Episode 54: Thanksgiving Extravaganza

So we're going to do one show this week because then obviously we assume everybody's going to be doing their thing with their families over Thanksgiving and they don't need to listen to us talking yeah , and let's be honest , we need to be . I have like three days of cooking this year because I waited too long . Yeah , yeah .

So I've cooked Thanksgiving dinner for my family . They come in every year . I've cooked for I cooked about 12 years in a row the whole enchilada right , like no pun intended .

So I did that the last couple of years , and then guess who didn't order that on time .

So all of you out there that are baking and cooking in the next couple of days , maybe you can just put us in on your headset and you can listen to that that way . So listen to some of our older shows as well so get caught up . Anyway , yeah , lots of fun looking forward to having a family , yeah .

We went down to the border , which , by the way , just as an aside . That episode got the attention of some other political parties in Mexico who now want to talk , so we'll see what happens with that . We're talking with them right now to figure out here's , you know , get more of the story and what's going on .

Our goal is always to give you as much information as we can , so we try to go down there and give you things that you're not going to find other places , and so I think we're going to end up doing more down there to talk about the issue , because obviously this issue is not going away , and so we're going to continue to do that .

So just be aware that we're going to have that coming up as well , and we're still working on another episode , and , of course , you can go back and check out all different kinds of episodes that we have . We've got 54 of them

, or whatever it is now .

If you want to sick a fan , there are plenty of sick a fan shows out there . That'll just tell you , no matter what happens , president Trump is this , that and the other thing , one way or the other . Well , guess what ? We've lived in a world where we've seen the good Trump and we've seen the Trump that we think hurts campaigns and hurts candidates .

So we're going to talk about both . And if you don't want that , then go find someone who's just going to tell you everything's sunshine and roses , or tell you that Trump's got horns on . And guess what ? No matter what he does , it's horrible . Guess what ? It's not either one , it's both .

He's a human being and we're going to talk about these things because it's important . And so this whole thought process that you're condescending we're not condescending , by the way . We're not condescending , no , we're just when we talk about other candidates and what's going on and some of the good and bad that goes with it .

What's going on with Biden and his continued collapse we're going to talk about all that on this episode too , but just realize that we're going to stay on top of all these things and make sure we give you as much information as we can .

So this one goes back to the Brett O'Donnell one and we were discussing in the Brett O'Donnell the answer for Republicans on the abortion issue and we shared a little bit about the Nikki Haley's answer and then we asked Brett , what do you think that most of these folks should be saying or not saying , or is there a response that would be better served ?

That's kind of what we asked him and Greg Gonzalez wrote in this and said respectfully again , I disagree with his assessment of debating abortion . A Christian cannot compromise with evil or imply that evil is acceptable , nor can they divorce the ends from the means . We can't be vague . Blah , blah , blah .

It is not a bad thing to live a principal life opposed to clear evil . This is our direction from Christ . And he goes on to like listen scripture and stuff , which is , you know , nobody disagrees with being a Christian and having your personal pro-life stance , but that's not what Brett O'Donnell was on the show to talk about .

And so sometimes we're talking about tactically what's the best way to say to people hey , how do we get to a more acceptable spot for everybody ?

Because I think this thought process , that abortion up to birth is what everybody wants Of course not , I don't think they do but at the same time , we as pro-lifers have to understand that this thought process of it's our way or the highway , it's all or nothing , guess what ?

So sometimes when you have these discussions with strategists , some of it is a tactical , you know , a look at , hey , how best can we approach this so that we can win hearts and minds ? And you have to win hearts and minds by winning people over to your side , and that doesn't always include everything all at once .

And so that's the point , and I was hit with that when I ran . A bunch of Republicans have been hit with that . A bunch of statewide ballot initiatives have all gone in one direction on that .

I'm not here to disagree with Greg and Zallis on that or not , but the point is is exactly what you just said a lot of states are voting on this and they're not voting in that direction . They're voting where they want it to have some restrictions , but they want abortion to be allowed in their states .

It's tough issue in how do you take that personal feeling , that conviction that you know you have , and try to bring that to somebody who may not share that with you . That's a lot of hard work . It's a lot of hard work to take people around you and say look , I know you may not fully agree with me on this , but let me make the case to you .

Let me show you why I feel this way , and maybe you make an inch , but it's an issue didn't have before .

This should be playing on a continuous loop in the New Mexico roundhouse , as as well as the US Capitol and White House . That was actually . He went on to say more things , but that's that one .

And then frequency modulator says the fact that mark would even go down to the border to report what's going on shows that he is more serious than 99% of politicians , who won't go down there to see it with their own eyes . And that got a lot of likes .

How often do you read about it in our papers , on our TV stations ?

I mean no offense towards you , mark , it's not that you're not a great reporter , you are , but it's not like it's . It's it's far reaching to say , okay , I need to show what the other side is saying about this issue . Where . What does this look like on the other side of the border ? How is this impacting people personally ?

Like what , when we did the interview showing that , hey , when people have got the backyard right up against the border , what are they facing on a daily basis and what is this bringing into the town of El Paso and then further into Texas and on up into New Mexico ? So yeah , great point .

But then I couldn't help wondering just what is Mexico doing to protect their coastal borders from the infiltration of illegal immigrants ? The other thing is it sounds like they pick and choose who they want to keep and if they're good workers then they're keepers and they're allowed to stay in Mexico .

But the trouble that unwilling individuals get pushed through to our borders , I thought that was interesting . I mean , that's kind of what they said I mean it wasn't like again . That's exactly what that guy said that you were talking to . They had hundreds of thousands of people who have come through .

They've offered jobs and a thousand of them have taken a job right the rest are coming into America and they are wanting it their way or the highway , and that's kind of what our whole reveal was is how this is really changing . This is not the immigration of even ten years ago .

But again , there's nothing wrong with a country saying , wait a minute , if you have certain skills , we want you here , like that's actually something we've done in America for a long time . There's nothing wrong with merit-based immigration , you know .

And so the thought process is you know , do you create the wrong incentives when you say to people oh well , you know , you come here . Just because you have relatives here , you get to come here .

You know , there's been a big argument back and forth on that right , and so being able to say , hey , look , you have skills , we want that , there's nothing wrong with that . But but it is .

It is interesting and there are plenty of people in El Paso who are frustrated with war is Because they're like , oh no , no , you guys are a way station for everyone , and then you push them right in .

, yeah . Okay , moving on to other things , because it is Thanksgiving , it's the holidays , right ? Yes , so we got to watch a little bit of TV Undistracted because we were on flights that were long and we don't normally get this much downtime To just have to tap into something completely not really work related .

For you , one of us and a couple of those things were some documentaries , and so we wanted to kind of share our thoughts on some of those .

And that's what made it really interesting , because you not only got to see the stuff he did it was so good but you also see him say that comes with all that success . Even everything he did came with an unbelievable of regret , because he looks at his kids and he lost a son .

He looks at his kids and he says Maybe I I had it wrong , mm-hmm , at least to some degree .

Right , because I didn't get rid of my stick for a while when I was first out there which is miserable in LA with all that traffic and I got up to a light and I didn't realize that light , that I was in the Lane . I was supposed to turn right , I need to go straight , and so I'm like , oh no , no , I need to cut over .

And this happens to a lot of people , right . So you kind of look at the car next to you and you're like , hey , is there any chance ? and it's this really nice sports car next to me right Right and I'm like , hey , and I rolled on my window and I'm like , hey , I'm in the wrong lane , I'm really sorry , is there any way ?

I could just , you know , get in front of you at really fast ?

And he goes , by all means , and I was like , oh my gosh , you are , you're , you're , you're , you're like I got like Starstruck and I'm like snapping my finger trying to remember his name , and he goes Sylvester Stallone , and I go , yes , and he goes your light screen , and I'm like , oh , okay , and so I go buzzing . You know , I move .

My little Honda has what . I had and I go driving and he just goes . He just passes right by me like two seconds later but I'm funny and then I get to a play and I'm sitting next to Dean Kane , who played Superman at the same time . So in one day I met Rocky and Superman . That's my little that's welcome .

It really is because his story he pushes so hard and in his that that seminal moment of like , look , he wrote Rocky and and they did not want him to star in Rocky and he just he held his ground and he had some rough performances before Rocky and he had some rough ones after and he went Through a bunch of different things but it was really cool and he

was . He was just , he just opened up .

So Johnny gets in there , he gets a Texas A&M and is freshman . Yeah , I mean , just lights it up , he's . Yeah , he's a Heisman .

He basically tanks it absolutely because he can't be self-disciplined enough to Pull back and do what everybody else who's worked really hard for something does , and that's kind of what . At least that was my takeaway .

So I liked the first half and then I was like enough , this kid is just he's bugging me because you have this kind of Opportunity and you waste it . I know a lot of people have stuff like that . That has happened in similar situations . Oh yeah but , holy cow , I didn't need to watch the end of that one .

Whatever Johnny could run really well . He's again , he's good , throw over the football . But he was a more slight guy , so so there are some teams who are like guys , too small . Others looked at his personality and said man , this guy's going off the rails . He was drinking a ton . He was . He was making money on the side .

He was signing stuff on the side and making tons of money . Now Now he'd easily be able to . He would assign a huge NIL deal right now .

He this would have been Johnny's time and in fact , because of what happened with Johnny football that's some of why we are where we are in College sports college sports , because you're signing all these deals Johnny would have made millions . He would have made millions . Now . It probably would have hastened his .

You know , had you know , he'd have gone right off the cliff anyway . But when the Cowboys are drafting him , they were looking at drafting him and there's a lot of reports out there that Jerry Jones Went into the draft room and was like , look , we got to draft this guy . Like we got to do it . And Jerry's son , steven's like Jerry , no , like he's .

This is not good . He does not have the the mental makeup to be a successful NFL quarterback , and so it came down to the wire . I'll never forget .

I was on a dinner break from KRQE , coming back here to watch some of the draft and I'm rolling and I'm listening in the cars , I'm slow , rolling it up to our house and all of a sudden , you know , the Dallas Cowboys select Zach Martin with with the with that pick in the 2014 draft . Well , zach Martin has turned out to be a hall of fame player like .

He's an offensive lineman . It's not a sexy pick , but it's great pick . And and Johnny ends up going down and going to Cleveland and within a couple years , he blows out in Cleveland . He he ends up in huge , huge issues . I think he's now is getting his life back on track . Yeah , it's to some degree it's an interesting .

It's interesting to watch , but you're right .

It reminds me of a smaller you know it's a smaller ski resort and it is in the Lake Tahoe .

It will keep you on the edge of your seats , it's really good . It's really well shot and it's a great story .

I mean , this was a deadly avalanche in 1982 and , having skied Alpine meadows , it has a reputation of being one of these areas has great terrain it really does , but the mountain itself is set up for avalanches , like it just it is , and so they had some of the best people in the country developing an avalanche plan , which they did really well , but it wasn't

enough . And so for anybody who's ever skied in the Lake Tahoe area , you want to talk about some of the heaviest snow in the country . It's Tahoe , it really is Tahoe . When they get slammed with big time storms , it is like nothing I've ever seen .

I've been in Tahoe at times , especially at Squaw and Alpine , where you've been waist deep in powder and it just dumps . I mean , you know the Donner party , like the whole thing , like .

So if you're looking for a well done show , okay , and we're going to jump ahead on some more lighter fare of shows I liked a lot . I know this is ones that are not your cup of tea .

It's based on World War II . A blind girl who ends up using a radio to give like secret commands to the French to go against Nazi Germany Right . And the woman that plays this main part she really is blind in real life . She's not even an actress . This is the first part she ever got . She was tremendous and it was so well executed .

I don't know why Rotten Tomatoes is destroying this mini series . I thought it was really good .

My daughter was like this is so intense . There is some parts that are pretty hard to look at because a lot of graphic things happen in the movie . As far as you know , you get banged up . Pretty bad turns out if a tsunami hits you . Yeah , but it's . It's an impressive story .

I went , we went and read the article afterwards about how close was this film to real life . It appears to be dead on , according to the family . So , no pun intended , it was really well done , very entertaining as well and , holy cow , it kept your attention . So that's the other one and the last one I'm going to talk about is lessons in chemistry .

Not your favorite , but mine Mark's . Mark's given up on lessons in chemistry . It won best book in 2023 . Or 2022 . Okay , I read the book as part of my book club . I thought it was a great book . It gets a little . There's a little bit of liberal , like a little bit of you know , I am woman here me Roar in it a little bit .

It's , it's a sweet drama and it's on Apple TV and I don't know how many episodes are out . I don't know how many there are . Total .

I don't know , you guys always ask for the one thing for me to make , the one consistent thing every time .

And then you , you just fill the , the sweet potatoes with with various copious amounts of butter and everything else .

You know , it'll be interesting to see if I don't bomb everything this year , because I'm going to try a few new things , yeah , so we'll see . I'll see how I do .

Protesters gather in Nob Hill to call for an end to Israel's siege of Gaza . First of all , the headline alone is horrendous , and the journal this . I don't understand them . I really don't .

And Matthew Reisen did this and he's he's done some other stuff that is , that is at times is baffling to me , because if you go through and read this article , it is so one-sided . Look , and let me just give you a few of these and then you can , you can kind of react to them . Okay

, all right . So first of all , they say that they're not anti-Semitic . Everybody out there said we're not anti-Semitic . And then this from the river to the sea , palestine will be free . The crowd of about 100 people yelled , parroting those holding the megaphone free Palestine . Okay , by the way , just so you know .

You know what we're talking about here is from the river to the sea . Is Israel right ? And so they're . They're basically . They want people swept out of there ? Okay , because it's ? It's Palestinian land . No , it's not . Jews have been on that land for 3000 years and now suddenly you say it's Palestinian land .

Now , there's a long history to it and the Jews were kicked out and then came back and there's a there's a lot to it . There's no doubt . We don't need to go through all of that now . But one of the people they talked to is Lena Weiss , a Jewish woman who attended with her friend , roger McNeu .

Okay , and these guys had some fascinating comments , and by fascinating , I mean horrific . I think that we'd all benefit , lena says , from sitting down with some truth and reconciliation work . And so we need to have some reconciliation work . Like this is some sort of therapy session . Okay , this is how it works . Hamas has been ruling Gaza since what ? 2007 .

They have been given free reign there and they've been given a tremendous amount of aid , which they have then turned in every way possible to make military weapons , and they kill Jews , like that's been what they've done . So if you're negotiating with someone , you and I are negotiating right , and my starting negotiation point is I need you to die .

How in the world do you expect to sit down and have that debate back and forth .

That day is never happening and I don't know why people hear I don't know if it's because you grow up in America and you have no idea of what it actually is like when you're there .

But I would highly recommend people go and listen to some other commentary from not only Jewish rabbis and Jewish people that live there , who live both sides actually , they live both sides . Also , the daily , the New York Times daily podcast . I was shocked , but they do a couple of really good stories on this .

I think when it interviewed the Hamas leaders two weeks ago and they did a podcast on it and , shockingly , the Hamas want to kill the Jewish people . That's their goal . That's what they actually admit to . So it's like come on , you guys wake up .

This is not gonna come together , we're not gonna have a kumbaya , a sit-down , and we're all gonna get along with each other . Americans , in my opinion , have no concept of the hatred that is going on over there .

When you hear that stuff , it makes me sick to my stomach actually , and here's the issue too , as you hear one of the last quotes in here , they're pushing the Palestinians again .

But that's again completely ahistorical from people who , as you said , have no concept of what they're dealing with here and they're shocked when they find out wait a minute , gosh , these Hamas guys , these are some rough characters . I mean , yeah , yeah , that's how it works . They want Jews dead .

And then you want to sit down and have a circle of trust and say let's just all hold hands in the circle of trust and try to solve this . There's no solving anything with someone who wants you dead , and Israel has gone out of its way to protect people in the Gaza Strip .

So the thought process that there is a genocide you either don't know the meaning of the word or you are deliberately ignorant of the facts . So that's simple .

Either I either read the articles or I listen to podcasts , or I listen to podcasts or I listen to people that are living there and are experiencing it . To get both sides of this story and , I'm sorry , I don't understand . I mean , I can't even get when people are like well , I'm siding with Palestinians , but I'm not pro-Hamas .

I'm sorry , it doesn't work that way . Hamas isn't even pro-Palestinians , they're even after them . I mean , in all aspects . They're not protecting their people at all . They use them as human shields . They don't even respect them . So they have to be taken out . You have to take out Hamas .

They just rubber stamp and they say the dumbest things in this article and then they just pass them off like , well , that's what they think and let's move on , and that's just not . I mean , it is so damaging to have reporting being that inept or that biased . That's really what it ends up being .

It ends up being a combination of bias and ineptitude which leads you to a road where people start thinking , oh my gosh , the Palestinians had this land for decades . Oh , okay , decades are nothing . And , by the way , no , they haven't . And so that's where some of this is crazy .

And , by the way , israel has two million Arabs that live in peace with them in Israel . Muslims , they live there . They're part of the Knesset Like they're part of the government , so Israel is not the ones who are saying it's our people and we wanna kill all of you . It's Hamas doing that , it's too many on the Palestinian side doing that .

So again , it's just it's out of control . I do not get it . I do not get it .

John Cardinelli did it , tj Wilhelm did it and I think Vince Rodriguez or Shooter did it . The quality of what they did was really good , like as you watch it . They put a lot of work into it and it was good storytelling and well done , and so I think it's really it's interesting . Now , do I think there are issues with it ? I do .

I mean I don't think they challenged enough , like this professor from UNM , who you happen to be seeing a clip of if you're watching this , came out and said some ridiculous things . Like you know that none of the issues we're having are because of catch and release , and there's a lot of , there's a lot of .

They're running a lot of cover in this and they and I think they should have been challenged more . Okay , cause you got a lot of different leaders running cover , but you got times when , like Raul Torres said , you know the Arnold tool , for example .

It's one of these things that where , basically , the Arnold tool is they , they , they put a bunch of factors into an equation and tell you whether you should be let out of jail , basically on pretrial release . Well , well , effectively , what the Arnold tool does is it lets everybody out , right , and so everybody gets to go out .

Well , now , finally , they're stopping that , they're not using the Arnold tool anymore . It's something we talked about in the campaign quite a bit , so there's a bunch in here , but the overall takeaway there is one screen capture to me which was interesting and I want to show you this screen capture , and here it is .

This is the screen capture from the channel seven half hour special . That I thought was absolutely illuminating because it tells you everything you need to know . In 2011 , there were 35 murders in Albuquerque with 2,500 people held in jail at any one time . Okay , now , last year we had 125 murders , 1,341 people held in jail .

We don't keep people in jail and it makes this state , and this city in particular , incredibly dangerous . So then you have a half hour show where they address some of those issues to their credit , and then other times they completely run cover and they don't address the issues and hold our leaders responsible , like they should .

But at least channel seven went out there and started to talk about these issues in a really serious way .

We talked about the fact that people coming over the border now more so than ever , are not coming here necessarily to work , and this is something that came from Juarez . This came from leaders in Juarez who said what we're seeing more and more is people coming here wanting to fight the government for benefit .

They want their benefits , they think they're entitled to them , and so you're seeing fights on the border . Okay , because of it , it's happening in Juarez , it's happening in the United States and now it's happening in New York . And so listen , here we can actually bring up the sound too .

So there are migrant advocates who are protesting out in front of the mayor's house in New York City saying wait a minute . We have a right to having a place to live , so immigrants are welcome as one thing .

This is something totally different , which is you get a place to live , we're going to set you up with everything , and that's exactly what we found and what they said in Mexico .

Like nobody's handed me a phone , nobody's giving me a free place to stay , nobody's doing anything , just handing me anything Like I do not understand where . I mean , I just think this is just propaganda and this is just kind of things that have been evolving over time . From other people that have seen that this is actually what happens .

They're coming here and they're giving all this stuff . So call their relatives , call their friends , come on up , you get a phone , you get money for food , you get a place to stay . They even rent out hotels .

They have it because we've set that expectation in some cases and then you have people coming from countries where the expectation is you fight it out and you get the government to give you what you need . So just seeing more and more of this is it's illuminating because of what ? We learned in Mexico .

We got to be loving and caring and take care of these migrants and all this stuff . Well , wake up , because you're going to get something that's going to be maybe not exactly what you were expecting to start with no . So it's very different than the days of 10 years ago .

We don't have the school space , we don't have the linguists , we don't have people to teach these , like there's a bunch of issues here and this is not being dealt with . There's one of the reasons Biden is in so much trouble , and so the latest numbers on that are ugly , and David Axelrod just keeps backing the bus over Joe Biden .

So those of you who don't know who David Axelrod is , he was a Barack Obama's number one political strategist . Well , here we go again . He comes out this week once again saying Biden's chances of winning are less than 50-50 now , and he is trying to sound the alarm in every way possible that Biden's got to be , got to be changed out .

And then you find out there's more polling data that shows Trump destroying Biden . There's just one point I want to make about the Trump polling data . I know I'm anti-Trump and I and I love Trump . I know that .

One of these polls was , but it shows former President Trump would not only defeat President Biden , by the way , in 2024 , he may well defeat other people that they try to put up in front of him as well , just because the policies are are seen as so toxic that the Biden is brought to fore here .

But just remember this , if you're you're thinking about Trump if he's even close to Biden in a national survey , he's destroying him , because you have to remember that the way the electoral college works , if Biden is is not ahead by at least five points , he's in some real trouble and he's losing in every single swing state .

So if you're hearing that that Trump is literally ahead of Biden by four or five points , that's going to be an absolute slaughter , like Trump will destroy him at those numbers .

And so I just have always believed Democrats knowing this , knowing that that Biden has to be well ahead of him in a national election and definitely has to be ahead of him in these swing state races . He's not ahead in any of them , so are they ? really going to let him sit there and walk him over this cliff when Trump's just waiting to eat him alive ?

There's no way .

Well , if you looked at a lot of the media coverage of her this week , it is ramped up significantly where basically the media is looking for somebody to be the alternative of Trump and who could do it , and Wall Street eyes Nikki Haley as a Trump spoiler .

Was the Wall Street Journal headline and effectively what it talks about from the journal is the fact that she's got a lot of big time supporters and then a bunch of these articles get into that .

Nikki Haley has been in some really tight , tough spots and as somebody who can fight it out in a way , that is probably what it would take to be able to handle this type of situation . So it is interesting and there's a lot of big money Republicans who who want an alternative to to the Trump Biden matchup .

No doubt and again I'm not talking about solely Republican donors either there's there's people like Jamie Dimon from JP Morgan , who's not a Republican but he's like yeah , I don't . You know , this Biden thing ain't working and Nikki Haley's got a chance to do something here .

So it's just interesting because you see a bunch of these articles now all starting to come out and say , okay , it could be Haley versus Trump , but for that to happen , it's got to be Iowa , which was going to be key in all this , because if , if Rhonda Sanchez falls behind Nikki Haley , that could be what needs to happen here and could she beat DeSantis in

Iowa .

So one of the big articles was talking about how Haley has has been in some spots that are are ugly for her family and ugly for her , and she's the person to handle this . So it's just interesting to see how it all shakes up .

Like I I'm , I've been the underdog in almost every single situation and I've won in almost every situation I've been in . So it will be interesting to see how does this shake out . You know you got the governor of Iowa now backing Ron DeSantis right , that's big .

To see where that leads We'll have to find out and see what happens .

These HG this is the last story I've got these HG shows are starting to get called out for wrecking people's houses . Yeah , and these the property . No one gets on the property . Brothers , these guys are incredible . Look in the beards . And you got you got one .

So this is the King family and they were promised a signature Scott Brothers look a massive new kitchen with an island , clean looks and high end fixtures . But they say the HGTV disaster began at the reveal in February of 2019 with the brothers . Our reveal took hours to film because we're like what's wrong with this ? Why does this look like this ?

Mindy told the post . From there it went downhill in 2021 . They sued the shows production company and the construction company that worked for the show , the Allegiant Corp pavers , that they were saddled with water intrusion , electrical code , fire violations and a stove grouted to the wall with drywall crushing a gas line .

The show is built on their reputation , which hopefully is hey , we know how to construct good properties for you . We're not like we're not just two kids that decided to do this to be TV stars right , we actually know what we're doing . They clearly got the wrong team in place to do the construction .

Yeah , you didn't mention it here , but this couple had to pay $200,000 to even be on the show and to hire this construction crew . So it's like , okay , if any mom , like if you and I hired somebody to build a house for us and they built it faultly , would that not be resolved fairly quickly ?

You stop messing around with these people's home and their lifestyle . If you're going to build a show , you're going to build a show around building a house . Make the house high quality . And I just said no , I don't have any patience for that . I worry so much . When I even do remodels , I want my clients to be happy , so I checking with them constantly .

I don't pick one thing until I've run it by my client first and just said hey , I just want to make sure this is cool for you and you like it . Right , I mean this trim piece , are you cool with it ? I like it , but I want to make sure you like it .

I don't know what happened here , doing like grouting a wall , drywalling an oven into the wall and blocking a gas line . Yeah , it looked rough , it sounds like somebody like you hired a kid from high school to come in here and put this thing together .

If you're going to hire people to work on your home and this is kind of what I say is a designer you , you , if you're hiring a designer , trust the designer's expertise in this particular situation .

If you want to DIY it and you want to go to Home Depot over the weekend and pick out your own supplies and go home and do it yourself and do that , if you're not qualified to do that , then hire a designer and a contractor and trust the fact that they're going to do a good job for you and make sure there's really good , open communication with those guys

the whole time . Like that's kind of the way I value my team , I question my team . I want us to all have good communications , so with our clients , and then I want people to stand by it . I think , of it like it's my what I think of it as my money .

When it's my clients money , would I spend this money on doing this thing in this kitchen or in this bathroom ? I want to make sure the value is there and I want to make sure the quality is there , and that's what you need to look for in a contractor , designer , whoever you hire .