More Conversations About Ageism In Hip Hop

What's up? And welcome back to another episode of No Sealer's podcast with your host. Now, fuck that with your low glasses, Malone. He don't just crazy work. We're on now right live and in effect.

I can't.

I can't see anything, stretch trip me out.

No, So what I'm gonna do because like I told you, I need to move. Yeah, put that monitor right there for the big comments. That's the plan.

Nice.

I just gotta find the right vertical monitor because that uh right vertical monitor for.

The U.

So it fits these pictures. Because then what I'm gonna do is, so I'm gonna I got a Tupoc that I'm gonna put right there on there pot picture that looks like these. Shout out to everybody that's at the lunch table. That's what this looked like behind me. But I got to another one that's Tupac that the honey did me. That's Tupac like that. And I'm gonna put the doctor dray one right there on the other side of the door. Everything else see Kate out the only young person up there.

Indeed, like two ton Common or something like that. There yep, So it's iced tea.

On the walls Kate out on the wall, Kendrick Lamar on the wall, Easye on the wall, dog Snoop Dogg on the wall, there Pussle on the wall when near Puszle, a young boy Cube on the wall, and Dre on the wall. And then I got the other one with pop pockers for my monitor. Have I ever told you the story of how I met doctor Dre Mm hmm. So it all worked together. It's just crazy. So when I first started rapping, I might have been into rapping and righting righting for like two years. I mean, I

Had you put anything out yet at that point or pre pre release?

So I had put out like three songs, okay, Like we did this song me Kay and my brother Pool. We did this song called Gangster Shit. We did like three songs. We had this one song called Beg Niggas Make the World Go Around And that was like a big song in the area, like the Mona Parks. The Honey Fromona Park was playing it, themy from PJ Wisse was playing it. He was playing it certain people. So

Gotcha.

My mom is like every Tuesday when records would come out, she's buying them, gotcha. Like my mom used to buy so many, so much music, bro. Like, she had to start going to the one Stop to buy all the music to get a better deal. The one stops is where all the independent record stores was buying all of the music. So she bought so much music, like my mom when the fares took her, when the fest took our house when I was a you know kid, they said her they estimated her music collection to be like

I got you.

I'm gonna get with you, Cousin. I'm telling Doctor Dre I'm gonna get with him. I'm gonna get with you cause I'm a press player on you. Cause you know what I mean, we in the game. It's good money. I didn't ask Cause for his number or nothing. Yeah, I just knew he was gonna look for me. This is how ignorant could you be? When you come from the corner with this shit. You know what I'm saying, Like you be hella sure like And I always been sure of myself entirely, too sure of myself. So I

Right.

So Cub was like, okay, cool, I'm gonna get with you. So I go to the studio. I tell my nigga Guido, I say, Gueto, we gotta make you songs. This nigga drake want me to bring him a record now. Shout out to Guido. Gary Ellis, who executive produced my first CD right which is called White Lightning. This is the twentieth anniversary this year. It came out this month twenty years ago. Damn right, So it's submitted. It's my first joint,

It would be like the same branding as like in the Denzel Washington movie Blue Magic.

There You Go, There You Go, And it was like this hella powerful PCP. But I caught it White Lightning to sell it, and it made it seem like it was on purpose. Right, So I named my first CD because I knew all the street people who would want to buy my CD would know this is glasses. Gotcha, this is glasses right. That's how I named the first CD white Lightning. And it was a popular shrim in the street. Everybody was talking about it. So here go

But he is a long time. That is the longest city I have ever seen. It is long too, right, So fast forward, hopefully it's on the other side.

Facts facts, So fast forward, right, Yeah, what's that? Doctor Drake tells my older brother, Hey, man, bring glasses to my beach party. I'm having it at my house in Malibu. He said, okay, so he called me, he said, hey, g man, Dre called me. He more excited. I'm more thanking this. You're supposed to call me. I'm glass look like you know what I mean, like I wrap you make beach you know. Still like this is this is naive.

You.

I'm just a full fledged crip and adult dealer, so it feel weird to have white people talking to me. There ain't no white people living component watch like that. So it's white people at this party. It is brothers and sisters too, but it's a lot of white people.

He's kind of funny that, like doctor Dre has such an ear for being able to locate and create songs, artists, whatever, that just become just obscenely huge, huge, bigger than things are supposed to even become. Sure, and the thing he wants to listen to himself and his own taste is a very niche album. It was very local, and it's acclaim and kind of the opposite of what his model result tends to usually be. That's that's that's kind of a very subtle in general, I'm gonna.

Say, I don't know, because good music is gonna be good music, whether it's from the from the past, or whether it's right now, you're gonna, we're gonna you're gonna recognize when it's great.

But he just pop up.

Okay, So but he's he's in love with disinspected deckout. I mean, he going crazy off this deckout and cutting right. So we chopping it up, we bush it and you know, I'm laughing joking still, you know, crip cut Drake cud. It ain't hit me who Doctor Dre is yet. That don't really hit me. Into twenty thirteen when I our study in hip hop right shout out to shot Teeth.

It's pretty much got the Bolagia Fountain set the fireworks.

Now as an adult thinking about it, because I was like, holy shit.

So you're cool.

Your cool didn't come off when you've seen that shit, though, No, because that never your cool was still on, bro.

My cool didn't come off with Doctor Dre until two pac Mon's Died came out and we was talking. That was the first time my cool. I ain't never not been cool with Doctor Dre. I always treated Dre like the timeter nigga who make beats. I was ignorant this fuck. I didn't know Cauz. I'm you know he make beats. Right, So fast forward cuz this is like some amazing shit. I ain't seen no shit. I didn't make me as of dollars at this point, I'd have been all around

Man.

Look, it's two things we could do, he said. I could play the music out love for everybody, or I could take the music with me feel me and I can call y'all. Let you know what I think. My brother is finna say pool is finna say all right? Just take it? I said, Oh, play for everybody's school. This it's out fucking crazy, I am. It's all kind of motherfucker's up in this party. That's music, execs and shit. And I'm just so sure this is real street urban culture.

You were saying, that's not it.

It's like five or ten seconds. Bro. He could hear it and be like, no, that's not it. So in my mind, I'm like, come with this nigga trying to play me, because like, what the fuck is up with this nigga? Now I get it. I understand how records work. I'm game like, I get it now, But at that time, I had no idea. So I'm like, that case, why do this nigga? He ain't heard the song because he ain't heard what I said. Skipping songs. He get to the fourth song. Mind you, it's only eight songs on

You know exactly what sample you're talking about?

Boom boom. He started rocking and ship and rap what you think all I'm grinding for what you think?

All?

I'm signing for money from the start of my life. The ship go off and he just like in it and he's just jamming and people have to part like hey, and he putting their hands up. He starts scratching like this it g this is it, and he clugged me. He was like, nigga, this is it. Nigga. He jammed, he started again money. He just keep playing it.

You find it more than a coincidence that it was song number seven? Or is that purely a coincidence?

Cuz said, yeah, so he's jamming this song. He grabbed me. He like, yeah, nigga, I'm proud of you.

Nigga.

This is it. Nigga. I'm like, where's my beat? But everybody in the party. He rocking a party this ship cause he gotta go and crave money, and people like, hey, they rapping this. I'm like, damn, that's cool. So he like, man, whatever you doing, you need to stop. He knew what I was doing. You stop doing what you're doing. This is what you should be doing. That's how I knew I would take raps serious. That's how I fucking knew.

Do you have any idea? Like what's his house? Okay, I have to guess.

Hold on, can I say? Can I say it? The call?

Call you? You know when you called me called me a couple of weeks ago and told me that.

No, no, don't say nothing yet. Keep that we need that, we need that. I'm gonna make him go say something about that, but that's how I started knowing. That's how so I knew I could do this. Now. The reason I tell his story is because one of my homeboys shout out to DJ Artistic. I don't think y'all really know. Artistic is like a pillar when it comes to West Coast hip hop. He's one of the most important DJs on the West Coast. He's an instrumental in my career.

So in that scenario, he was Rick James to doctor JS or Doctor Dre's Michael.

Jackson Jones's young Yeah for sure. So that to me like he saw the quick thing happening, not as conversation, not the biggest conversation such as NWA, which was a more prolific hip hop conversation across the whole landscape east to west. Right, This in Compton in southern California. This is the biggest thing in the world. Yes, Weitchie, I put it all together. It's sitting right there in that box is right here. So I got a Melock forgive me. I got you. You're gonna like, oh, I gave you

Wait, what is the album?

The Marshall album. This is him making the elite level music, the most elicious music that he can make. Shout out to Fred Red, shout out to Shout out to them joint, Shout out to the homies that's over there doing the thing. But this is him making whatever he wants to make.

It's kind a magnum opus kind of feel to it.

It is it is, and it's really prolific to me. Like the songs like they can they can do a lot, you know what I mean, They can do a lot of stuff. But I also realized within this conversation why hip hop is so influenced by the young, by the youth. Yeah, and it go back to somebody's tell trap all the time. Hip hop is the movement of we not me. That's why DJ's right, who understand no different than the James Brown Band than the JB's right. They knew how people

I mean that is the exact same principle as like a comedian going and doing small comedy clubs all the time. You understand how to manipulate an audience, and if you can do it on a small scale intimately, you can do it on a large scale.

Dig exactly. And that's the thing, right, And that's why DJs have always kicked the ass and hip hop battle cat quick. All these guys are DJ they kick ass because long as they're DJing, they're keeping a pace on where society is at. True hip hop again, is the movement of we, not the movement of me.

And I think there's also like it's from a youth standpoint. Hip hop is a counterculture type of movement in the sense that it's uh rooted in a in a certain degree around pushback against the system.

Well you do.

God, I'm gonna say something about the hip hop thing ahead, no, because I heard I heard hip hop broken down before, and they broken down by saying hip hip is the hip is, the is the youth and what's cool, you know what I'm saying.

And the hop is the movement. You know what I'm saying. That basically youth movement like.

That though, and that's to catch right, because you're making music for the we mm hmm, you know what I mean. And the hip is about it's not necessarily young as much as we and we is are our most together when we're young. When we grow up and we get older. Right, when we grow up and we get older, we kind of get more into me and our families everything that's more me. But when you're young, it's just you and your boys doing whatever. Y'are doing in your neighborhood, in

We.

Yeah, the artist that's currently going through struggles can't gauge WE. There's a couple of artists going through struggles. There's a couple you know, there's a couple bloggers going through struggles. They can't each we. That's why it's like, we wouldn't do that. And if you start doing something outside of the WEI, you stop being cool.

Mm hmm.

That's my point. Everybody hit that like button real quick, you feel me? Do me that solid? No sellers live lunch hour.

To give a little pushback on it. Right, So I'm gonna say like this, right, at times you get at times you'll get an artist that feels like they they're not making music for the we, They're making music for them, you know what I'm saying.

And sometimes it be and at times when that happens.

That's hit a miss though, like that, you know what I'm saying, So it'll be like I'm not making I'm not making the music to basically for everybody, for everybody, just like I'm making the music that I want to make.

You know what I'm saying. Like that, though, I mean, it is an art.

So as long as you don't want to do the business, as long as you want to do like you might don't like beef, you feel me, that ain't your that it ain't your preferred protein. That don't mean you can sell everybody the burger you want to sell them. You can't. Everybody ain't eating jack fruit tacos. Boy, that just ain't gonna happen. I tell people all the time, make the music you want to make. Shout out to DJ Head whose birthday was yesterday. Shout out to my little bro happy.

See that birthday.

But we also understood if we want to make music the business, we have to be in the business of we. We have to be in the business of we. So I always tell John different people, shout out to all the whole community at ADHD you feel me. I always tell the homies like you gotta meet the people where they at and lead them from there.

Yea, and people you can people can only like if what's cool is here in this circle as a mass, you can be a little cooler if you're still touching the mass, you know, you start to get a little too avan Guardio, too far away. You might be cool eventually, but then they have to come to you. Yeah, I could take a very long time. You can miss your moment.

And I've been a victim of that a lot of different times. I've been a victim of that, right, being ahead of cool. So again, I've always expressed based off of my studies, my research when I started to care, when I didn't feel entitled to hip hop and I really wanted to get and understanding what this thing was about. I understood it was street urban culture personified through the arts or as the New York HOMEI say, the elements. That's the way you express the culture through these things.

And I think with that, like commercial arts, there's no room really to hear the phrase like educate your consumer. Sure, you know what I mean. You can't do that. It's not it's not like some new computer program where you have to educate you re sers. Eventually they'll learn to use this thing for their own benefit. In this they're just going to go somewhere else entirely to where they want to be. And that's all.

You know.

You have to be more, You have to be rooted in touch with the consumer base.

Shout out Squishy, She said, close parking because I'm not walking too far and it better be free. That's how you know, we get old. You start complaining. Yeah, you start complaining about shit like parking, the distance. And that's true because I'll be thinking to myself, like I feel like going through this, so I could feel certain ways that I could age out of hip hop. The only thing that works for me is always my street urban

A producer, Oh boy too without the dude naw team tempt Yeah, he's the writer of temperating like they understood the group and you can hear the haul of notes. I can't go for that in Billy Jean. So even though he had the pop records.

The rerecors with Paul McCartney, blah blah whatever, right, he was anchored in enough soul to make it work when it came to bad. The biggest thing going on the urban scene in nineteen eighty six, eighty seven, eighty eight, you know pre pre pre uh.

Pre about to say this again, about to say this shit again.

I know we're about to see pre pre Keith sweat, you know, establishing what became New Jacks Wing with Teddy Ridley, the father of New Jackson Wing. The biggest thing was a group out of New York. They called themselves, or wanted to call themselves, the New York City Players, the Ohio Players. The regul label wouldn't go for that, so they changed their name to Cameo. And I think that's

Do you feel like allows approach to the force was his focus on the Wii.

No Lell's attention to the force is classic. Okay, See, certain things are forever, like some parts of the culture go throughout. It don't matter what's happening that is permanent, Like we're gonna have a breakbeat hit, we have a boomback hit for sure, We're gonna have a boom back hit for the rest of our life. We gonna have you know, you gonna have Bruno Mars making some level of funk. You know it's gonna happen forever. Because some of these things are classic when done correctly. So like

He did the Dodge Challenger.

Exactly, fucking right, fucking that's Dodgs mort stink Donys come back with the Challenger.

That's a fact, Sam, It's a Camaro.

Certain things about culture. We gonna always love a pair of Dickey's, gonna always be a pair of dickies. Yeah, it's gonna be polarizing. Some people like that nigga wearing dickies, But trust me, there are people around the world every day wearing Dickies, like Chucks, like all Stars. Classic can never go wrong with a fresh.

Pair of Chucks, fresh pair of Ones.

Same thing in New York. The ones so lll to me. Stayed classic. He didn't. He didn't try to gamble. He didn't gamble on where today's movement was. He gambled on where black people are at or where culture is at, infinitely.

And he understood, like I thought, the brilliance of what Dodge did with the Challenge, understanding who Dodge is because they tried to be the Viper and it failed. They weren't gonna Dodge can't be the cyber truck. They could have made it or something like it, but their dodge. You can't come out and be that fucking energy with your Dodge. Eli can do.

It because it's fucking enough, and he don't exactly. I agree. I agree.

I hate that damn truck and people.

Love it, but I get why, and that's cool, But that don't mean you go out and try to make the goddamn cybertruck. You don't have the brand to make that. Dude is on some ways, and I'm sure it's some something sometime that's in his design that we just don't know about. We ain't figured it out. That's like when you listen to for Real music, Forarrell could discuise for

Now you know, I just found out the other day that that hot in here is fucking busting loose.

And when you said it, I just caught it.

You're right, it's crazy, straight, Wow, that shit is crazy.

He's just nasty bro. He's like the Elon Musk of hip hop bro. And it's funny because when you really think about it, bro, Like even like when he first came out, we was talking about it, you know on ADHD, right, we were talking about it. Him embracing skater culture as another form of street urban culture. Not that he's a skater, he skated probably as a kid, everybody skating when he was a kid, but for him to understand that approach and a lot of people didn't know what he was

It's gonna work as long as.

Manny Fresh, don't be trying to Matti Fresh can't be listening to too much. Like he gotta hear what mouse is doing or what the next generation is doing, but he gotta do it the Maddy Fresh way. Because as Greate as Quick was, he's one of the greatest, just an infinite, brilliant genius. What doctor Dre was able to do with the same thing, if that's his true inspiration, Like I believe look what he was able to do with the ship that shit went out of orbit. So he so for Dre if it mattered to him, or

They're like consultants that you bring in as an early upstart company to help you scale out. Yeah, you get a creative guy, he's the CEO. Enough money comes in, what do they do They boot that fucking guy. I'll give a fact check and bring somebody in who's an expert to take it to market. Yes, and Dre is the best at taking it to market that there has ever been. He might not be the most at the wheel, but always compare it to pitchers.

There's very few producers or pictures back in pitch nine innings, I mean start to finish, make a top forty song. Yeah, that is tough. It ain't been a lot of human beings that could they can pitch nine innings, and especially in a championship situation. Nine innings, right, that's just not rare. It's a handful of guys, Teddy Riley, it's a handful of guys. Most producers are starting or closers. Doctor dra to me, doctor Drake can make a beat that he

So that's that mean?

Is that more?

And so because of the because of the mix, because of the he'll add something to it or something like that.

All of the above, d.

D.

All of the above, he's gonna add something, he gonna change his first off, the quality that he just has in his backpack and quality of sounds. Like Warren G. That was one of the greatest things Warren G told me. Warren G's like glasses. Most of the mixing starts in production, and I never heard that. This is why it's important to have them fucking elders like Warren and and and Dre and cat like. You know, that's why I asked them, and I know they get annoyed.

You know.

Hip hop does have this weird space to where people are retarded. It very much is the movement of we, right. The culture is the movement of we, but the business is the movement of them. And we all trying to make a dime or two. Bro that just come with the territory, were all trying to make some goddamn money. We ain't in this shit. We in the shit to express it, but we also in this motherfucker to make

Well, I mean, yeah, they're half the seats in the arena are just the acting management.

So when people ask me, can you age out of hip hop? You can put yourself in a position to be on your own. But it's a choice to pay attention to what everybody's doing. It's a choice.

I don't know, man.

I think I mean, I understand it's saying completely though, but I think if you because what I'm getting from what you're saying is that it's like a fall of the leader type thing right there, Like what's working.

I'm making sure you're not saying.

No, no, right now there's no wonder.

I don't like cookie Cutter ship though you know what I'm saying, I don't like the.

But that that's not quite what I will do. Shout out to Lex. Hip hop will always be mine. I respect your point glasses, but no, I will never age out. I didn't say that. You didn't hear what I just said. Lex That Lex Lex, Yeah, that's Lex legs. You didn't hear what I said, Lex, I said, you can't. You can only check out. You can only decide that you have no more investments into weed.

Yeah, and at that point, you just.

Walked out on your own. It's nothing to do with you growing up. You just decided that we don't matter anymore.

So everybody's I mean, you're I'm sitting here, this is where I am. I'm in hip hop. Well everybody got up and went over there, but you stayed there. So guess what, You're not in it anymore. You're still right where you are.

You could be over here and be looking at what they doing. This is the thing Premier couldn't ever do what with Cash Cobain does. Premier could never do what Cash Cobain does.

But Timberland can't. But Timberland can.

Well, but this is the thing Premier can make what Cash Cobain does a million times better.

I don't agree, it's for sure. I don't agree it's for sure. You know I you know why Timberlin can make it and Premier can't make it. For Man per Mans cut from the from the mally cop break beats and samples. That's it right there. You know what I'm saying with Timberland. With Timberland is with Timberland's instruments, sounds and so.

And so forth.

It's crediting what Premier does in his knowledge in the space samples and break beats. It's way more nuanced in that.

That's what he does too.

No, he does his understanding. Trap you don't. You can't not the how. It's the how.

Like say, it's like you're trying to scale out some new food you've invented. Some who who's like like a Wolfgang Puck's gonna come through because he can have a restaurant that's got five hundred locations and people will eat there based off of his the manner in which he cooks. And you're the hottest new Thai fusion guy in Hollywood, and you want to go from being you know, the coolest one spot niche restaurant to being big. He's gonna say, look, you need to add a little bit of cream here.

And they don't do that.

You know, this is what I'm telling Trap. His understanding of sonics would take him to another level. And one thing you got to understand about Premier, he's on the heart and soul of New York's hip hop scene for thirty years. He's the core of it. He is the classic broll.

He's not bro that from the outside looking at you'll like to say that right there be but we got you put him over with Pete Rock.

I'm putting over. I'm not putting doctor DJ Quick. We're just using them as examples. They are all in their own lanes of what they do. It's not one of the the other. Pete hold Up. Pete is another supreme level of mastery when it comes to the heart and soul of New York Street urban culture. Same for Rizza, who I've told you off offline is probably the greatest in my mind. If we're not talking even about the

See, I gotta keep a grand I gotta keep disagreeing with it because to the fact of you would have never, You'd have never for what Cash co Bain was able to do, you know what I'm saying. So that wasn't nothing, that wasn't the same, that was him. I like the youth, I like youth production, like I like the first off. I love I love old older production. I love I love Pete Rock, I love from Me all that because

You know what I'm saying.

They able to use the instruments and bring out different different swings, different method and I'm saying different different different break and I'm saying different breaks and all that ship like that. You know what I'm saying. That comes from the youth with the challenge themselves and not trying to be like us. You know what I'm saying, Stop doing that. It's the reason you have kids.

Don't sit up here and keep talking like your kids could be somebody without you. Your kids gonna go up to be who they is, but without your guidance, they be in troubled.

Listen, what I understand what they're having kids is when I first had my kids, right, what I thought was like, Yo, I'm gonna I'm gonna mold my kid to be exactly the way I want them to be.

It's not. That's not that's not the same. That's not what it's not.

It's not mold them to what you want to be and what they want to be.

It's impossible to motioned kids to the way you want them to be.

That's not even we're not even talking about that. I'm telling you what Sheerley Dray knows about it. Okay, okay, are they still using snares in Kirk Cobain's beat.

Not all the time now, all the time he uses like Kirk cop band beats. He uses fucking like like little fucking like little sounds and charms.

On the whole. He's using a tom instead of a snare.

Yo, bro, I'm telling you, brother man.

Does he use a percussion high hats and stuff like that, any percussion any.

Like that?

Yeah, Premier knows more about percussions. His wisdom and information. It knows more about percussions than somebody who hasn't worked with percussions.

Make a beat, yes, all right, so Permier makes a beat. He simples all his drums, samples, all his drum breaks. Sample is straight simple and he gotta he got a list of drum breaks he's using right there.

In the studio, so you can see what he's doing.

I seen what he did.

I'm talking about. I'm talking about not just from inception to finish, when they mixing the breaks.

Okay, Okay, I got you, because.

That's the same thing we're talking about.

And this is one he means like when you say closers, it's it's refining what's already there. And and with these guys, they it's not what they did with that song was so great. It's they heard a thousand songs, they chose that song, and then they refined it that song, discarding all the others. It's a whole process.

And I think and that and see, I think that's the confusion. And I think that's what's wrong with where the space is at now.

It's not enough appreciation for with as well. We'll go back to the White Lightning. Sure, I'm sure you thought all eight of those songs were fired yep. Are you wanting to put them on there?

Yep?

He listened to all of them and said that one's the one they want.

Yep.

And that's three quarters of the work right there. And it makes sense that it came from Saint Danton who at that time his sound had broke through. He had figured something out. But again, whoever, whichever wisdom. So the agent out of hip hop is probably not possible if you are truly the culture itself. But I think you could check out. I think you can decide to stop paying attention to we. So it's not a follow the

Got some They got to develop into that though.

But most people start with training wheels to ride about it. It's gonna be very few human beings that just hop on the bigans, popa wheelie and go. So what we're hearing is a lot of people using beats, right that are training wheel beats the elite level. Uh, take Keith Pete. Take Keith. Don't sound like mustard.

I think of like a like a good as far as how these small details are the separators, Like Manny Fresh came out of a dense environment of people creating like that same kind of sound at that time in New Orleans, right, everybody's kind of doing the same thing, the little things that he did with his sound, which was the same type of sound, using the same type of everything, because that was the sound of the city at the time, is what separated and made that Super

Yeah, I agree, that's there, So I don't want to hold that against hip hop. You just have a lot more training wheel, beach trap. That's all because most people didn't have a music program, so they're only they're emulating something right there, and then those beats are being selected. But if you look at the major league pitchers and professional hip hop today, at at a professional level, none

Hip hop is I agree with them that within it being the wee.

And what we did was we turned, we turned so so we turned James Brown drummer, Al Green drummers, we reinvaded, we rented, we reinvaded that. Their their drum breaks they they came up with, and we made it into hip hop right there. You know what I'm saying. And that's what we did. You know what I'm saying, for the most part of every hip hop so on, you're gonna here, it's the same drum.

As a Greens drummer is James Brown drummer.

I forgot that. I got the dude's names right there. But those breaks they was using right there, we reinvented, we went, We reinvented that right there and made it into hip hop. You know what I'm saying, and through so much even even if you playing it at or you even sampling the ship, that's the that's the breaks that we use right there, you know what I'm saying.

So we my bad.

We did a bad tapping table, but we did we did like yeah, so I get the weed. You know what I'm saying. We took We took it and made it into hours. I always say hip hop is hip hop. Is the only drama that could take anything and make it to hip hop.

You know what I'm saying.

I can make could do it. But no, no, every every Jona can't do it. Every Jona can't do it. Every Jona can't do it. Poppa is the only Grama. We could take anything and make it to hip hop. We could take anything.

I think everybody else could do that.

Okay, So if you look.

At what Ray Charles did with with Must Be Jesus, and he turned it into soul, I'm sure they could turn.

The way he sang it, the way he sang it though.

How he played it.

There's cases of this in the in the like there's songs that like James Taylor did that, and he's a very folky, hippie, earthy rock and roll. I guess you want to call him that singer. And there's a honestly Brothers hit that was one of his songs that they just did. Like that has happened this president for that, but.

I do I agree with But again, that goes into the movement of we. We saw us dance the dance break and we was like, Okay, we're gonna reorganize the melody of what's happening over something that makes your feet move. That's all Drake. That's all Drake Quick Warren and those guys did and Cat did you know we can freak it. It's just Ray Parker Jr. Tell Tunit and buot. It ain't nothing but the association like what people are going to move to? What is the we going to move to?

Yeah