¶ Trump's Radical Trade Vision
You and I are told increasingly we have to choose between a left or right . Well , I'd like to suggest there is no such thing as a left or right . There's only an up or down . This is the no Doubt About it . Podcast . No doubt about it Now your hosts Christy and Mark Runcany . Wildfire , you can't catch a sound . Running , running , running dead .
I'm your own runner , christy and Mark Runcany . Late night edition . The tariff edition .
Yeah , it is late , sorry , we had a lot of stuff going on and then obviously we wanted to get the information from what happened at the announcement today , from the rose garden , from the president , which will affect every single american , no doubt with what president trump's trying to do here , and we're going to break that down in detail , trying to kind of
explain what's going on here . we're not economists , right , we're not trade experts , we're not going to act like we are , but we do have some understanding of what the messaging politically is here and what impact it has and why they're doing what they're doing , which is fascinating to me . It really is .
There is no question President Trump is betting his whole presidency second time around on this policy .
And he can do that because he's not running it . Well , I mean , you know , he says he might be running for a third term .
We have that in here too .
We'll talk about that in a minute . But , honestly , a second term president , if he's going to do this , that's who it needs to be , that's going to try this , you know , is it going to work ? That's the big question is , is there going to , is it going to pay off ? And we'll be able to tell pretty quickly .
I mean , the results of this we'll know to some degree , which we'll talk about a little bit in the show .
Yeah , or will we know quickly ? That's the thing that I think is kind of interesting . I'm not sure we will .
Well , I think , when you start seeing manufacturing jobs you know we're talking about that a little bit today . On this those jobs starting to come back to the States , those kinds of things .
Yes , You're going to see some uptick in pricing , um , in certain products that you know come in from another part of the world , Right , but how much are these folks going to ? Are we going to see kind of more jobs coming back here ?
He's trying to reset the whole economy of the United States , reversing about 40 years of policy , right Policy of you bring your product in , we keep your product out for another country , and then the United States sort of foots the difference on the bill .
Yeah , and he's , I mean honestly , he's doing what a lot of countries already do , Right , and we're going to dive into that as well , which I did not understand and I've got a real education today . So I just think , and I've got a real education today , so I just think , I think this is interesting to do the deep dive on this .
So , people , really there's so much out there when you start listening to tariffs , how bad this is going to be . I mean you can see tweets from all of our state leaders right now , already freaking out , oh , freaking out , it's over , it's over .
It's going to just every New Mexican's , not advice . I go to Teresa Ledger Fernandez because I say wait a minute , you clearly know business . You clearly know what's going on here . When I need to really dial in on the highest levels of policy , the first call I make is the young Gabe Baskets . I say , gabe , tell me about this please . I mean , come on .
And then , when you want to talk about where your family's going over the next 10 years and how to return manufacturing jobs , there's no doubt you call melanie stansberry , because she's someone who is fighting for you , because she knows economic policy like the back of her hand and then we're also going to dive in because I'm I'm so kind of semi-frustrated with all
the negative talk about , you know , all these others .
There's just mass firings and these mass layoffs .
Doge .
Doge is just making so many of these cuts , we're not going to have firefighters , we're not going to have I mean health care workers , we're not going to have money to protect us during another pandemic , and I'm just like what ?
So when you actually dive into it and you listen and you pull some actual information , I'm like , hmm , this does not add up to what you hear in mainstream media .
So we're gonna show you some clips of that directly from the people that are working at Doge , on what they're saying , how you can find out exactly their transparency about it and maybe calm some people's fears , because I do feel like the fear mongering just continues to get fueled .
Right , and this shows and what this whole show is going to be about is showing the difference between and how much easier it is to run on politics versus running on policy and governing on policy . Really , this is governing on policy versus opposition based in politics . Right , that's what this is .
It's much easier to throw bombs about politics when someone is trying to change real policy . So it's going to be fascinating . We'll get moving through it . It's late at night , so we're going to try to get through this as quickly as we can , but I think we have some good information .
Yeah , and you stack this show fat , so we'll see if we get through all of it or not .
OK , ok , well , we'll see .
So OK , we'll start this , this first comment . Yeah , it's a little bit of a slam to us so we wanted to address this one . This comes from Jim , and Jim says Seriously , though , as a lifelong conservative Republican , I am genuinely disheartened by just what a perfect mirror your show and Fox News and OANN etc are to the likes of CNN , MSNBC .
Boo , we're nothing like MSNBC , but anyway , it all just scoops of the same horse from different ends of the horse bathtub . Not one ounce of courage to oppose what is going on right now . Where are your calls for the firings in the whiskey leaks debacle ?
Okay , well , as , as the lifelong , you can put him back up for a second Ava . Uh , jim , first of all , I don't believe he listens to the show that much . In fact , I don't think he does , right , okay , but especially because his biggest concern what is his biggest concern ?
His biggest concern is a chat between a reporter and some people in the Pentagon and in our government . That's his biggest concern . I'm sure he was on the edge of his seat in Afghanistan when 13 US service members were killed and we left billions of dollars of supplies behind as we turned tail and ran , and nobody lost their job . So , jim , spare me the .
I'm a conservative Republican and my biggest concern is whiskey leaks . Give me a break . You , you , you , you phony me a break . You , you , you , you , phony .
Okay , now you can criticize us , and that's fine , and I and I wanted you to read this because I want to talk about this we talk all the time about policy and about what we think's going on here , and sometimes we're very supportive and I think broadly we're supportive of what Trump's trying to do , cause I think he's on the right track .
But when there are mistakes and there are things that don't work , we talk about that too . If you actually listen to the show , you would know that .
And if you listen on the regular , you know that I mean and not every show .
There's no doubt there's some things , but , but . But to sit there and go through this and then you go with whiskey leaks even using that name shows me you're a phony . Okay , you're a phony , but whatever , that's fine .
Believe me , in this show , you're going to see plenty of us talking about the concern here , because Trump is betting his whole presidency and our economy on this sheriff's policy , and I don't know if it's going to work . I have no idea . But it's important to understand where he's coming from , and so that's the key for this show . Where's he come from ?
Why is he doing it ? Ok , trump goes back 40 years on this . Ok , and I will say this One of the biggest criticisms of Trump has been and I think it's a legitimate one you don't always know where he's coming from . Sometimes , his feelings , his policy positions , can be variable to be charitable . Right , you wonder what does he really stand for ?
What's really in his gut ? Like Reagan , you knew he was about smaller government . He was about peace through strength . Right , you knew what Reagan was about . There was no question about that , and there are people on the left that you know what they're about . Bernie Sanders , like him or not , you know what he's about , okay , there's no doubt .
And the criticism for Trump is you really don't Maybe he's more of a pragmatist ? He's not a pragmatist on tariffs , he is absolutely a true believer .
So I want to start this whole thing with Donald Trump from 30 plus years ago , okay , and if you remember , 30 years ago , the big story was Japan cleaning our clock right Economically , and they were , and , by the way , we'll show the numbers on why they were .
But we want to go back to Trump and here's what Trump had to say in regards to trade and how we get treated by other countries and , in this case , japan .
We let Japan come in and dump everything right into our markets and everything . It's not free trade . If you ever go to Japan right now and try to sell something , forget about it , Oprah . Just forget about it . It's almost impossible . They don't have laws against it , they just make it impossible . They come over here . They sell their cars , their VCRs .
They knock the hell out of our companies . And , hey , I have tremendous respect for the Japanese people . I mean , you can respect somebody that's beaten the hell out of you , but they are beating the hell out of this country , Kuwait . They live like kings the poorest person in Kuwait . They live like kings and yet they're not paying .
We make it possible for them to sell their oil . Why aren't they paying us 25% of what they're making ? It's a joke .
Okay , so this is not something that's new . This is not something where he's you know I might do this , do that . He truly believes this and I think he made today , when he announced all the tariffs he made , an incredibly compelling case . I watched the whole thing . I sat there just because I wouldn't understand it .
Right .
You know , because you hear , hear . You watch CNBC , you watch the Fox Business , you watch all these different avenues Fox News , whatever , msnbc , whatever it is and you hear all these different things , right ? So what are we really trying to accomplish ?
And for the first time , I think , he came out and he made the full case for why he's doing this and why we have no middle-class jobs anymore , why we don't produce anything in this country anymore .
He went through all of that , so we'll get into all of that and what it was , but it was fascinating to me to see that and to understand and get an idea of why he is betting his whole legacy on this .
Right , I think this . I added some of these clips from the very beginning because they're what stood out to me Right and so just kind of an education . I thought this one was pretty like just simple in the fact of explaining that you know , we take in everybody's products from all over the world .
A lot of these countries will not let us ship our products back to them to sell in their countries because they don't want us to flood their market and take away jobs and economy and money from their , their state and their and where their country . So I want you to listen to this clip because I thought this was just a really quick example of that .
On tariff barriers . The European Union bans imports of most American poultry . You understand , they say we want to send you our cars , we want to send you everything , but we're not going to take anything that you have . Australia bans and they're wonderful people and wonderful everything , but they ban American beef .
Yet we imported $3 billion of Australian beef from them just last year alone . They won't take any of our beef . They don't want it because they don't want it to affect their farmers and you know what . I don't blame them , but we're doing the same thing right now , starting about midnight tonight . I would say .
Okay , so let's stop right there .
He goes on . He does go on , though , but that's fine . He does go on to talk about like things like rice in China , things of that nature that you know they won't let us sell any product to them . They're protecting their markets and their countries , and something he's saying listen , it's time that we do the same thing .
Yeah , and I think it's a really good point , and I think that showed and it's smart of you to pick that clip because it showed his whole attitude the whole time . His whole attitude wasn't we're going to get you back for this , it was I get why you did what you did .
I understand why you guys are doing this Many of you and he says it in one of his comments . He says many of you are our close friends . I understand it , but we just can't continue to let you flood
¶ Tariff Policy Explained
our markets and then you put massive trade barriers up . And , by the way , as we talk about all this stuff , it's not just tariffs that that hurt American products into other markets , it's things like that . And and many of you know what that is it's called a value added tax . It happens all the time in Canada , right ?
So you , there's a tariff on the product , whatever . That is like 10% , we'll say . And so Canada would say , oh , we only charge a 10% tariff on your beef , what are you talking about ? And then you also charge a VAT , which could be 20% , right ? And then you also charge another fee on top of that .
So what they do is there's a lot of hiding the ball with this stuff .
So what Trump has decided to do is he's basically said okay , we're going to take the amount of a wall that you build right to our products Sometimes it's a VAT , sometimes it's a tax , sometimes it's a tariff , whatever it is and we know that wall is a certain percentage high okay , and they said we're going to make our wall to your products half as high .
That's what he did today . And he said we're gonna make it half as high . So , if your country charges 10% , we're going to charge five . Or maybe we'll match your 10 , but we won't go above that , right . And or if it's a country charges 40% , we'll go 20 . Right , and we'll show you all those numbers . But that's the basis .
And all of this comes from something also that you picked out , which is a historical lesson .
Yeah , I love this historical background about tariffs and how the U ? S used to run on tariffs . So let's let him explain this , because I thought this was a great little mini history lesson in how did tariffs start , why did we get away from them and what was the outcome because of it .
We'll tell you . But they collected so much money . They actually formed a commission to determine what they were going to do with the money , who they were going to give it to and how much .
In 1913 , for reasons unknown to mankind , they established the income tax so that citizens , rather than foreign countries , would start paying the money necessary to run our government . Then , in 1929 , it all came to a very abrupt end with the Great Depression , and it would have never happened .
If they had stayed with the tariff policy , it would have been a much different story . They tried to bring back tariffs to save our country , but it was gone . It was gone , it was too late , nothing could have .
That wasn't set up great . And so just to explain that really quickly I'm sorry I kind of jumped the clip ahead of time , but basically what he's saying in the 18 , late 1800s we had tariffs going that supported our country . We took those away in 1913 and started .
We started income tax and we made ourselves support ourselves , basically Like we paid for everything . And then that bust , you know , in 1929 , that bust really brought our country down to its knees basically .
So that was kind of the background of it , that we had a country built on tariffs and we had so much money they said we didn't know what to do with it all . That's what he was talking about .
Right , and we're not making the point here , and I don't think he's making the point that you can go back to . I think you'd like to go back to an all tariff economy , but but we've swung so far .
The other way , which is , if you earn money in this country now , they're a good chunk of Americans who work one out of every two days for the government , a government that spends two trillion dollars a year more than we take in , like we can't keep going , and so he's looking at this going . We don't have those middle class jobs anymore . They're gone .
Our manufacturing is gone . We saw this during COVID . We farmed out all of our manufacturing and drugs and everything else to China and other countries . We don't have them , so he's trying to pull them back , and so that's the effort here . Now will it work ? I think it's going to be very , very interesting to see if it works .
If it works , he'll go down as an incredible risk taker and someone who this worked for . So the overall message is we are now footing all the bill , we're spending beyond our means , and so now what we have to do is even the playing field , get more money back in here , cut spending , which we've talked about on the show before the three legs of the stool ?
Right , we've talked about that . You got to cut spending . You're going to have to get rid of waste , fraud and abuse , and you're going to have to bring in more revenue as well . Right , you're going to have to do all those things . So now there's plenty of arguments that this won't do it . Okay , there's no doubt we're not going to get into that today .
You know , do you really need to reform a bunch of other things like entitlements ? Right , that's where most of our money is spent . We get all that , but that's not what we're getting to today . I want you just to keep walking through this with us on their logic .
And so what Trump's trying to do here is not say that tariffs will be how we're going to support everything , but what he is saying is that there's going to need to be more of a balance . Take some of the weight off the working person's shoulder and then give it to countries who have access to the best economy in the world .
Right . And then he's just basically saying , hey , we're going to rebuild here in America , and I liked this little clip today too that he just talked about like what's the goal here ? The goal is to bring us back , make America wealthy again is the way he frames it . So take a listen to this one .
Stay on . We're not going to let anyone tell us that American workers and families cannot have the future that they deserve . We're going to produce the cars and ships , chips , airplanes , minerals and medicines that we need right here in America . The pharmaceutical companies are going to become roaring back . They're coming , roaring back .
They're all coming back to our country because if they don't , they got a big tax to pay , and if they do , I'll be very happy and you're going to be very happy and you're going to be very safe . We're going to build our future with American hands , with American heart , american steel , and we're going to build it with American pride , like we used to .
That just shows you how the parties have changed . That could have come right out of the Democratic playbook 20 years ago , right out of their playbook the working person's appeal . And so again , those jobs aren't coming back without financial incentive to do so .
It's just a fact , yeah , and so you can't get more manufacturing back here unless you make it financially profitable , financially feasible , to do it financially feasible , or the the tax on you is so high .
Well , that's what I mean .
That's what I mean Like you know , if you're a Toyota , for example , and you see this but Toyota is crazy , so wait , I'll have you do this other one yeah , go ahead do that , and then we'll talk about the Toyota .
Okay , so this one actually explains that , that he says that there's a lot of companies that have already committed in this last two months of bringing back manufacturing jobs and businesses here to the US . So here's just a quick snippet of some of the companies that have already committed what he says are billions of dollars .
Apple is going to spend $500 billion . They never spent money like that here . They're going to build their plants here . Softbank , openai and Oracle great , great companies are investing $500 billion almost immediately . Nvidia , a hot company , is investing hundreds of billions of dollars .
They just announced TSMC , the biggest , most important company in the world of chips from Taiwan , with no investment from us , is investing 200 billion . And they said the reason was number one , the election of November 5th , and number two , the tariffs . They don't want to pay the tariffs and the way they're not paying it is to build their plan here .
So we're going to go from almost no percentage . We used to have 100 percent of the chip market . Now it's all in Taiwan . Almost all of it's in Taiwan , a couple of other countries , but mostly in Taiwan . And think of it . We had 100 percent . We lost it because of people in that office .
I liked that only because it explains a little bit again about , like , how things are actually been working , you know the last several decades and why does there need to be some change .
And think about the logic of this . We are the biggest consumer in the world , right , to be some change to that . And think about the logic of this . We are the biggest consumer in the world , right ?
So , in other words , to be able to get access to this market , saying , to some degree , build it here and again , it's not everybody won't , everybody won't do it , but but a lot of those people will and a lot of those countries will , because they want access to the biggest piggy bank in the world . How does this not make sense ?
Right , it makes a ton of sense . Now , I don't know if it's going to work . Again , I don't know if it's going to work , but it makes a ton of sense . And if you think about how far in debt we truly are , we we have to do this , or if we don't do it now , we're headed over a cliff from Walmart .
But there is going to be some adjustment in this process . There has to be .
Well , and talk a little bit about beginning of the speech , cause we kind of talked , chatted a little bit about it . We don't have a clip on it , but when he was talking about just how expensive things are or the tariffs that , like Japan or the Euro market does on any , like car , like they , will .
Well , a car thing was fascinating to me , like , if you look at , toyota is a great example . Toyota sells a million cars in the United States with virtually no tariff barrier . Go to Japan , try to buy an American car . You can't , you can't , they don't allow it , right . And so it's like , well , wait a minute , what are we doing ?
You don't have a right to this market , you don't have a right to just shred us . And so , as a country , it's happened time after time . Now the question is , when you reorient things like this and you go to Japan and you say , hey , ok , you know what . You're going to have to pay 25 percent tariffs .
Or , in Japan's case , my guess is you're going to see more factories built in this country . From Toyota case , my guess is you're going to see more factories built in this country from Toyota , right , that's what you're going to see . And you go to Michigan , there are plenty of factories that are either empty or running under capacity .
Yeah , he had a lot of the auto workers there today .
He did the thing and they were very , because now we're the party of the auto worker the party of the union .
It's crazy . It's crazy , totally flipped on its head from like eighties and nineties especially . You know it's really reversed , it's so , it's so different .
And , by the way , you make the point on the jobs coming back , ava , let's go to clip number 11 . And I just grabbed this one thing and it's a small little graph and it is by no means definitive and I don't want to give you the impression that it is , but this is a graph that tracks the manufacturing jobs returning to the United States .
So if , if we go in tight to the left side of the graph here , let's go back and you can go back way back , let's see if we go yeah , there , we go OK , so we go back from 2020 and then move our way across here , and we saw a pretty , pretty good valley . Keep going to the right .
You see a pretty good valley of those jobs losing manufacturing jobs from basically 2022 through 2023 , early 2024 as well . But watch what's happened here over the past two months .
You said two months yeah .
Two months , all of a sudden you see an uptick in jobs returning . Now am I telling you that this is the beginning of some massive renaissance ? I can't say that yet , but it does back up his point .
That's where he's getting this from saying he's saying that he's added 10,000 manufacturing jobs in two months , which is a lot , you know that . Is it going to be the saving thing , the saving grace ? I don't know .
Not enough , not yet , but the question that becomes obvious , I think , to a lot of folks are are you going to find Americans that are willing to work 15 , 16 hour days ? Um , why ?
would you have to work 15 , 16 hour days ? Um like , why would you have to work 15, ?
16 ? Okay . So this is the argument that's out there right In the world today on Twitter . Right Is is okay , the Apple's going to set up a manufacturing plant here .
Where they're set up in foreign countries , folks are willing to go in there and work 16 hour days , sure , so they can manufacture more right At a cheaper cost and a cheaper labor pricing right here Will those same people . You know it's people won't work as hard here in those jobs . It's not working hard .
That's called slave labor , and so here's why you have a tariff . That's exactly why you have a tariff , because right now , there's an unequal playing field . You have people in certain countries that have a very low standard of living , that are forced to work 15 , 16 hour days and , by the way , apple taking advantage of that .
Yeah , I don't know if they do or they don't , I don't know , but the point being , you bring those jobs back here . Okay , that's why you avoid that tariff . If not , you're going to pay that tariff , because we're not going to compete on a level playing field like this . This is not level at all .
You have your , your , your $5 an hour person working 15 hours a day , and we have somebody that's paid a living wage working eight hours a day , as we should , okay . So that's part of the case for tariffs , which is you have to create that more level playing field . We didn't do it .
Our free traders came in , which I get it , I get the free trade , thought I did . I understood it at the time Let people trade freely , but we weren't trading freely . We weren't , we didn't have access to their market . They told us we did , but we didn't . Right , and so , therefore , the jobs went away . They went to other countries because of what exactly ?
What you just said . And we did not penalize them for sending their products back in . And if we're going to do that , then penalize them for sending their products back in . Products back in . And if we're going to do that , then penalize them for sending their products back in .
We'll take a boatload of money from them if they want the access to our markets for the cheaper product , and then , of course , the price of that product does go up . You're right , it will . It will go up , but it creates a more level playing field and it returns jobs back here .
So big companies like Toyota are going to bring jobs back here , and so this is this is reorienting the whole economy again and taking those towns and we even see them in New Mexico , where we used to have manufacturing facilities of all kinds that are gone . They're gone .
Go to Ohio , go to Michigan , and you see empty factories and people scraping three different jobs to get by because we ship the jobs overseas . This is a very interesting place to be . The question is , will the country be patient enough for Trump to let this play out and reorient the economy ?
I don't know the answer to that question , but I think it's an interesting battle . And then when you start looking at how this stuff breaks down , Well , explain these tariffs , these reciprocal tariffs , a little bit yeah . So the announcement today was reciprocal tariffs , which is , we are going to basically match your tariffs , ok , whatever country you're in .
So , ava , let's go in tight on this . You can actually see it , they're discounted .
He's saying I'm going to discount .
Right . So let's just give you an idea . So what this shows is China for the most part . Here , they tariff our goods at about 67% by the time again , this is what we're talking about by the time you do tariff and you do any value added taxes , you do any extra hoops that you make United States companies run through 67% .
So Trump says , all right , we're going to , we're going to cut that in half . We're not , we're not trying to match evenly , we'll go half . So you just start looking at all this . The European union roughly , they charge us 39% . Okay , okay , cool , we'll charge you 20 . So you go all the way down the list . Taiwan 64% .
By the way , this is amazing in all these countries when you think about it . Right , taiwan , we supply with weapons so that they're not a nation state of China already , right , we do all that . However , taiwan 64% . That's why Taiwan's got a chip factory coming here , right ? Because then none of these tariffs apply if you come here and make it right .
So you keep on going . Japan , our good friends in Japan 46% .
Don't forget Vietnam at 90% , Our guys at Vietnam . What's going on with Vietnam ?
And by the way , there's a lot of products that we get to come into this country from Vietnam , a lot , right , okay , 46% , so you just go down here . Thailand 72'll go 36 . So again , switzerland great country , I don't really know . Chocolate , chocolate may go up . Uh , 61 switzerland , we're going to charge you 31 so you can keep on going down .
The united kingdom is not a . You know they're pretty legitimate . They're at 10 , so we're just match your 10 . South africa 60 , we'll go 30 . So anyway , if you can go to the next slide all together here and so the . So what the white house did was put all this stuff out again . This 60% . South Africa 60% , we'll go 30 .
So , anyway , ava , you can go to the next slide altogether here , and so what the White House did was put all this stuff out Again . This is the first time they're really making this case . Let's go tighter , ava . This is the first time they're really making this case to say , okay , this is why we're doing what we're doing .
Peru really doesn't do much , so we won't do much to them . Nicaragua will be half of what they do . Costa Rica is pretty low , so we'll be at 10% . Why Costa Rica hits us for 17% ? You keep on going down . Jordan uh , they're 40% , so you can get . You get the idea right . I mean Myanmar , uh , formerly Burma they go 88% .
On us Uh , it's a pretty rough place to live , by the way . Uh , we'll go 44 , uh for them . So you can see all these things . So the logic is this we'll do half of what you're doing to us , okay , so so that's where this all goes and we'll see .
But , but I just want to wrap this portion of it with the thought process is this you throw those numbers out there . Okay , the other countries will do one of two things that they're not going to go and Jack their numbers way up , even higher . They can , if they want to , if they want to be eliminated from the largest market in the world .
They can do that . Or what they're more likely to do is to come back and say , okay , hold on , can we reach another deal ? And then there may be some individual deals reached , but I'm not sure they're going to be in this particular case , cause the logic . Again , this ties into Doge , which you're going to get to in just a second .
But the point being here is , if you're going to come into this country with goods , one of two things is going to happen you either build them here and you have free access to this country , or you're going to bring them in and we're going to tariff them at half the rate you tariff us , and so in doing that , we're going to bring more jobs back .
I do believe that the question is how much do prices go up ? Is the economy too fragile for this , and do we have too much debt to do it ? All that stuff needs to be answered , because we have to deal with these things . That's all get to your Doge thing here in a second . So those are the things that are hanging in the air that we don't know yet .
Right , and Doge is part of this right , which you'll talk about . But so that's kind of the the way this all works . And in the people against it politically , which we'll get to in a second as well , their , their , their fear mongering is out now . Now it's everything's . Everything's going to be out of control price-wise .
We should continue to be hollowed out as a country and go bankrupt Just so we can go to Walmart . Right , right and just . And your drugs , they're going to be made in China , so that's just the way it goes , sorry . So this is a reorienting of that and I don't know if it works .
Yeah , it's really a shift of the whole world economy .
I mean , really , when you look at what he's trying to do , is he'll either go down as , like , the celebrated force of like really having the vision of how to reset the world's economy and how to re , you know , help America get back to its former self , basically , or this will be a complete and utter disaster .
So it's going to be one way or the other , and that's why 26 could be a disaster .
Right In the 26 election could be a disaster , and we'll get to those election numbers real quickly . We'll move a little more quickly from here on out . But but the point being like the , in the short term , the next year or two could be really rough for Trump and then , as you start seeing jobs come back , come back , come back .
If that truly happens , if he's right , right . How often have we been told Trump's crazy , he's wrong , and then all of a sudden , he wasn't wrong , right . Even the first time he put the tariffs on China , they were screaming . This was a terrible idea .
And then they didn't remove the tariffs when Biden came in Cause it worked . Yeah , and even .
China , and he says this during the speech date . I encourage you to go watch this thing . Just watch it in its entirety and just listen to it . It'll take an hour . Yeah , it's worth it , cause it's your country and it's your economy . Yeah , Right .
So you got to understand what the guy's thinking and don't go to you know a legacy media outlet and be like well , they told me that this isn't going to work . Don't go to MSNBC and listen to the garbage , or even Fox or even anybody that's , that's going to determine how legitimate you think this is .
Don't go to them yeah .
Just listen to it and I I just thought it was fascinating , because I don't know that much about tariffs and how it works , and this was just a fascinating case that he made . Now again , there's plenty of cases
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against it . One is that our entitlements truly drive the debt the debt . So therefore this is not touching that , so it's not likely to make a huge difference . But I think the longer term play here and this is why I think Trump , politically , is in some peril , because this is a long-term play , this is a long-term . We need more jobs back here .
Here's how we're going to do it . And it's somebody finally executing on something they campaigned on and said here we go . How many of these phonies that are out there criticizing him never would do any of this , either because they don't believe in it , or they don't have the idea to do it , or they can't possibly execute it Right .
So possibly execute it Right .
So all of that is is it be worried too much about what they look like politically to do something this risky right ?
Right , no . What does this do for us ? What does ?
this make me look like . Is this going to impact my future ? Okay , let's okay .
Remember , but you're still right now . Everything he's doing , he's the , he's the . He's fighting for the working person that comes through in this .
It does . It comes back that he wants to make America wealthy again . I mean he really does .
I don't even care about the slogan . Right , it's the autoworker who's like , let me get up there and talk about how great this is . You know , that's the sort of thing . That blue collar voter who now is going to be the core of the Trump movement it's not necessarily the core of the Republican movement .
There are plenty of Republicans who are pissed about this . Oh , I know You'll hear about him , okay . Another thing that I thought was definitely worth your time to watch if you haven't watched it yet . It is this Brett Baer interview with the principal players of Doge . Okay , he did it on Fox News , google Fox News interview with Doge , and you will find it .
It's about 40 minutes long , completely fascinating . I listened to it twice . There's parts that are so riveting , and so I pulled a few of those clips , because I think it goes without saying that there's so many headlines out there about jobs being cut .
Our state's going to run amok , we're not going to have any money for the health industry anymore , and what if we hit another pandemic ? We're not going to have the research that we need to have . Vaccines are going to go away . Like all this energy is being sent into these crazy fear mongering .
It's political fear mongering , yes , and so I wanted to pull some clips so you actually can hear what they found out . They're trying to be as transparent as possible . So this first one is really just Elon talking directly about what the goal is and how they're cutting the waste and the fraud and the abuse . So let's take a listen to this .
To reduce the deficit by a trillion dollars . So from a nominal deficit of $2 trillion to try to cut the deficit in half to $1 trillion . Or , looked at in total federal spending , to drop the federal spending from $7 trillion to $6 trillion , so sort of at a high level .
You should think of this as we want to reduce the spending by eliminating waste and fraud , reduce the spending by 15 percent , which seems really quite achievable . The government is not efficient and there's a lot of waste and fraud , so we feel confident that a 15 percent reduction can be done without affecting any of the critical government services .
Yeah , ok , so that's just the beginning of that . Now , this is kind of what I found interesting . I got into this discussion with some of my students at school about NIH and the HHS cuts , ok . So it really kind of spiked a look to me of saying , okay , let's find out what we can , what we can see out there .
So you go to the Santa Fe New Mexican right now , okay , and you look at this headline and it says New Mexico joins lawsuit against termination of federal public health grants .
And if you pull a couple of these quotes here , it says New Mexico has joined a coalition of 23 states and the district of Columbia in a lawsuit against the US Department of Health and Human Services and Secretary Robert F Kennedy Jr over the abrupt termination of nearly $11 billion in public health grants .
And then the quote is cuts to HHS will have a devastating impact on our state , slashing critical funding for infectious disease research and response . Okay .
And then if you move on a little bit , it goes on to talk about the lawsuit being here and it's you know they're worried it's going to basically end essential support for a wide range of urgent public health needs , okay .
So you read that and you're thinking , okay , geez , this sounds pretty drastic that we're going to , you know , lose vital funds nationally and here in this in the state of New Mexico . And what does this actually boil down to ?
Well , I started doing a little bit more research and finding out that some of those cuts are directly they were funding directly funneled into several states during the pandemic and now that pandemic has wrapped , and so they're saying listen , we can pull back some of those funds because they're not needed anymore .
And so they're not saying the pandemic didn't happen , which is what some of the media is saying that the Republicans are saying they didn't say that . They're just saying it's not happening now .
You mean we don't need to keep spending levels at unbelievably and unsustainably high levels . We can't do that in perpetuity , because that's what they do . Remember , they call less of an increase a cut .
Oh , I know which is crazy . So this is ridiculous . Okay , and then okay . So here's the other point of that article is they talk specifically about grants being cut . Okay , grants .
Now listen to this clip from this Fox interview where this gentleman who's working specifically on the HHS cuts specifically and what that has to do with the grant funding and why they're realigning that money .
Care and Medicaid NIH what are you finding ?
Yeah , well , I'd say there's a couple of things we're really committed to in our work at HHS Number one , making sure we continue to have the best biomedical research in the world . And number two , making sure which President Trump has said over and over again that we 100 percent protect Medicare and Medicaid . But there's a lot of opportunity .
So if I take NIH as an example today , if you're an NIH researcher and you get a $100 grant at your university today , you get to spend 60 of that and your university spends 40 of that . The policy that we're proposing to make is that you get to spend 85 of that and your university spends 15 .
So that's more money going directly to the scientists who are discovering new cures .
So again it's . It's like hey , yeah , we're going to cut some of the grants back that schools are getting right , that's kind of the point of that .
So it would be . It's a political point , that is , that is a hiding the ball and saying , yeah , the money is being cut to schools , being increased to the people actually doing the research , yeah , and so it's like if you could just explain that to people .
Another thing that I thought was interesting I didn't cut the clip for this one , um , but I'll say really briefly on this that he talks specifically about HHS .
They have 40 communication offices and they said it's just a waste , like it's not that these people are doing bad jobs or anything , it's just that they don't know that these people over here are talking to these people over here . It's doubling efforts that don't need to be doubled .
So some of those jobs in HHS specifically are being trimmed back because you have the same people doing the job multiple times . It doesn't need to be happening .
Well , what's happened here is government explosion in total dollars spent and staffing with zero accountability and we're so far into debt . This is just like someone in your own home going being just not . It's like a child of yours being not accountable at all .
They run up a hundred thousand dollars in credit card debt and then when you say we have to pull this back and get this under control we can still meet the needs , but yet you don't need to be spending this kind of money Then it's like how could you ?
And and again , this is a fat government bloat that is pushing back , and if it Doge continues to do this work , they need to do this in a way where they have as much of a PR fight as possible , because when they come out and talk like they did , they're very effective . It's when you don't talk and you just work that you have a problem .
This is a political fight as well as a structural fight in government . Okay , so you have to fight the political fight while you're fighting the structural fight .
So you're saying don't come out with a chainsaw at the very beginning . Maybe you could have just done the sit down . There's no question and you could have managed this better , but I did add this clip because I thought this was pretty interesting as well . We hear all the time , especially even from our state leaders .
There's all these cuts to staffing and massive firings , and federal people are getting fired left and right . Listen to what this gentleman says about exactly what they're doing when it comes to government jobs .
There's a very heavy focus on being generous , being caring , being compassionate and treating everyone with dignity and respect . And if you look at how people have started to leave the government , it is largely through voluntary means . There's voluntary early retirement , there's voluntary separation payments .
We put in place deferred resignation , the eight-month severance program . So there's a very heavy bias towards programs that are long-dated , that are generous , that allow people to exit and go and get a new job in the private sector . And you've heard a lot of news about RIFs , about people getting fired .
At this moment in time , less than 0.15 , not 1.5 , less than 0.15 of the federal workforce has actually been givena RIF notice .
So they've selected if they're it is basically almost no one's gotten fired . That's what we're saying .
Tom , I thought that was interesting and again I like kind of just the explanation .
Right , and you mentioned it . The contrast to that and the chainsaw no , that's where you go . This is a political battle . Stop doing the go in front of your Republican friends and go . You know I get it . I understand the desire to do that . Musk has been attacked like no other , so I'm sure at times he just kind of lets it rip .
I totally understand that . But I will also tell you if I've got to have someone looking over our government trying to turn it into something more efficient and more effective , there is to listen to these politicians , go , rip into him . It would . It's ridiculous . It'd be like me going up to Einstein and being like let me just learn you a few things .
You know what I mean . Like , what are you talking about ? It's just , it's crazy . And I do want to say one thing about the very first clip you had . You brought up something that we can put a bow on this whole thing . One of the things he mentioned was trying to save a trillion dollars a year , right , by cutting out waste , fraud and abuse .
Okay , so what he's really talking about there is we run about a $2 trillion deficit every year .
So what he's basically , with their back of the napkin , trying to do here is say , let's get half our savings from waste , fraud and abuse and then let's get half of the other trillion dollars by most likely here , tariff money and potentially cutting out things that we don't need to do anymore to get us to the point where we're even on the budget , meaning a
balanced budget . That's what we've got to go with . We can't keep adding to the point where we're even on the budget , meaning a balanced budget . That's what we've got to go with . We can't keep adding to the $36 trillion debt . Remember , there are two different things here .
National debt is $36 trillion that's total of what you owe on the credit card right , but every year we're down $2 trillion , so we're adding $2 trillion each time .
So what they're trying to do basically in a broad sense , is take that $2 trillion and wipe half of it out with waste , fraud and abuse and the other half of it with tariffs and some other things .
Returning jobs , expanding the pie right , because if you bring more jobs back , what happens to tax revenue Goes up right , and so that's the idea behind this , and the idea is also re-support the middle class , bring back those higher paying jobs so that all of them aren't outsourced to other countries thanks to imbalance and trade .
Well , and I think the thing that people really need to understand when they're talking about Doge and it's very transparent . You can go to the Doge website and see exactly what they're cutting . And they brought up some interesting points , and a quick one is we're paying almost a billion dollars for a survey for national parks that goes to nowhere .
So it's basically like a monkey a survey monkey program that does ask 10 questions and then those results went nowhere . And we spent almost a billion dollars on that and they have been working with I would have done that for a hundred million . So they're working with the department of interior to eliminate that .
So I think again , if people really can see where the waste is , then it's hard to argue against like okay , well , maybe that didn't make you know . Like good luck arguing against what the waste that they're actually finding .
Because there's this myth that Doge is going in , they're firing everybody , they're the ones that are cut all these programs , they're taking everybody's money away . That's actually what's not happening .
This is why it's a terrible mistake on the left to do this , because if it's not , what's not happening ? This is why it's a terrible mistake on the left to do this , because if it's not what's happening , people look around and they go . They generally agree with the policy , right , even Doge , they generally agree with it .
And so what happens here long-term is , if you can execute it politically in a way that is compassionate , well thought out and cautious , right , you will win this fight . But the problem is , at times they haven't always done that right .
From the beginning they kind of got too spicy .
It got too spicy right .
And now we're blowing up Tesla's for it .
You know Well no well , look , that's on that side and they can do what they can do . But my , my point is on this thing if you handle it the right way and you saw it you saw the adjustment right . You saw the adjustment in Musk , you saw the adjustment in the gentleman who spoke on that last soundbite .
Every time they're talking about things and this is political one-on-one when they ask you , you know are you going to ? You know you're saving money on whatever , a friendly question , whatever it is , you're you're cutting waste , fraud , abuse . Yes , we are .
But but remember one thing we're not going to cut social security , we're not going to cut Medicaid and we're not going to cut Medicare . You know that every time , like , that's your right now , the big argument here , the the in the legitimate argument is those are the drivers of the debt .
So if we don't restructure those not saying you cut them , but you may have to figure out a different way to to distribute the money , I don't know We'll just have to wait and see .
It's actually interesting to listen to that interview , that whole interview . He does talk . They talk specifically about that , especially when it comes to Social Security , and he said we literally are paying 20 million people that are not legit Social Security . He's like that's just one example of fraud that's happening in Social Security and Elon actually goes .
I want you to quote me on this , because you can pull this back and aim this camera at me and basically I will hold to this that not only will I eliminate waste , fraud and abuse in social security , I will not touch your benefits . I will make you have , I'll allow you to have make more money in social security than you've ever made before .
And he goes and you can hold me to that .
I I will be held accountable for that . That's a great way to go .
Well , okay , so I mean . So let's let him do it Right , instead of saying they're going to cut our social security benefits , it's not going to exist .
Well , no , no , no , I mean , and again they will come out looking stupid if they keep doing this , and and the approach works . But this is an incredible reorientation of everything .
So he does say and the last thing I'll say on this is he he said really what we are . We're it experts Like that's what we're doing here , and all of these are antiquated computer programs that our government's running on . Yeah , that's what we're doing here , and all of these are antiquated computer programs that our government's running on .
Yeah .
That's what we're doing . We're not coming in and trying to like hack away all government programs . We're saying , listen , let's get updated and let's see what is so antiquated that we're wasting money .
That way , it's such a much better place to be than being the side who's saying , no , just leave it the way it is , you know , because that doesn't work . It does not work . Okay , We've got to move quickly on this stuff . We've gone way over . Just , you've been , you've been way well . I love these subjects today .
These are really hot topics .
Okay , a quick fallout from the RPNM firebombing . Okay , a couple of things we talked about in the last show than just the actual fireb . Denounce this stuff .
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All of them did , and Heinrich gave this statement right here . He basically said there's absolutely no place for political violence in our democracy , at any level , and whoever did this must be held accountable . Well , I'm glad to hear no one was injured . I strongly condemn what happened . This is not how we should treat one another .
The thing I liked about that and again , I'm no big fan , clearly , but he didn't try to do some equivocation , didn't try to add some other thing in there . Like the democratic party of New Mexico regularly does this , they've done it again on this particular issue .
They go back and forth and try to add equipment .
And again , party hacks are party hacks for our Senator . This is you know . You say the right statement . Now , there's plenty of stuff that he ramps up rhetoric to a ridiculous degree , but you know this was not one of those moments .
Ledger Fernandez had her comments oh my goodness . Ok , so this is her second comment . Ok , this is her first comment after the firebomb . Ok , so she says political violence is unacceptable , including the arson attack on the New Mexico GOP headquarters . The perpetrators must be held accountable .
Every American should be able to freely and safely participate in our democracy . At my town hall yesterday I spoke about quote love in action , about the importance of showing respect and listening . That is what we need right now . Now , love in action is not what I heard , so we want to play the clip for you and then you guys can decide .
What do you hear her say ? Because I don't hear anything about love in action . People keep asking about me what do we do ?
What are you doing ? What more can you do ? And we have a three-pronged project Legislate , litigate , agitate and you guys are part of the agitate part .
Okay . So I'm not sure what agitate , how that has anything to do with love and action . That was literally mere moments before this firebomb happens . Now , obviously I'm not saying I can't correlate that to her , nor would we say that , but comments like this just aren't helpful .
And then to come back out and be like hey , I try to change the course of what you said , it feels inauthentic , that's so generous .
It's very generous Well right , and I think the thing that is the most galling about the statement is the fact that she tried to turn back to an event where she recommends agitating and says it was all about love . Look , I get it . As far as politics goes , I'm not very sensitive about this stuff .
I tend to look at that stuff and look , people use language in politics all the time that can be based around battle . Right , it's just , it's one of those things We've got to fight . We've got we're going to war over this , so this stuff happens . I don't get too sensitive about this stuff .
But you . But obviously , though , babe , keep in mind that , like she's saying this , when people are literally punching each other in the face , that are driving .
That's a fair point . Blowing up no , you're exactly right on that point .
She could have lowered the rhetoric and said listen , you know why you guys may want to protest certain things . Let's keep violence out of it and let's not light things on fire and let's not be punching people in the face and vandalizing cars .
No , no , no , Don't get me wrong , Her approach is so you ?
don't During the middle of all of this .
Okay , okay , maybe you're right , you're right , I'm not , I'm not definitely right on this one . Okay , the agitate ? Okay , all right , but I'm sorry , like she , I don't know . Okay , I'll give you that , you're fine , I'll give you that I you're , you're , you're right on the word agitate , is you're right ? That's , I mean , that's , I agree .
It's like a tacit thing of like hey , if you happen to be in a , you know , in a Walmart parking lot and you see a Tesla driver , you should flip them off . Is that agitating ? I don't know what's agitating , you know , is agitating walking by someone's car with a key and shrink right ? Is that agitating ? Yeah , you could make that case .
I totally understand your point . I just think some of this stuff is . I think that people are responsible for what they do . I agree , I don't like what she said . I think she's she's largely is somebody who will take the lowest possible road in the easiest possible road , because why she never has to be accountable .
Teresa Ledger Fernandez will never run a close race in her life , and because she won't run a close race in her life , she'll never actually get good enough to be good at the job , which is a bummer .
I mean , I really think that's true .
I just think she's a non-factor to me . I listened to her and I watch what she does and I and I just roll my eyes and move on because I don't think she's . She's somebody who , absolutely , to me , is a non-factor and that is the worst thing possible for the state , but that's what she is .
Well , I hope that . I really hope that we , when we didn't talk about this during the on the firebombing on our last episode .
I hope there's cameras or some sort of video evidence of anything that comes out of all this too , because I do think I love the fact that we have state leaders that say , yes , we should have held these people accountable , but then nothing happens , right .
So that also is like okay , you can say what you want on a tweet , but let's mayor Keller and our governor and whoever else should be putting anything behind it , to actually really find what happened here and arrest those people that are responsible .
So great . Okay , let's go on to the quick , real quick the elections in Florida . We're not going to talk about the Wisconsin thing , the judge thing in Wisconsin . It was what it was . I Wisconsin is a is a blue state .
Okay , so I know Trump won it , but to see someone in Wisconsin a judge win , Okay Well , I think that also does show a little bit of those midterms right Like , are people going to show up ? It's not a midterm .
It's a special it's even different . I mean nobody shows up to a special . It's crazy , unless you have , like , a relative on the ballot .
So that's why it's like $81 million on that race .
I totally get it and so did the Democrats , by the way it was .
I mean , I think that was a combined right . It was crazy .
But the Florida one is more interesting , and here's why . Here are the two . Two races in Florida Patronus uh one and Fine won . They're both Republicans . Okay , in those numbers . You look at them and say , oh my gosh , the Republicans both won by almost 15 points . Okay , wow , that's not close .
No , it's not particularly close , but Trump won these districts by about 30 points . So for everyone who's like , hey , you know what midterm elections Trump's going to get four years of a Republican Congress ? No , he's not . Of a Republican Congress no , he's not . There's a much better chance than even that .
This is an indication that that , as you get to the midterms , unless things go unbelievably well , ok , you're likely to lose the House . So Trump has to realize that they've got to get tax cuts passed . They've got to get a border bill passed . I've got to get some of this stuff passed .
Maybe they don't do the border bill , because Trump rightly said I can fix that myself . Okay , that's true , but . But if you want to address those issues , you can , but but the tax cuts are going to be important to keep in place , or else every American is going to get a massive tax increase .
Okay , don't forget , 82% of Americans got a tax cut from the Trump tax cuts . Okay , most of them benefited , especially , especially the fat part of the electorate in the middle . So those things are important . Just something to think about there . That Trump's got 18 months or so that he can get something done . Because I think they're likely to lose the house .
Now they may not they're not gonna lose the Senate , but they could lose the house . And just realize these numbers , while they're strong for Republicans , this shows an erosion , right , it shows an erosion that , and again , most candidates don't outrun the president in their state . We totally understand that .
But to lose half a Trump's gap in a in a red state of Florida , just something to think about . That . Don't be surprised going forward here , cause remember , all they have to do is fight the political battle and all these little chirpies . And if the economy is struggling to reorient itself , which Trump's ? We're doing surgery here ?
If we're not back up and on the treadmill and let's say we're just walking around the house , we're getting better , but we're not there yet , you could well lose the house . So just realize that's possibly just realize that's possibly .
Yeah , I think you know , obviously with trump not on the ballot in states where it's a trump backed candidate , it it sometimes doesn't help you nearly as much as when he's actually on the ballot , you know yeah , no , and you're right , and that's more about the reorientation of the electorate too so okay , and then the talk of a third term okay , what in the
world ? I mean , this just seems kind of bizarre well , it's stupid to me , okay , so it was , I think he was , is he no ?
he's not , he's not , he's not . I'll tell you what I went . Well , okay , to some degree , I think he is .
I think I think he thinks , if I say this , he knows that mainstream media was gonna be like oh my gosh , he's once again . He's gonna try the dictator ?
yeah , the dictator's coming out and like I don't know .
so here's once again . He's going to try to dictator , yeah , dictators coming out , and dah dah , dah , dah dah . Like I don't know .
So here's an article from the New York times which is interesting . I don't
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read the times often , but got a little clip of this one and looked at it . I'm not going to read you the whole thing , I'm not even going to read you any of the quotes's . No support from Republicans to do this in the Senate , like it's not going to happen . It would change , you'd have to change the constitution . You can't do it .
Okay , it's not going to happen . But why would Trump even do this ? Right ? Part of the reason is and part of the reason they think he's doing this is because , as a second term president basically right he doesn't want to be a lame duck too quickly .
So he wants to lord over the Republican majority and say , especially right now because remember you've already had senators Rand to pass tax cuts , things like that , and then make sure you stay in line on this stuff . And he's floating this so that they keep in line to the point where what if we had to deal with this guy for another four years ?
Oh my gosh , you know . So I don't think it's a smart play . I don't think it fools anybody . I think it fuels a lot of dictator talk that doesn't need to be fueled , and I don't like it in any way , shape or form . I just don't think it's smart yeah .
Okay , not one of his best moves , I don't think .
Okay , so I want to show you some video . Uh , we , uh , there was a story actually . Let me just show you front page of the journal . Uh , talking about the fact that we got a dry , we've had a horrific winter . I mean , the level of how bad things have been is unbelievable . I just pulled one little set of numbers . Susan Bryan did this article .
She does a really good job on a lot of the weather stuff and things like that . She works for the AP , but here's what she said . She said in New Mexico there were at least 17 sites that marked either their driest winters on record or tied previous records . Albuquerque set a new low by logging just 0.12 inches of precipitation over the three-month period .
Three-month period meaning meteorological winter , which is December , january and February . Okay , that's the way it should be done . We do it differently for sun reasons , but it should be . It's December , january , february . That's winter 0.12 . That's unbelievably bad . Northern mountains I was up there yesterday . This is what it looked like now .
So if you just look at this video , um , and it would make sure we keep the sound down , because I don't want to get like a copyright strike against us . Uh , so cause I put some music to this . But um little , you know , showers came in right and snow came in , so , but this is a classic example of what's happened this winter .
You go up there and you look at this and you're like my goodness , what a storm . I mean , look at this thing .
I'm walking through the woods , right there You're like living your best life I am living my best life . And you can see it's snowing .
You're in the mountains . I know it's fantastic .
You're videoing it and you see the wind , snow . This is good , by the way , this time of 11,000 feet where you're looking at all this stuff . Okay , I mean my gosh what you can .
Actually , you're exactly right . So I go through and there's a good example right there . That's the side of the road and angel fire up at 11,000 feet . It's crazy . So you know , this looks fine , but then this was classic more wind than snow . And then take a look at today . This is the look from 11,000 feet , and what do we get ?
Got about two inches , that's 11,000 feet . There should be four feet of snow right there and there is not . This is a nightmare for us . It's an absolute and total nightmare .
Okay , hoping , not hoping we do not have the wildfire . I think , I think the winds that we had , like yesterday , these super high winds that are blowing like . I mean I'm watching video of Albuquerque people sending video in of just crazy like outhouses blowing down the street .
It's terrible .
Crazy land out there .
You know you're right and I think it's a real concern . I think we have to shut down our forest . I don't think they should be open at all starting now until we get through fire season . We're going to have more details on this . We're shooting currently a television show in the Northern mountains .
We're going to have more on that coming up and we're going to discuss a lot of this different stuff and it's a national show we'll be doing , but we'll have more details on that coming up with . One other thing I want to end with .
Okay .
The last thing . I just saw this on Twitter and this so reminded me of being a kid and I had it's 33 ava . Uh , I had a big wheel yeah okay , let me tell you something about this .
I rode that thing like I was getting paid for it , okay , and that what happened with the big wheel is you ride it and write the new big wheel was so smooth , right you're . When you got a new one over time , you know you're on the pavement , right the front wheel splits because they're plastic .
They're plastic yeah but I loved it , it didn't matter , right , and so I .
So I get one and I'd ride the wheels off that thing and then joan and sal would be like all right , new big wheel I thought you a new one oh yeah , I probably had three big wheels back to back , to back you were a lucky kid because in my little cul-de-sac I grew up in a cul-de-sac , which is what every cool kid wanted back in the day , right especially
in the 80s , to grow up in a cul-de-sac . My neighbor who was my age he had the bat , like the batman version of the big wheel that had like a shifting gear I'll see that's high tech he was super . I mean , we didn't have that . I didn't get that right ?
no , I mean , look , this was 1499 , my brother had the same one that you had Right and so that's what , and I didn't even get one . I had a trike , I got a little right , but I mean this is , if I if the neighbor was nice enough to me , I could sit in the bat one , the Batman one , and he had like shifting gears .
Yeah . If I go back to that thing , 1499 , cause you'd always wear out the front wheel before the backs . The backs never wore out , but you'd split the front wheel and when I'd come in I'd be thrilled Cause I'd be like mom for a wheel split what are we ?
what are we going to ?
do and I'd be like , okay , all right , talk to your father . And then you know , then he'd come like a skid where he like would I do this and it would spin it . Oh , absolutely yeah , that's the , that's the perfect range .
Yeah , that was his whole thing .
Yeah , because , like you know early on , there's too much plastic so you couldn't do the slide . Yeah , you got the thing into that perfect range . You could do that for about a month .
Yeah , and then all of a sudden you pop the front tire . It is like the best vert , like that's the best memory of , like summers in the seventies and eighties growing up in in the neighborhood , outside with the street , you could stay out to the street . Light turned on and then you had to go back to the side . It was great .
I wouldn't . I wish Ava and Ella grew up in the eighties .
Me too . It was the best time to be a kid in all other than the kidnappings , but that was a freaky time of the eighties , but other than that it was great .
No , I , yeah , agreed I managed to avoid any kidnappings , but I know , I know they happened . I know , I know , I know that they happened Right .
Guys , I was reading about this today . It was actually not as common for kidnappings to happen in the 1980s as people think . Really they weren't at an elevated . There wasn't an elevated amount of kidnappings in the 1970s Fake news .
It's called the missing children panic of the 1980s and it actually is just a misrepresentation by mainstream media to show that there were more kidnappings than there actually were .
Okay , okay , okay , wait just one second . I know we need to wrap up this show , but here's the thing . Okay , it was not all bunk . Because , number one , they started the missing and exploited children hotline in the 80s because of Adam disappearing , right , right , that TV movie that terrified me forever and I never wanted to go to a shopping mall ever again .
And then , secondly , I'm sorry , missing kids . Constantly . Every time you got a thing , a new thing of milk , there's a new kid on there that's missing but kids were always going missing . They just weren't putting them on milk cartons .
Yeah , Okay , well , whatever , I'm just saying it was my biggest fear as a kid growing up Ava thanks for uh , but Ava , thank you for being our kidnapping correspondent .
Yeah , okay , no , it's good . Ava's a live with kidnapping update .
Uh , okay
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