¶ Podcast Discussion on "Perfect Wife" Documentary
You and I are told increasingly we have to choose between a left or right . Well , I'd like to suggest there is no such thing as a left or right . There's only an up or down .
This is the no Doubt About it . Podcast . No doubt about it Now your hosts Christy and Mark Runcatti .
We are producing on the fly .
It's shocking .
And it's not even breaking news .
We just are like , hey , we should talk about the documentary we're watching right now , because you kept me up till one in the morning , sir . Yeah , anybody else have a spouse that does that . They get all hooked into a show . I'm like I'm going to bed early , I got to catch up on my rest . I get , anyway , you know , pretty early . Yeah , no , this guy .
He's like , yeah , we'll just wait till the end of this one well , I could just see it .
I mean , and then , we can go to sleep , I promise no , I could see it coming from a mile away three hours later . You believe in this lady who clearly uh , and now we don't know because we're not all the way through this .
It's only three episodes I understand , I'm not saying I believe in this lady . I'm saying I needed some rest .
And sherry papini , yeah , missing woman , missing wife , or what it was called perfect wife , perfect wife , and it's it's the story of a couple in , I think it's northern california , where and this happened in 2016 I think she disappears while out running and she's gone for three weeks , right , right , and then comes back Right and has scant details on what happened
to her . So she was . She was beat up . It looks like she was branded .
It looked like to some degree . Maybe don't tell the whole story in case people haven't seen it yet .
Well , no , no , no but so yeah .
All right , I mean there's proof that she's got some evidence on her that like she has been missing Right Like , and it looks like the evidence was , she was missing no , I mean like when she comes back , it's like evidence that she was taken .
I should say uh , maybe , but so , anyway , we're watching this . We're two-thirds of the way through it . I think she's a total phony , I know mark's like I this .
I don't buy any of her story no I'm like if this chick um can do this kind of damage to herself yeah um , like physically harming herself to this degree . She needs a psych ward . Yeah , really , I'm not saying that she's innocent , I just think there's more to this . I think she's got her own bag of crazy and I think she was kidnapped .
Oh , no , no , no , no , she was not kidnapped . Okay , she absolutely was in on it . Okay , we'll see because we don't know earlier .
Oh we never get things started earlier guys , well , we're going to . We work all day , I cook late at night . Summer is like growing our groove off because we don't have that set schedule that we normally have at schools and plays .
Anyway , that's our family drama , so it's called Perfect Wife . It is compelling .
It's on Hulu .
It's on hulu . It's on hulu . Check it out if you want ? Uh , we're two , two-thirds of the way through .
So we'll see , so we'll see how it checks it yeah , shakes out okay . So a lot of comments coming in um off of the dan lewis yes um episode we had go ahead yeah , oh , I'm sorry , go ahead . You go ahead , and then I'll explain something else , okay I was just going to say that we had a lot of comments coming in off of that show .
Um , dan lewis , councilor Albuquerque , came in to talk about a lot of different issues . Obviously , homelessness was a big one . We hit on Sanctuary city policy . Why that got basically was they were going to try to . Some people in the council had said , hey , let's get rid of this . They voted against that .
He was here to kind of explain what happened with that Fascinating interview with him . If you're interested in more localized politics , I'd say go back and watch that episode .
But I wanted to read some of these because a lot of the comments really had to do with the homelessness issue and the crime issue , which is not just hitting Albuquerque , it hits a lot of major cities . But okay , so Raccoon Little Bear . So today I love that one , raccoon Little Bear , I love your name , by the way
¶ Homelessness Crisis on Central Avenue
. Today I drove down Central Avenue from Louisiana Boulevard to Wyoming and counted 132 homeless people . That's just on one small area of town . It's ridiculous as an understatement .
Yeah , yeah , it's . It is that area of central . You just basically turn on from tramway and head head out to the West , and it is brutal .
Well , and I mean , I was just telling you I was just coming back , I had a PT appointment off of Jefferson and I'm just coming down Jefferson to Osuna , that area kind of where Calvary Church is gas station A guy .
I see a guy kind of start to walk in front of the street , in front of my car and I think , oh , he's just going to try to like book across , like that's what I thought he was doing , it's trying to run across . No , no , no , he was out of his mind . No shirt , no shoes .
And he just stood in the middle . Now you and it is . We have young drivers . I'm like , be very careful on those intersections where you see people begging or asking for anything or just walking out or at night with dark clothes on . They , there's no , they . They don't understand . You know they're out of their minds and they're .
They're running across traffic and if you're someone who hits one of them , it's devastating .
It would wreck your life too , so you know .
And the other thing to think about too and Dan mentioned this , which I thought was was interesting is a lot of the people that you talk to as you try to provide services for people , which we do need to do . I mean , what we're going to have to do is provide services , but that does not include sleeping on the street Like you .
Just that's not the service right . The service isn't to leave you alone and let you die of your addiction on the street . That's not service , that's cruelty . So what you do is provide services for people if they want them . If they don't want the services , then they have to go somewhere else .
But Dan mentioned that people are literally coming here because they're going to be left alone , because you have a mayor's administration who just has a hands-off approach for the most part and doesn't allow not only the police to do their job but service organizations to do their job and to say you got to get off the street and so because of it , this is exactly
what we've seen . We've seen it explode and there's not a single area of the city that is not affected anymore . Everybody has people literally wandering their area .
This is from Andrew and Andrew said I had a friend who used to I think he meant to say buy my jewelry . He was homeless . I let him sleep in my living room , just to wake up and find him asleep on my porch . I asked him why and he said he liked it outside better . Sad to say , he was killed living on the street .
Some people think it's freedom to live on the street and really interesting here , when I was in my small group Bible study when I lived in Los Angeles , we actually kind of like our little active service . It was a small little group that met in our home , in my house , and we delivered sandwiches to the homeless and we gave little cards .
It was like a resource center that you could go to . You could pick up the phone , call somebody . We put money in there for these people to call and pay phones . And one of the guys that we were so adamant about getting was a close friend of a member of our Bible study .
They went to high school together and here we are we're in our mid-20s , late 20s , early 30s when we're doing this and we were set out to try to find this young man and eventually we did and it took several visits with him to convince him to get off the street . And finally , long story short , he goes to this rehab program .
He ends up joining our group , joins our church , gets married , gets a job , all the things .
But he said to us which I thought was fascinating , he said Christy , and he told the whole group this he said you know , I didn't want to get off the street because if I have to get off the street then I have to be responsible , I have to get a job , I have to pay bills and I have to stop doing the drugs and drinking that I'm doing and I'm not
saying that that is every single person that's out there . I'm not trying to just put a big blanket on that , but he said it was easier , even though it was scary at times and not safe . It was easier and that was his choice .
So he of somebody , of convincing them why they should change , like getting to that root cause , which is tough when they're not sober , is what he said . He said sobriety is really the first step in this and until you get people off the drugs and the alcohol , really hard to convince them otherwise to come off that street .
Right . But if you tell them okay , well , we'll give you help , or you can just keep living on the street , Well , they're going to keep living on the street . So if you go to them you say we will give you help , or you have to go somewhere else , and then you're more likely to get help for them .
I just think that if you always provide the backstop of , or you can just keep doing what you're doing , they're going to do that , well , right .
And interesting enough , the guy that was in this group said he made about $70 a day in begging and he was in LA , so a and he was in LA , so a lot more traffic than we have here , and obviously he didn't have any weather to contend with .
It was about 75 degrees all the time , so it wasn't rough living as far as that goes , and so anyway , just an interesting take on all that .
Well , no , it's an issue that I think we can address and we have to address , and the country as a whole has to address it . Oh , absolutely , we're just not addressing it .
And I doesn't mean it's going to get go away or get better , or that we're giving them an active service , because we're really not right so we'll see all right .
A couple other things . The ruidoso situation continues to be tragic yeah , you know 1500 structures destroyed , not sure exactly how many homes . Yet you know , this is a little bit of video from laura bombgartner , uh who , who has a house , I believe , in the area , but just you could see during the middle of this fire was brutal .
Now this thing has calmed down since Tuesday , you know , but Monday was the devastating day , there is no doubt , and , and so we continue to try to get out information on .
If you want to support what's going on down there , there are a lot of charities you can give to as well , and we've been involved in some of those and then what you're likely to see here is everybody return on Monday back to their homes , and this is where the help really begins , which is going to be getting people in there to help rebuild and helping to
get things going again in that area where they suffer so many , you know , big time fires , and this was just another one .
Well , I so , monday , I got some word from some people on the ground there of what was what really was happening , and , um , so I had tweeted out on Monday this I said sources in Rudoso tell me there are concerns about an arsonist lighting fires on the Mescalero Apache Reservation . Going back to last week .
Then this morning , under clear skies , multiple fires break out on the reservation . These are the fires that have forced the evacuation of Rudoso and , of course , cost two people their lives right and cost countless homes . To this point we don't know exactly how many . So we put this out and I think a lot of people it was received fairly well .
Most people were like , yeah , this is a real concern . And I heard from other people in Rudo so we're like absolutely that's what we've been hearing for a week . So this is a huge deal , and whoever did this timed it perfectly with a high wind event where you had winds up to 60 miles per hour and then light multiple fires and they took off .
Right , exactly , but but I thought it was interesting . Of course you got people out there that are like oh , Mark Runketty , just , uh , you know , he's just stirred up trouble again . Here he goes . So this one , I had to clip this one . This is from star bright HQ .
Okay , and she I believe it's a she says why are Mark Runketty and Darren White coming out of their gutters to spread conspiracy theories about fires in Rio Doso ? They're implying arson and their followers are blaming environmental activists . So much vitriol while people are losing everything . It wasn't vitriol , it's fact .
No , it's not . I mean , look , if your first reaction to hearing something is to immediately go political with it , you're the problem . You're the problem . And so we didn't and I didn't tweet this out saying that this was likely arson lightly , I have . You know , I had good sources on this .
We knew it , we knew what was going on and so I said it because I think it matters to people in that community too . If you're someone losing everything you've got , you want to know what the heck happened . Was it a down power line power line ? Was it a lightning strike ? We knew it wasn't a lightning strike .
I know the governor said in her press conference there was some lightning in the area . No , there wasn't , and that's very knowable and it's easy to know . So she shouldn't have said that . But she may have just made a mistake . I don't really know and in fact it doesn't really matter .
But what does matter is the fact that the FBI has now come out and said guess what ? They're looking for an arsonist . So here it is and it said the New Mexico fires are really . They're going to be offered a $10,000 reward if they can find out who lit these fires . So the FBI isn't saying that because they don't know .
The FBI knows it turns out what happened here . The question is , who did it ? And hopefully they will find the people who did this and who knows who they are or where they live or what their background or why they did it .
Yeah , I have no idea .
Well , they did it because they're scumbags , I mean , there's no other way around it . They wanted chaos and they wanted to destroy lives . Well , it worked , and they cost two people their lives .
They should be charged with murder , and hopefully they will find them and they'll catch them and they'll be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law , and so that's important , and so that's why we brought that up .
So anyway and we have a lot of good friends that live in the area and obviously , like you said , there's lots of charity organizations that are getting together now to try to help out these folks that have been displaced or just are having to rebuild now .
So if you're local , or even if you're not and you feel like helping out , there's lots of great charities out there that are helping . So you can just , I mean , google that and you'll find churches , you'll find lots of local communities that are helping out with that . Yep , okay , so back to more national .
Yeah , in just a second . So we should talk about we're going to talk about the debate here , and I do want to make something clear . We are going to have a show , a second show , this week , but it's not going to come until Thursday night because we're going to react to the debate , which I think everybody's going to be quite interested in .
If you're not watching it , I mean , at least tune into our show afterwards , because , holy smokes , how are you not going to watch this debate ?
Oh , I think it's going to be a huge deal and today we're going to break down some of what we think is going to happen . But just realize that we'll have Jay come in and we'll break down everything that's going to happen coming up on Thursday night . So that's that . So just so you know what's going on with that .
So we'll hit some a couple of quick national stories here and then we'll get into some debate .
Okay . So let's talk about Bill Malugin's latest tweet yeah , okay , I mean he's talking about . In a statement to Fox news , ice confirms the Salvadorian , the illegal alien charged with the rape and murder of Rachel Morin , entered the U ? S as a gotaway on or around February 13th 2023 near El Paso , texas .
Prior to that , he was caught by border patrol three separate times in a matter of days and was expelled to Mexico via the fight title 42 each time . So he lists the time that they were that he was um but he came through .
He came through New Mexico , came through New Mexico .
So that's he rapes and kills a woman .
And that's just one of the cases that we have been highlighting on this show of why people are starting you know , I mean not starting but are so furious about the fact that these are crimes that were easily could been , could not have happened , Like we could have potentially not have these had these folks not been able to come in , these criminals be able to
come and cross our border .
Right . So that's the . That's the Rachel Warren story . There was an Ecuadorian illegal charged with rape and kidnapping of a 13 year old girl in New York City . He was caught and released in 2021 . And then two Venezuelan illegal aliens charged with murdering a 12-year-old , jocelyn Nuregre , in Houston , both caught and released at the border this year .
Yeah , and the illegal Venezuelan that killed that 12-year-old in Houston . He cut off his ankle monitor too , right . So , again , ankle monitors aren't protecting anybody . These are like hey , we'll give you a court date soon , won't help you out . It's not protecting our citizens , it's . It's these people are that are coming in Not everybody .
But not everybody that's coming across have good intentions . Not everybody that's coming across right now are like , hey , yeah , I'm just looking for an extra job or a better way of living . That's not what's happening , and so I just feel like what are we going to have to do ? Wait until some major , tragic thing happens .
Well , major , tragic things are happening every day , though If you're those families , it's already happened Right , and so what we're asking for is a is a better system to monitor people , and then stop with the catch and release . I mean stop and stop with the sanctuary cities .
The sanctuary cities in Albuquerque is one of them is a huge part of this , because you have people that have come into the country , committed a crime , and then you're not looping in the feds to say deport them .
Yeah , hey . This guy is here illegally and he's created a violent offense . I don't understand how we're protecting that over our citizens . I will never understand that . It doesn't make any sense to me . And when you see Mayor Keller kind of bragging about our immigrant safe city , like it's not safe , it's , you know . It's not immigrant friendly .
This is , I guarantee you . If you actually listen to the people that came here legally , guess what ? They're not looking for having violent offenders in here any more than the rest of us are . They're not . They don't want their kids to be unsafe . They're not looking for their families to be battling it out with criminals from Venezuela or Ecuador or whoever .
It's absolutely true , and when you look at what's happened to the policy of the country because of what Biden has done with the border and the constant drumbeat of new crimes that we're hearing about , very violent crimes that are costing the most innocent people in this country their lives , now what you see is the country is moving right on immigration policy , and
so I want you to listen to this clip from CBS , where the White House has asked about this , and it's interesting to hear their reaction .
And yet , tom , a lot of voters seem to think it's not the smart thing to do . Cbs News polling recently found that 62 percent of Americans are in favor of a national program to deport all undocumented immigrants all 11 million of them . So how much support do you think there would be for the White House plan that was announced today ?
I'd love to sit down with your polling team and show them how they've gotten this wrong .
There we go . The polling team is wrong . That's the White House's reaction . And , by the way , this was asked on the same day last week that Biden opened up more people for amnesty . That's that's . His answer to this is is open .
Yeah , we'll just make it illegal for you . Are legal for you to be here now .
Right , right . So you know . The reality is the whole White House perception , which the White House does this and Biden does this on a variety of issues . You're wrong , right , you're wrong . Your polling's wrong , you're wrong . And so what effectively has happened is now you have 62% of the country .
My guess is that number will go to 65 or 68% once this continues . So it's completely untenable and I think it's hurting this administration badly .
Right , it's . I mean and I hate to use the expression too much but it's gaslighting at its very core . Like hey , let's just keep telling you you're not seeing what you're seeing right , so don't believe your own eyes . Like we'll tell you what you need to believe . Here's another one of those .
I mean this hit just came out like prices are still skyrocketing at the 7% inflation . This was on the Hill this week and it talks about that . Home prices hit a record high in May . Okay , so the median house price of existing homes sold in May was about $419,000 . That's a record high .
It's up 5.8% from this time last year , according to the National Association of Realtors , and this is the largest gain in prices since 2022 . So it's 50% higher than they were even five years ago .
Well , mortgage prices have doubled Right Unbelievable In five years . The price you pay to live in your home for most Americans is doubled .
That's crazy .
Yeah , it's super , it's unaffordable at the end of the day . And here's another and remember why this happened , though . Remember why interest rates were skyrocketed ? Because the inflation that was brought in in 2021 with the Inflation Reduction Act , it skyrocketed , prices right , and they had no other way to deal with it other than to raise interest rates .
So now you have high prices on the food front , on the gas front , on the energy front , and now you add the housing front to this . So you wonder why this administration is in massive trouble .
It's because everything they touch becomes more expensive , and as much as they sit there and say , oh , it doesn't matter whether the border or prices or everything else , things are really good , economy is really good . Clearly , that's not true , and you know you're in real trouble when your answer to all your problems is turns out it's not true . It's crazy .
Well , I mean in the irony of naming the bill the Inflation Reduction Act , and then it just actually did the very opposite of that .
So anyway , that's a whole nother day .
OK , A story that came out is how expensive , how much does a family of four actually have to make to live in the state in which they live ? Okay , so I thought this was kind of fascinating . How much do you have to make bare minimum , just to get by ?
Yeah , so the salary of a family in the US that needs to get by is more than $150,000 , which is in most of the most expensive states . Sorry , but basically just across the board , an average , a family of four needs at least $106,000 just to get by a family of four . Okay , so I kind of broke it down because it was . It was just basic expenses .
They didn't count like entertainment , they didn't count charity and they didn't count travel .
This was just they don't encounter investment in your retirement or any of that Correct .
This was literally rent , food and probably clothing , things like that , gas , transportation and healthcare . So the most expensive states . It's not going to come as any surprise to anybody . Here's the top five Massachusetts , hawaii , connecticut , new York and California . Massachusetts came in number one .
You needed over $150,000 a year for a family of four just to get by .
Yeah , all high-tax tax , high regulation states , every one of them .
Right , and does anybody want to name , anybody want to say if it's a red or blue state ?
I'm just pretty sure they're all blue .
Yeah , let's just keep going with that . So I just went down because I wanted to see , like , okay , what's the average salary here in New Mexico ? What's like a median ?
Your income's around 30-ish thousand 30,000 here for New Mexicans .
Well , according to this survey , it said that in New Mexico , an annual income needed for a family of four is over $101,000 , just to get by . So I'm sorry , but how many more times are you going to be told that the economy is fine and this isn't going to impact anybody , and just hey , everything's great ?
Well , my problem with this , too , is another angle , which you're exactly right on that , but not only that . It's that we now have the richest government that we've ever had in the state of New Mexico . We have , literally , year over year , billions of extra dollars that never get returned to people who desperately need it to keep up with rising costs .
None of it . And so we have legislators in Santa Fe who look and go we're a rich state , yeah yeah , you're rich , brother , the rest of us are not . So start returning some of that money , through either lower taxes or an oil and gas revenue share , back to the people of your state that are struggling . They're the ones who earn the money , not the government .
The government isn't earning anything , but they're the ones getting rich . So how about it ?
Yeah , I mean , how about it ? Well , that would take common sense , mark , and I don't think we have time for that .
I agree , we are out of time for common sense .
We've run out of time . No more time for common sense , so let's move on to more foolishness .
Okay .
Interesting take , though , by Cuomo , former Governor Cuomo out of New York . Okay , on this whole Trump trial . Yeah .
And here's a guy that you would not think the Trump corner per se . Well , he's definitely not , but but yes , I think he he gave . He was on Bill Maher this week and gave an assessment of what the deal is with the Trump trial . And again , he also used to be I believe he wasn't . He wasn't just governor , he was also a G of of the state of New York .
So here's what he said about this Trials in New York .
New Yorkers said the justice system is politicized and you want to talk about a threat to democracy when you have this country believing you're playing politics with the justice system and you're trying to put people in jail or convict them for political reasons , then we have a real problem .
If his name was not Donald Trump and if he wasn't running for president from the former AG in New York , I'm telling you that case would have never been brought , and that's what is offensive to people and it should be .
There you go . Yeah , I mean it's interesting , I mean it shows you why and there's been some movement in the polls , but not a big slide in the polls after the conviction because I think a lot of this is baked in that people are like yep , this is political .
No , no matter where you , even if you aren't going to vote for Trump , right , you just say that this is clearly political . So it's interesting . I'm surprised he was that honest , cause I do think he has other desires going forward here .
I do think he's not done in politics , andrew Cuomo , so we'll see what happens with him but it's an interesting thing , so all right . So let's get into a couple of different things . We want to talk a little bit about what's happening with Biden and rehabbing his image .
Then we're going to get into some debate tactics that I think are likely going to be a factor in this debate coming up . Okay , so I want to start with Karine Jean-Pierre .
Yeah , Hardest working woman in the country . She really is .
She is running circles around herself in the country she really is , she is , she is , she's running circles around herself .
And so they're going out now in this whole new thing on cheap fakes right , where they call them cheap fakes , where , where you're watching video , uncut video of Biden , and suddenly they're calling it fake right or saying , basically it's not real . So this was very interesting and I want you to focus on something .
So we'll we'll listen to this first and then we'll kind of talk about it . Really confused .
Listen to this first and then we'll kind of talk about it . I'm wondering if the White House is especially worried about the fact that this appears to be a pattern that we're seeing more and more .
Yeah , and I think you all have called this the cheap fakes video , and that's exactly what they are . They are cheap fakes video .
They are done in bad faith and some of your news organization have been very clear , have stressed that these right-wing , the right-wing critics of the president , have a credibility problem because of the fact-checkers have repeatedly caught them pushing misinformation , disinformation , and so we see this and this is something coming from your part of the world calling them
cheap fakes and misinformation .
Okay , okay . Listen to what you just heard there . You heard a spokesman from the White House , teaming up with the major media organizations , to say hey , we got to put a stop to this . We got to work together . You guys are helping us do this . That is not the job of the press and , by the way , cheap fakes is made up off of deep fakes .
But they know they can't call it deep fakes because they're real .
Right , right , so they have to come up with a new name , yeah .
And so what is so dangerous about this is when you have the white house teaming up with major media to say don't believe your eyes . Here comes the worst gaslighting operation that I think I've ever seen . And this is why this is so dangerous , because you have all these major media organizations saying to the white house yep , you got it , you got it .
What do you need us to do ? We'll put a stop to this . And there's nothing to stop . You see Biden being led off a stage by Barack Obama . You're seeing Biden be led off a stage by Barack Obama , like it is what it was .
Right , and so there's no way around it . They're trying to blame AI on everything . So let's watch a little clip here . It's like a little mashup of all these major media outlets kind of framing this together Like , hey , what you're seeing is not really what you're seeing . This is just a pull by crazy right-wingers .
Right , and you make a great point , because what we're about to see in this clip is exactly what Karine Jean-Pierre was laying out . Yeah , she was laying out the marching orders .
Please do this , and here's what they did with that .
It's a narrative that Joe Biden is an old man . Of course , and I'm not disputing that he's not 81 years old , but we are going to separate the fact from the fiction .
Is there a lot of videos going around about President Biden on social media ? These videos .
I mean , they're blatant lies .
They are lying to their audience , making up and distorting things about the current president , trying to get people to believe visuals that aren't real .
The videos are oftentimes made up Deceptively edited videos known as cheap fakes .
A cheap fake At least that's what the White House calls this viral video of President Biden .
The White House says there's a cheap fake problem . Cheap fakes , cheap fakes , cheap fakes Videos of real events that are intentionally manipulated . We're hearing about so-called cheap fakes , cheap fakes , cheap fakes .
Cheap , fakes Cheap fakes . Distorted , out of context , videos chopped up in certain ways , constructed in certain ways , certain ways , constructed in certain ways . Look at him , look at Biden .
It is not true he was fine , but they are creating this narrative the technology is just going to get more and more efficient at making these videos look more and more real when they're really not .
Okay , you know what's interesting about that Playing that back . That's the second time I've watched that . Yeah , when you back it against what Jean-Pierre said . Whatever Korean Jean-Pierre said , she said . She said this is what you guys are calling it media . You're calling it the cheap fakes .
If you listen to what the media said right there , they said the White House is calling this cheap fakes . It is an interesting . It's just like hey , here's the press release on what we want you to say . Now .
Every time somebody you see a video of Joe Biden going like this he's just standing there and somebody has to take him off the stage , or he's like walking around and it looks like he doesn't know what he's doing . There's AI in it , it's crazy to watch .
I am like this is insane , and what really scares me is that CBS National News also said that these are cheap fakes .
I'm sorry , but that's where we are now . Abc does it , cbs does it , cnn does it , msnbc does it , the New York Times does it , the Washington Post does it , like this is all just working in one line . That's why people now don't believe anything anymore , because they're like what are we supposed to believe and how are we supposed to do it ?
So that's why I think , when you get these unvarnished events that occur every once in a while in a campaign and in this particular campaign , the debate's going to be one of those , even though you're likely to see help from CNN for Joe Biden during the debate . I would not surprise me , but I don't know , though . Jake Tapper is not .
He's not some crazy partisan right Now . I think Jake Tapper leans left Okay , there's no doubt I do believe that . However , I Now I think Jay Tapper leans left . Ok , there's no doubt I do believe that . However , I don't . I also think he wants to do a good job more than anything else . I really , I really do believe that too .
So we'll see what happens with this debate . But I want to go through a couple of things , and it remind me . I ran into a friend of mine , john De La Rosa , and we were talking about what's with the governor's debates and the negotiations before the debate in 2022 .
And so I figured you know what I kind of forgot , and I was like you know , I'll tell that story on the podcast because it was kind of interesting .
So , if you remember back , the first debate we had in 2022 was on KOB , and so we went back and forth with the governor on what we were going to do , how many debates we were going to have everything like that . Well , the governor on what we were going to do , how many debates we were going to have , everything like that .
Well , the governor comes to us and says look , I'm not standing next to him . That's what she basically said , and the reason why is that I don't think she had some antipathy toward me , necessarily .
I think there's a significant height difference and she didn't just slightly , and she didn't want to see , you know , didn't want to look that way , and she also , she had a bad knee . She did , she had a bad knee at the time . So so we do these negotiations back and forth .
Well , I then went and said , well , listen , I can't sit down , I have a bad back . I let her know that . I said , listen , we can't do this . So her people are like he has a bad back . I'm like , yeah , my back is sore and you can .
You can attest to the fact yeah , I do have a bad . You actually have a broken back , I think . But regardless of the fact , I'm sorry , I'm a debate person . I come from a debate background , not as much as like a political debate , but you stand up during a debate , okay ? You don't sit down .
Well , she wanted to sit , so then we eventually settled on she could sit and I'll stand . So this is what it looked like on Channel 4 . Look at the microphone in her face . I mean , it was just so I was standing and she was sitting . Okay , so in that look was fine .
You couldn't totally tell this one wasn't as bad to me as the KOAT vision , because the KOAT one , well , we'll get to . Yeah , her arms , she was furious .
Now we'll get to that in a second , but but anyway . So this is how it looked there . They had to do the split screen , because you could not do show us both in the same shot , right ? So they had no option on the split screen . So it was either do the split screen or nothing at all . So they , they did the split screen . The mic was up in her face .
It was weird . It was kind of a weird deal . So , but that debate , that first KOB debate the reason I want to draw this back to the presidential debate is , in a debate when you're one-on-one and there's not a third candidate , you have no time to rest . Really , you have no time to kind of regain your composure .
You're going back and forth with each other and the thing that you have to be able to do is you have to be able to take what your opponent says , process it and then come back and hit them with it , right ? I mean , that's just what the job is in that particular case .
So I want to play you a clip of the governor going after me on crime , because the first 15 minutes of that KOB debate was crime and it was . I think it was . It worked very well for us , but so she has to attack me . She's an aggressive debater and we knew that .
But we kind of tried to have an idea of what she was going to say , but we didn't know for sure .
So when you prepare , you don't know in a debate exactly what somebody is going to say , and so when she started talking I had to go take what she said , process it , and I think it's going to be interesting to see if Biden or Trump how good they're going to be at doing that .
Okay , and .
I think Biden could well have problems with it , and maybe Trump will too . I don't really know . But so let's just . I want you to listen to what our exchange is here . I'll stop it right after Michelle finishes and then we'll do with my response . But here's what . Michelle basically went after me and defended herself on crime .
Governor , you have up to a minute for a rebuttal Bold words from someone who's never even been to a legislative session , who's never had to deal with any of these issues directly , never even been to a legislative session , who's never had to deal with any of these issues directly .
For someone who's failing to admit that we have 400 fewer officers from his mentor , former Governor Susana Martinez , when he talks about lower correction stats . You know what that is Fewer arrests . You know why we have fewer arrests Because we have fewer police officers .
In fact , the 50 million actually it's now 72 million that we're spending to have more police officers and give raises is available for raises statewide . That is just false and in fact , in the last governor's administration , four more 4,000 more individuals were released . He wants you to focus on the things that he can't do or build .
If we continue to make the investments , hold people accountable and make sure that we're getting the public safety resources that we need and , quite frankly , working together , I have no doubt that violent offenders , including the enhanced penalties , get off our streets and those criminals get off our streets .
Stop right there and we'll pick it back up in my response . When I'm listening to that right In real time , I'm like did she really just say I don't know about dealing with crime because I don't go to a legislative session ? I was like , oh gold , so I knew that one . I was going to bury her on that , right , right .
But then and then she goes and defends and shifts blame to the cops , right , right . And so those are the two things . When you're listening to that , you like , you jump on those , you jump on a couple of different things and then you hammer away at those and then you make your own point .
Plus , I know we'll listen to your point in just one second , but it's interesting to me that she attacked you on her bad policy of crime , like she , all the things that she's saying that she could do , she had . She had four years to have done it and she hadn't done it yet very true .
So it's just very true I mean , I felt like that was a bit of a word salad from her . If I'm like just judging her on a debate side of things , I'm like what is she doing here ?
right , right , no , no , there's no doubt .
I don't , I don't think she's your point today .
But yeah , no , no no , but I don't think . Yeah , true , but , but you are picking out stuff where you say okay , so , so I hammered her , then that was her response to me , and then here's going back at her again .
And guns on our streets , Mark .
Governor , I'm happy to have any discussion you would like , and it's funny that you say that I don't understand this , because I haven't been to a legislative session . Are you kidding me ? Everybody in Albuquerque lives it , governor . We live it . We live the crime every day .
You don't have to go to the roundhouse because you guys don't have any crime in the roundhouse . It's the exact reason that you're so out of touch with the problems that we have . You blame fewer arrests on fewer cops , when you make it easier to sue cops so we can't recruit them . You've got to be kidding . We can do better than this .
We can absolutely do better than this . And the fact of the matter is you say hold people accountable , you've done anything , but you have a parole board that has a mantra when in doubt , let them out . That's what they keep doing . We've had enough . And this isn't a partisan issue .
I know plenty of Democrats who look at this and say we can do better than this . I know plenty of independents . All of us realize we have to change , but he can't be a 30 year politician that talks about going to the roundhouse as a solution . All right .
So yeah , very good , I have to say that was still thank you very much . And I still look at that and go , yeah , all all that's true . All the things that you you posed out there , or stuff that we need to have happen that are still not happening to this day , yeah , they may not be , but it's .
But that's not what we're arguing today .
I understand , but that's what I'm arguing yeah , no , I totally get it , I totally get it , but .
but the point being in all of this is and you can see how much she enjoys my , my retort to her the look on her face is like if I could jump over here and kill this guy . I would but but the point being in all of this was you .
You pivot and again , what will be interesting about the Trump Biden debate will be how is Joe's ability to pivot and to be able to fight back , and how effective will Trump be at this , because this format may not fit Trump very well either .
So just one thing to watch there , and that is when you listen to a response of a person , you don't know what that response is going to be . Now , I did have a line in there that we prepped . I did have a prepped line , which was the line on the parole board when in doubt , let them out .
We , you know , I thought of that one earlier and I said I got to get this in somehow , some way .
Well , just because , whatever we was feeling , the revolving door is something we've heard about forever , right .
In the parole board . You hear about what they do and so you add that in and you go back after that notice she never addressed the parole board . No , she doesn't want to actually tell what she's done , right ?
like that's the whole thing , is like her job was just to go like you have no experience . You have no experience , you have no experience and you , yeah , I have 30 years , I'm failing our state .
But whatever like right , but that's going to be what biden's going to try to do too right and the difference is in this debate with Biden is this debate and I went back and watched the other Biden Trump debates and what's interesting is those debates were all about Trump they were all about Trump because he was the sitting president .
That's what's going to be different about this debate is this debate largely is likely to be about Biden's policies , if Trump can do it the right way , and so Biden , by the way , totally different person , and we'll get to that in just a second . But but it constantly was focused on on on Trump . So I think that will be helpful going forward .
Now , as far as the second debate goes , in the governor's race , we , when we did that one , that one became because I think we handled the governor to a point where her people went back to her and said you got to be more aggressive , and she was fairly aggressive in the Channel 4 debate . She was fairly aggressive in the channel four debate .
She was very aggressive in the channel seven debate . Okay , Physically looking , and she was very yeah she was not .
It was not having me , but anyway , what , what ? What I want to get to in this is I want to talk a little bit about especially when you get into one of these situations , you there are going to be times and I guarantee you , both Biden and Trump will have a hit that they have to get in . They have to get in .
So the hit I knew I had to get in on the governor was the lawsuit and her $150,000 for the sexual harassment Right , and so I kind of got her with it . And then I knew I hadn't done it well enough . So we got to the personal questions , where she asked me a question . So I didn't care what the question was going to be .
And this is going to happen in this presidential debate . It doesn't matter what the question is , you've got to hit , you've got to get in , so it doesn't matter . So she asked me about an abortion drug , whether I knew what an abortion drug was , called misoprostol or whatever it is . I don't . And I was like so .
So my point was I was worried she may ask me some real question that I couldn't just immediately slap away . But I did so . So what you'll see here is she asked Mark , do you know what my , my supprosal is ? And then I want to play my response , because my response has nothing to do with my supprosal , right , it just doesn't .
I don't even care what that is , and so so this was just a pivot .
And then go back after her and and you will see , obviously again she's sitting and so she's kind of crumpled up and she's not real happy with this , her little arms are like propped up on a desk .
Well , yeah , yeah , she's not not thrilled , but the point being in all of this is and you're going to see this in this presidential debate there are going to be questions and then you're not going to hear anything related to that question . You're going to hear a absolute savage takedown of the other side , whoever happens to be doing it .
So that was our effort here . So here is that , and as it went down , here we go again . This is what 25 years in government gets you . This gets you a governor who wants to play Jeopardy .
She wants to go and get out of Trebek wound up .
Let me see what I can ask and let me tell you something , governor People have had enough of the political games . It's garbage . At this point and let's talk about this you said you've been more transparent than any governor in history . Governor , you grabbed a male staffer's crotch a gay male and then you said is there anything down there ?
You then paid him $150,000 , governor , and then you made him shut up about it . And now you have the gall to sit up here and not only victimize James Hallinan , but you re-victimize him . If you remember back , you said during the Andrew Cuomo scandal if you don't believe those who go and bring these charges , then you're re-victimizing .
So you're victimizing , re-victimizing and now , and the topper of all toppers , you're creating yourself as the victim . Governor , this is the sort of thing that people cannot stand . You've never come clean . You've never said look , I made a mistake , here we go . You've just continued to lie about this issue time after time after time .
And let me tell you about experience .
lie about this issue time after , time after time . And let me tell you about experience .
Experience , especially the experience we need in this office , is someone with character , someone who has been in tough situations and doesn't lie about them , doesn't belittle people and doesn't try to shrink other people to make themselves feel better . You , on a regular basis , do that , in every single way . You shut down stores and then you go jewelry shopping .
You shut down our ability to see our families and then you hold parties and then you keep our kids out of school and you roll up to Navajo Lake and you have a party with your friends while we're on lockdown . You are a hypocrite , governor , okay , so ?
Okay , no , you go first , because I have something I want to say .
No , I just think in those moments . So you practice that you know you want to hit those things no-transcript .
You could have been a decent human here and you could have just apologized for your actions and said I messed up . Like to me , you were , like it was very fatherly when you were saying that you were like you messed up and you should have done the right thing . Like you didn't come off like just scalding hot .
You really just was like common sense , like it was almost like a father speaking to her in that moment . And I see that so clearly now .
I mean , looking back at that as well , that it wasn't rocket science what you have to do as a leader , but you have to have good character and to me , that is still my biggest issue and I think that that's going to be .
It'll be interesting to see , as this next debate rolls down , what do we see that's true character from both Trump and from Biden in this debate .
Well , it's going to be interesting and I do think it's going to be a huge deal . So before we break down those two and what they might do in a second here , I want to play a clip from Van Jones . He a man of the left , who says that this debate is going to be epic in the respect that it's going to tip things one way or another .
This is the entire election . As far as I'm concerned , the entire world will be watching . If you are a carbon-based life form , you're going to be watching . If you've got a functioning brain stem , you're going to be watching . Because if Biden goes out there and messes up , it's game over .
If he walks out there and a week later he's lower in the polls , it's panic in the party . But if he goes in there and he can handle himself against Donald Trump a runaway train , a locomotive , a raging bull then this guy deserves another shot to be president . Because that is tough . You couldn't do it , I couldn't do it .
If you can stand toe to toe with a runaway train like Donald Trump for an hour and a half , you are fit to be president . Period , point blank . This is the whole presidency .
Okay , I think it's interesting what he did there . He pulled a little sleight of hand , which was this is a huge deal and Biden's got to do it the right way or it's over . And then he lowers the bar to be like well , trump's a one-way train . I couldn't do it , you couldn't .
Nobody can do it Give me a break .
So what they're going to do is going to lower the bar enough that , no matter what he does , short of just a complete meltdown it will be . It'll be like the state of the union . Incredible effort by Biden .
Oh yeah , they're going to sing his praises .
Right , right , so I do think that's likely to happen . Now , how is it going to go ? How does the format work ? Remember , you've got two CNN anchors there . No , no , no crowd , nothing like that . So Trump's best stuff is when he just slides in with like a quick quip or a quick little shot that is unplanned .
Some of what we talked about before Right , and so the most legendary one of all time with Trump was when he was debating Hillary Clinton .
This is my favorite .
Okay , here it is .
It's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law in our country .
Because you'd be in jail , Secretary Clinton .
So I mean the face was like yeah , I'll give that one , yeah , I mean it's like yeah , I walked right into that , but notice the crowd right behind goes .
Everybody goes crazy , right , so that's something that usually helps Trump . And everybody goes crazy , right , so that's something that usually helps Trump . And so another one was during the Republican debates in 2016, . Trump and Jeb Bush often went back and forth , and here's another example this is the Trump that .
That , that is , is a problem If you're if you're on the stage with them and you can hear kind of what he does to Jeb Bush in this exchange .
This is a tough business .
You're a tough guy .
And we need to have a leader that is real tough You're never going to be president of the United States by insulting your way to the presidency .
I'm at 42 and you're at three so far .
I'm doing better .
So far I'm doing better . You know you started off over here , jeb . You're moving over further and further . Pretty soon you're going to be off the end .
Okay , so he's a little bit of a bully there's a bully there .
He was a bully there .
There's no doubt he was a bully there and that paid off for him in that situation . The problem was that as he got into 2020 and he debated Biden , he came in too hot again .
Yeah .
Right . And so if you go back and you look at that debate and when we watched it he just kept jumping in and jumping in and jumping in here's some of what that sounded like .
Speak . You should go out and vote . You're in voting now . Vote and let your senators know how strong you feel . Let vote now . Make sure you in fact let people know you're a senator . I'm not going to answer the question .
Why wouldn't you answer that question ? Because the question is , the question is . The question is Will you shut ? Up man . Listen who is on your list , joe .
This is so . All right , gentlemen , I think we've ended this . This is so unpresidential .
He's going to pack the court . We have ended this segment .
We we have ended this segment , we're going to move on to the second segment . That was really a productive segment , wasn't it ? Keep , yeah , okay . So now , in fairness to Trump , this was a two-on-one debate .
Chris Wallace was working . Oh , on team Biden .
It was terrible actually , as you go back and watch it . It was just bad .
Well , I think too , though , like I do think , even as a viewer the thing that was annoying about the Republican primary debates this year was when people just kept jumping in on each other , like after a while you're like enough . Like let the person speak , let them say what they need to say . Next person , you know you jump in .
I mean , if it's one thing , that's a quick quip or something that's different , but trying to not let the person get their word out , I think that looks foolish and unprofessional .
So for me , trump was too aggressive there and I think and here's what's kind of interesting thought , you know , when it's a guy I know this was brought up in the primary debates for the Republican side Be careful for the guys . Are they going to go after Nikki Haley too hard ? Are they going to look too tough on Nikki Haley Cause she's a woman ?
Remember all that that talk . So now is Trump going to have to like leverage himself so he doesn't look like a bully to the older guy who's not really with it ? Well , I think it's an interesting point Like is it a handicap ?
It's an interesting point . I think he doesn't want to look too bullish in this situation for a different reason , and I understand your point , but the reason being let Biden talk . Let , and I understand your point .
But the reason being let .
Biden talk , let him speak , let him go . And so that's the one thing where I don't think he did that in 2020 . He didn't let him finish , let him finish , let him finish . A coherent thought , hit him on it and see if he can come back at you .
But is he going to do that ? That's not , that's not really Trump . Trump is the guy . That's like . I want the laugh , I want the hit I want to I want the jab .
There's nobody in the room , so therefore , trump has to be able to feel what maybe is going on , even though he doesn't get the feedback from the room . It's interesting . It's why this is going to be a fascinating debate .
And I'm hearing that they're going to actually mute Trump's mic . Oh , both their mics both their mics when the when the other one's not answering Right . So Biden's going to have the floor . They're going to mute down Trump's mic and vice versa .
I don't think that necessarily hurts Trump necessarily .
Right .
I think that's also a big benefit to Trump , I think they'll prepare him well , and Biden , I think will be more juiced . You know like they'll juice him up again .
What are they going to give him ?
like 18 packs of Red Bull I will tell you this , and so I want to show you one more quick clip , and I want you to note the differences now in Biden's even his . The way he speaks now is different than the way he spoke even in 2020 .
And so you'll hear some of this , and then you'll hear Chris Wallace teaming up to to go after Trump , so there may be some of this team up happening again that that you could well have to expect to see .
But one more quick little thing before we get off this President , your campaign agreed to both sides would get two minute answers uninterrupted . Well , your side agreed to it , and why don't you observe what your campaign agreed to as a ground rule ? Ok , sir , he never keeps his word .
No , no , no , I'm not asking , that was a rhetorical question . Go ahead , sir , 30 seconds . Yes , you may have All right , whatever you'd like he was not a loser . He was a patriot . And the people left behind . There were heroes .
And .
I resent Mike Hill . Are you talking about Hunter ? Are you talking about Hunter ?
I'm talking about my son , beau Biden .
You're talking about Beau , I don't know I don got thrown out of the military . He was thrown out , dishonorably discharged . That's not true . He wasn't cocaine use and he didn't have a job until you became vice president . Once you became vice president .
he made a fortune in Ukraine , in China , in Moscow , in various other places . He made a fortune . My son , Okay .
Okay , so , um , so that all being true , actually , but well , yeah , actually now Biden looks like a bigger liar , because all that has come out now as total truth . Well , so .
So you get into some of that stuff , but it's just interesting . You see , biden was more wit . You know was . I don't know that he's going to be that same . It'll be interesting to see .
Oh .
I don't think he's going to . I agree with you . So that's why Trump has to let him talk , has to let him get the and then and then be disciplined and hammer away .
How stressed out are his debate team preppers right now Biden's .
Which one Both of them , I think would be pretty stressed out . I mean , I don't think they're going to sleep .
They're going to lose their hair .
Yeah , no , if it goes very badly which could this could throw everything into a complete tailspin . And if it does and this is one of the cases we've made on this show is again , we're going to get out of here before the end of the hour . I promise , and that is that when you look at this , there are people on the Democratic side who could step in .
That could be a force to be reckoned with . So if you're Republicans , you want Joe Biden out . Well , be careful what you wish for , because on Fox Friends this past week , the governor of Maryland stepped in , governor Moore , and this was an interesting exchange with Brian Kilmeade .
Perhaps he goes . This is going to be a test for Governor Moore , because people think he's going to be presidential material and if he can get this done quickly , this would be a great launching pad for him . So far , you're doing it , and that's why people are floating your name as a possible President Biden replacement .
Should the wheels come off come the August convention , your reaction I am .
I am full , I'm full throated in my support of President Biden because I know so much of the momentum that we've been able to see in the state of Maryland . You know , when I was first inaugurated we were 43rd in unemployment . Now we have amongst the lowest unemployment rates in the entire country that we've been able to .
We've been able to slash the homicide rates and the violent crime rates in the state of Maryland , where Baltimore now is the fastest drop of homicides of almost any major American city in this country . We've done it because we've moved bipartisan . We've done it because we've moved and built bridges .
We've done it in partnership with the Biden administration and I'm excited for another four years .
Okay , stop right there . Here's what's smart about what he did . He talked about crime addressing crime , addressing the economy and being bipartisan Right . Smart , yeah , smart . So , if you want- .
And he also Biden and say I'll be glad to step in if I can't do it .
He just said here .
This is what I've done in my own state . This is how good I am on policy . Look at what I've done . And . I support Biden 100% .
It was good , it was very smooth , yeah , I'm just saying so this whole thought process of Biden going to bounce , and we've said it , we think he's going to get bounced no-transcript .
There's no way they're pushing Joe through on that August convention . Okay , good prediction , we'll see , let's move on to another topic really fast .
Yeah .
I know we're running out of time but really kind gave this little quip . I really wanted us to play . It's on school choice , which is always a big conversation , especially in a state like New Mexico where we , you know , we definitely believe in school choice . You talked about it was part of your education idea .
It's important , I think , just in general , of understanding why school choice is so important . She kind of hits the nail on the head .
I thought we should play this one . This is good . So are you for school choice or not . We already have a choice system in education . If you are of means , you will move to a district where the schools are good and the houses are expensive , like Palo Alto , california .
If you go across the street from Stanford , palo Alto High has a performance art center that looks like a smaller version of Stanford's . If you're really wealthy , you will send your kids to private schools . So who's stuck in failing neighborhood schools ? Poor kids , a lot of them minority kids . So how can you say you're for civil rights ?
How can you say you're for the poor when you're condemning those children to not being able to read ? By the time they're in third grade , they're never going to read .
So if you want to say that school choice and vouchers and charter schools are destroying the public schools , fine , you write that editorial in the Washington Post , but then don't send your kids to Sidwell Friends .
Yeah , she's just right . I mean , how come she can't be VP ?
She's great .
She's great . I mean , I've always liked her . Yeah , her book's really good too .
No , but it is so true , it is this whole thought process and we see it in this state all the time . You have legislators that stand in the way of charter schools in the state of New Mexico and school choice in the state of New Mexico , because they're going to continue to conscribe kids to go to failing schools and it's an awful approach .
Right , awful approach , right , and we've talked . We'll talk about this more , I promise you , as we get towards the school you're starting again .
We'll do a bunch of that .
We're a big proponent of aps is way too large of a school district anyway , and it's just it needs to be .
It needs reform yeah , and school choice needs to be part of that . All right , one last clip we're gonna know we're doing two .
No we're okay well , which one are you gonna do ?
because I which one do you want to do ?
well , I think they're both good . Okay , but which one are you ?
gonna do no . No , it's all right , I'll do the um celtics , okay , all right . Uh , boston celtics won the nba title . Uh , congratulations to them . I don't care about the nba but I will say when I saw this clip I was just heartened to see it .
The celtics have a , a coach who's very much a christian and puts that out in front to people so that he can , he can walk that that walk and talk about Christ . And he does that and so does his team .
This was pretty cool . Obviously for us , for me , our faith is the most important thing , number one . We got the best fans in the world . Just my faith in the most high , just believing in my teammates my coaching staff and just being grateful .
A lot of hard work , but I'm so proud to be part of this team and that it happened now . La gloria a Dios . Gloria a Dios .
Glory to the Lord man .
First of all , god is the greatest , not because we won , but to put me in positions to maximize my God-given ability to surround me with these guys , my family .
This is an incredible feeling , so cool , I mean . I even think that's better than when you get an award show for the movies where they're like thank God and then thank everybody else . It felt so true and genuine with these guys it was very cool .
It was more heartfelt , absolutely .
You showed me this horrifying video .
Yeah .
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Lee Greenwood starting things . And there's a big bull running around , running around in Sisters Oregon and you can hear them singing . It's great .
Yeah , you're like . Oh , the audience is singing in .
I think , it's all about patriotism .
Nope , bull jumps over the fence .
The bull jumped out of the arena and ran into the causeway , took a lady out .
Yeah , and he's bucking this lady with his arm or whatever , just flips her .
Yeah , by the way , she ended up being fine . She went to the hospital , was checked out . This guy got hit .
I mean , he's just like .
Unbelievable . We need .
Kenyon Burns in here , our rodeo commentator , to be in here and be like , listen , I can't do Kenyon , I can't do Kenyon's voice .
I mean he's tough . It's hard to do Kenyon , but it is thankful that they're all okay .
Yeah , those people are okay , but it's shocking . And here's the thing . Here's what I learned from watching that . I don't care if you're in the arena or out of the arena , don't wear red to a rodeo . Yeah , good point .
That woman that got bucked had a bright red shirt on the bull's like oh , it's go time , so this is it .
Don't wear red , be a patriot , but wear white and blue . I guess that day Don't wear your red .
I don't know .
Well , thanks for joining us . Of course , like Mark said , we'll be back on Thursday night .
Yes .
We'll put that show up as soon as we get it done . I'm sure you guys will be tuning into the debate and it should be interesting .
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