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No Such Thing: Education in the Digital Age

The show is about learning with technology, the realities and exciting potential.

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The music in this podcast was produced by Leroy Tindy, a guest in episode zero. You can find him on SoundCloud at AirTindi Beats.

The podcast is produced by Marc Lesser. Marc is a specialist in the fields of digital learning and youth development with broad experience designing programming and learning environments in local and national contexts. Marc recently served as Youth Studies Practitioner Fellow at City University of New York, and leads a team of researchers and technologists for NAF (National Academy Foundation).

Marc is the co-founder of Emoti-Con NYC, New York's biggest youth digital media and technology festival, and in 2012 was named a National School Boards Association “20-to-Watch” among national leaders in education and technology. Connect with Marc on BlueSky @malesser, or LinkedIn.



What's with the ice cream truck in the logo? In the 80's, Richard E. Clark at University of Southern California set off a pretty epic debate based on his statement that "media are mere vehicles that deliver instruction but do not influence student achievement any more than the truck that delivers our groceries causes changes in nutrition." * So, the ice cream truck, it's a nod to Richard Clark, who frequently rings in my ear when I'm tempted to take things at face value. "Is it the method, or the medium?" I wonder.

The title, No Such Thing, has a few meanings. Mostly, it emphasizes the importance of hard questions as we develop and document the narrative of "education" in the US. For Richard E. Clark, the question is whether there's such a thing as learning from new technologies. For others, it might be whether there's a panacea for the challenges we face in this field. Whatever your question, I hope that it reminds you to keep asking--yourself, your learners, others--what's working and how so.

* Clark, R. E. (1983) Reconsidering Research on Learning From Media. Review of Educational Research 53(4) 445-459.

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Episodes

Immersive Experience & How We Get The News

Graham Roberts is the director of immersive platforms storytelling, and leads a team that explores virtual and augmented reality projects, as well as innovation in video and motion-graphics. Marc is joined in this interview by Kimari Rennis of DreamYard Prep High School in the South Bronx , a Gamer and Youth Journalist. Notes from this episode: Experience Graham's work with the NY Times: https://www.nytimes.com/by/graham-roberts New York Video Game Critic's Circle: https://nygamecritics.com/ Hos...

Feb 22, 201950 minEp. 52

Higher Ed and the Role of a Computing Culture

At the top of the last episode you learned about Mark Guzdial. Mark is a Professor in the College of Engineering at the University of Michigan. After his talk at Cornell Tech's "To Code and Beyond" I had a chance to sit down with Mark and ask what questions had bubbled up while I listened to his talk live. Probably my most pressing question: what you're saying is great, but we've all seen professors like you on youtube - Mark is a brilliant, animated, ukelele playing Computer Science professor, ...

Feb 06, 201943 minEp. 51

Computing Education as a Foundation for 21 Century Literacy

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Feb 04, 201938 minEp. 50

A Toolkit For Brokering Youth Pathways

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Jan 24, 201947 minEp. 49

Tackling Bowie and Syria Through Immersive Media

Vassiliki Khonsari : Producer & director specializing in interactive storytelling across screens (VR, Games, Documentary, Film) Independent Magazine calls her “One of the top ten filmmakers to watch”. Founding partner of iNK Stories, known for creating impact forward, immersive stories for global audiences. With background in Visual Anthropology, a Sundance fellow and member of Women’s Impact Network (PGA), Khonsari mentors and contributes to many organizations on reframing diversity, emergi...

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If Bruce Lee Was a Maker

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Jan 02, 20191 hr 11 minEp. 47

Connie Yowell & Kylie Peppler Talk LRNG

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Dec 13, 201857 minEp. 46

Code of <b>Ethics</b>

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Dec 06, 20181 hr 25 minEp. 45

Cramming for Ethics in Tech

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Nov 29, 201850 minEp. 44

Anya Kamenetz: "What The Times got wrong about kids and phones"

At the end of October, the New York Times ran a series of articles on kids, parents, and screentime . It looked at trends among parents, largely around the Silicon Valley in California. When I read Anya Kamenetz's response in the Columbia Journalism Review, titled What the Times Got Wrong About Kids and Phones , I had to reach out and see if she'd be willing to talk. I think her perspective on this issue is extremely important. Anya Kamenetz is NPR's lead education blogger. She joined NPR in 201...

Nov 16, 201858 minEp. 43

The "M" in STEM

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Oct 19, 20181 hr 12 minEp. 42

Competency X

Del Lago Academy is one use case that shows the potential of alternative credentialing (or digital badges) for reforming assessment in the digital age. If you're a K12 professional, a funder, or a education technologist that's been following the conversation on Badges for Learning, you don't want to miss this conversation. Alec Barron is the lead behind Competency X, a project that's already engaged teachers, local industry, and higher ed in a serious conversation about how competency-based prac...

Oct 05, 20181 hr 14 minEp. 41

Sex Ed In the Digital Age

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Sep 19, 20181 hr 14 minEp. 40

Video Games With My Teacher - Part 2

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Sep 05, 20181 hr 15 minEp. 39

Video Games With My Teacher - Part 1

This episode is another two-parter and it’s something of an experiment. If you listen to both episodes, it’s two hours of gameplay, and talk about games in learning, play, popular titles, a takedown of the Fortnight franchise by young Game Reviewer, and Rudy Blanco's student, Kimari Rennis - I can’t wait for you to meet Kimari - we talk about diversity in games, we define some terms, sidetrack a bit into mythology, and so so much more. Here’s the bottom line, though. If you’ve never played video...

Aug 28, 201854 minEp. 38

15 Years of Games For Change

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Aug 02, 20181 hr 3 minEp. 37

Dr. Gretchen Givens Generett

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Jul 20, 20181 hr 40 minEp. 36

Follow-up on Autism & MakerEd With Dave Wells

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Jul 11, 201822 minEp. 35

MakerEd & Autism

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Science Communication

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Jun 22, 201837 minEp. 33

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Episode 31: "Break All The Rules"

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Jun 07, 20181 hr 23 min

Episode 30: Manhattan Make-A-Thon

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May 30, 20181 hr 15 min

Episode 29: "Media Manipulation and the Online Far-Right"

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May 09, 20181 hr 19 min

Episode 28: If Grades Were Hyperlinks

Marc talks with distinguished learning scientists Katie Davis from University of Washington , and Barry Fishman of University of Michigan about "badges," also known as digital, micro, and alternative credentials. The group discusses the potential for technology to reframe the experience for learners of demonstrating "achievement" throughout their education and development. If you like this episode, subscribe to No Such Thing on iTunes, Stitcher, and Google Play. If it's not available on your fav...

Apr 25, 20181 hr 23 min

Episode 27: Other Technologies, Part 2

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Apr 19, 201856 min

Episode 26: Other Technologies, Part 1

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Apr 12, 20181 hr

Episode 25: What If a High Tech High School Isn't an Option?

Dov is back, chatting with Marc about the process of "school choice" in NYC, and how he's dealing with the prospect of his non-high-tech options. Joining with her sage advice is Geneva Hayward, recently admitted to NYU's Game Center for a BFA, Geneva offers her ideas about how to blaze your own high tech path when school doesn't offer it. Both students are generally happy with their schooling, but weigh in on where to find ways to supplement the experience, and what's lacking about the process o...

Apr 04, 201851 min

Episode 24: Ten Years of Emoti-Con!

Three members of the Emoti-Con, NYC, Steering Committee join the show to talk about the event's anniversary. Amanda Perales, Christin Velasquez, and Meredith Summs talk about NYC's biggest showcase for young designers, makers, technologists, and tinkerers who believe in digital innovation as a tool for positive change in the world around them. 2018 will be Emoti-Con's 10th year! If you like this episode, subscribe to No Such Thing on iTunes, Stitcher, and Google Play. If it's not available on yo...

Mar 28, 20181 hr 20 min

Episode 23: Pivot Tables & The Broken Promise of Higher Ed

Kalani Leifer is a former high school history teacher and the founder of COOP , a fast-growing non-profit that supports cohorts of 1st generation undergrads entering the workforce. Together, he and Monica Guzman, Program Manager and alum of Cohort 1, are evolving a model aimed at supplementing skills that prepare students for high tech jobs. Who knew that basic software remediation might be what stands in the way for many. But the biggest difference for 1st gen students they say? "Literacies" th...

Mar 19, 20181 hr 6 min
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