Conversations About The Entertainment Industry

a moron. I sort of god. So look, um, this morning, I was on YouTube, you know, obviously skimming through YouTube, um looking just you know, looking for content boxing ship you know the normal should I follow? And one person I follow is Lad? Right? Lad TV? I know Lad for a while. I know vlast probably since two thousand four. Yeah, he's created like a real dope um, like a styling of interview that's like super popular. But he's done it.

He did this. Um. Sean prais a really dope interviewer that Lad uses did an interview with A. J. Johnson and A J. Johnson is the female that plays Sherraine and House Party. You know that was Jody's mom and baby boy. She was his sister. Act two you know one of us. She's been around like she's dope, super flag. I didn't know she was sucking Evander Holyfield though. That was crazy and Evander Holyfield was just getting those pregnant left and right on her and Nigga's cold bloody jack.

But um, it was something she talked about specifically, and they were talking about what she got paid for House Party mm hmm. And I think the film paid roughly four thousand dollars a week, and I think they said they shot for four weeks somewhere around there, loose like I don't quite now. Quick question, just for context, they were multiple House Party movies made, right, but the very first this is the first one. Yes, the sisper joke. Reggie Huntland. Reggie Hunland was like a super genius. He

was like, he's super bright, super bright dude. Just for financial context, yeah, yeah, he wrote this film for He wrote it for I think he always wrote it for Kid in Play, if I understand correctly. But the theater, the film company tried to get him to have uh, Jeff and Wills, you know, Jeff and Prince Jeff and Wire to do it, but he ended up getting it done with Kid in Play would end up being the greatest thing, because that is like a super brilliant, beautiful

staying on my childhood. You know what I'm saying, Like that film Kidn't Play is just amazing. I mean, it's low key. I don't know if it's the debut of Martin, but it's the earliest time I saw Morton Lawrence the film. Um, TC Campbell, it was the earliest I saw her in the film. Um what he was able to do with four force was unbelievable. Um, John Pops, I'm saying, John Witherspoon, he was super fired. Robert Harris was amazing and ended

up being this cultural classic. So A. J. Johnson was talking about it and she was explaining that she got paid four thousand dollars for the film or Sean Priz said that what she was what she meant was, Um, she was paid roughly four thousand dollars a week, and after paying taxas agents and all kind of stuff. She was kind of young and new to the business or no corporation, she ended up walking away with around four

thousand dollars. Yeah, And I noticed, like you know, Sean kind of reacted like you know, he was just in disbelief. Are you a J. Johnson at this point a new actor? You know, They're on this low budget urban film that turned that turn because it was independent, wasn't it. Yeah yeah for a while, and then coming from yeah, somebody else got it, somebody else, somebody, somebody picked it up, somebody popular. I forgot which company, but it built that company.

But again, it's one of those things where this is like a low budget idea for new you know, up starts. Yeah. Um, And I just noticed how we look at business in Hollywood. Right, We're like, okay, what is the filmmaking? And I think House Party made, House Party made million bucks new line cinema, right, which became like this urban giant. Um. It's kind of something I've really been thinking about is making my own kind of new line cinema, which is crazy, but waiting

to get into that. So if you do a stand up comedy special to it, there you go, there you go together. So they made seven million, they have the budget at two point five million, right, I'm sure whatever. Right, So they were shooting on film, But I just thought that was funny that they felt that she got like robbed in the film, And I'm like, somebody's paying you four thousand dollars a week. Where is that a robbery?

And I think it's because in two thousand twenty two, when I was younger, you know, growing up in the nineties and the two thousand's the sucker thing. We used to call it a sucker move was to count another niggas pockets, to count somebody else's pockets, And I think that that's the cool thing in two thousand twenty two, is counting another nigga's pockets. So they're like, oh, this film made this versus picking up this brand new active paying the four thousand dollars a week. Which job in

eighty nine is you're gonna get that? Pay you four thousand dollar a week? You fucking exactly. I don't even think maybe a doctor made four thousand dollars a week in nine nine. That's I mean that's two k year. What the funk make four thousand dollars a year? I mean a week now, and that's chunk of money. Now, Yeah, that shi It was just bothering me where I was like, that's just a new thing, and Hollywood is being affected by because this sucker thing. That was a sucker move

when I grew up counting other niggas pockets. It's actually a cool thing. Now. Yeah, we can say Bernie Sanders and um, what do you call that? What was that? People who sat in the trees. Yeah, they were protesting in the trees. They were mad about definitely, No, you know exactly what it was. It was occupied occupy people, occupy Wall Street. You never heard of that, man, you're

really black. I'm like they they were occupying buildings in downtown l A. When you lived in downtown l A. Occupied the building, I'm not the buildings, the trees outside of the buildings. They were just sitting in the trees. Yeah, protesting, like they we we're not here. We were in there bitching about how they went to college and majored and tipshittery and didn't get a six figure job. Right straight out, Yeah, I wouldn't have gave a funk. No mean I didn't.

I would have just looked in the tree and be like, what stupid motherfuck up in the tree. But again, you know, America is the place of protests, so I would imagine wife to get the most inventive. It's just and the whole thing. I mean, I could pick industries where there are examples of this type of relationship when you're involved in the creation of i P, where the numbers get way funnier than that. I mean, like you know, you could have if if you because if you were to

isolate every single thing, then sure you could. You could pick one study that paid one doctor a couple hundred grand, and that i P he he was paid by a university or he's on a salary, and and and the i P he created out of that study wasn't the university wasn't able to sell fiser for five dred million dollars or whatever the hell, and he got a hundred grand. So it sounds like a tragedy, but you don't realize that there's to get the one that hits. There's a

ton that failed. And also you signed the contractor we're happier to pick and ship because you could have gone and opened your own damn lab and try to do it yourself that way and gotten the big paycheck. I mean, it's like it's saying with the NFL to NBA, you know you're your rookie contract, you're aiming for your second contract, and usually people make they play better than the contract that they get, you know, when they get their big contracts, no silings, no sailings, g l my boy Peter. So

you're saying it's an entertainment industry problem. For the most part, this is universal. You don't matter. You know. What's funny point because somebody was asking me my opinion on McDonald's and I was like, yeah, you know, they're from a raged minimum wage up and I was talking to one of my boys and he's like, yeah, if they're making all the burgers, they deserve to be paid the lions share. And I'm like, yeah, but that just sounds crazy, like they don't occur any of the costs or any of

the risk. I'm gonna tell you a story. So when I was coming up, before I was wrapping, right, I used to sell. So when I first was in high school, I was selling crack. Mhm um. I was selling crack. And it was a great opportunity, right, because it started with an opportunity, excuse me, exceptional, Right, It was a great opportunity because I was going to high school and

at this time my mom was in jail. So I'm standing with my dad and watch and my homie, my older homie, said, hey, man, if you sit in here for thirty minutes, you know what I'm saying, like thirty minutes to an hour, I'll pay you a hundred dollars. And I'm like a hundred dollars, like, yeah, you can do your homework. Just watch what's going on. So nothing unsavory happens, like cool. So I sit in there and I make a hundred dollars in an hour, finished my homework,

and I got a hundred dollars question. Were you you've been courted on at that point? Are you just a kid passing by? Kid passing by? But I knew everybody I wasn't courted on yet. So this is sixteen, fifteen sixteen. They re fifteen because I got caught it on a sixteen or right the day before sixteen. So yeah, it's fifteen. So I'm going to square every day with a hundred dollars. Now, I didn't have to chop up the rocks. I didn't

really understand what was going on. I just knew you take one for five, and if you had twenty dollars, you take one for five, two for ten, three for fifteen, five twenty. So I just had to make sure when they took him off the trade. They took their proper proportion. That's not the most important part of the story. The important part of the story is I finally moved to sharn PCP right cyclod So show him now standing on the corner. You know, you sell an ounce or two,

you could easily make five hundred bucks profit. Yeah, but you're standing outside, so you run the risk of going to jail real easy because the police is coming back and forth. They're watching at the corner. So when the opportunity came for me to work for my older homie, Worn, he was only gonna pay me five hundred dollars a week. Now, mind you, the spot is selling you know, three to five four ounces a day, I mean in sticks and

in depths and in pores and ounces. You probably was gonna sell another eight ounces, So you're going through roughly anywhere from a ten to a sixteen ounces every day. So I might be giving my big homie every bit of ounces under twelve. Uh, I don't know, maybe three thousand dollars a day. Right, He paid me five hundreds, so by the end of the week, I might be

giving me fifteen thousand. He gave me five hundred. Now whatever I made on top of the ounce right, sticking it out, dipping the sticks and cigarettes in it, which was an extra. You know, I was good, so thirty to sixty bucks, So that's why I really made my money, So that five hundred turned to two thousand bucks a week. But I remember people talking Ship, my hommies, that was my age, talking shit about it, like are you working for this man? This man ain't paying you, blah blah blah.

You know, he's not doing this, he's not doing that, he's playing you this that in the third But I'm thinking, like it's safe, Like I'm not going to jelling this mother. They're gonna have to rate it. And these door locks are amazing. So it's not just like that in corporate America. It's just like that on the streets. I mean, it had perks, you know what I'm saying that perks like he would take me to the market place and buy me new Dickies, New Chucks, Like, you know, every week

I had new Dickies, New Chucks, new t shirts. Because I'm making a great money. You know, he's still selling ship, so he probably the spot, probably bringing in every bit of a hundred too wants every month. You know it's it's good money, so but I never felt like he was cheating me. I actually made a song about it, and I explained to people like I passed me paying dudes,

so can't nobody talk ship to me now? But I'm starting to realize the average human being right that comes from the same background, feels like they should be entitled to more. Even though I didn't have to pay none of the rent, even though I didn't pay no bills, even I didn't have to promote or market the actual trap the spot, even though I never had to go

find the best shirm to sell out the spot. I didn't have to do anything but show up for twelve hours a day and dip sticks and pour and pour out of Then that saw all I had to do and not false a sleep. That's it, and I was gonna make money at that point. It's hard to catch

selling it. You couldn't get me on tape. So when not listen to people that you know talk about complaining about making you know, if something she because she didn't complain shout out to queen, but other people was complaining talking ship and I'm like, you don't know what goes into something successful. You don't understand how many many hours, millions of dollars, thousands of dollars, like the way you

know Pluck built that spot at that time. You know what I'm saying, weren't really made an enterprise that I was able to show up and just capitalize. All I had to do is be trustworthy, not try to cheat him, and stay away. And I was gonna make money. Yeah, And I just never saw as him taking advantage of me. I don't to this day. I don't see it like that,

even when we talk about being a rapper or entertainment business. Right, Like I listened to different artists like Meek mill is one of the latest ones, and Meek is like, you know, this label is beating me. You know they're they're I'm doing this and they're only paying me this and I just watch it happen. But if you really understand the breakdown, did they shoot him with a with a harpoon with

a contract attached to it? How did he get into that contract before before before we even get into it, like it's a bad contract that he signed, that's not Oh, he did sign the contract. Did he see it first or did he side next site I'm seeing. But before we get into that, it's not a bad contract he signed, right, it's not a bad contract he signed. It's like, Okay, So let's say Meek mill advance on an album is a million dollars, which is probably closer to million because

Meek makes great records, so they're gonna pay him. Let's say they're give him two million dollars, miss closer. That's fair, right, So you already starting a million or two million dollars just to start you make your record, trying to shoot the videos. You're not paying for your videos. They're paying for your videos. You're not paying for your press run. They paying for your press run. The reality is a record company is a bank, right, Film companies, all this

are banks that's loaning you money. They just happened to staff who they think the best people is to help you do what you're trying to do. So they don't just give you here's three million dollars and you go find whatever you need to find because they know you don't have the relationships. Like, the entertainment business as a whole is not really driven by money. It's really driven

by relationships. It's more of a barter system, like I remember being on cash money and then moving my single certified to within the top sixty on the Billboard two on the big chart, just because somebody was promising the radio station the next little Wayne record. First, it's not money like every you can have. I watch a lot of wealthy not wealthy, forgive me. I watch a lot of rich people lose their ass off, I think, and they just needed money and you could buy this. You

can't buy this. I mean people are doing business with people for years. I mean millions and millions of dollars. So it's a it's a rough out being independent what I'm saying. So it's crazy, but shout out to A. J. Johnson. She didn't really have any complaints. She understood it created relationships. Obviously,

it started her career. She made she made off of that movie, right, so she she actually talked about another situation where, um it was a part of the movie where play went to her house because they was trying to get kid out of jail and he said, Hey, if you come down, I'm gonna take you to Burger King. She's like, okay, and Burger King used that in the

Damn as a commercial you know what I'm saying. So it's just frustrating to watch people in the entertainment business act like they're being robbed, you know what I'm saying. It's so so like the nuances are plentiful, nigga, like oxygen molecules and the sea or something, because it's just a lot. It's a lot that's going on, so so easy for when you win. It looked like that me

and he used to have this expression. It's all good to somebody say yes, feel me when you're on fifteen million to that fifteen million hit and then you accountable, I'm saying. So, just watching all these people complaining about the entertainment business, it's crazy to me, like a real independent artist, man, it's fucking whack. Like right now, I just dropped I released Kanye should have never married that bit, right, m hm? Just getting love in the streaming apps, bro,

it's tough, right. One particular streaming app is worried about their relationship with Kanye, so they're worried that he may not like the song, so they can't they can't really support it, like I've been eating the homie at you too, Like fact like probably you know once every four days no response. Feel me, you want to lose your mind because you're not used to people this in you and fucking you're like, oh funk you like, I don't gotta.

It makes me want to pop up on the nigga like how you like and and again just to get support. You feel me when you earned it. So again the independent ship niggas are saying the independent trust me, they're not me. It's all the relationship based business, so you can't really wind. So watching Nigga's rhine, I would tell him play any ball, let's see what it looked like. Not the truth. It's people really really really don't understand a lot of stuff when it comes to how that

situation works in general. Just like, yeah, you don't know what anything is worth telling you know what it's worth, and you only know the general public only knows the case is that fit that because all the times that the person with the that the bank put the money into the failed operation or the failed venture, you don't know about it because it failed, so you don't even

see that ratio, you know. And it's like like the doctor we had on the podcast a while ago, he has a pretty innovative concept um that he wants to create and develop. He can't do that. He has to wait till he is done working at the research center that he works at because they would own the rights to it. So he has to go leave there passed by a huge like his his salary that he could fetch. It's like a half a million dollars a year easy as a research scientist. I mean, he's really very good.

He has to walk past all that money. You could go open up his own lab on his own dime to create that that innovation to be able to take it to market. Yeah, people don't appreciate what that means

and how easy the other money is. Because every other person in the industry that gets paid five fifty a year to be a children's hospital, l A or wherever the hell else doing this or that research, most of that they're just doing dumbass research that goes in the fucking drawer, goes onto a hard drive and nobody cares, you know, And that's not terribly just similar to the I mean, look, how many pilots get shot for Netflix or for NBC or whatever. They just never make it

onto the air, you know. Yeah, christ I went to Atlanta on my own dime to go do a role in a pilot that Malcolm got paid to put together. I just did it for fun and to work to kick it with whatever funk came with it came of it. I did that ship on my dime. I just paid to go do it. Yeah, people don't want to believe. But fame is a payoff. Now is it a preferable payoff? That's a whole another question. It depends on mentally, where you at in your life, in what space you funk with.

But fame is a payoff and it's something that you can always hustle. For me, it was like I wanted to own my ship, and I knew if I wanted to own it, then I was gonna have to market it because there ain't nobody else gonna market some ship you own. H For me, it costs too much money, It takes too much effort, so it just gets worse and worse. What was the story with Friday? We was talking about Friday a week ago. I talked about that with Malcolm for a long time, and there's a lot

of the same stuff. So Michael Blackson, he got paid. It was it was Which is the first role I've ever seen him in and it was the role to me that was a hit like that. You know, uh, I'm gonna be Jasnie, you know what I mean? That to me, that's his like stick like in holly Wood to this day. Yeah, you know what what I'm saying. So what what he said? He get paid. He got paid a thousand dollars for one day. He had to own

work for one day. It sounds about right, um, And people just have so much to say and it was hidden not killed, like yeah, you know you just a thousand dollars a day, but again if you counting the studios pockets, but you have no idea what it takes to make this ship work again, Like I said that, that's the sucker business in it what I'm saying. And and I've listened to Chris Tucker talk about you know, I've never heard him complain, but I've heard people complain

for him. Oh you know, he only got paid blah blah this much money to be in his film. And I'm like, man, that film changed his life. That's the thing. You don't get paid for the movie that you're in. You get it's like you do movie and you do the Bob Smith story on January one, two thousand and ten, and you get paid X dollars. That's not when you get paid for that movie. That's when you're getting paid

for your previous work. So if Bob Smith's story down January first, two thousand ten explodes, then the Samuel Adams story on January first, two thousand twelve, that's when you get that money from the movie. The John Smith story. You know what I'm saying. It's delayed one. So Friday didn't pay Chris Tucker a bunch of money, but Friday paid Chris Tucker every goddamn last dime that he got for Rush Hour. Fuck rush Hour. We turn around and did or whatever? What's the other movie? He turned around?

The did right behind me where he started any by myself? He was he was, uh, he had a car washing, he was a hustler. It's a good movie too. I don't remember. Yeah, but you're right in so he said. So Michael Blackston was funny that Michael Blacks's name is and Michael Blackston I don't of why the funk I thought cous's name was actually Michael Blackson versus a play on the name. Michael Jackson's name is Jafari. So okay,

it's the film industry's pay scale. I got paced eight hundred dollars a day when I did Next Friday, plus overtime, I made twelve hundred dollars for my one days of work. For my one day of work, I can't get jiggy with this ship. Thanks to Next Friday, I became the biggest African comic. And I love Michael Blackson making sure

like he got paid twelve hundred dollars for one fucking day. Yeah, and ice Que was put in a position because to defend like what he did for changing this man's life, giving him an opportunity to where it changed his life.

And I doubt on that day, if Michael Blackson didn't go to do that and wouldn't put his name on the market it pick a comedy club in America that he was gonna fetch twel hundred dollars for his stand up show at that time, that like that was more money than he was gonna get on a single day doing stand up communy at that time. I'd be very sure saying that that was a lot of years ago. Yeah, I just I don't again every day I'm surprised at

the sucker ship going on. Man, it's getting worse and worse, and niggas feel like it's cool to bring this sucker

ship to the public. And the public is so ignorant, I mean, and not ignorant in the way Black people use it, like as an insult, but like in the dictionary definition, yeah, uninformed or educated on what it what goes into successful content and ideas, And so they play off that ignorance to rally the average person up to be like, oh, well, you know, blah blah blah blah, you want to know, Like like I mentioned joking like about if you open up like like a new line

cinema type of label, that I'd give you a comedy special. One of the things that I the only thing I want to do in comedy is rent out of place, tell Malcolm's filthy, will come film this ship. I'll put the people in the building and I'll film my own special and I will own it. To quote Catt Williams, Lockstock and Barrel if you haven't seen Catt Williams kind of break down a little bit of industry stuff on that interview we did with that Wanda lady in Atlanta.

It's one of the greatest fifteen minutes of your life you have a chance to watch. He's I mean, but you know how I think about Cat, You know, I think that is absolutely a genius. Just he's fantastic, just fantastic. But but based on the principle that I just defined earlier, I would literally film the special and give it to Netflix for free and say, put it on put it on Netflix. You can have it for free because you understand what's the value in it? Yeah, market me whatever.

And then the next thing that I do, that's where I get my money for the first thing that I did. So we actually had we we actually have uh resident guests, visitor, next door, neighbor, manager, extraordinary. Big Steele Still came into I wanted to ask Still something right because Still actually played in the film. I still was in Malibu's Most Wanted. Yeah, so he actually knows a lot about pay scales and value in different things. Still, when you did so, this

particular scene still is in Malibu's Most Wanted. It's a rap battle between you know, Jamie whatever cause's name is he Uh yeah, Jamie Kennedy is at urban nightclub trying to earn his face in hip hop. So he's going to battle some of the resident mc so young dred and I'm a young dre from Kitchens in the scene, O g hommy high see feel Me platinum success. Uh, he's in the scene right and still is in the scene and fell he fails. Shout out to Felly fail.

Probably on the six He's in the scene and still is there and all still has to do is he's the guy that you know he's supposed to battle. Jamie Kennedy's character still walks up and it's like, yeah, I'm not even gonna battle this pump and hit him upside the head with the mic. Still, what were you paid for that? Man? You know that film? Man, I probably made it about dollars. Okay, what the fuck? Don't get that's not first off, I'm not talking about residents ship

or nothing. What was your actual paycheck for? How many days was it? What the way sil works? I was there for four days and I got paid, which was still raised at that time, like twelve dollars a day. Four days to do that one scene. Well, we was there. It was a lot of stuff that they didn't show in the movie. I was actually at a UM. There were different scenes that were eventually edited. I guess that eventually got edited out of the edited out of the film.

And it's a funny story about that because I was actually supposed to finish our close and to battle him. But you know, in films sometimes they don't understand our world. So they had me write this brand new rev. They wanted me to have it memorized, like in five minutes. So I was like, I'm not gonna remember that stuff. Everybody else had pre written stuff, right. They wanted me to write something real specificate folk same p and I was like, I don't remember this stuff. I couldn't remember

past the first like six bars. Wow, you got played for what equated to roughly at best two minutes of camera time. Yeah, you know what the thing is, That's what I said. Everything no business they entertainment compares to the movies. Nothing, not music, not nothing else on that sleep being as rewarding job successful. Okay, look, we're gonna let you get back to your mike, and when you get to the mic, we're gonna do it so we can make sure we get all this game so we

still come back RB. I'm saying we will get the better quality because you know, we got a lot of game when he comes to this ship. Yeah, it's just weird again, man, everybody, it's just pocket watching. That's the new thing, pocket watching. And I'm happy that you mentioned like Friday because the first Friday, and I don't know all the ins and outs, so I'm guessing based off of what you can see from afar, But that was Ice Cubes thing, Like he owned that. That was his

independent venture, I believe, right something. Yeah, it had to because it's him in DJ poof for sure. Yeah, So had Friday flopped, he wouldn't have made shit. He probably could have shopped that around and got paid some money, you know, a decent paycheck because he was really popular at the time and Warner Brothers could have put that out and owned it and whatever. Yeah, but he took a shot and it worked. There's plenty of movies on the independent side where you take a shot and it

doesn't work. Yeah. I think, like, like, I got not to you know, rag, And I gotta to continue to quote Malcolm because he had a conversation about it. He's a guy that's releasing music right now and TV show content totally different, you know, totally, But he was like he would have. He said, he understands that he has no beef with the ice cube over the way it went down or anything else, or anybody has a reason

to complain. He said, he personally thinks that it would have been for that type of thing, a nice addendum to the contract to give people some sort of limited residual, if not equity, then then rolling income for an independent if it does go well, to have a clause in there and and in the event that blows up, clause or something like that, it wasn't there, you know. Oh well,

but but again and shout out to Malcolm. So when he said Malcolm, he's referring to Malcolm May's Michael Lui, a young legend from Los Angeles, South Central, from the Jungles, a little bit from Watts. Really amazing actor, really amazing talent, and he shot a film, so he actually is aware of how it works. So not only has he done independent stuff, but he shot his own film, so he really knows. And I agree, like and pitched Zone films to studios yeah yeah, and got shut down yeah, and

then go through and stuff didn't. So but again it's like, um, talk about a guy who's fifty years old, a thirty year old body man. That motherfucker might be seventy. Yeah, that motherfucker man, he didn't live. It keeps business man. He keeps complaining about blood pressure and ship like that man. So um yeah, it's it's always that same complaint, And

I don't know. It's so unmasculin to me. It's so unmasculine to agree to something right, to agree and then once the success or whatever happens, to feel like you're entitled to more without making that a part of the agreement. Like okay, a woman, they whole life. It's built on accountability. I've had girls borrow money and feel like they shouldn't have to pay it back because we slept together, but literally saying can I borrow the money? Not like women.

They have a different understanding of the word borrow. Yeah, that's why there's not too many women directors in Hollywood or running banks. Fuck you up. As soon as they catch you my I phone, they're gonna whoop your ads. Women gonna come together and whoop your ass um yeah whatever, Yeah, but it blows me away, and it's so unmasculine, feel me. It's so like that's why I lose respect for rappers who do that. Imagine if if you said a Pete, well, you give me twenty bucks to drive me down to

the liquor store to buy a lottery ticket. For twenty bucks, I'll do that ship a hundred times a day. That's a great deal for me until it wins. Now I'm bitching and complaining, Oh my god, you're gonna win twenty minutes. All you did was give me twenty bucks to drive you down half a block, and twenty dollars every day. So I was laughing in your face with my twenty bucks. You gave me twenty bucks and drive you on my own a quarter I had had three hundred million dollar

lottery hit. You'll be like, hold up, I'm entitled two more. Yeah about these twenty dollars that you was charging me? And the cold port is you could make two deals, right. You could come to a person and say, hey, man, hey, Pete, drive me down to the gas station. Right. I can give you twenty dollars a day, right, or I can give you half of my lottery winnings when I win. Nine out of ten people would take the twenty dollars a day, and that one guy would be a moron

sort of god. And that's when people do feels like I say, it's funny because right, you don't really have a ton of the like I would imagine Michael Blackson and Next Friday or Cat Williams and Friday at the mix didn't have a ton of power to say, hey, I don't want to get paid, just give me a one point over ride. If he's blah blah blah successful, it's like, no, this is most of the time. These are dreams. You know, you wanted to be in a film and somebody gave you that opportunity. Yeah, you know

who calls shots like that? I think Tom Cruise did that in Mission Impossible. He didn't do it in that stupid high school football movie in Pennsylvania. He did in the early eighties. He did that ship with Mission Impossible. Afterty been in about a hundred movies. You don't just say, oh, I want five percent, like oh man, it get worse and worse. But I just don't have respect. But I am grateful for Michael Blackson for defending Ice Cube and making sure he was mindful of his position. I'm proud

of A J. Johnson. You know these people are legends and people I grew up watching be successful and I am so proud when they said, yeah, we made that deal, but that changed my life. And how stupid does it make the third party person? Look who's on Twitter bitching about how they got screwed and they're not even bitching about how they got screwed. That makes you look even dumber.

It's like, dude, the person you're advocating on behalf of things that it worked out pretty well for them, because the reality is, for a lot of those roles, you could be anybody like I usually say like, well, how come to see you? Like we were talking, how come to CEO is paying so much more than got flip burgers? Because if you took the CEO down, he could probably flip a burger it you took the person flicking the burger up to the CEOs off us and said, Okay,

here's the complexity of this operation. Go run it competitively, and you gotta make back an additional seven eight percent a year. They're gonna suck it up. Yeah. Again, It's one of those things, like Hollywood, you get blessed with. I've watched so many rappers complain about the deal funk. The fact they signed it right, funk the fact they

signed it. But like deals that are not bad. Like I was looking at a deal they were talking about with Summer Walker and I'm like, bro, like the money they had to spending Summer Walker to make it work. The producer you know was dating her, was part of her deal? That that she lost a bet that involved that weird bald haircutt thing she has that I saw on Instagram today. That wasn't part of the deal. That was just her idea. She's season, She's something else. Man,

She's not gonna get another deal doing like that. Yeah. Um, you know who produced her ship London on the track London is a fucking multi platinum stud when it comes to making music, right, and he does her whole record and just gives her this unbelievable opportunity. They she was cleaning houses. They gave her eighty thousand dollars. You have a follower. She had one of the most powerful producers in the music business. Mine is just Atlanta in the

whole music business. And when I think about it, it's just crazy to watch people act like her deal was bad. Her deal right with the company called Love Renaissance and Love Renaissance is a super fled company, super really great deal. They they do great things, right, But it says Walker signed an agreement with Love Renaissance lvr N. Walker signed the agreement on agreement, so they agreed it with Love

Renaissance as well as in the Sculp records. As reported by Rolling Stone, the November two thousand seventeen documents states that the CPR singer had to give up rights to her master recording and was given a standard royalty rate and they're saying it's lower than industry standard. She got fifteen percent for nothing like in her situation, She's gonna be fine because she got a pin so she writes some of this stuff right, so she's gonna make her

money on publish. She also received an advance of eighty five thousand, which was the down from the price of one fifteen in a previous draft. She had no sales history, she had no reason she wasn't the most successful artist. Nothing. Yeah, and it's need that people are talking shit about this. This laddy was cleaning houses, singing in the shower, clean shower, for sure. It's nothing else that's ship crazy. And now

she's a multie, she's a she's a platinum success. Feel me for short access to millions of dollars an opportunity and people talking shit about the deal like it's bad, and I'm like, that's why I am a tyrant, because man, it's crazy. I don't even want to get into it. One of these days, probably really soon, we're gonna break down Tupac's contract when he got out of jail that he wrote himself, right, and we'll make a whole pot

on it just talking about it. We'll find the right person to be a guest and really break down how great and how smart he was to put together that deal. Question and you have some familiarity with with cash money, obviously they seem to get batterer. It seems like three out of the four hot boys were just getting taken

to the cleaners. If you listen to the internet, you know, And it seemed I hear a lot about how like both Pete and Baby weren't really like the New Orleans guys weren't really paying their artists or whatever the fuck, which you know, I mean, that's that's what they say, not my being, but what is kind of the reality on that to some degree, so my situation with Burnman, he's overpaid me. Yeah, he's done right by me and

did the best he can. Um you know the situation about like did b G get completely hung out to I don't know if you had heard heard the story. Again, Burnman has to manage these situations. It is completely unique. Glasses Malone is a sober mathematic a mathematical, brilliant crip. Right, So I'm always paying attention. I'm always focused bird Man. Sometimes.

You know, again, something that looks like just a really talented artist could also become a different kind of you know problem, like some people like b G. You know what I'm saying. What's on Heroin? Yes, a turk got locked up for don't you get like some sort of shootout or something over a Heroin? How Birdman has his relationships with every artist, I think it just depends on the artist. So I don't know the depth of what's

going on. Like it's easy for me to sit on the sideline and say, yeah, well this person did it right or this person did it wrong. No, but I'll tell you one thing, every last one of those relationships are complex. None of them were easy I know for sure. Juvie's deal was Juvie had a really good job, and Juvie was something in the city of New Orleans, and bird Man wanted to mess with him, and he told bern Man, I'm not quite sure, but I think it

was a thousand dollars a week. He said, Man, you want to mess when you gotta give me a thousand dollars a week for me? And I could be down, and bird Man made it happen. So again we could look at years later and and talk about their relationship. But that was before Hunt came out, and that was before this is you know, this is Soldier House Party one. Yeah,

so again it's easy. You know when when when Juvie was getting that thousand dollars a week or whatever that number was to be, you know, to the t. I don't quite remember, but I think it was that. Yeah,

that's all good. Let's said. One of the craziest conversations I hear is about T d E. And I've heard all kinds of y'all Top this or this that bro I watched Top for years do his best figure out ways to get Jay Rock Kendrick Q is so is so many different opportunities, you know, getting Wayne features, helping the work, making the videos, getting them in different places, flying in New York. Whatever it took to make that successful, you know, making sure that eight even as Louisiana Chicken

feel me. Whatever it took, paying the electrical bill, marketing these guys forever, like for years, for years, we're talking about Kendrick. Ship doesn't truly hit until two thousand and ten, eleven. You know what I'm saying. Jay Rock was he he never gave up on Rock ever, you know. I mean, I'm sure they had had whatever issues that two men could have, But man, it took him all the way roughly so from two thousand when I first met him doing a thing, in two thousand five, when I first

started doing my thing. It took from two thousand five all the way till I'm gonna tell you hold on. It took from two thousand five all the way to two thousand and eighteen. But he stood by Jay Rock, and they finally got him his motherfucking platinum song King's Dead came out in two thousand eighteen. That's how long he worked and marketed Jay Rock and his brand and his product until two for thirteen years for him to get a two thousand eight eight All right, right, when

is a goal or platinum song? He worked with him for thirteen years. I remember schoolboy walking in the studio, right, I remember when he first came. And it's crazy that somebody could possibly ever say anything not flattering about top about you know, the guy that runs TV. Dude, how do you not how do you not tell that story as one of the greatest things a brother could do for for for young black people? Like, what other story

is there? Yeah? Sometimes we look at the death row scenario, right, and we oh, niggas got so much funked up ship to say about Pops, about Shill Night. They got a lot of ship to say before that, before that dog Doctor Dre, he was in a situation where he was mad with Easy and feeling like they were not paying him his fair share. She'll gets him out of the contract, then puts him on with a situation right with the guy who ends up changing Dr Dre's life, Jimmy IRV.

That doesn't happen without Shildon Night. Now, that's not to take away from Drake Talon. Dre was always going to be a success. Hell Dre was a success ten years before Sugar was in the business. He was making platting records for a long time. So that's not what Drey bearing success, But Drey and Jimmy creates billion dollar dr Dre having the vision to know what Snoop was supposed to look like and what it was supposed to be. Right now, we're watching Snoop come back full circle to

the most important brand of his career. He's bringing a project out on February thirteen called back on Death Row because he knows that is the version that the whole globe fell in love with. Is he doing that because he has the ability to use that name or some capacity, because sure it's some business and they don't have nothing to do with should somebody who owned the ship, I would imagine has gotten contact with him and somehow he's

involved whatever it is. But the point is to be able to circle back to your most powerful self and in the brand that you affiliated with, that you created and gave you know, value two as well as empowered you. He didn't say, hey, back on Blah blah blah. He said back on death Row, Yeah, that's feel me back on what he been with Pe. He didn't secle back and do a deal. Pp, we need to come back

with this new no limit Snoop Dog top dog. You know again, it's not saying he's not, but some of these people, man, And it's crazy because I did have a conversation with Sugar while ago, and he was just telling me, like, I'm like, people act like should robbed everybody. I'm like, dog, like, nobody's looking at Snoop is going to go to prison. Snoop needs mealians upon millions of dollars to beat this case. I ain't gonna even tell you the unsavory ship and bribes and ship that that

Pops told me happened. That should have told me happened for him to keep Snoop out. You know what I'm saying, Like them guys don't get no credit. What I'm saying all they take his ship, like all he robbed every It's funny because their favorite thing is like, oh, you know, nobody owned their cars? Who the funk was owning cars? And which corporation you lease all cars and corporations? Imagine you know what I'm saying. You want a company car, You want a company car. You don't want your car

stuck on the side of the road. Fuck it ain't was like, oh, you know, the car wasn't in my name? I think, did I have the key? Could I turn the ignition? Did I have to pay a monthly stiping on death pa at lease on it? Desperate bas We're looking through the window at seeing trying to get down sunset and just listening to them. People complain about that,

Oh the cars wasn't in their name. The houses you mean they got the station where red free they could just stat they didn't have to pay money that came to him, So they had so that cars without in their name, so they could they had least is that they were not accountable for a liable for us or whatever happens. Fine, they had houses they didn't have to pay for. They were nice, right, And what are we saying? Oh? Thank god? It sounds like they're living in living in

the women's world with no consequences. You just driving cars over the houses, burner cars down, no oil, burner house, dally to stove on, who give us a ship? Not my name? Oh it's not mine man? And it's crazy when you really get into pox deal. That's why I can't wait. We're gonna take some time. We're gonna getting pox deal. That's that's that's gonna be a special pie. We're gonna do. Man. His deal was so you could

tell he was so focused. His deal was incredible. I would love to see one of his film deals, you know what I'm saying, Like, like, where would he be at in film now? Yeah, somebody told me he'd be Will Smith, and I'm like, no, Will is moms more of a diverse personality. He's obviously you're on talking different

sides of the camera. But I think in reality, his music career would have exhausted itself and he would have transitioned into being a fifty cent type of person who just had a whole keeping ton of cinematic doing is just great. So yeah, culturally special, It's hard to be in the music in that type of a vein of genre relevant for a long, long, long long time. It's a lot easier to be relevant for a long long time on a on a silver screen. Good looking out

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