Teresa Palmer And The 10 Page Letter That Changed Her Life

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Hi, I'm Kate Lanebrook. Welcome to No Filter. Teresa Palmer is an open book in the most generous, heartfelt way, whether she's sharing stories on her podcast, The Mother Days or offering wisdom through her best selling book, The Zen Mama Guide to Finding Your Rhythm in Pregnancy, Birth and Beyond.

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This is Teresa Palmer.

Well, Teresa Palmer, Welcome to Mama MEA thank you.

I have been a big fan OFS for a very long time.

Oh look, every softime we see you like our Instagram post and we do get quite excited because we're a big fan of yours as well.

I'm I legit, I am a super fan.

And I've listened to so many of the podcasts, the True Crime podcast I've listened to every episode.

Oh I'm really.

Caught up ringing in doors. So last time I saw you you was last night walking the red carp at the State Theater, up on stage with just a casual Leanne Moriarty to your right, launching your new series in a beautiful gown, full hair and makeup, And I wanted to ask you about the logistics of that because I know you have four children at home and another on the way. Yes, when you're doing these big traveling press stays,

So I'm actually expecting our sixth baby because I have a step son as well, who was there last night. Oh lovely, Isaac Raicht Isaac exactly. He's about to be seventeen and he lives in America most of the time. He's at a very academic high school, so he doesn't get to venture to Australia that often. But it just so happened that he flew in the day of the premiere. So I was like, right, you're coming with me, first time on the red carpet with him and the boys.

They're five and three.

Yeah, maybe not that first episode, I know.

I was like even my eight year old when there's the scene that I make out with when he was like ooh.

Oh rosum and I was like, oh, I'm so sorry, I forgot about that part.

But we have yeah, we have three rooms, hotel rooms.

Isaac's about to be seventeen, He's got his own room.

And then we have to do adjoining rooms, suitcases everywhere. Kids on one side, well, the boys on one side, the girls in the bed with Mark and I with a trundle bed, and it's musical beds, like all night, everyone's moving into a different bed at some point. My husband ended up on the single bed last night and I had three kids in my bed.

Anyway, that's the way it is.

Like's not a glamorous lead, and in the best possible way, I'm bring them all with you.

No, it's just that's how we figure it out, is we just make it work. Usually my mom's with us, so it's easier, but this time around she was back and Byron, so luckily I rang this nanny agency that I love and was like, do you have anyone available? Yeah?

And I wanted to take you back to the beginning before we're walking these premieres and having these world premieres of your new show of growing up in Adelaide and I'm assuming in you know, a smaller town in Australia, so far removed from Hollywood, in that industry and that glam life. How do you go from a young girl living in Adelaide dreaming of that and I'm assuming just like you know, normal family, no famous relatives in the background, willing to step in or anything like that, how do

So I grew up moving between two homes, actually three homes. My dad had two houses because my stepmom also has children, and so her kids would stay in one house and her and her ex husband would rotate to keep her sons in that house, so I would rotate with them, which meant that every second week I was in a different house with my dad, and then with my mom. We grew up in housing trust units and so we

I just thought, all right, if this.

Is my dream, And it sort of dawned on me at eight or nine that I wanted to do this.

I watched a movie called a Little Princess.

Oh yes, a classic.

A classic Alfonso Curan. And back then, I don't know if you remember, but on the DVDs or the VHS, there'd always be this little like behind the scenes where they would do the making off.

All the little featurettes, the featurettes.

Yeah, And I saw the featurette and saw this little girl on set and saw her like having all this fun and being, you know, on camera and playing with these other little girls, and.

I was like, I want to do that. I want to be an actress.

And that sort of planted the seed at such a young age, and I just banged on about it for so long to everyone who would listen, I'm going to be an actress.

Yeah, I'm going to be in Hollywood.

I'm going to be represented by the same agent as Nicole Kidman.

That was like my statement.

And then eventually I convinced my dad to give me acting lessons and he said he would do it, and so he paid for me to have acting lessons at a local acting agency. When I was sixteen. Wow, and I just started auditioning for things. And I always say this to people who want to get into the film industry. I was yes, and I was like, there is a student film. I'm not getting paid any money. Cool, I'm just going to go and have that experience. Like, oh, there's a tiny little short film, I'm going to go

Another conic in a different way.

Yeah, iconic horror films.

And I was pool party person in the background and I remember being there watching everyone and watching Nathan Phillips and this the lead actress. Her name was Kesty Morassy and she was so brilliant. She was so brave she had to act drunk. Remember watching her as an extra, thinking, oh, she's not embarrassed, she's just out there, she's trying things. She's so big and bold and like, look at her go so uninhibited.

And she was really excellent.

And the first ad at the time would sort of tell.

The extras what to.

Do, and I didn't listen, and I thought, in fact, I want to get in front of the camera, like I'm going to start splashing lead guy and Nathan Phillips in the background and try and get on camera. And so you actually see me kind of in the background, leave the spot I was meant to be standing in like way way far back, and I come and I start interacting with the lead guy and I actually ended

Because that film had quite a bit of international acclaim and got a lot of attention. Is that how you were able to get your agents in America and stuff? And I've heard you tell a story where you walked in and said, I really want to do this. I love acting, but I'm going to be a mom. And it's really nice. I didn't turn your way because in some places they'd say, well, if you're not completely committed, which obviously you were.

Well it was just it was my truth. And I think because I was nineteen and I was just bold and brave, and I just landed in America. I just got with this incredible manager. His name's David Seltzer. I'm still with him today, and he really believed in me. And I really had only done at that point this little student film, and I had booked what I had and Churchill Brown from Shanahan, who was in fact Nicole

And they all thought it was a joke. They were kind of looking at each other.

Like, oh, she's doing it aha, like.

Lol, And then my manager's like, no, she's actually serious, like she's just letting you know she wants to.

Be a mom as well. And I don't know what it was.

I just thought I should announce it at the time, let them all know. But at least I planted that seed early on, and so I was never met with any real disappointment. That's prosative agents, and I'm perpetually pregnant, like I'm all, I will not stop having babies.

So for them it's a little bit like, oh, she's pregnant again.

Here we go again.

But you could give them a heads up so they can't say anything about that.

I was like, you know who you signed. I mean, I told you from day But do you know what a great blessing to be able to do both things?

Yeah?

Exactly, to live out both dreams and I get to do this in tandem. I don't have to give up either of them. And I did think after my first child, I thought.

Well, this is it.

The opportunities will dry up, and that's okay. I'm so fulfilled in what I'm doing, and even if I get to go and do one job every couple of years, I'll still be really grateful for that.

And I found that I actually had the opposite fact.

Really, my career really started gaining momentum after I had kids.

Which so interesting. Do you know if there was a correlation there Is there something like that you're putting into your work, or is there something maybe like a depth of characters you get into when you were talking to directors, because you do hear these horror stories, not just in the film industry. I think every woman at the moment is in that crossroads of like it's career or parenthood.

Well, I did have that anxiety that, oh, this is it, and I chose to have kids right at the peak of my opportunity. So Warm Bodies had just come out, and it was such a big break for me internationally, and I was like, now it's haid to have a baby. Oh I was twenty seven. I think I was really nervous, But then suddenly all my eggs weren't in one basket.

I was really fixated.

And had such like an obsession with this dream I had wanted my whole life to be a mum and something that my nana, who's like a was always such a great mentor for me. She had eight children. She was like, right before she passed away, she said, I know that acting is so exciting, and I know that you are going to reach.

All of those goals.

But knowing you and knowing who you are and the spirit of you, like you your true your truest dream is to be a mother. And I was like, You're so right. And once I had that baby, it was like everything was for him, about him, it was it was everything to me. And so suddenly the auditions weren't as scary or I didn't put too much stock in any of these things, whereas I think pre babies, it was like, this is all I have, This is the trajectory of my career. And I got really fixated on

Maybe because the nerves weren't there because it wasn't like life or death exactly. Yeah.

Absolutely, And then I started booking these bigger and bigger jobs. Yeah, I was like, oh my god, I can just bring my baby. I can bring my baby with me and I can still can cotinue to breastfeed and have that relationship. And I will say that not everyone has afforded that opportunity. And I was able to bring my children to work and given the space to breastfeed on demand and to be and nurture my child and have my child there, and I understand what a luxury that is, and I

I know that that's a rarity, yes, but also I think it's good to share different realities. Otherwise we're just looking at these very glossy pictures of people and thinking how are they doing that? That's why their life is different to mine. Is that something that you have written into a contract or you tell production beforehand, I'm going to have my kids there, I'm going to need to breastfeed. I'm assuming that's not on a schedule, so you need

Not really. You do have meetings with producers and I always talk about it, and especially in those earlier days, mean I'm pregnant again, but my youngest is three, so she hasn't really been nursing on demand for a while, so things are a little bit different nowadays. But definitely in my contract, I have way more airfares than the majority of actors, so I've.

Got to fly the whole family.

Fly the whole family, or at least you know, they'll fly half of them and I fly the other half.

So there are certain things like that which I.

Thought it would mean that if they were picking out of two actors, I would be the less interesting choice, because it meant I'm more expensive because I have a big family, and also then the housing situation I need instead of just a hotel room for myself. I come with a housing need where like my mom lives with us, my husband, I've got all these kids, so usually I need at least a three We can make a three bedroom work three bedrooms? Who can make work?

Four bedrooms is ideal?

But yeah, so I thought all of that would go against me. And actually it's one of the reasons I'm so grateful to Bruna pap Andrea. She not only gave me, she's the producer of this show the last anniversary, and I know.

She produced your show, Your Mom and Me.

Yeah, but she has advocated for me and has been my biggest supporter, and she keeps hiring me no matter how many children I have. She keeps hiring me and encouraging others to do so too, And I'm truly grateful for that.

Oh, that's a lovely side of the industry that you don't hear as much. That's very nice. Yeah, and you're talking about booking those first big roles those studio movies Warm Bodies, which I loved, by the way, I wanted to sort of know what was like in that moment when you're starting to book these blockbusters and you're starting to be catapulted this different part of fame. I remember when those movies were coming out and seeing photos on

It's pretty surreal, I would say, really exciting. Just felt like a well wind. And in fact, I have quite a bad memory because so much happened to me in that period of time. It was travel every week, it was events, it was press, it was different photoshoots, and like not sleeping so much, and just this wild, adventurous life. And because I jam packed so much into that period of time, I'll often forget about amazing experiences. Someone will remind me, you remember when we're in Paris and we're

It's all being cataloged on for you.

Catalog I was like, oh my god, I was there.

I do remember that. And so that's that's kind of this idea of this whirlwind. It just was kind of happening to me and I had so much energy, and I.

Just was enthralled.

It was so unbelievably exciting, and I loved every most moments of it. Not all of it, of course, I've had my share of, you know, hardships in the industry as well, but so much of that I just was rimming with gratitude. Really, that's always the word I keep coming back to. It's just it happened. That thing that I wrote about in my journals from such a young age, it actually happened. And now reading back, I found all my journals.

Just really, have you been rereading them?

I've been rereading everything, and I have journal done memorily. Yeah, from the year two thousand until like twenty fifteen. I have a book for every year, and reading like I'm going to be doing this. These are the people I'm going to be working with. This is what my life's going to look like. And there's a lot in there where I'll say, if you are reading back on this right now and you've made it and you've created this dream life, like sixteen year old me is very proud of you.

There is more to my conversation with Teresa Palmer after this short break. We talk about first loves and then finding everlasting love. We'll be right back. What was the most surprising thing that you found in there? Like a memory that you'd forgotten that came back to you.

Oh, just so that was a bit of a desperado and love.

Was until your first serious relationship, you remember.

I wish I could go back to that nineteen year old self where she was like in love with this boy and he wasn't really messaging her back very much, and she was like, well, I decided to message him again tonight and I didn't hear back.

And I then.

Cut to like a few days later, like, well.

I still haven't heard from him, but I thought that I would just congratulate him on this particular thing. And I was like, girlfriend, why why are you still pursuing this person and he's not showing any interest.

That has been the funniest thing.

I've actually been reading it out to my teenage son and I'm.

Like, learn a lesson here. Yeah, I was like, learn a lesson.

So there's just funny little tidbits like that that I'll read and certain parties I went to when I was younger, and experiences I had, and just the person I was back then she's not too dissimilar to who I am now, but there's just so many things I wish I could go back and be like, you can let that one go.

You can just feel so high stakes at that age. I mean it does sound too but like nineteen, when you're first love, it all feels like it'll be life and death, life and death.

It's so endearing, but it's also like informative for me because my kids are going to be entering these ages and I want to remember what it was like to feel like it was the end of the world with your best friend wasn't talking to you at school, and so it's good. It's it's like such a precious thing to have these journals.

Oh that's really beautiful. And I'm glad you talked about your first love there because I want to ask you now about your your everlasting love. I'm assuming with your husband Mark and the beautiful relationship you have. Is it true just before you met him, you wrote a manifestation list of the person that you were looking for. Did he fit the bill? It was one of those things you had to just throw the list down and think, well, I've got to go with this man. I'm in love with now.

Yes, it's totally true, and he fit all ten pages.

Ten pages, ten pages. My goodness.

So I had gone through this really painful breakup and I was actually hanging out with a group of people who are really like deep in self development work and spirituality and mobile. The singer Moby happened to be one of them, and he was really instrumental in my early years. I listened to his album on repeat all the time. In fact, I would sleep It was my sleep song

Just a casual castle, just.

A casual castle, and he would do these really cool things in the dar it was you'd turn off all the lights and so it was like sensory deprivation, so you couldn't see anything, you couldn't hear anything. It was

Well, you know, I grab up Catholic.

I didn't know so much about meditation, but I always felt so connected to myself after these sessions. And then I found this idea of the law of attraction and I started looking into that. And so because I had had this like awful relationship, I was like, I'm just going to try this. And I got very very specific in what I wanted and I called it in as

And so I wrote this all out.

And the stuff that I was studying at the time was like, Okay, now, you can't fixate on this.

Now.

You got to sort of put it out to the universe now and put these pages away somewhere in a draw. Don't fixate, let it go. And I did, and three months later I met my husband randomly online through Twitter on twew.

You just don't hear those stories from Twitter all the different social platforms. It's usually where you find a troll. You got catfish, like, this might be the one Twitter I love story.

I know, I know, we always say like the modern day love story through social media. At the time, I was like in a really sad place. I was at the Bowery staying at the Bowery Hotel in New York, which is like the famous hotel in New York, with my friend Brooke. But I was so desperately lonely and sad because of this heartbreak. And I happened to look at this trailer because I was like, I'll just kick.

Myself when I'm down, Like, what is.

Another actress up to that's doing better than me and her career is.

Better than mine?

Like, oh, I know, I'm going to google what Amanda Seafred's up to. Oh, look, she's got another movie at sundown, so of course she does amazing.

Good for her. So I watched the trailer for her.

Movie and I was like, oh my god, that is so beautiful, my cooleous movie.

And I was like, Oh, I'm going to.

Tweet about this. I was just so moved by this trailer. So I tweeted about it and I was like, oh, I'll put the filmmaker's handle in there, and it was my husband. It was his movie, and I put his handle in there at like mark and I was like, everyone should check this out.

This looks so beautiful. Put it out there.

And then he started messaging me. He slipped into the DMS and was like, Oh, I'm an admirer of your work and I was like, oh, and my friend Brooke, thank god, she's one of my good friends. Now. She's so cool and in the know of like who's who and like the underground art scene and she was like, don't you know who that is?

What?

No, who is this person?

And she was like, you've got to hear his story. He was a homeless kid and he made him his way out of his situation, and he's like been on Broadway and he's worked with all the greats and he's like really revered in the indoe in this underground acting scene and I was like, oh my god.

Really, she was like, you've got to DM him back. This is so hot.

You've got to hook up with this guy like anyway, So I had my and he's always thankful to Brook for just being.

Just stilitating that and getting it all totally.

And then that's that's kind of how it happened.

We just wrote letters, love letters to each other for forty days actually just over email, until we met in flesh, and we had already fallen in love through our writing at that point when we go on, I.

Hope this has been turned into a movie. I know you guys collaborate a lot, so I feel like that should be on the list of potential projects. I know it hope out there.

Do you know? It's really beautiful and it's nice to fall in love with a person's way rather than just like the way they look or sexual chemistry or whatever. It was just like a really deep understanding of each other before we even were in person for the first time.

Well, and has that really set the foundation for when now you are as parents and working this crazy industry, because I feel like you've been so open about your relationship and the ups and downs, and you've talked about it publicly on your podcast, and you've done interviews and in your book, and there's I'm a big fan of your podcast some other days. By the way, I'm not a mother myself, but I take a lot away from

I think Mark has always really been proud of his story, and he feels like he wants to be of service. He grew up being of his mom still is the head of the Poor People's Army in Philadelphia. She lives in the most violent neighborhood in all of America, and she dedicates her life to, you know, putting homeless people into these takeover houses and making sure that they have

Really because everyone had that really visceral reaction to it.

We have been stopped on the street for those episodes more than anything, really more than our movies.

I would believe it that.

Actually, it was so profound the way he opened up, and also we really talked about our marriage and the ways in which both of our unique conditioning in our childhoods inform our dynamic and our patterns, and how there can be a certain level of toxicity in patterns when they get ignored, and just the observation of a marriage dynamic is really integral. And thank god, we've both done so much work in ourselves that when we get into a fight or when you know, as we described it

I mean we still have fights.

All the time. I'm like, ah, I get annoyed and he gets annoyed at me, and but we've made it work. We get through it, and we up level each time we have a conflict, there's an up leveling that happens, and that's how we see it. So but it's been wobbly. There have been times where it's like we're not going to make it, but then we do.

Is it also nice in a way to have a bit of control over the narrative because the thing is like, if you're not putting anything out into the world, media or tabloids or fans can kind of create their own stories.

Yeah, Well, it was funny.

We were shooting a movie, so I was producing a movie in the early days. I was twelve weeks pregnant with our baby, our first baby, body, and I was financing.

His new movie.

And we had only been together at this point, not very long, maybe not even a year. Wow, But I.

Mean, you've got the manifestation list working.

And what had happened was we were filming the movie and then I found out that he had picked up again and that he was deep in a relapse. But a part of the addictive behavior is to conceal and to manipulate and lie to preserve the thing that you have, which is for him. It was this relationship, and there's sort of a certain level of self sabotage that happened sometimes, I think with addiction. And I did not at that

But this is not the narrative.

This is not the story, This is not what I pictured for us, like I just the it felt way too overwhelming and they snapped these photos. But luckily because we happened to be shooting that day and there were some like cameras around, the Daily Mail was like, Oh, they're filming, they're practicing for a scene, they're rehearsing, and I was like, Okay, I'm good that that's just maby

Isn't my life like that? If I just had that one thing, I would be happy. I think it's what we when we look at fame and people living their dream careers. You always think, if I just had that, I'd be happy. And as I interview more actresses through my career or all actors, or you always find there's always something. There's so many different layers to that success.

Yeah, and I you know, I feel like I had an epiphany just recently, Like I was working on this show mixtape, and I was sitting on this log and we were about to shoot the scene, and I was sitting next to my coastar Jim Sturgis, who I had watched in Across the Universe and I'd seen him in twenty one, and it's like the wind was blowing, there were birds, and we were outside on this crew and I just was like, oh my gosh, I am living my dream, like right here in this moment. It just

It must be very nice for your kids to grow up in that environment where you're having that mindfulness and you're and having these conversations and even thinking they could go back and listen to your podcast and you know, one day and see that even that moment where you realize your parents are real people, Like there's a little long time where they're just your mum and they exist just for you and your dad, and then you get to that moment where you realize they're a person with

Yeah, and we talk to them about all this stuff, like if Mark's ever feeling low or going through a particular thing where he's missing his dad or he's thinking about his childhood. He is so open with these children. He just sits and he's like, you know, Dad's feeling pretty sad right now, and I want you guys to know that, Like it's really normal to feel sad and to cry and to have big feelings and feelings come

Is kind of what they tell you in a Catholic primary school. I can relate. Yes, Yes, there was still so much more to unpack with Teresa. So after the break, she opens up about friendship, both in life and in the industry, and her decision to share deeply personal moments, including the experience of pregnancy loss that's coming up next. So coming from that love that you have with your

I think the special thing about Phoebe is we've known each other for so long and I have been her biggest cheerleader for years and years and years, and I have and I know she has too. We've both been waiting for the moment for, you know, just the industry to sort of catch up and recognize Phoebe is such an immense talent. Oh yes, and she has such a

Well, No, I saw the surprise on your face. I believe you.

I was practicing backstage in case she won, because I had a feeling because as I've seen the show, and I was like, she's so deserving. So I was practicing saying her name in a relaxed way. Okay, just like, and the winner is Phoebe Tonkin. That didn't happen. That did not come across, and that did not come across.

I really tried.

Then it came out and it squeaked out of me, and I sort.

Of squealed it like sort of screamed out of me.

And then afterwards I saw some of the other nominees who I know in that category, and I was like, I'm so sorry. I just got so excited. I just didn't. It just burst out of me and championing her and her being my biggest cheerleader over the years too. It's just been such a comfort because you can ride the waves of Hollywood and there are peaks and they're are valleys,

That's really lovely because you do hear I mean every industry, but you do hear horror stories from Hollywood of especially this idea that there's one leading lady or ever. It's so cutthroat. And yeah, I think it was last year that Sydney Sweeney gave an interview to Vanity Fair and she's like, all that stuff you hear about women uplifting women is not true. And then all these other actresses

Yeah, it feels Australian to me.

Yeah, I was like, we're just like you know that Aussie matship things a very real thing. And I love them and I want the best for them and I want to see them shine, and I know they feel the same about me. So it's just a gorgeous it's a gorgeous thing, and maybe it's a rarity, but it's definitely our experience. And it's been really beautiful.

You've talked in the past about pregnancy loss and written so beautifully about it in your book, and then last year sharing another story of pregnancy loss with I thought the way you did it was really interesting to share

I think it's both things. It's like really vulnerable and scary. Did I make the right choice? Because now also my pregnancy announcement keeps being linked back to my pregnancy loss, like the it can't be two separate things.

It's everything.

The media is like she's had a loss and now she's pregnant.

So there's a part.

Of me that thinks, oh, goodness, did I make the right choice?

But I know that I did, because well, we just read those comments, and you know.

Exactly it was the comments, and I read all of them, and I spent days love hearting every single one and trying to write back to as many as I could. But I also acknowledge that I have four beautiful, biological, healthy children that I was able to get pregnant with and grow and birth and they're healthy, and that already

I just have all these children.

But also I suffered a loss, and I thought I was having this baby. I mean, you get pregnant, and I think I took it for granted because I haven't had that experience before. I did very early on. I had a mold of pregnancy back in twenty fifteen, but I was about six weeks pregnant. And it's for me, it's the breaking up with the dream that the dream of who this baby is, when they're going to be born,

We dedicated an entire chapter to pregnancy.

Yes, yes, and so it's a really beautiful chapter.

Thank you.

It really kind of hits you for people who have been through that and for people who have that, for people in their lives and want to have a small idea of how to support them through it.

Yes, exactly.

And then my co host went on to have back to back to back to back losses and she's now pregnant at forty one. I saw that with her rainbow baby, who like triple quadruple rainbow baby.

So that was.

Really important to dedicate that time to writing that chapter in our book. This is ze Muma's Guide to finding your path.

Who through Pregnancy, birth and beyond.

Because you know, initially everyone was like, why would you want to write about loss and a pregnancy and birth book.

I was like, because it's a part of.

The journey one and four one and four women go.

Yeah, exactly. It's really important to have all those different stories out there, which actually think is a beautiful thread in your new show, The Last Anniversary, which I loved, by the way, so have he. Because we see all these different versions of motherhood, we see relationships between adult mother and daughters. The first episode, you see a woman become a mother in sort of in a moment where the pregnancy comes very early and you see her sort

Yes, of course I was really drawn to that. In particular, I think the postpartum depression the way that's portrayed in our show is so delicately woven in but very realistic.

And the kind of.

Disconnect that the character Grace has after she gives birth, I think it's such a real loss of identity and not understanding who she is or why she should love this baby, but knowing that she's meant to. That's meant to come naturally to her, and because it doesn't, she feels like a failure.

And then you see the evolution.

Of this character and how it gets worse and gets better, and it gets worse and it gets better. And that to me, that sort of swinging pendulum experience with postpartum depression. I didn't experience it myself what my mom did. So the way my mom talks about and explains it is the good days of bad days, the good days a bad day. So that's so well done in our show. It feels very real and Claude Scott Mitchell is breathtaking,

Treating her well.

He's the worst guy you could possibly imagine, but it's just like you're getting old chance. Yeah, give him a chance. And I'm sure people can relate to that. And that's a special thing about our show. It's multi generational. So it's a family drama, but there are access points to

This, We've read her books.

She's got this beautiful recipe and she knows how to weave in real stories, meaningful stories. But then at the heart of it, there's the underpinning. Is this twists, this mystery, this secret lies, And it's really well done and I think it's going to captivate audiences.

I definitely think that as well. Oh Treesa, thank you so much for again being so open here and in your life. And I can't wait to see the rest of the show. It's just incredible. Thank you, Thank you so much.

This is wonderful.

So I was lucky enough to attend the premiere of the Last Anniversary and it really is such an incredible show. I have just been loving the new episodes that are dropping weekly on bind and Theresa Palmer's performance in it is just incredible. So if you want to know more, we have put all the links in our show notes. The executive producer of No Filter is Niama Brown, Senior producer is Grace Rufray, sound design is Jacob Brown, and I'm Laura Brodnick. It's been a pleasure to be your

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