Conversations About War and Women

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Just the obvious nature of you know, the tail.

Mm hmm.

What Oh you're saying, what happened the story that that?

Yeah, yeah, there's no real way to work around it, you know what I mean.

So we did a live stream, Tony, and the live stream what we're recording now right, this is the audio so he can see you, you can you know, so you can see you, so you know your finish.

We're gonna get a monitor. S has to look at mind.

I'm gonna get a monitor for them. He can see so you can see him over there.

You picked a good time to come before the monitor got put up.

So we did a live stream and it was based off a conversation I was having with one of my young homies, my my little brother a d He has a stream, a live stream called the Community with my homeboy pun and we were having a conversation about what was going on with Dirt. Dirk got arrested for murder for hire. Dirk was a rapper in Chicago, you know exactly, and he was saying that the beef Dirk and young Boy.

Their cruise started over a girl.

They were sleeping with the same girls, and you know, some happened somewhere along the line. They got loos and people start talking crazy and everybody's cruise. People around the cruise start talking crazy. So now it's King Von who was part of Dirk's cruise. Was Quan Toronto was a part of Young with They were all cool at first, and they start are talking crazy to each other, you know what I'm saying.

And they go to Atlanta and the Chicago brothers go to Atlanta, ron and they get into a confrontation with Rondos his life. Yes, so.

Quando Rondo you know, year a year or two later, comes to California to do some business and his transportation that he's riding in through to do the business within the city. They near Century City. The whole truck get shot. Were fully automatic weapons, okay. And that's the charge that Dirk is, you know, being in dice that he organized that he economically financed that that happened. Okay, So they got supposed to be allegedly is the shooters and have

And I believe in the universe where.

If people disrespect you purposely, they will keep doing it right, So the harmonious thing to do is to erase you off the planet. Okay, not the vengeful thing, because vengeance would be that I'm doing it because you did this. The harmonious thing is, in my mind, is you will keep disrespecting me because you should have respect for me. I haven't did anything to you for you to disrespect

Was more.

You started to pursue it differently, like there is a level of street justice that should happen, but street justice again is still as harmonious as anything else. It's like when you go to a real courthouse and instead of you like R.

Kelly or Puff right.

Where instead of them being held accountable, like Puff should be held accountable for combing his old lady here in the hotel lobby and da da da, and that should be like if they have a federal assault charge or the solicitation of prostitution, those are all fair charges, you know, possession of drugs, possession of guns, those are fair charges based off of evidence versus them railroading him with a rico where it's a racketeering charge for organization and there's

Same for R.

Kelly, where instead of him just being charged for child pornography because if you sleep with a girl under the age of sixteen on a camera, you know, it don't matter, she can't consent. It's child for not even federally, which carries seven years and other stuff which R Kelly should be in prison eight to twelve years fee me. But because you allow white folks to carry out vengeance against a nasty thing that they have against brothers in this

So instead of R.

Kelly getting the eight to twelve years that he deserves based off the crime, he gets more time than Sammy the boy Girvano has for murdering you know, nineteen people.

He almost has.

Forty years instead of R Kelly, you know, getting eight to fifteen years for you know, having a consistent history of soliciting prostitution and.

You know, using drugs or possessing.

Drugs or having guns with serial numbers scratched off, which carries ten years federally or any that stuff, so that eight to fifteen years that he should be facing, he's facing life. That's to me, white vengeance or systemic vengeance, you know, like we still can get these niggas.

When we can.

Yeah.

And he was just saying to me and Pete like, Okay, well that sucker if you do that over your girl, because a girl gonna be a whole and you shouldn't be mad at no man. I'm like, well, I wouldn't be upset at the man for what old lady is. I'd be upset at the man for disrespecting me knowing that this is my lady. And he was saying like, oh, well, you know you don't you disrespect that given his earn. I'm like, that's street, that's not real. Like you should

Don't care about her?

Yeah, right, and this is your friend and he has positive intentions for this woman, why does it bother? And what I was telling Pete and I was telling still on the live stream, the truth is you love her, And he was like, well no, because I'm not sleeping with the once we break up. I'm like, sleeping with somebody is not with love is about that's self gratifying.

Like you can make that type of act about somebody else, but for the most part, it's self gratifying. When you have to do things for people and you get nothing, it's true love. And I'm like, the reality is you love her still and it's like, oh, well, why would I love her, you know, just because we had a kid.

I'm like yes, And me and Pete were just talking to him, you know, and Obviously, the audience that's listening to the stream immediately went to a space like where they must stand by this versus us saying if you don't care trying to get him to say you love your kid's mother, which could make you think twice about just getting somebody pregnant or at.

Least want I mean, if not love, at least can see that you want her on some degree.

I think you love them. I think I don't care what nobody say. There's no way possible somebody can give you extended lineage on the planet Earth and you don't love them for it.

M it's just don't. I don't believe, and nobody who says they don't. You could be angry as hell and you love them.

Because you share a whole bloodline with that person. I've had many conversations with people about this. You know, I mean that when you get a woman pregnant, you know what I mean. She is now a part of your family.

Now.

Where you classify her is based off of your understanding of what's happening here.

But a lot of.

People, you know, the reason girls have told me that they dated me in a past.

Multiple girls said, well, you don't have no kids. I wouldn't date nobody with kids, mind you, all of them have kids. But that's also they.

Know the dynamic between men and women, not just because they may have been in relationship with somebody at kids and each YID you know your dynamic with your kids father, and you don't want nobody to feel that way how you feel because you ain't gonna make because they would use theyself as the automatic, you know, reference point. Like if it was like, well, I hate my baby daddy, so I ain't really worry because you can hate your baby dad too, but you gonna reference it off the

You don't want to marry them, but you don't want nobody that.

You know to marry them out of some sense of which I don't quite know what it is.

Unless you said you love her.

I would rather a friend tell me, hey, I love her, and it's like I can't be with her, but I love her. I wouldn't understand that. But if you say you don't care, shouldn't matter who decides to make an honest woman.

Out of.

Yeah, but it's the friend. It's a friend's intention to wife her or just to have relations with her to be the issue, because now it's like we're sharing chip, Sorry, we're sharing like I would never want somebody to be able to And I've had this happen like a friend of mine, No, no, not a friend of mine. I was really close with my son's father's girlfriend. And when she started to talk about him, the way in which she talked about him, it was like, you know, well,

Does it make y'all would share a play the food?

No, but men aren't food. Women aren't food.

I mean, you're you're not really with the person, you just slept with them.

But see that's the thing. That's why I brought up the thing that I told my son like that, how that's how everyone treats people like things like a oh you know what, like I hit that like oh, I smashed and that's it. But there's real like emotions that

So that's why you have to but even less examine that deeper. Why would that bother you just because she had the same penis you at if it's not your husband or your boyfriend or your man, it was just somebody you was just knocking down.

Because I personally have a code, and I really stick.

I know I heard this cold, but I'm asking you, why does the code exist?

This is what me and Pete was pressing ad about.

So you understood what the hell I was trying to ask at the very least, yes, thank you God.

Enough.

I kept answering it because people don't want to be honest about what happens during sex, true, so they also want to use it as a tool of nothingness, as an exercise until it's time for somebody else to use the same jim equipment that they know, which means we can have an even greater conversation about what's happening, which the same conversations lie in pregnancies, where people keep acting

Right. So again, it's so much, it's.

So many like nuances that we will skip over for the sake of silliness until it's time to have now the same full conversation. Let's flush out everything. So that's what I was saying to him, And but I digress though what I was saying about that situation with Dirk. If the things are true that they're saying, I couldn't judge him because if somebody did something to my friend, I would probably, you know, look for a harmonious way.

Too, especially if I think.

But but so there's a few things right, like because he wasn't there to really like, I won't let my friends get in trouble, like if I if I if I got a couple guys I got from the streets that came up, how I came up. I wouldn't go through whatever to keep them out of trouble. I wouldn't let them get in trouble. Like like if I had a situation with a rapper and then we were somewhere where that rapper is that, I'm not going to put them in a.

Situation to where they need to react that way.

I'll just with it on my own at another time. But the difference between I think street justice and revenge is revenges starts being emotional and it starts being about payback, like, Okay, somebody hurt me, so I need to hurt them, versus my mind state is like I need to make sure somebody don't keep hurting. So it's only going to be specific things that I'm going to respond to, you know what I mean, Like respond to or if I think I'm gonna say somebody life, Like if I teach you

Or yeah, but I mean we're we're fundamentally tall to put it in the hands of someone else. That's that's why people implement the police when something happens, instead of you trying to find your way to solve it, and

At with to be.

With what? There's a lot there, like with regard to personal or outsourcing of justice. Sure, I understand both. Obviously. I think the philosophical root behind seeking out a third party is to attempt to take the emotionality out of it. Most people aren't able to do it themselves. So you want to have the most neutral arbiter that you can Jewish you know, probably in ninety five percent of cases

Mm hmm.

It's like, I mean, as far as like the Dirk thing goes, I don't like so we said before. I mean, it depends on what your bigger picture your values are in that case.

M hmm.

But I'm confused. I thought that it was to a bench his friend, it was okay, and then they found out that it was related to another woman as well.

Or is that the thing to do with the woman, and he eventually thinks.

That the initial conflict is over. They say, I'm not sure if it's true, but they say, initially it was over at the two crews, the two guys, you know, the two separate crews were interacting with the same women, and somewhere along the line, you know it, who knows.

You know, maybe somebody's talking shit. I quite don't know.

But women are extremely responsible with their actions. It's the moral of the story as the moral.

Is that the moral of the story.

Yeah, that's the moral of pretty much any story, at least any story that involves women.

Us. I don't know.

Parallel universes, one with consequences, the other not so much.

Women definitely living at the other one not so much. Yeah, huh. You don't think women live in the consequence universe with no consequence. They don't want to.

Have any like like consequence for accountability for things of consequence when they do something wrong, You don't think. You don't think that's what chivalry rides on, the concept of women really having no consequence. No, I why else should somebody open the door for you? What's what's a logical reason for someone to open the door for a woman? Logical do her arms not work? Is the door heavy and she cannot lift it? Or is it too much

Maybe that's what it is. They live in the universal consequences. They have to trust that someone's gonna close the door. Seats, we'll just fuck it open it yourself.

Too. What's the logical thing? Why should men pursue women?

Well, okay, so then we also go into what is your spiritual back then background, like what are your spiritual beliefs? Because and you know, if you if you're a person who follows who's religious, then it's always been men as the head. And then women are you know, they're they're they're they're made, they're their helpmate. It's been told since how men was developed, So why would we reverse it

Know, should you just learn how to kill spot?

You should? I mean most women can, but you know, it's it's everything that how society. It's a shame that women don't, but.

We have.

There's roles that you grow up with and then some are not able to experience the roles of a mother and father and so you know, you develop, uh, you know, a point where you start to rely on self and you don't see where men because you've seen it over and over where women are able to sustain their self and there's not a vital need for them. But society in the world is made up where men are vital, they're important, they're necessary.

In real life.

They aren't in real life they are.

Well, you pretty much can do everything a man can do.

I mean that's a I mean, it's a defense thing. I mean, if that's your only option, if there's no one else that.

You just logical capability.

I mean, I believe that most women may want a partner. It's just hard to find someone, so you have to learn to rely on yourself.

What do you feel like, I mean, logically, I can't think of anything a woman can't do that a man could do. I think it goes into do they want.

To do it?

It's really do you need to Most men need to step into the role that they were given and be the men that they're supposed to be.

But that goes that's predicated on the assumption that they want a woman and that a woman brings anything to the table themselves other than sex. It's a two way street in that regard.

Yeah, and that's really what so a man. So even one hundred years ago, right, a man would choose a woman because a woman was the only way he could

The legal system, the legend, and streets. Streets Like culture creates laws, it creates morality.

And it really comes down to you don't need a woman to cook for you.

You want a woman to cook for you. You don't need a woman to clean up for you. You want a woman to clean up for you. You know what you need a woman to do.

To carry your lineage, to produce a child for you. That's where the value of women change through logics, because everybody could.

Do the same thing. So for remember, a woman, like a man's sperm, is the seed a woman just she has the egg to just fertilize it. But a man's seed goes into the dirt. And that's why they always used to say, a woman is giving you a child, she's you know, she's her eggs are you know, that's where your seeds are developing inside this egg. So I think logically, when you look at it that way, this.

Is minus you know, moral compass or you know, societal norms or even religious structure.

You know what I'm saying.

It all comes down to chivalry and everything that makes a woman value is because she can give you the ability to let your seed grow, to fertilize your seed. That's the true logical difference. There's nothing else logically different.

Nothing.

Women could always do the same thing. They can go to work twelve hours, they can pay their own bills, they can change the oil, they can get triple a change a tire.

They all of the things men can do for them, they can do for theirself. The only thing a woman can't do is impregnate herself. You don't need a man, you don't need to spine for that eventually, And that's the logics, right. The logics was the seed is the baby, the egg is the carrier, the carrier of a baby. So that used to create the value or women to men. This is why men would marry women fourteen years old right when they started, you know, administration, because they wanted

You know how.

Many You know, you have twenty kids.

You can get pregnant every day till she's forty four, she keep getting pregnant every you know what I mean, and people thought that was wealth. So that created the value for women before that.

You know.

Now religiously God saying a woman is your helpmate, So a man needing a help her to to uh, you know, to accomplish his goals. But if you really think about it logically, that's the logical stands. So that's what I'm saying to you. Even when you think about it as far as as far as there is no logical reason to be shiverrous, it's because this woman can allow your lineage to carry on. That's what gave her the pedestal.

Ladies, but this is just for real, right, it's like you could just take that five seconds.

You can meet him in the club. He could take that five seconds, and you don't even enjoy what happened. At ten months, your body is finna go through helen hot water. And then when the child is born, you have to feed the child like you're equipped with the ability to feed the child for at least a year or two.

Yes, that is.

Where the value and women were placed in that respected and admirable, admired role.

But if I'm asking.

My homeboy on the stream, he's saying, if the connotations I don't love my baby mother is because you don't value.

What she did for you. You don't vow. You can't say you value your kid without value on your baby mother, the mother your child. You don't have a kid without it. And don't forgive me to all the people who listen to no seilings. Look, fellers, I'm all for the fifty fifty concept as far as it's both your child, But let's be honest, it's just so much you gotta do in the first three years.

You don't need to be there. She really needs you for the first you know, fifteen seconds of it. Pretty much you could just disappear and she could do it all by herself.

You know what I mean.

For the next I don't know, two three years. When is the first time a baby needs more than a mom's breast milk? When is for sure?

With age.

Old men.

Baby the first year for sure, at.

Least he could get through twelve months. Just a child can get through twelve months with just a mother's breast milk.

Yeah, that is crazy. So ten months plus a year, so that's twenty two months for sure. You don't have to be there.

So that's where I think chivalry really is rational. But you would have to respect what a woman can do for your legacy. And I don't think most men.

Because there's not a value system for both. Like men don't value women, women don't value men. We don't look at what they you know, we pace monetary value on each sex, so on a man, so you don't see where you don't see on men. So some some do. And but I think it's also the fault of men too, Like some men have reduced theirself to only be necessary because of what they bring to women. You know, a woman can only know what you have if you you know, make evidence or break light or what you you know

It's like we're on the other end of the critical mass moment there for that. It's like talking about valuing, you know, bilateral value between men and women. In the last sixty years. As you know, the crescendo of women into the corporate income space has tracked perpendicularly with the

Yeah.

Yeah, I just think both sex have a bad habit of doing that. And I don't want to make it about like some kind of equal level, but I think this is a this is an issue in humans. I mean, because you're right, there are men who lead with their money. And I've been in a situation or not a situation, but my thought had been, you got to accept that women see you as providers.

And human beings. Men and women want to get the most for the least.

Yeah, that's just it exists every time.

If getting gobs of money is easier for you for your time investment than being there like super invested in a person interpersonally, and you can say you still haven't. I got a surplus a fifty grand based off of the fact that I make seven hundred K a year. Gives a shit, it's nothing. Here's fifty grand, you know, versus you know, I don't. I barely make fifty grand, but I have all the desire to sink all of my effort into, you know, the interpersonal communication with the women.

I mean, yes, yeah, I definitely agree with that, And I get with Tony is saying as far as like men who lead with their money, because women do want providers, they do want somebody to take care of them. But it's the equivalent of a woman leading with her body and wearing certain outfits. Sure right, that the goal could be like, you know, a man sees a woman and he's like, hey, I want to continue on my lineage

Are you saying all those social media tworking videos are not setting a marital expectation. I'm not hearing that.

Definitely, that definitely definitely not shattering.

Okay.

I think the fact that we're I mean, society still acts as if this is not a normal occurrence is unreal. It's like everyone since the beginning of time, there have been women who have tried to access men or the money that they've had, whatever they brought. It's not anything new, it's just that the upsetting part is that there are not people. Some people are not in the right tax bracket, are the right income to the issue. Bothers people that don't have the monetary access to get the woman that

Of our life.

We don't have to build with anybody. You know, I get to spend time with you, and if I say I don't like you, then regardless of what we shared or what we've done, I'm over it. And that's the horrible part about society.

Now.

Yes, it's tough.

I think I've made my own personal mistakes when it comes down to when it comes down to a lot of this stuff, because I do think that my values are like a seventy song, but I'm still trying to fit into twenty twenty four R and B.

And I think there is no room to do that.

Like it's crazy because as somebody that grew up in the streets, right like I don't act like I am a law body citizen.

I do not believe you can play in the middle of Like.

I feel so bad for black people who really feel like like I talk to my homeboys and they'll be like, oh, yeah, well into that street bullshit, But then they won't call the police when something happens to their family, Like.

That's no man's land.

And I never recommend, like I tell problem, like, you should never be in no man's land where you don't want to react like the streets, but then you don't want to be like a tax band citizen and use the proper authorities for these matters, you know what I mean. So that's how I feel morally that I get stuck at where it's like I have the morals from sixties and seventies, but I'm trying to adapt into a two thousand and twenty four space of existing. Yeah, and it's

Sure, older you get, and the older you get, the harder it gets like that kind of stuff problem like that exists more in the early twenties at the college, you know, experienced all that kind of stuff to the degree that it's reduced, you know, obviously over the life two generations for sure, but it does exist more there than in your mid thirties, when you're now more emotionally independent.

Know, quote unquote m hm, So is anything worth all of this stuff? Like how do you exist in this space? Where like so even in Dirk situation, now like how does he There were people channing saying, oh, you need to ride for King bonb Yeah right, and then now he actually you realize possibly.

You know, obviously we don't know if this evidence is true. You know, it is the government of America. They usually they have a bad habit of misframing black man a million times. But let's say, for example, this is true, how do we judge him and not support him in this situation for getting the vengeance you know, against somebody that harmed his friend or that was responsible for the harming of his friend. Like, that's my thing. So I won't say it's tragic or sad. I'll just be like, yeah, well,

You don't like, you don't develop it. It's natural, you know.

It's not something you can force, like you can show love, but you don't have to be loved, you know what I'm saying. So that's a little funny, but I gotta revisit it. But I'm saying it's like if you do come into a woman, I mean, and I don't mean coming to it like the nasty way, but like in the biblical sense, there is a connection of emotions that happen. You do see your child, and there are emotions that you didn't have to develop because you are appreciate her personality.

You know what I'm saying. It's like.

That's where they were mad at as far as and he really didn't feel like no, he was like, yeah, well, if somebody sleep with us, she just a whole because he felt.

Like there is nothing there.

Like even even when he was referencing the girls he was dating, he was like, yeah, well I'm not sleeping with them.

I don't have nothing to do with love. That's about you, you know what I mean. That's about you. I mean, you're not making no kids.

So I'm like, what you're talking about is when that girl needs some help you know later on, like you buy a car when your kid is grown and she don't need a ride no more.

That's love. You get nothing for it. That's because your appreciative is to love.

Is you care about her, because why you care about her is more than just she delivered your kid or she raised your kid. Is because there is a connection that happened that we are not grivn credence to, as you know, as a society, especially in America, now, we're not giving credence to the true connections of those intimate you know, those intimate moments where we come together and.

These feelings are created.

Like I as somebody asked me that, and I remember they was like, like I realized, if I could have met a woman tonight and we could have had sex, and the next morning she walks out of the streets and get hit by a car, it would affect me completely different than if I didn't know who that person was. It could have been I could have met her at the hotel lobby for thirty minutes, and you know what

That will be stuck on your mind because.

In a positive way or a negative way.

In a negative way, okay, yeah you will, Peters Christy, I just caught that you will feel something because that physical intimate connection creates a different type of bond, and people are not recognizing that connection when it comes to war women.

They just not they are. We couldn't get them to admit that they like.

What's wrong with saying you love the person who delivered your lineage onto the planet.

I don't care if y'all just met one day at a club and you got this lady pregnant. How could you not fix your mouth to say you love the person who carried and delivered your lineage your future lineage on a planet Earth? People? Is crazy?

Yeah, But then it goes again into what's a person's moral code? What's their value system? You know you have to look at you know, if a person for a person to take the life of someone and you dress it up as it was required because of your street code or something they said or something they did, then that goes into again, what is your value system on the life of others? Do you believe that it's your appointed job? To go into a neighborhood and take the

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