¶ Political Commentary and Listener Interactions
You and I are told increasingly we have to choose between a left or right . Well , I'd like to suggest there is no such thing as a left or right . There's only an up or down . This is the no Doubt About it . Podcast . No doubt about it Now your hosts , Christy and Mark Runcate . Christy and Mark Runcate , Wildfire you can't catch us now All right .
It is . It's crazy out there , it's spicy out there . Our country . What is happening ? I don't know , Honestly .
To try to sort through it . We brought in Darren White , former Bernalillo County Sheriff . Talk about a variety of things going on with all these protests , but you have experience on the front lines dealing with protesters and trying to do the right thing and set the right tone to get the right result , which is critical .
It's not happening in many places , no , but let's not , we'll talk about . We'll talk about what that means here the repercussions of that . Yeah , and exactly what happens . We're going to go everywhere , from unm , uh to ucla , to , to , to Columbia , all of them .
This has just been an unbelievable past three or four days here , and it continues to spin , in some places out of control and in others it's firmly in control again . So we'll just see how it all shakes out . And it's not over yeah , no , there's no doubt , and it makes you wonder what's going to happen this summer .
Long hot summer yeah , that's right , cul culminating in the democratic national convention in where chicago- so we'll see by the way and richard daly well , I don't know , because richard daly is no longer the mayor of chicago , someone who most likely will not go and bring the police and get this thing under control quickly as their current mayor .
So that's a whole different deal . We'll talk about that probably another day , but it's at least interesting . So we'll get to some some uh , what are we talking here ?
some comments , comments . Oh yeah , sorry oh , go ahead .
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So thanks very much , and if we don't do well on this show , we'll firmly blame darren white . So we'll see how it shakes out .
Everyone else does no pressure , yeah and complete , yeah and uh . Please remember to subscribe , because those numbers help us a lot too absolutely appreciate that yeah , okay , couple of uh comments . Pretty good spicy shows we've had . Last couple shows cindy davis , knoll .
She wrote us in and said we were talking about the principal that got fired because of the drag queen dancing at the prom . Fired , fired or let go .
We don't know . Well , she was reassigned at the very least , but she's no longer , but she should have been fired .
Yeah , yeah , we'll see . We'll see what happens .
Yeah exactly .
She's no longer a Trisco Heritage's principal . We know that .
Yeah . So Cindy Davis wrote in the principal should not ever be in a position again to work around kids of any age . So that will be interesting to make sure . I think people probably pay attention to what they end up doing with that woman . Martin Willis wrote in , said I wish Mark had won his election .
I've been really impressed by what you were willing to talk about and make comments on what you see is going wrong . I hope that you will run again and win .
It's very nice .
Okay .
Well , that's not an answer . That's very nice , I had to do it .
Darren's like wait a minute , all right , darren . Christy's like he ain't coming back .
Oh no , I didn't say that . I just said he's not answering anything . We're just going to play silent game right now . On that one , Trust me , a lot of Michigan got up in the draft and thought it was a good audience for her .
Yes , yes , gretchen Whitmer .
Sure , mr Mars says you're missing the point . Why would you spend the time just talking to people who who already like you ? I think is what he meant right . If you're trying to gain popularity , you need to do some outreach . It's hit and miss . Even if you miss more than you hit .
Well , hold on on . So first of all , yeah , I agree completely , ray . If you're going to talk to a group of people that maybe don't always agree with you , absolutely that's an important thing to do . Going into an event like the nfl draft just to get eyeballs on you is not a smart thing to do .
You're you're not somebody who who lives mainly in that world , and so when you go and do something like that , you're doing it just to get more people to look at you . That's the part I'm talking about . That's not her world , I don't think , at least in large measure right .
It didn't look like it , it didn't sound like it either .
Like when she went up there .
So it's one thing to go to a group who may disagree with you . It's one thing to go to Whitmer and have and talk to him , go back and forth with ideas that I totally agree with showing up to the NFL draft because there's a lot of eyeballs on it and you want to chase a little bit of that .
That's a mistake and I don't like it with Republicans , do it no , I agree , it's both sides , it's like look , I love my sports . Yeah , please keep politics out yeah , I don't care yeah . I love . I watched the draft and then I was like really well , there's some , really come on .
Well , think about this If you're going and you're a NASCAR fan and you're a Republican , heck yeah , show up there . If you want to go to a United game and you're a Democrat , well then yeah , go ahead . You know that tends to fit better than it does , say , nfl and Gretchen Whitmer .
But in both cases don't go out and pick up a mic and make a speech , Right ?
Because no one , no one , no one wants to hear it there , could you ?
guys give the same lecture to all the actors at the Oscars . I would really like to watch my Oscars again , Way to go . Christy .
Let's open that one up .
Thanks a lot .
All right , last one we got from Nonon , non-tat .
I can't really . It's a bunch of initials there yeah this is just a yeah , okay .
It said , I agree with Mark about Truth , mark , about how effective President Reagan was , and I remember presidents back to Eisenhower . I was born during Harry Truman's term . Reagan was a good governor of California , also a complete opposite of Newsom . So thanks for writing in on those . You guys feel free drop us some comments , ask questions if you want .
We'll try to answer those if we can . Actually , you didn't put the one in here about the campaign fundraising and I wanted to address that really quick . I can't remember his name , I'm sorry . He's an active watcher and he listener and he did ask an important question . He said he contributed to your campaign .
He's contributed to some of the other folks that are running out there . He just asked and you guys are actually excellent to talk about this , since you've both run campaigns , he said is my 25 or $50 of a donation money helping out the candidates ?
In a huge way and measurable ? Yeah , it is , it is , it's absolutely huge . You can always tell the strength of a campaign by their number of donors , small dollar donors . We're not talking about people that give you 10 grand or whatever .
That's not important , those are nice and everything else .
But the more important people honestly are those individual small dollar donors , because when someone gives money to a campaign , they're invested . In a lot of cases they not only give that bit of money which each person is different and how much it means to them but but they oftentimes will volunteer for the campaign and help out , and so you can always tell .
When we looked at donor sheets for for different candidates , we knew when they had a ton of donors small dollar donors . Those are powerful candidates you need to watch , and so it absolutely makes a difference .
And even if you're somebody , I remember a woman in Caballo would give us $20 every couple of months and write a sweet note with it and it's the best , and so absolutely don't think for a second , it doesn't matter .
The big ticket . You know the big donors . We call that the low-hanging fruit . You know that you still have to make the calls and do the different things . And , yes , and fruit you go to . You know that they're going to . You still have to make the calls and do the different things . And , yes , it's a you welcome that .
It's important , but the heart and soul of any campaign , or those small donations , because they're the ones , like you said , mark , they write you a check . You know that they're going to vote for you . They're probably going to put a yard sign in , they're probably going to knock on doors for you because they believe in you that much .
And uh , and you're right , the heartwarming notes that you get are you just never forget them . So , oh , 100% , uh , it makes all the difference in the world .
And we did read all the letters , just for anybody listening out there . We read every single letter and I remember vivid stories . I remember this one dear lady and , um , I think we were in Roswell and this was on the Senate campaign actually , and she came up and she gave you .
She had said I wish I could give more to him , but this is all I have left and it was and she goes . This is what I can contribute to the campaign . It was $10 .
It was . It was at the Republican office in Roswell and I started to cry because she was so sweet .
Yeah , absolutely . Great question too , and I'm sorry I didn't get your name in there . I promise I'll say it next time , but I appreciate you writing in and uh , yeah , she was such a sweet lady .
Okay , all right , um , all right . That's the feel good segment of the show . Uh , I want to do this in an order here , because I want to start with UCLA , because we're talking about what happened at college campuses here .
We're going to get to UNM and we're going to get to Columbia , but I want to start with UCLA , and the reason why is it's the most stunning to me . Actually , columbia got the most press , but UCLA ended up being the most horrendous display of anti-Semitism I think I've ever seen in this country , and so I want to go through this .
So we're going to start going back a couple of days ago and I want to play a little bit
¶ Antisemitism at UCLA Campus
of video . It's from a student , a Jewish student , who was trying to just get to class , and what we have now is a group of people that are Hamas supporters , that have put up fences that are stopping him from getting to class , and so , yeah , ella , this is clip five , so let's just take a quick listen to this and how it goes down .
We are UCLA students . I have my ID right here . I'm being blocked off , not by the security guard , but by you two , you three . Oh , look , they're making their burger . Well , I'm going this way . This is what they do , everybody . Look at this . Look at this . I'm a UCLA student . I deserve to go here . We pay tuition .
This is our school and they're not letting me walk in . My class is over there . I want to use that entrance . Well , I can't take it . Will you let me go in ? This could be over in a second . Just let me and my friends go in to class .
Okay , so he's got a necklace of the Star of David on it . He's a Jewish student and they're just standing there and you can still see him here , and they're just . You know , he's trying to get in and he's you know . Here's his problem , right ? He can't push anybody out of the way because who knows what will happen ? They'll accuse him of assault and battery .
Yeah , and you see that is .
That is anti-Semitism , the definition of it right there , right , and it's disgusting , it's repulsive . And let me tell you , yes , those Hamas supporters , they're to blame , but who's really to blame is the university itself , because they're still letting it happen .
So it's , absolutely true .
Yeah , a big guy that video , if you kept playing it , as a big guy just gets in the way of that student and blocks his way to get through . I mean just utter just ridiculousness .
No , that's the exact point . Right , it's ridiculous . And as we worked through the next couple of days , it only got worse because of Darren , what exactly you mentioned ? So two days later , more gates are set up . Now these gates are set up near Royce Hall , in the Royce Quad at UCLA . I don't know UCLA well , but apparently that's where this is .
So let me just show you this . And this is another one of those situations . So this is a guy that's basically acting as the gatekeeper as well . Now , the difference in this case is , if you are pro Hamas , you get a wristband and you get to go in .
So , ella , let's go ahead and go to clip six and we're going to play this here , and what you'll see is this guy walking forward here and you can see the gatekeeper here , and then what he'll do is he'll check this kid's basically his ID , and then give him a wristband and say you're allowed to go here now because you're sufficient , sufficiently pro Hamas and
anti-Israel . And I got to tell you something if anti-Semitic Napoleon dynamite tried to stop me from going somewhere in college , to a class I wanted to go to , I honestly the guy would be spitting chiclets in five minutes . What is the deal with this ?
kid You'd cave his chest in it's unbelievable the fact that they're all covered up . Now . Let's cover up all her face .
Megan .
Kelly . If you guys listen to Megan Kelly , she was saying that they're probably all ugly because all the protesters she's seen they're not a very attractive bunch .
I was like , okay , that's one way of looking at it , but still hiding behind the mask or covering their face when they're doing this , keeping kids from going to school , let's not mention , let's not fail to mention that UCLA tuition , I think , is somewhere in the neighborhood of 60 grand , something like that a year , maybe a month , and so you , you know , you're
a parent and you're sending your kid to that school and your kid can't get to class .
You have brought up a great point . And that young man that we just watched , he didn't start a fight , he just said I just want to go to class . So we all said you know , we blame UCLA .
I can see class action suits coming very , very soon where these universities are going to wish they never allowed any of this to happen , because this it's , it's it's anti-Semitic , it's , it's , it is a violation of their civil rights .
I mean it's unconstitutional and I , I'm just telling you , I can , I can assure you , there are people putting those seats together , and one of them is Alan Dershowitz . He's already said it .
He said yes , he said . Please unleash me on these schools . I will take them to the cleaners because of the situation they're in .
Where is Joe Biden in the civil rights ? Uh , no exactly .
Joe Biden , call your office . Joe Biden , call your office , it's unreal .
I mean civil . The civil rights organizations would be up in arms . If this was anything , you guys , if this was again , if this was a bunch of white supremacists , if this was .
If this was anything , you guys , if this was again , if this was a bunch of white supremacists , if this was strong , far whatever Christian right people that were against anything with LGBTQ name it .
This is , it's Michigan , michigan , michigan .
No , no , we would have the DOJ all over everybody . I mean , you think January 6th was that . You know , when they went after January 6th they went after everybody they could , they would do the same thing here , but and the thing is is what people are saying ?
oh , this is freedom of speech , give me a break . Now you are harassing people .
You're not seeing freedom of speech right here .
This isn't freedom of speech .
We're doing this specifically for that reason I protested many times a long time ago , but I protested and we played by the rules . We were always on a sidewalk , whatever the issue was , we'd yell and we'd scream , but you know what we did ? We never attacked anybody , we never vandalized anything and we got our point across . Because what did we want to do ?
Much like they did . We wanted a little TV coverage . We wanted to be able to talk about our cause , because that's what protesting is . This is something completely different . I mean , it's mind-boggling to me that they don't understand . They're trying to intimidate these schools to the point that they bend a knee to all of these dumbass demands .
Pardon my French , but that's what it is . Tell me who I and you know . The best part about this is they want them to divest , right oh ?
yeah .
But why are they not divesting ? Why are they saying , nah , that's a non-starter . Yeah , because they make money off of us . Oh , absolutely and then those are great investments .
And again , though , I don't think we've seen the type of situation we're seeing here , because you're talking about throwing in with a terrorist organization who rapes and murders children and who will not let women have equal rights and and absolutely kills lgbtq from the roof across the board here , and you're siding with them over the most liberal democracy in the
middle east , that if you go to tel aviv , you , you have all sorts of people in tel aviv . You can be gay in tel Aviv , you can be trans in Tel Aviv , it doesn't matter but they don't care .
Mark these dopey bastards .
If you showed them a map , they wouldn't even know where Gaza was .
They would go , I know , I know I'm sorry for bringing logic into it .
I'm sorry , it'll stop . I'll stop .
We're going to get into what is really behind some of these protesters .
Let me apologize for dopey bastards . No , no , no we're allowing that one in .
We're allowing that one . It's just under the thing I'm about to bleep you .
Okay , so it continues to get worse . Yes , this is now yesterday . A student is sitting at another one of these barricades . He can't get in . They won't let him in and he decides LL , let's go to clip seven to make a run for it .
So what you'll see here is and we'll have the audio underneath this he tries to run in and get into the , get into the , just get to where he wants to go .
He wants to go to class . He's a Jewish student . He's being attacked .
He absolutely is , and so they're all grabbed and they have numbers on him , him turned around and they won't let him in , and he knows and he raises his hands yeah , he surrenders , yeah , he doesn't want anything to happen to him right , I mean notice , he's the only one with his face , and now he's on his knees he's on his knees , so we have the next clip .
So you say to yourself where is campus police ? Where ? Are they and remember what university is this ucla ? And it only gets better yeah , absolutely okay , here it is . So here's the next clip , so you'll see him . He's standing there surrounded by Hamas supporters , and then there is campus security looking on , doing absolutely nothing .
That's a lawsuit .
Can I become a lawyer real quick ? I'd like to get in on this .
I mean unreal If I'm that guy's parents or family .
Yeah , it is repulsive it is To think that this young man is sitting there . It is repulsive to think that this young man is sitting there Now he's scared . You can look , I'm telling you , I get some of them . You kind of like , all right , you know they're playing the game .
You can tell in that young man's face he's scared and he is literally looking 50 feet in front of him and he sees security personnel and police officers and they're not helping him . Why .
Because they've been told not to engage . That's why and this is where we get into the issue on leadership , because this is where it's on Gavin Newsom , it's on the mayor of LA , it's on the chancellors at UCLA to put a stop to this , because it doesn't go away .
So one of two things happens Either leadership steps up and does what they need to do , or people take matters into their own hands . That's just . Those are the two choices . They aren't . This quietly goes away . That doesn't happen , because the people who are doing it feel emboldened and those who are being pushed down get angry ,
¶ Campus Chaos and Anti-Semitism Discussion
right . And so what did we see last night ? It all blew up .
Of course it's a bound to Bad so let's just go to the video .
We'll show you what that looked like last night . Now what's interesting is , this is from ABC7 in LA and their chopper pilot's kind of a legend . Okay , so he's done a million of these chases . Yeah , he's an interesting guy . So , els , we'll bring up his audio just a little bit as we're going here .
But what you see is mass fighting along the edge of the encampment here , because now there are pro-israeli groups that are coming in to say enough of this , because gavin newsom is a feckless much of it driven by that last video too .
Absolutely , yeah , that hit the . That was that was .
That was the line . Yeah , absolutely so . Let's go take a look at the video here , so what you'll see is they just start fighting it out . This is crazy . It just now . Listen to what the guy from abc7 in the chopper says .
Just let's we Ella Badly beaten at the bottom of that brawl right there .
I mean they're just fighting it out . Look at that .
Look at that . Somebody is being dragged and beaten in the front of that plywood wall and so They've got bats and sticks and I mean just incredible , like where are the police , where is security ? Where are these people ? But just where are ? Where is authority here ?
okay . So there you go . So that gives you the you know , that shows you what the media and guys like the chopper pilot are seeing here and they're saying wait a minute . We've seen a bunch of people go at it back and forth and then the police step in and stop it . They did not do that here , at least for a long , long time , For a very long time .
They still haven't . Yeah , so apparently we , you know this happened late in the night and there's still no change . Law enforcement has not gone in , and again , it's just what you said , mark , because the governor , he's in charge of the universities , the chancellor , the president of the university . But I'm going to take this one more when the hell is Joe Biden ?
Is he not seen ? Are they just like , don't watch that ?
Mr President , we don't want you to watch that .
Because , going back to that video of that young man , mark , you said that and it's you to watch that , right ?
Because going back to that video of that young man , mark , you said that and it's important to say that young man , who was terrified as he was being chased , if he were an african-american , president , biden would have had federal law enforcement from one end of that university to the next , but this is a jewish student and you know what ? Who cares ?
right and why ? Because a lot of difference .
I'll tell you why . Because a lot of difference .
I'll tell you the difference . Sadly , politics A lot of his base is absolutely on board with this .
Michigan .
Michigan , michigan . So he says , ok , I got to be quiet about it . You can't be quiet about this . No , this is an incredible stain on this country , I think , since I'm 50 years old and I've never seen anything this embarrassing and horrendous as far as the behavior of Americans towards someone of a race or religion .
He's being attacked because he's Jewish and nobody is . I said it broke my heart when I saw him up against that wall because you could just see he's so terrified . And police and security are just watching .
It's so wrong .
And again people are going to pay , they're going to pay a price . But again , where the hell is Joe Biden ?
Well , okay , it gets worse because let's go over to Columbia by the way .
so we're just going to leave UCLA hanging , by the way , Because there's not been results I know exactly we could be back tomorrow .
Right . So , Christy , you're right , we're going to move on to Columbia .
Not because we have a solution to what happened to UCLA now , just because we don't .
So there's no bow on that story .
Yeah .
Unfortunately . Well , now here's the . Here's the great part in Columbia . Now at Columbia , we their hatred , basically , for other Jewish students . They're in line , they're , they're standing in line of this illegal encampment that's been asked to disperse .
So just look at this like , look at this video Ella , it's number 10 , and these are professors Again , faces mostly covered . They're standing all arm and arm with each other in support of this encampment and their hate towards the Jewish students that are paying to attend their school .
And they also . So there are some of them that went and put out a tweet and a statement when the NYPD came in and said this is a terrible idea and everything else . I mean just the exact thing you would do if you want to continue to accelerate this and create more chaos .
I mean , we have two different camps here now too , beyond the anti-Semitic camp and those that support the nation of Israel , it's also those who are dying for chaos and want to tear down the fabric of the country and those who are desperate to keep it upright .
Yeah , they might as well just have you know pasted across the front of them . We have tenure , yeah , always .
Because they don't care . By the way , what is the deal with tenure ?
Like is that written somewhere ?
where you can't get away from canning some of these idiots .
I mean seriously these professors that have tenure act like there's nothing that could ever happen to them , they're untouchable . Who made that rule ? Where's the tenure book ? Diplomatic immunity .
Exactly , I didn't go to an Ivy League , so I can't tell you what that situation ? Is , but it's like it's unreal , Like they can get away , they can say whatever they want to students . Like we've talked about , these professors are teaching their classes from the encampments to invoke more the one thing we talked about where's the federal government ?
where's the federal government ? I surely hope that Congress very soon start with there's plenty of video that Congress very soon start with . There's plenty of video . We have all the video we need .
I really hope that they sit down and say it is time for an investigation into what has happened on these campuses and how these Jewish students have been discriminated against and what should be done , because , remember , they all get federal dollars , so that nexus is there .
But here's the thing , darren . So some of these universities are already saying in front of congress oh , we have open investigations ongoing , that's it . It doesn't matter if they're not doing the job .
congress has the purview to step right in and a pull funding or be past laws to be able to make them more accountable . That can all and , by the way , I can't wait to see that vote the house , and we know who's going to be on both sides of that right . What's that going to look like ?
And especially in the Senate , because they're going to need 60 votes in the Senate Are you going to get some Democrats who are going to stand up and say you know what ? You're right ? I think you will .
I think you will chased . I want to hear from other students who have suffered discrimination in the last two months or three months or however long it's been . Uh , you know , bring them in and let them talk and then pay you know what . Let the other morons come in and explain . How is that Okay In your simple little mind ?
How did you think that that was okay ? Because I really would love for them to get in front of a camera , in front of Congress , to explain to america , so we can also see too . It's like you know what I I went to a junior college after high school and I really thought that the ivy leagues were .
You know , they're kind of they're set aside for the best , for the , for the smartest among us , and then I see some of these people talking and go . I think I was wrong dar Darren .
I went to the Harvard on the Palouse , known as Washington state university . And we always thought our sister college in Harvard was was . You know it was incredible , was the the the pinnacle ? And then we figure out they're all idiots . I mean this is unbelievable .
So I was telling you guys this before we started . But Princeton , they started an encampment , right ? So encampment comes out . It's like day one Administration from the college comes out , makes this big formal announcement saying hey , listen , if you are a student from our school and you are in this encampment , you are facing academic probation or suspension .
That camp cleared out . That day . It was done .
Do you see the parallel here ? The universities that are in areas like Texas , like North Carolina we've seen some of those videos where they went and quashed this right away . You notice the parallel . And then these blue states like Columbia and UCLA and Princeton , while they did do some stuff , I mean they ignored the problem . It's just like crime .
Yeah , it's right .
It's just like crime it is .
You know , maybe if we just ignore it long enough , it'll go away and they realize does anybody ? Did you see that it was North Carolina State Patrol officer ? That big giant guy , that woman that he was dragging out , decided she'd do the flop .
And he just picked her up and threw her .
Because they don't mess around . And it's not to say you can't give people . They have a right to protest , it is their First Amendment right , but you don't have a right to destroy property and , most importantly , you don't have the right to deny somebody their civil rights Right , and the thing is too about this , and I totally agree .
You have the right to protest , but at the same time , if you're , say , a professor who goes and supports anti-Semitic beliefs , you may have a right to say them , but you don't have a right to avoid any consequences because of what you say . I mean , that's just a fact too .
Right , and you have these Columbia kids that take over Hamilton Hall and are destroying it , breaking out glass windows .
Oh , no , no .
But we've got to talk . That's burglary .
We ought to talk about .
NYPD . Oh , we will .
We will , we'll get to you , guys .
I promise , I mentioned it .
I know , I know . No , we've got to show this crazy professor , because it's all a bunch of these guys are all actors .
So all right , so this is now we are not –'m just saying I love it . I just want everybody to know I love her .
Okay , so here's so she's , she's going to be the gift that keeps on giving for a very long time , and she is for a couple of reasons .
You're about to hear why . Uh , number one . Uh , she's , I believe , a graduate student in Marxist studies and a part-time professor at Columbia . Her name is Johanna Slutskyutsky . Okay , what ? What are you laughing at ?
okay so you did .
No I , I said it , I'm not laughing at it .
Oh okay , all right , it's johanna . It's johanna slutsky is her name .
I'm a third grade I'm sorry you are a third grade boy , I did .
I . I took my hearing aids also . What's ?
her name . Her name is johanna slutsky . Okay , thank you . Okay , so now here's what she has . So this was yesterday before uh , nypd came in and cleared her out before .
And remember , after they destroyed that particular building . So they're in the Hamilton Hall , they're in Hamilton Hall .
They actually was burglary right or there's a felony burglary so they're inside the building when they have no right to be broke . Broke down the windows to get in , and so here's Miss Lutzky's opinion . Excuse me , that's her name . Here's her opinion on what needs to happen next .
Well , I guess it's ultimately a question of what kind of community and obligation Columbia feels it has to its students . Do you want students to die of dehydration and starvation or get severely ill , even if they disagree with you ? If the answer is no , then you should allow basic .
I mean it's crazy to say because we're on an Ivy league campus , but this is like basic humanitarian aid we're asking for .
Like . Could people please have a glass of water ? Humanitarian aid .
What are we asking for our students ? We're asking to let our students go to class for starters . You're an educational facility .
What even makes that great is the question , the way the reporter asked the question , because he said so basically you're revolutionaries , but you want them to bring you food . Yeah , you want food and the best one last night on the internet . I just cried I just cried out laughing . The revolution will be catered .
That's so true . I mean honestly . She sits there and says Snowflakes First of all .
is anyone dying of thirst or hunger after a two-day demonstration .
Oh , give me a break .
And , by the way , you could door dash right up to that building . By the way , it's ridiculous , these guys are acting , they're just acting . And that's why these next tweets I think were really interesting and I think it's worth talking about , because it's Elika Laban who is .
She is a an attorney from Iran , so I want you to read what she said about , and she was really referring to the clip you just heard , right , ok , and listen to what she said .
So she's from Iran originally and she now lives here . She said I can't believe I have to explain what's happening here ,
¶ Elite Students Role-Playing Oppression
but here it goes . Elite students of Ivy League schools have glamorized oppression so much that they have now reached role-playing status to satisfy their fantasies . Here the students have appropriated the suffering of Gazians and are cosplaying as living through a humanitarian crisis .
In their American make-believe story , where Ivy League infrastructure sets the scene , the students play Gazians and the school administration plays Israel . And then she goes on to say Israel . The school is blocking their basic humanitarian aid in this play and if they don't receive it soon , they will quote die of thirst and starvation .
Appropriating exact experiences of Gazians , they also destroy upper class buildings and claim them as liberated , while the students repeat chants and zombie-like chorus , playing the role of freedom fighters , destroying Israeli infrastructure and claiming them freed . If I'm alive in a world where people don't see the levels of perversion in this , I give up .
It's so well said , genius , it's perfectly said , and I think it's so smart . It is that these guys have gone and co-opted some sort of suffering that they have no clue about in any way , shape or form .
They don't know how it came about , why it is or where it's going , but they want some piece of it , and not realizing that the very thing they're advocating for would absolutely be cut out of their lives if they got the government they wanted . I mean , it's just a fact .
OK , so I listened to this interview with federal prosecutor Andy McCarthy out of New York . He was famous , kind of he prosecuted during the World Trade Center bombing the first one , like when it first happened . So he's pretty famous .
He's gone after a lot of terrorists and he was talking in this interview about how we're not paying enough attention because these Muslim brotherhoods started on university campuses in the 60s small little , mainly in the Midwest , is what he explained .
Now they're at about 90% of the universities and what he pointed out about this is they allowed a Hamas chapter to join the Muslim brotherhood in the 80s okay , which is a terrorist organization through and through .
And he basically points out and says listen , it's a crime in the US to provide material support to terrorist organizations and that means , like fundraising , recruitment of people . That falls in line with that . It's not the freedom of speech part , it's the harassment , it's the keeping people from going to class .
That falls under line of it's a federal crime at that point . And he says Hamas has been recognized as a terrorist organization by the United States since the eighties . And so he thinks and I thought this was really valuable , we talked about this a little bit on our last show is who are the people that are in these crowds ? Are they here legally ?
He said you have this bubbling up thing . For the last 60 years that have been kind of planting up we open our borders , now . We have been kind of planting up we open our borders , now we have no idea who's here . And then we sit around and we wonder how did this happen ?
Like are these just old students that are upset ? It's a great point , chrissy , because last night they showed that the wife of a wanted terrorist was actually in the tent city in Columbia University , and there's a picture of it , and so it's something we need to be very concerned about . You're right .
Well , and I think you know , when I hear people say , oh God , you guys cover kind of some heavy news and I don't always want to hear the bad news of the day , I understand that I get , we're all busy and I understand that sometimes the news is heavy .
But I think here is a lesson If we're not paying attention to what's happened in our history and what things can bubble up and how things can exasperate very quickly actually , then we need to be , you know . I think that's one of the biggest reasons to be in tune with what's happened . Right .
And what has happened in our past .
We talked about how Reagan handled these back in the , you know , the 80s and the 60s .
Well , you know , he shut them down because he said , you know , and he put the blame right where it belongs , which is on the administration and the adults who should know better . And that's just a fact . So here we go , darren , your boys coming in now .
So all this goes on and it blows up at Columbia and you have them in the building , they're in Hamilton Hall , they're out on the quad , basically taking that over , and then the best police force in the country decides it's over .
The first indication was when Mayor Adams came out . Are you going to play ?
something . Yeah , we'll play it while you're talking . Yeah , go ahead . Yeah , go ahead , ellis , you can play it while Darren's talking .
The first indication was Mayor Adams came out later in the afternoon and said look , if you are a parent and you have a student that's in this encampment , call him up now and tell him to come home . And we saw , you know , the Bobcats came rolling in . That is what's called a Bobcat right there .
That has basically the ladder .
It has a ladder .
Yeah , so let's talk about this
¶ Police Response to Protest Operations
for a quick second . So NYPD comes in and no , they're not going to bust through the front door because that's all barricaded .
They go in through the second floor , just go walking right in , right , and they have what's called flash bangs Right , and it's a very unpleasant device . I mean , if it goes off near you you're probably going to have some problems hearing for a while , but the whole purpose of it is to distract you . It's to throw you off , right .
And some people are like , well , why did they do that ? Because they don't know what's on the other side of that window , right , and what . Do you think they should just go in there and get shot . So they tossed in some flashbangs , um , and and , interestingly enough , most of the uh , most of the rooms had already , but they were , they were clear .
But I think , uh , if what's crazy about this , 1968 , april the 30th , the same exact date in 1968 , anti-war protests at Columbia university got out of control . They called in , they called in New York PD and they did the same thing .
An overwhelming force that used a lot of different tactics but , most importantly , they had the numbers , they used force and they shut it down quickly , right , and nobody got hurt ?
Yeah , nobody got hurt . No , it's a simple playbook . 300 people got arrested , which ?
is what it's what they wanted , yeah well , and the thing is is like not only I mean I'm going back to this same thing again , but I think a lot of people want to get arrested . It's like a little mark on their little hey , look at me , I got arrested . Blah , blah blah .
Kick the kids out , suspend them from the school , expel them permanently and they will go home .
Yeah I believe , most believe , most of them . The operation was handled brilliantly . No well planned , well executed .
And this is not a surprise , right ? Because people don't realize through all the things that have happened with the increasing crime in New York city over the past couple of years . It's not because you don't have a great police force there . It's widely regarded as the best in the country .
You know that they are very highly trained for these sorts of things , right .
Special operations second to none .
Yeah , yeah , okay , okay . So you see them start to clear them out . And so right now by the way , as we speak , late on a Wednesday evening , things have calmed down at Columbia . Yes , they've cleaned that out . So we got resolution at Columbia For now , for now .
So I do want to touch on UNM and what happened there , and I think that you know Garnett Stokes , the governor , deserved credit for quickly getting on what happened at UNM , but now I think they were messing around with the duck pond for too long , I think that .
And then you had a group that went from the duck pond outside to try to go into the student union building on the inside .
Set up tents . Set up tents . Made a clown show to themselves .
Right , they did their whole thing , and so what ended up happening there was , basically , the state police came in pretty quickly and knocked that out , arrested 16 people . So here's what that sounded like as it went down . Long live the antifada . A anti-Semitic chant .
Just so you know , this is not , so they got them out pretty quickly here and , by the way , just so you have the details on this , 11 of the 16 were not UNM students in there . So that's the next point I want to get to .
And God bless the black and gray . Uh , they , they , they went , and university police were involved , absolutely . Let me just say , mark , you talked about them being at the duck pond .
One of the things that and again , I'm not talking about a specific knowledge of this , but one of the things that you do in a case like this is that you'll actually put under covers in there so that you're starting to get Intel . So , you know , they're kind of getting bored .
You know feeding the ducks and hanging out and banging their drum and their tambourine , and then they start to hear things like you know , we should go up to the student union and you know , take it over . Um , I don't know if that specifically happened .
I wouldn't be surprised if it happened , but one thing is for sure Uh , once they did , they marched up and they went to the sub . Law enforcement acted quickly and stopped it and let them know you're going to jail . And , like you said , these were mostly outside agitators , usually what it is .
Sometimes they're paid , sometimes they're not , but they handled it very well and they should be complimented for the job they did .
I agree they should be and we are , and that's the that's the thing I think that is important here is that when things happen and they go down the right way , I think you see the difference . You just see the difference . It's it's very simple . But I want to get into some of these agitators .
Yeah , and hold on one second . So when this was going down last night , I was following a lot of these groups that are talking about this . They were putting out saying we hear cops are on the way . If you're not in the student union right now , please stand outside and film us as we get arrested .
It's just drama , drama , drama In between them asking for their vegan sandwiches , which is what they were asking for when they were at the duck pond . Now they're saying , hey , can you come and film us so we can be , you know , stars in our own show of chaos .
Do you know how they're vegans ? Well they'll tell you oh well , sorry .
Which is a devastating explanation .
But you're absolutely right though , chrissy , because it's it , that's what it is , it's the performance of it and the minute , literally as an officer , you can just say you know , gently put your hand on them and say you got a gun .
Oh my God , you would act like you took a wooden baton to them and beat them 20 times with the yelling and they're like dude , I'm not even , so let's talk about this for a second , because , especially the majority of your career was spent at a time when you didn't have body cams , right ?
And so now these police officers are pretty darn well-trained , they live their lives with body cams . So this thought process of , oh , we're going to record you arresting us and there's going to be some big backlash no , there's not .
In fact , they know exactly what they're doing , they're well-trained for it , and what this has really given lie to is the fact that exactly what they're trying to accomplish here and it looks ridiculous . So the more people that see it , they go . This is ridiculous .
Yes , and that's the reason why it's a very well-executed plan by the New Mexico State Police and University Police , because they were prepared , they knew what they were going to do . They flex-cuffed them and they had basically a direct line to the buses and get them out of there and shut it down and uh but . But because they get it for most of these people .
Look , you still have to be careful . One of the things that you know last night , when I was watching a lot of this go down is kind of that lone wolf . You know that there's that one person , maybe two people , uh , you know , maybe a terrorist , I mean somebody there , you know , with evil intentions and you do , and you do worry about that .
But you know most of these . You know they're making sure their mask is just right and their hair whatever . This is it's a performance . They're going to get arrested , they want to be arrested and they're going to scream and yell that the police are beating them up . And then they all get on the bus , they go , get booked , they get released and go .
Man , that was cool , wasn't it ? Yeah ?
Let's tell all our friends about it . I think what's really sad is that these , a lot of these actors that's what I'm going to call them , because that's what they are they think they're the civil right protesters of the 1950s and 60s .
Except for their backing terrorists who murder people Exactly , and that's what they are missing .
That's the whole point . That like hey , this is they are protecting a terrorist group in our country . We don't even know who's in these groups , we have no idea , and yet we sit here and say , oh no , no , no , no , like let's let these kids just do what it , and they're not even kids .
Most of these guys are not even kids . No , they're not , and I do think there's been also a pass . The Biden administration shouldn't be able to breathe on this without people being all over them . I mean , karine Jean-Pierre can't answer the questions in the press briefing , but Joe Biden has come out and said absolutely nothing on this .
Oh no , but again , that's political . That's political . I mean , it just is simply political .
And so , as you look at what forms all of this , I think , because you see the efforts by law enforcement that are so efficient and so well done I think what you need in a situation like this , if you're a protester , is you need a protest consultant to come in and tell you how to protest .
Well , if that's what you're looking for , I've got a name for you , and her name is Lisa Fithian . Okay , okay , you might know who's Lisa .
Fithian . It wasn't as funny as the last lady's name by the way .
No , it's not , but Lisa Fithian is a protest consultant . Oh , I want to give you guys a little taste . So this is from Democracy . Now it's a far left program Glorious when they welcomed her on . So let's just listen to the intro for Lisa Fithian before we get to her role and what happened in Columbia .
AMY GOODMAN
¶ Protests, Agitators, and Political Tensions
For more . We're joined here in our New York studio by someone with stories and tactics to share from the front lines of protests over the past four decades . She was just in the streets of Manhattan yesterday in action outside Brazil's mission to the United Nations .
Lisa Fithian is a longtime grassroots organizer , nonviolent direct action trainer , who's currently on the national team of Extinction Rebellion US . Her new book , published this week , is titled Shut it Down Stories from a Fierce , Loving Resistance .
She's now on a book tour and everybody has a new workshop called Escalating Resistance Mass Rebellion Training .
There we go . Okay , right there , escalating Resistance , mass Rebellion . They want this out of control , they want chaos . And this woman was at Columbia when they took over the Hamilton building , okay , and so we want to just show you what she was doing . This was captured by Fox news . She was helping them burglarize the building .
That's just very simple what she was doing . So she should be charged with a felony too , by the way , but I'm no lawyer , so I don't really know what happened with that . But let's just listen to what she's doing here and we'll kind of walk you through it . Okay , she's saying I can't help you with that .
Basically , she's having them push a bunch of tables in front of the window so nobody can get into the building to pull people out , and then again they're damaging the building as they're doing this , and she's telling them how to do it . This woman is literally telling them how to do it . Cameras she's directing the cameras .
She's directing the cameras , she's telling them to tie the chair to the door , flip the table upside down . I mean she's giving full directions there . Yeah , and she's on a book tour everybody .
So she's going to make money . So at unm , when this went down , uh , you have a couple other people who did this as well . In fact , you have one person who stood up and gave a statement right as they came into the sub . This is another person who is a regular agitator , who just comes in and goes to various causes .
So he's he's been at other causes , but he invaded the sub . So here's what he had to say when this happened you were wondering .
We don't plan on going anywhere actually you do within two hours .
You were out of there , okay . So this kid right here , okay , um , he , it's not the first time he's done this sort of thing . He goes and grabs various various causes .
He's a real warrior .
Yeah real warrior , real job for this kid .
And then he goes , and so he regularly does environmental causes as well . And if you say , well , what else has he done ? Well , the governor stayed in the state . This year he was at that one as well .
Different cause oh , was he one of the ones that stood up . So let's go ahead and go to that video .
So , as we go to that video and the governor's talking about , I believe when they started yelling it was about film incentives , and so he's right in the middle of the screen and they all start screaming . And here's what they . Let's just listen to what they say , though . Ok , from the river to the sea , right ? Ok , so it's . Global warming is a war .
Palestine will be free . Okay , from the river to the sea right . Okay , so it's . Global warming is a war . Palestine will be free yeah , so they've merged a couple of causes .
Oh yeah , they got to get it all together .
Now , it's just like what cause ? Let's just lump these things together .
Well , because they're being paid by different organizations to get their messages across , or , like a new , to just get out trash and just see who's funding all this stuff . It's unbelievable and sadly , these guys aren't even students .
These , are just people that take a $15 , $20 an hour job and they go do this across the country . So just realize that a lot of this is not sprung up out of a natural pushback against a war . That's not what . This is Right . This is not 1968 .
And that's the reason why they they went into the sub and caused the damage that they did ? Yeah , because , as you were talking about there at the duck pond , and the ducks just weren't listening , they just didn't want to hear it anymore . So they realized , look , this is about getting attention , and so they were going to have to step up our game .
And , uh , I and I honestly think , because of what was going on and they're in New Mexico , I think they believe that they would go in there and the state police wouldn't do anything about it . They'd sit there and try to negotiate with them for their demands . Right and good for the state police and good for our leaders for not doing that .
So okay , let's go quickly . A couple more here . I got to get us in under the time .
Yeah , I know , know it blows up if amy's explodes .
I know it's over an hour okay , we're going to unc university of north carolina . The fraternity bros are back , baby , all right . Uh , anytime we have fraternity guys doing good things , I'm in because I , because I was one , so I love it . Uh , so they were trying to put up a palestinian flag in the center of campus .
Fraternity bros step in and they're like , listen , this isn't happening . Cool picture there . And then another one is they start to put the flag up and you can see them adding the flag . So it wasn't just that , though . As they put the flag up , this is what ended up happening . Good for them , yep , I mean just good for them .
We're standing up and standing up for this country . Apparently , it's going to have to be actual students that take on these crazy organizers there are no
agitators in there they're all students , you know it's very similar .
You give credit where credit is due .
Mayor Eric Adams this morning was questioned on why one of the assistant police commissioners also took a flag down at City University last night and put the American flag back up and he said my uncle died fighting for this country and you will not fly the flag of another country on any of our government buildings or anywhere .
And he supported the officers taking the flag down and they were upset because they threw the Palestinian flag on the ground . But then they raised the American flag , and so credit to mayor Adams for uh recognizing that that's completely out of bounds .
Yeah , Credit , but that's a pretty dang low bar . I mean , if we got to credit Adams for pulling up our flag but do you think Newsom would do ?
it no he wouldn't do it , so you're right .
I guess you're right . You're right , adams Newsom , you're right All right , we're going to vote for Adams .
If it's Adams and Newsom , we're going for Adams . All right , I want . Scared me about this poll is frank . Luntz broke out the numbers by age . Yeah , this is terrifying . If you're if you're basically 35 or above , you support israel over hamas . I mean , that's just where those numbers go . But look at the 18 to 24 .
It's a close race 57 , 57% support Israel , 43% support Hamas . That is devastating . I think that's a terrifying number and that's part of the reason we see what we see right now with Joe Biden .
Yeah , he's getting the same poll Right , and so he's not to be found anywhere with . While America universities across the country are burning , he's nowhere to be found anywhere with . While america universities across the country are burning , he's nowhere to be found well , 18 to 24 year olds .
I just think these are the most susceptible people . They're watching tiktok , they're watching whatever garbage that they get out there as their source right they're the most that are easily persuaded in college campuses .
It's why these professors , I think , who are very uh-Israel , are really preaching to these younger college kids to get them on board with their message , because it helps funnel their message .
And I think we need to start looking at who is on these campuses that are doing this , who is here on a college visa or work visa , and if there's drumming up trouble in America , they need to be shipped out of here immediately .
Yeah , bye-bye , and I don't know why we're not doing that . I would be interested to know too , on those numbers , how do they break down college versus non-college ? We need the crosstabs . I'm willing to bet the crosstabs on college is really ugly and I bet you we're below water on that .
But it's a wake-up call .
A lot of people that make up the 57% are non-college . That would be my guess , but who knows
¶ Political Controversies and Hugs
, we'll see .
All right , a couple more quick stories . You get to pay for brainwashing , for sending your kids to college .
Everybody , you're welcome , it's unbelievable , ellie , you're not going to college .
We're just going to homeschool you through college . We're going to homeschool .
You're going to love it . It's going to be fantastic , okay , so let's get to one . We're going to go off the side . Know this story right , I don't want to talk about it , okay , I know you don't so but we have to talk about the fact that she now not only is her or her VP hopes done but I think her political career is over .
It is over A story from the New York Post . She has no shot to be Trump's VP pick after a puppy killing controversy . For those of you who don't know , she basically had this hunting dog that she hadn't really trained , so she takes it out .
The hunting dog , you know , kind of goes crazy , has the time of its life on a hunting trip , but it wasn't doing what she wanted it to do . And then the hunting dog went after some chickens at a neighbor's house , which about every dog I know would do that and so she ends up taking the thing to a gravel pit and killing it .
She's 14 months old 14 months old .
14 months old Now . I will say we had a lot of people , not a lot . We had a couple of folks write in and say listen , in a ranching community this is very common that if dogs go a little , you know go ape wall and kill other livestock .
Ape wall .
Whatever ?
That's where I'm at . Wow , no , but I like it . I don't know , how I merge .
I make up words .
It's what I do .
Okay , no , don't go ape wall .
Don't go ape wall . What does that mean ?
A wall , a wall , okay , but the ape wall is not even , he said if you're not from a rural area .
You don't understand and appreciate that . This is just kind of how it's done . You take down an about the show I'm watching that all creatures create in small . But again , I'm just thinking . No , you're missing the point on this one . We are America still and we love our pets . And you're trying to connect with voters and you put this in your biography .
And who is the idiot that read this ? An editor that looked at that and went Christy , if you keep this in here , this is going to be crazy .
You're done yeah crazy .
You're done . Yeah , you're done , yeah , and it's like you . But you know , I don't get it plus by the way .
I just don't get it . She keeps doubling and tripling .
Oh , she's like we're shooting horses , we're shooting goats like she talks about all the different it's . It just is so before you get through the arc of all the animals yeah exactly . Well , by the way , quick a poll quote from Trump on this uh , or Trump's people .
Trump isn't necessarily a dog person , they said , but I think he understands that you choose a puppy killer as your pick for blatantly obvious reasons , or you can't choose a puppy killer . Second source told the post that Trump likes Christie a lot , but was disappointed when he heard the dog story . So there you go on that he knows the math . Yeah , he does .
Yeah , he knows that . Okay , so last one , just to fill you with a laugh . Oh my gosh , this is fantastic . Drew Barrymore , who has her own daytime talk show which I don't know why , but anyway well , we're about to find out , and I guess you're right after . After we do see this , I'm not sure we're going to have an answer as to why , but she had .
Kamala Harris on okay , the vice president , and she needs Kamala to step up . And she used a term I had never heard before .
Oh no .
But I am loving the way Drew Barrymore asked this question and what she's looking for from Kamala Harris .
I've been thinking that we really all need a tremendous hug in the world right now .
So true , but in our country we need you to be mamala of the country , oh my lord mamala we need you to be mamala of the country , darren did she really say that ?
yeah , she did that's how embarrassing it's . It's degrading actually to kamala even , to say it like that I agree , kamala .
You can see the look on her face Like , um even . I know that , that and I can barely communicate my way out of a paper bag .
Now , in all fairness , as I've said , I Kamala , the vice president , was a classmate of mine at the Aspen Institute . Don't hold that against me .
Did you like her ?
Yes , I did , she was funny .
Okay , she actually she was funny . Okay , she actually was very funny . Look at this and could she talk ?
yes , because all of a sudden , and I gotta tell you , so I you know , and so for two years that we went through this fellowship together , went to china together . We did . You know there were 24 of us , but when I first saw her in that first debate I went . Who is that ?
Yeah , something got in her head right , no , our handlers , they made her mean yeah , now , she always had that crazy laugh At first I was like wow that's something there .
isn't it Disconcerting ? That's something there .
But I always thought that she was nice , she was funny , and then you see her on stage in that first debate and go . That is definitely what happens when you have too many handlers trying to make you into somebody that you're not . Because you talk about Kristi Noem's chances of ever being anything else Four years after being vice president .
I don't care , she's never going to be president of the United States because she's just not good at this .
Well , I think you do see , she's a great example , I think , of someone who's something has happened in her head . That you're right , there's been . And when you end up in front of people and you feel like every word is scrutinized beyond belief , you're scared to speak .
The word salad is nuts , it doesn't . So the things that she says at times I'm like no , because she talks around everything .
Right , she talks around because she's afraid if she talks directly to the issue , she'll get in trouble .
She's going to get in trouble ? Yeah , she's going to get .
Maybe she's right , maybe Mamala is exactly the direction she needs to go oh . Mamala Unbelievable . Gosh oh my All right .
Don't ever call me .
Mamala , don't worry , I'll deck you right in the chin , please do Okay .
Yeah , you're allowed to punch me directly in the face at that .
Okay , can I ?
I want to see this .
Seriously , this is good , this is what I came .
So we're ending the show now , but we want to send a reminder . Thursday , today is national day of prayer . There's lots of organizations that are putting down events . We know sagebrush is having one at their campus about six 30 . There's one at civic Plaza tonight . I think it starts at six o'clock .
A lot of artists sermons , prayer very important day for Mark and I . We believe that that's a , you know , it's been around for a long time and something that should absolutely be focused on as as family members as well . So we appreciate your time . We appreciate you , darren adding some .
would you put in ? Put in a good word for me , we'll see what happens I got a lot to pray for .
Darren , I'm going to try to get to you , but I can't guarantee it . All right .
Thanks for joining us .
We'll see you back here on Monday .
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