ā Ā¶ Intro / Opening
You and I are told increasingly we have to choose between a left or right . Well , I'd like to suggest there is no such thing as a left or right , there's only an up or down .
ā Ā¶ Welcome to No Doubt About It
This is the no Doubt About it . Podcast .
No doubt about it .
Now your hosts Christy and Mark Runcay .
Okay , we're going to do this a little different today . It's going to be a lot of game-winning . We have David Klusky , the legendary campaign advisor , political guru , joining us today to talk all things politics .
Happy to be here . We have the junior varsity producing team today .
Yeah , we do have the JV varsity producing team , mark Runcetti , it's not great .
It's not going to be great here . I'm not going to lie to you . I hope I'm recording this quite frankly .
Oh good , that would be helpful , because I'm not even hearing anything in my ear .
So we'll see how this shakes out .
But yeah , I'll be punching my goodness so it's weird , and we're trying to record this a little earlier than we normally do , so that's kind of the thing .
So why don't ?
you give us a little quick rundown of what are we going to see today ?
Yeah , we're going to talk right off the top stuff that I think you don't get in any . Who's raising the right amount of money , who's not raising the right amount of money , who's done a good job in their announcement , maybe who
ā Ā¶ Campaign Finance and Political Strategy
hasn't ? And then we're going to dive into the person who's raising all the money . You should be terrified for that person , for a very simple reason . Here We'll get to then probably the dumbest political move that I've ever seen from a United States Senator . The dumbest political move that I've ever seen from a United States Senator .
Chris Van Hollen has decided he's going to El Salvador to try to get an MS-13 gang member out of prison . Okay , a guy that .
Maryland . He's a Maryland father . Let's not forget that .
We'll talk about the Maryland dad , there's no doubt about that and we're also going to talk about , well , a bunch of different issues here , but but we're going to hit on some state stuff going on here and we're also going to talk about , well , a bunch of different issues here , but but we're going to hit on some state stuff going on here and , of course ,
some of the national stuff and we are going to take a shot at our good friend , christie gnome , who , I you know , come on .
You have to at this point , cause it's kind of comical .
Yes , yes , but let's start with some emails . This is going to be good show , especially right off the top . If you want to know really what happens in campaigns underneath the surface stuff that you've got to have someone like Jay to help teach you , this is the show you want to listen to . It's definitely interesting .
Okay , let's dive in . The first comment came in here and it says I wish every voter in Albuquerque would watch this show . Our serious crime is not going down . Amen , we wish the same . How do you help us do that ? You tell friends , yeah , sign up for our emails on no doubt about a podcastcom . Or you tell anybody you know on social media about it .
We'd really appreciate it . Every little bit helps on that part . Okay , this one wendy woolly uh , she's been taking methylene blue for many months . Contact me if you want yeah , wendy , thank you uh , we are having some really good luck right right now with our methylene blue .
At least I am I don't know about you , I don't know how you even know .
I mean uh it's definitely increased my energy . Okay , jay , you ever take methylene blue ?
I've not .
I'm a big peptide guy though okay , bpc 157 , that's mine too , I'm a big wolverine guy . Yeah , I can't find it though now , so we gotta talk about that . I got a little secret website okay , good yeah I actually think it helped .
when I had my crash , they thought I was going to have to have surgery for the MCL because it was so badly torn .
Yeah , I know I took it for two weeks . It was magic , and then we ran out and I can't find it anymore . So I'd love to talk to you afterwards .
Oh my gosh , Stop making drug deals on the show .
It's not a drug deal , it's peptides . This is a peptide show now , ok , I'm sorry , ok next comment coming in hey , Mark , what are your thoughts on Greg Hull throwing his hat into the bid as governor on the Republican side ? Well , perfect question coming in there from Sagittarius . We are going to dive right in . That's our top story .
today is Greg Hull's , and now it's not really the top story , but it's our first story .
It's like my old news days .
Yes no , you're right , that's a good point , it's a good point . So here it is . Greg Hull sort of announces yeah .
Kind of it's a soft launch which is very unusual .
So let's talk a couple of things . First of all , to answer the the our viewer question . Uh , I like Greg Hull a lot . I think he's a really good guy . There is nobody I know in politics who loves the minutia of governing more than Greg Hull . He is into it . He is not in this to go get his face somewhere . He really isn't .
He's in it because he loves it . He loves the grind , he loves like if your trash is not being picked up on time , greg Hull's like I'm on it . I'm on it . I mean literally . I've sat at dinners with him when he's gone into detail on stuff , when I , quite frankly , I'm like my goodness gracious , what are we talking about here ?
But he loves it and for that I think it's a great quality to have . So Greg's a genuine guy in the respect that you know where he's coming from and you know that he truly loves to do the job of mayor of Rio Rancho . Okay , now can he be a governor ? I don't know .
So , jay , I'll let you talk a little bit about this , but I'll just talk briefly about his announcement too . So we want to do a couple of things . I'll give you the quick thing there's no such thing as a soft launch in politics .
You don't say I'm probably going to run here , I'm going to announce in a couple of months Okay , you get one shot at it in most cases , and what you is you have your team lined up and you do a really good job , a really slickly produced video .
You get out there , you do interviews with everybody and you get the word out there very , very quickly , and then you use that momentum to go raise money . I mean , that's what you do and in this particular case I don't love what they did .
It's kind of a yeah , he's going to run here in a few months and we're sort of raising money not that much , but we're raising a little bit and so it's just kind of a fits and starts sort of thing and that I didn't love .
Jay well , hold on before you answer , jay , aren't you like , can't , don't you have to formally set up your committee and all this stuff ?
it's probably formally set up . Okay , so it's technically formally set up . The problem and I agree with mark , the problem with doing that a lot of times is donors are like all right , we'll come back when you're gonna , when you've finally announced time wasted .
You know it really and it hurts your ability to fundraise , because no one I mean donors in general love any excuse to sit on the sidelines in a primary oh , we know that .
We know as well . The famous line is we'll hit ship after the primary or and then after the primary . I was with you the whole time . Exactly , yeah , I was always on your team the whole time .
It's absolutely true they , they look for that excuse . There's no question . And so when ?
you say I'm announced , I'm announced , but I'm not announced . Well , that's built in .
Yeah , that you've just given them that free pass . And here's the thing too is the primary for the Republican seat of governor is not until next June . Everybody , we got a year .
For both .
Okay , so for both , but still we got a solid . What is that ? 13 months , 14 months , everybody .
And I think I mean we're pretty insider-ish here . I don't think we can name the field right now , and so you know who knows who gets in . I think I agree with you , he's done a really good job governing and I think that if he's smart , he'll compare and contrast Albuquerque to Rio Rancho , which I do all the time when I talk to people .
It's like why don't they have the same homelessness and crime up there and crime up there Right and ? But his challenge is he's going to be very unknown , very unknown it's going to take a lot of money to get him .
It's going to take a lot of money and it takes a story .
You know you got to develop a narrative that's really compelling to voters .
That will be his challenge , okay . So let's talk about that , because I want to show you his I guess it's kind of a hype video that he did . I guess it's kind of a hype video that he did , I guess . And again , there's some interesting things in here .
And then I think there are some bear traps for him , because one of the big bear traps for Greg will be jumping into things like well , I fixed the roads ,
ā Ā¶ Greg Hull's Governor Announcement
okay . That's like when we were running for governor and I always want to talk about water . You'd always be like shut up , shut up . I mean , it matters , water matters .
Water matters . Water matters , but overall with the electorate , it's way behind climate .
I remember talking to you about stuff too , Jay . I was like we need to talk about this and this and all my great ideas , and you were like , yeah , yeah , yeah , that's great . The top three things are what we're going to focus on .
And let's stick to those . Right now , voters have a crazy idea of the elections , about them and what they care about .
Yeah , it's weird , it's weird , it's weird , it's really out of line on their part .
But let's go ahead and let's just play this video , and I'll probably stop it at one point because it does . He does fall into this bear trap a little bit , but again , here we go . This is a hype video for an announcement that has not happened yet .
Again , not something that I think you necessarily need to do , it's not necessarily the greatest way to do it , but but let's just listen to this a little bit , anyway . Okay , again , just sort of stats here .
Yeah , for people that are just listening to our show and not watching it , it's just a bunch of graphics talking about touting , real Rancho ?
Yeah , it's touting real Rancho . Number one safest city 44 major road projects completed . Okay , that's just one thing right there . It just you gotta be careful on stuff like this , and I know it's trying to put this kind of competence thing forward to say , look , I've done this , I've done these things , but again , you have not seen Greg Hall yet .
And again , it's literally just video of New Mexico , rio Rancho , with a bunch of graphics over it , yeah , and then there's Greg right there Um there he is .
Right .
So there he is , and so it's interesting that , again , if you ask them , right , what's going on , what they'll tell you is hey look , this is not designed to be a launch video , right , it's not designed . But the thing is funny , jake , because you'd never let us spend a dime if we didn't have to .
And so I think what you see here is it's a fine , it's a fine video , but I still don't know . I don't know Greg connected to that , and so that's one of those things that I think sometimes you get too clever with some of these consultants .
They give you some ideas and they think we're going to do this little hype video , then we're going to lead into this , and then we're going to lead into that when this is more of a blunt instrument and not tactical .
Right , and you're trying to reach people outside of Rio Rancho , and so he's talking about road projects , because anyone kind of the same reason water gets important to people is if you're in that area it's really really important , legitimately so . And road projects on the West side , rio Rancho , it's a big deal . You know like those are a big deal .
But how does that matter to someone in Albuquerque's Northeast Heights or in Tucumcari or in , you know , northern New Mexico or southeast ? It doesn't necessarily as much as you can hammer on crime or hammer on some of these other issues .
The other thing is and in a race for governor , his story is going to matter , like he's going to have to tell a story about himself . That connects , yeah , yeah .
Yeah , it's definitely going to be on him to find a way to interest people , interest voters , interest . Tell people why he's different .
But in his defense I'm going to say this Like when candidates announce especially early on , like this happens all the time , I mean Susana Martinez announced I wasn't on board yet for the record , she announced at a restaurant that had like , a bad like would have been closed down or something .
I mean , like people do stuff all the time Red tag and that turned out perfectly .
Yeah , so you never know .
It's going to take time .
Yeah .
He's got plenty of time to like put his stuff together .
Yeah , and I just don't want him to fall into the bear trap of of don't get too technical around the day in , day out , minutia stuff . Right , get higher up and start to talk about your vision for what the state is and how . You not only have the right vision , but you've executed on that vision and so he's got that .
Yeah , I do think he's got some bullets in the gun when it comes to that and he's a very likable individual . I think people will really like him . It's just really it's . It's the connection .
I think that he's going to have to see that , like , you can be a leader and you can have great ideas , but if you can't connect with people , and then that's the difference between an executive race and like a race for Congress or Senate , that it's three dimensional .
The personal connection really matters ? Yeah , no doubt .
Yeah , you get asked that all the time and I've been asked by people what's the difference between the governor's race and the Senate race ? And the difference is people care so much more about the governor's race than they do about a Senate race .
Oh , you could feel , I feel the difference in that .
They need to get to know you . Oh , yeah , it was day , and night A lot of the Senate race . Some of those are just issue proxy races , in the sense of they're really about federal issues and it's who's going to vote on my behalf on that federal issue .
Except that , jay , I mean I'm telling you we just Bregman's announcement and his just all felt federal to me , which was interesting because they're just their number one issues . Donald Trump , I get it , I get it , I get it .
They're going to run off the sitting governor who's appointed him to positions all across the board . He is her . So , so absolutely he is . He is never gonna , he's never gonna not turn this into a to a race to Trump Plus , he's trying to win a , which is impossible .
I'll ask you this in a second , but hold on , let's get to Deb Hall and then we'll ask about it . Well , no , I want to say one more thing before you just jump in on top of me , try to do a show with the two of you . It's going to be dangerous today .
I've tried to produce over here . I'm working on it .
It's like a snake bite coming at me every time you started talking and the things you want to talk about . I'll never forget this . You said , Mark , those are statewide issues that you're talking about .
This is a governor's race , what you're talking about , and you're running for US Senate , and so it was like when he finally ran for governor , Mark was like , yes , now this is all the stuff I care about .
This is I care about New Mexico . Yeah , I love that you didn't care about Senate . Let's not let her talk anymore .
I did not say that you didn't care about Senate . I'm just saying it was very clear to me that you were passionate about fixing the problems in New Mexico , even when you were running for US Senate . Right , no-transcript to see this kind of flip on the different things .
I was just saying that Mark Garnkian and Sam Bregman are very different people Just a tad . So Bregman read a poll that said Democrat primary voters hate Donald Trump . So that's what he's talking about . It's not really a passion .
Yeah , that's true . Yeah , Mark Hall spoke on passion .
He's real tough on crime , except when he was letting out child rapists and other criminals . Yeah , those things , yeah , so you're a big fan of Bregman , we know that .
And we'll get to him in a second because we have some stuff on him , but I want because this is fascinating to me . The numbers came out . So there's two things . It's good news , bad news for Deb Haaland . I will say her numbers
ā Ā¶ Deb Haaland's Campaign Spending
, her financial numbers for the first quarter of this year are massive . She raised , I think , $2.9 million . That's unbelievable , it's really impressive . So , $2.9 million , and she's got a lot of small-dollar donors in there . She's got a ton of out-of-state money where she's got the Pelosi's of the world lining her pockets .
Some tribal places . Oh , absolutely , oh , yeah , absolutely .
But that is impressive . So while Holland Campaign took in nearly $2.9 million in contributions , it also reported spending now just hold on to your seat 1.2 million on advertising and other expenses , a year out from an election .
It's craziness that left the campaign accounts of the former interior secretary , who's seeking to become the first native American woman elected governor in us history , with an account balance of slightly more than $1.7 million .
I will say that Jay was nowhere near her campaign Cause . This would never happen . And when I do campaign schools .
I always tell them it doesn't matter how much you raise , it matters how much you spend when it matters and that's the thing is spending it now . I mean they , you'll . I think you have some , but it was a ton of money on digital . And again we're not Democrat primary voters .
So who ? We're not Democrat primary voters , so who knows what ? Okay , so hold on , We'll take a look here . Look at this , you guys . So I dove into where she's spending the money . Okay , this is what we're talking about . This is stuff you don't get anywhere else . You talk about nerd loser .
Yeah , if you're interested in campaign and elections , we may be boring people .
As you look closely here it says middle seat Okay , that's a pulling out of her campaign . $150,000 that they pulled out , let's see here . Oh , and then another hundred thousand for middle seat here , and it's not just there .
You go to another middle seat got another 60,000 , and middle seat got another 75,000 , and then middle seat got another 85,000 , and then they got another 20,000 middle seats a digital . So good question , Okay . So I started to wonder that same thing as I go through my little rundown here . This is what bad producing does for you .
But here they are , and this is a full service firm for progressive causes and candidates . They do digital . Okay , they do digital . So now , jay , I don't know how you spend this much money this early . What do you think the explanation here might be ?
And here's my one argument , before you get to that , it is that a lot of times you can learn about a candidate by how they run their campaign .
If they run their campaign very loose with money and I remember when Ben Ray ran out of money when we were running against him down the stretch right , he had to get bailed out by the uh , by the uh Democrats in DC . So you learn how irresponsible they are with their campaigns .
We never ran out of money because we A have the tightest political consultant that ever lived .
I would be like , hey , can we get more signs ? Can we do this ? What's your favorite line , Jay ? No .
No Signs don't win elections .
Signs don't win elections .
Signs Barack .
Obama spent a billion dollars and didn't spend it on a single billboard .
Yeah , there you go and so my point on this is tight with money . It may explain a little bit of the type of governor she will be , which is somebody who listens to the chattering class in DC , gets raked over the coals . Money wise . She's getting ripped off . I don't care what she says about these numbers .
This is way too much money this early that she's flowing out the door . She's going to raise more than anyone's ever raised , I guarantee it . Okay , but she could also crash and burn spectacularly because of a some of her own limitations and then be some of her poor management of her campaign . So , jay , what did you think about some of those numbers ?
I mean it's just it's hard . I mean it's huge , I mean it's eye popping , I mean it's just it's hard , I mean it's huge , I mean it's eye popping . But one thing we don't know exactly what they're spending it on . Are they just advertising and messaging voters ? Are they trying to build lists , or they , you know , prospecting ?
but , at the end of the day , prospecting is you're trying to get . It costs a lot of money . You're trying to get new low dollar donors into your campaign Later . They'll end up . You'll lose money when you prospect early on , but the hope is you'll make it on the back end , be when you're , when you're able to fundraise for him later now .
The problem but I honestly think it's happening she has so many consultants on board . She's put this and they all can think of a reason to spend money . That's right now and that's what they're doing . Yep , and they're spending money and I don't know if they're trying to juice polls or trying to . They were trying to keep people out
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of the race or what the rationale was behind it .
I think she's trying to push on Heinrich here to get him out . I have no idea .
I mean I would thought they probably have a $30,000 expenditure for a survey . That's probably what kept Heinrich out , as they showed him that . But I don't know if they're trying to juice numbers . It's so it's hard to say .
It's just a lot of money and you're always risking saying , oh , we'll raise it until something happens and you may not be able to raise that money . And , as you know , when you get hit with that negative ad , you know , six weeks out , you want that money , you're going to want that 1.2 million to come back and talk about .
Sam Bregman's former clients . Well , and essentially even bringing up Bregman . It's interesting I saw it in the release , the same story that they were talking to Deb Holland . He has a he you know . It says here he's raised about 76 in his campaign , or about 90 um .
He transferred it in yeah , he transferred it in from his account , but this is what I this is . What stood out to me was that he has a press secretary like spokesperson on staff that gave his statement to the journal on this and I was dying laughing . I chuckled silently . I was like he's already got staff giving him like company spokesperson .
I mean , we didn't have like a campaign spokesperson for Mark , I think , for a solid year , because we would not spend the money ?
What are they going to say that I'm not going to say ?
I know .
Why would I not say it ? And , by the way , speaking of that , even if you go and look at Holland stuff , do you remember like you look at the payroll numbers that they pay ? Oh , they're massive , it's unreal . It's just on payroll alone we had two people for a year . No , no , no , but this is different though .
They're paying DC rates for it's unreal In New Mexico . Yeah , it's unreal , and if you're trying to big foot , everybody out . But clearly they haven't because Bregman's in , yeah .
And I don't think he'll even be the last one in , if you're .
Bregman , you like this because all of a sudden it's not really a $2.9 million advantage anymore . Yeah , like all of a sudden it becomes much more doable .
And with that burn rate , Okay , I want to ask you about the Bregman thing . We've just lampooned his whole effort because I think it's crazy . I don't think you ever win a Democratic primary in a blue state by running to the middle . It just doesn't work , right I totally agree .
So he's going to try to run as this centrist which he's not , by the way , but he's going to try to create this , gavin Newsom , I'm whoever you want me to be , and then he's going to get boat raced , assuming that Holland is disciplined and doesn't expose herself to really getting smoked in a public setting . Do you agree with that ?
Do you think he's got any shot ? What are people telling him ? What's his pathway here ?
I think he has a shot , but I think the shot's because Holland is so flawed that she could easily implode on herself . But I mean Bregman has huge problems . I mean he's trying to run as a moderate in a Democratic primary . That sucks , doesn't exist .
You know , that's not gonna that that voter group doesn't exist anymore , back when he was a city councilor up here in what , 97 , 98 , somewhere in there . Like it's a totally different time right now and I think that's where he's really vulnerable , that he's on all sides of all issues .
We beat him the first time when when brad winter ran for city council back in the 90s , calling him showboat sam , because that's all he was . He would never . It was just all show . Everything about him was showboat sam and he's kind of playing into that too . He's got the black hat again it's the same thing he's tough but he's not .
I mean , and , and you know , I think the biggest advice , the best advice anyone can ever give a candidate is you have to be genuine , right , you have to be real , because they're going to figure it out . Voters are going to figure out who you really are . I think , he's going to have a hard time trying to square all this .
When you have Holland's team , it's not hard for them to point out all this stuff .
He's riding the horse , you guys . He's got the cowboy hat on . We got the close-up , very fearful shot of him . I said he'd make an excellent new show for netflix . We could call him , like , lincoln county lawyer right great new show , great new slide for that .
I think that would be stellar for him and I just think I , I feel like , even when I just saw that at one time , I'm like I don't know how this is going to appeal to any , especially women , as I feel like it looks phony , it looks like a TV show .
I tried to tell Jay when we were announced for governor we should go to a vegan bodega down in Las . Cruces , because that's where all our voters are . I mean it's ludicrous , it's like what are you doing ?
On the horse in the middle of this , the horse with no name . I'm waiting for the gun to come out of his holster and start shooting up in the sky .
He is , you know . I do know he wouldn't have got a concealed carry permit at some point . So I mean again , that's not helpful , though no it doesn't help you .
Yeah , it's interesting , Okay . So , yeah , I think we're all on the same page on that . All right , I want to move on here . No , hang on .
Before you move on , because Holland is weak like I would not , and Bregman is going to be aggressive , and one of those shots could connect easily .
Oh , I totally agree with you , he is . He is fighting somebody who has . It's like a boxing match where Holland just has to stay away from him .
She's got to run around the ring for three minutes at a time and by the end of those 10 rounds , if she never takes a punch and never throws a punch , she's won Okay , but if he connects with her , she's finished . She's got a glass jaw , I think is the easiest way to say it .
Now I will say this too , though if he connects too early , he will get company in that primary , because if he knocks her out and he gets her out early enough , all of a sudden you'll see somebody jump into that race . It could be Torres . It could be behind Rick spinning the bus back around from DC and trying to get back here .
That's not out of the question .
Yeah , I think that's a great point .
Yeah , I , I just think it's . It's going to be interesting to see . I think that Sam Bregman would have an easier time . Obviously , we've talked about this off off the air or off the show . He'd have an easier time in a general election . He's a bigger threat in a general election , but the primary is where he's going to be .
the weakest and he's vulnerable right now , honestly , on things we don't know about and he may not have remembered , but they have , you know , $2 million to start digging .
They very much exist .
They'll find out . They'll find out . They always find everything out . Here's the question for you , though , is you know ? Some of the questions that have come up on Twitter about Sam Bregman is will the independent vote now that these are open primaries ? Will that vote really turn in his favor at primaries ?
I just don't think it's going to be that big of a number . No , no , I mean , I think you look at registration and you have DTS is really high . But if you look at turnout in general elections , it's half you know . And the reason is motor voter people when they go register to vote and they don't know anything about either party , they choose DTS .
It's not people have this idea that it's really like people are very focused . It's a smaller number . So , yeah , I think he'll probably do better with those voters . But I mean , there's a greenish tinge to some independents . I'd imagine they're voting a democratic primary .
Yeah , and the interesting thing about that too is the long is the list of candidates who have never even come close . When they said as long as I get those independents to turn out in a primary , I'm in really good shape . Like that doesn't happen . You see that a little bit in places like New Hampshire , where that's baked into the electorate over decades .
Getting New Mexico voters out who are independents , who tend to not vote as much , for the exact reasons that Jay says . Getting them to come back out again and vote for you , I think , is fool's gold . It sounds good in a donor meeting when you say to the donor we're going to get all this , and they're like well , I'll kind of make some sense .
And you get these Republican voters who are like , well , we're going to get a Democrat anyway , so we might as well have the least bad Democrat . That's some of what you get , but with him you get a lot more than you're bargaining for .
Put it that way Okay , let's talk about the fact that there's been an arrest now with the bombing of the Republican New Mexico headquarters our headquarters office . So it's an Albuquerque man charged in connection with the arson attacks on Tesla dealership and the Republican Party .
Yeah , go ahead .
And other than his blue lipstick .
Yeah , that's solid blue lipstick . Let's hear what Pam Bondi has to say about it and then we can talk about this a little bit . She went on Fox News and talked about arresting this guy and the fact that the feds don't play around when they arrest you .
This guy is charged with committing the Tesla offense in New Mexico in February and then the GOP headquarters in March . These people thought they could get away with it . They can't . This is our fifth major arrest on Tesla . I guess they are listening . They can't . This is our fifth major arrest on Tesla . I guess they are listening . They better listen .
This guy is looking at 40 years in prison . I have directed my prosecutors not to make any offers . He is going away if convicted for 40 years . He is the fifth major arrest we've made and stay tuned for more .
So there go okay . So yeah , so this guy I I think it's it's interesting in the whole deal here and his name is jameson wagner , um , and he , uh , obviously , he does , apparently appreciates a good lipstick he appreciates good lipstick .
He's , he's and a mullet .
As it appears , there's some mullet going on here as well .
He's from his big problem was he didn't tighten down that hoodie .
I don't know if you saw the criminal complaint .
Oh , the criminal picture .
it's definitely him After he lit that Molotov cocktail off and that Tesla , like the blowback , pushed his hoodie back . And it's very clearly him .
Oh , it's so clearly him , so I don't know how he's going to get away with that one . He's not .
He had all the evidence at his so in the feds .
don't screw up when the feds charge you . It's like good night everybody . Yeah , it's not like the AP .
It's not like Albuquerque Police Department . So well , at least he's been caught , which is good to hear , honestly , I mean and we we talked about the governor's house in Pennsylvania , josh Shapiro's house , getting firebombed by another crazy loon as well . They've caught him , which is good news .
I'm glad that some of these are being taken seriously and people are going after this , regardless of what side of the aisle you're on . I'm just this all this like violent , let's go up with violence , I just think has to stop , and rhetoric that is pushed through by our leaders doesn't help .
So yeah , and it does look like the Shapiro attack was anti-Semitic . I mean , that's why this person went after Shapiro is because he's Jewish .
You won't hear about that , though on a lot of the national news programs . Unfortunately , it's interesting he didn't seem to have real .
I mean , he bashed on Biden , he bashed on Trump , he's bashed on all kinds of things , but he really is really anti-Semitic , and so I just think that's the one thing that , well , what really needs to happen is what Pam Bondi's doing , which is , someone goes away for four years for that .
All right , how much do you really care about that issue that you now want to go throw a Molotov cocktail at someone like an idiot .
That's right .
It's just some building .
It's unbelievable .
That's exactly right .
Okay , so now let's speak Speaking of uh , I don't know , idiots , I don't know if this is I , just no , this is the story of the day .
I think it's fascinating .
Oh , and there's local connections . Go ahead .
Let's tell what the story is first . Let's read this headline
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so top house Dems trying to send delegation to El Salvador . Again as a reminder .
And we were going to do this story right . We're going to do the house Dems right . But then Chris Holland's like hold my beer , Chris Van Hollen , hold my beer , I'm going to El Salvador . So we switched directions here and here he is , Van Hollen .
Yeah , van Hollen requests meeting with the president to discuss return of Kilmar Abrego Garcia , announcing his intent to travel to El Salvador this week If Garcia is not returned .
Okay , and guess what he did .
Got on a plane .
This genius got on a plane and did it , so , so we want to follow this and follow his progress . So here he is , when he lands in San Salvador .
I hope to meet with some high-level government officials from El Salvador . As I've said before , the goal of my visit is to talk to people here about the release of Kilmar Abrego Garcia . I told his wife and his family I would do everything possible to bring him home and we're going to keep working at this until we're successful .
I also hope to have the chance to meet with him , but we'll have a better idea if that works out a little later on .
I mean I'm sorry . This is in the way the media are spinning this , like calling him a Maryland father and dad . And it's it's ridiculous that he was found by two immigration courts , which , by the way , Maryland is not known for being like a right leaning court by any stretch .
He was found to be a member of MS 13 and they want they put him on to deport him . Then he files a couple of like things to get him to not go back to El Salvador .
Let's go through , because when I first heard it , I kept reading articles trying to figure out what is this ?
And you can't find it because , they buried it .
Oh , it's hard to find it .
You would think , reading through it , it's an American citizen that got wrongfully deported . So in 2011 , he admits he came to the United States illegally . Seven years later , like 2019 , seven or eight years later , he's picked up along with other MS-13 gang members . They were questioning them in regards to a murder , not saying that he was involved .
But they say oh , he's here illegally . They go to deport him . They put a hold on him . His lawyers asked the immigration judge to let him go . The DHS says no , we think he's part of MS-13 . There's nothing to rebut that . And the judge says well , I'm not going to take a chance with this , so I'm holding you .
A little while later , his lawyers come forward and they say they try to claim asylum , but you can't claim asylum because it's time barred . And he's saying I feel danger if I went back did not grant him any kind of legal status . He just said you can't remove him to El Salvador .
Which is where he is from , for the record .
Which is where he's from , and it's because he was fearing of a gang that was eight years . You know , like this case could have been won easily to send him back to El Salvador . So the mistake the quote mistake is they moved him to El Salvador and not he could have been removed to any other country .
So like that's the issue and he's from El Salvador , well , he's in El Salvador . He's an illegal immigrant from El Salvador . The idea that we can go kidnap him and bring him back is insane and that's why the media like it doesn't make sense .
What do you want the United States to do at this point ? Well , and then gangs that he was scared of in El Salvador
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. They are no longer a threat , according to the president of El Salvador . So that actually released , that would be released from him too , and because he's still being waited to be deported anyway . It wasn't like he was granted asylum here .
He was going to be in and his mom owns some store that there was getting extorted . That store has been closed . This case is a bogus case and it's a perfect example , and this is why I think the Democrats have a problem . Is the Atlantic or the media runs on these stories and these guys jump on it and decide that's their hero ?
And the media , of course , is not like told the whole truth . And then all of a sudden you're on a plane to El Salvador to try to free a potential MS-13 gang member , at worst , at best an illegal immigrant who should be deported .
And , by the way , there is some . There is some domestic violence in there too as well , by the way . Oh right , that's good to hear . Yeah , because they talk about him here .
He's married . Yeah , he was married when he was in jail . Hold pending the removal process in 2019 , so of course , you're doing everything you can to try to stay in the united states . So again , it's just , it's a . It's a great example of abusing the system . It's in the I .
we used to jump on a lot of these guys like the Van Hollens of the world and the party in general on the democratic side for jumping on these 80 , 20 issues and just hard on that 20 , just working that 20 hard . This has to be a 90 , 10 . I mean it's crazy bad in the other part of this and the other political part of this is this is Rachel Moore .
This is one of actually one of Chris Van Hollen's constituents . She's dead . She's dead because an MS-13 gang member killed her from El Salvador , by the way from El Salvador . OK , what did he do with her ? What call did he make to the Moore and family to say I am so sorry . I'm doing everything I can in Washington DC ? Funny you ask .
Sean Hannity asked the same question of Rachel Morin's mother .
Your senator going to bat for this illegal . But did he ever say anything to you and your family about your loss to ever call you , ever take the time to be with you ?
No , actually I'm very angry , I'm actually outraged , but I'm too sad at the moment to show anger . At the same time , he did not call our family . He did not give condolences . There was no action on the Democratic Party in any way from Joe Biden , Kamala Harris , Mayorkas , anyone here in Maryland .
None of the senators did anything to help search for the murderer of my daughter .
Unbelievable .
And to add to that this , this guy that killed her daughter , he his DNA was left behind at a scene of a crime in California where he assaulted a woman and did a home burglar invasion . And that's how they ended up linking them thinking this guy to her murder .
Had they done the DNA swap at the border Cause he tried to cross twice , by the way , before he actually got in they would have seen that he was on an Interpol because he had murdered somebody in his home , in his home country as well .
So again , if we will just do our job or let ICE do their job when they come across the border , things like this could potentially be at least lowered . I'm not saying we'll never let an illegal person in here again that's committed a violent crime , but it's lowered . It's like taking the steps that we already have in place .
Let us do the job that we have in place to protect this country . And again he's down there .
This Nimwit is down there Now . He got told to pound sand by the El Salvador president . Yeah , yeah , he did and yeah , he took a little shot . But here's the thing he's doing , and this is the interesting thing about Van Hollen .
What he does is and the great part about this approach is that if it doesn't work you know , if your head's in the wood chipper and it's like scraping off the top of your head go further in , Because the further in you go , the more it's going to work . So Van Hollen comes back and says , yeah , yeah , this didn't work .
You know , the El Salvadoran government told me to stick it , but guess what ? El Salvador , we got more on the way for you , so get ready .
And I won't stop trying , and I can assure the President , the Vice President , that I may be the first United States Senator to visit El Salvador on this issue . But there will be more and there will be more members of Congress coming .
Oh , that's big , it's so outrageous .
But this goes back to and you see this locally Keller , mayor , keller . They'll whine about oh , ice deported 48 people , but they never identify who these , who these criminals were . For a good reason , because this is their best example and look who . He is Right .
But there's a reason they never identify who ICE has deportedorted , like the guy who instigated and encouraged the murder of jada gonzalez in albuquerque was one of those deported by ice recently in new mexico .
That keller and them get a run around and demonize ice and no reporter sticks a microphone in their face and say which criminal illegal immigrant are you talking about ? That you want back ? You know , and they don't do that . And they finally thought they had one and now they're seeing . This is why they don't do it . This is why the media will not report it .
And if you look at this case , they spent 64 minutes the mainstream media on this wrongful , wrongful um deportation , zero minutes on the rachel warren case .
And to me , if you can report both cases , you can say explain the whole case on the guy that was deported to el salvador and since , and the reason the trump administration is pursuing it is because of cases like this and that rachel warren verdict was just the other day right , and so it's timely , but they don't .
They don't connect them and so when you it's an 80 20 issue , it's a 90 10 issue . But you wonder what are the people hearing ? What's the public hearing ?
yeah , but what we found , I think , over time , and what this election showed us , is that they are now hearing things from other sources that's exactly like this podcast and things like that .
People get this information , they talk to their neighbors , they talk to people and I will tell you , like I do politics and research , it took me a while to like dig down the truth , to see exactly what happened with this guy and these mainstream media articles , because you go through and it's just it , most of them , a lot of them , won't even say he's an
immigrant , a legal immigrant , and so you think he's a citizen .
He's a maryland dad he's a maryland dad .
Hold on , we're getting the maryland dad , don't steal don't steal my maryland dad , you guys are gonna love this , you guys are gonna love the maryland dad .
It's so bad , the maryland dad thing . When you put it , you watch it . Put together it'll drive you crazy , but also driving you crazy . You guys mentioned the media and caroline levitt talked a little bit about this . She started getting pressed on it and was sort of like what world am I living in here ?
abrigo garcia was a foreign terrorist . He is an ms-13 gang member . He was engaged in human trafficking , he illegally came into our country , and so deporting him back to El Salvador was always going to be the end result .
There is never going to be a world in which this is an individual who's going to live a peaceful life in Maryland because he is a foreign terrorist and a MS-13 gang member . Not only have we confirmed that , president Bukele yesterday in the Oval Office confirmed that as well .
So he went back to his home country , where he will face consequences for his gang affiliation and his engagement in human trafficking .
I'm not sure what is so difficult about this for everyone in the media to understand , and it's appalling , truly appalling that there has been so much time covering this alleged uh human trafficker and this gang member okay , yeah , no , she , and she's right because in her righteous indignation is is indeed righteous , because the media coverage on this is so much worse
than than even you realize .
So I want to play for you something newsbusters did , which , which Newsbusters puts together all kinds of good stuff . So they went out and just did an AI search on , you know , maryland man . Right , if you grab Maryland man ? Because if he's Maryland man , what are you doing ? Deporting a Maryland man ? Right , what are you kidding ?
It's like , honestly , midway through , it's like you could just . It sounds like Michelin man Like you . Just here he comes , you could just it sounds like Michelin man Like you .
Just here he comes .
It's alliteration , I get that , but MS 13 ties in with Maryland as well , like , if you want to argue about quibble on that , they should be he's . He is an illegal immigrant .
Right , no , no , no . And so let's , let's listen to this . And just this is so disingenuous . And again , I guess nothing's changed . I mean , we think about the election . You think , oh my gosh , if things are people finally starting to realize , will the media finally realize they have to serve ?
you know , a broader electorate ? No , it's not that way at all . Just listen to this . A hearing today in the case of a Maryland father mistakenly sent to that notorious prison in El Salvador .
Attorneys for the Maryland man who was mistakenly deported to a prison in El Salvador are making another push for his return today .
The Trump administration heads to federal court today after being accused of wrongfully deporting a Maryland father to El Salvador .
The Maryland man deported to El Salvador after an administrative error .
There's actually a court hearing involving the Maryland father . The Maryland father's case is in court and happening now a hearing for a Maryland man .
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A Maryland father , a Maryland father . One of the things that struck me was the lawyer for the Maryland man saying there is no such thing as a removal order , to nowhere .
Jay , it's just outrageous . I mean it's outrageous and you see it here too . You'll see Albuquerque man arrested and they're leaving out his illegal immigrant . You know , like I told you about the boy I coached forever watched his friend die right in front of him , was murdered last year . It says you read those articles . It says Albuquerque man .
It's an illegal immigrant from Cuba . But they don't say that and so you see it here and it's just part of this . It really is this idea from the media that they can't tell the public the truth we can't handle it , we can't handle it for true , turn everybody into racists and everything else .
And it's just , it's outrageous because you need , because when the public knows the truth they can force change and they get . They demand change and if the public knew the truth about a lot of these , they would demand change .
It demanded end to sanctuary policies , because that's not even necessarily immigration , as much as it is criminal illegals who are committing crimes . They would demand that change . But they don't know that these are illegal immigrants committing a lot of these crimes and murders . They think they're Albuquerque man or Maryland man and that's just not true .
And on top of it , an MS-13 member which was found by an immigration court twice that he was a gang member . So again he was found guilty . He was told that he was going to be deported . He was in a stay situation .
The only mistake was they said don't send him back to El Salvador . But he was never going to stay in the United States and had again that's what the Biden administration not fighting that order the Trump had they fought that he would have ended up in El Salvador anyway , right there . Just for all the reasons you mentioned about the gangs gone .
Yeah , it's all BS , and he never raised any of those claims , remember , until he got arrested seven or eight years after he was in the country . And he knew that it was his last ditch effort and a lawyer obviously told him look , you got to say you feared for your life .
Yeah , exactly . It was a last of shepherd .
But what you're watching here is another political meltdown and miscalculation , really , because remember , and you feel this , when you go to Washington DC it is a different world than being in the rest of the United States . You , there is a cocoon there and there's a certain type of orthodoxy that people just buy into there .
And so you see this , you see these media group , these big media companies , you see people around the Acela corridor who have no clue , and then they think that this is something that the country's like yeah , go get that guy back . It could be you or your relative next .
Most people don't look at MS-13 members and think but for the grace of God there go I . It's just not true . And if this ridiculous ?
If they actually let this guy back in the country and he bought a house right next to you you would move Like that's how dangerous apparently this guy was . This is what the people are saying that have actually met this family . So you get all these reporters talking about oh well , he wasn't dangerous . I'm sorry If he wasn't dangerous .
The court system , which again was a liberal court to decide in 2019 , it wasn't the far right that was saying get this kid out of this country or get this person out of this country . It was a left-leaning immigration court that said this guy needs to be deported .
And of all the reasons he's saying were true , he would have claimed them when he came here . That's not what happened . He claimed them when ICE picked him up when he was sitting around , hanging around with other MS-13 gang members . And I'm just wondering like what ? What ? Who's the next lucky senator that's going to go down to el salvador ?
I can't wait lesson , and I'll go back to what they've been doing , which is what they do here and you'll never identify . They'll never identify any of these criminals who have been removed for good reason , because they don't want the public to realize who they are right yeah , and this is the exact .
That's why this is such a bear trap , because they're walking into a wood chipper , because everybody knows who the guy is and they're like wait a minute . You just see how phony the whole approach is . It look and again , when your opponent is is diving in and doing something this stupid , you just let them do it .
So that's , that Okay .
One last story , Christy , I know you'll appreciate this .
Well , I mean okay . So Christy now made for TV . Approach to Homeland security . That's the headline . Um , listen , she's very pretty . Okay , she was a great . She was a great governor . I give her that . But here we go . Here's a little quote from the story .
On her first day on the job , noem held a town hall meeting to introduce herself to the workforce and came on stage to the Trace Atkinson hot mama . She donned border patrol fatigues , toted a gun and posed with airplane controls in the cockpit of a Coast Guard plane .
Famed photos of the secretary , including one of her wearing a cowboy hat on a horseback with a border agent around her and another of her on an ATV , have gone up in different offices around DHS .
Oh , I like this .
According to photos seen by the Wall Street Journal , under her watch , the department has allotted $200 million to air an ad campaign featuring Noam warning immigrants in the country illegally in English to leave now . The ad , which aired on national networks and cable , has cost an estimated $9 million so far , according to data from Adam Pak at Ademapak .
Okay , let's just take a look at her picture . Listen , she's very pretty . She's on our team , so I don't want to come off crazy and rude , but , honest to God , I'm looking at her going . She does .
Can you see her right hand ? I mean , that was the problem with that photo .
Well , because of what the watch .
No , I mean the way she's holding it .
The gun pointed at the guy's head . Did you notice that one ? Yeah , there , well , did you notice that one ?
yeah , there's that okay , there's also like it's anyway where is her right hand ? It's on the pistol grip but , like her arm , isn't around the stock , so it looks really weird okay but I mean this goes back to we're talking about greg hall and the whole . You got to be authentic authentic right she looks like she just looks like talking about .
That's all she looks like ice barbie . I'm sorry , but she's like . If you go back to that , she's like a Barbie doll . She's got false eyelashes , lots of makeup . Her extensions are to a whole new level . Hey , listen .
I want to get in the middle of this mean girl fight . No , I'm not mean girl .
I think she's very pretty . I mean she beats me hands down 10 to 9 . I mean 10 to 1 , right 10 to 9 .
It's close , it's close , it's very close , it's close , it's close , it's close , it's close , it's close , it's close , it's close , it's close , it's close . I'm sorry , it's not even close right , it's not even close .
I wouldn't say that , babe , don't sell yourself short .
Listen , I'm not selling myself short in costume like an ice agent .
What are you talking about ? That's not even costume . She's patrolling the border guy .
Okay , I just feel like it looks staged . It does look like she's playing a character . She's a very serious person .
What are you talking about ? That's not fair . I mean that's not fair .
So now she's dressed up as a fire agent . Okay , great .
A fire agent .
I mean , I'm sorry , a firefighter Okay great , so she's now a firefighter ? No , she's not . She's driving a boat . Look at the expression .
That is not a flattering photo . I'm not sure you want to be the Coast Guard captain here .
Okay , so now she's a Coast Guard captain . It is a little . Now she's flying a plane . Okay now , what is she doing now in this she ?
looks like she has no idea what's happening on the plane . Is anybody that she's ?
flying a plane right there , which we don't ever want to see . Anyway , no , I'm not ripping on gnome as a governor or as a this position for her . I think it's great that she's out there and helping us shed some light on it , and maybe that's kind of part of the marketing campaign is we want eyeballs on ice and border patrol , and she's .
She has this added element cause she's so pretty that she can kind of add this to it . But I just think it comes off a little hollywoodish . It comes off a little bit like I'm ice barbie and now I'm now I'm what ? National guard barbie ? Or I'm flying , I'm a pilot barbie , I don't know .
I just think if I was her , I'd be like no , I'm just gonna come out here , I'm gonna promote these guys that are doing their job well . I don don't need to be on a horse , I don't need to be in costume .
I just need to put these guys front and center , put them out there for the world to see that they're doing their job and they're doing their job well .
That's my well , I mean , I'm sure they're arguing that's what she's trying to highlight it by showing up .
Yeah , but she's in the day and acting like it was a weather girl . I don't know , I'm not .
That's not what I do , I still think , and not to get in on the gnome stuff , but I really think the best spokesman they have on this is Tom Homan . Oh , yes , and I think when he's out there- .
He's straight out of Central Casting , by the way , but it's authenticity .
Right , it's real .
He absolutely believes it . Think , when he's out he's fantastic and I don't care he can , he can stumble over some words and everything . Again , he's authentic and that's why it connects with people well .
And I think and this is one of the things about the trump administration , about trump in general , trump's , about , you know , about delivery in some cases , like he likes that polished delivery . Now , in some cases you get a great combination like levitt does a good job , I , I think you're right . Homans does a good job , besant does . Besant does a good job .
Right , because they're competent . She's coming off as as less . You know , she's a little . It's just too much fluff mixed in and it's and it's exactly what you're saying , jay you end up with a situation where you have somebody who doesn't look like they really belong there . They look like they're there for a photo op .
Well it's interesting that when I was a news anchor back in the day , they always wanted one of us news anchors to go fly with the Blue Angels , right and then so you could get PR out of it , so the Blue Angels would get the press you put one of the news anchor girls . Did you get in there ?
I did not , and I know that shocks you that I was , because I would have thrown up all over . That's gonna bring good pr , it's totally true for the blue angels so . But I do remember they had another news anchor and she did it . She did a great job . But they put her in the flight suit and she did .
It was like it was so sticky , it felt sticky you do have to wear a flight suit . It's the same thing about the whatever the jeff bezos , flight up in the rocket with all the girls in the fitted astronaut costumes .
the other day Again it was a costume .
It's it's . I worked in PR for 23 years . This is PR what Gnome's doing and it's exactly what Jeff Bezos and his little rocket ship going up and down and putting these chicks in really skinny costumes . It's costumes and it feels inauthentic . That's all I'm going to say .
I agree . The devil's advocate side of that is , even if you're sitting there talking about her and people are criticizing her , they're talking about what Trump's doing on the border . Yeah , it's true , and that's the whole point .
And she's not on the ballot , you're right , you're totally right and given , I mean , I appreciate all the work that she's actually doing , I just think , me personally , I would take a different approach if I was in that position . I wouldn't be showing up trying to pretend I was an ICE agent . I would come down there .
I thought Pam Bondi did a great job . They did a raid last week or a couple weeks ago and she showed up to it . She's wearing a hat , kind of like you would . Early in the morning . Kash Patel was there too . I thought she did a good job doing that Right .
Yeah , and there is like anything right . Authenticity , because you have a feel you're like all right , yeah , get it . Like a hat works now , I don't need to be , I don't need the bulletproof vest on , I'm not blasting through the front door , right ?
In other words , you put the hat on , you may dress a little more casually , and something like that but it's just a huge rifle to her and she's pointing it at the guy's head .
Now I know that she doesn't mean to do that and I'm not saying I'm some gun expert , but I know for a fact mark's , mark's phone's blown up . I mean , we're trying to wrap it up , guys .
I'm sorry , I know , I know . Well , I told my phone to go off if you've talked and used up all your words , and I think everybody kind of knows that's where we are .
Okay , fine , fine , fine , fine , All right . Well , we appreciate you guys tuning in no anything else we want to mention .
Anybody want to drop in before we're done ? We're going to celebrate Easter with the girls , so we'll see you back here probably on Monday-ish .
Yeah , we'll put on a show , probably late day Monday , yeah , that's the next show . Jay , thanks for joining us and giving us the background on campaign financing and fundraising and going in early and all the words , any predictions , jen , anything coming up here . Are we going to see ?
any surprises .
No weird surprises here . I think the whole field in all these races is pretty unsettled yeah .
You think anybody else is getting in the mayor's race ? That isn't . Yeah , I think there is .
I keep hearing the Dem . Former Dem US Attorney is going to get in today .
Okay , hold on . I want to ask you something , because we did a big thing .
The Dem former US Attorney is getting in today . That's today or tomorrow .
Okay , Okay , so one of the big arguments , the fact that her bringing in the National Guard would initially you'd think , oh my gosh , trying to help out Keller . I'm sure you have a different opinion .
Our thought was it's not helpful at all . I said no way .
I think it's just highlighting , I mean , his whole message is crimes down and then , she declares an emergency and sends him to the National Guard . Yeah , no way . And so you know , I think the Democratic Party is split . I think there's a lot .
I think the governor and again , this is just my opinion I think she thinks he's a clown , and you saw that by how she's put in the state police and doing this right on top and they can sit there and cry all they want . Oh , we asked for it , they didn't .
Oh wait , that's such a phony idea If they're a good reporter , they'd be ippering all those emails for the last three months of them talking about it and guess what ? They don't exist .
And guess what ? They will never and they will never ask the tough question in this media market , which is such a shame .
Okay , so again a new candidate for mayor coming in hot Democratic former US attorney .
And the more the merrier yeah , I know the more the merrier , bring them in , bring all of , just so you know this thing likely goes to a runoff right , so the two highest vote getters do a runoff six weeks or so after the initial election , correct ?
In November . Okay , all right , all right . So you guys have a blessed Easter , a happy Passover , and we will see you back here early next week . Take care .
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