Episode 42: Israel Under Attack/Is This The End Times With Pastor Nate Heitzig

So we want to kind of update you on some of what's been going on and share with you some view from the ground , and a lot of the video you're going to see on here is not going to be pleasant .

But I think it's important that we understand the magnitude of what's going on here and I think we all feel it in this country right now . We all feel this sense of things spinning out of control .

But it is and we got to talk about it and I hope people don't turn from talking about it and want to address it .

So Nate's going to talk to us about that from a biblical point of view , and then , before we get to Nate , we're going to go through what's already happened , what's likely to be the steps forward here in the next couple of weeks and what's likely to happen here in America , because what we're seeing in America is an interesting mix right , I mean a mix of some

really solid support for Israel , but then also very troubling science to me , and some of what we're seeing come out of some of our political leaders and , more appropriately , some people marching in New York City on Sunday . Propalistinian protests the day after they kill 700 innocent Israelis . I mean , that's just inexplicable to me .

So , and I understand there's a debate on both sides here , seemingly , but there is no debate on this . I understand longstanding issues , but this is indefensible and disgusting . So we want to address it and we will , and so and I'm sorry that this is going to be one of the shows going to be a little rough .

The last show we talked about crime was a little rough too . I promise we are going to get to some positive content eventually , but this is when we have to address .

They at least be addressing it . They're not . That floors me , in all honesty , Either . I don't know how you'd be oblivious to this being such a big deal . You know when Israel is declaring war on Hamas . That's a big deal , and you know the fact that we're not really well .

So so what you see here and it's tough to see from this wider map here , but you know it's basically kind of in the southern portion of Israel is where the Gaza Strip is , and the Gaza Strip , to give you an idea , is basically 25 miles long and about six miles wide . Okay , so not a huge area .

There's been a lot of tension back and forth about this area . We're not experts on the Middle East , so we're not going to try to educate you on everything that goes on there .

But basically what Hamas did was has spent the past better part of the past 10 years getting ready for this , and so what they did is they they came in on Sunday and or actually , on Saturday excuse me and and basically variety of ways they came in with bulldozers , they came in with parachutes , I believe , paragliders , paragliders paragliders .

They paraglided into a concert which which we won't show you that video , but they killed 260 people at that concert .

Hey , let's go tighten it in on Gaza , in the description of Gaza , so that there's where you see the description of Gaza and this is controlled by , you know , the Hamas terrorist organization . Okay , they're basically a terrorist group that that you know controls this small stretch of land and basically they just punctured into Israel through their border .

Okay , they had a huge fence and everything . They just bulldozed it . And then they , they went in and tried to go in a variety of different ways , some by sea , some by air and then some on the ground .

And then they , as they went in , they just wiped everybody out that they could Women , children , elderly , didn't matter and then they took other people hostage .

They have taken a massive hit here and things had been relatively relatively quiet over the past 10 years , so it's been skirmishes , things going back and forth . This is going to blow all that out of the water , because if you're the Israelis right now , you have no choice .

So is Israel used to operate under the the you know kind of ethos of we will do whatever we have to do to get our people back , but if their thought process is we're going to come into your country and steal women and children , no , the Israel's then going to go in to the Gaza Strip and wipe it out Well , and get who they need .

We show you this to show you the horrendous nature of what was done . And so here it is , and this is these are four elderly people waiting at a bus stop , and we don't need to get any closer than that . We're good , but there's a shot in the head . These people are completely defenseless and they're shot in the head .

And then not only that , but but they go , and they go into this concert , right .

She was there for a concert and so they killed Shawnee . They have her in the back of a truck , basically with their underwear on , and that's it . And they're all celebrating . They're all celebrating and cheering what they're doing right here .

But the point is is , when things are this bad , when they're this , if anybody comes out in defense of this group , we have a serious issue and we and people should be very aware of that .

You know , I I understand that there has been activity fighting amongst this group and Israel for a long time , like you just said , but this is there's a zero excuse for this under any circumstance .

to describe this . And again , here's another , another group clip five Eva .

They go into the home of someone who they've already killed and they got the family and they got two little kids there and they've killed a third child and they're holding the family hostage , which they're just sitting there , and the little girl says you know , I wanted her to stay alive , meeting her sister . There's no chance she'll come back .

The little girl's asking her mom this and she and the child said there's no chance and the mom says no , there's not . The little boy is crying , the little girl is crying .

And you can bring up just a little bit of audio with this If you can . Just underneath it . We don't have okay . So we don't have audio with this . That's fine . So one of the things that goes is that these , these fighters , whatever these coward terrorists have gone in grabbed a girl and they loaded her into a Jeep .

They beat the heck out of her and they're pulling her out of this Jeep and pulling her in here . They're kidnapping her because they want these grabbing her by the hair and throwing her in a car . So this is it .

They wanted to show it off , and so they went into Facebook pages , they went into Instagram accounts that were Israeli and they took people's phones and showed what they were doing .

So , when it comes down to and the reason we do this and again , I'm sorry this is like this for the first 12 minutes of the show , but the reason we show you this is because there's something else coming , and it's going to be Israel stop addressing this . Ceasefire , ceasefire , ceasefire .

How do you have a ceasefire with people who will take your most vulnerable citizens and slaughter them ? There is no ceasefire . We wouldn't do that in America , and we didn't do that on 9-11 . We went after the people who did this and kept going , and so for the , I think the media in this country is setting up for that .

I'm trying really hard to see kind of all the sides of this and I feel like , with when Israel starts the real attack , it's exactly what you're saying . The other side is going to come out and be like whoa , whoa , whoa , wait , israel . This is terrible . You know , like cease fire , stop , stop , stop . And I'm like no way .

We're gonna be for soccer game or we're gonna be for baseball game or we're , you know , our kid is at an acting competition and that's what we're focusing on here . Back in here in America , I can't imagine somebody coming into our house , taking , killing us , taking our kids thinks .

You know , it's like we need to start really realizing this isn't just a place that's super far away . This is something that these are human beings just like the rest of us , that are just trying to live their daily lives and that are completely innocent in the situation .

eight Ava . This is the reaction to what happened in Iran . Now , the reason Iran is important is because Iran gives all the financial support to Hamas to do these things . Iran's the number one sponsor of terrorism in the world . Iran loves it when innocent blood is spilled in America or in Israel , so we can act like it's not happening .

We can try to give Iran billions of dollars , like President Biden has done . It's devastating Because you can say , oh well , that money didn't go to this , Well , it doesn't matter . Okay , it doesn't matter . If you give Iran billions , that gives them billions more to spend on killing people , especially Israelis and Americans . So this was the reaction in Tehran .

In case you can't see it , those are fireworks , yeah fireworks celebratory . Celebratory events .

I understand there are people who will argue that the issues with Palestinians and Israelis and everything else . The day after Palestinian militant groups kill 700 Israelis , you're going out and walking down New York City with them . We got open borders , we've got all this . Do you not think bad things can happen here ? This is just devastating and it's ridiculous .

Kathy Hockel , the governor of New York , said this is abhorrent . She's like this is abhorrent and good for Kathy Hockel . I'm no Kathy Hockel fan , clearly , but she said the right thing . Well then , some Israeli and some pro-Israel groups and some Israeli groups stood next to him and here was their reaction . Shame on you , shame on you , shame on you .

They said shame on you with their Israeli flags . Good for them . Right , Stand up against this stuff . I mean , this is awful .

Five minutes later it was pulled .

He sees this and he fires back with a tweet that I think was exactly on point , and Senator Cruz said this is disgraceful and every single person involved in the drafting and approving of this tweet should be immediately expelled from the US government . That is exactly right .

They , for whatever reason I don't understand what it- is Right .

They then have that money freed up to support more people across the globe who want us dead . I mean , it's that simple . So stop thinking you can work some deal with Iran . Oh no , that's okay , we'll figure it out , we'll do the JPOA and we'll figure out , you know , the new JPOA and see if we can figure out . You can't do it , okay , they want you dead .

So there's one way to do this , unfortunately , and that is defend the people of your country and stop their ability to cause absolute havoc . But here's what worries me in the US , and again , we're gonna wrap this up here in just a couple of minutes and get to Nate , but I wanna do a couple of clips on US media , because US media is gonna turn on this .

The mainstream media NBC , msnbc , cbs . These guys are gonna turn and start saying Israel's going too far .

The Israeli government , the Israeli people , the state of Israel puts an enormous value on getting its people back , whether they are alive or whether they are dead .

And if there are live Israelis soldiers , but especially if there are civilians inside of Gaza right now , there is almost no length that the Israeli government will not go to to get them back , and it may be that this Israeli government , this extreme right Israeli government under the leadership of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu , feels it has no short .

They can't do that anymore . They've gotta go in and wipe them out .

They do not promote freedom , they do not promote women . They are anti women , they are anti LGBTQ , they are anti almost everything that the left side supposedly is in favor of . So how in their right mind , are they going to justify supporting Hamas on this or showing any sort of compassion towards Hamas ?

Now I realize these guys are trying to be pundits and everything else , but just listen to what is said about halfway through this and we'll stop it right after .

It's not something we're hearing from American politicians this morning . It's not something we're hearing from . I think the only comment I've heard is from the government of Qatar this morning about this .

As per you know , the experts , the leading UN agencies and leading human rights organizations around the world , like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International , their word is reliable and acted on in other areas , but not here .

Because Israel is the US's ally , because Israel , you know , we spend taxpayer money on buying Israel defense systems and trying those defense system on Palestinians .

And then people who are in their silo , who just watch MSNBC and just surround themselves with this sort of thing , like you mentioned , all the time that you know you listened to other sources and I do as well , but you do especially , and that's important because it is important to understand what people are talking about .

But if you never step outside that silo , you're the idiot who says , oh , we gotta have context . There's no context to what ?

I think we should show this Tom Cotton tweet that just came out .

That's what's coming , and resist the temptation to say , well , maybe they should , let's . I mean , look , Israel has been violated in a way that has not been , there's no equivalent in our lifetimes . So I think that what they need to do is to stand up and eliminate Hamas's ability to ever do this to them again . Period , just like we would .

And we and , believe me , we have threats in this country . It's very obvious . Israel has one of the most secure borders in the world .

What does this look like in scripture , and is there stuff that we need to be kind of looking out for ? So obviously we're not theologians .

We study scripture , we go to church , we believe in the Bible , for sure , but we wanted to bring in somebody that we felt like would have a lot more information on this and could give us some shots of light on that as well .

It's we want it .

When everything started to break here over the past couple of days with what's going on in Israel , I wanted to bring you in just to talk about it and just kind of get your impression of things .

But we'd love to start by talking about your path real quickly here , because your dad has a reputation of being somebody who dives into the Bible and you you learn things from him that you never imagined and then you were talking about when we were at . Calvary , maybe a week or two after the election .

You know you really did not hold back on what we need to be doing as a Christian community , what we need to be doing when it comes to our kids and our education , and you know our leaders all kinds of things . You were really bold , so you do have a pretty bold way of preaching . Yes , and have you always been like that ? Is that yeah ?

And so you know , I think , that any communicator I'm sure you were the same way you know first stepping into the , the news when you first started becoming a communicator , you emulate people that you admire . Yeah , and so early on when I started teaching , I would emulate , early on . Levi really wanted to be like Levi , so it emulate Levi .

And then there was a season where I really emulated my dad and I had people who really just tried to encourage me to find my own voice , and so I really found that .

You know , I'm kind of an amalgamation of all the people that have influenced me and they have played a role in my life , and so the way that I approach actually teaching the Bible is the way that my dad approaches teaching the Bible , a very expositional , exegetical approach .

But stylistically , the way that I approach it I think is more unique to my voice , is more like Levi Lasko or more like a lot of the younger preachers that I admire and that I like to listen to , and so I find I'm just kind of an amalgamation of the different people who have influenced me and played a role in my life .

But teaching style very much you know Calvary we very much take an exegetical approach . However , by and large , the opportunities that I get to teach usually kind of function as a guest weekend which I get an opportunity , in doing so to be a bit more fiery .

Yeah , or you know , when you're teaching through the book of James , you can't be like , hey , we're going to take a weekend off the book of James to talk about abortion , right .

The lion of the tribe of Judah is on the throne and we need to remind ourselves who we're really following here . And so you know you get those opportunities that you might not get if you're teaching through a series . Sure .

Transgenderism and LGBTQ and the like this is not a political issue , this is a moral issue . And so I think where the Bible kind of intersects and crosses with politics , that needs to be talked about . And you see this in the church in Germany throughout World War II , they were very , very silent on what was happening .

It was said that they would , as the train cars would go by with Jewish people on the cars screaming out . The church pastors would tell people to sing louders , that the choir could drown out the noise of the cries , wow , and that becomes a huge blot upon the church of Germany in the 1940s , and it was very much .

Well , this is political , we just need to preach the gospel , we just need to pray . And that's not the case . The reality is we're in a series right now at Calvary , called Kingdom City , where we're talking about this idea that our city should be a city that reflects and exalts the name of God .

Now I think most people living in Albuquerque couldn't look around and say , oh , my city exalts the name of God , and yet it should . And that should be something we strive for . And social concern and social care is always the system that we're , always the sister of evangelism and a lot of Christians say , well , I'm just an evangelism , I'm just an evangelist .

No , you also have to have some kind of social concern , care , activism in your culture to make a difference . You know , this is the idea of being salt and light . Part of a salt is salt stings . Salt preserves , but salt stings . That hurts . If you have an open wound , you pour some salt in that . You better buckle up because that sucker's going to sting .

And Christians need to recognize our role in society . So we have preserving agent in society and that starts with stinging the conscience of society , telling society things they don't want to hear , waking them up to the depravity of their sin , the way that they're trapped in sin . And we've got to wake them up to that .

And unfortunately sometimes that means being political and being outspoken about those things . But for me , in the realm of church , I draw that line with where it intersects with biblical mandates and teachings .

Do you think this thought process now that things just continue to slide away away from God and toward a worldly or just a conflict-based pathway that if we don't turn this around and put our foot in the ground , we're headed for a very dark place ?

You look at just the rapid aggressive nature of the transgender movement , attacking a Judeo-Christian family mindset . You look at abortion . You look at all these things and I don't think it would be a stretch to say that we live in a very fallen world and it's very concerning .

But I also think that I don't know that I've been in times where I see the light beginning to shine brighter than I ever have before . Now , in the midst of this darkness politically , you have people , not even Christians , who are waking up and saying this is wrong and this is going . This is the problem .

When the left and when left ideologies try to take too much ground too quick , people who might even have in the past agreed with them saying no , no , this isn't good , we need to pump the brakes here . And so you're seeing even non-Christians wake up to this and taking their kids out of schools and putting them in Christian schools .

And you see even non-Christians beginning to see what's happening and saying this is not good and we need to change something here .

And so you see things like the Asbury Revival and you see , on campuses in Texas , these incredible revivals and people getting baptized in lakes in the middle of the night , and you see , you know , the Jesus revolution happening again and you see pirates coven , tens of thousands of people getting baptized and getting saved and you see just these glimmers of light

beginning to shine through people waking up . So I think when it's darkest , it has the most opportunity for revival . We saw this in the 60s and 70s with the Jesus movement .

Let's get to that and discuss , because he talked about the darkness of this .

When you saw what happened here over the past couple of days , what was your first reaction ?

The biggest question when it starts happening is what severity is this going to turn out to be ? You know , in 2021 , I believe Hamas launched about 4,800 rockets in the course of 12 days . Before that , it kind of goes back . Every couple of years there's these attacks . This is different .

In the first 12 hours of this , they launched 3,600 rockets and they're attacking by land , air and sea . This is now . They're saying this is the most significant attack on the Jewish people since the last year of World War II . So before , in day one , they were saying this is the most significant attack since Yom Kippur , which is 50 years earlier .

This is literally the 50 year anniversary of Yom Kippur , and so they were saying this is the worst from there . But now it's progressed . I think they're saying now , the most recent report that I read was something like it was 600 , I think it even rose to 900 .

This is a fear campaign and a campaign that is designed to escalate , designed because it's supported by Iran . So when you look at all of that together , what does that tell you ? Just from a personal and then from a biblical sense .

They're operating animalistically and they're operating in a sense of terrorists . And so people a lot of times get mad at Israel and say , well , why is Israel so heavy handed ? Because you need to recognize the enemy they're fighting . They're not fighting by an enemy that operates by rules or gives human dignity or any of those things . They're fighting terrorists .

Tamos is a terrorist organization , so don't let them call themselves anything different . And you look at the way that they're attacking , you look at what they're doing . They're not just fighting a physical battle , it's a mental battle . They're trying to break down Israelis through fear .

They're trying to use tactics that strip human dignity and make people look like animals . We're talking rape , torture , murder . These are the things where they're recording videos torturing the people that they've abducted . And these aren't army . These aren't just army and generals that they're abducting . These are women and children .

And I mean that's what I think is crazy about the culture we live in today is I couldn't see that happening 22 years ago , but I could 100% see it happening today .

For I don't know , in my lifetime you know , even as a you know maybe not as much as a teenager , but when I kind of came into college and a little bit older that really there's no , you know , everything's okay as long as can't we all live and love together and just like really no defined rule and no real understanding .

I just feel like in that equation God's law often is not respected . I mean , I don't know if that's fair to say but , that is how I feel that . Like no , there's definitely some God-driven laws here .

If you feel like a cat , I mean , we have litter boxes in classrooms and I think they're cats and I'm like , well , you know , we knew your cat . So if we're going to go that route , I'm just . But I mean it's like we get into this place where , whatever you feel , it must be true .

But feelings , you know , we're told in the Bible that the heart is deceitful and wicked above all things . Who can know it ? That if we operate based on our feelings , we've got to recognize our feelings fluctuate constantly and I think you know living your life off feeling is why we see the divorce rate so high , because one day you don't feel in love .

It's why we see abortion so high . Well , I don't feel that I want this baby . I mean , I think we can trace a lot of that to moral relativism , which really roots to this idea of self as a God . You know people who want . whatever they want is number one , and so we worship ourselves as God . We've exchanged the truth of God for a lie .

We've taken the created thing and put it above the Creator , and we now worship the created thing over the Creator . And when you have all this , that falls out of balance , you see what was happening in society .

So that may not end up being a big deal , but we do know Iran is in the middle of this

. What do you fear as far as a wider war ? On what could happen here ?

We have to understand this is part of Satan's design . Satan is out to attack the Jewish people From the garden . This has happened .

So in the Garden of Eden , when Satan was issued a promise from God and said that the seed of woman will crush your head and you will bruise his heels , Satan's plan from that point became how can I stop the seed of man from crushing my head ? And he went about this many different ways . The first way , in the days of Noah .

He went about trying to have angels lay with women . We read about this and there's these spirits that weren't in bondage since the days of Noah and these spirits laid with women and created what you read in the Bible of Nephilim . It's this race of giants that the sons of God laid with the daughters of man and again trying to pollute that bloodline .

Like well , maybe , if I can pollute the bloodline , the seed of man can't crush my head . We see this happening with Moses . We see Pharaoh trying to kill all the firstborn males of the Israelites . We see this with Herod trying to do the same thing Every time .

Satan's plan , up until Christ is born and dies on the cross and rises from the dead , his plan is to try to stop the son of man from coming . It says that in 1 Peter , Jesus descended and he proclaimed the spirits that were in bondage from the days of Noah .

So when Jesus dies on the cross , he comes down into Hades and to these spirits that were in bondage . These are the same spirits that you remember in the story of the demon-possessed man , the demons being exercised , and they beg to go into the pig and not go into the abuso . They know of this pit .

There's this place where demons can go if they're too naughty . God's like all right , you don't get to be loose anymore . You go into the pit , the naughty pit , time out . He goes down there and he proclaims to them basically hey , the seed of man that you tried , the seed of woman that you tried to crush , that's me , I'm him , I beat you , I won .

From that point on , Satan's tactic changes . Satan realizes if he can't stop his head from being crushed , he can cause people to stop believing that God keeps his promises . God made a number of oaths and promises Covenants was what we call them with the Jewish people .

You have the Abrahamic covenant , you have the Davidic covenant , you have all these different covenants . So Satan says , okay , well , if I can't stop Jesus from coming , he's already came . I can cause God not to keep his word . And if God doesn't keep his word , that goes against his nature . And if that goes against his nature , then I can win a different way .

So we see Satan's plan from that point becomes to exterminate the Jewish people .

And this is why you see , all through history , from the birth of Christ , the death of Christ and the resurrection , there has been an attack on the Jewish nation , the Israelite people , historically for 2,000 years and there's always a group that's trying to destroy them , whether that be become part of the Inquisition . You see this in Germany .

There was a lot of antisemitism there early on in Martin Luther's era . There was a lot of antisemitism throughout the Middle Ages and the Dark Ages . There's a ton of antisemitism obviously when you look in 1942 . And there's this huge antisemitism in the Islamic movement . Iran has stated that Israel is the small Satan and America is the large Satan .

And death to Israel and death to America . Iran's goal don't know if there is nothing less than destroying America and destroying Israel , and they will not be satisfied until they cease to exist entirely . If they had the weapons of mass destruction to do it , they would already have fired them at Israel and America and destroyed us off the face of the earth .

So anytime we try to reason with somebody , you can't reason when somebody is unreasonable . If your goal , if your only goal , is to destroy me , there's no point in me reasoning with you . Because your goal is to destroy me , we can't find a middle ground because you're like no , no , no , my middle ground is you're dead .

When we try to reason with Iran and barter with Iran , it's fruitless , because we have to understand this is all a Satanic plot , it's a Satanic ploy , it's Satan working in the hearts of men and whether overarching goal is to destroy Israel , and eventually they will , eventually all the nations will rise up , turn on Israel and at that point , that's when Armageddon

happens and God comes in , the promise keeper , the lion of the tribe of Judah , and says oh , you can roar loud , I can roar louder , I'm going to destroy you all and there will be blood up to the bridle of horses in this valley of Armageddon .

They need these countries to rise up and morally support Israel and say Israel has every right to use extreme prejudice in defending itself and protecting itself . Where I become scared is if this Islamic Palestinian narrative becomes too loud and you start having countries like America say , well , we don't want to get involved in this .

This is really a Palestinian Israel , a moral well , they had a moral relativism to it , correct . So when you start having nations do that , that's when I get scared , because if no nation will come and defend Israel , then Israel is by itself .

And if Israel is by itself , you'll see all the Islamic nations say , oh , israel doesn't have America's protection anymore . America is the big dog on the block . You know , regardless of how America has fallen in the world's eyes , america is still the big dog on the block . We got the weapons , we've got the manpower , we've got the sway .

The second America backs down and stops supporting Israel . Other nations will follow suit . And then the big dog , islamic nations like Iran , like Iraq , even Saudi Arabia they were in peace talks these nations will rise up and realize that Israel is vulnerable and they're attack . So that's the biggest concern for me is when we stop supporting Israel .

And again , there's a biblical precedence here . You see this all through the Old Testament If you're an enemy of God's people , you're an enemy of God . If you're a friend of God's people , you're a friend of God . And so I look at that and that's plus .

I mean not only for weapons and funding and everything else , but just support on the world stage and by the way , this blessing that God gives to those who support his people goes .

When people blessed God's people , whether they were believers or not , god blessed them and God kept that covenant to them . I really believe you know this is what Psalm talks about is pray for the peace of Jerusalem , that all may be well with you and you may prosper .

Is that when we bless Jerusalem , when we bless Israel , god blesses us , and I think there's a large tide of that . It's like , hey , if you're a friend of my people , you're my friend . If you're an enemy of my people , you're my enemy . Very , scary .

But I think what I think kind of is I think a lot of people don't know that specifically and that's why I'm glad that you came here today and kind of can share some of that you know knowledge base , because even , like I said , I've read the scripture a lot , but sometimes it gets kind of like what are we saying here as far as Israel kind of losing its

support ?

Not all of them , not all of them , but , but more than I'm comfortable with .

It's these squad members , it's the AOC , it's the Rashid Tlaib , it's it's this group that is terrifying to me and it's this group that has a huge sway over Gen Y and over Gen Alpha that are thinking the same way that you go into schools that are in this very rapid progressive .

You know , if you think you're a cat , you can be a cat and use a litter box . I mean , it's this that mentality is really spreading , and I think it spreads so quickly . Most people don't know it exists . You know , you mentioned that there's litter boxes in classrooms . Most people laugh , thinking you're making a joke .

I actually mentioned it at Calvary and people laughed and I said I wish that was a joke . That's not .

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So you know they're going to get worse from there as time goes , because what we're going to see now is Israel is going to strike back . There are going to remove Hamas's ability to be able to do what they just did , and so their , their push is going to be further and further away from Israel at a time when they have maximum power .

If you look at every major society through history , the downfall of that society began when there became an over obsession and fascination with gender , gender identity and sexual dysphoria . Yeah , you see it in Greece , you see it in Rome , you see it in Persia . It became when there was an over fascination with men wanting to be women , dressing like women .

You also see this in the slide in a sexual perversion . We read throughout scripture that God gave them over to the wicked and lustful desires of their heart . You see this in Sodom and Gomorrah .

Before God judges Sodom and Gomorrah , it's an over fascination with sexuality , sexual perversion , gender dysphoria and that that really leads into the first step of God's judgment . But really , the first step of God's judgment is God giving people over to the wicked desires of their hearts and then he judges them . Happens with Noah .

God gave them over to the wicked , lustful desires of their hearts . It happened with Sodom and Gomorrah . It happens with every nation that we've seen get judged and no longer exists . The difference today now than before is the world is more connected than it's ever been . No longer is this just one nation .

Because of this globalist mentality we have and because of social media news connecting all of us , it's no longer one nation that God can judge . You look at the landscape now . It's like , well , what nation isn't guilty of this ?

So really , if we look at that landscape , the next judgment that's going to come will not be the judgment of a nation , it will be the judgment of the world , because of the world so connected . And I would argue that we might already be in that first phase of judgment .

But it doesn't mean that we can't stave it off from happening , because if my people will hear my voice and turn from their wicked ways , then I will be merciful and I will reign down mercy upon them .

So if the church responds , sees what's happening , wakes up , starts preaching the gospel , I believe another revival can happen and it can stave off that final ultimate judgment from God for a time .

And I think that as Christians especially , we're kind of like I mean , I'm kind of more and more alert to it .

Yeah , it feels like it's happening a lot more where you almost , you know you want to hesitate because you don't want to offend somebody , right , but you're like this seems weird , this doesn't seem like the design that we're supposed to be living under , but I'm also scared to say anything because I don't want to offend my neighbor , I don't want to offend my

friends , you know , and I think what's interesting is we're seeing rave leaders like you step up and say , hey , listen , this is this . This is nothing new under the sun .

And they did . They did one of those big Lake baptisms , like two weeks ago . I want to say it was in Alabama or something and she wasn't expecting it . She just went to speak and then one of the kids came up and said I want to be baptized . There was a pastor there .

He said let's go down to the lake and you saw hundreds of college kids get baptized in the whole night . So God is absolutely at work . I mean , there is no doubt . But what , okay ? What do you tell us ? That are worried , that are saying , oh , it's not going to get any better , it's going to get worse before it gets better ?

This is the interesting thing I find , and , honestly , this is a blight on Republicans , a blight on Christian Republicans . The past four years have been really bad .

If we look at society , we look at America going down , but most people I see just complaining echo chambers oh my city this , oh my city that , oh my governor this , oh my mayor that , oh my president , this they're just complaining . But complaining can lead to complacency and complacency can lead to catastrophe If we're not careful .

It could really is a slippery slope . So we need to get people who will stop complaining and remind ourselves .

You know what my city might be really broken down right now , but I love my city , I love my country , I live in one of the best countries ever , and as you remind yourself what you love about the place that you're in , you remind yourself that it's worth saving . And so I think what we need to do is we need to have . First , people stop watching .

People are on the sidelines just watching what's happening and just feeling like they're helpless and they can't do anything . They just complain . Stop watching and start working . We see this in Nehemiah . Nehemiah , uh , refused to just sit by and watch . He was , he was in Babylon . He was 800 miles away .

He could have heard the news that Jerusalem was in ruins so that's not my job . But he didn't . He heard it and it broke his heart and he said you know what , if , if my city that's supposed to be all the name of the Lord is in ruins , I should do something about it . So he went back .

He didn't say it's someone else's problem , there's other people there , someone else can fix it . He said I'm going to stop watching and I'm going to start working . So I would say stop complaining and start caring , stop watching and start working . And then last , stop giving in and start giving it your all .

I think too many Christians just kind of give into what's happening . They're like well , there's if . If I speak up , I'm going to get attacked , I'm going to get persecuted , I'm I'm going to get lambast , I'm going to get canceled . Cancel culture , I'm not going to make any money and there's all this fear .

The reality is , salt stings and when it stings people are going to respond aggressively . And so if you start working and you start getting involved in changing your city and changing your society , recognize you're going to get attacked .

Just give it your all , keep working , because that's one thing you know , if Christians just keep working and do it with the right heart , we don't resort to the world's tactics and start using their uh schemes and their gimmicks .

And and you know , it's like it's so funny Christians and Republicans got canceled for two years and it's almost like we realized oh , we can do the same , so we can cancel Bud Light , we can cancel Target . Not , I'm not shopping at Target , I'm not drinking Bud Light .

So I'm not saying that's bad to do , but we have to pair that with um , this , this thing that too many Christians are just known what they're against , not what they're for . Right . So , don't just go in the world of like , I'm against this , I'm against

that . Be active in your city and making a difference and preaching the gospel and changing things . You know , historically , christians have been the ones that started all the uh , the major , you know , salvation army were the ones who have started all the different care care networks and all the nonprofits .

Are you going to be watching for what happens in this country as a reaction to what , justly , would be Israel going in and we're removing a threat that is proven to be incredibly dangerous ?

And you've got to recognize they're only 80 years away from a massacre of their people and they're not going to let that happen again . Still fresh in their memories , it was their grandparents who were dying in Holocaust camps . They're not going to allow that to happen again . So they're going to fight back and they're going to fight back hard .

So I think , in the coming weeks , expect Israel especially with Benjamin Netanyahu leading Israel right now , um , which I'm so thankful he's in that leadership position with what's happening Um , expect them to fight back and fight back very , very hard , and what will appear to some is very heavy handed . I would expect Israel to go scorched earth .

I would expect Gaza , um , you know to to look like a uh , you know , a burning trash yard . Um , in the coming days , I would expect Israel to attack very hard , very brutally . Um , and what I'm , what I'm curious and I'm waiting to see is when Israel counterattacks , how will the nation support them then ?

Cause right now you have Biden coming out and saying Israel has our unequivocal support , and he's been very like wishwash about it . He said they're going to have all of our reasonable or appropriate support .

If they don't expect Iran to get involved and realize okay , all we had to do was push Israel hard enough to attack with extreme prejudice , and they lost the support of the world . And that will give the opportunity for Iran to step in and actually be an aggressor instead of behind the scenes aggressor and come in with more attacks .

But if America stands firm , another country stand firm . That will scare away the big dogs like Iran and some of the other Islamic countries . So that's really kind of what I'm looking at and waiting for .

There was a huge amount of division in our country against kind of the old ways that were set in place and these young people wanted to have free sex and drugs and all this , all that that came out of that . There was a lot of political division . You know you have Watergate happening .

You have , I mean , all this stuff happening , wars happening , but I think we saw people respond to the gospel . We saw revival happening . That's what I said before . I think we live in darker times than I've ever seen before , but I don't know that I've seen the light beginning to shine brighter than it has in a long time .

So I think if we let that revival catch fire again , if my people who are called by my name will turn from their wicked ways , then I will heal their land . If we want our land to be healed , we need to turn from our wicked ways and I believe God is just and he keeps His promises and I think we can see our land healed .

You know , I'm encouraged by the younger , younger generation , like by the age of your kids and some of these younger kids that I'm seeing that generation start to wake up to some of this as well . And I have a huge amount of hope to see this .

There's a book this isn't biblical , extra biblical book called the Fourth Attorney of you right , that book , you guys should read it , you'd like it . It talks about this idea that we really have and you see this throughout history and I really think that's God's judgment Four turnings that happen . You have a season where good times breed weak men .

Weak men bring in bad times . Bad times make strong men . Strong men bring in good times . That's interesting and it's really these four cycles and turnings . We're in a season right now where weak men have brought in bad times , but I think those bad times are starting to breed some strong men and women .

And I think those strong men and women are going to have to rebuild a lot of the rubble that the weak men and women have caused , and that will bring in some good times .

We did that and we appreciate you coming in and kind of giving us reason for optimism and again get involved and , as you said , make change and you can do it and God is waiting , waiting to lead you , whether you believe it or not , get your house in order .

We've got Alex to sit down with us for about 40 minutes to talk about his books fossil future and the moral case for fossil fuels , and a state that produces more oil and gas than just about any other state in the country and one of the best producers in the world . We thought it was important to talk to him and he's a really interesting guy .

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