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everybody's an actress, everybody something. So what I'm saying that it always seems like that. But I guess a couple of years ago it was from Florida dudes that were getting knocked off out here too. I forgot about that still right now. Yeah, and they're making whole rap songs talk about them. Who I smoke? Little Lonnie and Niggas was singing it. I was like, bro, what the fuck? But it's it's funny because that is because I'm in a narrative. The narrative is definitely becoming like, oh man, um,

it's tough being a rapper. And we talked about this, you know, when Dolf got kill al right, p doff. Yeah, I didn't really get to dig deep into the concept of what's really going on, you know what I mean, And it's not in hip hop. It's what's going on with human beings that come from our background period. It's getting worse and worse, and people are in such a weird space of not being able to to generate a

truly livable wage or economics for themselves. You know what I'm saying, That reputation is being over value like social currency, just like they had the metaverse. Social currency is starting to play a huge part in our community. It was already a big deal, right reputation, but now it's like they want the same reputation online, asked a regular nerdy kid, who was, you know, only committed to the metaverse. So they're doing metaverse banging and real banging. Mm hmm, so um,

I think again. I don't want to get caught up in any time a human being los their life, you know, it's a sad occasion for that person's mother, father, children, what I'm saying for for certain people. But that don't mean that people don't put themselves in a position to be at war where from in the city. I don't know what about him so and that's this. This has been disputed. Like I didn't know him, I knew his movement, and I was a fan of his movement probably since

two thousand and fifteen, sixteen. Um, I've noticed he's always pushed thirty second in Naomi. That was the Naomi is on the east Side. It's like thirties thirty thirty blood thirty problems. I think they're Bloodstone game thirty. It's like a thirties game. But then other people say he has some kind of affiliation who grew up in the hundreds. But I've heard so many different things. But I noticed he always flashed asign thirty second of Naomi. So I'm

gonna stay with that one. But if I understand correctly, Um, he was in like placement homes. I know, stupid Young made him in a placement him in a placement home. Young situation is unique because like he was a really talented dude, like um, he reminded me of a younger e forty, complete with his own cultural lingo. And I'm saying complete with his own style. Everything about him was like culture, like concentrate. You could water some of that ship down, and a lot of rappers did water his

style down and and used it. I'm saying it served it to the people as fresh juice. But there was so much Draco and a lot of new dude style.

To me, the most too influential dudes of this whole last decade movement is one take J and Draco like so many guys wrapped like one take J. So many guys wrapped like Draco, yash so um Draco situation is a little unique because again it's it is like um dogs, where we saw so many things happening right where we you know, he's fighting a murder over some situation that happened with somethingbody else and come home, you know what I mean. He's still kind of on that energy and

he on twilve. I mean he's still going hard and going hard, and you know, eventually it just catches up. You know, everything catches up. So you're either gonna end up, you know, hurt. You know you're gonna end up in prison, I mean for hurting somebody else. Yeah, give us a little comparing contrasts for I don't say and mine as to some of the nuances. One of the nuances, I mean, there's there's more than nuanced, but like comparing contrasts to

the other recent passing like a slim four hundred. So again, no seilings, g L. This is our fifty second episode. That's kind of like a one year episode. There's our one year episode, right, Pete in the spot. I got my manager producer at the podcast friend big Brother still in the spot. He ain't gonna be doing too much talking because he don't know about hip hop like this no more. I'm here, I'm gonna see I'm gonna teach

you something. Christ for the new generation. So um it was it was like his situation is a bit different than slam slam situation. The street says a bit more like like like like personal mm hmm, I mean where if you look at that situation, it was really fucked up. I mean like yeah, it's no, it's no, it's no um concrete details. In the streets. There's only ideals, and one ideal is sticking. And I believe that idea is true, but I'm not confident enough in it to tell and

say this is what happened. But it'll come out. It always does. Draco situation is a lot like Doll situation, where he was in a in a in a in a public feud, right that started off with a rapper but ended up against the streets. So initially it was r J initially, but that was a while ago, and r J kind of had a you know broker the peace you know, extended the olive branch, were piste off people in the streets. But I remember that happened, did

it a line um? Outside of that, he had consistent conflicts with other rappers, but nothing I think that was serious, crazy crazy series, not as definitely a series as of stuff Doll had going on with the rappers or what happened was he had a few going on with people in the streets. And this is the exact opposite. Like my homie asked me, did hip hop fail Draco like it failed off? And I'm like, well, it's different because people who he began feuding with, right, the rappers is

a certain situation. But then when you start talking about other gangs, other people from cities, all kind of ship, yo, it's different because it ain't really no conversation at that point. You got a bunch of people who really don't have a ton of opportunities and they ain't looking at nothing but proving a point so it's tough. But I don't even want to really trip off that because rest in peace to Draco. You know, I mean one of the Cody Sneakers to do it from the land on this

underground tip. But I want to focus on the rap fans. That's something I think hip hop right is getting a beat down. Rappers are getting a beat down, but in the reality, it's the fans who are fueling it all and nobody's talking about it. And I mean, dating back to when that whole Warren Shiraq was happening, the fans

are pushing it. It's like we all see the plane crashing, right, we all see the plane coming all the way down right, We're watching it right, and we see it's going to the earth right, and we're just talking about it, you know, we are now and we're telling other people until the plane crash. And once the plane crash, then the people who follow the culture are in the outrage. Well you know what the problem me us bro is the Internet has allowed fandom and amenity to just go to a

whole another level. Because when I was coming up, if we saw the only way we saw our favorite rapper Bro was on a music video or if we went to one of those concerts and even then, you know, music videos just wasn't pop popping like that. You know what I mean, You understand what I'm saying. So it's almost like the average fan that day doesn't look like the rapper, like he's a real person. It's almost like their carriage of just at first, and they're looking at

their life and their lifestyle and everything. So it's like then watching the movie. Bro, do you think that that's different now than then, because like when you have more interactive access you see and more exposure, it would let that you would be less sensationalized that if you have limited access and limited exposure, well, it's almost an overexposure now.

And I said this, man, when um, I said this, when people first start doing lives, you know, when they first started giving people the ability to go live online, I said, man, somebody's gonna kill somebody on the internet one day. I remember you saying that, but I said that back then. I said, somebody's gonna wind up killing somebody because fandom is just at all time and they don't look at us as um as real people. They don't think. But but I'm also let me let me,

cut you, big, bro, because it's important. Right back when I was younger, it was only so many rappers. Now what's happening is the streaming era. Me and my homie was talking about it. But the streaming era has created like this whole middle class of rappers, middle class right where it's hundreds of rappers, thousands of rappers, but there's so many successful rappers right that you never heard of.

You could be from l A and never hear of rappers or making a hundred two hundred thousand dollars a year. Like I'm talking to mc tin and MATC didn't know who Draco he was, Like who? And I'm like he didn't know who he was what I'm saying, And Draco was doing pretty well for himself. He probably easily was, you know, uh two hundred to a quarter to three hundred dollar artists you know a year, like he was

getting some money. But streaming has created a place that's really dope, and it sence that it can create a career for you, you know. But also I think it's not great because rappers don't have to really push themselves to be the greatest they can. Like when I talked to a lot of producers, they're not pushing to have the best record in the country like Dre Cat warren Cue, you know, all the producers quick they were pushing that

had the greatest records in the game. Because truly, that's really how you made a living, that's how you ate. But now you just get a base, you know, an audience of people that identify with your movement, right, and it really don't matter how good or bad your music is long as they feel like we're part of this movement. And so everybody is getting paid or something that still don't talk about right with his movements, your woment. So

people are paying for the movement. So the fans are this is like an out what I'm saying that this isn't out from their regular life. They're a part. People feel like they're part of a gang. Like what's funny is I was looking at the comments. You know they had to fight where you can see the fight unfolding between you know, the dudes and Draco's team, and the

fight is unfolded and I'm watching the fight. You know, the other guys are deep and it's more like real vet street vets, like you could tell these are people who really are familiar, not to mention, they have the numbers advantage, so they're trying to fight them. They're all trying to fight them. The guys that's with Draco, they're trying their best to fight them, but in real life they were so outnumbered and kind of like outdug. So

they're fighting going backwards, getting dropped, person get dropped. They rushed. They fighting them back. So everybody's backing up their whole team, but they start to back up in two different directions. One guy, so the guys that's with Draco is backing up, you know straight. The other guys are backing up kind of in a h an angle. They're backing up towards the gate, but they're both fighting. Nobody turned around and ran. They were like holding their ground, but you know the

other guys were advancing consistently. And I watched people in the comments like, oh, they left Draco. They left him, and I'm like, no, they didn't see That's what I mean. Man. It's almost like these people think they're playing Grand Theft Auto or some ship. It's like this is real ship. And it's funny because Draco has a really dope song called Grand theft auto that you said that, but that's what they really think. They really are. It's a joke

to them because it's not in their real life. But what irritates me is when something finally happens bad right, or they're like, oh, we need to change the car, Oh look it, what's going on? Blah blah blah. It's like, Bro, the plane been diving. The plane has been diving for a while, and they finally hit the ground. You know what I mean? You never you know, it's not enough of the fans telling people, hey, pulled the plane up.

Hey stop. I'm about to say that probably gonna seem pretty controversy or though, man, but I sell them look at the comments. But when I do, you don't have the most intellectual base of people that just sit online and consume some of this stuff that controversial. No, but but but let me finish though, Bro, I'm not saying that just every person that looks online as an idiot. But if you've got somebody that's spending their whole day on this ship following somebody's exploits, man, and they ain't

got no job or no other ship to do. They just sitting there watching this ship something's wrong with that, bro. But but think about it, like they can go to work for eight hours a day. It could be a motherfucker that work at Walmen, right, and that's the thing. But they're part of Draco's movement, right, the stinct team

in their mind. They and they. It was crazy, is these fans are getting these tattools, they hashtagging in their bio, they're putting their profile names, like it's like those clowns we talked about the other day, which clowns. Then I'm not calling them like a bunch of clowns like the closessional. Yeah, so yeah, everybody's cultivating a following, right, So it's people.

It's people who don't even know these guys and be like, yeah, you know, we're like their their hashtag sting team in their bio, like and they're like in the metaverse virtually, they're part of the movement. They're supporting it. They got the shirts, they got the beanies, they go to the concerts, and they're part of this movement. So they really feel like they have a main stay in the conversation. So I'm reading people in the comments like y'all he left him.

They left him and I'm like, no, dog like, they just were outdone. Nobody they listened. They could have turned around and ran. They were trying to, but they were outduged and they were outnumbered. And you know what I'm saying, this how I go down? This This is normal for me. This ain't like crazy. This is a normal episode that happens like that. Well I had speaking speaking of fights, it was a couple of fights up there rolling loud. Yeah I heard, but I actually got to see the

video footage of that one fight. Yeah, but that ship you can't see no faces. Yeah, but somebody whoever was there was getting the ship kicked out of them. Well feel they asked and put on them. I don't know who it was because I couldn't see none that. I couldn't tell you who it was. They just put some But that's the thing with the internet. They could put some ship out at some random people fighting and say it was anybody. I mean, I have no issues, what have?

What have? What a good fist to cover? And to me, like people was asking me my opinion on it, right, certain homies from O the town was calling me is asking my opinion, and this is my opinion on a lot of the dudes coming up that I was watching, right, So one is they don't really have an O G around them to give them wisdoms. I mean, they don't have a ton of like I kept my O G homies on speed down or around me. So even if I wasn't around pluck a Moon at the time, I

had Kiki local around me. I had wisdom around me to counter my young ignorance. I'm saying, my young wild ways. Um, they don't have that, right. That's one too. A lot of the dudes coming up saying that they streak one thing about gangs in l A. You know the culture in l A. And this is everywhere. Honestly, I ain't gonna even just say gangs in l A, but I'm familiar with this. Here is it's all of these. It's it's like a land and a map of nation. They're

all different nations, they all have different beliefs, creates. Some things are uniform, but most things are individualized depending on which nation you at. Like right, you in my hood, you in my nation? Right a hundred of seventeen street washed crypt It's a different creed than when you cross Imperial and you and p J. Watts. It's a completely different thing. Sure, in theory, were of both crips, and that's what the fans get. They understand they're both crips.

But what they don't understand is that is no bond. That bond has been broken, you know, since you know, the sixties and the eight trade started clashing, or the East Coast is and the Hoovers started clashing. So you start talking about something that's been broken for roughly, you know what, forty years. So the fans kind of start to voice their opinion and ignorance, and I get it,

you know what I mean. That's part of being a part of this metaverse, you know what I'm saying, being a part of social media where and that's why the internet is so dangerous though, too, bro, that's will make it great and dangerous. Well, you know because like you know what I seriously thought when you put two pack mus die out up. I wasn't worried about nobody from the industry. I was worried about one of these fans because this motherfucker's to take that ship so serious. You

know who said the same thing that iced tea. That's what I was worried about. I was worried about. I wasn't worried about no, because rappers have since. Ain't nobody go go to jail behind those fun a song? You know what I mean, Let's keep it real, get the funk out of here. Ain't nobody going to jail. But

you understand what I'm saying. For the most part, Dog, It's like you may get into a fight with somebody, but I don't think nobody could come and just lose all they got going in their life because you seeing something upset, They're gonna lose their life. They ain't gonna take minds. So but I get what you're saying. So, but listen, it was weird with the fans. And and this is what I realized when I was making that

song right. And I realized that, and you know me still like we have a ton of marketing conversations about records. We're about to put out a record next year that's gonna push your heart rate up, you know, time to put you don't already prepare me for. I already know what I'm gonna do, right, But what I realized was coming into making that song right and from a marketing perspective, was like when I grew up. POC was ours. He belonged to us, the culture, Like, I'm a real pop fan.

All these people ain't. Really, I'm a real pop fan. Like I had his first CD, his last CD. I literally grew up listening to his music. His music raised me to be the man that I am by conscious as part of things even still in me. There's so many different concepts. But what I realized was and it was important pop had became such a mainstream figure. That's the catch. Hip hop is all about the upside down.

If you saw um Stranger Things. Stranger Things is about these kids in the eighties and a scientist or the government accidentally open up or they were trying to open up another dimension that was parallel to the one that we was there. Yeah, my wife was really into that show. That's my ship, right, So hip hop is the upside down. Hip hop the upside down is Compton is Watts regular. You know, it's more, it's more Lakewoods, right, the city

of Lakewoods. Then there is competence across America. Yeah, for sure. I was actually gonna bring up a point of like you talked about kind of the streaming sector of the industry now and how it's expanded the volume of content creators. So there's now it's basically a preamble so to speak to what crypto bitcoin is trying to do. With the

quote unquote democratization of the tech sector. You see that happen in music where you can where you don't have to be the top one percent of performers or at least the most one percent marketle performers to get onto one of four or five labels that's going to give you all the money you can exists in the space in between. But also when you see the same time frame, is that like the geography of at least a lot of the communities like Black America that would define the

culture of hip hop has changed. Also like it's not so concentrated in inner cities, like that's been democratized. Until you see a at the end of the Empire semi suburb, studo suburbs to Bay l A, Phoenix, Miami. And that's what I'm saying, though, that's not hip hop. It's becoming rap is going mainstream. There's a lot of us and pleasant it's nothing wrong with rap going mainstream. There's nothing wrong with rap going mainstream. And you know, I see

a lot of really successful mainstream rappers. Hip hop is still very much what it is. It's very much a preview into a parallel universe that is not seen all over mainstream, even if it's a popular opinion of very

few from these same streets. So I think the fans again, right, they become part of these communities in theory, right, Like if you talk to like if you ask most fans of Chicago, you know hip hop or the drill scene, right, what's the uh the little apartment complex that they always talk about they have, like this super popular apartment complex that Dirt in Him is from, and Van is from

from Chicago Midway. I don't know what part of I've never been there, you know, I'm saying, I've never been there. I've never even heard of it until that came out. Oh Block, Ok. Again, you gotta realize the people who are real fans of Little Dirt, who are fans of the whole movement that is that drill scene, like they

feel like they are residents of Old Block. Like I remember when Uh the Rainbow Rat was kind of making his rounds with the police, acting like he was actually existing in spaces where we was at even though he's not. The Rainbow Rat went to this place, and people kept

telling them like, oh, you're gonna get killed. Like most of these fans had never been to where they were talking about, but they only know the stories or the pieces of content right that their favorite rappers putting up of Old Block, and they really felt like if he went there, if the Rainbow Rat went there, he would get exterminated. And it's not tree like, it's way more nuances to that. Like you've been going to jungles and

people may not see you. You can go to the PJS and people these places are huge, especially to poor people. Right when you're from poverty, you you kind of exist in a smaller space. So the fans was I remember the fans like, oh, you know, if somebody try to go to Old Block, they're gonna get killed. I remember when Von you know, rest his soul, when he got killed, and the fans like, oh, this person is not going to live. They're gonna kill him in two days. And

I'm like, they don't. The fans don't really understand how this thing worked that we call crime or gangster rap or even gangster ship period. We know what it deals. Bro I'm gonna tell you imagine nation of It. I'm gonna tell you, bro, everybody's um the imagery and music just got real crazy y at some point though, you

know what I mean. It's like the imagery now you can almost shoot I remember when I was in the game, like when I was doing there as an art on an artist level, you know, to shoot a video on the lower you were spending forty fifty dollars. That was a low budget video. My first music video budget was twenty five thousand, and we thought that was it was cheap. We was just like, oh man, it's gonna be the Whackers video whever. Now you do some ship with twenty

five thousand. You shoot tim movies, you know, like motherfucking Biggie uh hypnotized. You know. But but with that being said, you know, and you were right when you said you have more lakewoods. Right. You got a lot of suburban kids across the country. They get caught up in the imagery is exciting to them. They got their little boring life is snow on outside, their dad is drunk all

the time, and their mom is depressed. So they're sitting there watching these videos and they become a namber with them and it becomes a part of their psyche almost of the where they feel like I'm from old block, I represent you know what I mean, I'm down with them, which is h what's the what's the slim Jesus? Yeah. But but but this is what's funny to me. And this is why I get mad at a lot of people from our culture that talks for us in those

spaces and they try to condemn the music. Okay, obviously we know suburban America is the is the major. You know, they consume more of this content that we call gangster wrapped than anybody else, right, because I hear them them all the time telling me, oh, well, you know this music is you know, you you're glamorizing violence and you're spreading it. It's becoming popular and everybody's doing it. Well, it ain't no motherfucker's ship happening in Lakewood. They ain't

formed a whole bunch of games in Lakewood. The white boys and you know, and the suburban areas started their suburban crips and they out here putting in work. It's not influencing them. Again, I think a lot of times, like I said, there's so many hypocritical takes and silly shiit a don't make sense. So again, the fans could listen. The fans could be in the comments talking about they're smoking on this Nika pack or this pack or this

except they're not really ever gonna smoke on any packs. Literally, this is their escape. They get to be a part of the culture right that that would be hard to be a part of. Can we play the new slotle Jesus? I love Slim Jesus, so you could definitely play yes, I said I love Slim Jesus. Yea, what you have to do like that? And you can see my face through the glass of the charograph of the lower left the back end, and you'll still broke watching how the

sex ban Sam just maintin off a crack band. You get the picture home, can't get the rest in another risks look important. I wouldn't get content that we should for it. You should have got it for you. I'm thinking, okay, they getting the court. All my old bitches lost know what time it is. You can't even hear my life if i'd sliding in. So he tried to say you love me, ain't because I'm love now baby and I ain't my ship. The straight burning out got the drink

in the four and went on me. It's house o bo with the out the heads turned around, triple less is all legal? Puddle on the ground. Yeah, I'm dripping in this bitch. Somebody grab a mop pull folk in a finger watching ship trop try to tell me to quit. Let my bitch in my pop and up losing these the mirrors. I can bought a shop. Okay, man, you know what's cold? This little motherfucker crip. Oh he could wrap. He is familiar with the m the art of m

saying to some degree. I like Slim Jesus when I first saw him, and what I liked about him is when he came out and did his interviews, he explained, like, yo, I am not any of these things. I just like the music and I'm rapping like it. But you know what's so cold, He's honest, and these other motherfucker's need to get honest. Let him know. There ain't no different Slim Jesus. Slim Jesus is more real than a lot

of these rappers because these niggas not doing it. They talk about he's not real, but he's just he's more honest. He's way more they come from this. He is authentic. He never front he said, he just you know, I laugh every time I hear I chuckled, just like I laughed for this motherfucker. When I hear these niggas out here tell about what they do, and I'm like, man, nigga, please, No, he's not authentic and he's not real, but he's honest

and he's let you know that this is Hollywood. Well, honestly, it was authentic. No, no, it's not auth at all. It's all a matter of fact. We need Slim Jesus if you out there, we need you on this show that we're putting Slim Jesus on the gamest Rap Chronicles. Though he represents like Slim Jesus. Man, I'm a fan of Slim Jesus. He's awesome. He makes some cooler songs, and I like the fact that he's honest out he's not a thumb. Let me ask you, are you really

from where you from? How many? What percentage of these rappers out here do you think aren't from where they say they're from. Okay, so that's a nuanced conversation, right, So when I say where I'm from it's because I'm really from there, culturally rooted there. When I say I'm from seven Street Watch Cript hundred and seventeen Street Watch Cript, I am culturally rooted there. My family know my older homies,

whether they agree or not, they know each other. My older homies know my father, they know my mother, they know my step mom, they know my older brothers, they know my sister, they know me. So when I say I'm from there, it's not like some niggas, you know, eight niggas jumped on me and kicked me in his face and ship. Now I'm like I'm one of the ms. No. Literally, me and my hommies are friends. We grew up at as friends. So like when I say I'm from there,

because that's what it really means. I'm from this, not again I got courted on. Something is beating me up like that happens, you just fight. But I am from where I'm from. So when you're saying how many people are from where they from, it gets tricky because no, it ain't no mother's studio gangsters. Well again, studio again. That's my point, Like, let me say this, let me let me say this so I can help the fans

get this because the fans don't understand this. So you ask somebody like Glasses, Right, I'm a real gang member from where I'm from, and I'm culturally from where I'm from. Another rapper could culturally be from where they from but never been a gang member, right. They could be from that area and they grew up not gangbanging, right, But you know, as success came, they could say, now I'm a gangbanger even though they never went through any of

the situations for being a representative of said community. Then you've got other people who didn't grow up in those communities, right, but may have got initiated and they from those gangs. So it's just tricky, like it's it really matters. But what you can tell is and where you can really tell. And I think a lot of issues. Like I said, that first point I was making was they don't have around them. Part two is they don't understand diplomacy. See,

it's it's all of a side. It's a bunch of people talking tough, looking tough, but it's gonna cost you your life when you understand diplomacy. It's the way you deal with things when you're dealing with other nations. I know how to deal with other nations. I know how to deal with niggas from hoods around me, niggas from hoods as far west as the sixties, as far east as the four hundred block Riverside crips, you know, I

mean East Coast riverside niggas. I know how to deal with niggas from you know u g crips weigh in Flatbush, Brooklyn. I am refined in the art of diplomacy. Like if I have an issue with a nigga, I would know how to go about it and make sure I got my faith with that nigga. And and my name is gonna carry that type of respect to where that's a possibility. But I also understand it's certain niggas you may can't get ahead of fade with. It's certain gangs right that

may not give you that. But that's again like I started rapping late, Like I was a gang banger, just for years. A gang bang in high school, you know, going to school, which is different as you at school a couple of fights or maybe you shoot a little bit, but when you gang bang for a living, I used to gang bang for a living. I graduated high school at seventeen. Every day for a living, I was a seven street watch crypt nick, a sean selling gun total

hands throwing every street washing. So people knew me from the low riding street racing. This why I'm from. So my diplomacy is a lot more unique than the average rappers. There's a rappers who got in the game. They was eighteen and been successful since a teen. So they're trying to gang bang now in the midst of success. Feel me trying to build a reputation. But you see, you gotta understand something, and uh, this is in no way of this. I'm actually a fan of Tiger. Tiger is

a cool dude. But like I remember, at one time Tiger was claiming um a blood thing. He was claiming campanella and then he got beat up by then my guests. Then he went over there and start claiming um mover so again right, so but why do you do that that though? Bro? That's like where do you like just

transformed like that again? Right? It's just weird because Okay, that story has more nuances, right, So it's it's it's a level of truth to it, right, But then it's more right and it ain't just the rappers faults, so I wanted to get on record even I'm glad you said that, because it's not the rappers fault necessary. The rappers do have a steak and responsibility for some of his cornball that ship, But it's also the communities fount

niggas are embracing niggas. Niggas see niggas, see some of these artists as ways to change their future, you know, the economic status, to make money, to make a living. That's what all this ship is about. So if you can so like, let's say a tiger, right, so I don't know what happened with him and per se. Let's say the camper Nellis and say, I don't know what happened. I remember that time you're talking about he you know,

that was his line. He's pushing Parru and then as he decided, he was embraced by Trail and all the five Deuces. It started to rock with them, but they embraced him. They said, you know, I don't know the nuance of the conversation, but I would imagine because the niggasy was around, I know, some of them niggas on the street level. So they had to embrace him because he couldn't go to them and say, hey, can I be damned. They're not the kind of niggas you go to and say hey can I be damn? Let me

get this side note. I'm not trying to validate on where that dude it's from. No ship like that tiger handle you all six ft five thing about to do. I ain't worried about tiger, Tiger a little home better just take this um not your ass up question the laws of physicist all against ain't any Tiger's favor, bro Gee, shout out the tyger. He was on cash money right with all them or young money and you know all

those guys and you know all the Compton guys. What is there was some sort of like marketing co op. I swear to guy between anything Pyro and anything young money for like several years. Like what walls up with it? Man? Because because I mean, anybody did a record near them, was was a priate. So so again it's one of those things where in that situation is unique right because

it was a mutually respectable thing. Right where quick question, what do you think that something as big and visible and like you know, they had enough force behind it to really move mountains within the culture for a period of time where you see a bunch of guys that they're all from out of town and none of those guys gang bang. They wrapped this gang whatever for whatever the reason they from there. Well, I like the music. I from there either, I'm repped two Like is there

some sort of a triple down in that? What? That? But that's what we're talking about. The fans, right, the fans are doing that. Even some of the rappers are fans. That's the problem. The rappers are fans of the culture, and the culture are fans of the rappers. Yeah, it's a belief that these gangs are exploiting, you know, celebrity finally, celebrity sploring games exactly, and and that's a big thing.

Where again, you're still dealing with poor people who are trying to pursue some level of livable wage or economic opportunity. It would be like Joe Pesci fake joining the Gambinos to better market his acting career in the nineties, exactly like imagine if imagine if joining the family, Joe Pesci joined the Gambino family and they announced it. He became like a part of their brand. It sounds stupid to say,

but it doesn't. It doesn't, it doesn't, but it does, Like you know what I'm saying, It does sound stupid because those are financially successful organizations. Yeah, to kind of go out of their way to be invisible a little bit more. No, they're financially successful. Yeah, fu the invisibility that you can be invisible long as you've got paper. You know what I'm saying. Again, you gotta understand, right, popularity equates to wealth, because that's all you've been taught

your whole life. The more of my reputation is out there, the more people know about my name, it brings value to my existence. So that's why they're fighting from this level of like basic kind of primitive operations. So the mob is not a poor organization. Gangs are a poor organization. It may be one or two homies against some money or you from where I'm from, where it's orchestrated for

y'all all to get some money. Maybe you ain't as suple to top the top man, but you're gonna make more than a quality living then from where we're from. But again, if let's say, if I'm for five dudce Hoover. This is one of the this cute new neighborhood, right, it's trailed in the the neighborhood. It's one of the poorest parts of the West Side p It's a poor community, right, very few opportunities, no careers around there, nothing barely a

grocery store. You feel me. It is a different world, you know, it could be like Africa, third World like Wat's what I'm saying that it's different. And you meet a celebrity who was a millionaire, right, and you're watching him. He's a very talented artist. Let's say Tiger. He's a very talented artist. I mean, Tiger is extremely talented that he don't really get credit for, but he's extremely talented. He's a cold, ice cold motherfucking with writing records. So

you know him, and yeah, he sees you. He sees that you are respected. Remember, hip hop is very much a street R form, only a street R form. It's a street R form before is everything else it's from and for the streets, it's a representation to that. So it's important if you're making hip hop to have some level of credit when it comes to the streets because that's part of the market and so these guys say, hey, man, we love what you're doing, and you see they ship.

You know that some of the most they organization is one of the most respected and well known things in the in the world. Hoover Is is everybody's whovers in every state down there, and they want to embrace your movement. It lends you. It lends you a level of respect, right because you could befriends somebody and lends you credit and credence, right And then for you, it creates opportunities

to have certain homies as bodyguards. It creates somebody who could you know, you could become learning the business and management. My issue, I actually respect the mutual nous of that.

I know it sounds crazy and people are getting mad, but I know the fans gonna be mad, But I respect that because I know how hard it is to comfort where we come from and make a way out and make an opportunity to the body and kids Christmas gifts to feed your kids and ship to not at smoke shrum all day because you're losing your mind without

the opportunity to earn. What I don't respect is the one sided things where you have people taking advantage of a community and they have no intentions on doing right by the people. Or it's another thing where I think a lot of times, and this is where to all my homies that's from the street, because I know y'all Nick is listening to my podcast. If you got a wrapper that you claiming and he's not actually making opportunities for some of your homies, I need to make it

hard for that nigga. This ship that we have when it comes to this street ship, the credit that being one of us gives a hip hop artist's invaluable. It turned the Rainbow Rat from some pariah making alternative music and not really being successful into a global star. A global star. You will never hear a story about a rapper coming too a community and then creating a hundred jobs to change their fortune. But you're here a community, right, You'll hear the story about the community coming to a

rapper right and then lending their career. You know, um respect people looking at them in a respect. Oh he from over there. He one of those guys, and it changes the fortunes of their career, like somebody like Whacker Flocker. Like Whacker Flocker career is successful because of the jungles now, I'm sure Flock could get mad at me sat this, but Waker Flock is not Wacker Flocker without shooting hard and the paint in the Jungles they made that nigga

a fucking global star. That's the power of the ship that we survive. That's a lot of power. The Jungles made Waka flocka a global fucking star. The reason people believe he went hard in the paint is because he was with one of the most famously dangerous places to be and he was talking to t rogers. So again, it's one of those things, man, where I'll say this, our communities don't understand the value and that's what we always talk about, Pete, the difference with the mafia and

the difference with street gangs. But it's also still you operating off a level of poverty that's different. I mean poverty and oppression. So yeah, the monsters, a couple of Italian and Irish miles felt impressed, but it will never be the equivalent of being one of us. They wasn't. You know. Again, it's a different level. But I agree with a lot of the homies from the communities don't truly understand the value and being one of us. It is invaluable. Being me has got me so much ship.

Being the authentic version that I am has got me. It got me paid in the music business crazy before I even understood records. Well, you know, based on what you're saying, Jim Gee, Slim Jesus just as authentic as anybody else. No, Slim Jesus is not authentic at all. Slim Jesus, it's like calling an actor authentic. But he is authentic. He's true to who he is. That's authenticity, eels but here. But there's a break between. His authenticity

exists off of his records. But that's the difference. His authenticity doesn't exist on his records. That's that's my point. I say, I'm trying to bridge the gap between to you guys. So that's what I'm saying. He's not authentic. He's honest, he's authentic. His music is not authentic. I don't even know if he's authentic cause we never get to do you consider him against the rapper because he talked that ship. He really learned to lingo. Okay, so

you're I see your trying again. You can listen to rap ragors, But again, this is deeper than just about Slam. He he's the boot product governed him and is to talk to cause six nine is the body product of all the bullshit. That's different because Slim Jesus is not from the community. The Rainbow Rat is from the community. He's not some kid that wandered off from the nicest parts of Crown Heights and fucking New York and slipped into the ghetto. He's a fucking ghetto, fucking piece of ship.

You know the rules in the ghetto, he walked around the corner to them. So again is different. Slim Jesus is really a white kid that's not from this level of poverty. He he's different. He's a fan of the music and the and the music made him create more music. The Rainbow Rat literally is from poverty. Didn't really use the power of the game like like Slam is not

orchestra rating hits. The Rainbow Rat orchestrated hits. He you know what Slim Jesus might be in some little time like Ravenna you know, you know how you want to visit my pops up there. Slim Jesus the time he from his like Ravanna and small like that. He probably running it out there though. He probably get the nigga tex stuff if he wants. I remember his streets. He remember him rapping about the streets in this first song you saw you had his homie, him and the bother

coint it's like the homie, y'all hear it? They got the other song a little what the something? You always find him a little crazy, Yes, records, the Downey song, d down record, Welcome to the Day. He kind of running a little apartment complex over there. Dog you find all. He's a weird ass people. I find records. But no again, back to the plaint Let's go back to that dog because you did. What's the other nigga that you discovered? Man? Just like, why are you looking at this? Return? And

he actually wound up blowing up. I put you on soldier boy first, Yeah, soldier boy, I put you all slim jeeze is what's the white Boyam mot was go book him one time. He called the nigga's that we put you up on? The boy from Texas. Yeah, Jesus, the nigga the free stuff he got that, the marine green, the green Marine green machine. You know who we're talking about. Pete. He talking about He called himself the Pink Panther. Uh he always rhyming and ship uh oh, he was on MTV.

Don't he wear the braids to the back because white boy? Oh man, he's so dupe. I'm right now. Anyway. What's crazy is when we first was watching his little videos early on, we just liked that he had this confidence. His confidence was through the roof. There are a lot of white braids to the back of Texas. I noticed when I was down there. I was like, and what blew me away is did I ever tell you a boy the time I walked and Chew cho shop and seeing him, Uh yeah, man, what's that white boy name?

He had MTV tattooed on it. N it's Riffraff, riff Raff, hold on raf reff Raft, nigga? Did I ever tell you by the time because I walked into the barber shop and see riff Raff at Chew Choose in the Swans, you told me about that motherfucking riff Raft cause shout out to the honey riff Raft this nigga it was Freestyle getting his hair braided and asked up after that day, couldn't nobody tell me nothing? About riff Raft. To this day, niggas can't tell me nothing about riff Raft. Hold On,

let me show you something real quick. Hold on, he got it was freestyle ever hold on, we're gonna we're gonna get you all this this riff raff ship. Hold on, let me see show you all this ship real quick. RiPP rappers here. You said something to me earlier, man, when you used to do to the bus. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I wanted to do me a favor, but we thought beat on, man, can you do that for us now? Man? Tripping, I've never to be tripping, especially

I never I normally wouldn't new books and swade. You know I got on handshakes, hugs you on the outside. You want to see me with pancakes and drawers. Take your fat ass to sleep. On jumping out of the candy code to Grim Reaper, g I'll put you to sleep. I put your six ft deep when it's in the ground. I played pine, I left my top down. I could have played for Washington redskin six points for a touchdown. I might give you a six point dime, and it's to carry. This is a parent. I'm I got more

knowledge than both your parents. Combined. I graduated devil, I didn't go to high school and nine nine everything will fine. I ban Jenny Wine or now homeo. I'm talking about it back in about trunk, that's C D. Dick. Players want to check I eat checked mix. Hey won't get in the mix. My bot. I got a fresh set of kids and played for the Phoenix Suns. I graduated and then motherfucker older than the motherfucking moon plus the sun. He got older than the damn solar system. I come through.

Uh now, might pop trunk on your sister. He fried gristle and bacon with eggs and toast. Everybody know my motherfucker right there. He bowed the most. He bought the coast to coast. He bowled across seven seas. You're talking about other game? Will fun you on your damn need? I pull up sitting sideways with Swade. We had a Chinese buffet even on a Monday. It's a Tuesday. Make it feel like it's damn ruby Tuesday. Don't even matter anyway.

I come through with diamond and sapphire, called my chest figure. I was Kenda Ken GRIFFI Jr. I come through. I played down South of Oklahoma soon. I couldn't play tail back, half back or hats back them in the photo hats back man. Motherfucker couldn't played for the Dallas Mathis. But they found cracking my jacket. If I'm mayor one of my socks. This motherfucker Damn Mark Q was of money. You're gonna have to box one of these players because

they're gonna take your position. Diamonds gonna listen, Well we're twisting when they signed on the back, Let's just let's go sleep yo yo yo yo, real frown that's the thing. And Reff Raff of Texas White Boy said, you know they got super flavor. They really freeze out for real in Texas, like Texas. Ever since the freestyle kings and flipping that, I was like, this ship flip is another one lift flip with freestyle. Your ass off here, But y'all didn't got me off my goddamn point. Don't know,

but that's fandom. These the type of niggas that diggers don't create it. Niggas like you, things like you that give me the niggas exposure. Love the motherfucker's it's so cold and d If she would have signed the motherfucker's he probably made millions of dollars trying to tell you now again, like I said, I really kind of I think the fans kind of really need to to read assess what they're doing, and they're not. I get it. You're gonna live vicariously through somebody in the life that

you could never live, so I get it. But really, I think the fans are not getting enough. You know, they're not responsible enough. The rappers are are definitely lacking accountability, they definitely ain't responsible enough, but the fans encouraging it, like this ship ain't real, this ship real, ship real, or maybe they don't give a funk that this ship real. I mean, isn't the fans drive fanctress fans. All they do is either give their money or give their you know,

media consumption for money. Maybe not. I don't know. It's gonna be interreesting though. Definitely rest in peace to Draco for sure,