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We anchored or Mike anchored I just showed up and did the weather on the morning show and so Mike's been a friend for years and obviously we have Mike on regularly . I go on victory news with him , but we did the whole show . Yeah , mike gets in his truck and is halfway back to Dallas halfway halfway .
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I don't know . It says it is Ava . You feel like the audio is recording right now .
Emotionally , I would say I'm in tune with the audio that is going through the computer .
It does look like it's working . I don't know .
We have a spiritual connection me and this software Okay .
You know , frank Sinatra used to say I'm only doing one take . Yeah it's true , but we're doing two , but we're doing two , we're doing two . Thanks for coming back .
We appreciate it . Okay let's jump in then , like we got some comments yeah yeah .
Before comments if you want to give a kind of a quick , Well , we're going to do a deep dive on the media's effort to create as many stories as possible around trying to either shrink the government or get rid of waste , fraud and abuse .
And the media is looking everywhere to be like , how can we stop this Along with some people in the political world as well . So those two combined and again it's just a mistake to approach it this way . But you wouldn't believe some of what's happening in this state especially .
But then we'll look at it nationally and go through all that stuff and then some other stories that are interesting . But we're going to start local with that .
We'll start some local and then we also just have something we want to share personally at the very end of our show that we just found out about . So we want to share that at the end of the show . So please stay tuned for the very end as well . But okay , let's start with some comments .
The first one came in from Gerilyn and she says Mark was on point regarding government workers can now replenish the private sector workforce .
Right , well , no , and I think it's something we talk about all the time , and that is that in Mike , I know you've looked at some of these numbers too , but when you employ someone for a government job , you have to tax the taxpayers to pay for that job , like and so now is there an economic benefit ?
Yeah , they pay taxes and everything else , but is economic benefit greater when they're employed in the private sector ?
I think you could easily make the case that that answer is yes , and there are a lot of really smart economic people who are like hey , this will help down the road because you're going to have a lot more employees that are in the private sector , meaning you don't have to publicly fund them . Correct , so we don't have to be taxed to fund them .
And then they still pay the same amount into the system . So that could be a very real positive that we , we run into business after business , wherever you go , they don't have enough employees and the government payroll has been exploding .
So if you bring that down and move them into the private sector , you're going to see an economic benefit to that , not saying it's not going to come with some pain and some uncertainty . It will , yeah , yeah .
And if you look at the numbers and I don't have them all in front of me right now but if you look at the Biden administration and what they did to expand the executive branch , in terms of the number of federal employees and the pay annual pay of federal employees- you're going to be shocked , I believe yeah .
And that's kind of what we're starting to go for here . Now , when you try to do that , are you going to get ? Is the system going to go ? Would say that we use those savings to upgrade our defense Defenses , are radar systems at airports and install the Iron Dome defense system around our country .
Well , you know , you can look at a couple different ways . First of all , it'd be really nice to get $5,000 , especially given what we've been putting up with inflation-wise . I mean you're trying to buy a house , trying to put a down payment , the mortgage rates are out of control .
I mean you're paying basically almost double what you were paying four or five years ago . So the $5,000 would be nice . But at the same time , when you look at this country and you say we're $36 , $37 trillion in debt , we need to deal with that . We need to deal with that now . Yeah .
I would agree . I think you have to go after what's happening here with the debt and the deficit , because if you don't , it's just going to keep swallowing up your budget . Remember , we have to not only deal with our yearly deficits here , we have to refinance $10 trillion in debt within six months .
We don't have the money for that right now because your interest rate , to your point , is going to double , likely on that money , and so we're in real trouble on that front . So I agree . And plus , you know you get back to the old school days . Remember , we go back to the 1980s and you talk about the strategic defense initiative with Reagan .
Like , we're going to get back to that . And , by the way , you're also going to have to and what I mean by that is the Star Wars or the Iron Dome , you know you could call it whatever you want but also we are going to have to start dealing with the drone threat .
The drone threat that this country will likely face , the drone threat that we're likely going to instill in other people as well . So everything is changing on that front .
Well , I would even just appreciate , like a tax cut , like an additional tax cut this year , maybe just to get . Maybe get some of that money back in a different way , really , just like you're not owed as much .
Those are the Trump tax cuts which need to become permanent . Really , just like you're not owed as much , you know that would be , those are the Trump tax cuts which need to become permanent . If they don't become permanent after this year , your taxes are going to go up and most working families tax is going to go up $3,000 a year .
I mean , that's a big deal the Trump tax cut is . It's a must , and I'm sure the president would say that too .
Right , well , let's see if that happens . But okay , kent Kelly also wrote in this last one . It says I am 76 years old and have some background in aviation and as long as I can remember the FAA has been slow to upgrade any of the facilities .
They only move about a snail speed after a tragedy occurs and again , this was after we covered the Toronto crash on our last show , as well as all the other airline situations that seem to be happening that are coming our way . So good , you know . Obviously somebody had some insight there .
No , and he's absolutely right . The radar is so antiquated , a lot of their systems are antiquated . Government has to keep up and they've got to put money into these systems regularly . We don't do that . You know what I mean .
They'll make this massive investment in the 1970s , right , and then they'll be like , well , we're good to go , and all of a sudden , 30 years later , everything's out of date and the only people using it are those government agencies . So you have to update these things .
You see it , with nuclear weapons , we're having to do it right now , right , I mean Los Alamos , that's a huge part of their mission right now is updating our nuclear weapons . And that's the same issue .
Now , when you look at the FAA , it's going to take some serious investment here , and I know it's easy to say , oh my gosh , they laid off three , you know , 300 people or whatever it is , out of a staff of 50,000 , right . But the bigger issue is do we invest the money into the new technology to make sure the FAA is the very best it can be ?
And if you really think about it , this should have been done four , eight , 10 , 12 years ago . And the money that has been spent over the last four years on paying for illegal immigrants Are you kidding me ? Paying for DEI programs and things like that ? What if that money four years ago had been focused on the FAA and the system ?
Just imagine that for a second . It didn't happen , obviously , and knowing what we know right now , it's very disappointing .
Well and I hate to say this , mike , but I think if you when , when , the when we actually find out all the truth about how long these programs have been funding agendas that have nothing to do with the bulk of the country , I think it's going to go way back , farther than four years . I think we're going to find out .
This has been going on for decades , kind of just in secret but thanks you guys for writing in .
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Okay , the media is concerned and is trying to stoke as much fear as possible with what's happening with the federal workforce , and I think there's two different things going on here .
You have to shrink down the federal workforce and you also , at the same time , have to remove the waste , fraud and abuse , and really there's no dividing line between the two as far as the media goes . They just want a story that they can point to and say they're suffering . They're suffering , please stop . Is what they're going for ?
Albuquerque Journal great example , facebook post that came out the other day and it's pretty interesting , especially when you see the article that they wrote on Sunday morning .
Well , I mean this and I forwarded this . Source gave this to us and this to us . It's an ad . They're basically taking out an ad to say , hey , give us your sad stories against Trump . So basically we can do a story on it . If you read this , it says the Donald Trump administration is planning for large scale reductions in force across the federal government .
Have you or someone you know in New Mexico been affected by the layoffs and want to tell your story ? Contact the Albuquerque journal . They're fishing . That's like let's fish for the negative
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story .
I've never seen anything like this , like you know we were talking , you didn't see in the Biden administration when , when we saw inflation rise , you didn't see the journal put out a thing like inflation's crushing working families . Please write us with your story on how Joe Biden has wrecked your family budget . You didn't see that , or ?
your , your state and local reps voted in favor of the inflection inflection , inflation reduction act . And now that's what we have such bad inflation . Contact us to tell us , you know us , how this is impacting your family budget . No , we didn't see any of that . We didn't see any of that . This is shocking to me .
They should be embarrassed that they put this out there , I think . Well , so that's what's interesting , because the article today on the front page of the paper this is what it looks like , and it says federal layoffs affect National Park , tribal University .
And what it looks like and it says federal layoffs affect National Park , a tribal university and more in New Mexico . Okay , so if you actually dive in and read this story , what you find out is yes , there are some people have been laid off and , by the way , I want to start by saying that is not easy for anybody . I don't care .
However , you get laid off , whether you get eight months salary which a lot of people do in this particular case or not . It uproots your family . It can be really difficult , and I don't think anybody should go around and act like it's not , and we're not doing that either . So let me start by saying that , because it's not easy .
It's not an easy thing to do , but we're also in a spot now where we have to grow up and realize that we have a massive debt and if we don't deal with it , you're not only going to deal with government services going down .
Basic services that the country tries to accomplish will not be accomplished because we'll be driven into debt to such a degree that the people who desperately need help won't get it . So we have to be mature about this and say , okay , what can we do to fix the problem that we're in ? And this is part of that fix . You don't blow off people's concerns .
They are concerns and they're real right . But at the same time , a lot of what you see in articles like the Journal put out today and some others which we'll point out , basically say oh my gosh , oh my gosh . Oh well , that really hasn't happened yet , but it could be an issue . I oh well , that really hasn't happened yet , but it could be an issue .
I mean , that's really what's happening . So look at this first quote out of the story here , and it just is kind of funny when you start to realize how they couch the story right at the very beginning .
This past week , rumors abounded you guys . Rumors , okay , prepare yourself . The truth was harder to discern , given the atmosphere of fear and promises of retribution . Many current and former federal employees the journal spoke with said that they were instructed not to speak to the media or had signed nondisclosure agreements .
Indeed , if anyone can confirm information about layoffs , please see the bottom of the story and contact us .
Okay , so they're trolling for more stories , right ? They're trolling for more sources , first and foremost . Okay , so let's go to one of their first stories on what they say happened .
Okay , it's , it's riveting . One employee and one volunteer at separate offices confirmed cuts had been made of promotion probationary employees at the Aztec ruins national monument and Chaco culture national historical park .
The employee who worked at the separate office said at Chaco Canyon , at least one maintenance person and two people at the preservation crew who provide upkeep to the ancient dwellings had been let go . So here's the quote the thousand-year-old buildings .
Yes , those guys adding that the cuts were definitely made because they were probationary and will definitely affect their operations at Chaco .
Okay , so that doesn't sound great . No one wants to lose their job , so did that really happen ?
It sounds like if you keep reading the article , that's a fat . No , because , according to Denise Robertson , superintendent for Aztec Ruins National Monument and Chaco Cultural National Historical Site said no such cuts had been made Quote not at the current time .
She said , when asked about the information given by employees at separate offices , that these cuts had indeed been made . Robertson said I'm saying that's not , that's incorrect and I am the park superintendent .
And just to give you an update . A probationary employee , a federal probationary employee , what I believe is any time between zero and three years of hire .
Yeah , so they're just new employees , basically . You know . So usually it's last in , first out . That's the concept in business A lot of times that when you have to shrink your workforce , your longest tenured people stay .
Okay , but you guys are missing the point . The point is , on this particular thing , you got people that are being quoted as saying , yeah , these cuts are happening , and then you have the superintendent saying , yeah , no , that's , that's actually not correct .
Good point Right .
So , again , when I'm the reporter and I'm doing this , investigating , I would kill this story immediately . This , this is a very like inflammatory headline . It is trying to basically like stoke a fire of a fire that has yet to start .
Well , and believe me , there are other portions of this story where people are laid off . So so why ?
not do that story instead of a fake like a hey , this is what one guy said is happening , and then their boss is like no , it hasn't happened .
Okay , Well , speaking of that , let's go to Veterans Affairs , Because you know that's another area that there's a lot of concern for , and rightfully so .
Okay , so this is Veterans Affairs Zero . Employees at the New Mexico Veterans Affairs healthcare system were affected by nationwide layoffs , said a spokesperson .
While the VA hospital in Albuquerque escaped cuts , call center and administrative employees who helped veterans complete paperwork so they could get medical care were cut , which could create service backlogs , according to Stansberry .
Melanie Stansberry . Melanie Stansberry . Okay , so there could be a problem , potentially , but there's been no cut , but it hasn't happened yet .
But let's continue to stoke a fire .
Yes and so , but this is what happens when you are on the wrong side of an issue , right , and you're on the wrong side of an 80-20 issue once again , which is most people say I want my government to be responsible and to not waste a dime . Ava , do you have something you want ?
to add . Well , I did want to say that I was reading recently that there were going to be a thousand firings across all of the national parks in the United States , which sounds like a lot of people when you're reading about it , but that's an average of one to two employees per national park .
I saw this on Ben Shapiro's show , so I just think I saw the New York times talking about how it was going to destroy national parks and like kind of mess everything up . But when you're losing one to two employees per national park , there's going to be no difference and I just think that's an important thing to talk about if you're seeing that headline .
And , by the way and there's another point that you made about seasonal workers , though that you may get rid of the full , you may get rid of a couple of full-time people , but the interior secretary , Doug Bergham , said they're they're looking to hire I think he said like 5,000 seasonal workers .
They can work at the national parks over the summertime so that Americans have a good experience . Yeah .
Okay , we have a national park story in just a minute , so let's just wait for that . I have we'll . We'll get to that one in just a minute too . Okay , that's how we all got our start at this , right ? You had to go in and you had to pitch a story every day , right ? So you needed to make sure . Do I have a good source ? Is there a news hook ?
Whatever this reporter I , I have no idea what happened . They went to go cover a nothing burger story , which actually makes air . Okay , Nothing , I want to play . Play it for you , right , and I want you to listen to what the story should have been , because I guarantee you your reporter minds will know what the story should have been .
OK , it's KOB .
Well , one month into President Trump's second administration , we are seeing unprecedented changes to the federal government . Many have praised the efforts , including funding freezes and mass layoffs , but many others are still wondering what could happen next .
New Mexico's Democratic lawmakers are pledging to fight those cuts , but the programs and employees already impacted are certainly feeling the consequences . Zach Ryle spoke with the Immigrant Law Center of New Mexico for their take .
Which is now waging war on government waste , fraud and abuse , and Elon is doing a really good job .
The Trump administration is making good on its promise to cut what it says is wasteful government spending . Government workers , including New Mexicans , have been fired , laid off or furloughed . Organizations and programs have seen their funding slashed or frozen .
It's because of that funding that we can represent children , regardless of their immigration matter .
The New Mexico Immigrant Law Center provides legal representation for unaccompanied migrant children , meaning they are in the US without a parent or guardian while their cases go through the US court system .
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We have kids that are of all age sets . We have some kids that are as young as three and four years old , and so to expect a four year old to be an immigration court or to be able , to OK , that's horrendous .
So to this point , this is horrendous . You got . You got three and four year old kids that are in this country by themselves , which just no offense , but that's the story , ok , that is actually what the story should .
Just no offense , but like that's the story . Okay , that is actually what the story should be . Okay , but that's not what this reporter did .
Okay .
That's what the story should be . Is the second that that guy says that your follow-up question is what ? Mike ?
where'd the kids come from ? What do we know about them ? Where are they now ? Right ?
Like that's story , but again , that was not what this reporter was setting out to do . This reporter is setting out to say hey , how is Trump's cuts impacting you and your job here ?
So keep listening , though , because again he's leading us up to think this this immigration lawyer , federal cuts , ngos getting cut Right , so I'm not gonna be able to support these kids anymore . But hold on , because again this is a nothing burger story in An office for a humanitarian visa is honestly just unconscionable .
But that was almost the reality . On Tuesday the Immigrant Law Center was informed funding for this program would be cut . Then late Friday , attorney Andres Santiago says they received word that funding would be restored .
For the few days that it was canceled . We had to push new clients that were identified as unaccompanied children into March .
Representative Melanie Stansbury says this whiplash and chaos puts an emotional and mental strain on New Mexicans .
There's literally thousands of New Mexicans that don't know what's going to happen , whether they're going to lose their jobs . There's going to be a freeze on funding for the programs they work for .
She says these cuts are hurting families and places blame with the president and Elon Musk .
We can agree to disagree , but we cannot allow an unelected billionaire and Donald Trump and his Republican enablers to continue to terrorize the American people .
Okay , you have three and four year old kids being drawn into this country to an uncertain and dangerous future , and you have the gall to say that Trump and Musk are terrorizing people . The house is on fire and you're upset with the fire department .
Right ? Well , here's the point too , is this reporter keeps saying all these cuts are affecting I listen to him again Thousands . Stansbury said thousands of New Mexicans . If there are thousands of New Mexicans which we don't want them to be impacted with their jobs , we've said we all have a heart for people and want them to have a paycheck .
If this is happening in mass quantities across the state , why is this reporter not finding those people to actually talk to , instead of going to talk to an immigration attorney that that guess what the cut didn't actually impact him whatsoever .
And then you also just see it like just blasted right through the biggest story of that guy's quote , which are these kids that are coming across the border without an adult . Yeah , that's the story , kobe , you missed the mark once again . Like I just don't understand how this , how'd this story even get on air ?
Well , I think no , they were looking for , they were trolling for stories . And that gets to your point that if you have thousands of people believe me , by the way , just so you know how a newsroom works when there are big time things like massive layoffs and cuts , you don't have to reach out to people . They reach out to you .
Your phones ring off the hook when these things happen , and that is not happening right now . So they are trolling for every story they can , and then they have an absolute crisis with young children , and the thought is well , how can we wrap this one back on Trump ? And again , the whole thing they're mad about is not occurring .
So therefore , it could occur , though it could occur , it could cause major chaos across for many families , but yet we can't report on that because we don't actually have that happening yet .
You know , I kind of call that mass media manipulation . Yeah , cause they're trying to manipulate the public .
Oh yeah , it's total propaganda . I just I watched that story and I was like what ?
And , believe me , there will be people that will be laid off , there'll be tough stories and all of this . There's no question this is not easy .
Then you do that story . You don't do a fake story of something that didn't actually happen .
I totally agree with you . But I'm just saying get ready , because there are going to be tough stories , they're going to be real , and they're going to be real uncertainties for families , but again , at the end of the day , because we have to have some sort of reset and we'd rather have a reset now than , oh my gosh , social security collapsed .
Oh my goodness , medicaid is completely insolvent . All of a sudden , you can't meet the basic needs of the most needy people in your country . That's what we're headed for , so we need to stand up and be ready to do that . Well , sometimes comedy jumps into the middle of this , and this is some good stuff .
I'm sorry , but the but the headline from NBC news same sort of thing , right ? Trump job cuts could throw national parks and forests into staffing chaos . Now , if you're going to connect this story , you've got to have a specific story that has been just emblematic of the devastation that is occurring at this point . And we have it . We have it .
Let's read this tweet because it's critical . At California's Yosemite National Park , otherwise known as Yosemite , the Trump administration fired the only locksmith on staff on Friday . He was the sole employee with the keys and the institutional knowledge needed to rescue visitors from locked restrooms . Are you kidding me ?
You got one guy who can grab the set of keys , stick it in the lock , turn it and let someone out from what is likely the stinkiest bathroom they've ever been in , cause we've all been in those national park , but they're basically a dirt hole that you're required to . You know you're in a tight spot , right ?
I mean you know , you had a hot dog earlier in the day and you're like my goodness , I got nowhere to go . I got nowhere to go and all of a sudden I'm locked in here .
And only one guy has the keys and only one guy can do it . Yeah , only one job , only one person beyond pathetic .
I mean honestly and this guy . When he asked for vacation . What do you think they said ? They're like why , who's going to let anybody out ? I mean , we get somebody stuck .
You have to work 365 days a year because you're the only person that can do it . But okay , let's do a little follow up on this , because this is a there's more crying on this for the people that are being the chaos that's being created at the national parks . Are you eligible for financial compensation after being locked in a national park service bathroom ?
If you've suffered an injury or emotional distress after spending hours in 120 degree fecal bucket because of the park's locksmith got fired due to doge , you may be entitled to financial compensation .
In the event of a stinky outdoor bathroom accident , the US government can be held accountable for damages If a loved one has been seriously or catastrophically injured by falling into the toilet of the locked pit bathroom or by losing his or her sense of smell permanently .
Very real .
It may also be possible for your family to obtain compensation and it's a joke here , obviously everybody . But you can reach out to this attorney and call us now at 555-STINKPIT .
Well , no , it's . Do we cheat them and how Like do we cheat them and how ?
That's what that is oh , I didn't even get that .
Okay .
Good job . Yes , yes , okay .
It's hilarious , but it's just ridiculous , right .
Again , as you said , there's going to be real stories of this happening . I just think media should at least wait until the actual stories come .
Yeah , and I think that when you start to try to rein the government in , you see the pullback and how nasty it gets .
And I think this is something that again , and we're going to this is a theme that we're going to talk about as you go through this , and we're going to see it with the immigration issue here in a second and that is that if you're an oppositional party , if all you believe in is opposing the other guy , no matter what , if the other guy jumps on the 80
side of the issue and you're on the 20 , you are getting crushed and it's brutal .
But I guess this is what's so frustrating . Is you watch , like some of our state leaders and their tweets because I do that , I follow them and you join the media on this . Like , like some of our state leaders and their tweets because I do that , I follow them and you join the media on this like , at some point , is this not just crying wolf ?
Like , how are people not getting the fact that all you're doing is trying to stoke a fire that has yet to start and we don't know exactly how it's going to happen ? I just feel like you start to lose credibility as a media organization when you're doing this and as a leader saying this is so scary , this is going to be the most frightening thing .
This is terrorizing new Mexican families and I'm like , okay , where is that happening yet ? Because we have yet to see that yet .
And if you really pay close attention to what's gone over the last two years , I would wager , if you look at the mainstream media and the stories and the spin they've tried to to to put on things , especially things involving Donald Trump , for example you'd be like Whoa .
And then you watch a more conservative news outlet and you'd be like wait , it'd be night and day . You're , you're thinking you're living in two different countries .
Yeah , it is night and day and I just think I guess I just I also feel like and I'm not saying this like I have any proof of this , but it seems like those that are showing like throwing up their hands and saying as much as like I'm so upset , we can't let this happen , we can't let Doge .
You know , elon is the bad guy and we don't need this investigation to happen . This isn't fair to the American . Like the louder you repeal this , the guiltier you look . And I'm not saying that they're guilty because I don't know , Nothing's come out yet but I just think , if you're , I just don't get it
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. I don't get why you wouldn't be fighting for us to stop the waste , stop using taxpayers .
Is that you're talking about . You know what they're saying about the individual issues . I'm saying that they can't win the war Like you're fighting on an issue . You can't win because you're arguing for more government secrecy and more government corruption . That's what you're arguing for .
You're arguing for do not call me out on this because we're doing what we want to do , and anytime you try to cut a dollar , we're going to try to find someone who lost that dollar . And even if they didn't , you know , even if they didn't . And so therefore , this is what I mean by these 80-20 issues .
They're just on the wrong side of it , right , and they're on the wrong side of the immigration issue as well . And what's interesting about that issue is that now Homans has come out and he has more comments about fighting the cartels , another issue where you're in really solid shape . If you're in the Trump administration .
You're saying look , these guys are pumping fentanyl into this country and they're killing literally hundreds of thousands of people . We can't allow this to happen . It's a pretty good place to be , and Homan's obviously is . You know , captain Bravado .
Yeah , he's got a little . He's kind of a caricature .
Something like at a central casting , as Donald Trump said the other day .
Yeah , I mean . So let's just take a listen to him . He was on Fox News talking about how they're going to step up the military craft fight on this year .
They're obviously trying to adapt to what you're throwing at them . You're seeing this video . Now they're on boats . How have you seen the coyotes and the cartels kind of reorient their business to handle what you've done ?
Look , they are going more maritime . We knew they would . That's why we've increased Coast Guard patrols three times , three times more than we have in the past . So Coast Guard will answer that call . So we're going to shut them down maritime too . Look , we're going to put them out of business .
President Trump has designated them criminal terrorist organizations , which they should be . They've killed more Americans than every terrorist organization in this world combined . President Trump will end up wiping them off the face of the earth because we're going to put them out of business . You put them out of business . You take their money away .
They can't bribe Mexican officials . They can't bribe anybody without money to have no power . We're not just going to attack in Mexico the Jalisco cartel . We're going to attack them in the 43 countries that have operations currently operations in 43 different countries . We're going to attack them worldwide .
What does that look like , I wonder ? Does it look like ? Do we fly drones into Mexico and bomb ? You know their facilities .
Yeah , I don't know . I don't know .
But that was pretty , that was pretty harsh talk , yeah , and you think about the amount of money these cartels have made over the last four years . I mean , some of these illegal immigrants said they were paying $20,000 or $30,000 a person In the beginning . I'm like how did they get $20,000 or $30,000 to pay the cartels first of all ?
And then you add all that up and how many billions of dollars these cartels— I mean these are huge businesses .
It's like a big corporation . Yeah , it's just going to be interesting to see , like what , how the cartel respond to this and how we do . I mean Holman's kind of a . I mean he's like right , like we were saying , he's a tough guy right now . He's a . Definitely I'm the tough guy , you know .
There's things like security measures now are coming up , like our school , for example , we do a mission trip to help an orphanage in Mexico . We have canceled that for the first time because of safety concerns .
Right , so will there be more safety concerns for , say , travel to the , to Mexico , for instance , which I know that's not the biggest worry on the planet for everybody , but it is .
You're like I got a trip to Acapulco this weekend . I cannot have that . I don't need homens popping off and alerting the cartels that I'm going to be in Acapulco .
Well , I'm just saying that Mexico is a popular tourist destination for Americans . It is . I do think that there's going to be some impact there as well .
And I just said , you know , we're obviously not going to Mexico anytime soon , but there I have plenty of friends who have travel plans to go there and I'm thinking maybe everybody needs to be paying closer attention to those warnings from Homeland Security .
Oh , and especially since , since the cartels are going to be there , their income stream is going to be limited to a , to a major degree , and they're going to say what else can we do ? Think about it . They're going to , they're going to try to think outside the box and if you're an American and you're in Mexico , you might have a problem .
Right , I just think it's it's . It's interesting . It's interesting to see how much coming out . We got no amount of horse , you guys , I mean . I don't think it's like Chrissy Noem on the horse down at the border a politician on a horse .
it is a risky move . Yeah , I mean , I I'll never forget the Senate race when I was running against Gavin Clarkson and Gavin wears cowboy hat and he's got the look and Gavin's actually a really smart guy but he got on a .
He got on the horse and you could tell Gavin was not familiar with it , and so I learned a lesson that day when I , when I saw that video , I was like , okay , I am never getting on a horse as part of a campaign event or as part of my job , whatever it is . No , no .
Well , no . And then this is the thing the guys were . You've had people that have come up to you and said , mark , well , we need to get you as a cowboy hat and some boots when you're campaigning . No .
I should wear . Just look like I'm in a costume .
No we need to put you on skis . Put you on the ski mountain and you can go like this and swish down the slopes and tell everybody your ideas . One thing I won't be doing is going like this .
Like I'm pretty certain .
So uh , but yeah I would agree .
So all right , getting to the last of our 80-20 themes and a good place to be . Trump meets with the governors across the country .
Yeah , I think our governor went out there too . Yeah , I think pretty much all the governors were there .
at least close , I'm sure . Yeah , yeah . Didn't go well for one governor . Well , so he starts tangling with the governor of Maine , where the whole men and women's sports deal came up and Maine has been pushing back some on this . Women's sports deal came up and Maine has been pushing back some on this .
And again , this is an issue that 80% of Americans are like yeah , guess what ? Women's sports should be protected . Protect women's sports . Well , when you're the opposition party , trump says protect women's sports . We say don't listen to the governor of Maine going back and forth with Trump , but I understand Maine is the main here .
The governor of Maine , are you not going to comply with it ? Well , we are the federal law . Well , you better do it . You better do it because you're not going to get any federal funding at all if you don't .
And , by the way , your population even though it's somewhat liberal , although I did very well there your population doesn't want men playing in women's sports . So you better comply , because otherwise you're not getting any federal funding . Every state good , I'll see you in court . I look forward to that . That should be a real easy one .
And enjoy your life after governor , because I don't think you'll be in elected politics .
Okay , I'll see you in court , then yeah , I'll see you . I'm looking forward to that . Well , I just can't believe that she would even like . And there's the thing , she's not the only one . You know you've got Tim Walz up in Minneapolis or Minnesota that are saying like I'm going to fight back on these issues as well . We've been getting messages .
Now we're getting messages sent to us that , according to several people here in New Mexico , that state and local leaders are trying to fight back on Trump's executive orders as well At our schools , with DEI stuff , with ICE you know , ice things under sanctuary city policies .
We're still looking into that to make sure that's all validated before we bring it to you guys . But still , you're going to see these Democratic states say , I , we're , we're not going to count out , like , what are they doing ? Are they going to like , concede the union ? I mean , I don't understand .
Well , I think that it's again that's what what I mean by an oppositional party Like it doesn't work , again You're on a battlefield you can't win on . It's like you , you're being told hey , you gotta , you've got to fight everybody off and get to the top of Mount Everest . Good luck , you can't . And that's what I don't understand .
And so , actually , ava , once you go to my text and pull up the Mark Penn , mark Penn wrote a an ex post on this because he's looked at some new data and obviously you know Mark Penn is a former Clinton pollster , yeah , yeah . So here's what he had to say , and it's interesting stuff .
It says voters are mostly liking what they see in the first month of the new presidency . By 57 , 43 voters say Trump is doing a better job than Biden . In an advanced look of polls coming out on Monday , job approval at 52, . But closing the border , cutting waste , are highly or , excuse me , hugely popular . So it's so .
So is resetting merit as the prime hiring and contracting principle . They don't agree with everything being done , ie the Gulf of America , which is a pretty solid move , but overall people feel much better about the direction of the country and the economy . Democrats are cratering down to 36 percent approval . Schumer's ratings are a lot lower than Elon Musk .
Voters are looking back on Biden's presidency and the Democratic Party years and scratching their heads on how they tolerated it . That's exactly what I'm talking about .
And you know how they tolerated it .
They were watching certain channels that didn't give them the absolute truth , that spun things the way they wanted to spin things and let them believe they were living in a different country than reality . Right , and actually they did themselves a disservice by doing that , right .
The media always does a disservice by not questioning authority , because they allow that authority to overstep so badly that they end up where Biden was , where he was never called out by any of the mainstream media . Just notice the difference . Now , with Trump , anything that happens , even if it's not a big deal , is made into a big deal . What does that do ?
It eventually makes Trump more accountable for what happens . They have to think two and three steps ahead . It's called second and third order thinking . If you're really good in your White House , you know , if we do this , the media is going to say this and then we've got to say this . Right , I mean , you're just always thinking three-dimensionally , always .
And they didn't have to do that in the Biden administration .
And so , because they didn't , they walked down a very lonely road and by the time they got a ways down that road , there was no way back , and I think they're not necessarily learning that lesson yet that hey , stop being an oppositional party and start being a party that stands for certain principles , and sometimes , when you stand for certain principles , that means
that you may well agree with the president on some things like cleaning up waste , fraud and abuse and tightening the border . Like they would be much better served to do that and then to have a fight on the details versus having a fight on the principle , which they will always lose .
Well , ok , so I know that our leaders , our state leaders , are not going to spend the money to do real polling in our state to see where people land on these issues .
But if media were smart , instead of just like saying , hey , let me take an ad out here to tell me your woes of maybe potentially getting fired right Instead , why don't media like put together a real poll , like they do during the election , by the way , they all do it during the election .
Why do they not do it now and ask the people of New Mexico about DEI , about sanctuary city policies , about women in men's sports , see what your viewers actually think in general ? And then you do your stories based on that polling and saying listen , we did our own poll , this is what we've come up with .
You don't think they'll ever do this , perhaps in blue states . They don't want to know the answers , they don't want to hear the truth ? Well , clearly not , and they don't think they'll ever do this perhaps in blue states .
They don't want to know the answers they don't want to hear the truth ? Well , clearly not
¶ Media Influence and Poll Manipulation
. They don't want to report it . I just think , if I was a news director , okay , but if I'm a news , director , here's my argument to you . Okay , that's not our job oh , they're gonna be all your job to take an ad out and ask for fake stories . Well , I agree .
But but their job is gonna be they're gonna be much more high and mighty on this they're going to say that's not our job . Our job is just to report the news fairly and accurately . Of course they don't do that , and so they don't they also , though , they do polls , babe , during the election process .
They do .
But again , poll . A good poll is 50 plus thousand dollars . Do you think the journal has the money for that ? Let me answer that for you no , any TV station in this market now has the money for that ? The answer is no . So how do they do it during the election season ? Because it's a sunk cost .
First of all , they understand it's part of the sunk cost of covering an election Like you have to do it and there's no choice . And not only that , more people are paying attention to it and in most cases you can do a poll that will cover multiple states . In other words , like Emerson will do multiple state polls and they're tied in directly with . Next .
OK , and they can't find . They can't find another poll that's been done nationally on these issues and cover that .
Well , they could , I guess , if they want to you just got to remember .
for a second Polls can be easily manipulated . I know OK , and polls during the last presidential election . I monitored them , I looked very closely at them and I didn't trust them . I mean , so you , you know you , what you need to do is really find a pollster that you trust and then monitor their numbers , because people can jump up .
You know , it's like whack-a-mole a bunch of people jumping up doing all their polls but you don't know which ones are worthy of watching .
Well , you have to look at the cross tabs too , because that tells you the verbiage of the question asked , which is to your point .
Because if you were to say to people do you approve good , hardworking employees being laid off at the national park service when it could affect the , the , the production and the experience for people going to enjoy our national parks ? Well , of course I don't . Do you approve of extra people involved in the government that are not doing a job ?
And they're not , you know , like you could , just you just make the question . I guess it's all marketing .
It's all marketing , Unless you really want to know the real answer . And then then there's absolutely a way to do that , Like if media want to gain uh , some sense of uh , I don't know . Trust , trust again . Ask the real questions , find the straight answer , do the black and white of it , even a survey Like I agree .
I just don't know why you need $50,000 to do this .
I'm sorry , but that's what a poll costs .
Do a man on the street then oh , that's , accurate . Yeah , hey , fred how you doing yeah , no , no , no , we're good .
Yeah , yeah , yeah .
I wonder why this poll sucks ? Because mainly because we got 16 people that all live in one neighborhood . Okay .
I know .
I know . Go look at the size of the journal from 10 years ago to now . It's tiny .
now it's hard , but yet they can take out money on asking these kind of questions . Why not ask a question ?
Okay , hold on . Hold on , A Facebook post is not a $50,000 poll .
But why not ask the questions then in a survey type thing there ?
on Facebook . Look , I don't know , but I'm just telling you that doesn't do any good . That's not a real weighted poll that could be manipulated easily .
Yeah , that is true .
Okay , fine , fine , fine , fine . I'm not a news director , I'm just trying to cook up new names .
No , no , but you're right in the respect that if you go back to the TV stations now and you look at where they are , mike and I were talking . Remember this one time . It was at Channel 7 . Mary Lynn Roper , greenlit an ad making fun of Steve Stucker . I mean , oh , yeah , yeah , yeah , they put Steve Stucker on a promo as a clown .
Okay , don't watch a clown . And our guy at that time was John Klevenosky . He was our , our , our meteorologist in the morning . Okay , they put that ad out trying to make Stucker look like a clown . It completely backfires . It backfires in epic proportion . Right , and they have to pull the ad .
All right , they have to pull the promo off right away , cause it was a horrible thing to do and anyone who knows Steve Stucker knows he is about the best person that ever lived .
Yeah .
So it turns out , you know this thing , but that gives you the mindset Right . And so channel four started giving away televisions on the morning show , right During ratings , to get numbers . And then we started giving away televisions and then we're going back . I mean , this stuff mattered at channel 13, .
Every book mattered , yeah , now they don't care , and they , and I don't know why , I think they just have their little piece of the pie , but the numbers are a third of what they used to be . And so you see all these things . You're so frustrated , but I'm also frustrated because we look at , like how we grew up in news . You won and it was a win .
Like you care , you got those numbers every morning . There's not a person in this market now who gets numbers every morning , who cares about them , and I , when you told me that that nobody's following the numbers every day like they used to .
It blew my mind . I gotta be honest with you .
Yeah , and I just think that betting a story as a reporter , having to go in and say , okay , this is what I have , these are my two sources , you have to have both sides right . You sort of had to say I have this side for this , this you had to like , pitch it to , and you , I was nervous for pitch meetings Cause .
I was like you know you're like they can shoot me down , and then I got to go find my next story .
Right , you're in . You were . I remember driving into work sweating it Like .
I had no story .
Yeah , oh yeah .
I'd be calling my sources on the way , yeah , exactly you're calling him 10 minutes before the meeting .
Oh , and just praying that you had both sides , I mean , that was the biggest thing that was always drilled into me is well , who do you have on the other side to talk to ? Yeah , For every single story . Now you're like , well , we've got an immigration attorney that is going to make up something that's not really happening .
But it's like what , how does this story not get killed ? And the reporter gets back to us to put that , even if he put that whole package together , a new strategist should look to that set and said , uh , or producer and said this is a terrible story and you need to go back and go and get the real story on this .
The real story is who enters , introduce us to the three and four year olds , and we want to tell the story of these kids who are in this country alone .
Yeah , and where are they right now ? Yeah .
And what can we do to help them ?
We can help them out , we'll just help them out , okay . Getting it , let's move on yeah .
Yeah , sorry , sorry , we got a little sidetracked yeah .
You pulled this clip , which I think is really good , because I think a lot of folks have been confused or maybe just don't get or understand tariffs Like I know for sure arms about it . Rubio just has a really good communication style and really answers this so directly . This should be played in every classroom .
And just so . Another point on the media and this kind of gets to it . Catherine Harrods used to be at Fox , she used to be at CBS . She's really good , and now that the new media has been formed , where you have a bunch of different sources , catherine Harrods is independent .
So she sits down with Marco Rubio where she would have been one of the main media people doing this . Now she's an independent where there's so much more information , and valuable information at that . This is part of that .
Okay , so let's play this clip . I think this is fascinating
¶ Trade Imbalances and Tariffs
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Talked about expanding the US footprint . In a hot mic moment , Canada's prime minister said that absorbing Canada is a real thing .
Is it a real thing ? You know how that came about . Presidents meeting with Trudeau and Trudeau says well , if you impose , if you even out our trade relationship , then we will cease to exist as a country . At which point the president responded very logically and that is well . If you can't exist without cheating and trade , then you should become a state .
That was his observation . That's how it started . It is how it started , and I think he's told the story publicly . And that's how all this began . Look , canada is our friend , canada is our neighbor , canada is our partner . But it goes back to the point I made . For decades , the United States allowed uneven trade imbalances to develop During the Cold War .
You know why we did it . We did it because we felt like we want countries to be strong economically , even if it means they're cheating , because we don't want them to fall victim to some internal Marxist coup that overturns their government or what have you . Those days are gone .
These are rich , developed economies and , ultimately , who can argue against the fact that whatever they charge us , we should charge them ? Whatever they prohibit , if they don't allow american companies to do it , we should not allow their companies to do it here . American banks can't even operate in canada . So there has to be reciprocity here .
We can continue to work together on all kinds of things , but whether it's canada , mexico , china , anybody else , when it comes to economics and trade , there has to be reciprocity , there has to be fairness . And who would argue ? How can anybody argue against that ? The days where we just allow countries to take advantage of us , that has to end .
That's not good for the global order . That leads to imbalances that create friction points . That's the case with Canada , it's the case with a lot of countries who are allies and friends . But on trade we have an imbalance and it has to be dealt with .
It's really good . It's really good . So whenever people talk about trade , just put in your head what they're going for is equal . So in other words , if you send an automobile into the United States and we tariff at 10 percent , when we send an automobile to you , it should be tariffed at 10 percent .
And that's what they're going for . And the fact that some of these tariffs haven't been negotiated in decades .
Yeah , oh , it blows my mind when you hear about it and think about the amount of money this country would bring in if we actually did what ? The reciprocal tariffs , which what Donald Trump wants to do . Or let's say we took away tariffs and everybody you know , in certain cases prices will go down , right .
No , you can remove them all across the board too . In some cases , you could absolutely just completely do the free trade , even across the board . What's interesting , too , is like take China , one of these examples . Are we buying land in China ? Can you buy land in China ? The answer is no , heck . No , you can't . Can China buy land in the United States ?
The answer is yes , they can . Yeah , which is funny . I mean , that is crazy . That needs to change . Like that's the sort of thing . So when you hear about tariffs , remember , think about that lens , think about the lens of equal treatment on tariffs , versus the demagoguery which is , oh my gosh , tariffs are going to raise prices .
Going to raise prices , going to raise prices . Yeah , they're going to raise prices . If you try to equal it out . Or the other country says you know what ? We were hitting you at 20% for your automobiles , we'll bring it down to 10 . We'll hit you with 10 . That's what's starting to happen already .
It's the reason that none of these things have actually been incorporated yet , because they're getting an adjustment .
And if you really think about it for a second , two quick things . First of all , some states are coming out there and not letting our adversaries buy land in them , so they're taking baby steps , but it's not nationally .
And then , when it comes to tariffs , if all of a sudden an American car , if we wanted to sell it in Europe I don't know , the tariffs are high there , 25 , I think , something like that at least Imagine if that was dropped to 5% and all of a sudden American automobile manufacturers had another opportunity to sell a lot of cars in Europe , because that's not
happening right now .
Right , and you also brought up a good point , mike . When we were prepping for the show we talked about , like number one , why haven't these tariff audits kind of been discussed before now ? And number two , you were like , and this whole Doge thing where people are freaking out . You're like , why wasn't this handled , you know , decades ago ?
Why were we not looking into this fraud and you know , all this waste decades ago ?
And let me say this it's the beauty of a businessman becoming a president , and a businessman with business associates . They get it . They get how to negotiate certain things , wyckoff and whatnot . You know how to get our hostages that are around the country , around the world , back to the United States .
Elon Musk doing what he's doing , donald Trump being a businessman , he gets it where the last number of presidents have all been politicians , and that's a huge difference .
And there will be some cases too , though , by the way , on the trade front , where we have to keep products out of the country , like , for example , chinese EVs . They cannot come into this country .
Right .
Because they are able to produce an EV at a price that is absolutely insane . Okay , so they would absolutely destroy the EV market in the United States , so there will be tariffs on their EV should be a hundred percent .
I was going to say I think I've heard Trump mentioned something like that ?
Yeah Well , you have to , because literally they could produce an EV half the cost . Like you want a super cool . You know , a hundred thousand dollar EV in the U S , china can do it for 40 or 50,000 , which would just destroy the whole market .
So so some of that does have to be accounted for . And again , there's plenty of our products that just don't get in places for that exact reason .
Okay , and here's my personal request it's tax season and , um , I told you this the other day that I wish we had some sort of AI program , like Elon has when he's going through the USAID and all these other companies to see what they've been spending their money on and what's waste , what's good .
I would like to be able to have an AI program that I just give all of our bank statements to and like here's our spend , here's our credit cards . Could you just analyze it for me and do all my tax reports for me , so I don't have to spend countless hours ? I have a tiny budget .
I'll bet money that we can find that .
You think .
I do .
If not now , then very soon . Yeah , there's no doubt . I mean they've got large language models going after full federal government programs that are billions of dollars . What about the little guys ?
I absolutely think it is out there . I just hope . It's been three weekends trying to cobble together , I know .
You're trying to do anything .
You can not to have to do that . I totally get it . I service because it's incredible Okay .
Last episode we talked about the numbers on the late night shows . In that they're unbelievable because Greg Gutfeld gets about 3.3 million people to watch a show he's on Fox news . Okay , um , basically Jimmy Kimmel , and I think it's the tonight show . If you combine Kimmel and the tonight show , you're not at 3.3 million yeah .
Yeah , and then and then , of course , you have Colbert in there as well . You also have Seth Meyers , who does an even later show , and one of the arguments we made was they made such an incredible mistake by by not necessarily talking about politics . That's okay , but advocating for one side constantly .
That's what Colbert does , that's what Kimball does and that's what Seth Meyers does . The three of them constantly push a message they want you to go in their direction , okay .
Well , what they've basically done then is taken basically 20% of the audience and split them up between the three of them and they're just like , well , good for us , it's complete broadcast suicide .
And because of that , gutfeld comes out and he takes everything else and it's such a terrible business plan and I can't believe the executives at these networks let it happen . It's one thing like if I'm Kimmel's boss , I go to him and I say listen , you can shred Republicans , go for it . Just shred Democrats to shred everybody and go nuts .
You want to make fun of them , mock them , do whatever , do it , there's nothing wrong with that , but just don't push everybody constantly in one direction . And so I stumbled upon a clip of Johnny Carson talking to 60 Minutes and they were almost lamenting the fact that Johnny Carson never weighed in on one side or the other .
Not that Johnny Carson didn't rip up , he did . He made fun of everybody , but you never knew where he was coming from . And this little clip from Carson is super illustrative of what used to happen and doesn't happen anymore .
You get sensitive about the fact that people say he'll never take a serious controversy . Well , I have an answer to that . I said now tell me the last time that Jack Benny , red Skelton , any comedian , use his show to do serious issues . That's not what I'm there for , can't they see that ? But you're not .
Do they think that just because you have a tonight show , that you must deal in serious issues ? That's a danger . It's a real danger . Once you start that , you start to get that self-important feeling that what you say has great import .
And you know , strangely enough , you could use that show as a forum , you could sway people , and I don't think you should as an entertainer .
That's . I mean really , he's hit that nail right on the head . And I've been watching a lot of Johnny Carson clips lately , even popping up on my Facebook feed , and I didn't even know about that interview . But these these clips are so right down the middle , nonpolitical at all , and it just I miss those days , yeah , yeah .
I would love to see us get back to those days , yeah .
No , yeah , and just someone who's just or Saturday Night Live too . I'd like to see Saturday Night Live go back to like ripping , on both sides too , because it's just not that funny anymore .
Yeah , no .
I think you're right . I think that's a really
¶ Tragic Loss and Community Support
good point . Okay , one more quick little weather story . Of course , ava . Let's go to the tweet first , and this is from Jack Dirk , and this is amazing stuff . So we're basically 52 days into the year . Okay , check out the number of snow days , days in which snow has fallen in upstate New York Syracuse 49 of 52 . Binghamton 45 of 52 .
Rochester , where my brother lives , we call it the rock baby 51 out of 52 days . Buffalo 51 out of 52 . Albany 41 . Unbelievable . And you see what's happened and what's come off the lake , especially Lake Ontario , that pushed into Buffalo , and you see the video which is just like look at this .
I mean they're just getting crushed day in and day out with lake effect snow . So when you think about what's happening in New Mexico or , mike , you're going back to Texas today . Just remember it could be worse it could be worse . You could be up getting lake effect , snow and just getting buried .
You could have bad weather , super high taxes and a terrible governor in New York .
Oh my gosh , that's a trifecta , right there .
Yeah , Move west people , there you go no it's unbelievable , those numbers .
I was just staggering when I saw the numbers .
Yeah , that's rough , yeah , okay . So this is some sad news that we found out about earlier today and we wanted to share with you guys , because this family is so close to us and they are part of our school community . And Craig is the dad and Craig was tragically hit . He was riding his bike on tramway in 40 .
And he was hit by a city bus and he passed away last night . And this is a missionary family . They're missionaries and they have six children and this family serves our community and other communities , god's community so beautifully . Anybody that's come in touch with this family is just better because of them . And I just wanted to share . We're doing .
A GoFundMe account has been put together for this family . We're going to share that link with you guys . I'm telling you this family deserves every bit that we can give to them . And did you want to say something , mike ?
No , I was just going to say give , send go .
Yeah , Give , send , go is the link . We're going to share it in our show notes . And again , they're missionaries . Craig was instrumental in helping out our high school and Ava wants to say a few words because Ava knew him personally as well .
I just I think this whole family is just really good , like it's just full of really good people . You can't think of a bad thing to say about the Hawkwoods family . Craig actually managed part of UNM's Christian outreach program . He worked with them . He did a really great job there . We went on a service trip the junior class last year .
He went with us and he was just like , he's just so good . He was just such a good person . Kenan is such a good kid . He's in my class . I consider him a dear friend and I think he's just wonderful .
His mother , brynn she went on a drama trip with us a couple of days ago and she's like a saint and they're just wonderful people and like , if there's anybody who deserves like our love and support and care , it's this family . They lived in Africa for like 10 years ministering to people there , risking their lives , and they are just like the most .
They're just such good , genuine , kind people and Mr Hockwitz was so kind to me , so kind to my friends , and you could just not like ever come up with a bad thing to say about them . It's just , it's an awful , awful thing that's happened and um , they really deserve like as much of our support as we can give them yeah .
Thanks , ava , it's so true . Like I have one of the sons in my class as well and they're just beautiful people . I've become friends with Miss Brynn and it's heartbreaking today , so we're trying to do what we can here , which is to tell you about this Gives and Go link , if it's in your heart to give to this family .
We know these guys personally and it would be put to great use , this missionary family so and I think when you see two little , two little boys , that are four .
They have twins . They have twin four-year-olds . They have a girl in fourth grade . They have a girl , I believe , in second grade .
And they have dedicated their lives to being the hands and feet of God , and I know when you see something like this happen , it's easy to be like what , how could this ? Where's God in this ? But I can assure you that Craig is standing next to the God he served every single day here .
I guarantee you that and I guarantee you his heart is full and I know it's horrid and it's , but also he is someone who is with the King of King and Lord of Lords . The person he served he is Now . That doesn't make it any easier for everybody else left behind . Right . But also something like this .
I know that there are some people who are like oh my gosh , why would God let this happen ? God brought one of his servants home . Don't forget that .
Yeah , yeah , it's tough Anyway . So we'll post that in our comments on YouTube as well . The link on our look in our comments section .
It'll be in the description of the video as well in the description of the Spotify episode and the Ample Podcast episode .
Okay , perfect . So that's where you can find the link . If you don't see it for some reason , just write to us and we'll make sure that you get that Cause we would really love to see if we can support this family . But I'm sorry to end on such a sad note . Keep this family in your prayers . Mike , thanks for joining us . It's twice today , Twice .
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