Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No Sealer's podcast with your hosts now fuck That with your loaw glasses Malone So most death. Oh yes, right, So I had this conversation probably like I don't know two three years ago, but it resurfaced on the Breakfast Club last year. Yes, me and Charlottagne and Mby was talking about it, and it was the same thing about why Drake isn't hip hop?
Yeah, and.
I see what happened, bro, It's been like so much shit about It's been so much shit people confuse rap and hip hop. So you have people screaming like, oh Drake can rap, and I'm like, rap is the mainstream delivery system, you know, of music entertainment at this point, Like Madonna can't see medium.
Hip hop is the content so to speak.
Yeah, right, Madonna can't sing, but the way you made music at that time, you you singing, right, So she might have kind of interpreted funk in her own way, right, she might interpreted funk in her own way, or you know, R and B in her own way, but that don't mean Madonna is an R and B artist. Yeah, So I'm starting to understand the problem people hear Drake rap, so they're like, oh, anybody who rap is hip hop?
If you rap, your hip hop, And it's like, so you're behind on the A ball because you're not looking at rap as you know, the delivery system that has went pop to the fact that like Mighty Cyrus has a fucking album.
It's like saying fred Durst back of that what was that rock group he had like in the turn of the millennium, Like he was hip hop because he rapped the verses.
On the metal band.
Yeah, great point, and or like saying or like saying, uh, Debbie Harry from Blondie is a hip hop artist because she rapped on raptor.
True.
So it's this weird space that's happening. And I think because anytime they hear some fucking body rap, rap is the new way to say nigga. Straight up. Rap is the new way to say nigga. He's a rapper. Now, Drake is a rapper. Drake does make rap songs. But if you go to the the beginning of hip hop, bro hip hop is culture. Hip hop is the like one of the earliest genres to lead with culture before music.
I got one for you, Okay, Drake is in hip hop the equivalent to an atheist gospel singer.
Atheist gospel singer. Oh man, that's funny, but no, hokuh so, I get it. You're a sick nigga, bro, You're for sure. You said hold up, hold up? Uh Ali? Send me your ali, uh uh ali? What's your email? I'm gonna send you a link for But the long story short, hip hop is culturally. It's a presentation of culture, sure, through rapping, through graffiti, through djaying, through you know, the elements that niggas keep thinking hip.
Hop, break breakdance into seawalking dancing.
Right, it's a presentation of culture through these arts. Sure, you don't learn how to break dance. Breakdance has some structure, but it's really a natural thing based off of where you grew up. The way people break in the Bronx is different than the way people break in La.
Yeah.
What how you wrap in New York is different than how you rap in Los Angeles or how you wrap in Saint Louis. And what makes Drake a pop artist is literally he just raps, like whichever of these cultures he emulating, Yeah, whichever these cultures he's emulating that's what he does. Sure, Sure, hip hop is street urban culture presented through the arts, the arts that hip hop created the aspects of how they express New York. Shout out to the Bronx niggas for how they created the way
it is delivered through the arts. But it's street urban culture. Sure. And it's like why people don't get it.
I think a lot of you know, I would argue for right or for wrong, and I'll probably catch them flag for it.
And it's not because I'm white.
It's just coincidental for the conversation that like Paul wall is maybe a little bit more hip hop than actually is Drake.
Sure, Sure that, like Eminem right, because it is street urban culture. It is street urban culture. And like I've had this conversation a million times, people fighting, oh man, god, this, that and the third. It doesn't mean Drake is not tight. It doesn't mean Drake is not a rapper. That's not what it means. It doesn't mean Drake doesn't have dope raps. It doesn't mean Drake doesn't have dope sixteens. It doesn't mean Drake doesn't respect really great hip hop artists. But
he himself is not a hip hop artist. He is not a presentation of culture. And what makes him a pop artist is he's an emulation of culture.
Yeah, yeah, like he'll.
It's it's like in you know, a couple of these books that have read, they define information as surprised. You know, like I've said to you if you if I tell you something you already know, you're not getting any information. Sure and kind of in that sense, Drake can only as you were saying, like he can own you. Drake will never bring new culture to the game. It will never happen. There are a lot of other rappers and
hip hop that have and can do that. Drake will never unveil a new element of urban culture through one of his songs as him being the absolute like patient zero, you know what I mean.
Nor does he even represent other cultural occurrences based off Toronto Street urban culture. Not even based off Toronto Street urban culture, like the Toronto Street niggas I know, bro, are not like Drake. They don't talk like Drake, they don't act like Drake. The one thing that makes hip hop fantastic, Bro, and this is really a hardcore twelve years thirteen, fourteen years of studying this shit, not like oh, I listened to the songs or or you know, I
got the albums, I read the credits. Those is all cuzed like natural fanatic things to do because I went and talked to these niggas. I went and touched the soil where these niggas was at. I didn't just fuck around. I went to really get it, to understand what my job was as a hip hop artist. Like this shit is serious. I'm not When I made two Park months, that's not me emulating shit. That's me delivering what you
should expect from a Los Angeles hip hop artist. The cultural aspect of morality presented through something that the whole world knew about. And then I gave you morality from La street urban life how we see things.
Sure, how.
Is there an argument maybe that could be made that perhaps Drake is reflective of Disney Corporation street urban culture.
That's my point. It would have to be like and then I was having an Okay, no ceilings, no ceilings, so we're trying some I'm dow on no ceilings. So if you're on ig live, this is on YouTube. If you go to my YouTube, it's on YouTube as well. It's on ig live. So we're trying something new just to I'm starting to feel around because we're going into the fourth season of No Ceilings, so I'm starting to look for really creative ways to bring y'all a culture.
The conversation, the barbershop conversation. You feel me. And so if you if you're on my IG live, go to my YouTube. You can go to my YouTube comment fuck with niggas. You come to my ig live, fuck with it. Pete in the house. You can see Pete if you on YouTube. Either way, It's all love. Now, what'd you
say again to me? The Disney Corporation. I was talking to this kid and I was explaining to him, like, right, if you just look up the word culture, right, it's it's culture for the most part is poor people Like pizza is poor Italian culture. Me wrong. Everybody in Italy at this point probably likes the Eve pizza, but it's poor Italian culture, just like tacos are poor Mexican culture,
just like Chitling's is poor slave American culture. Right, and then everybody adopts it, and then everybody claims the fame, and then shit becomes black culture or Italian culture or everybody. Right, But this is really the conversation or the object of the poor. Poor people create culture because wealthy people, Bro don't need to, they're not. Culture is like a kind of a forced evolution of get down, Like slang comes from bad education, bad schooling, you know what I mean,
like not schooling. That's not teaching a great lesson. I mean, it's not birthed in the suburbs. You mean, because there will be no need fashion. The ability to take dickies, which is some poor worker clothes every day laborer closed and make them a fashion statement could only happen in the poorest places of Los Angeles. Sure to push your grandfather's car cubs out the yard, his old fifty eight beat up Impala and push it out the yard and fix it up and put hydraulics on it and all
of that. Those are statements of poor people trying to figure out how to enjoy their life. Remember even the breaks themselves, right, the breaks is niggas who didn't know how to play music finding a break. They if they had drummers, they could just play the goddamn break. They knew how to drum and had expensive as drum sets, cause they could just play the breaks. Bro they wouldn't need to have fucking two turntables to play the fucking breaks.
You just fucking play the break and guess what, it probably wouldn't fucking be a break because at that point it be fucking drums.
Sure.
Look, one thing poor people do really well. Shout out to the ghetto niggas, the Spades and all the niggas that created hip hop. Poor people know how to make being poor look fucking cool. Poor people, hip hop. Hip hop created poor people looking cool because before that it was not cool to be poor. Hip Hop created that shit. Hip hop had wealthy people wearing fucking penaltents. Hip hop has wealthy people buying cheap shit. And guess what happened
to the cheap shit. The cheap shit become expensive shit, and they fucking core task now is two hundred dollars because some poor people said this is cool. That's what hip hop did. That's what hip hop is. Poor motherfuckers making their life look cool and then they present it to you and you're like, man, look at them motherfuckers. They having fun.
Still sure, yeah, I don't disagree with that that.
Them motherfuckers is having fun. That's how the world look hip hop is the first. I'm talking about all over the world. I'm talking to fuck China, Japan, cuz, fucking Russia, Europe, any fucking where nobody made poor look cool. Hip hop made poor look cool. So I get it. You get the middle class kids, the upper class kids who want to come in and they like man and they they look cool, so they want to sit at the cool table. I know what Drake did. Drake saw that shit. I
watched Chris Brown. Chris Brown's a fucking millionaire. Chris Brown's a millionaire or multi millionaire, a fucking genius, and he wanted to He wanted to associate and assimilate with the poor people. That's what hip hop did. Hip Hop took these poor things cause that we got trapped with and made them look cool. That's what hip hop is Cuz hip hop ain't nothing but the poor people making their everyday artistic expressions look brilliant. And everybody won't in. Oh,
everybody won't in now, everybody won't in. Everybody won't d So Drake saw. So Drake starts his career off. He's like, you know what this guy Jay Dill, I've been hearing about him. You can look at old interviews, Cause with Drake on YouTube talking shit about slang, I don't use that term. I don't even talk like that. This is Drake. Drake is a fucking middle class kid who grew up
in a George community. Yes, Cus Pops is a brother from Memphis, but if you listen to Cuz he didn't spend a lot of time with his pops said his pops wasn't around.
Sure, I'm not saying nothing much about Drake says I was really really raised in Memphis.
No, nothing about Cub says that. Right, But that's the point. So people like when if you're just black, hold on, Black people can be culture vultures too, And that's the hardest part for niggas to accept. See, black people can't be racism based off of how they redefined racism. Right, This systemic oppression of the power the economics to truly o press the class is what the new definition of racism mean. It's no longer supremacy just based off race,
or feeling of supremacy or inferiority based off race. We passed that. Now it's like the actual you carrying it out. Do you have the power and the money to carry out the complet. So that's how they define racism. I'm cool with that. Whatever. Cool, same motherfucking thing. What were we talking about right now? Same shit? So I've been asking everybody, say, Man, I'm gonna ask you, Pete. We don't fucking know Shillings, right, I'm gonna ask you. What kind of cars do Miami street urban guys drive?
Well, everybody knows that box and what's the slang word for him?
It's not dunks.
It's called dunks, right, that's cool dumps? Right? What kind of shoes boots do guys from New York wear? The street urban guys from New York, what's the brand of boots they wear?
Having never been there, I'm only going off a rumor, but from what I gather, it's Timberlands.
It's Timberlands, right, Okay? Yes, have you had any idea what kind of pants niggas from New Orleans were? Street urban guys from New Orleans coach.
Like jeebos or something like that.
Or whoa right? Okay, got right? Okay? Jabo's okay? What kind of wheels do niggas street urban people from Houston put on their cars?
Eighty four'st baby swinging, right, poking out. Yeah, yeah, pokes Okay.
Right, Los Angeles, we wear a jacket. That's not a jacket, it's more of a flannel. What's the name of that flannel? What brand makes that flannel?
Sh what the Dickies flannel?
The Pendleton flannel, Right, that's what we call flannels. So what's funny is we've been calling flannels pendletons so long that we didn't even realize Pendleton makes a brand of flannels. It's not actually the name of the flannel, right, But this is how long we've been calling them Pendletons because Pendleton, it's the fucking flannel. What kind of shoes? LA guys, If you see an LA guy, you want to know he's gonna wear what kind of shoes?
Well, historically it would be Converse All Stars.
Right there, you go. Right, you're a white guy from Orange County. Okay, I'm gonna go even deeper because I'm gonna go deeper. Sure, this might be a challenge for you. It is because this real hip hop knowledge, because true hip hop not what kind of glasses do street urban guys from Detroit wear? Oh man, this is gonna be tough because you gotta be deep into it.
Yeah, and just that's just one of those things I just never gave a second thought about. Was like glasses because I don't wear I don't even wear sunglasses.
Right, so they weare. They're called buffs Cardier, the Cardier glasses. They call them buffs after Detroit cultural street urban thing. That's what it is. It's cultural buffs, right, and and that's what hip hop presented us to. All of those things are fashions transportation. If I say give me a New Orleans street urban slang word, you can say wody.
Yeah.
If I ask the same thing, you know what Saint Louis, Let's go to Saint Louis. How do Saint Louis.
Right?
How does a Saint Louis? Niggas say there vern right with a fucking you.
Right?
She does? Saint Lunatics Click introduced us to fucking Saint Louis cultures. Why you know.
That sexy red If you didn't know it, wanted her saw she said, she says such and such and such.
An and my tongue got a person but like like a piercing but it sounds like person exactly.
That's why I argue niggas down, Like, bro, you can't tell me Sexy Red ain't fucking Saint Louis culture. This little bit street urban culture.
She's she named streets.
That ship is pure hip hop. That's like per That is the culture nigga with a different like nigga. That is so much culture, nigga, you probably need to dilute it. That's why niggas is mad right now, because Sexy Red is culture undiluted. That ship pure colt like you need to cut that. You need to add some pro caine to that. Some baker so that turned that into rocks. So niggas because these niggas can't handle that Peruvian flake. That little bit is Peruvian flake, nigga. That bitch is pure.
I mean looking at the old Yeah, this little this little bitch is really a hood little bit. I like this little bit.
Why I was such a fan when shit came out. I was like, I want to wholesale this ship.
You take this ship, you supposed to wholesale all that out to the market, and I get it. You don't have to like it pure. Guess what niggas didn't like NWA, Like the people don't get this. When n w A fucking came out the way most Black people, especially the niggas who feel they are sophisticated. They hated n w A. The Black churches was the greatest opposition to the song Fuck the Police, Black people. Black churches was the greatest opposition to NWA. The Black Church hated on Snoop Dogg
the fucking most. The Black church hated on Snoop Dogg the most, not the white church, the Black church.
But they liked Kanye.
That's the truth.
And I know because we've made of mister West before.
Boy see, and that's what happened. They think they gonna get these motherfucking see they got Kanye. See, they thought snooping and was bad. They was like, these niggas just bly bib. These niggas is cool niggas. Dog is just a nigga from a poor family, nigga trying to get some coin. Nigga and representing Kanye is like, motherfucking listen, you can't control Kanye with no fucking money. You can't even get cuzz to ease up with no money. He is the worst type of black person for white people.
He is a fucking savage who don't know clubs with opportunity and money, and they thought they got one in there. They tried to sneak cousin there. I thought they had a cool one that they was gonna swing the pendulum over to where they could do the same thing Cuz they deal with rock, they can do the same thing in hip hop, because that's really what the goal is. The goal is do the same thing with hip hop that you did with rock music. The Dosley Brothers were
a rock grew. Funkadelic was a rock grew. They were rock groups, rock groups. Somebody realized firsthand that the labels wasn't spending no more money on black rock. So guess what they did, because they flipped the R and B and funk. Because at the end of the day, people still gotta make a living. It's fucking all the Iy Brothers, five of these motherfuckers, a family of these motherfuckers. You gotta make money, so we're not. The Isley Brothers first hit record is a rock song.
Yeah, didn't they get this. They jump started Elton John's career.
Twist and Shout is a rock song. Somebody can to them niggas and said, hey, they're not going to keep putting money into black rock, you better change it better and them niggas, dum them niggas went to R and B. Same thing with Funkadelic, with funka Delic was all them rock songs and shit early on. If you better changing shit, they not putting dollars into black rock. So now you look up right, Pete, fifty fucking years later, there's not a nigga in sight of rock. There's not a nigga
inside of rock. Yeah, ain't no black jazz person gonna get no fucking budget. And the same thing is gonna happen to hip hop if you don't set a parameter of what's going on, because those same dollars will get moved to other shit. If you truly believe in systemic racism, if you truly believe in systemic oppression, bro, if you truly believe in that shit, then you know, goddamn well, they is not trying to give no motherfucking body money, not no person they oppressing. Do you either believe in
it or you don't. If you're a black person, If you believe in it, you know goddamn well, they're not trying to give a nigga no money. So they're trying to figure out how to move the dollars away from the ghetto. Why would you empower who you are oppressing? Why would you give economics to somebody you oppressing? If you believe in oppression. Now, if we don't, we can have this conversation. We can shake it off, and then it's cool. If Drake is hip hop, then it's cool.
If Drake is hip hop. But if you trying, if you truly believe hip hop was the ghetto giving giving voice to the ghetto, because that's what hip hop is. Right now, I ask you all these crazy questions, right, I ask you some shit all. If I say, give me a slang word from New York, how do they reference each other when they talking to each other?
Or like son shit son?
Right?
How do La Street urban guys reference each other when they talking to each other?
That's on what side they're from?
Right? Right? Trus blood?
Right?
Okay? How the Bay Area niggas? What kind of cars? What's the reference of cars that Bay Area niggas ride?
Damn it, I forgot that. That's have to live there, said, what do that call us? Goddamn things?
It's a scraper? Oh yeah, that's right, a fucking scraper.
That's right.
And and and and up there everyone. They say blood to.
Everyone in the same sentence. I haven't heard because we know this because hip hop gave us all of these things. Hip hop gave us all of these things. I wouldn't know ship about Saint Louis if not for the Saint Loan. It takes if Nellie and all them niggas and and I Lead and and and Chingy and all these niggas and teach me about, how the fuck would I know unless I was selling dope over there on my summer vacation like ice Cue, how the fuck would I know?
I fucking wouldn't know. The reason I know how Saint Louis niggas talk, what kind of cars, they whatever kind of shit they did, is because of some fucking hip hop. Because them niggas brought the culture to Watts and it took over Watts. Saint Louis Culch, it took over Watts, but we got it through hip hop, right, So we had this commisation. Give me one motherfucking thing you know about Toronto. Drake got thirteen albums, seven hundred and sixty
six songs, fucking a million videos. You can't tell me one of these things you know about fucking Toronto. They do not say whoa Quinn Miller wrote that that's fucking New Orleans. Tell me what kind of cars do Toronto niggas drive? What's they called?
Thought they use? I thought they used public transportation up there.
Yes, it sounds cool. Tell me the car. Give me a car. Give me a car, Toronto nigga drive. You just said, you just said to Miami niggas, Chevy Vault. Fucking you just you just said, right, you just said New Orleans niggas, right, they drive dumps. Yeah, you just said the bearry nigga drive scrapers, La niggas. What the car do l A niggas drive? Street urban niggas in La rider?
Right?
Okay, right, you got that right to win. Tell me the car Toronto niggas drive. Give me the car.
Did it's the Chevy Vault, the street electric cars or the Honda Leaf. I think they drive the Honda Leaf because that whole maple leaf.
Thing, the Honda.
I had an idea real quick for a great opportunity for Drake. I've been thinking this for years. This is years old observation that if he really wanted to make a great Canadian song, he could do the juvenile huh and instead and every sentence in a like Canadians.
So please wrap that for me.
I don't know, I don't have I don't have the bars on me. I just know that, you know what like like juveniles a Canadians.
Sometimes I forget you a comic because because you smart. But did you fuck this dude? Okay? So my point is right, So you don't know, right, Okay, So you can't tell me. You could tell me that the La Niggas drive Lo Los. You can tell me that the Miami Niggas street urban guys, right, donks tell me the Bay Area radscrapers. But you can't tell me.
The only singular observation that I have for Drake having any proximal association with Toronto is his business relationship with like Popcorn and some of the Jamaican artists. Because of the Caribbean presence in Toronto. That's it.
But there that might and that might be serendipitous anyway.
But the but the Caribbean presence is also in New York. But there is a street urban culture in Toronto. Toronto is not this hell a nice place that everybody's doing well and every last person has money. Toronto. Nigga got ghettos. And the reason you have no fucking idea is because this nigga is not from the ghetto. He's not close to the ghetto. He don't he barely know niggas from the ghetto. This is a middle class kid who grew up in a Jewish community. On television.
Yes, from what I gather, so.
I can ask you a thousand things. You don't know what kind of cars they drive. Give me lingo, give me Toronto lingo.
Six tried with a If that fails, I got nothing.
You've been making music professionally for fifteen, sixteen years sixteen.
His music sounds like to me, it's sound because he's a good, you know, writer of rhyming lines. I feel like he just goes on Twitter and aggregates, like whatever phrases.
He looks at what's going on on Black Twitter, and he makes a song about it. Yeah, whenever things get hot, he'd be like, Okay, that's that. Madonna does the same thing. That's what pop artists do. They take the very top of the urban culture that's coming through the underground and they take it and then they represent it. Yeah, Drake had a song with Dirt talking about he spun blocks.
Can I make a really off color joke?
Please?
Please please?
Was that not a Dradle reference?
Wow? No, that's not what it was, Pete's not what it was.
I'm trying to learn.
My building is extremely Orthodox Jewish, so I'm learning little nuanced is like those little scrolls by the doorway and stuff. Everyone down my hallway and that, and they don't use the elevators like on the weekends and stuff like that. They all take the stairs I'm picking up. There's there's not a cultural footprint like the one that I'm in back in California like that.
Well, this is the weird part, right, this is the weird part. I'm Joey here steal his stell man. Make sure it's still still still.
I heard her rumor that steels coming on. That must have been a lie.
Yeah, still is crazy. Okay. So this is the point, right, And this is another thing that's abused. Right when people hear elements, and they hear the five fucking elements. And I hate talking to niggas about this because they think they get what it means, but they fucking get it. Listen, m seeing existed before hip hop dancing existed before hip hop. DJing existed before hip hop. Graffiti existed before hip hop.
Hip Hop didn't create any of these things, and these things are not mutually exclusive to hip hop, like rapping or him singing is not exclusively only to hip hop. Singing is not exclusively only to R and B. So people like, well he raps, he's an MC. That's gonna be often. You're gonna hear that so fucking much right now because hip hop popularized him singing rapping to another level that everybody from different genres can take it and adapt it and use it for their own fucking music.
The elements are ways you express the culture. It's not the act itself, it's expressing the culture through those ways. Artistically, DJ's been around, bro, niggas been at DJs, niggas been had DJs. Bro, djn ain't nothing new. They jan old as fuck. You thought DJ started.
In the fucking seventies, never gave it any thought.
Actually, DJ and didn't start in the seventies. There was fucking disco DJs the fucking DJ's way before that, bro.
But that was the sixties. The seventies. Disco was the seventies.
Dj I'm saying before it listen, even before it was before hip hop, Joe Text was rapping niggas being graffiti.
Like.
People keep thinking hip hop created the elements, No, they didn't. They popularized the elements. But hip hop is when you express the arts through these elements. That's what they're referencing as hip hop. Now that can be involved in right filmmaking. There's going to be a filmmaking style of hip hop coming that would be growth. That would be an evolution, That would be an evolution. That and only that would be an evolution. It's not an evolution because you allowing
white fucking people to do fucking music. That's not what an evolution is. It's notop bro. And so I can go down a list of things that you cannot tell me about Toronto street urban lifestyle, because even though you heard Drake fourteen albums, fourteen albums, endless videos, interviews, sixteen years of presence, you will not be able to tell me one thing about street urban lifestyle in Toronto because Drake hasn't ever told you any of it. But yet
you knew. Yet you knew the first fucking time you heard Snoop Dogg. The first time you saw Doctor Drake, you knew what kind of cars. The first album Doctor Dre put out The Chronic, the first album. You knew what kind of cars. La guys drive, LA Street Urban guys j were. The first Doctor Dre video, the first one, Not fucking Drake. Cubs got forty video, fifty sixty videos. You still have no fucking idea. The first Doctor Dre video, You knew what type of cars Los Angeles Street Urban
lifestyle guys drive. The first song, the first song bro, The first juvenile video you ever saw in your life. Hi, you knew what kind of pants New Orleans Street urban guys wore.
And we knew they wore rebox down there.
Right there the first day, the first video you saw from juvenile on a mainstream level. You knew culturally what New Orleans street fashion was about. You knew how they talked. You heard certain words like whoa dad? You like, what the fuck is that? That was New Orleans slang and reference how they communicate with each other. You learned that the first juvenile video Drake is seventy videos in CAUZ And you still don't know none of this shit, None
of this shit. You don't know, and there's not no other reason besides the fact he is not hip hop. He's had a lowrider in his video. He did the motto and put a lowrider under the Bay Bridge. He put a lowrider under the Bay Bridge.
He does make some women's hair references though, from time to time.
He put a lowrider under the Bay Bridge.
Yeah, somebody asked me disrespected by that?
Yes, we felt disrespected by that.
I would too. I would too.
Why the fuck would you put a lowrider under the Bay Bridge? Because guess what, when you're from outside of the culture, you see it as just West Coast culture. It's the Bay Area Bridge and lowriders. They go together, It's California because you're not fucking from the culture. So you saw all this shit, you heard all these other niggas lingos in his song Spun the Block Woes blah
blah blah. Right, but sixth war Brid conversation that he turned six into Toronto, even though I mean six ward to last, all this dose shit that you hear, but you still don't know one mother fucking thing about mother fucking Toronto because guess why, I don't know where fucking
Madonna's from either. And I don't know shit about where people from where Madonna is from, because I don't know nothing about him, because you don't know shit about pop artists because pop artists don't sell no motherfucking cultures.
Similarly, and this might be a little unpopular, I learned very little about Gary Indiana from Michael Jackson.
And this is why I don't compare Michael Jackson and Drake Like. Somebody said it to me, well, why would you reference him like Madonna? And I explained to him, I said, Madonna used to do the same thing with urban music. She would take urban music, the highlights of it, and turn it into pop songs. Right now, shit was dope. The hood niggas love Madonna, but we all knew she was.
How much of that was her, like like on the production sort of side, how much of Madonna that we saw and result was actually the fruit of Madonna versus just an apparatus that said, here's this woman that we could sure.
Because she's not a prep.
Yeah, you know what I think if it happened, because that's similar maybe with Michael to a.
Degree, he had a right I'm gonna tell you why it's different, Right, I think it has to be Madonna's mind because it was so consistent. Eventually, like so, maybe it doesn't start that way. Maybe you know, she has her own max more than like like like, that's.
Why I would think it isn't.
But but I'm gonna tell you why. Eventually, because artists grow powerful and they start to carry out their own visions. Yeah, her really, yes, So I genuinely believe somewhere along the line it has something to do with her. But this is why I don't compare. This is why I reference
Kanye as closer to Michael Jackson than a Drake. Michael Jackson is brought up in R and B. Sure, Michael Jackson was brought up in R and B. Michael Jackson's kids and Gary and Diana grew up in Gary, Indiana, move to LA and it was brought up in R and B through the Motown system. Michael Jackson five is an R and B group, right who had pop success. That's why I always call Kanye West Michael Jackson. Kanye West is Michael Jackson. Drake is Madonna likek at that
Kanye came up like Michael Jackson. His mom brought him up in the black experience of being black. He may. I'm not sure where him in poverty sits at. Maybe as far you know, this is a whole other conversation, but you know, maybe it's not as far. I know, he wasn't raised in the ghetto, you know what I mean. And again, there are some exceptions to the rule in the conversation hip hop hip hop being ghetto, right, there
are some exceptions to the rules. But the fucking exception is not the fucking rule.
Of course, the exception is not Bro.
The exception is not the mother fucking rule. This is not an assassination on Drake. This is not like the attempt to to demote Drake, like Bro. Drake is fucking fantastic as a.
Drake is gonna be fine because he's he's over talented.
His ear for the game is dope. Forty's ear for the game is dope. These niggas are scientists at this ship, and Drake is not shabby with that. P in the nigga game is nice. The nigga's a talented mc or. He can hold a note well enough to be a really decent singer, so he's fantastic. He studies the game. He studies the game, so that's going to always work. He will be just fine, you know what I mean, if he's not declared. I had to think about this.
If he's not declared a hip hop artist, does it really hurt him?
Know?
But if you make him a hip hop artist, it hurts the ghetto because guess why the motherfucking suits are not stupid. Business is simple. If I can get somebody that looks like me to take over where something is successful and this is the mass population, they're going to sell more naturally, that's simple marketing. This that could be me. Eminem is an outstanding MC, I know right now. That's
the thing. Hate on Eminem and whatever reason, these niggas got this thing going on where they hate on Eminem. Look and real, what are you talking about with that?
I'm not an Eminem fan? Like, well, I'm music a bundantly talented I mean, like for.
Sure, like I like what I genuinely think it started follow I started being I think it started with Xeno on them. When Zeno on Them started that b for M. You start seeing all these other narratives and now these narratives have legs and they've grown to be eight feet tall.
What are they like?
I'm like narrative is that he's not this or I don't relate to his life, or he's not tight. The main one is he's not good. That shit is crazy, is ridiculous. And this is coming from a rapper because the rappers rapper bro, songwriter, songwriter, songwriter, songwriter, rappers rapper bro that nigga is nice, bro that nigga is nice on every level. He's a street urban kid, grew up in the same type of poverty. That's the idea, right boom,
That's all it ever been. But the thing now is to hate on cuz that's the tream because to hate on this dude. So now you know what I mean, I get it. And you look at Eminem for even as fantastic as he is, you know what I mean. I do think there's other rappers that's great, Like jay Z is probably as great as Eminem. Buster Rhymes is probably his greatest Eminem, Lil Wayne is probably his greatest
Eminem Snoop daughter, you know what I mean. All these niggas are as great as Eminem in their own respective rights. They do all the same things and they're just as great. But it's the reason why this motherfucker got two diamond albums.
Yeah, I mean, it's a short list of people. That's the reason what he does.
It's a reason why Little Wayne don't got one diamond album. It's the reason why Snoop Dog don't have one diamond album. It's the reason why Eminem has two diamond albums. This is not a shot of Eminem. Eminem is a white man that's unbelievably talented in this culture thing we called hip hop, how we expressed all these problems. He is fantastic, But goddamn it, you can't tell me white folk don't see cuz and think like that could be me. It's the reason he died that hair blonde. This ain't buy
no motherfucking mistake. This is not a shot to him. I'm not in that pool of guys talking shit about mm is desert. He is fantastic. Stand is one of the greatest stories in the history of hip hop. Top five. It's a cultural phenomena. You word we reference to niggas like that to this day. This nigga is an outstanding songwriter in MC. He's fucking fantastic. But goddamn, this nigga
got two diamond albums. Man, So these people know, if they can get hip hop in the hands of people that look like the mass of the population, it's going to be easier to sell. So if I am not saying Drake is not hip hop because he doesn't carry the burden of culture, then you get Jack Harlowe. Yeah, and guess what Jack is, dope. Jack happened to be one of those kids who grew up liking niggas, fucking
with the fucking with fucking with niggas. Jack is one of those kids who grew up that happened to be a decent motherfucking white man out of Kentucky that fuck with niggas. But the next one not, the next one not, and next thing you look up is rock and roll. It won't be a fucking dollar for black fucking hip hop.
That's my point. Now, I'm not on the crusade to declare Drake out of hip hop, but I'm not gonna lie no different than most death because I'm not finna get on these stages and not give my thoughts or my studies. I'm not with that, I'm not down for that. I'm gonna say it because it don't matter. This nigga's a pop icon He's not gonna lose one dollar based off of him not being hip hop. He would always be a pop success. He took rap went pop with it. Post Malone took rap hip hop and went pop with it.
They took this shit and walked another doors. Look at Machine Gun Kelly. Machine Gun Kelly from Cleveland was trying to convince us he was the most damn nigga in the world. Look at this shit now.
I think I saw him on TV at the gym a couple of days ago on a rerun of Ellen.
Is that correct?
He get to be white again. Good for him, feel me, my boy get to be white? My boy, Like I remember seeing Machine Gun Kelly in this East Side till Our Dog. I was like, man, this nigga hard. And then I was like, well and it was like all the niggas behind you. I was like, man, this shit hard. But then I thought of it. I was like, I don't know, man, let me let this shit now. Look at this nigga. This nigga don't look like he knew a nigga now. Again, that's not that I'm not.
I feel a little bit of that same similar vibe, kind of with the Vanilla Ice when I see him now, I think he's like some dude from Norco or.
Something like that when he turned in to a white man.
Yeah, and it didn't seem like it came up that way, at least from his little bios.
So my point is, if you don't declare Drake in the pop category, what you do is you guaranteed, you're gallteed. You're guaranteed Bro to move dollars away from black hip hop. You guarantee to move black dollars out of hip hop. That's why it's important we keep the fucking point again. This is not a charade against Drake Bro. Like niggas love Drake Bro. Drake is like Lebron James. You can't dislike or like Lebron James. You just dislike fans, Like
nobody dislikes Lebron James. Bro, you just dislike Lebron fans. His fans think he died on the Cross because got hung up on the cross and died for their sins. Lebron James don't really ever say something that's too far for you to like him or dislike him. Lebron James is like Hick Hima Bro. He don't have flavor he's always reading the first page of the book. You can't even judge if he read the fucking book.
True small things politically to where you could be like, yep, you know what, that was the right thing to say.
That's Drake. They don't have enough flavor for you to tell if you like Howard taste or not. You just respect the fact that everybody sells this food product, and this food product, you know it has is digestible. That's it. Drake Got Jams NonStop is my favorite Drake song. It's against the song and I enjoy it. I enjoy it like I enjoy Backstreets back everybody that's a hard fump song. Bomb boom bomb Drake is like that, isn't there who spinning the block? Or you're gonna get a hit put
out on a nigga? No, And that's fine. I don't gotta believe you. But I also understand when somebody outside of the culture is using the conversation to make a really good song, sure, sure to make a really great song. And that's what he does. He will take the hottest ship in urban culture, whatever is happened the street or the culture, hottest ship and be like, I'm a fuck with that. He went to Atlanta and he heard Vasace. He was like, Basachi Vasachi, Vassachi, Pasachi, Vasachi, Vasaci Fasachi.
Yeah, I mean he's he's he's like a aggregator of.
What was the name of that old website that they used to always have, like urban gos like Bossip or something like that or one of them.
Yeah, he heard that in a Landa. He was like that right there, them little niggas got them one. I'm gonna jump on that. He heard Draco. Draco was like a phenomenon out of Los Angeles, a cultural phenomenon. He was like, Lena, get on that Draco stuff down there. It's no crime. I think that's dope. I love you trying to empower the culture. Still we at the very end of this motherfucker, I be still motherfucker. But I Lee didn't know, like I think it's an Instagram. I'm like, nah,
I lead, like you got it. I would have to send you the link from you know, YouTube from stream yard from stream yard. But still, this was a revolutionary conversation that I just had with.
Pete bout Drake.
What's not about Drake?
Bro?
Like break is awesome? Bro, like he's a great guy. Like there's nothing for real, Bro, I'm gonna tell him unbelievable. Forty is even more phenomenal. The producer forty that nigga is. Noah is incredible. Them niggas is incredible. Them niggas are like Max fucking martin Is. I don't make Max more than a fucking funk producer. I don't give a fuck how much Max Morton take funk and make these fucking Backstreet songs in six songs, a Brittish Spears song, whatever,
fucking songs. That don't mean he fucking Rit James. That's it. That's all I'm saying. He still ain't Rick James.
Well, we talked about it earlier, right. Hip hop is one of those genres that has a very easy barrier to entry. You don't instruments, you don't have to, you don't, you don't. You don't necessarily even have to be a skilled songwriter because they can give you the beat with the hook on there.
All right, Yes, And that's the problem with the ship that we create, poor people create. It has the least barriers of entry. Tacos now, the even nigga putting shrimp in it. Niggas act like that came oxtails in the taco.
Broacos are a little oxy mouronic.
Drake exactly. That's what I'm saying, Pete. It's a fucking nice oxy mouronic. How the fuck this is a taco is because you didn't have a lot of money and you took the last of the meats with the facts in it the ship and you put it. You wanted to feed your kids. You didn't have enough shit, so you took some flour. You made this tort ten, and you got the worst of the meats, and you seizon up a little bit. You put it in there, and you you made that white because you knew that little
taco was gonna feed your fucking family. You knew that was gonna make everybody huh.
You see the same thing with podcasts. You know everybody has a podcast.
I don't even I'm just saying tacos. Man. Now, these niggas is putting expensive meats in the fucking tacos. You fucking a taco up, bro, I don't want no motherfucking flaming your taco. I don't even fucking go together.
Why taco out of guy's mouth?
Why would you take a fucking quality piece of steak and cover it up with cheap flouring tortilla, or why the fuck would you do that?
I don't know if there's nothing wrong with making Actually that sounds pretty interesting to the.
Past, and I hate you niggas. That's what happened to rot Yo. You know what, the white people playing the sound, they're pretty interesting. Let Jerry Lee Lewis play man. Just let him no, stop putting flaming on in the fucking tacos. Stop putting ice telling the fucking tacos man.
Well, gee, I know I got on late. My apologies, long story. I'll tell you about it when we get off, but I'm gonna tell you what's going on with hip hop. Since hip hop has the easiest barrier to entry, you have a lot of people who aren't really invested in the into the culture that may want to be a singer.
They want everybody or to come in to do something else. They just you post Malone came up in this motherfucker like he was Alan Iverson. I'm white Iverson, bitch, you not nothing, You're.
A white He probably wanted to be a country Western singer but didn't have the best vocals, and they wasn't.
Going from the autotune and the Shiites. What you walk in the door through hiproblem because him, because poor people. We just want to fuck with niggas and you might got some money. We want to change our life, so we're gonna let you in our door. I can't be mad at us, bro we poor. I can't be mad at the culture. We poor man. We just want to live a good life. And we think money is the problem. It ain't hit us shit that drugs is our problem. My call is our problem. Fucking bitch is not being
with our kids. All problemly ain't hit us all the problems. That's the real problems white people created for us. We think the one problem in the community is money. Well, if I get some money, it's gonna fix everything. And it don't fix shit. So you let him fucking post malone up in this motherfucker and cousins wearing an Alan and Iverson jersey they got this Allen Iverson fucking jersey On,
got this fucking Allen Iverson jersey on. And you're like, he's the white Iverson and he's doing donuts and a fucking phantom. Yeah, niggas is gonna fuck with it. He said, our favorite fucking guy got the fucking NBA and he got a fucking uh of Rose Royce doing donuts. Yes, we're fucking with it. And then he gets in the motherfucking door that we open for his whole ass, and then he's like, man, fuck y'all niggas, I'm not one of y'all. Bitch you just saying you was Iverson. Iverson
is one of us. They all use hip hop to get in the fucking door and then they leave it for shit. And I'm tired of niggas acting like this, saying what's happening, because this is what.
Happens, and it's been happening for a while.
And I respect all the letting him in. I respect all the brothers who letting him in because they want to change their lives. Shout out to my nigga drama. Shout out to all the niggas who want to change theiry life and came from these backgrounds and be like, you know what, I just want to win. I just want to make a living. But god damn it, we got the We can't act like we don't know what's going on. And You can't be mad at me, cousin, because I'm saying the truth. I'm not saying something you
don't know. And if you didn't know, cause you need to listen and get school and get this work because it's important. The same thing happened to Rock, Bro, the same fucking thing happened to Rock, and you look up and now you can't get a black dollar into rock. And you know, niggas ain't finna do nothing, ain't gonna make him no money because they gotta change their life. They gotta change their fucking life, Bro, they gotta change their life. This is no shade to Drake, and I'm
tired of niggas make it life. What I'm saying makes Drake not talented or makes Drake not though, and I don't gonna fucking Drake the mad glasses. Hey, nigga, I'm not hating on you, cuz I don't get a fuck not hating on you. Nigga. I'm happy for you. I'm glad you want, I'm glad you at the cool table. I'm glad you made it. But don't motherfucking forget it's a bunch of other ghetto niggas that you're not sign it. That's what this shit was made for, ghetto niggas to
make take away out. You're not signing ghetto niggas, you sign it. Fucking what's the little dude? The fucking tools namt Maconaan, you're not signing ghetto niggas.
Well. Macona might be good.
No, he not. I'm not mad at that dog. It's not his responsibility. But you know what, it's our responsibility. And that's the thing about being black. Being black is not about how people treat you, because at that point everybody will feel black. Latino people will feel black, everybody will feel black if it's based off how white people treat you. Being black is how we treat each other. Being street urban especially is about us taking care of each other. That's what hip hop still is.
The man the man is response before it all.
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