What's better? Sex or two Nobody Asked Us episodes in 4 days?!? It's a trick question because the correct answer is listening to this new episode while munching on a Nerds rope. This episode starts by going a little off the rails but quickly gets back on track as Kara leads Des through a conversation about her record-setting weekend. There's also bonus coverage of Kara's 5K race on Saturday and her successful spectating duties on Sunday. You will hear about the controversial KitKat at the press ...
Oct 13, 2023•1 hr 13 min•Season 1Ep. 23
Des and Kara kicked off marathon weekend in Chicago with a live episode from Fleet Feet Chicago. They talk about their marathon routines and strategies for pre-race prep, in-race execution, and of course, the post-race party. Come for the usual, inspirational tips on marathoning, stay for the random tangents about Ted Bundy, a murder on Valentine's day (and the connection to Des's house), running in handcuffs, and tattoos on your face. You never know where these episodes will lead... Des and Kar...
Oct 10, 2023•1 hr•Season 1Ep. 22
This episode is the runner's equivalent of an all-you-can-eat buffet. There's a little bit of everything, just please go easy on the corn and tomatoes. Des and Kara start with a recap of the Diamond League Final at the Prefontaine Classic, covering the highlights with behind-the-scenes stories from Kara who was on the call with NBC. They share their favorite moments and try to put some of the mind-blowing results in context. Then, they step into a full Chicago Marathon preview starting with the ...
Sep 26, 2023•1 hr 6 min•Season 1Ep. 21
This is Des and Kara at their finest, like listening in on two best friends shooting the s**t about their favorite sport. Yes, the recent World Championships in Budapest is the backdrop for the discussion, but they weave in so much more than just event recaps. Plus, Kara dishes all the behind-the-scenes, broadcasting tea, including the back story behind the now-infamous pic of a shirtless Trey Hardee on Instagram. Who's mad about it? Absolutely no one. Topics include a race recap from Des on her...
Sep 12, 2023•1 hr 14 min•Season 1Ep. 20
This is fun one. Recorded a few weeks ago, Des and Kara start with a mini-preview of the World Championships in Budapest, which is even more interesting now that we know the results. Then, they turn to an in-depth discussion of what it's like to be in the drug testing pool as an elite athlete. From mixing it up on the ones and twos (and we aren't talking about turntables) to the nuts and bolts of the whereabouts filing system, you get all of the gory details, including their favorite war stories...
Aug 29, 2023•1 hr 4 min•Season 1Ep. 19
You can't have a Nobody Asked Us episode without a pet update. In the intro, Des gives in an update on her puppy Rivers, and Kara details the history that led to a Bearded Dragon joining the Goucher household. Hi Margot ! Then, Des and Kara wade into the deep end to discuss recent track and field controversies involving New Gen Track & Field , potential hot weather at the US Marathon Trials in Orlando, and race bibs. Kara finds herself speaking for "The Man" (aka USATF) as Des tries to bring...
Aug 15, 2023•1 hr 2 min•Season 1Ep. 18
No... we aren't talking about petty criticism about pets, but rather pets as the perfect antidote for petty criticism while in the public eye. Des and Kara start by commiserating over what it's like to face public criticism and how it's evolved both pre and post social media. They recap their first memories of being affected by such criticism and talk about their various coping strategies through the years, including the potential satisfaction of watching their follower counts drop after an espe...
Aug 01, 2023•58 min•Season 1Ep. 17
This episode begins with Des and Kara commiserating over their hatred for midwestern, summer horse flies, and in true Des fashion, she finds a way to gain inspiration from them. Would you expect anything less from one of the most gritty and tenacious athletes of our time?!? Then, your hosts meander through a fun episode discussing the World Championships marathon and how it's different from the Olympics or a World Marathon Major. From field sizes to racing dynamics and the water station setup......
Jul 18, 2023•58 min•Season 1Ep. 16
Swifties and track nerds rise up! Fans of the Notorious B.I.G too. Oh, and lovers of puppies and those with July birthdays... this episode is for all of you! Kara recaps her experience at the Taylor Swift concert in Minneapolis. Des talks about her challenges reading the big "E" without glasses and trying to decide on the perfect puppy name. Then, they give you an event by event breakdown of the US Track Championships coming up at the end of this week (July 6th to July 9th). The intrepid among y...
Jul 04, 2023•1 hr•Season 1Ep. 15
In this episode, Des and Kara pay tribute to their support teams. As an athlete, you can't do it alone. It takes a village... you need agents, sponsors, coaches, family, medical providers, pacers, teammates, and, for Des and Kara, their husbands too. In this one, we learn the helpful and a little bit of the not so helpful from each member of the teams that helped make them champions. Plus, we learn that Des and Kara might secretly be pursuing careers to support the next generation in different w...
Jun 20, 2023•1 hr 5 min•Season 1Ep. 14
Listeners keep saying that the title is wrong, that everyone asked Des and Kara to start a podcast. That may or may not be true, but one thing that is definitely true: USATF and World Athletics didn't ask for this episode. They won't be listening even if they should. In it, Des and Kara talk about the state of the sport and how to draw in more fans. From small crowds and missing stars at the recent LA Grand Prix to confusing Olympic Qualifying standards and the highly inflated USATF CEO salary, ...
Jun 06, 2023•57 min•Season 1Ep. 13
You might think that two marathoners and a decathlete have nothing in common, and well, you'd be wrong. There's broadcasting, photo shoots, national teams, doggos, track 1500s, and eventually marathons too(?). On this episode, 2 x World Champion and Olympic silver medalist Trey Hardee joins his future marathon coaches for a wide-ranging conversation that covers the ups/downs of his career, the mental side of his 10-event sport, and the very difficult transition to retirement from track and field...
May 23, 2023•1 hr 35 min•Season 1Ep. 12
This episode has a little something for everyone. Des and Kara start by swapping medical war stories including the backstory behind Des's recent hand injury. Spoiler alert: She nearly lost her thumb in a boating accident but is going to be ok! Then, they jump into recaps of Boston and London where you get their takes on Emma Bates, Hellen Obiri, Sifan Hassan, Conner Mantz, Scott Fauble, Eliud Kipchoge, and so much more. Plus, you hear how Des felt about her race in Boston. At the end, Des and Ka...
May 09, 2023•1 hr•Season 1Ep. 11
In this episode, you hear the audio from Des and Kara's live episode recorded in Boston at the Brooks Hyperion House. In this conversation, Des and Kara announce the new presenting sponsor for the podcast - TCS Global - and then dig into stories from their book tours and from their long histories with the Boston Marathon. Fun anecdotes include Des telling us about the moment she knew she had arrived as an athlete in Boston. Spoiler alert: there was a security guard, a table, and dancing involved...
Apr 25, 2023•37 min•Season 1Ep. 10
In this episode, Des and Kara take you behind the scenes at the Olympics. Both Des and Kara have raced there twice. They share what it was like achieving their lifelong dreams and then living it out under all of the pressure of the Games. Spoiler alert: it's not all rainbows and unicorns. You will hear about the "Big O" camp, pictures with the President, the dining hall at the Olympic village, the infamous condom bowl, swapping podium gear with a medalist, the post-Games letdown, and so much mor...
Apr 11, 2023•59 min•Season 1Ep. 9
In this episode, Kara interviews Des on her new book Choosing to Run: A Memoir . The book tells the story of Des's 2018 Boston Marathon victory, woven together beautifully with the story of her life. In it, she reveals harrowing details about the 9 months prior to the race and how she didn't even know if she would make the start line. You think you know the rest of the story, but you don't. Buy the book, listen to this conversation, and be inspired!...
Mar 28, 2023•1 hr•Season 1Ep. 8
In this episode, Des interviews Kara on her new book The Longest Race: Inside the Secret World of Abuse, Doping, and Deception on Nike's Elite Running Team. You will have to listen and read to learn more, but Des and Kara talk about several elements of Kara's story including never-before-revealed details about her time with the Nike Oregon Project.
Mar 14, 2023•58 min•Season 1Ep. 7
In this episode, Des and Kara give their reactions on the indoor track season including the NB Indoor Grand Prix, Millrose Games, and the US Championships in Albuquerque. They talk about the implications of recent mind-blowing times on the future of the sport, thanks in large part to super-shoe technology coming to the track. Is it good for the sport and will there be a return to an emphasis on pure racing in the near future? Then, they go back in time to talk about the history of super shoes on...
Feb 28, 2023•1 hr 2 min•Season 1Ep. 6
What do Celestial Seasonings, fried eggs, and a bird with a backpack all have in common? Find out in this episode where you get to learn about how two introverts - Des and Kara - navigate the world of running celebrity, social media, broadcasting and now podcasting. And if you're an extrovert, they give some tips on how to keep your introverted friends happy and energized. Plus, learn more about the "why" behind each of their upcoming books.
Feb 14, 2023•1 hr 1 min•Season 1Ep. 5
In this episode, Des and Kara welcome their first guest - Lauren Fleshman. Lauren is a 4x individual NCAA champion and 2x US national champion. She placed 7th at the World Championships in the 5000m and is now a NY Times best-selling author. Her book - Good for a Girl: A Woman Running in a Man's World - is defining and redefining how we think about elevating women in sport. Des, Kara, and Lauren first give you a behind-the-scenes look into the book-writing process as Des and Kara also have books...
Jan 31, 2023•57 min•Season 1Ep. 4
In this episode, Des and Kara take you behind the scenes in the broadcast booth including how they both got into it and the good, the bad, and the really-freaking-hard about making it behind the mic.
Jan 12, 2023•1 hr 2 min•Season 1Ep. 3
Des and Kara share their hot (or perhaps medium?) takes on current events in the world of marathoning. Hear their opinions on the location of the Olympic Marathon Trials, the US Marathon Champs at CIM, Eliud Kipchoge doing Boston and so much more. Plus, find out if Des plans to run the 2024 Trials to try to make it to Paris. Stick around for the "tips" on goal setting and resolutions at the end.
Jan 12, 2023•1 hr 1 min•Season 1Ep. 2
Once competitors and fellow Olympic teammates, now friends and podcast partners, Kara and Des get to know each other in this first episode. We promise you will learn something new about them both!
Jan 12, 2023•1 hr 9 min•Season 1Ep. 1
