Conversations About Squabbles

doing this in the neighborhood? And they're asking a question or posing a thought of like the ancillary negative impact to the neighborhood, you know what I mean, and and and the like the ripple effect thereof so to speak, and and and the to like the question the answered never seemed to align at the at the un section at the same time. It's how it sounds to me

as a listener. So what's the question you think that they're asking that I'm not answering what's the U. I feel like they're trying to ask what are or if if I'm trying to ask, they're they're trying to state to you whether it be l A or whatever. I mean, just like in all just as a blanket. Terms like gang culture and the violence and all that kind of stuff that goes with it in general speak, has negative impacts on the community and the area that damage the

economy there. So, so that particular question I'm gonna answer, yes, it has negative impact, which war doesn't. Okay, So to keep acting like right, to keep acting like you don't understand that human beings fight like right? If me and steel right shout out to steal right, still on deck, my nigger mouse on deck, going to get into this, No citlerships still who appears to be muted for the record,

Yeah he is muted. Okay. So let's say me is still getting a disagreement at Dinny's Me and still right, and we have a big brother little brother squabble, right, we we go to war, right, and here we start fighting. We start throwing each other around here. You get in the way trying to stop the fight. I throw you over there and knock over a table. You break a table, miles getting away. I throw him somewhere. He's he didn't

broke the stove for me. Me Me is still reveling. We're wrestling around, We're fighting, tables everywhere, chairs everywhere, plates broken, glasses, broken everything, and we walk out the Dennis. You know, we're like we we uh, it's enough is enough? We walk out the Dennys. The Dennys is gonna be destroyed, you mean so, yes, when people fight, things are gonna

be destroyed. Well, Like on the broader geographical scale, when you're looking at conflicts of regions, typically, like important questions that are usually asked are what is victory? How do you define victory? And and and what is the pathway to eliminating the conflicts so we can get back to business.

And you see treaties that are drafted successfully in the Pacific rim after wars, or in parts of Europe or the States or whatever, and those areas tend to do well, whereas the places that have perpetual conflict with not a clear definition of victory or no direct pathway to treaty, they seem to be bogged down for decade after decade after decade in in squalor as a result. So like that's I think maybe also part of the dynamic of

the question. But every war is not a try in sixties, right hr and sixties is one of those is Hoover in in sixties is like the Cold War. It's the war that's not really happening. But you could tell it's this tension that has lasted for years and years and years. Maybe guys have came into contact. It's been a little small stuff they did to each other, but they have

never really directed their full energy into classing. Right. But then, so you can have the SISS and the trades, right, which is a war that's permanent, right, that that never changes, it just cools down, right, Um, the Siss and their trades aren't murdering each other every year all year. I mean that they're just not. It's just not it's not the true reality of the situation. Um. And then you could have a war like a hundred and seventeen Street versus Carver Park when I was growing up, which is

a war that kind of went off. You know, it was probably ninety days of violence, you know, shooting, you know, maybe somewhere between ninety days and a hundred and eighty days, you know, not every day, but back and forth, shooting, fighting, you know, the normal posture and everything else. And then you have like you worked off that energy and it it may not be a full out treaty sign like the Pacific rim right, but there's a reality of like, you know what, this isn't worth it. You know, people

have been shot, Thank god nobody died. You know, let's just let bygones be bygones. Yeah, would you say that in general the broader east Side not all the heights like East l A, but like the broader east side East it would be eastern side of the one too. Yeah. It would would be a fair comp to like say Central Africa or Central American countries where there's just constant turnover and there's never really quite the stability where where

you see stuff level out like generation over generation. I mean sure, because um, the same poverty and lack of opportunity exists all the time. If you don't have anything else to People ask me to participate in peace treatise pete all the time. They're like, hey, man, you want to give this peace treating. I'm like, if you want me to our will They're like, why don't you want to? I'm like, well, if I don't have careers that have you know, livable wages to offer people, what am I

telling them to do with their time? Exactly? What am I telling them to do with their time? If you don't have these things. You're gonna put the time into your friends and your community to the best of your ability. This is going to be your room. Um, everybody is not as creative and you know, searching out opportunities. Everybody's not mouse, you know, everybody's not still. Everybody's not glasses that come from where we come from. Um, you know, I got homies rest and sold rest they sold like

their mother and father were both on drugs. You know what I'm saying. Like they didn't know how they was gonna eat. And I know that seems like this general usual story, but that's real. That's not low TV show, you know what I mean. So you're talking about somebody seven, eight, nine years old figured out how to eat dinner by themselves, you know, and and they survived these elements, and then they adopt these rules that help them survive. And then

we look at those rules like it's crazy. You mean, but this has been this person's guideline to survival probably since they was eight years old. So it's no excuse. It's just the reality of some people's circumstances, that's all. Yeah, Well I believe an tell them you have property, you're gonna have um certain conditions. It just breeds crime naturally because when people don't see hope or have opportunities, Like she said he had two friends that mom was on

drugs and daddy's on drugs. How can we expect that kid to come out functional normally he's already at a lost countra so and not on drugs like function and drug addies, I mean, like pushing basket drug addices. Some of my homies did beat those circumstances. You, I mean one or two of them, you know what I'm saying, But like most of them didn't. And that's a tough circumstance to beat. And it just bothers me when we're talking about our people who know, I mean Pete, you know,

because you haven't been around it a little bit. But there is a there is a nuance that even you like, if you're not seeing it every day. It just almost sounds unbelievable. But that's hip hop in general. Hip hop, the language, hip hop, the fashion, it all sounds unbelievable, like you don't believe these places exist. Like I did a show for a guy in Huntedson Beach. He was a kid who wanted the club about twenty two, his parents gave him a club for his twenty first birthday

and he paid me. I know, right, it's white people. Ship gave him a club for his twenty first birthday. Okay, Pete, I see you. Oh wait on that side. Early, I don't want to make it hot. I was like, oh, go on, because he's going on. So it's twenty first birthday, right, And so he booked me for his twenty second birthday at the club. He's a fan of mine as a rapper, following me to this day. He I come performed, you know,

I killed the show's good show. We're talking after winning the v I p offer me drinks now, drenk Oh, you don't drink, your rapper, you don't drink. I'm like all rappers don't drink. Sead like he was talking and he was asking me questions and he was like, yeah, man, you know, he's just crazy to hear these stories. And I don't know how you guys create these stories out of nowhere. And I'm like, Jake, he was like yeah, and I'm like, this is real. He like, people really

live like this. He did not believe people really lived like this. You know what I'm saying, And so I brought him to where I'm from. I took him the Watts. You know, he was like, he trust him enough, and I brought him to Watts. I brought him to a hundred seventeenth. I took him to the Perial Court. He was so astonished that it was a reality. He brought his parents back, like he became obsessed to me to some degree, to where he was troubled that people lived

like this. Remember the only experienced people got into this thing we call hip hop or the hood or the upside down feel me was on the news and they wouldn't broadcast a lot of it, so you don't know it exists. And it's right there, you know what I mean. We're talking about fifteen twenty minutes away, but it's a world away. So it's just a tough out what I'm saying,

and and it's it's hard for the general population. But but like I tell every up and coming hip hop artist, your job is to take people into that lion's cage and where we you know, came from and how we talked there, you know, how we live what's going on, because that's where people don't have access to. They have access to everything else. They can go everywhere else. But you know, like Miles being from b K. Glass being from why still being from the poorest parts of Cleveland.

It's like we lions, you mean, it's like you go to a zoos, like you go to a zoo to see a line. Nine percent of the population has never seen a real lion, let alone in the womb with a lion. So you know lions exist, right, But then I was telling still this ninety nine some population never met a gang member, being not a real one never, so their full experience, the greatest part is dolloy or you know, rocking from cut. So that's our job is to bring people the culture, you know, the life. You know,

it's not just about participating the crime. But even like a group like they I sold that, you know, they literally were still just as influence without being participants in crime. That was just obververs. But trust me, even as an observer, it affects your life. You start to see things differently and you have this view of the world. So it's hard I agree, you right, People ask me like gee, you know, oh man, you know, they want to talk

to me about what's conducive for the community. You know what's not poverty, oppression, those are the things for sure. That's like hip hop is not influencing people. Don't get me wrong. There are some jackasses that are influenced by hip hop to com make crimes. It is always some retarded,

ridiculous people. But if you probably white dude from palace verities who got caught whatever, that that's like Jeffrey Duhmer, I can't speak to people that heard a rap record it and got they first done because they heard a rat record. You're fucking crazy. Yeah, I don't have no words for you in life, you know, if you have that messed up. But the reason I don't overstate that that's the reality, Pete, is because middle class communities haven't

started gangbanging yet. The right communities that are the greatest consumers of hip hop are not gang banging yet. They're not They're not throwing their life away because they have value for their life. Like the ghetto, music ain't influence in the ghetto. The ghetto is influencing the music. That's how I worked. So that's why it's a hard question to answer. Even when I coppeared on the mask scale.

The belief is that the mass scale is like, oh, you know, they have a purpose to fight and they're gonna have an end goal. Maybe Russia and Ukraine don't got no go rush your trip and you Ukraine standing enough for their selves. We would like to believe those countries having end goal. I think the other countries that are back in the Ukraine do not. I don't even think those countries. I think they just squabbling. I think if somebody, if somebody, you fight back. I think Ukraine's

and goals to survivee Ukraine wants. Russia wants Ukraine. I don't think you crane, but Ukraine contracts. Ukraine ain't kick this ship off Russia did. Russia had the ingo. Russia wants Ukraine. Ukraine was just chilling. They were like, all right, well, if you know, if if we're underpooling whatever, like when we gotta squabble, yeah we got scabble niggas brought this morning. They would definitely like you listen, we'll take the oppression, leave us alone. Putin was like, NA, we're not just

oppressing you. We want to mush you too and ask what you're not You're not just gonna mush us. It's not gonna have it like that. That's gonna get the squabble off. If we gotta squabb before you feel me, it's gonna come like that. And they put up a squabble and America wouldn't do that. America wouldn't do that. There was if I was fighting on the South, America

wouldn't do that. That's that's that shows you just the disconnect that American society has to freedom, right, Like if niggas really attacked US, Americans would look to the military first. When Ukraine got attacked, Baker's was like, where's the guns? My boy? They were like, all right, what's up? Like I'm a farmer, what's up? Where's the How were fighting back? You look at those masks. You look at those masks, graves they have them. Them soldiers wasn't not trained soldiers.

They was people who said we're gonna fight for our country. So all this ship took me that American dude, oh this, he took the need for the flag patriotism. If it came down to it, these niggas would not pop. I'm gonna tell you this, Um, I think there's a certain sign of white America that we'll fight and they're getting prepared for that moment right now. I think they say they like. I think I think they say they fight. I think those I think they said they fight, and

they might let let off a couple of shots. But I think the mass majority it's guard blank. They're gonna find a president to blame, and they're gonna tucking hot until it's over. Did you see a belt? Biden said, you know, if if China attack Taiwana, yeah, we would go. We would go suit up for Taiwan and squabble. That's not true. Biens banding paid for by China anyway. He's just saying that ship because there's a vote happening in November. I genuinely I don't know. I think Castle culture in

general has made everybody allergic to the squabble. Gee. You know how you always compare um these foreign difficult these difficulties that these foreign nations have sometimes to gang banging. Would you say that um Russia and Ukraine would be the irvcs the imperial courts in the middle of Inglewood? You mutic yourself, bro, I hear you go ahead, yeah,

go ahead. So would you would you say that the rest of Ukraine conflict is like the comparable gang bangings um scenario would be the Imperial Court and gardens in the middle of Inglewood. H I mean, I would have to thank a lot more of I start really making those comps, you feel me. But on a on a small scale, it's the same type of situation. Gang banging is the same situation on the world scale, don't get me wrong. Like I agree with Pete, United States of

America is a very mickey country. Like it's very manipulative. You would be thinking this is what it's about, but in the back of their mind they got a whole another plan about what's about to happen. One of those countries, you know, China is one of those. It's a few countries that are any any time country with power is going to be that way suppressed too. The actual news

is suppressed. We don't see the actual news. I realized that when I started traveling to Europe, because I used to always exchange my mindset when I really start going around the world, because I would be able to see America from the outside looking me and I would be like, damn, we look like the terrorists. Yeah, yeah, we look like a terrorist country. When you hear about all the US just occupied this place, but they just did this and that that's the stuff that they don't shoot us over here.

But that's like you, y'all, my homies. And I'm telling y'all what happened to me. And then I'm telling y'all the story from my perspective. Y'all, my homies, fear me, y'all, my people. I'm telling you the story I might have not told you. I slapped the nigga first, and now that's why we squabbling, and he want to kill me because I just slapped in in front of his girl. So I'm telling you the story that I want you to know because I want you to have my side,

is my homie. So I don't get a fitting with that style of media, like a lot of people. That's what people do in general, you know. But America is the bully though, gee, because America is the only country that has a base on every city of the globe. Damn there. I think it's only I think that's a

little more convoluted. I agree with you the initial point, but having a base in different countries, it's almost like a lot of those countries asked for, right, So like imagine like, imagine growing up with some ship that we don't know. It's like growing people business, you know what I mean. Like all our parents just tell something like it's just the way it is. But then when we've become fully formed of depths, we're like, that really don't

make no sense. But we don't know that our grandparents asked for these people to be here, and now we're saying, all right, they've been so long, they're not really helping. They're actually hurting us. Why y'all hear you know what I'm saying. So it's just a little different. Yeah, exactly, a lot of those a lot of those nations asked for us to be there now because you know us being there and we know that you know, power is corrupt, All power is corrupt, you know what I mean. So yeah,

you're there for a while to help. Then you realize, well, I can actually make some money for myself off of this. I can actually make some money over this. So yeah, we came into a lot of these countries on good terms. We came to a lot of these countries with good intentions on on good terms, and then somewhere down the line it became corrupt. Someone said, oh, let's lie be for this. Oh, we're already over there. We can make money over this, uh natural fuel, and we can make

money of this natural resource. And now it's like and I don't even know if that's and I don't even know if that's corrupt mouse, you know what I mean. I don't know if if if that is corrupt the other country. Yeah, when you when you use good to benefit self, that's corrupt. If by doing good it just so happened that you are benefited, that's different. But if you're using the reason you came here, you're supposed to do this, but you're like, my funk that I'm here.

Now I'm gonna do this thing over here that only benefits me, that's corrupt. That is the true definition. But that's that's the only way it ever started. It's it's large, but but it's like pasteurizing milk. As you first came up with the concept, right, it was for beer. Like he was like, you know what I'm tired of. If I don't drink this beer instantly, it's gonna go Bad's

gonna make people sick. So what I need to do is I'm I figured out this way to heat it up right, and now it'll last me at least a day, you know what I mean. And this became one of the greatest two days. This became one of the greatest events in man kind. Right, and applied it to milk and everything. And somebody asked, right that that simple idea, right, was perfect because it got things the last a day or two three, you know, people got more value out

of whatever they paid for. Somebody asked, realized, if I alter pasteurize it, if I strip it of all of his nutritious content, it would last a month. Right. But then the conversation also becomes, we can ship it around the world. People around the world can have milk, and we can ship it for one country. The real question is, at that point, with all the nutritious properties pretty much stripping gone, is it milk still? And that point of

cutting any product rugs anything. So it's always on which side of the field you add, if that makes sense, you know, I mean, And that's the same for war. And you know, all these ideas like you're right, Like they asked for America to be there, that they felt America brought value. Maybe they were scared of squabble with something with another country's like, well of America here, they ain't gonna want to squabble with us with America here,

so they used it. So they was using America in the first place in America like, Okay, we've been here for years, is there any value for being here? So I think America does you know, America some ship. It's some bullshit, but it does get a lot worse rep from his past sins as well. She But just from the whole standpoint, America some bullshit can of dog. But I wouldn't want to live anywhere else in the world because but just think about the whole premise of taxation,

dog tax and everything like that. You just just think about that alone, because prior to World War One, to correct me if I'm wrong, Pekas, I know, well first and stuff like this. Yeah, prior to World War One, it wasn't no income taxes dog people. Pete, don't get Pete started, dude, that's the one person we don't want to think. That's the most illegal thing in the world.

Because I'm sitting listen, I'm sitting up here looking and I'm like, I owe a hundred thousand dollars over a hundred thousand that was in Texas, Dog, And I'm looking at it, and you're gonna lease payment playing She's like, man, I would never pay for this. This is those stretch over unless I just pay it off, Dog, this is gonna probably extending my family after. I'm going though. If you if you tax and stuff you die, Yes you are. Your spouse is responsible for the motherfucker your spouse but

not your kids. Your kids not Your kids don't own the money. But if you try to give them anything, they'll they only get the delta. Mm hmm. I mean America is definitely milking over milking the cow. But I'm not I mean, it depends on what you're talking about. Yeah, Like, I'm not gonna lie to you. The initial introduction of taxation makes so much sense. Came into my homies. Let me,

I don't mean to cut you up. Let me do like can to my homies from my game right and I say, hey, man, we should all start paying like attacks like a dude, you know that way. The homies like my my big homie smirf. That's locked up all my big homies and good standings. The guys who want

to do something with their life. We should have a fun to be able to help people do positive things or even the homies that through their life away like no different than the soldier, you know, Like, okay, you in prison, at least you can get You should be able to spread every week. Damn, you can't spread every week. I mean you you were in prison for life because you wanted to hold down the statue and make people realize that they couldn't contend with a hundred seventeen street.

It was gonna come with consequences, and the police captured you. For sure, you should be able to spread every week. For you should have a phone if it's available. You should be able to make your calls. I'm not saying you should be Donald Trump up and there living this luxurious life. I'm saying the simple over necessities, because you're a good standing makes sense. And that's something when I brought that ship up, you would have thought I told these nigga, I'm Finn the DP and put you all

all off and this is just gonna be me. That would have been made you like that other rapper who who unencrypted of itself because nobody else's have to have standard it. Oh yeah, we're gonna start that again. Though it's gamesterism no matter how you slice it. Bro If I own a house, Let's say, and this is facts, Let's say I go to England and I see a brownstone,

I like, they got brownstones out there, right. I go to Limon, I see a brown stone like, I like, I purchased it and airbnb it out out there, and I'm doing well with it. You know, the US expects me to pay taxes on that money that I'm getting from over there. You don't have nothing to do with them over here, but the tax that you would pay over there is deductible from that, so you really wouldn't pay any People just don't know that. I'm just finding that out. Maybe I need a new test X person.

But man, you know, just just looking at it. Because as facts Joe's asked, they put fact Joe was asking behind his taxes though he was he was wilding. A lot of the artists be wilent or they'd be wilding

on two different sets. So either you're wilding and you're just living life and you're not paying taxes, or you're wilding because you're just trusting somebody else because you're paying them, you're trusting them to take care of your money as if they don't have a vested interest in this ship too,

you know what I mean. So either way, you're wiling right like you did like fat Joe uh job rule Wesley Snipe, like these are the guys were paying their accountant to do this and the accounting just wasn't doing it. But at no point did you ever think to look and say, y'all wonder what's going on? But you know what, it's alecto vegnesia mouse. I think sometimes as as human beings, we canpartmentalize certain things that we don't want to deal

with it, and we officially forgid about it. Yeah, I think you know what it's similar to, like you know how like like you could say, especially in the acting line of work, where you have a lot of deductible stuff, you've got representation, you've got all kinds of expenses and

whatever else you can write off a lot. You get people who I think, well, accountant shop for the best news the same way like if somebody has like a back injury, they'll go to five doctors and the doctor that tells them the rosiest news is the doctor that they go to. You might not be the best doctor and you might not get the best accountant. You just get the one that provides you what you like to

hear about. And that's how you wind it with a hundred thousand dollar text that because the woman I have been using for years, I just wore up it down because she was telling Mr Steele, We're gonna do this, and I was like, yeah, we go stick it to the system. But then I get this letter in the mail one day, this do all these little things on there? You didn't report this? And I got Loki scire though, because the way they knocked on my door. It it's

not like they sent me a certified letter. Motherfucker knocked on my door and I said, hey, how you doing. Man? Here, you go sign this right here. And I'm like, well what is this? It was like I got bumbros kind of and it's they made me sign for this man. So it's like it is these motherfucker's coming snatch me

up one day if I don't pay that bill. Just squabbling. No, I'm not sa nobody, bro, I'm thinking their famis no, just just turn into the tax Jeffrey Dahmer or something like that, or the other guy who had all those bodies in the backyard. Anytime a tax Scott comes in, they just disappear. Can ask you a question though, And for those out there they can't see this, this is hilarious. Peter. You gotta girl just walking around the background like it

ain't nothing to do. You can that's not happening. That's that, that's all in your mind. I gotta tell me that there's a shadow that keeps going by. That's so swart because it looks like she in the baby list or something. He said. Fans shadow keeps going on this every time she walked by, said Peter Floss on this before. No, I just think that I think out of micro level. On the macro level, it's the same thing. The squaw was the same thing. I mean, it just don't feel

like it all the time. But you know what diff guard what these people fight for. But it's it's easy to understand what these people fight not to cut you off. I think is human nature to have conflict. Though. I think even if the world was perfect, if everything was perfect, Let's say we just lived in this utopia where everything was perfect gen to where it was almost overly perfect. Everybody, even the unemployed, was getting ten thousand dollars a month.

It would be almost two perfect dudes. Somebody would still find a way to have conflict about something, especially us. We will still find a way to be upset. Yeah, human beings. Well, I mean, I just I just think, I just think. Listen before we start getting into the whole root of conflict. You know, the same ship happens in the jungle of times. It's just on. Well, that's what I'm saying. Sometimes you have conflicts. G I love you, man, I love you my brother as far as I'm for you.

We have arguments all the time, all the time. I literally did all the time. And that's what I'm saying. So I just want to say same thing. Yes, uh, local is my brother and we for two different sides or two different sides of the country. But that's my dog, that's my brother. But we argue every time. There's never been a time and we're not arguing. But that But that's because but I'm gonna tell you my glasses. You know what it is, man lowest common denominator, the locust

common denominator. But you know what that's because most people, most people say what they say and don't say it to the person they said to somebody else, Glass is gonna call you. So like me and Mouse had a conversation about little NASAs, right, and it was a conversation. Right. Mouse is tied into his campaign, so not like that, not like like you know his people, you know, I mean it's campaign, he's campaign manager. I treat everything like

it's an election. Everybody voted them. So he's tied into somebody. He's tied into his campaign. You know people in campaign. Right, So somebody called me that for one of my punished with Georgia and he was like, yeah, man gie, while you on his head like that, and he's like blah blah blah, and he was just going off and I was like, what do you mean. He was like, he

just swore it was because like he was gay. And I'm like, bro, that's just like like if you talk to them, you know, that's way too unintelligent for me to care if you gay. I'm not even giving you. No. I don't buy marketing strategies, yes, like you genuinely have to really have good products like the market like a lot of is a perfect example. This is a fantastic talent, one of the best. She actually has the opportunity to

be the greatest female MC ever. Right, but I understand why they decided to sell sex as the marketing strategy to get her in the door. Yeah, what he said, what he said is in blastments. He said he has the opportunity and talent to be calm. Now if she becomes that what's the girl's name, I'm not the student, you guys, l t Still she tough. This is tough. I got I gotta get up on it. When she came into business, right, she was squabbly with trying to

sell the streets, you know what I mean. She was trying to sell the streets, and she she had records Queen of the South and all this stuff. But again them signed type of squad was trying to get into business with different market strategies make it tough. So she made changes to herself and started selling you know, sex, that's the easiest thing. Now, that don't mean all the records is about sex. It just means that is that the female rapper cheat code like what we were talking

about in the last episode. Yes, oh, cheat code, though I don't know if the cheat code the same way we talked about. We just got note talking about drill. We just got talking about, you know, look at low low. Not to cut you off. She's from Columbus. I don't know whis she has the potential to be the one. Oh dog. She is tough. I knew y'all talking about I saw her on the show a long time ago, Dog Show. Yeah, yeah, she was tough. She was tough. She was brad to be what she is. But go ahead,

go ahead. So when I don't know if it's a cheeco, I think it's a little lazy. When if we say, like selling sexual or whatever cases, a woman talking about her sexual liberation or sexual agency is a cheat code because we talk about our sexual agency all day and raption will not me. I don't wrap, but but it doesn't make anybody any money. That that's not true. How many whose I got in different areas, But I unders understand understand selling song. It's different thought that like you're

not gonna name me. No, we don't only consume. If we only consume, shoot him up, kill them wraps, it would be there'd be no marketplace. Well, but when you want somebody to dance, so that way you get what I would say that like stunning a bunch of money and jewelry and wealthy like that. It's more than aren't right, That's what I'm saying, So I don't But I don't

think it's our cheek car. I think you're talking about like you're talking about a specific life, either one that you lived as a drug dealer, one that you aspired to live as a wrapper. That's I don't think that a cheat code. I think that who can talk about not not not not so much the conversation because I don't think a lot of most A lot of songs is about fucking. I think what we're saying is one on that debut album about yeah yeah, but the body bout that. I don't think nobody a lot of a

lot of it. I imagine a lot of to not be like an amateur in bed, with all due respect to the little sister, like she would not be the person you know what I mean? I would if that was very softly and tasteful, that might have been the best way. That might have been the best. Yeah, you like a lot of because I don't think you would have. You wouldn't have had that much care in articulation about anybody else. No, I'm just no, because this is honest,

Like I'm just being honest. So even when I'm blood is still in that same space, like if like a lot of would not be if I was like, man, I want to get with a girl that it's gonna suck the dog ship out of me in bed and she's an entertainment, A lot of would not be the person I would think of. A lot of does not scream like you know, I'm gonna put it on you

and it's gonna be over for you. You You know, if I had to think of a person like that in the business Rihanna, that Rihanna looked like she will suck your lights out. I mean she looked like she ain't sucking around. You know. It's just so. But I know

what Pete saying. It's like the cheat code, right, the cheat code for us as well, not rapping about you know, not rapping about like like whole you know, rapping about having success as a deep boy blah blah blah or where you want to be successful over selling it like so it looks the part lyric. Yes, so same with sex not women, Like I love wh whapp Is. Probably this is gonna sound crazy, but I tell people whopp is in my top five greatest hip hop female songs.

It's very germinely so too. Deliberation is fired. Whatever you you know they talk is different. But when you start over selling it, how you see it? Like it's people like, I know this girl's like little Chloe baby. I'm like you you like it ain't there yet, just your face keeping you know what I mean? Like, it's just she's embracing that. I think a lot of this ship is based on your point of entry, right like Chloe and

Halley's entry point was Beyonce's babies. So if it's not going to be like a thirty plus year maturation of embracing your sexual sexuality like what it was with Beyonce, then they're gonna fight back against it, you know what I mean. I love to see Chloe doing that. I look at it like a little baby, but I love to see that she's created a space but herself where

hey listen to that. I'm gonna be I'm being I'm be shaking my ass and being a throng and tomorrow I'm gonna be singing with the greatest technicality and uh a goddamn uh overcoat and turtle that you know what I mean like we just gotta make trying to trying to put trying to put limitations on when and where somebody can with winning, where a black woman, no matter the age, can embrace their sexuality. I think we're always gonna find ourselves in the same argument time. I don't

think it. I don't think it's about and I think it costs you. I think that's it. And that's why I call it cheating, right, It's it's cheating because literally it's a cheap way to get attention, right, but I think it costs you on the long run. And I do agree with Pete there, like it's the easy way, right, but the long way is more of a paved way. Does that make sense? Like it's like it's there permanently,

like sex is cheap. She it's that deep girl. I just think that people do with their predecessors with I think people look at people like let's take let's take Nicki Minajs for example, Dope MC. But she even had to go get the butt done and do all but she had to do didn't have to It's just easy. I think it definitely made it easier for her to do what she's doing. Bro. That's all, yeah, that's all we're saying. I mean she didn't. I mean she could have done it anither way. It said. It's it's paying

for the fast track pass to not sitting traffic. She's think it is like soon as you do it. It's like I was watching. Um. I've been talking about her too. This is funny. But little orphan any um, I think as little orphan any mouse, you know what I'm talking about, munching ice spice, ice spice. Yeah, as a little orphan any um. But she was performing right, she was getting off right, she was rapping, and you can tell she

was timmy. You could tell it was she was still new to it, as fresh to it, you know what I'm saying. And she turned around and start twerking, like throwing that thing around. The whole crowd lost it. So I agree it is cheat and it is cheap. It is cheap, right, but it worked. That's like us like right as a rapper, like the easiest thing for a male rapper that comes from our community to do, if you want people to really give you a shot, right,

the go to his wealth. A lot of people would say violence, It's not if you able to posture on your Instagram with with racks of money, you know, with Ferraris and Batley's. If you if you're able to posture with Roleggus, big chains and all that, you immediately gonna gain our attention because the basis of our situation is poor. You know, we just poor. So we're looking for somebody to lead us into success. That's that's just the natural thing. It funk rap. You could just be in the hood

for me. If somebody gets some money, like, look, I wanna, I wanna, I want to help you, You're gonna follow that person because you want to feed your kids and be down to I'm sorry, I think it's the same dichotomy man, sort of that creates a Takashi six nine though though na no say that, and that's really what I'm gonna push back. I mean, I was agreeing with what what Glass said. Um, it's always the wealth or

the sparation of wealth that gets him. Never if you look, if you look at it for fifty cent two d M or from DMX toft cent to Takashi six nine and whoever else was in the middle, maybe a Rick Roys, not maybe not. I don't know. I don't know who the most like gangster guy from the South was I apologize, um, but like if you look at the entire you know, Birth against the Rap on the West Coast, every time it happens, it's like it just happened. So that's so

like violence scares people. So when the violent guy breaks through, you're like, oh, well, it's the gorilla off the cage, now, the lion off the cage that Glances spoke about earlier exactly, but it's painted like right, shout out because it's painted like he's just this vineer gangster. But that's not why America really got behind him or Tupac. When Tupac came

over prison. Really we were related to them being the victims well, and we were like fifty we I think yes, with Tupac, I think with fifty it was the villain becoming the book. It was the it was the victim becoming the villain that we liked about fifty cents, what he rolls above it and and and dealt with his challenges or who we thought was people ain't you know, pring shot got fifty shot. That's just the natural. But the reality is I heard that's not even close to

the truth. But it's irrelevant. What's it? But that's the that's the story that out here. Not Pring got shot. Okay, but I'm sure him rolling up to who we looked at as his bully, as this larger lite statue out of out of shod Queen's Philly is a big deal. Like we saw David versus Goliae. It just felt like we just looked at the toughest. No, we was looking at him like then he's standing up to the guys. Tulpact is standing up. You know. He painted his bullies

as you know, him getting shot. So he made bigg and Puff. Even though he would say in clear words bigger and Puff had nothing to do with me getting shot, people still didn't hear that he said in the vibe of he said, if I thought bigger shot he said, when he said Biggie and Puff got me shot, they said me not not the one he's in jail. I'm talk about the one, the one of the last ones I sent it to you. He has made over and over multiple times that them nigga, isn't that have nothing

to do with me getting shot? He said it, But people that they did minutes that the interesting this, But I think what it is on a different level. No, we find ourselves rooting for underdogs. So if you could paint yourself as the underdog, right where when Pot came home, he painted himself as the underdog. He gave you like before he had bigging and puff, remember it was uh Maxine Waters and see the Lord's Tucker. Like he knew how to make when he told his story, like he

always gave you. You know, he always gave you, uh somebody that was against him, the world on this album before you know, down before he passed away, and the world he always made. He knew how to make. He could always tell the story of triumph. I mean like he was being in a situation in that squad, in that conflict and then that you gotta remember with Tupac, it's almost like his his life is like a movie.

You see the story of his legend being created. You know, he was in Atlanta, he shut off through the police officer in the ask that was working with another brother. That's when it kind of started to me for me, you know, seeing him just do the things. Tupac would do, things that Black America kind of cheer for, Like, Okay, he was shut off through the police officer in the ass. He's done this. He's spitting the cameras and ship. He was just such a polarizing figure, doog that you couldn't

help but get he couldn't help garner attention. But that's what I'm saying. But the same thing. That's act of his time for sure. But no, no, his time, I don't know, but yeah, he was. He was great. Look, I don't know. I'm saying that, Nigga is that Nick. Ain't nobody else been able to? Does that? Stopped being Alonzo when camera's called cuts? Never stopped being Bishop. He stayed in character. I'm gonna tell you. I don't know. I'm gonna tell you something. Mons is a right gene.

Me and Big Psych were But like me and you are sure he told me man, he told me that one that he said Pop got stuck in the Bishop character. But I think he also dealt with things that made him be stuck there. Well did you see that the interview video I sent you about him? Yeah? That was crazy.

And you know what's funny. I feel so bad for the Huge brother man because people tell that story and you see, like people who call himself pop fanatics cheering it on like, Bro, it's not like that was another situation where he got packed out by popping forty crips, you know, rolling forty crips like this is this is kind of that was messed up. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. He jumped on that director with all of them rolling forty cripts. That was crazy. But that's what

Psyke told me. Me and Big Psych was on the whole plane ride going by. We was on the plane for eighteen hours together, Bro, and he talked to me and told me stuff about I wish to this day I would have had a zoom with something man to record that conversation because it was just so in debt Man pop literally lexst on every gangster he's ever made, he least on the Bob right, and if he could have claimed forty crypt and Bob to put him on forty to be the dealer. Um, I think Tupac was

always looking for a family. Though I'm being real with you, I believe you. I'm not I'm laughing because gang gang banging is super enticingve. Yeah, because if he could have if a b I told him, I'm putting you on quoting you on forty crip. He had been excited, like, yeah, let's go do it, and he would have rolled for him. When he got around Big Site, he started claiming i VC. When he got around the other cats, he started claiming.

He started claiming this. Then when he got the death row, it was just natural he would have got mob tattooed on him. Tupac has been a crip, he's been a blood. He's probably been I'm I'm pretty sure if we found the right Mexican we can find out he don't claim that states. I'm telling you, dog, Tupac was the gee. That's why people get mad. Nobody ever wants Clark Kemp to have a pimple dog. What is happening right now? Truth? Truth, It's the truth, though that nigga don't claim every game

in the l A could. When he was Bob, he wanted to be a forty crib when he was with when he was with Psych, he was from IBC when he was from this though. I'm just being real, bro, I love Tupac. That don't make me stop loving him. But he was a guy that wanted to be a

part of it. He was caught up in the lure of gang banging dog Gee, I'm gonna tell you gee, game banger No, I said, I don't think it's unfair about and I know I'm gonna get a bunch of back last y'all stay because I block motherfucker's that can we blur my face out because I don't want to be located in the same cube as that. Let me get this. I'm owned every Tupac over there. I owned every physical Tupac album. I love Tupac, but it's the truth.

But what happened with Tupac is no different than what happens to every other guy that gets around game bang. How many times have you seen people that don't have them to do a game banging? They get around it. They're in the cars, they see the girls, they see the lower riders and stuff like that. Then they want to be a part of it. They want to be a part of the danger. Bro, I'm not in this. You're not lying. I'm not. I'm just not. That's that

the first. That's the first conversation that we ever had the glasses because because because I made an art piece that tells the cultural morality of games. The truth. Now, I'm not a second everything, but I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, if I go put prayer hands under like a Tupop Pitcher, not you made fun you don't like to like every time. So I'm not gonna say

shit about that. Not not people got the people like Glass quiet man, because if I give my opinion on that, well, I don't know Tupats, so I can't really kind of talk about I would tell you a truth story. Still is that day age group, so he knows I would tell you this, bro. I forget the name of the club that used to be by L a X. It was a club right outside of L a X. Everybody

used to come in there, Yeah, the Century Club. When with When with Goodie my first star Pop And it was there when Biggie I met every rapper in the universe almost in that club, dog messing with Bodkat right, that was his hangout spot. I saw a dude approach Tupac at Crazy like you did in that movie, because Boomley would wounded. Whomp and Pop was just kind of looking at him, not like he had furious size, but almost at all, like he was intrigued, Like I'm actually

being attacked accosted by a gang banger right now. You have to remember Park was an expert actor dog, and I think he took that road dog and he rolled with a dog until it was just the King too lately put his hands on the wrong motherfucker and he was out of here. I'm I'm getting it's crazy. I will never ever be able to even fully embraced the thought of Tupac because everything around him is in such chaos and turmoil, like no one's ever been able to

be honest about Tupac. Right, we called and me neither. But we call civilians. We call civilians tax pain civilians. We have the nerve to call them snitches for doing what the fun they're supposed but nobody ever, but everybody gets mad when I called Tupac rat free tax on. When me and tax started saying Tupac was rat, we was bad guys, Biggie and puff him. He didn't do that, sure,

we know that. But what is it called when somebody who says they're a gangster you did like the guy from Boston, say like Whitey Bulge, or he just threw it un investigation on another guy. Still that's still snitching. That's not glasses, no, because they're not gonna get in cars, right, they didn't do that. No, no, no no, no, no no. I would go to mention Tupac is. If we start looking at the beginnings of New York City's Hip hop Police, I think it begins with Tupac blaming Puff and Biggie

for him being shot. Tupac got cubed because he was on some fake game banging ship. Oh man, he was on the real game severe episode. I don't think me and you understand the repercussions he was because Hey, I've been in the hotel with him, bro, I would attack with his ass as soon as that running attack with his ass, like you don't get involved in this. Tupac understood the repersention, He understood the repercussions for that squad. We just chose to do what he's gonna do anyway sometimes,

and that's respectable. I can respect that part, right, even if you fake, I can respect that part. Right. It's the part that says, what about the other ship, everything that we everything that you would dan emasculating, disrespectful, snitching, everything that we would say other people doing it would be all these other terrible things. Tupac did it, got away with it. Didn't snitch on my body. That's not

what What is it called? If you say, hey, those people over there did this to me, what is it? Didn't say that I have We could all pull up the Vibe magazine interview. We cause I remember a Vibe interview. He said, if I had something to do with me getting shot, this is snitching. That's not snitching. Low he said, he they didn't. You're talking about the last one that nobody else knows about. I've told me when I saw I'm talking about the one where he was in jail

and said them, nigger shot me. We have multiple I need to see that. Multiple need to see what Tupacs said. That was even put into the movie they did. Thank you. We have multiple records of him saying, yeah, y'all shot me. I'm coming back with y'all. I can't believe you, but y'all is somebody. It doesn't matter who it is. He said, he's a gangster. He is a at the time, like, I don't know what game he was. He was a gang member. I was not a gangster. He was. He

was he was, he was a gangster. He was And he kept saying he cannot I'm not disagreeing man. He was throwing up to let him recognize long beats, the rose crams. I'm not saying. I'm not saying this is your glasses low is becoming No, no, no, no oh no. I'm just keeping it the bean. I'm not gonna lie even when I made. Whatever I do, I'm just gon keep it real. But no, I'm saying one he didn't. I've never seen him say bigg In Puff shot me, Ye, pull it up. I'm pull it up. I think that

really is on video. But I was insinuated, and everybody assumed that. I think that was part of his market strategy. When he came home, not only did Tupac claim Biggie was behind the shooting, but he argued that Biggie style was a rip off of his own. That's the thing that he said. He also said, he said, both, where is the show me shot? Ever? Show me? Yeah, okay, listen, I feel like I'm gonna show me what, show me what? Puff show me what Biggie and Puff show me what

Pox said bigg and Puff had me shot. I'm not believe that you gotta show me that. I never heard that. And I remember that beef how started all the way to the why did they have beef again? What do you mean? I'm telling you Pop understood when he went to jail. When he went to prison, he started reading books. He started understanding how valuable and how special war was. So he created villains. He created people that he can

rise up against and have people. Michael Jordan and last day who Tupac now, Michael Jord he's just making up stuff too, Yes, yes, bigging and Puff. He knew bigg and Puffy had him to do with him getting shot. He even said it disagreeable. Why did he say it? When you say things? I never said that. He just said things and group people together. He always knew who was responsible for him and for him getting shot for holding hold up, hold up. First off, mouse, me and

you know why he can't say nobody shot him. Now we know why him Now me and you know why. No, he can't say nobody yo shot him. So first off, for sure, he didn't say Biggie Puff shot him because Tupac got shot because he owed the nigga money. We all know that. Right here goes uh Tupac. Tupac claims that uh Puffy and Biggie and Jimmy Henchman looked guilty and surprise and show. Even though Puffy said they showed him nothing but love and concerned, Tupac believed that this

was not a random attack. He said, it was like they were mad at me. That is not insinuating that they shot him. Alright, alright, that's not and that's just me pulling up article. There's full interviews with this nig is sitting on camera. Yeah, Biggie and Puffy they shot me. They did. He never said that, you like and it did all that and then got on and then did all that and did that on record. You a gangster, you a whole whatever. He said they shot him on record,

he said, I took five shots. I took it a smile. Five shots couldn't drop me. I took it a smile. Not I'm about the second. And now I'm about to set the record straight. Like he never said Biggie and Puff shot him. Ever, Pup didn't shoot him. We all know who shot pop. One thing. We know that Biggie did not shoot him. We know that we all did say Biggie and shot me. And if the he said had me shot, which is still he never said they had me under the law under consumes never said they

had me shot murder. He did not say no. He didn't say that. He did not say they had me shot. They asked us a question. This maybe a little bit more clear. Did he say anything that resulted in the investigation of those two men. Yes, and that is where the hip hop police started. No, no, no, last I'm so disappointed to you right now though never he never in life said that. That's y'all. Y'all can't pick you

didn't answer this questions not about me. I'm gonna keep it a being straight row like with the fact I'm not keeping the being to all this ship was saying, don't you never tell me one time where said how do we know who shot him? Name? See, how do we know who shot up? Got his stuff? And everybody know Park shot itself the things. Park didn't shoot itself dog. But the niggat that came in then robbed and was

removing them shoes because he owed the motherfucking money. Ain't that's point but that that don't have nothing to do. They where the Biggie and Puff Daddy Sean camp where the Sean Corey Combes and Christopher Wallace where did their name get attached to tupac Amori, scors shooting? How did those names all come together? Because puff so one thing that you're not being honest with. It's punch strategically released. Who shot crime? He didn't commit. That's what happens. Listen,

was just being clever with the marketing. No mouse, No, everybody is taking advantage of the marketing. Who shot you came out after the fact. He was already shot. The song was coming out no matter what that they do not pull it back. They didn't even that was the Nati. There wasn't they can pulling records back. You definitely, How does thing move me? You know there was a lot harder. They took advantage of the opportunity and you know it,

and that's fine. I liquid death is fire. Shout out the liquid them goa with that fire is how you know? You do f You know what? Shot? That sounds just like a promo now because that's the that's the water they got in the studio over fed. That water is gonna get me pulled over, leaving any bar any word America, drinking a tall can just to not even be bothered. I don't drink it. I'm not I'm not. All I'm saying.

All I'm saying is you know what fun what I'm saying. Man, this ship over with good looking out for tuning into the No Seillers podcast. Please do us a favorite, subscribe, rate, comment, and share. This episode was recorded right here on the West coast of the USA and produced by my homeboy A King for the Black Effect Podcast Network and I Heart Radio. Yeah.