People coming in and creating.
Fictions about this that doesn't exist. Where's the videotape of anifcent island of X, Y and Z committing these frauds? Why haven't you given it to us?
Do you really think I wouldn't give that to you.
If it existed. I'm working my ass off along with the leadership at the Bureau and DJ to get you what we're allowed to give you. And you're going to get the video of the cell and you're going to see for yourself, and we will never be able to convince everywhere.
But we were told that the cameras were down. Well I don't know who said that, but that was in the news.
We're giving you all the footage we have.
So why wasn't that released like immediately? Why did this speculation escalate?
I think you'd have to ask who whatever The Attorney general back then was Bill Barr.
Hello, welcome back to the No Way Jose Podcast. I am your host, Jose gally Son. Today we are joined again by the great Nick Bryant. It's been a long time since you've having the show. Actually life the last time actually the only other time we had mon I believe was on already dead our call in show, so now it's just me and him a little bit more of a different format, and I think it calls for it, given what's going on in the current zeitgeist. I've been
covering it more than enough on my show. I am absolutely disgusted. I think this is the death nail the Trump administration, not that I really care for them much to begin with, but this is the moment and there is no better person to have on to talk about it, someone I consider a hero without much more ado. Let's go ahead and bring Nick in here. Hey, what's up, Nick, Pleasure to have you back on the show. Good to see you.
Hey, Jose glad to be back on the show.
Yeah, glad to have you back. Just for the purpose. I know most of my audience knows who you are, but you never know when you get the odd a onesie two ISI a new person to the audience, or they're not familiar with the things that I'm familiar with. Could you let our audience know who you are, and, at least particularly for the purposes of today's discussion, why you are a significant figure. You do play into the kind of the parlance that is Epstein. Although you definitely
aren't only contained to that. You've written extensively on the Franklin Scandal, the Watergate scandal, and numerous other things. I haven't read your Watergate book. I think it's only one of your books I haven't read. But for the most part, i've read all of the other stuff. You do have great work, and you are a great agent for truth. I think so. But if you could let my audience know just kind of fill in the blanks from i'd appreciate that.
I've been a journalist for thirty five years. I was in academia for five years prior to that, and I moved to New York City in nineteen ninety five, and I moved here and I just committed myself to being a freelance journalist writer. And in two thousand and two I started to investigate a pedophion network that flew kids from coast to coast, that was hooked up to intelligence that deployed blackmail. And what we're seeing today is Epstein
is kind of a carbon copy of that. The book was called The Franklin Scandal, a story of powerbrokers child to be some betrayal, And in that pedophon network, we saw tremendous malfeasance by the state of Nebraska and also by the federal government, as we saw tremendous malfeasance by the state of Florida and by the federal government in the Epstein case and the Franklin I spent seven years
on the Franklin scandal. I really wanted to prove its existence, and I had a very high bar for that, and I live in New York City, which is the mecca publishing, and I felt if I had enough proof, I really felt this that I could get a book published on it. And I gave the book proposal to my agent, and then my agent unceremoniously jettisoned to me a couple of weeks later, and then I gave the book proposal to another agent. It was very good, and he really did
try to sell it. All the doors were slammed, and that was published two thousand and nine, twenty ten. And that seven year investigation had taken a lot out of me to go as far into a child traveling network as I had gone, and just the unremitting darkness.
It takes a toll on your soul.
But I started reading about Epstein in twan twelve, and that he was getting massages from all these underage girls, and that a grand jury and Florida had declared that he hadn't molested a single underage girl. And that's exactly what happened in the Franklin scandal. Two grand juries declared that no children have been molested, even though scores of
children have been molested. And I don't know if your audience is familiar with the machinations of a grand jury, but a special prosecutor is chosen to oversee a grand jury, and he or she calls the witnesses that the grand jurors listened to, and he or she presents evidence to.
The grand jurs.
And the grand jurors are just people that have shown up for jury duty and been funneled to a grand jury. So a special prosecutor is in a unique position to twist the minds of the grand jurors. And actually there was a New York Supreme Court justice who said that's special prosecutors of grand juri's have so much power over grandeurs that they could get them to indict a ham sandwich.
And I was reading.
About Jeffrey Epstein molesting all these girls and then I was also saw that grand jury declared that he hadn't molested a single child, and that reminded me very much of the Franklin scandal.
And although I was somewhat.
Depleted in a lot of different ways, I went down to Florida and I did what I do. I start knocking on doors and start talking to people, and I ultimately got Epstein's Black Book on my first trip to Florida. And I came back to New York and I thought for sure I could sell a story on the Black Book. I mean, I didn't think that that would be a problem. So I was meeting with editors, and when I was meeting with editors and publishers for the Franklin Scandal, I could see the wheels go around.
I could see that they were thinking to themselves.
I do have to real quick not to cut off your flow. I do have to muse how funny it is now? I mean, maybe not funny, Maybe it's the wrong word looking back now, how essentially this bombshell story that it was just kind of like you were struggling to get it published. I just think there's a maybe a note for people there. And there's always this sometimes when conspiratorial thinking comes in people go, oh, well, if this was a thing, then this would happen, you know,
this would totally be in the media or whatever. So sorry, but I just had to note that, so go on, that is noted.
So I came back to New York and I was talking to.
Editors, I was talking to publishers, and I could see the cognitive dissonance.
Emerge before my very eyes.
They were thinking to themselves, this is really a horrible story, and all these children of them elasted. We need to help Nick Bryant, or I can write Nick Bryant off as crazy right now, and I don't have to worry about this anymore, and I can have a nice meal with my family tonight. So that's what happened when I was pitching the Franklin scandal. And that's what happened when I was pitching.
The Epstein scandal.
Even after I had acquired The Black Book. So I went to just about every publisher that I could, and I attempted to sell the Black Book in an article on in the Black Book, and finally Gauncter published the Black Book.
And by that time I had had flight.
Logs too, so I was the first guy to put the Black Book up, and also the first guy to put the flight logs up. And then once Gaunktor took a chance with the Black Book, then the floodgates opened. Tons of ink were dumped have been dumped on stories about the Black Book and the Passenger Manifest for that matter.
But the mainstream media just won't let me in. They will not let me in.
I in on lots of big podcasts, but the mainstream media just will not let Nick Bryant in to explain the Epstein scan, the Epstein scan, and and that's that's been kind of frustrating to me.
Mm absolutely, And you have I mean you've been this Hey, you've been putting out good work for a long period
of time. You really are a great example I think of time preference and how it could possibly pay off the long run because you've been slogging along and now you, in my opinion, are going to go on later to be, you know, one of the greatest journalists of our time, because you were one of the people that you know, we're on this, but I don't know, you don't always get rewarded with the with the with all all the
things with it immediately. Sometimes you have to defer gratitude and just kind of follow your own individual moral compass. So well, I hope.
If I do, if this does put me jettison me in this space, I hope it's not posthumously.
Yeah. Yeah, that's how we all hope. We all hope for greatness, and it's not bust homes posthumously. It's like, make sure you include that asterisk when you when you rub the lamp, the Genie lamp for that one. Uh. But uh, I mean sometimes it's just the way the cookie crumbles, and uh, I don't know. I think it. I think it says something about a man. But you know, there's there's definitely a you're an inter interesting character. At this point in time, this story has flourished into something
far more than I thought it would. This is Uh. The cynic in me has always thought this, there's gonna somehow, some way, some shape, some form get buried like every other scandal. But I don't know, I think, I don't. I just I don't know if it had the red I don't know if it's just the dynamic of the Trump, the thing that is Trump, the vibe that what you know, carried him through his twenty sixteen administration with these like bombastic type claims. In this way, he kind of outchads people.
I guess, uh if perhaps maybe he over asserted and he thought he could literally take this up into including things like pedophilia. I don't know, but I think common people take that and go, no, I don't know, this is kind of where we draw the line. Maybe we'll let you be bombastic about this or that. But there is a certain line, and they found it, and they
have been, you know, an entire administration. It seems like there was at least flirting that was a subtle way to put it, flirting with truth for Epstein, the Epstein files, the Epstein lists. Then now we have seen nothing but an entire kind of a whiplash of a one to eighty since they've been in power. And I mean, the only thing I can think is maybe they just thought that we could they could just kind of handwave it away fake news and move on. But I think this
might just be a bridge too far. And as I said in my intro, I think this will be the death knell of this administration. I do not see how they weather this. I mean, they have kind of masterfully if you want to attribute motive or or that this
is somehow being controlled. I mean, hell, we've had the I mean now we're at the government shut down, had the recess, and we had the Charlie Kirk shooting that just almost perfectly like sent manna, sent from above from God kind of delayed the inevitable, the the the I know this the calling that is the truth of the Epstein. Now, now do I think we're gonna get the truth? I just know. I don't know how this is going to manifest itself. I just think it's the death of the administration.
But we're we're in this unique time where we have multiple different forms of bureaucracy that seemed to be working for truth. We were talking beforehand kind of. So actually, the question I'm kind of driving out here is I'd like to know you kind of I guess if you want to give some comments, but also what legal avenues are there right now, because I think I know I run a daily show and I cover this stuff regularly,
particularly Epstein. Even even I I have a vague I know we have the we have the the discharge petition, which was I mean, I don't even understand the specifics exactly. I know, then that goes to Congress, and then that goes to the Senate, and then I forget exactly. We also have the subpoenas or the Democrat Oversight Committee. I don't know if there's maybe a more under a more manageable way for normal people to understand what the hell is even going on with all the different I don't
know gaggle of things going on here. Uh because and I guess I'll leave it at that. I've thrown enough at you already, but just I was thinking about that, just kind of to make the more understandable for people.
Yeah, some of the things that you said with Ebstein, we already know the truth. I mean, we really do.
We know that Ebstein was involved with intelligence, we know that there was blackmail involved, We know who many of the pimps are, and the New York Times did an article on six of the pimps. Glenn Maxwell was one pimp, Sarah Kellen was another, Leslie.
Groff was an other.
Adriana Ross was another Native Marson Cova, and Haley Robson.
Haley Robson was primarily used to get girls from the high school and middle school that she attended, but the other five Maxwell, Kellen, Graff, Ross, and Marsenkova, they were fully cognizant of that entire network, and if we really wanted justice, we could go after them and the child trafficking and the federal system is a heavy sentence and it's fifteen to life, and we could slap them with multiple kinds of child trafficking, unlike we did with Glenn.
We only slapped her with one and then they would roll on the perps. And there are hundreds of Epstein victims that would be willing to testify if they felt safe. So we already know the truth, and we already know who a bunch of the perpetrators are, and they've been picked around quite a bit in the media. People having the media. People in the media have an outright said they're perpetrators. But we know who they are, so that
we know the truth of Ebstein. At this point, we know the truth with the Trump administration, Epstein is like a Pandora's box and Greek mythology, Pandora was the first woman and she was given a box and she was told not to open it because a curse that would curse humanity would come out.
Of the box.
So the Bush administration, the Bush to administration constructed the box. They were the first ones that covered up Ebstein, then Obama, Biden, and then the first Trump administration.
They didn't touch the box.
But I believe that Trump thought that he could open up the box a little bit and then slam it shut. But once you open the box, you let the curse out. And Trump has let the curse out. And I fully believe that Pam Bondi in February when she said we're going to release the Ebstein files, she gave us a
nothing sandwich. And actually the black book that we published with Gacker, it we redacted the names of the adults and then under massage is kind of a euphemism for underage girls or number of them were underage, and there's one hundred and seventy five and many of them were underage girls. So we with all that information, it's come out.
But the black book that.
Pam Bondi released at everybody's name redacted.
And everybody's number redacted.
I released more incriminating information on Jeffrey Epstein's network in twenty fifteen than Pam Bondi did in twenty twenty five and I truly think that the Trump administration thought that it could give us something that was highly diluted and think that we would settle for that.
I mean, I don't think the Trump.
Administration really understood that people really want to get to the bottom of this story. And actually a lot of Americans are very cognizant of many of the many of
the facets of this story. So and then Pam Bondi said that she had been bamboozled by the FBI Field Office, that they'd given her incorrect information, and she blamed it all on them, And then she said that, and then she said that she had a truckload of evidence and that they were betting it at the FBI and the Department of Justice, and she said, only matters of national security will be redacted. So she keeps digging herself in
a deeper hole. Now she's got to tell us what a bunch of child molesters have to do with matters of national security and just the whole lie. All that stuff was taken from Epstein, the three hundred gigabytes or how many gigabytes they were taken from Epstein, And when Epstein was arrested in twenty nineteen. I mean, the FBI was saw on his safe open as as soon as it positively could.
And according to the New York Times.
There were hundreds, if not thousands of disks, and they were underage girls, and according to Business Insider, there were hard drives.
And Pam Bondy wants us.
To believe that the FBIID Department of Justice just started to look at all that material.
Within the last six months. I'm willing to bet everything that.
I had that FBI and DOJ and and probably a number of other alphabet organizations they were looking at that Jeffrey Epstein material that night and then the next day, and then the next night they probably.
Got triple overtime, so that it's a huge lie.
And then that July sixth document came out and said that there was three hundred gigabytes of information that was taken from Epstein's possessions and.
That there are over a thousand victims.
And I agree with that, But then it said that Jeffrey Epstein and Gallaine Maxwell acted alone.
Now and according to pan Am Bondi.
That a lot of that child abuse material had Jeffrey Epstein abusing children. So and now Cash Battell is testified before the House and the Senate, and he's saying that there's there's no other co conspirators. Everything is in under a contradiction to what Bondi has already said, and the administration just keeps digging itself deeper and deeper and deeper into an abyss of lies.
M all right, yeah, I agree with that assessment now, and now I would would just kind of maybe I'm missing some things, but what specific vectors of attack bureaucratically speaking, are we seeing currently, because like I mentioned, we have I believe, the Democratic Oversight Committee, which that's well, I'm sure, I mean, if you want to, we can, you know, break off into that the recent news there, but we have obviously the discharge and then some of the subpoenas
through which we got the birthday book information recently, which was kind of a huge revelation, although oddly, I know, like talking to normal people in my life, you know, some normal people, they weren't even aware of it. And I think it probably had a lot to do with the fact that the Charlie Kirk thing happened within probably forty eight hours or so, I believe, after the drop of it. So I think it kind of most normal people missed that piece of information, but for the people
looking into it, that was a pretty big deal. And we'll probably have to carve out a moment to talk about that as well. But what specific avenues do we have out there? Obviously, I know you have Epstein Justice as well too, so if you want to take a moment to talk about that, that would make sense. But so far as like what actual, you know, vectors of
attack are we seeing right now? And I also just kind of what are your thoughts about them in general, because obviously some of these things are being treated like they're going to be like the silver bullets, but I don't really think any of them are, but your thoughts.
Mike Johnson is the Speaker of the House. Trucuently, he's the third most powerful man in the country. A former Speaker of the House. Actually, the longest reigning Republican Speaker of the House was is Dennis Haster, who was a pedophile and actually had to do some time because someone was extorting him because Dennis Haster did preyed on him when Dennis Haster was a high school teacher.
But we've got another freak.
As the Speaker of the house and he When I found this out, I thought it was kind of mind boggling. He has an app on his phone called Covenan I, and his seventeen year old son has an app on his phone called Covenan and I, and that gives them the ability to monitor each other's consumption of pornography.
So you know for sure it goes both ways, because I've heard you speak about this elsewhere, because it's so For one, it's gross. Either way it's going Frankly, I mean, I'm a father and I don't know. I just wouldn't want to know that. But I don't know. I guess I could kind of wrap my head around it, at least from the father to the son. But I mean that's still even wrapping my head around it's still disgusting. So I just I don't know. I'm just curious where
you got that dead bit of info from. And if you, I guess if you are for sure it literally both father ands on can track the others. That is beyond bizarre.
Actually it was broken by Rolling Stone, I believe, but it's been published in a number of mainstream publications and him a Journey in the House early, so I couldn't vote on Massey's discharge. Petition was extremely agregious. Here is a guy that's doing everything he possibly can to make sure that there is an investigation in the Donald Trump. He wants to keep it so there's no wild cards.
And there's been subpoenas to a number of people that were part of this cover up, including Bill and Hillary Clinton. But the first one s a poena I believe was Alexander A. Consta, and he was the one. He was the US Attorney for Southern Florida that gave Ebstein his sweetheart deal. And Alexander A Consta testified that it wasn't that the deal that they gave Ebstein was you know, a standard deal and there was anything spectacular about it.
But here's the thing about that a Consta was the Department Justice was aware of at least forty underage Epstein victims. I've got a list of thirty six, but they were aware of at least forty. And I've got emails between the Assistant US Attorney, Emery Villa Fauna, and Epstein's attorneys, and it's very obvious that they're colluding together to make sure that Epstein gets his sweetheart deal.
And the sweetheart deal.
Was such a sweetheart deal that the Department of Justice, once it made the deal with Epstein, it sealed it. And it was in direct violation that Crime Victims' Rights Act, because according to that, it's a piece of federal legislation. Victims of crimes have to be apprized of the adjudication of their perpetrators, and they get feedback on whether they feel whether the sentences of the perpetrators they feel reasonable,
and they also get to confront the perpetrators. But the Department of Justice contravened all of that and sealed it. And there was a judge in federal judge in Palm Beach who Kenneth Merrow, who was a good guy, and he decided that it should be unsealed, and the Department of Justice appealed that, and then the Eleventh Circuit ultimately said that the document should be unsealed.
And what that document was that was then it.
Was called a non prosecution agreement, and it gave all of Jeffrey Epstein's.
Co conspirator's blanket immunity. I mean, just stunning.
And so Alexander Aconsta is telling us that that's just a status quo kind of deal that he made with Epstein.
I mean, he's lying his ass up now.
According to another report, Acosta was told that Epstein was intelligence and that he had to back off, and he has retracted that. But think about this, Epstein's running an international pedophile network. Is a US attorney going to go out on a limb and cover up a nationwide pedophile on network without being ordered to by his boss? And there's only two people in the country that can tell a US attorney to stand down.
One is Alberto Gonzalez, the other one.
At that time, the Attorney General was albertal Gonzalez and the President was Bush too. So Alexander's Acosta is not going to go out on a limb like that and cover up a nation wider international pedophile network unless he's told.
And Alberto Gonzalez, the Attorney.
General, He's not going to go out on a limb and cover up a nationwider international pedophile on network unless he's ordered to. So it's very obvious to me that President George W. Bush was the one that ordered that cover up. That's what I believe. I believe that for a very long time cost was lying when when he testified before the.
House by that very same logic. I think we can kind of come to a very similar conclusion. But for today's purposes, you mentioned George W. Bush kind of the way certain people are behaving, the only certain things being explainable for such things. You brought up that Acossa with his recent meeting with a Democratic Oversight Committee kind of his oh uh, yeah, we decided that that wasn't a worthwhile looking into, despite the fact I didn't actually, you know,
look over any of these individual witnesses whatever. And but the same thing is, I think it's interesting to note, and it was actually Tara Palmyer I think who noted made this connection first, and so it wasn't you know anything of mine. I don't know how it's used kind of two plus two. It's not like a great revelation. But that's the same thing Cash recently did in his recent ordeal going through the gauntlet of congressmen. Is he did the same thing. And we have this rolling rolodex
of characters. We have the Bondie, we have the Bongino, we have Cash, Hell, we have a Costa, we have bar But hey, you kind of named one of the top dogs but he's not the top dog anymore. At the end of the day. It's kind of like it seems like all signs point like this is coming from the tippy top that shut it down. I don't care
what it takes. We will anything whatever, up to and including multiple people being willing to in the most obvious ways lie to the American public about one of the most despicable things you possibly could lie to, like to the fact that it's like, I don't know, it's a It's like if I found we're like at like Nuremberg level, Like what if you were if you are somehow like against like what are you doing if you're a mouthpiece is somehow covering for this in any ways uniform it's
frankly insanity. And this is like pitchfork type territory for the American public. I think.
What we're seeing is the government protecting a system of politics. I mean, certain individuals are definitely being protected, but it's the same thing. But the Franklin scandal, what the primary thing that's being protected is a political system that's rife with blackmail. That I believe is what is being protected. I mean, there are definitely individuals being protected Mike Johnson might even be one of them, even though his name
hasn't come up yet in my investigations. But our political system has been rife with blackmail for a long time, and.
I talked about it in the Franklin scandal. I wrote a book.
I co authored a book called Confessions of a DC Madam, The Politics of Sex Lives in Blackmail about Henry Vincent.
And he ran a gay esque service in Washington.
D C.
Actually the largest gay escort service that's ever been uncovered, and he provided escorts to cissets who had useort the escorts.
To blackmail closet politicians.
And I also wrote a book called The Truth about Watergate, A Tale of incredible lies and liars. And at the heart of that and I can't believe that it's been covered up all these years. At the heart of Watergate is a CI blackmail operations. So and I've come across other CI blackmail operations in Washington, DC, and that is the problem right there.
Trump.
I don't know if Trump is compromised, and I don't know if people in his family or people close to him aren't compromised.
But Trump is definitely protecting political.
System that has really sure changed Americans for many, many years in so many different areas.
Speaking of compromise, I mean, we'd be remiss if we didn't take a moment to discuss the Epstein birthday books. And frankly, I mean you say, I'll be completely honest with you, I'll admit that I don't have sound evidence. But I said many times in my show, the past I know of handful of months have made me reassess previous information from the past, relook at things with fresh eyes. Not that I was ever some Trump guy, but I am. I think this dude did someself some dark, dark stuff.
But there's maybe maybe not. But the point being is, with this, you know, the birthday book, if we are believed that this is in any way credible at the very least, I mean, perhaps we can't say what exact untoward things were done, but I think any logical person should be able to walk away from this and realize this group of people did generousy borderline evil is basically ubiquitous with this click just kind of the way that I.
Don't think we wouldn't call it borderline evil when you're destroying the lives of little girls. Yeah, I mean that's well, some of them are are very very young, much younger than the fourteen year old.
Well, I was referring to the book and some of it's kind of vague in what it is, but it's definitely heavily alluding to something sinister, something something else. So so just I just kind of want to get your thoughts on that, I mean, wherever you want to take it. But just the idea that that dropped, I mean, I was, I was already thinking some pretty rough stuff about the president of that time and that dropped. And I'm not gonna lie, I was. It was one of those things
where id'ling. I was already thought things are pretty bad, but that was holy moly, Like you see Bill Clinton being the tame individual in that book, and you think, oh wow, this took a very dark turn. And I'm someone who already thinks the elites are doing some crazy stuff and this was Okay, I guess I'm I guess I'm cooking with fire here. So just your thoughts on the Birthday book. I just it's just nuts to me. I Mean, I don't really know what commentary there is to say other than that, So I'm.
Made a lot of words for the birthday book.
As I said, I think it alludes to some major evil, and it seems from the birthday book that there's some kind of gusto involved and molesting young girls, and I believe that that's evil.
Yeah, I agree, I agree. I just the way it's it's done cryptically is what I was trying to allude to. That it's not overtly like I mean, it's basically overt for anyone with a thinking brain, but it's like in such a way that if you brought it to the court of law, you could probably argue that it wasn't. So yeah, that's yeah, it's definitely evil, but just to be fair, all right. And then I think this also like another thing is you know, with the compromise question,
and then also this ties into the Acosta deal. We've had this Gallain pardon concept kind of sitting in the wing. I mean, do you think I mean, obviously I don't know if you have any sort of inside information, but just I really don't think it's outside the realm of possibilities. With everything we're seeing, I think it's frankly pretty likely they seem to be leaning into up to and including
legally speaking everything so far as the official narrative. And so if you know, if they didn't do nothing, then obviously that's saying that, hey, the government messed up, and they should also honor their word from before theoretically by this line of logic, and they should pardon her. Obviously, I don't believe that line of logic, but any thoughts that you find substive on just kind of the prospects
of a galain. I mean, I know she also got her prison change to be something far more amentable than what she was dealing with before. Hell, I think there was even a woman who got kicked out of there for complaining about it, kicked out of that nice jail. So she's being treated with kid gloves despite the fact that she, like I think you said, what was it forty some other people in that trial, you know, ruined the lives of young, young girls. Uh so, yeah, just people.
Let the Feds know about.
But there's there's hundreds of girls that have been destroyed by those people.
With Glene Maxwell her.
The Supreme Court is deciding now whether or not it's going to hear her case, and our Supreme Court, I think is very compromised. I've written about Clarence Thomas. People can go to my h M y nick Brian NYC dot com and I've got a long blog about Clarence Thomas and how he is a freak and how he is compromised.
So I don't know what kind.
Of adjudication is going to go down with Glenn Maxwell and scret but it's kind of interesting because her lawyers have held off on presenting her case to the Supreme Court. And the argument that they're making is that the deal that was made with the Southern District that gave all of Epstein's co conspirators immunity applies to every district, and that is generally the case, Like if a mafia turncoat gets immunity in the Southern District of New York, they
generally have immunity for the rest of the country. When Epstein was arrested in twenty nineteen, the Feds said that they didn't have to because he was arrested in the New York Southern District. That the Feds didn't have to adhere to. What had gone down in the Southern District of Florida was the rationale that they used to put Glenn Maxwell away. I hate to say this, but Glaine
Maxwell has a good case. I mean, she has a fairly solid case if you look at other people that have been granted immunity.
But I really hope she doesn't get immunity.
And before she was put in this push prison, she was cycled into dormitory living in that prison in Florida really quickly. And dormitory living is more or less say for people that have done time, that are getting that have been exemplary prisoners and are getting ready to be released. But she leap frogged over a lot of people and
ended up in dormitory living. So she even before this strange interview that she gave one of the Trump uh Department of Justice people, she had already been given preferable treatment.
Yeah, but Todd Blanche, Yeah, all right, we're today we experienced the first day of the government shut down. And now we mentioned earlier the recess they took where everybody ran back to Israel and then before they could vote on the discharge paperwork. Now we have this government shut down that seemingly is delaying a Now we're the earliest we're going to see maybe mid October. What are your also?
I do think it was meaningful. I think there were quotes at the time for the recess that there were people saying that they were actually it might even been Mike Johnson or others that straight up said the Epstein thing is why they were doing that. I mean, I could go find that later. I don't think we've seen any from this one. I think there's a little bit more at the heart of it. So I just kind of I just want to know your thoughts. Have you heard anything that does seem to imply this could be
the case. It's hard not to notice it at least that it's going to affect it, And then just kind of your thoughts on how this will affect the narrative going forward, if at all. What are your thoughts on that?
Well, the discharge petition that Massey and Kinda have introduced requires a majority in the House, and they have two hundred and seventeen votes.
They need two hundred eighteen votes. There was a election.
In Arizona about a week ago and Adelita Rojava was elected to the House of Representatives and she is absolutely going to sign, so there will be two hundred and eighteen signatures. And Mike Johnson doesn't want this to go down. It's very obvious that he's doing everything he can to make sure that there isn't a.
Discharge petition vote. But here's the thing about that. Even if you get.
Two hundred and eighteen votes in the House, it has to go to the Senate, and the Senate majority leader has to decide that it's going to be voted on, and then it needs a majority in the Senate. And Representative or Senator Chuck Schumer from New York put a rider into a defense bill that mandated a release of the Epstein files and also an Epstein investigation, and it was defeated fifty one.
To forty nine. So the discharge position would have to.
It's called House Resolution five to eighty one now, and if it's voted on and there's a majority, then it would become Then it would actually be introduced as a.
Bill one eighty five, and if that got a majority, then then it would go. As I said, it would go to the Senate. But the Senate has recently voted within.
The last two or three weeks on it, whether or not they feel it's Germanda released the Epstein files and an Epstein investigation, and fifty one senators voted against that.
So we've getten it.
So we've got two hundred and seventeen representatives and fifty one Senators that have voted against children that have been molested getting any kind of justice, which is really shows how sick and appalling our system is. But then if it makes it through the House, and it makes it through the Senate, then it has to be signed into law by Donald Trump.
So I really lowed the.
Efforts of Massey and Conna. I mean, I really do loud their efforts, but that is not the way to go. I've got an organization, it's called Epstein Justice, and what we want is an independent congressional commission to look into the Epstein case. And an independent congressional commission can actually have been used where Congress just doesn't want to deal with something and they give it to an independent commission to look into and independent commissions have really uncovered some
amazing stuff and what we would require. And when we first propose this at Epstein Justice, people thought our detractors thought we were deluded because it's going to require a majority in the House and a majority in the Senate, and it doesn't require the presidential signature at all. But we're fairly close to a majority in the House, and we're fairly close to a majority in the Senate.
I don't know.
I'm sure markers would be called in and people that are compromised would definitely vote it down. I mean, it would be a real battle. But at Epstein Justice we
are this is a grassroots movement and Lisa Rakowski. Tara Palmery reported and wrote an article about Lisa Mrakowski, who is a Senator from Alaska, and it discussed how Murkowski's husband had a business relationship with Glenne Maxwell and how it was a conflict of interest of hers to vote against releasing the Epstein files and an Epstein investigation in the Senate.
And we sent.
Out this week, we have a Federal Legislator of the Week and we set out sent out about eighty thousand.
We sent.
A flyer that has a picture of Lisa Murkowski and also the number to call, and we sent that flyer to eighty thousand people this week, and we're hoping that other people will know asseminate it amongst our friends.
And that's how we're going to win. We're not going to win.
I really believe that we're not going to win with this discharge petition because there's just too many ways that it can go wrong. Well, how we're going to win is an independent Congressional commission, and that's going to require Americans to put a tremendous amount of heat on their legislators.
But I believe that we can do it.
It's our country, you know, it is our country, and we have collectively decided as Americans that we don't.
Want children being molested with impunity. There was a CBS.
Poll that found eighty nine percent of Americans wanted full transparency with Epstein. I don't know what's up with that other eleven percent, but eighty nine percent of Americans. So, Mike Johnson and the two hundred and seventeen House representatives and the fifty one senators, they are voting against the American will. And we've experienced that a number of times where Obama he the American Americans wanted a single payer
healthcare system. And Obama had the House and he had the Senate, and we could have had a single pairent health system. But they gave us a lot of bullshit on and why they couldn't get it through, which is very troubling. So we've got and the perpetual wars in the Middle East.
Eighty percent of Americans.
Wanted out of those wars years ago, but our leaders didn't care. They just kept pumping money and armaments into the Middle East. So this is an opportunity for Americans to reclaim their country. And it's about children being molested. And according to the Centers for Disease Control, twenty five percent of underage girls and five percent.
Of underage boys in the US have been molested.
And people in the field think it's slightly conservative for underage girls and very conservative for underage boys. There was a study that found sixteen percent. That's probably too high. But if you just go with the seat see numbers, you've got over fifty million Americans that have been molested as children and I and the vast majority of them
will never see justice. But if we allow the Department of Justice to be unresponsive to victims in the Epstein case, a proven trafficking case, that sends a message to millions of victims that they've got no hope or any chance for justice. So that's another level why this is so important. It's all the victims of sexual abuse in this country need to see this work, so they think that they can at one point have a voice. Many of them
have just relinquished trying to have a voice. So with Epstein and an independent Congressional Commission, we can.
To the heart of this.
It's not going to be easy, but it's going to be worth it.
It's very simple, evestein justice. We have two objectives.
We want to know why four presidential administrations have covered up child sex trafficking, and we want the perpetrators to be prosecuted. Very simple. We have just two simple objectives and not easy, but simple, and we can get Americans behind that.
Because this.
Our leaders have done a masterful job at polarizing the right and the left. People on the right think the left is crazy, people on the left think the right is crazy. And I think that this is the one issue that can bring the right and the left together. Children shouldn't be abused with impunity and that the government shouldn't cover up child trafficking. I think that is the probably the only issue that can bring the right and left together.
Now, final question, I'd kind of like to ask you, essentially your prospects in the future with all this. I think you kind of struck at something with your with the essentially the idea of a kind of a lot
of these different legal actions. Essentially, if you're looking at specifically legally or what legislation come out of it, a lot of these may be somewhat for not at least from that aspect, but so far as the information that we're getting out of there, I think a lot of people are coming to realize what you know, I don't know, kind of seeing the government through a whole new different light, a very very very different light, and I think that's
going to have its effects and will. Obviously I want justice for these children, but sometimes you may have to be really, we may have to have some surrealism or what is the best we can get out of it. And while I know a lot of people you know, say may pooh pooh bringing awareness, but to some extent, bringing awareness is how we prevent this from happening in the future. And also, if there is any hope whatsoever at getting any sort of justice for these individuals, it
would be through this. And so I think some of the spectacle of all this this to that like, yeah, maybe ex legislation may not go through, but the very fact that you have people chattering about Oh my god, look at this birthday book, look at this. I think it makes difference. So just I kind of want to tie into your thoughts in the future, and sounds like you have some thoughts in that as well.
I disagree that awareness will help. We already have awareness.
We look at our awareness of the Catholic Church, look at our awareness of the boys guys, look at our awareness of Penn State, and who knows how many institutions we need to stop this now, this is going to be the best chance in our lifetimes and maybe ever to stop If you cover up a crime, I'm you're aiding.
And betting that crime.
So our government is aiding and betting child trafficking. And this will be the best opportunity, definitely in our lifetime and maybe ever, to stop the government from aiding and betting child trafficking. And there's been a lot of networks that have been protected over the years. I wrote about
one Epstein's another one. People contact me all the time talking about how they were trafficked and protected networks, and it's kind of heartbreaking for me because I'm one guy, I'm one investigator, I'm one journalist, and it's almost impossible for me. It is impossible for me to look into all the allegations that come my way. But I really believe that this.
Is something that we have to do now.
It's we already have awareness, and awareness is without action isn't going to help us. Now, it's time we have awareness, and we've had awareness of child abuse being covered up for decades. Now it's time for us to act. We need to act.
Well.
I appreciate you coming on, Nick, I'll respect your time. Lets you get out of here. I'd you very much like to pick your brain for a whole lot longer. We'll be sure to do that again at some point, maybe for some other topic. But I appreciate you joining us again today.
Nick.
You want to let people know where they can find you at any final thoughts, and then we'll get you out of here.
I would suggest that you check out Ebstein Justice dot com and you can join our organization. We have monthly webinars and actually we're people are coming together by states. We've got people in various states that are going to be facilitators.
And Ebstein Justice.
Is a grass grassroots movement and that's what it's going to take, is a grassroots movement and we're starting to get some momentum.
We're growing.
The labor rights movement in the early nineteen hundreds was not an easy fight.
There were children.
Working for next to nothing and coal mines and people being taken advantage of in unbelievable ways. Unions came out of that, workers' rights came out of that. It was a battle, but it happened. The civil rights that was started out as a grassroots movement and it was a battle, but.
We ultimately succeeded.
Women's rights again, another battle, but we ultimately succeeded.
So it's us.
This is the next social movement is American children should not be molested. And we're never going to be able to prevent all American children from being molested, but we can definitely, we can definitely make sure that the government never protects child molesters.
Again. We can do that. That's definitely possible.
And so I say to your audience to come to Epstein Justice dot com and check us out and sign up for our monthly webinars. We have a webinar coming up, I believe on the twenty third this month, and we invite everyone and we hope that you'll join us as we trudge this path to a better future.
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