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Episode 203: What Happens When Elected Officials Stop Serving and Start Performing? The Melanie Stansbury Story

Jun 25, 2025‱45 min
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🔱 Melanie Stansbury’s Math Fail

Congresswoman Melanie Stansbury brought props to a committee hearing
 and they completely backfired. She proudly held up a sign meant to support her argument—but the numbers didn’t even add up to 100%.
Republicans pounced.
But instead of laughing it off, Stansbury doubled down and threw a fit.

Mark breaks it all down—and argues that New Mexico deserves better than this kind of unserious behavior from its elected officials.

📉 Trouble for Deb Haaland?

Deb Haaland’s new campaign video for Governor is raising eyebrows—and Krysty explains why it could backfire.
Sam Bregman will still get smoked by Haaland in the primary but Harland’s struggles could make the race more exciting. We break down how the messaging missteps are already starting to show.

đŸ‡źđŸ‡± Israel-Iran Conflict: The Truth Behind the Leaks

The media is reporting that the latest U.S.-backed Israeli strike on Iran’s nuclear program may have only set it back a few months.
Mark isn't buying it.
We go behind the headlines and explain why this leak may be more about political cover than truth—and what’s next in this escalating conflict.

đŸŽ„ Krysty’s Netflix Pick: The Karen Read Case

Krysty gives her take on the new Karen Read documentary on Netflix that’s catching fire across the country.
If you haven’t watched it yet, she tells you why you should—and what it says about justice in America.

đŸ» New Segment Alert: Mark’s Trail Cams

We close the show with something fun and wild—literally.
Mark unveils his new segment: “Mark’s Trail Cams”
Captured high in the northern New Mexico mountains, you’ll see:

  • A curious bear
  • A sneaky coyote
  • And an elk for the ages



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Transcript

⁠¶ Show Introduction and Topics Preview

Speaker 2

all right , all right , here we go . Um okay , quick , uh quick uh update on what's going on in the show . Here we're gonna have some uh viewer comments yes and then we're gonna get to , um , oh lord , some local politics .

uh , actually a a little DC action , a New Mexico representative covering herself in glory , in a way that just is heartbreaking , honestly , and the reason I say that is because , as a kid who grew up in a family where we loved talking politics and you revered people , that served even growing up like I was and we , I was in a couple of campaign ads for the

governor of the state of Vermont who lived next to us , yeah , yeah , dick Snelling .

Speaker 5

Okay .

Speaker 2

And but , but . And then he ran for Senate against Pat Leahy and Pat Leahy is an institution in the Senate and it was tough to beat Pat Leahy . I don't know why he ran against him , but either way , whatever . But you respected Pat Leahy at the time as a kid because you're like man . That's a really big job and it's a big deal .

Speaker 6

Right .

Speaker 2

You know , it's really an important thing . And there were senators from other parts of the country and you know , no matter what you thought of them , you know , politically you're like , wow , that means something .

Speaker 7

Right , right

⁠¶ Political Showhorses and Congressional Embarrassment

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Speaker 2

And I worry , now that we're now we're in this of of show horses in Congress which , by the way , both sides have been guilty of it . But the problem is , here in New Mexico we have someone who has decided she's going full show horse and it's embarrassing to watch , especially when you're not good at being a show horse . Like it's one thing .

If you're a good show horse , you're like dang , that's a good show horse , right there . Aoc is a good show horse . Right , she's a show horse , no question about it ?

Speaker 7

I'm not sure I'd like to say good .

Speaker 2

No , no , no . No . I don't mean good on her political views or anything else . I'm not talking about that . I'm talking about being effective at being a show horse .

Speaker 5

Okay .

Speaker 2

And that's not I don't say that as a compliment , I just say it as a fact Like she's one of those people that is effective at doing that sort of thing . Okay , matt Gates was good at it , he was an effective show horse .

So , in other words , you would have him show up , he'd throw out these comments and be all you know , work his little thing , get his little viral moment and then off he goes , like where's the important ? You know , actual work you're doing for the people . Wow , we don't know where that is . That doesn't exist , don't worry about that .

But he's a good show horse . But we've got the that . We're going to take the latest look at Deb Holland's latest campaign effort , which we're going to take a quick look at . We're going to get back into the Israel ceasefire real quick stuff there . Where are we on that whole deal ? Uh , you're going to talk about a piece of programming that you loved .

Speaker 7

Well , I thought it was interesting .

Speaker 2

Okay .

Speaker 7

Yeah , I think it's worth . You know , I always like to listen to like . I listen to podcasts and I love when they recommend either books or shows to watch . I think that's kind of fun . So I always like , when I watch something or hear something , I always kind of throw it out and say , hey , let's .

Speaker 2

Right .

Speaker 7

Let's , let's talk , tell people .

Speaker 2

Yeah , yeah , no , it's very good . So a news topic , yes , and I have a new segment that every show from now on . Well , no , at least once , I shouldn't say that once a week no I'm doing it once .

Speaker 7

I'm sorry once a month . I'll let you do it once .

Speaker 2

No , I'm doing it once a week , you know what people you write in .

Speaker 7

Tell us if you want this , this new segment , once a month or every show yep , yeah , yeah .

Speaker 2

No , I'm thinking once a week and it's called . You're gonna make me make like a uh a graphic for it yeah , we're gonna do a graphic and , like dude , yeah , we'll do a little music with it , and it's called mark's game cameras . What did mark catch on the game cameras this week ?

Speaker 7

oh my god , you know what the sound effect's gonna be . What me snoring .

Speaker 2

Oh stop , it's very except people are gonna love this are they ? Though we got some pretty good animals this week I understand , I get the .

Speaker 7

I mean , I was talking to a girlfriend of mine today . Uh , jessica , she also watches a local game camera here in new mexico well , that's what this is .

Speaker 2

It's an angel and I was like what are you ?

Speaker 7

you and mark should hang out and watch your game camera videos , put it on , just drink it in oh my gosh yeah , it's fantastic .

Speaker 2

No , jessica's right , I'm in the documentary stuff I'm watching . I'm watching that , that's what we're gonna talk about some incredible stuff , so we'll get into it please , please , write in and tell us does market to do this segment every ? Month . Well , hold on , watch the segment .

It's the end of the show or once a show let's , let's , let the segment air and breathe first . Would you stop trying to snuff out the segment before it even starts ? All right , all right , let's go with some viewer feedback some comments that we got from the last show .

Speaker 7

Okay , raccoon little bear said another great show and a very brave guest , meaning Peyton McNabb . She was on our last show , so make sure you , if you guys want to listen in , you can check out our last show . President Trump made the right call on the airstrike . Nice to see Ella getting involved more in the show as well . Blessings to you all . Ella .

A little shout out for Ella . I never get shout outs , so I do , I shot comments , is what I'm saying comments is what I'm saying .

Speaker 8

Actually . You do get some shout outs .

Speaker 2

So if people want to start leaving comments about me . I will read them . Once you get , once you get to taste of the uh , oh , she's like I gotta taste of the love from me .

Speaker 7

She's gonna be over here sitting in our third oh , absolutely , just adding her little we're gonna be hiring another producer here pretty soon yes okay , uh , harold m said mark and christy did an excellent job interviewing your guests , which again was pate mcnabb . She was comfortable throughout the interview and answered all questions thoroughly .

Great job on both parties . Kudos , thanks , harold . Yeah , she was a . She was , yeah , absolutely great kid yep um . And then jennifer fuentes I had to do this one . She actually wrote a really serious comment , but I I just took this part of it because I thought it was so funny .

Okay , uh , nice , change up with the button down mark gives the impression that you're even more knowledgeable and trustworthy , with a little smiley face well , and and j then look at you today .

Speaker 2

Yeah , I know what you got going . Here's the problem . I didn't have time to shower or do anything through the hat on , changed from a workout and I'm just here right now . I'm so sorry about that , jennifer , and so the credibility right back down again right back down , Cause you , you know . I mean I try to show up every day for our people .

Like today you were . You were look like you're headed out on some sort of Greek cruise , which I'm loving it right now . It's a fantastic look .

Speaker 7

Here's the thing about Mark and his comments Like did you just hear that one ? I'm going on a Greek cruise . That's Mark's idea of a compliment everybody . So I mean I'd like to be going on a great cruise . Don't get me wrong , I would think it'd be fabulous .

Speaker 2

I wasn't dressing to , oh , okay .

Speaker 7

Thanks , thanks we do have to talk about compliments sometime with our , with our folks , cause Mark gave me this compliment he thinks it's a compliment which was actually really funny on our trip .

Uh , we visited Cape Cod uh , a couple of weeks ago and I came out and I knew in my head , when I was putting on this cream sweater and these like khaki pants , I'm like Mark's going to say , oh , he's got , she's got her Cape Cod outfit on . Like I knew what he was going to say . I come out .

Literally this is the first thing he comes out of his mouth . He's like oh , look at you and your little Cape Cod outfit .

Speaker 2

I thought it looked very nice .

Speaker 7

Yeah , but that's not what you said . Well , that's what I meant . You're like , just like you have a title for all of my outfits yeah .

Speaker 2

So I think to start with a little breakdown here Now , this you probably remember from the State of the Union , or really , it's not the State of the Union . It's the first one a president gives in its term . It's just kind of an update . But either way , you can see Stansberry standing there with the sign saying this is not normal .

Okay , performative politics uh , this has nothing to do with anything other than trying to troll and get attention right , and you see these sorts of things from her increasing in in volume , in number , that she just regularly does these little things where she's just performative and so , which is which is fine .

There are people who do that , and there's again , as I said before , there's some people who are good at it . She's not particularly good at it , but let's just listen to this one . This is she was on she's on one of the Doge subcommittees and she talked about what's going on with Elon Musk and decided to try to make a pop culture reference .

Speaker 8

This is one of the most unpopular domestic and global policy agendas in modern history and they're here trying to convince you all that we should make Doge permanent . But here's the thing the GOP may continue to try to make Doge a thing , but no matter how hard they keep trying , gop will never make Doge a thing .

But no matter how hard they keep trying , gop will never make doge happen , even with their regina george out of the picture that's mr elon musk in this scenario .

Americans just aren't buying tickets to this show and , just like the movie business house republicans , doge reboot isn't hitting like they thought it would okay , I , I don't , I don't know , that I don't know that movie I do , but I still .

Speaker 7

Even I that falls flat right , right , okay .

Speaker 2

So yeah , no question , right , and I I don't , I don't know about mean girls , whatever , but but the point being in all this , trying to create some weird kind of the first of all , the whole doge , thing , by the way , mean girls isn't like pop culture right now .

Speaker 7

It's like a 12 year old movie , or 15 year old movie too .

Speaker 2

So true , true , yeah , yeah , no , no , no , true , I but , but I even even beyond that , right , it's just you watch it and go . Are you serious ? Like , what are we doing ?

You go and print out some huge picture of a couple of Hollywood actresses with some subtitle memes , whatever , okay , and and you're you're arguing against government accountability , whatever too . Like I don't even care about her point , but you just kind of watch it and go , okay , it's clownery . You're doing this more and more .

It seems to be your thing , and she's got these people in her staff that , I'm sure , telling her this is it ? People are loving this , they're loving what you're doing . Now . Can you name one substantive thing that melanie stansbury has done for the people of the state of New Mexico ?

And the answer is not no , you can't , because this is all acting , this is play acting .

Speaker 7

Well , and she also keep in mind that she also came back to the state , did these town hall tours to tell everybody that Social Security was going to be cut and so is your Medicaid .

Speaker 2

Yeah , we're still waiting for that to happen .

Speaker 7

I mean , that's what she was doing as of a couple weeks ago .

Speaker 2

Right doing as of a couple of weeks ago . So right , yeah , no , absolutely so . So we lay all this groundwork to say that it's happened again . So she decided that she's going to get some more attention , and so and I thought this was an AI generated picture , what I'm about to show you I thought it was like , oh well , that's clearly

⁠¶ Viewer Comments and Feedback

AI . She didn't do this . This is dumb . She wouldn't do this . Let's take a look at the picture . Here it is . Now . She says how do you rate the work of Elon Musk ? And Doge , okay . And she goes okay . Now , by the way , it does not cite the sourcing on any of this by the way 67% . disapprove 38 , approve five . Don't know .

Now , I am no mathematician , okay , and believe me , I , I , I'm , I'm , I'm . I'm not even going to rip into the mistake . Go ahead , put the picture back up , add the numbers . Yeah , it's 110% . Okay , so she's wrong on the numbers . Now , just so you know . You know , in in all of this , the staff for a congressional member is around 18 people .

Just so you know , she is not working alone by herself in an office coming up with these things doing right yeah , sitting there gluing it on . Yeah , I'll get the glue stick out . Let's put the numbers on here . Right , she's not doing that . She has a staff of 18 people roughly .

Some of them are back in new mexico , clearly , and then some are back in dc .

Speaker 7

My guess is you probably have five , six , seven people with eyes on this yeah none of them pick it up right , none of them get it she doesn't even bother , shows us the future of our , of our people , because they're usually young people that are staffers well , right , right so you see it . What does that say ?

Speaker 2

if you start at it and you look at it , you go okay common core math , everybody common core math yeah , I mean you would and maybe that's the problem right , add all the columns up . Even if you add all them columns up , come up with 110 right but , but anyway .

So she looks at this right , or clearly doesn't look at it , and I guarantee you there's a staffer who got shredded for this . But if you're going to be a grandstander like this and you're going to go in , you're going to put up this huge sign . You dang well , better , look at that number and add it up in your own head . And she didn't . Ok , it happens .

So I'm still forgiving of this stuff because I make stupid mistakes all the time and I think we need to be understanding of those sorts of things . Okay , but you know , there's some media groups that got on our media , which is by no means a right-wing group .

They said watch a Democrat trots out placard and the house hearing with a glaring math error promptly gets dunked on by Marjorie Taylor green . You'll hear that in just a second . And then OutKick Clay Travis's group says House Democrat Rep Melanie Stansbury shows poll with an obvious error .

Okay , so my biggest problem with this isn't even , it's not the math , it's not the mistake . People make mistakes and unfortunately in this day and age , when you make a mistake you get dunked on . That's how it happens .

Okay , my problem is the way she handled being called out for it and she was called out for it , and so I want you to listen to what she says , and then I'll get your reaction on how you think she handled it .

Speaker 5

The poll behind you , behind our ranking member , it adds up to 110% . Just wanted to clarify . Is it meant to add up to 110% or is that an error ? Do you yield ? Yeah , I do .

Speaker 1

This is from a Quinnipiac poll that was held two weeks ago , and this is the data that was provided . There's a wealth of information , including information about Donald Trump's falling poll numbers , so you should take a look .

Speaker 6

Thanks , I yield back information about donald trump's falling poll numbers so you should take a look . Thanks , uh , the gentleman yields and it still adds up to 110 .

Speaker 2

That's a fake poll right there that's marjorie taylor green , adding in her little two cents .

Speaker 7

So thoughts well , number one , what's the name of the poll ? Again , quinnipiac ? Uh , okay , and then , and so she doubles down on on it , which is interesting move . And then she's like , oh , and we all that . That same polling place . They also have information about Donald Trump's numbers . You should read them up , should we Cause ?

Clearly , if this is the bull numbers they gave you for this one , I'm not sure I'd be tweeting them a little bit . I would not be giving them a lot of coverage . So again it's like why could she not ?

I think I just don't think it generated in her head fast enough , I think even when they called her out on 110% no idea she's like I don't even know what that means . Like I really feel like she was like no , I'm all about this poll and everybody hates Doge , and da , da , da , da , da . Like I think that's what she ?

was like that's where her mindset was at and she wasn't that up for common sense , like just to be able to slow down and be like , okay , yeah , that actually is probably going to be a hundred percent Like she could have made a joke about it .

Speaker 2

Here's my opinion on that . I think you're , you're , you're , I think you're right on , on , on . Maybe it didn't register or whatever else , but you're right on . There's only one way to handle that to make a joke and then be like , yeah , it got me there . Sorry , I mean , it's the only show some humility , right . Make a joke about it and then move on .

But this is the problem , you've got a bad show horse , right ? So then , when the show horse gets called out in the middle of dressage , you know and you're like the dressage routine is not working out , show horse . And then the show horse melts down and just goes oh yeah , donald Trump . You just watch it and go .

There are literally people across this state who struggled to get to the end of the month . We have one of the most challenging healthcare systems in the country . We are last in education and that's not ironic , representative Sandsbury , you're unfortunately a little emblematic of it .

You see all those things and all the struggles people have in this state and you're most concerned with creating as much of a viral moment as you can , as often as you can , and it's an embarrassment to the people you serve . Of true core values , about caring about the people you represent , I would think you'd pivot and say I got to be better than this .

There are a lot of people who grind it out every day , trusting that I will go to Washington DC and fight for them in a meaningful way , not in a way where you show you know Rachel McAdams on a board at a congressional hearing . I mean not in a way that you put up numbers that don't even add up .

Not in a way that you stand and hold a sign next to the president . Nobody cares about any of that . Grow up and do a job , but now that's politics . It's now become this performative nightmare where nobody seems to care that there are people who genuinely need help and they're not getting it .

Speaker 7

Yeah , she , she just appears to me to be trying to film like a reality show for Instagram . Like that's what it feels like it feels like I want to create Tik TOKs and Instagram reels and this is the best way . I know how to do it and I have no idea who's giving her these great ideas .

Like I just feel like you come off completely unserious about major league issues and it is like , as you've listed all the things that our state are really troubled with it . It becomes a combination of just not only somebody who's just inadequate for the job , but she looks foolish and she's embarrassing our state .

Like that's an embarrassment and she should be embarrassed . Like she should say I need to do better .

I need to figure out how to be taking this job more seriously and not being a clown for the sake of Instagram and thinking I'm cute and I'm funny and look at me , I'm a big influencer and this will get me more votes and maybe more popularity in my state and then I'll get more people to vote for my reelection . I mean , I , that's to me .

What she's focusing on is I want to be a name that people remember and meanwhile , you don't want to be a name that people go oh that's , she's . A clown Like this is . She's equal to an absolute fool . She makes a fool out of herself , and I just think that we got to do better and we got to do better in the people that we elect to go there .

We need people that take this job seriously .

Speaker 2

No , and I agree , and you see it on both sides too . I mean Marjorie Taylor Greene , who was ripping into her , she does the same stuff . I know her clownery is ridiculous too , and so you know . That's why it hits closer to home , because she's our representative here and we see it and go . Where are we here ? You know this is .

You have such a gulf between the life that these people in Congress lead and the lives of the people on the ground in their districts . They just don't care that . They see this as exactly what you said is another way to influence , and not influence in a positive way , where you make legislation which matters .

You influence it in a meaningless way , where you get on Tik TOK and you get the Yas queen routine Okay , congratulations , but there's still people that are struggling in your district that constantly give you their vote and they get nothing for it .

Speaker 7

Yeah , it just feels like theory , like I'm in . I'm in the high school student council or the middle school student council . What can I do to wow people today ? How can I , you know , shake them up ? I'm going to wear pink at all my events . I'm going to get my megaphone . I'm going to have a town hall meeting in front of whatever I .

Just she's tired and it she looks like a kid . She looks at and she's acting like a child and .

Speaker 2

I , I'm over it , so hopefully voters get over her too , and by the way , if you're waiting for the Albuquerque Journal to do a story on this , because if it were , oh , you're going to hear nothing . You're going to hear nothing from any of the television stations , no , nothing .

Speaker 7

Nobody's going to cover this .

Speaker 2

Yeah , Now if you had had this , been a Republican setup and done that , oh my gosh , it'd be everywhere . Yeah , a shocking error . How embarrassing is this . How did it happen ? Let's check in with you know . None of that will happen . None , and that's part of the problem that there is no accountability for any of these legislators anymore , so they don't care .

There is no shame because there is no accountability .

Speaker 7

And again , if somebody just asked her right right there and said hey , so you're just , you're for fraud and abuse and waste in our program , like that's what you're sitting here promoting , like you and your sign , that's ridiculous . You still completely don't understand what the process of Doge was all about .

Speaker 2

Well , yeah , that's another point . She pushed back , though , and said that's not the way to do it and everything else , but yeah .

Speaker 7

Speaking of , not a way to do it .

Speaker 2

All right , so yeah . So I was finding

⁠¶ Rep. Stansbury's Math Error Disaster

stuff for the show and I found Deb Holland visited Taos . Oh jeez .

Speaker 7

I'm sure she met with the people and she learned about what they needed to have done there and their real concerns and I'm sure that she spent a lot of time talking to people about their issues , right .

Speaker 2

Well , yeah , I mean sort of . I mean , well , let's wait and see . So this is interesting . So let's listen to a little bit . It's a little over a minute and we're going to listen to what Deb has to say about what her day was like , and and then we'll react to it .

Speaker 3

Okay to say about what her day was like , and then we'll react to it . Good morning , new Mexico . Spend a day of my life with me in Taos . I started my day with young people and tribal leaders at Taos Pueblo . It wouldn't be a stop in Taos without a stop at Monty's Chow Cart .

The red chili beans and a taco gave me the energy I needed to visit local businesses and meet with communities . I stopped at ReThreads Consignment , a local thrift store . I tried on a few different things , but settled on a dress , a sweater and a summer jacket .

The team and I walked through the plaza and greeted New Mexicans enjoying live music and enjoying the sunshine . Then I stopped by World Cup Coffee and met a local artist . Thanks to him , we discovered the Taos Artist . Collective .

Speaker 5

New .

Speaker 3

Mexico's creative and entrepreneurial spirit holds up local economies and I was proud to meet an artist I've been a fan of for years and discover new artists and their work . My trip was complete with a chance to hear from the Taos Valley Asequia Association A little bit of water .

Speaker 5

I'm so grateful to them for the work they do to protect our water and continue our New Mexico traditions .

Speaker 3

I am home when I'm surrounded by people who have so much love for their community and culture . Tau Senos and I ended our evening chatting about issues that affect our beautiful state . I'm so excited to continue hearing from more New Mexicans .

Speaker 7

Okay , thank you so much , she says she says goodbye , okay , I'm sorry is she running for governor or is she trying to be a travel influencer ? Because it's like a . It's like travel influencers they tell you where they ate for lunch , they tell you where they shop , they tell you where they go to get the best art like that's a travel influencer or a blogger .

That's not somebody who's running for governor . Seriously , yeah , you never would like . And then we stopped in here and we did this and I I picked out a tie , by the way look , I I didn't win either , so so , so hold on .

Speaker 2

So so I'm saying okay , so I agree as a general rule , I think it's too soft okay that's an understatement yeah , and it's not her strong suit , isn't that sort of thing . So here's . So if you're her campaign staff , I think you've got to . First of all , it was pretty ham fistedly produced .

Speaker 7

Oh , it's terrible .

Speaker 2

And you can find someone with all the money she's raising . You can find someone who can edit off their phone and and do a better job of of that work than what you saw .

Speaker 7

Our producer could do that better .

Speaker 2

Well , that's a good point , but Ella may sabotage her at a certain point . So that may not be great , but I think you can do a better job of the production value of it .

But I will tell you , I think what she's trying to do and get ready for this , it is her approach is going to be that connect on a cultural level and stay away from deep issues and deep dives and things like that .

Now , if I were given her advice , I'd say okay , you need to put a little more meat in this , just a little bit , not a ton , because I think the overall point is connect culturally . That's what she's going to have to do . She cannot go out there and grind policy down . It's not her deal .

So I but I was a little , I thought it was interesting , I mean . I was I watched it and just kind of went holy macaroni , Like I just was watching it . Well , I mean , okay .

Speaker 7

So you know what's interesting is . I had a conversation with somebody who listens to our show and said you know , they , they feel like we need more people that are running for office that talk about the great things of New Mexico instead of all the bad . Okay , yeah , which I thought was an interesting point .

Cause I'm like well , you do want somebody that sees the energy and the hope and the beauty and the future of New Mexico , but you also need to find somebody who takes our our problems seriously and has real solutions to fix those problems . So I kind of I kind of was like I see where you're going with us to the to this viewer .

But I also said , you know , I believe there can be a combination . We had plenty of great meals and had plenty of great you know took in certain things pie town , certain areas of the state that they wanted to show us what they did and how they celebrate being a special little spot of New Mexico . There's nothing wrong with any of that .

But you also need to be meeting with people who are desperate for change and want real things to happen and you need to be taking the job seriously .

I just feel like she looks like a travel blogger and I think I know she's trying to find connection and she's we've talked about she's going to have a hard time connecting with people because she's not a great communicator , right ? I mean , I'm sorry if you mess up that many times just in a voiceover . Have her redo it . It was a minute long .

Speaker 2

Well , so I I'm sure that the thought process is on that the old they're starting to be this new thing where you don't have to be perfect , right , and you can have a little thing in there , cause it's supposed to be real quick . But the problem is the nature of what they did didn't end up looking real quick .

They put , they rolled B , roll over the top of it , things like that . So once you start doing those things , you're right , clean it up , it up . Right , clean it up . Just , you got to cut out her errors and things like that and you've got to be more professional .

Speaker 7

You're going for a professional job . I mean , I'm sorry , but like , at the end of the day , yes , you want people that can connect with you , but you feel that authenticity when you meet somebody and when you know you . You either have that connectivity or you don't . And we've talked about that .

Some people are just naturally gifted that can connect with people either across a camera , can connect with them on stage , can connect with them one-on-one with people . You're either born with that gift or you're not . Now it sometimes matters in elections and sometimes it doesn't . So it'll be interesting to see .

Speaker 2

Right , well , that's just what I mean . Like you've got to keep her separated , right , you have to run a very , very disciplined campaign for her , and part of that is what you can watch on this video .

Like you just have some some you know some connection problems there , which to your point , but at the same time , does this worry you then , as you watch something like this , does this , when you look at for that campaign , to say , does this make you think , okay , who knows really where we are in this governor's race ?

Because this is , this is tough to watch to me .

Speaker 7

This would show me , like all , if you're her people .

Speaker 2

Are you scared right now ? They're watching that , or do you not care ?

Speaker 7

oh no , they clearly don't care , because they're producing this stuff like they're putting the stuff out there and they're shelling money her way and they're like , oh , look how she seems like a nice person and I'm just like , okay , like I get that .

There's some ability that you need to find connection with people and i'm'm sure she's been told that she's thrifting clothes , things like that .

Speaker 2

I think that's designed to , you know , bridge that gap . Oh , I'm sure , Show that she's one of the people that kind of thing , whatever .

Speaker 7

Okay , but you either are one of the people or you're not . Like I don't know if you need to video all that . You know , like you , I don't know . I just think that that seems in a anybody that's going to be running for governor to me . When I look at something like that , I think she doesn't take this job seriously enough .

Now , maybe it's wrong , but I think that you , you , know , even our current governor gets a lot of flack for all the travel she does and all these meetings that she has outside of the state , right , so she gets destroyed on X every time she's out of the state or out of the country .

Right , this to me looks like do you know what the job even entails to be governor , like I think fine , if you want to work some of this in on top of actual all your serious stuff , that you're managing things and you're talking to these people about water rights . You're talking to these people about logging rights .

You're talking to these people about all the other issues , education issues . I just don't see that she's doing building up her credibility enough to be able to come in here and have hey , I'm going shopping and eating some tacos . I don't think there's enough to balance that out yet .

Speaker 2

All right , all right . Well , this is one video too , so we don't want to judge everything on that , but but yeah , no , I was a little . I think the quality of what needs to be put out needs to be a little better than than what you're seeing there , and I think you better . You better craft her image more tightly than they are .

I will say that's my big takeaway from this craft her image more tightly . If you want to be a serious candidate or our boy , you know , showboat Sam is going to eat her up and then I'm going to look really stupid If if showboat Sam ends up getting the nomination for the Democrats .

Speaker 7

Well I that that will floor me as well . So yeah , I don't think it'll happen .

Speaker 2

I actually don't think it'll happen , but again , I've said that very clearly it's not happening but , okay

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, all right , so let's get to the ceasefire situation . All right , so there is a ceasefire in the Israel Iran conflict . The 12 day war is Trump's calling it now . Uh , so they get to this . And then in Trump , you know , heading to to to NATO . A day ago he was on the South Lawn and getting ready to hop on Marine One and he got spicy .

He got spicy because he was mad at Israel and he's mad at Iran for shooting each other , shooting at each other . He wants his ceasefire to hold .

Speaker 7

And so , yeah , well , it was moments after that he called for that . He said that the ceasefire was happening , they're both on board , and then Israel went after Iran and Iran fired back .

Speaker 2

Well , yeah , this is the next morning , yeah .

Speaker 7

And it got it , but he did get .

Speaker 2

But he dropped his own bomb no-transcript .

Speaker 4

You know what ? We basically have two countries that have been fighting so long and so hard that they don't know what the they're doing . Do you understand ?

Speaker 5

that .

Speaker 7

Johnny , I mean bleep . You know I get that he's frustrated . I do understand it , and I'm sure that every president has had a truck driver mouth from time to time . I'm just not sure it was the best use to do that just on , you know , television .

Speaker 2

Well , you know , yeah , that's definitely gotten some , some interest , but I will say overall , I think he likes the position he's in . Cbs news came out with a new poll . There are 85% of Republicans Okay , uh , approve of what he's done .

Speaker 7

94% of quote MAGA Republicans I don't even know what that means I was going to say how do you even determine if you're a Republican or a MAGA ?

Speaker 2

Well , they probably ask you are , you MAGA , and then they say yes or no , and so yeah , the numbers are very strong with his own , you know , with his own side on this , and so you know , we'll wait and see .

But I think the interesting thing about this isn't necessarily Trump's reaction to the to to the ceasefire , which again , it looks like it's holding for now , so that's good . What's happened now is something I think is far more interesting , and you saw an article in the Wall Street Journal . New York Times put out something on it .

So did CNN , breathlessly wanting so badly for something to go poorly , and they've latched onto this .

Speaker 7

Yeah , it says US strikes set back Iran nuclear program by a few months . Initial report says Preliminary classified intelligence report produced by the Defense Intelligence Agency counters White House's claim of more extensive damage . And basically here's a quote from it .

It says a preliminary intelligence report found that the US military strikes last weekend on three Iranian nuclear facilities only set back Tehran's nuclear ambitions by a few months , countering claims made by President Trump and the White House .

According to people familiar with the intelligence , the initial findings written by the Defense Intelligence Agency relied on military damage assessments following the US bombings , the people said , adding that the assessment could change as more intelligence is collected .

A senior administration official confirmed the report's existence but said it hadn't risen to the level of being shared with the Defense Department's top leaders . Several members of Congress , including full committees , have seen or have had access to the report .

Speaker 2

lawmakers said Okay , so just so , you know , first of all , this is clearly leaked by somebody who wants to do some damage to what's happened . You know , um , first of all , this is clearly leaked by somebody who wants to do some damage , uh , to what's happened here . Now . Now , the pushback on this has been swift in .

In this is , by the way , there will be a backtracking of this story guaranteed , and I'll explain why in just a second . But let's keep going .

Speaker 7

So this quote says us intelligence agencies frequently produce classified reports that are later revised , sometimes substantially , as more information is collected . Such reports don't necessarily reflect the views of other spy agencies and disagreement among the agencies isn't uncommon .

Caroline Levitt , the White House press secretary , said in a post on X that the quote alleged assessment is flat out wrong end quote and described the report as classified at the top secret level . She blamed a quote anonymous low-level loser in the intelligence community end quote for leaking the report to the media . Cnn earlier reported on the assessment .

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence , which oversees all intelligence agencies in the US government , declined to comment . The Defense Intelligence Agency didn't respond to requests for comment . The report contradicts statements from Trump , who has repeatedly said that the targets of the raids were destroyed .

Quote those targets were obliterated , he said Tuesday morning .

Speaker 2

Okay , so here's how CNN reported this . When they got a hold of the information and they were more than excited to say oh my gosh , it didn't work . Oh my gosh , it didn't work , it didn't work , it didn't work . Here's what they had to say .

Speaker 6

Image that was that resulted from those US military strikes on these three Iranian nuclear facilities over the weekend and , as you said , it was produced by the Defense Intelligence Agency , which is the Pentagon's intelligence arm .

And it is worth noting that it is a very early assessment the strikes were only a matter of days ago and the intelligence community is still gathering intelligence . They are still working to come up with a full , comprehensive picture of what exactly happened here , but based on Okay .

Speaker 2

So , by the way , they looked at it 24 hours after it was done . They have no one on the ground . They have no idea . This is ridiculous . Okay , it's clearly a cheap shot trying to take a shot at this . And , by the way , they dropped 14 , 30,000 pound bombs down that chap . So calm down , like I mean , there , there is no way .

You're gonna be like , oh , I'll try to dig through this for a month and we're going to . It's all going to be there . It's going to be great . That's ludicrous , of course not . And , by the way , on the other portion of this , where where's all the where's all the uranium ? You don't think the Israelis know where the uranium is .

The Israelis know what the Ayatollah is doing before the Ayatollah does . Do you think they don't know where the uranium is ? They do . They know where the uranium is guaranteed . Okay , so , and I guarantee you we know where the uranium is . Okay , and I guarantee we dropped bombs on it , on it or sealed it off or whatever it is .

But anyway , the point of this is ridiculous . Ok , it's 24 hours after you look at it and go a couple of months and they're going to be able to rebuild . What are you talking about ? Like you don't have anybody on the ground , you don't have any clue .

Ok , so Pete Hegseth , today , on Wednesday , he stood up after the NATO summit with the president and started pushing back on all of this and again , this is one of those stories that will be pulled off the table and it will be not spoken of again once they figure out that it's completely and totally garbage .

There is no way you're dropping those kind of ordinance on something and like no problem at all , it didn't do anything . That's not true .

Speaker 4

And here's what Hegseth had to say To introduce and when they introduced that preliminary , a preliminary report that's deemed to be low , a low assessment . You know what a low assessment means Low confidence in the data in that report . And why is there low confidence ?

Because all of the evidence of what was just bombed by 12 , 30,000 pound bombs is buried under a mountain , devastated and obliterated .

So if you want to make an assessment of what happened at Fordow , you better get a big shovel and go really deep , because Iran's nuclear program is obliterated and somebody somewhere is trying to leak something to say oh , with low confidence , we think maybe it's moderate .

Those that dropped the bombs precisely in the right place know exactly what happened when that exploded and you know who else knows Iran . That's why they came to the table right away , because their nuclear capabilities have been set back beyond what they thought were possible , because of the courage of

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a commander in chief who led our troops despite what the fake news wants to say .

Speaker 2

OK , interesting , and I think he makes a fair point , especially on the Iranians as well . It's ridiculous Like this is a ridiculous leak , but it is eating up a lot of oxygen .

Speaker 7

Oh yeah , people want to talk about it , and another thing that people are kind of , you know , really interested in right now so far , there's been 11 Iranians that were here illegally that have now been arrested over the past few days and are set to be deported , and one of them is an Iranian sniper . So let's take a listen to this .

Speaker 9

The Department of Homeland Security says Yusuf Maradano had been living in the United States illegally for nearly eight years since US officials determined he lied on a visa application . On Sunday , just four months after the Iranian foreign national was added to the US's known or suspected terrorist list , he was arrested in central Mississippi .

He's now in ICE custody pending removal proceedings , and he's not alone . Over the past 48 hours , ice officials have arrested 11 Iranian nationals , spanning eight states nationwide . Among them , five possessed previous criminal convictions , their crimes ranging from grand larceny to drug and firearm possessions . Also among those apprehended , ribbar Karimi .

While arresting him in northern Alabama , ice officials say they found his Islamic Republic of Iran Army Identification Card and allege he served as an Iranian sniper between 2018 and 2021 .

Speaker 2

OK , I think that's the biggest concern the government has . It isn't necessarily with Iran firing missiles back at any of our bases or anything like that . I think their ability to do that has been significantly degraded . It is sleeper cells in the United States which there's no real understanding of what's going on with that , other than nothing's happened yet .

Hopefully it won't , but there's no question they're trying to nail that sort of thing down and go after it .

Speaker 7

Yeah , I mean I have friends that asked after our last show . You know what ? What do we think is going ? You know , do we think the Iranian leadership is going to actually have this big call out against the United States ? And obviously we don't know that . Um , we think that'd be pretty foolish based on the rough .

Speaker 2

I think that , that I think I would think you're seeing a lot of those pathways between Tehran and some of their proxies and some of their sleeper cells or whatever they are . There's a loose connection , as it is by the nature of what a sleeper cell is . And then I think you're going to see the Ayatollah .

I think would put himself in grave danger by making some sort of call out for anything like that . So who knows what's really going on here . Is there any ?

Speaker 7

other kind we love for anything like that . So who knows what's really going on here . Brave danger , is there any other kind ? We love a few good men , so if you , haven't seen it .

Speaker 2

You need to watch it , so we'll see what happens with it . I think the biggest concern I think most people have is homeland attacks . At this point it has not happened . Now , if you can get a deal between the Israelis and the Iranians , can you maybe stop that sort of thing ? I don't know , but but that is one of the things that's had .

A lot of different things on a lot of different levels are happening here , and so we'll see how it all shakes out .

Speaker 7

Yeah , let's hope for the best , pray for the best , okay . So

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something just kind of entertaining and a little bit lighter maybe in your life when we were in Boston the verdict came down for Karen Reed . She is a former college professor that was accused of killing her boyfriend , who was a Boston cop , and the verdict came down . We were in Boston , so it was like it was a big deal there .

It was all over the newspapers all that . And you know , we kind of you and I watched a little snippet and we were like , oh , okay , like a little like news clip on like 60 minutes or something I don't remember what it was and we were like , ah , she's guilty .

And so we came back and I was talking to my friend Debbie about it and Debbie's like , oh , my gosh , chris , you have to at least watch this documentary , this documentary that's on max right now , okay , and I was like , no , I really don't the lady's guilty . And she said , no , just do yourself a solid . It's such a well thought out documentary .

I watched the thing in two days . Okay , it's riveting . Yeah , it is so well put together . It's five parts , if you're looking , looking for something interesting . They just did a good job of diving right in . They interviewed all the media that were there as well , as they had direct access to Karen Reed and her attorneys .

It was just interesting , I guess , to listen to Right . And so the documentary is about her first trial , Her first trial which ends in a mistrial , which , that's no mystery , everybody knows her case over a year ago .

They do give an update at the end of the documentary , but my understanding is there's another documentary on Hulu that's covering it in real time with this second trial .

Speaker 2

Okay , and the second trial is the one where she was found not guilty .

Speaker 7

Not guilty .

Speaker 2

Yeah .

Speaker 7

Which she was acquitted on that and that kind of made national news . I mean it was everywhere . They really built this big PR machine around her . I mean I've never- .

Speaker 2

It's unreal .

Speaker 7

Since , like the OJ trial I'm sure there's been other ones , but the OJ one trial comes to mind because it was also televised . You could also watch it and there was people that stood outside the courtroom . She had a lot of fan base that showed up to support her , they sure did . And meanwhile we don't really know anything .

Skimmed over it , it's a fascinating story .

Speaker 2

And you now think what she did it or she didn't just spray and I .

Speaker 7

I gotta say that , like I don't know if she did it , I really was convinced that she had done it .

Speaker 2

And this sounds like making of a murder , making a murder . I it can make you believe whatever they want .

Speaker 7

Okay , good point . I mean I this is what I said to my friend Debbie . I said Occam's razor , right , like it's . All the facts point to her , Right , who else would want to kill the guy , right ?

You know she , I don't think she did it on purpose , I think it was an accident , um , but you know that have more to do with like a dog that was in that house that night and there was police officers in the house that he died in that . He died in front of the front lawn when they found him . What stood out to me in this one little thing ?

It's not giving anything away , but the cop that owns the house where this other cop was found dead in the front yard . When everybody showed up the ambulance all the police , everybody Karen Reed was there with all her people . They're screaming , they're yelling . Is he dead ? Is he dead ? Is he okay ? All this ruckus ?

That police officer that threw that party the night before stayed inside of his house . He knew the guy , he was friends with the guy and he never came out to check on his friend or to check on the case . To me that was weird .

Speaker 2

So I'm saying yeah , I don't even know what you're talking about , but you haven't watched it .

Speaker 7

Yeah , I'm telling you if you like court drama , or even if you don't like court drama and you just like a good story , it's fascinating , okay .

Speaker 2

So check it out . Well , good , well , thank , I will say yeah , thanks , all right , now it's time for the important segment , which is my game camera segment . So I want to start . Two days ago I had some rain the night before up in the mountains and these cameras are all in Angel Fire at about 10,500 feet or so , way up high in the mountains .

And so early morning , and my good friend , look at this big fella .

Speaker 7

Have you named them yet ?

Speaker 2

I have not . So this is one of the . This is a big .

Speaker 7

I think this is the big male the big male bear that kind of is around the area . There's a height control .

Speaker 2

Very misty , very misty , very misty , and he just kind of walks across and he kind of lumbers into the woods and so he gets that done . Now he , this guy's younger , this guy I think is about two years old and you can see his coloring's a little bit different See him taking a rock .

I think he's just taking a rock there opening up , trying to get some grub , worms or something out of there . And then he looked and said , oh , there's nothing , so he's going to go walking off . So he looks pretty healthy though .

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Yeah , he doesn it I totally get . But but again , these guys you never see them in the same place , uh , but that now I did see the , the second bear , with his mom about six months ago . They were all together , but now they're apart . Now I think she's kicked them out she's like listen , it's , you're out .

Speaker 7

You showed me a clip of one of these and there was four bears . Oh , I've got all kinds of stuff I made two , you're right .

Speaker 2

I probably should do a greatest hits version of my show games .

Speaker 5

But this is just this week .

Speaker 2

This is all just this week . All right , wally coyote uh , he's out , he was . He's walking down . See , there he is . He's walking away from the camera . Okay , and I'm not sure what he's doing in the pond here . A little uh thing here . I'm not sure if he's uh relieving himself right there or something .

Speaker 7

I can't really tell riveting guy .

Speaker 6

Well , you know I just want to keep an eye on it yeah , and one more .

Speaker 2

This is a good looking young bull elk , which this camera is a little further out , so I have to hike a ways to get it . But this is after a little hailstorm so you can see the hail on the ground there and he's a good looking bull elk . You can see the rack on him growing in there , looking good . Yeah , he's just like all right there . I go .

Speaker 7

He stopped to pose a little bit for you .

Speaker 2

He did and I appreciate it . So again , I got a lot going on with these cameras . I'm going to continue to monitor them and as we get more stuff in , I'm going to keep showing you and if I get enough good stuff I'll do it . Every show I'll do it , oh gosh .

Speaker 7

I will do it Okay , people write in .

Speaker 2

Do you want to see game camera clips every show , or maybe once a month , or like maybe once every six months ? Yeah , nope , nope , nope . Every show every day , all right , well , thanks so much for joining us . We appreciate it . We will be back with you on .

Speaker 7

Sunday More details on what's to come with that Be very exciting it always is . Yes , never dull here . No doubt about it . Please sign up for our emails on our website at no doubt about it , podcastcom and hit that subscribe and like button and tell all your friends . We appreciate it . Thank you so much and have a great rest of your week .

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