't play sports.
You need both eyes. So I don't know. I don't know how he does it. But Rothrock is so interesting because the last two years, every MLS team has dropped big coin for big time wingers, Guwanga, Peck, Andres Gomez, or else, I'll like, you're all looking for that guy. Now see how spent zero to get close to the output, not there, but not far off. Well, I mean, yeah, for on a permanent basis is he's been very good. He's like a low
error. I mean, he's not making, he's making, he's making all this. Yeah. So it's, I mean, I hope that changes. It should change. But that's, that is on to go back to the story about the sounders. That's crazy. I mean, you have to get a big time, when you're, uh, Austin, the, the Ghanian players, name, escaping, they flop what eight seven eight million dollars mid season. Because they thought that's what they would do. Mm-hmm. Galah had Rothrock. Well, and I'll close out with this. Do you,
do you have favorite teams to call others? I'm sure you enjoy calling LFC because it's your, it's, you know, you know, them probably the best. But is there anyone else that you really enjoy calling games were? See, I'll certainly up there. I'll put that and just getting on calls with Brian, just delight. And he's, he, he rips people. Uh, you know, it's like sometimes we forget to add, some coaches give you their lineup. Some don't. If we forget Seattle, he would literally say,
hey, do you want the lineup? I go, yeah. Yeah, sure. Thanks. And I, I, I just love the proximity of the stadium. You know, obviously I, in a perfect world to be great. There's a 25,000 sear there in Seattle downtown where people go. But this is still pretty good. Uh, Portland, I just, uh, part of it is for my travel. The, you know, growing up in Miami, I didn't know about Alaska Airlines, but I always get upgraded on Alaska Airlines. I'm there in the first class.
I always sit on the right on a date so I can see Mount St. Helens and Mount Rainier. I get really pumped. So I go. So, and then when they curl around Seattle, I mean, it's just that flight in is the best. It is the, the landing, the way that planes come in, especially from the south in, in Seattle is pretty great because you're right. You get to, sort of, get the whole tour of the, of the city of the city. You're down like a little kid. Uh, since 90 going into their stadium is,
is, is awesome. We, I mostly do West Conference, Western Conference teams, which is, I appreciate. And, you know, I hope they do better. Austin, their stadium's not downtown, but their stadium is spectacular. And they've built this area, like a second downtown called the domain, where I remember when I went there first, it was empty. And now it's all building up and that soccer stadium is kind of the centerpiece of it.
So I mean, those are all, I mean, and I know, front-off at Portland's pretty special to where you could just walk to mid. I like going to games of Portland too. Yeah, that's special building. We have the wood, the old original wood on the roof. That's pretty cool. It is pretty quiet. I would ever admit that. But Timber, Jim and Timber Joey, you know, like all that stuff is really good. We are in debt in this league to the sounders, the timbers, lesser degree, the white caps,
and the earthquakes because of that history. It's not FC, this or FC, the same pass. That is so important. And it's authentic. And thank you. Well, that's a great note to end on, Max. Thank you so much for doing this. One other thing I was told to, I'm told to bug you to get on Blue Sky, I guess. Especially after I just saw your tweet about how if you, if you leave Twitter, you can't come back. Well, it's like I have like five people
and I have to read their tweet whether leaving. I'm like, oh, okay. And then they're back. Don't let me see. If you're out, you're out. Well, don't, I guess what I'm saying, if you don't want to use Twitter, don't say anything, just leave it. I get it. We all use it. It's a mess right now. There's a mess. I have to, I kind of have to tell people this all the time. Like whether or not I personally love being on Twitter, I as a journalist, it's, it's still a, a very important tool
for us. Yes. And I will say that we leave this. But when I go on, I do a Sounders game. There's like five accounts, including yours that I will click on and I will quickly educate myself. There you go. It's a great base when I'm preparing for a game. True story. Thank you. I appreciate that. And I appreciate the calls that you've been doing. Where, what, where can people follow you though? Just you have a, you do have a podcast as well.
Yes. I have a podcast and I, the podcast has been dark for the last few weeks, but I'm bringing it back. But I also have, it's called a Sock ROG. But I also been trying to focus more on the YouTube page, which is up there. So MLS and US soccer national team. So I'll be watching the game, the US games this week. And I usually will do videos about that. So I really enjoy that because I get to kind of be the editor at large with what we do. So absolutely. Check out the Sock ROG.
It's under my name. Max Breto's either on YouTube or check out one of the podcasts as well. Thank you for allowing me to mention that. Yeah. No, absolutely. The first thing I said, I know, right. I know. I sort of teed you up. Well, Max, thanks again for doing this. Really appreciate it. Best of luck. And hopefully we'll talk to you again sooner than later. I'm Jeremiah Shan. This is No Study at this. And we'll catch you next time. We love you. Let's win another one.