Conversations about Suge Knight w/ Reggie Wright Jr. Part 1

in a chair. But you know, I just said the last minute, you know, said I come on and you know, get some love and and I appreciate you like this. So is it more like under shame in my situation? Share ain't nothing to be ashigned up? Is it? Is it more of a core like your core kind of where you're sitting up. It's like a little tougher. You

gotta start my core strong? Is this for standard? I just can't standard because my core got weak from laying up, you know, eight eight and nine months, and so I getting my core and my stomach and everything in the middle back strong. That's right, that's right. On no sellings, gl my boy peev back in the spin is not

p what's up? Feel mean? We're in here. I got my big brother and manager still somebody dm me still right and they were asking about the conversation with Scottie Pippen and they was like, man, it's still gonna be on there again. I was like no. He was like good. He was like good. I was like, what's funny to me? Is I think it's because so we did a conversation right about selling soul and still sound like the devil red? Here's what you tripping forward? Okay, hold up? Hold up?

And we got to guess in the spot my O G. You know what I mean? Like Pops gave me a good look when I was a kid. We never even talked about it, fear me. So there's a lot of respect for his name with me, you feel me? And what he was able to do for the record with that pretty much changed the music industry. My boy Reggie right, I said, with it, O J, what up? What up blasting a loan man doing today? Motherfucking Still still he

was on you though he was on steale ass. He was like, man, I'm nick trying to get you to sell your soul. He didn't even say nothing about Peter. I think it's accepted when white people sell out, they expect you know what. The thing with these fans, though, man, these people listen to these podcasts if they take everything so literally, Man, everything with them is literal, like like

they don't know, they don't know the artist. Just motherfucker being sarcastic, you know what I mean, Just being sarcastic. But how do you feel that way? If somebody are from you a bunch of money that um to make a malt liquor, why not take it? Okay? So if somebody somebody wanted me to ask you this, they said, how much money would you want to sell your soul? Well, I wouldn't sell my soul. If it was the sex thing. If you could literally make a deal with the definiten

to sell your soul, I wouldn't do it. I can't sell my soul. I can't sell my eternity. That would be stupid, Peter. You ever, back in the day, there was there was people who are selling their souls on the Craigslist. Remember that that's the real thing. What would you take for yourself, Peter, I don't know. Depends on

depends on what I need that day. When you make a deal with the devil, bro, it's gonna be some trickery because I'd be the type of motherfucker with my luck I sell my soul and get hit by a car as soon as I walked outside of some ship. Like I'm saying, no, but what if I wanted to buy yourself? You couldn't buy my soul, Bro, I couldn't my soul. Red selling your soul and you tell letting NICs in your comments to eat a dick? Redd? Would you tell yourself do you believe in souls? Ridge work?

Because I'm I think like Norman, as soon as I felt my soul or something like that, it seems like everything bad to start happening. It was. It was an episode of The Simpsons right where Bart where meal House Bob Bar soul. Bart believe in souls, so meal House bought bar soul for five dollars and like Bart was having a dream where he died and him and Mealhouse died and they needed to roll their selves across St.

Peter's Gate and it was a two or boat. So it was supposed to be you and your soul right rowing? You know, over to the to heaven, and meal House was sitting in the back of the boat and his male house soul and Barsol was both rolling him and bart was just rolling in the circle. I don't know why I remember that right now. Good, but that's just thinking about No, No, I wouldn't you know what's funny? The conversation came out rich, how much would you sell

your manhood? You won't feel your manhood for nothing, but you'll sell your soul. I wouldn't sell my soul or my manhood. My manhood is a pretty priceless um. And then that episode of the Census. I needed to roll it just in case God let me in. I needed to roll to heaven. So I can't let go. I might be stuck in that ocean. That purgatory you know, and you what you Catholic of them? No, only Catholics

believe in purgatory. Purgatory got did away with bro I think, so that's what you got if you're Christian, that would say only people to believe in purgatory. Still to my knowledge of the Catholics, so you don't think Christian Catholics said the Sime share the sign religion to a degree, Oh no, they only believe a hundred forty four thousand going to heaven. They believe everybody. They don't believe you're

going to purgatory, heaven or hell. I think that years to believe in the hundt four thousand, how many more? How much of it? I think Jehovahs Witness believed that only a hundred four. I was raised Catholic. All the Catechism and all those classes and all that church school stuff, I never heard any of that. You never heard a number that might be, that that might be, But it wasn't like something that was talked to about as part

of the faith in the Catholic religion. It was never anything high school and that's all they talked about with purgatory. Was so mad that my parents and made the every day high school. There's there was something that they talked about having to do with like um so sort of timing with like the sacrament of whatever and then like the funeral and the ascension process. But there wasn't like a strand there wasn't a whole lot of emphasis being talked about like you can get stuck in purgatory and

definitely or whatever. Mm hmm, Okay, so when I heard it was purgatory hill, heaven and hill and so many amount will getting into heaven. But I could be wrong because that's not a religion I study. I just heard it in the tenth grade. And Captain Catholicism. Captain you know you know the stays Yeah you might, You might be right, Reggie. It was a catechism to um because you know Chris went to bost he didn't participate in then that stuff either, Um, Well, you know Catholicism started.

They're the center piece of Christianity. Who told you that? I mean, that's if you actually know the history of Peter was the first of the Catholic Church. So serious m. I didn't know that. Yeah, a non Christian, actually a non Christian actually created Christianity. Well he didn't, he didn't. I take that back. That's a lot. He orchestrated the meeting.

That's how we see the structure of Christianity. And then when he was about to die, like they say he was like ten minutes before he died, he had to priests come in and make him a Christian. I was like, that is some chicken ship ship to do. You're about to die, that hold come on God, like make God, ain't stupid, get your ass at the game, like no nigger shouldn't talk about this politics and religion. So we've

got to move on. Shut up to everybody. But we need what you believe as long as to make you a good person? How much about character and heart? Have a good character and try to have a good heart for sure, because believe me, wicked Christians and righteous atheists exactly don't know about that. That's like san like Donald Trump. There's good people on both sides. But look, so ch do you believe in that type of thing that people can sell a soul? I believe people have done it

and and and do it, but I don't believe. I don't. You know, I don't. I don't. I wouldn't condone it. I couldn't do it because Steve is not worth it to me. You know, I used to tell people all the time when I was a police officer, I didn't make as much money as I did when I was running death row in that my security company and all of that. But you know, I was a happier person in my opinion. I had more stuff, in my opinion,

and more and better credit. And from my point, of being exact if you're learned to adjust to to what you have. And when you started getting more like that, soon one more money, more problems. Yeah, he got that one right for motherfucker's so okay. Listen. So still accused a record exact out of Compton of selling his soul right, and I wouldn't sold us saying he was a devil worshiper. It's a big difference. That's the same thing, ad because

he loved top Dogs. That's all he ever talking about Top Dog and top from Watts he was talking about he was talking about easy Oh right, But I don't want to get into that. We're gonna hold that for another thing when no easy slander, no Compton legends landers. So what I'm asking, right is, you know a lot of people told me that coming into the business, that should solder soul. A lot of people told me that,

and I didn't really believe it. I believe anytime a black man is successful, brothers from where we come from, they have to figure out why they're not successful, so on other people they start putting bullshit beliefs. Do you think, at any need being around, should you funk with him more than everybody that he was like he sold his soul or was evil. I believe Sugar was the most generous person I've ever met in my life. That's my opinion. But when he turned on you, he turned on you

and a lot of these people. If people watched the recent interview has been done duel and all of them, Danny Boy and all of them. The people have never put out in an album on Death Row. But they're talking about two surgeries, they're talking about monthlies. They're talking about um all this money that was being spent on now and how they were living and looking and stuff, and never put out an album one Death Row. And all these people want a bad mouthing now, but he

was taking care of of a lot of people. People just got mad when he cuts you off. And where he messed up at and I meant he messed up by not having a royalty department. But in my opinion, and for what I know, and once everybody sit down and do the accounting and stuff, man, you will find out that this man overpaid all of his artists. That I believe that if you just look, you'd have been

in the game. Glasses. You know what an album? People don't tell what an album really generates you million dollar Artists like palk And and Snoop were if they were getting a dollar a record back there dollar they weren't recouping. So that's five million, tim million dollars. You don't learned on all types of expenses and stuff like that within

that period of time that the brothers done. Guy, I mean Snoop had a four and a half million dollar legal fee and a judgment money put an album model on death front and I'm glad you told me that. I'm glad you said at that because when I talked to him. One of the coolest things about shig Um when I first met him, how I met him was um I had met Ron and Don first. Right, Ron and Don worked with my engineer, Guido and um, so they talked to me about him and they always talked

spoke highly like he was a good dude. Um I had wrote. My first single was a song called Certified with a Con and like, you know, like I was super good at like straight gang member wise, I really didn't give a funk and I was out there with it. And it was a line in the song where I say, um, I'm laughing at these rap niggas running from Sugar, right.

So I remember like it was more of me of a staff to niggas that was acting like they were street niggas, but it was a nigga that was pumping that must fear in their heart, right, So I just presented myself in the way that like, it's no nigga gonna pump, no fear the nigga who is the most scariest nigga. That's how I went about rapping, you know,

I mean, let niggas know right off the rip. So a couple of my homies was like, yeah, man, should have heard that line some so forth so forth, And I'm like, yeah, that's cool, you know what I mean, Like I ain't tripping like Sugar solid like. And at that time, you know, I knew so many niggas from the mob, Like I used to go over there all the time. Mikey Rules my boys able wresting peace. A couple niggas is my guys term a couple of niggas, right,

So I really didn't have no issue. I went to the House of Blues and performed it, and he was there because he was on the second floor. Fear me standing up right, So I'm busting the ship. I'm going crazy. Um, I'm with Tip, I'm opening for Tip, and uh, I'm wrapping it. And I've seen so you know, you know how they make us where we're from, is they make us this way, like, oh, let me triple that up, let me really put it there. So niggas no. So

I'm laughing at these rap niggas running for sure. Shu stood up, put his arms out in the whole crowd. Look back at him, and I'm going, I'm just talking, Cray, I'm just wrapping my rap. So when I get off the stage, he comes to the back. We introduced each other, you know, obviously should nice. I sized him. I'm like, Nigga, we'll be cold squabble. Nigga is a fair one, you know.

But it wasn't that type of energy. It was like more I could tell he was proud that I could Nigga, that he could that he knew was something got clogged, got close enough to get into the business. So it was nothing. But this is two thousand seven. That's two thousand seven eight. Okay, later it is late. You've got a different ship. Let me be honest. Two thousand shigs two thousand seven. Ship was not two different ship nights.

I had money and power, the other one, yeah, a little bit of power, no money, but he had different crew running with him, had two boys. He had niggas that would would he had two boys somewhere and it doesn't buried you in rape you. Yeah, yeah, he had some boys. He had some boys seven. He was running with Denver Lanes, not saying that they weren't there for anything, but there wasn't as loyal to him because they're from a different neighborhood. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I knew that. I

knew that. I knew the niggas he was running away from Lanes then with some of my boys too. But long story short, it was never like the line, wasn't ever a disrespectful line about ship. So to me, like when he embraced me, he actually is the first legend from the coast to me to truly embrace me like man, you know, like his energy was like, man, welcome to the business. Don't let these niggas play you, because they're gonna try to play you. So we start building from

that point on. You know, we built a great relationship. And one of the things I talked to him about and asked him about was snoop? I was like, man, what's the whole thing with the money. He started explaining to me how much he spent in getting him out of prison and when keeping him from Yeah, yeah, from getting. That's why I said, from from getting, he'd have been in prison. I mean it was a simple case. So somebody legs, yeah, so exactly, so not no nigga, No, hope,

God don't do that. That's not know. He wouldn't. Long story short, I thought that was ill. He told me the story. I was like, get their hair braid in the prison. No, no, I don't even want to know. I'm not trying to find out. I wouldn't get my hair braiker. So I've been to killing nigga, talk about break my hair and braid my hair. Gonna kill you. But anyway, he told me the story, and I knew the number he was talking about is real because I

watched certain hommies that I knew fight cases. And I'm like, damn, so it's millions upon millions upon millions of dollars. He taught me some crazy ship like, I ain't trying to throw a ship out there, but you know, he spent some money. I knew he spent some real money because they had to come to hin four. They knew we had it, so they're gonna come to for it. You know. The turns that he had, he was four and the

home four. The people that got rested on Snowcake, the bodyguard, the bodyguard uh shon dog one of those for him. I don't know if it was a little ce style or its for him. Two of them eventually got their case dismissed. My point was these attorneys was David Chesse now David chess Off, that the guy that represented the football player in Vegas right now, he was also the guy that represented Dirk Uh, the guy you know, the the old man that just got got uh convicted for

melissitting No women are killing, no killing. This his friend um about you know, back in the day. I'm just trying to tell you how the powerful of attorney John Ray, powerful attorney from San Diego area, Johnny Cochran and David Kenned also the fourth attorneys. Jesus, he had an O J dream team exactly. This is who had it, you know, who he had on this case to represent him. And my point to all of that has been this is mom. The mount of money that they put out, four attorneys

touring the amount, and that's why Snoop don't really complain. Yeah, I did this separation and agreement that sold, and people don't like when I use the word soul so Ill said. I signed as as an artist, I get it, signed his rights to show him. Well, actually it was Priority Records, to be honest, everybody, because because Priority, because because Mac was gonna get him at first. I was trying to make a move back and they ain't. Never we wasn't gonna sell me the mack we turned down with Russell

Simmons came up there with more money. Not Russell Simmons, Lee or Coin came up there with more money, rolled up to the prison with me about three or four times and try to get it. He offered eight million dollars because he was in business with Columbia. Said they told him thirteen million. But he came back and said, hey, all I can get you is because Columbia don't want

to give up that much is eight million dollars. He told him, No, he has signed the rights to Priority for I'm percent over right in four and a half million dollars and Gay Snoop Gay Snoop a million dollars to sign the contract to leave death Row, saying that that he don't owe anything. No, he had no more claims than anything from death Row on any other money that was generated from there was done three one, and

anyone was supposed to pay them, you know. And I'm talking about that once we took the cat off from Interscope and took it over to death Row. I mean took it over to the Interscope was done out in two thousand one. Yeah, so Snoop is not old any money by ship night. But I don't think Snoop even lies as well. I don't think he actually says that, I don't say anything. Who's here that's gonna do? He

don't change and there they don't wear anything. I didn't try to expose him on telling the lie of about and now I'll try to help with it, telling um about the story with Pop snoopton told so many different versions on so many different things. Well, I don't know what his agenda is, but he's trying to do a movie, and he want to tell the movie his way. Suppose you got you gotta tell your own narrative, right, you gotta make your own story. You got lied about it though, hell,

everybody is gonna lie by it ain't. Nobody's gonna tell the truth because you gotta get enough story without lying. No, no, not wouldn't be one of my favorite artists. He got enough enough. He's the greatest hip hop artist ever, no question. But everybody wants to make their narrative better than it is correct. But to me, like to be honest narrator. When I talked to me like he ain't never seen

a check? How how would matter? How could mac ten even think about getting a song saying, there, bro man, we would have loved with that to happen. We would have pulled that ship off the shells low as it happened because number one, we was with priorities still and number two, how he gonna do that? We weren't gonna sign snoop rights to mac ten? So what made up so so they should want to give it to p How do anybody then? He didn't care, he was going

in to give it to Brian at priority. But question, could I think his total deal was only like seven million dollars and we know he was out there and spending all that money on t BOS. So you know he didn't have cold up man, my boys spending no money on t BOS. Don't my boy all that? Y'all know that was out there and hanging there. See, I know the real people don't like to hear ready talking

ready though about everybody wife Kenya. I mean I know everybody business because I was in this business back then, So they can't. That's why they hit for me to talk. That's why it's easier to call me the police. That's the police, but the police is running. Yet he was around doing stuff back there from nineties six to two thousand to two three on the West coast. There wasn't nobody and the no better than me because everybody was coming because they're row and I was running this jiggles

in jail. Okay, so hold up, glad, pea pete. So this is all I'm trying to say. So everybody was coming to tell stuff. I didn't deal with either people with Drake stuff and all of them, yallo. In the two thousand I've then they had then everybody or you had to pin. You had you had the pin. You had the pin of all pens at that point exactly death row pen go ahead, Pete asking um, and we're talking about managing you back then in two thousand seven waving mack, waving mack. Yep, yeah, I'll tell you I

got no bids in two thousand seven. You know, go ahead, go ahead, Pete. You're talking about like nine five, right, that's with with Snoop getting resigned, right, no, no, no, no eight. Snoop went to Master. Yeah, p went to he went to their ninety after Doll Father, Yeah, okay, I thought that the lag time when he actually signed sign of the album got out. I thought it came out like ninety seven or something like that, So it was like that doll probably came out. That's doll Father. Yeah,

that was album came out that late. Yes, actually came out. It came out in the Yeah, it came out around the same time mcafelli came up, and I thought that they had released that, like they had the rights to it. Santa claud Oh yeah, yeah yeah, that which is that classic hip hop Christmas song, probably the greatest hip hop Christmas song, coming straight to the ghet. Every Christmas time, I still bump that song. So we're talking, yeah, we're

for still negotiating this. Uh yeah, in like ninety seven in the night when he was a sign up to well actually once again part Priority without I don't want to ask the wrong kind of question, but like looking at the career arcs of Snoop and Mac, what how's Mac making that kind of a play? Well, he had to deal. He had Brian kind of deal with Priority. Yeah, Brian already gave him a nice deal. I think he got like a seven million dollar album deal. He was

on all in on Snoop Walkers. The dude named Marvin Watkins was manager Mac ye over in or at Priority Records. Yeah, Brian turn of the year and they got him a deal. That's when he had C J. Mack. Yeah, comrades, he had eight, he had eight for a record automatic Yeah, the Priority at game of deal Yeah yeah, I don't know. I just I just looked at the him like, wow,

got Mac. But he got a nice back. Well no, because at that time, huh wouldn't brute no, no, But but he had Brian, Brian we my point, he could have been given up a million dollars. I can't say, but my point is, if why would he gave a million dollars if he couldn't even get get the man signed to him. Yeah, I'm saying we was not going to authorize the time periods that they were talking. We wasn't going to authorize mac ten to get that deal.

But what I don't want to do rest I don't want to talk about because no, no, no, not not mac mac macmc guy. That's notes. But I want to talk about Shug. What's the most generous thing you've ever seen him do? Well, the mothers think the mothers, they think, well, that's very generous. That's when he brought everybody mamas. This was just thinking. He did this for like two or three years in a row, where he brought in the Beverly Hills Hotel. Um, it was the most expensive one

in Beverly Hills at the time. I can't think of the name of it right now. But he took everybody and had their mama's brought to the hood from UM, from the neighborhood and limos and these was mainly and his whole thinking was, I mean, we're talking about at least two fifty mothers sitting at tables and getting gilts. We had Charlie Wilson escape Tupac Hammer. UM. You know, he did Charlie Wilson, and I know, not Charlie Wilson, the brothers, Yeah, because you know they loved the old women,

loved the mother. But his whole thinking was, this is Mother's Day. Most of the mothers don't have anything to do, and they're just gonna be sitting at home, man at the kids because the daddy's not there, or the daddy's in jail or something like that or in prison, and he just wanted to show them a good time on Mother's Day. He did that like two or three years. We always gave everybody giving our turkeys and Christmas and

toys around Christmas time. Always did that. We'll be at the mall, and whenever we go to the mall, everybody you know, hitting up buying the tennant shoes and stuff like that. See some little kids walking around, help them take off their shoes, but then't pair of shoes. I have been with you. What people don't call Like I said, if you get to him, that was the problem was getting to him. But when artists get got to him or whatever. They always had a problem or always needed something.

And now ain't talking about the big name martist because they had their monthly low past fifty coming in and I think park deal was seventy five dollars monthly. That's what they had, you know, towards the end when everything was rolling to but even prior to that, you know, when you need money and stuff like that, they always had it. Everybody always had a story and you got it whenever you got to him and told him your story.

It was always I was walking one day was when Dad's when he was in prison, and and and that's they give me the phone, let me talk to him. He told me, he said, she I need some money. She told me to cut jazz and check on hunting found out. I mean we're talking like prisons or stuff like that. Whenever artists asked for something, they always get it. People always say, well, it was the cars in the houses and this one's in their names. Who owned a penhouse?

Who owned cars? Back then? Did you want to god THEMN ninety seventh car? Seven car? You know in two thousand one, two thousand and two, everybody was doing Lisa's Lisa New. Then youre Lisa Car for three or four years because you wanted a new one, wanted brand new, I mean to keep with your name was a classic or you know, some motorcycles and stuff like that. So he didn't even own none of the cars that he had. He was releasing cars. Why would you Well that was

you know. But everybody now was saying, well, none of that. We find out nothing, but we can't. But we can't. But we can't get into the conversation where people are trying to make you know, him look bad, because it's ridiculous. He didn't do this, He didn't do that. Nothing. Nothing is in their name, you know, the didn't nobody now name uh the Tooco Lake House, the snoopand was in his name the house and Clarmont or Roby or whatever it is. He still got that house that's in his name.

That was his name. Personally, every time I talked to Dog, he ain't never had nothing bad to say about ship, And I think those will be the time. So I really judge people conversation and what they say to me personally, because they feel like it's somebody that I know, they're gonna tell me what they really think. I think everybody outside of me has this public image of what it's

only a couple of people. I think is as advertised where I see him and I feel like too Short is somebody that's on an off camera the same person you mean, iced T. I get the same vibe no matter who I'm in front of. Um Snoop is one of those people. To me, when I talked to him, I get this real, honest version of him. And for him not to smart out dog like sugar in front

of me told me everything I needed to know. You know what I'm saying, like funk all of the ship to the fans or you know, how you marketing yourself. The reality was he's always been like grateful to me.

I mean it's always been like you know when you go back to the earlier stories of changing his name, when you go back to the earlier stories of understanding how to dress them, like the thing that makes record labels great And this is from just studying and you know, outside looking in you ask somebody that's really great with records and somebody really great with vision. And to me, Shil death Row is the greatest hip hop label of all time because they had the greatest or they created,

They created the greatest renaissance and arts. To me, like when you've seen the cultural phenomenon that was death Row, it was the centerpiece of the most contagious black culture in the history of black culture. Like, there's nothing more global than the lifestyle we live in Los Angeles, You know what I mean? No matter where you go, you could talk to the most whitest white person, they're gonna

know about the culture that is cripping. They ain't gonna know everything, but they're gonna know crips where blue and bloods were red. So for them to be the centerpiece of that renaissance of that much truth, because it's all the truth, they didn't have to put nothing on it. The lifestyle was obvious. So for Shulged to understand visually and to have the vision to say, this is what I need to present, right, that was so important, Like you got Dre doing the record, but you have Sugar

with the vision. Should knew what it needed. Brilliant, unbelievable quick question. I think I remember it accurately. But there was there was like some civil settlement or litigation was between Dads and Sugar, and I thought it came out to damage it to million dollars to dad. Doesn't make sense. What happened there? Now, this is what happened. Should what happened is to be honest, old publishing. I gave Dad and brought all of his publishing and everything that was

on to him by death row. If you ever look up a company called Simon says Music Polishing, you know that it's a lot of deals. But that's after the fact. That's like in two thousand when I was paying all of the artists and buying them and buying there where they don't get any more money, where they just sold it over and turned it over to me. That's another story. But then there was a separation between Sugar and I Should, so he didn't know about a lot of the deals

that I was doing, or hand forgot about them. So people started going sewing and putting in claims and all of that. So Dad's heard about Kreop getting kicked getting released from his deal by folling for bankruptcy. So Dad's when to try to hidle the attorneys and do some Philadelphia or something like that and try to go to the same route with your should got the default judgments, he started just not going to court and stop dealing

with stuff. While that's what happened to the Game, that's what happened to Game in his case, he didn't go to court on that girl, and that girl wanted judgment of like some real millions too. Michael Harrio got the judgment for hundred seven million dollars. It wasn't that the judge bil he old or or or he was right. It was just because they got tired of shoged not disrespecting the courts. They were telling me me, you need to turn over just turn over that, and he just

like said it and didn't care. And so Jazz got a a default judgment against you. Just like hereo, Harry ain't chested a penny off of that. Dads ain't touch a penny either. But Dad has been receiving royalty checks from whatever they're stating everything paidal because I ain't throw that paperwork in their face. Shot. But as soon as I get back healthy, I had been okay. The reason I haven't did any of the paperwork because number one, it was a big old death row bankruptcy hearing that

went down. Guess who was the face of most of the stuff. I had a two million dollar house out and uh in Corona that they were trying to take. And you know here you are trying to say that we shill house and all of that, which I had to prove that wasn't your house. So I had to go and make a deal with with the bankruptcy attorneys. I had a building on Walshire that was in my name, you know, deathrol offices that I had paid three million dollars.

I got paperwork where I got chilled, you know, our refinances and my name and everything, and was able to give him three million dollars. But I didn't want to take that fight on because I knew I didn't do stuff right. Most of the deposits and all of that did come from death row, so I didn't ever uh make the claims that I should. But now that the bankruptcy is over, I'll be out of trouble about another

six day months. You're gonna be seeing Reggie right going and collecting a lot of money that's been old toy since about two thousand four two. Because I still have all the paperwork saying that all these people that did buy outs for me, they which I think they don't forgot about, but they ain't forgot about it. What do you think is that most under stuff like judgments and all of that came out, you know, was able to get but nobody's got paid anything because of the bankruptcy. Nobody.

What's the moment? I mean that was the dad's talking about his whole cop. Yeah, he was about some tiny little farmhouse in Mississippi. I'm like, that must be in some oil and mama house. MoMA out there with his mother. Now, he'd tell you he went out there to take care of her and all of that. Okay, Dad, What what's the most misunderstood thing about mom? Just want to stay? There's mom recently passed the way I believe? Yeah, I know, nobody mother love one dying to Yeah. Yeah, y'all made

too much history of even speak. That was times. Um, What what's the most misunderstood thing about Should? Like, You've been fucking with do since I was little kids, So what's the most misunderstood? That's easy that he just became a bullet once he got older, are are are started making money. Should was the same way he was when he didn't have no money, but was in high school and going like that. I always lied about how many

girls do you have? Now? This thing? Hack? I was with shild probably from until he went to prison, and then a bout the year or two after he got out of prison. And I've seen that they sleep alone one or two times. And that was in Rochester. It wasn't in Rochester. I keep saying Rochester. But we went to visit Casey and Joe Joe in North Carolina on like a Monday or Tuesday. And if y'all know anything about the Bible belts and ship opened on no Monday

on Tuesday's house? And what was in our Caroline? And we couldn't find no females nowhere. They didn't know what the strip clubs was for a Monday two They're like, hey, nothing open out here in the ninth early nineties in North Carolina. Go ahead, the question for you Ridge, what you're talking about? Girls? Um? What was going on with Mary J. Blass? She was up there, she was managing her at one point she was managing her. He had this attorney named Paul Marshall that in New York that

he had dealing with a lot of the paperwork. But he had Andre Horrell and everybody thinks Puffy, but Puffy was just really an A and R guy, our producer for them. But Andre Horrell with is turning how he started working for Puffy later on in life but the same people, they say, the same people. They say, be careful with how you deal with the people when you're coming up, because they be the same people you see coming down. So yeah, for sure, like Puff became Harrel

was dope too. I mean, Harrella is heavy d I mean just studying him, he was a cold person, but then he did end up working for Puff. It's crazy how these brothers, like, right, whether it's a brother like Shug, whether Puff, Horrel, these brothers come in and make these companies millions, like creatively millions of dollars, and then like get to a space to where even somebody like IRV got he has no value where Like how how doesn't he have a job, a multimillion dollar job with his

brain at a label. How is it somebody like Shig doesn't have a multimillion dollar Like they're hiring these motherfucker's who don't know nothing about marketing or records. They just straight bottom line guys. And that's you know when you start thinking about they might always tell still yeah where alone, remember they started they were the first three him Jay Princeton,

and they started talking about that black distributions. Yeah, the niggas got fair cases, immediate league and labeled snatched the Metium. All them niggas got FAED cases at the same fucking And it's funny because let me let me just share this. It was an interview right with a little rat boy from New York, um Snitch nine, right where he was. Um he was doing an interview before the Breakfast club. Right, this is before anybody knew about the police anything, like

nobody's post that new nothing. And he's talking and they asking me this nigga had been the most bravado motherfucker in every interview he gets up there and he like, what's your worst fees? Like oh man getting the federal indictment and bobs like he just started talking about it out of nowhere, right, and I'm listening to him, I'm like, you know, something up with this nigga, Like this nigga don't even seem like himself, like right, he cared for

what he says. I genuinely believe a lot of those high level guys at these labels, like let's say Lucien's son like Elliott, Right, why would the fans not reach out to these guys? So the fans could reach out to these guys and say, hey, we we got a case going against these guys artists in the way. Right, this is a valuable artist, or he's a white artist or whatever. Right, Okay, you need to move him out

of the way. If that call could happen right, which it had to, because he knew what was going on. They reached out to the little white man, and they reached out to him. What's so hard to believe that they can't reach back to the fans and create cases. J Prince, Suge Knight and Earth got it all, got a fucking federal case right around the same fucking time, and Sugar and Jay Prince, I mean Earth and J Prince beat there's yeah, who the funk beats? The fans

should be there. The only thing we got all the two case was a misdemeanor filling into filled taxas three

and so you three and against fifth res. We don't know niggas three and against the Fez and we know a group of niggas that went to the fans, and we don't know niggas three and no. So that lets you know that a lot of the energy that was coming their way was made to tain them, and none of them been able to get back in the building after after that, how could three of the best urban you know, more keetting minds and hip hop we saw it happened to Spreewell, right, that did happen to Spreewell

once they put their heads against you and black ball you. Sorry, Peter, I'm about to say the white boys as a mother of you know, you know they were they have black ball you. They got here getting wrote about and the stuff that we had learned about. We know it's getting fired by Jimmy I Bean to the to the government.

Great Katings and I Grant Katings told me that he was setting over to Jimmy I Beans at a fucking Halloween party before we got before she got popped or before they started investigating us and the Halloween party of Jimmy I Been mm hmm, mean that they had contact him. I don't think they had a relationship part of that,

but they had contacted him. But think about it. If she could have a relationship with you, because y'all grew up together, something where alone aligne y'all crossing at that point, you were an authority figure at that time. Why would them why would them white folks not have somebody that's a federal agent that they grew up with somewhere, and somehow it's it makes no sense when you think about all three of them got fair cases, and they went three and the fans went oh and three against them.

The fans don't lose k who the fun The fans don't lose cases. They didn't have them. They just had to break them down. Don't spend that money, tournish their name, and tournish other people from dealing with him. Was it all in Southern District of New York? We were in l A l A question And I'm sorry you're not to cutting nobody off, but you know Dr Dre was a really big central piece to Death Row. He was the production. Yeah, how did should let him go? What

happened with that? Well, let's call a female I use another term, but I don't be nice today. But so you really think death Row fell apart over a bit that was the That was the camel that broke the straw back when he found out that his partner what sucking his baby mama. I'm not saying that he was a low wood or anything, because he wasn't sure, but that all the things that it went down I heard him to the core. He won't admit it. She don't want to admit it, but I was around. I saw it.

You think it should could do stuff different again, he would have lifted. He didn't want He didn't want Drake on even though he got I mean, the company probably was only worth a hundred and fifty million at the time because the podcast blew up like it like he did Jack, but he didn't want Park. I mean, he didn't want Drake gone. When Drey left, he wasn't for that. It's just Dre was just like I gotta go. Like

Jimmy played on both sides of the fish. Jimmy no, no, Jimmy just was filitated the deal to keep everybody he had. He has to. He has to. You can't let you can't let the vision go or the records go. You have to figure out how to make both people happy. Flocked, Drey was finding people like King. He tried. He tried to go away from Gagster Rap for a while. Yeah, he were doing been there who done that? Yeah, he

tried to go away from Gaster Rap. Drey was twenty one million dollars unrecouped at one time, had a downside from his house and move to a little little spot in wool And Hills. I mean he was still It was a two million dollars he had to move from he had, he had, he had a lot of He had a lot to figure out, and he had to go back to the original formula. He had had expeditions for everybody and the staff. He had to turn all those there. Dre and then went through stuff. Yeah, guess

who came and save me? Emmael Eminel came in saying, I remember that, and Dre told me that before he told me about Eminem and Jimmy brought him. Eminem was like Jimmy. Jimmy said, you know Eminem, Dra told me that. Jimmy d told me Jimmy one of the one of them. Eminem gave Dean and the credit. He's the one that brought and told them about the kid him. Yeah, what I mean, Jimmy is the one who Convincedre to work on it, because I don't think Dre initially wanted to

work on it. That's what he told him. I make him get you some money because he was coming. Four of the bands and you know, the dragon some money. But see what you can do with this artist right here, and he threw the demo to him. Yeah, I think, I think, Um, Jimmy, I've told me this himself, but I think, but I think every last person knows the story to be true, like and I think Drey so Drake. Again,

the conversations I have with certain legends is honest. For some reason, they feel like I just quick or the only two than and like that drama Yeah yeah yeah, um DJ Quicker, the two that hated the atmosphere that was around there for am. But but you gotta but you gotta think orically when the vision and the records, you know what I mean part it is usually the end of a label. Remember when hit Men, when the hit Man fell out with Puff, that was over beat by the Palm fell out with Pe. It was over

Actually was funny. It's being signed the cash Money Records right when Manny Fresh left. It was tough because bird knew exactly what I needed. He Birdman would say, damn, I need to get your record. I need to get you another record. But remember at that one time, he didn't have to go find a record, just like should didn't have to go find a record. You know you gonna turn right to Dre and say, hey, man, what do you guy for? Pope? You got something for pocket.

Here's here's Pot's greatest record of all time at some place right, here's Snoop's greatest record. Same thing with master p right where he would go to be I mean, uh, birdman would go to Manny Fresh Fresh give me something. So when the vision Hutch from the bubb the law Hutch and and Dre, I mean, Dad, they did all the Dre groundwork back in the day. He was a close. But that's but that's the key, and and and and and it takes a lot, you know a lot of people.

Right now, what's wrong with the West Coast music scene is there's no closers closer. It's it's it's niggas as pitching in. It's the only closer is probably must we call them beat makers. Yeah, I'll call them programmers program now because now because now they're on the computer and the programming ideas. But I and I was telling somebody because they was telling me about the whole Dash and Dass making beasts for Dre, and I'm like, look, bro, somebody could put up four walls in the room, right

and they could do a decent job before walls. Dre coming at motherfucker cuz and add crown molding, baseboard, changed the face plates, changed the outlets, texture the walls. So when you see the room, anybody could buy the room. Now that's no introspect to nobody else. It's it's not about that, It's about this is what makes Dre great? Correct, and he finished. That's the one thing I can't think. Warren is a great finisher. Battle Cat finished well, but

Dre is. If if I knew baseball, I would talk about who the great is Mario Marianna Rivera, who was the greatest closer of our time? Right, So Drake could finish everything. So, but the point I was saying is when the vision in the in the records part ways, that's when the true dilemma starts. Correct, you know what I'm saying, That's when the dilemma starts. So, um, we should so I saw that. So you're saying the most misunders to the part was the fact that you felt

people didn't think he had holds. No. Well, you know, it wasn't just that. I was just saying the type of person he was, They only give him credit for being that type of person when he got money and stuff like that, and all I'm just saying at the same attitude and the mindset that I knew the same shig when he had money when he didn't have money, with the same sugar. In my opinion, mm hmm it riggs. Let me you know, I want to go back to marry j Plush was her and should messing around. She

was missing with somebody up the doing well. Danny Boy said that he was messing winner and and um Tupac she was woman. I'm gonna say this, and I'm gonna feel bad about saying this. Why the fund did y'all sign Danny Boy? That was before I got there. But he was a sixteen year old guy that could sing, and they should should. Unfortunately, she should going to use him to do remakes that he used to love from

ods and stuff like that. And so that's why he didn't get the chance that he he deserved because we didn't need him because meaning they dog of all times, but they needed and R B singer and he was trying to get an R and B singer And I respect that. I think when I looked at Sugar, I could tell he he looked at Barry Gordy a lot, and I could tell R and B was a big

thing for death Row at his inception. Even before probably death Row, he still wanted to have a hip hop department in the R and B. I could tell how closely he was always fucking with, Like who asked David Ruffin Jr. Somewhere around this motherfucker who got Casey and Joe? Joe who got you know? He had all the best R and B singers around, He just never got a chance to launch that part of the label. He went back and got Christopher Willes. People don't know that dreaming.

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